Just add VoLTE yourself. OnePlus 5 gang.
#general
ashen cliff
magic river
CHAdeMO is the Japanese standard, basically
CCS is Europe and US, and then Tesla is doing their own thing
ashen cliff
_Well... It is MediaTek... Just modify the IMEI. _
magic river
Can't modify the IMEI if I can't unlock the phone
vernal moth
CCS is legally required in the EU thankfully
magic river
Can't unlock the phone since it's Xiaomi and you have to have phone service on the phone for a week before you can unlock it
Can't activate my SIM in it to start the unlock waiting period
Otherwise yeah, that would be a good idea, just modify the IMEI so it pretends to be the piece of crap Galaxy A12 my grandma is stuck with now
vernal moth
Lmao
magic river
And patch in the AT&T VoLTE settings if needed
vernal moth
Thank God I only buy phones I can unlock on device
magic river
On that note, I recently found out the Pixel I bought unlocked for my dad is now locked to Verizon too
And no longer allows unlocking the bootloader
Thanks Verizon!
golden gust
tf
vernal moth
Oh yeah never buy a phone from an ISP
ashen cliff
Can't unlock the phone since it's Xiaomi and you have to have phone service on t...
I think you only need ADB enabled to change the IMEI.
magic river
I didn't
When I put his SIM in Verizon locked it
It started life as an unlocked phone, I was testing it with my AT&T sim before I gave it to him
spice sinew
Hmm sounds like something they throw in the bottom of TOS
void void
Active development for Minecraft 1.18.1 what?
magic river
Gotta root the Note 9T to change the IMEI
ashen cliff
And you should also be able to unlock the phone using the same tool. At least you used to.
magic river
Can't root it since the bootloader is locked π
spice sinew
Or some kind of stupid "you put our sim in therefore it's locked to our software"
magic river
If you have some tool that might get around this I'm all ears but this is a popular brand of phone and people have tried
Occasionally they find an exploit to unlock one but then an update patches it or the next model does
ashen cliff
I assume they patched that on new models then.
magic river
I found some but they were for the Note 6 and older
magic river
Redmi Note 9T
Oh, my dad's is a Pixel 3 I think
That one is whatever, it's no longer supported by Google and his battery life is like 40% what it used to be so it's probably getting replaced soon
I was looking at getting him a Redmi like I got for my grandma but since I just had to take hers away and replace it with the cheap crap AT&T sent her that option is out
spice sinew
Had that problem with my S10+ had it for 3 years or so recently got the s22 ultra
worn crest
Active development for Minecraft 1.18.1 what?
Not after the merge
magic river
What happened to the bot that changed annoying to type names?
ashen cliff
π
spice sinew
Hmm tempted to play around with papermc for fun
tropic flame
modders are amazing
tl;dr the game still uses the same engine as the other titles from From, which is natively a DX11 engine and should run on Windows 7, so patching it was apparently easy
but since it only provides a DX12 renderer, that's what the Vulkan wrapper is for
spice sinew
Wow am not shocked lol
magic river
...did they mod Elden Ring with VKD3D?
tropic flame
it's a binary patch + VkD3D
magic river
Steam Deck software being used to run games on Windows 7 π
tropic flame
just can't play "online" but that'll be the least of your issues in a basically singleplayer game tbh
spice sinew
I wonder how good mc would run on steam deck
pearl narwhal
I saw basically 60fps at all times without optifine or anything
magic river
Just because it's the same engine base doesn't mean they still have a working D3D11 renderer in there
They may have tuned/added things to it that don't work or make sense in D3D11 or they didn't bother to implement for it
tropic flame
I mean yeah but if the only thing that prevents is from working is the renderer then VkD3D should do the job :p
I wonder where I can find people playing with this thing so I can ask them how good it runs
I actually found this in r/Windows7 btw
surely it wouldn't be possible if it actually used Windows 10-specific API besides DX12
spice sinew
im sure some if most games for the next few years will be likely able to be playable on windows 7
magic river
Some do use Windows 10 APIs though (aside from D3D12), mostly for more efficient locks and such
ashen cliff
Well, if someone implements the Nvidia DX12 Windows 7 dll leak... That might be fun.
Even incudes debug symbols.
tropic flame
I wouldn't call it impossible... I guess
^ people have gone this far to make Python 3.9+ run on Windows 7 (3.8 is the last officially supported version)
I must say I enjoy this 
people making these solutions
unironically
tropic flame
no problem π have fun
tropic flame
thx, for link
just get the zip version of python though, because the installer will refuse to work
ashen cliff
Interesting things happen, when you are the only person with both IPv6 and IPv4 for a dumb torrent...
radiant oriole
What torrent, Iβll make more interesting things happen π
spice sinew
sniffs air anyone else smell a fire
ashen cliff
What torrent, Iβll make more interesting things happen π
Don't worry. It's totally a Linux distro.
neon bramble
ashen cliff
Just ask Asus to do it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgZk0Rqnbsg
rain wagon
Is it possible to show in scoreboard if specific block is destroyed? Is there some plugin for this or placeholder?
rare python
POV: You mute and hide all the channels you don't care about.
unkempt drift
If you just want to count blocks destroyed of a certain type, you can just use scoreboard. @rain wagon
Create an objective with the stat minecraft.mined:minecraft:stone or whatever block type as the criteria
dim prairie
rare python
Me just sitting here with hourly backups.
still sorrel
Oh boy, I just got a second router
Lets see if the port forwading is fucked
yeah its fucked
red panther
Does anyone know why neofetch on Windows 11 is displaying Windows 7 logo instead of 11? I reinstalled neofetch and problem still exists...
still sorrel
if only I could set it up as if the 2 routers were 1 network
tawdry hazel
*Me just sitting here with hourly backups.*
hourly? i make backups every 5 seconds!
rain wagon
If you just want to count blocks destroyed of a certain type, you can just use s...
Okay then
still sorrel
I have routers from 2 different brands but I want to set up a mesh network, is there any custom router software I can install on both to do this
tall basin
hourly? i make backups every 5 seconds!
Let's try every tick shall we?
golden gust
look for bridge mode
still sorrel
There is a router and an access point mode
I set it to the latter just now
Curious what it will do
proud lance
You would make it into an access point
still sorrel
I swear the loading screens on routers
proud lance
and plug it into the first one
still sorrel
No way that it actually represents actual progress
still sorrel
and plug it into the first one
That is what I did now
proud lance
and I think make the SSID the same
still sorrel
Do SSID and password need to match the main router for it to be able to seeminglessly switch
proud lance
yes
all the SSIDs and passwords need to match
idk if it will seamlessly switch tbh
but thats how you would do it if you have multiple wireless APs
oh and different channels, so as you are moving away from one to another it doesn't try the old channel
still sorrel
hm should I press the hide ssid button
void void
@little frost u3u
charred sleet
Anyone here familiar with nfc
im trying to read the data off my school card but my iphone doesn't detect it
still sorrel
@proud lance thx its all working as intended now <3
proud lance
hm should I press the hide ssid button
no its pointless
you can still find it
its more of a hassle then anything, if you care about security of your wireless, get a captive portal and RADIUS
jade garnet
im trying to read the data off my school card but my iphone doesn't detect it
Do you know what RFID tech the card is? I.e. Mifare? NFC can really only read HF RFID tags...
little frost
(and it has a 1.17 banner)
waxen panther
https://posili.me/i/2021-08-24_08-45-31.png
based
spare venture
cringe
worn ember
jroy is typing
smoky cloud
limber knotBOT
Not sure if it was already mentioned (it probably was), but https://papermc.io/downloads#Paper-1.18 marks "Active development for Minecraft 1.18.1" even though it should be 1.18.2
charred sleet
Do you know what RFID tech the card is? I.e. Mifare? NFC can really only read HF...
yeh itβs MIFARE - my friend was able to read it with his android so i just assumed it would be nfc
void void
Not sure if it was already mentioned (it probably was), but https://papermc.io/d...
says 1.18.2 for me, try force refreshing
limber knotBOT
Ah seems to have been changed
ancient bolt
can't believe rockstar got D'Angelo and Willie Nelson for original songs for RDR2
charred sleet
read that as R2D2
worn ember
just updated sponge to 8.0.0 in my plugin and everything turned red 
kind agate
just woke up now its time to fuck this elden ring up
twin lagoon
just updated sponge to 8.0.0 in my plugin and everything turned red <:sad:768988...
average sponge moment
worn ember
shouldve just waited a few weeks for 8 to drop 
minor otter
I found a solution buying 15m ethernet cable and a hammer. Hopefully the landlord wonβt get to mad π₯²
ashen cliff
They won't mind.
left swift
just paint it the same color as the wall they'll never notice
charred sleet
yes
frank otter
they'll be happy
on a bus atm and Taylor swift is playing at unnaceptable volumes
I'm not particularly pleased
bronze fox
is running an experimental build that dangerous?
worn crest
parddyyy #announcements
lone ember
congrats on the release
bronze fox
yay
left swift
oh no kenny
warm gulch
π
bronze fox
so #220 is what i should DL?
meager tusk
Bro!
Is MiniMessage balkan approved?
MiniMessage is used in critical KGB Balkan infrastructure bro.
Fact.
@ashen cliff Confirm.
spiral robin
paper 1.18.3 when
ashen cliff
Fact!
left swift
when is general being archived
ripe sphinx
Damn when the @e was sent, I had to click #announcements like 5 times, I think Discord got hugged to death for a few seconds there lol
mental meadow
Just discord things
left swift
mental meadow
left swift
little frost
spiral robin
rare python
remember that this happened lol https://clips.twitch.tv/ComfortableTrappedMilkTheRinger-s3tIeBPuu1tE-AJ_
worn crest
its in the software category list of all time 5th place
left swift
poor kenwald television
rare python
remember that this happened lol https://clips.twitch.tv/ComfortableTrappedMilkTh...
Next time there is a Minecraft update, we should all send this.
worn crest
oh my god it is
kenny archived a goal
vernal moth
Leafs voice counting up is what absolutely killed it for me
ripe sphinx
remember that this happened lol https://clips.twitch.tv/ComfortableTrappedMilkTh...
I don't actually understand what happened there?
rare python
I don't actually understand what happened there?
Kenny did the initial update work and forgot to rebase, causing a mess with the git history in addition to the pain and suffering required to fix it.
foggy silo
Spotted leafs voice π»
left swift
I donut Frankfurt kill yogurt
golden gust
how to minecraft update
- git pull
- tell kneny to pound sand
left swift
can you clear reactions so I can add a pokimane emote thanks
fair ravine
Quick question: Does 1.18.2 change nms or am I probably safe to swap out the jars? Mostly because Im at work and I know I will forget later
golden gust
there where many internal changes
left swift
sleeping
fair ravine
I mean true tomorrow is saturday
rare python
there where many internal changes
Really? I had no issues updating my NMS, I just incremented the minecraft version and everything worked.
golden gust
depends on what you're accessing, ofc
Like, it's a huge codebase
in any case 99% of code remains the same
then theres stuff like the mappings
rare python
Chunks as well as using reflection with blocks and player connections.
Who says block blast resistances are hard coded? Nothing a little reflection can't fix.
warm anchor
@mental meadow uwu
mental meadow
uwu
foggy silo
π π
vernal moth
That seems like misconfigured obfuscation aurora
worn ember
tf you laughing about
left swift
packing maggots singing loser
worn ember
this goes over my head but glad you're enjoying yourself lol
ripe sphinx
basically somehow the obfuscation touched some JDK methods (big nono, will break many things)
vernal moth
It's obfuscation people getting what they deserve
worn ember
<a:pokiloser:912570868075495424>
a
magic river
I don't even see a method on Boolean that takes two strings
Did the obfuscator change things to be stringly typed too to make it harder to read?
left swift
llllillllilllillllillill
golden gust
I mean
but that's a typical getMethod thing
so actually
something screams that something else changed and they where using getMethod on that
worn ember
nomana you're full of shit
unkempt drift
pokimane is dum
left swift
worn ember
susu baka omgur cope ratio and all that stuff
magic river
left swift
is that what ur stream content is amouranth
ripe sphinx
what is the ping?
why not just read the message, and you'd find out
vernal moth
That would be too easy, sorry, we can't have that
hallow light
why not just read the message, and you'd find out
... I wouldn't be asking if I could read it. And why I couldn't read it, is because the channel doesn't even load.
vernal moth
Just discord things
hallow light
Yes, I know. They were just a bit too quick to answer like that, to my taste at least. π€·
golden gust
hm
I keep debating on being good or ordering food
and, like, i've kinda wanted to order food all week, and, so, am ordering food
smoky cloud
Now Iβm going to order food and blame Cat
βSomeone on the internet made me want to!β
potent panther
MiniMessage is just fancy tellraw
hallow light
I keep debating on being good or ordering food
Ah, I know that struggle. π Today I just went lazy and ordered food. I get free pizza from a pizza place near me, as an acquaintance of mine has a gentlemens deal with them. (Lots of free pizza for plowing the snow and gritting their parking lot there with a loader.)
Oof, I think I forgot the ping on. sorry cat! π
hallow light
yeeeeeah π
smoky cloud
Pizza time
hallow light
And you can imagine those free pizzas last for long, IIRC it's two or three pizzas for one snowplowing+grit π
magic river
MiniMessage is just fancy tellraw
What does that make legacy formatting?
hallow light
And you definitely need to do that often during a good winter in finland π
left swift
sus
hallow light
I think there's actually at least a years worth of pizzas there on the log π
And one free pizza is basically anything we want. All the extra dressings etc. are included on it. π
void void
What does that make legacy formatting?
Ugly tellraw
potent panther
ok i accept minimessage superiority
magic river
MiniMessage is just strictly superior to legacy formatting
tropic flame
Ugly tellraw
writing JSON in chat is ugly, at least legacy formatting looks simple
magic river
It supports more things and it's easier to read
void void
writing JSON in chat is ugly, at least legacy formatting looks simple
But the colors are based on arbitrary numbers
potent panther
yes
little frost
no
tropic flame
But the colors are based on arbitrary numbers
{"text":"So what?\n","color":"yellow","text":"Trying to make sense of so many {} and double quotes gives me a headache","color":"orange"}
I don't even know if this works
but give me the arbitrary numbers any day over JSON
potent panther
i accept minimessage superiority
void void
MiniMessage is the best solution for user facing stuff
rare python
rare python
<:kekwhyper:674093681904713729>
just stealing this for another server
indigo canopy
@ripe sphinx seems like I didn't lose any data
spawn chunk photo
left swift
purpur not using purpur
unkempt drift
writing JSON in chat is ugly, at least legacy formatting looks simple
Legacy format = simple. No
wtf is &c
ik what <red> is
left swift
light red
magic river
plucky sparrow
writing JSON in chat is ugly, at least legacy formatting looks simple
completely agree
plucky sparrow
the woman did really say "I don't want to believe it"
magic river
Woman is like "we're so going to fall out of a window"
lament patio
writing JSON in chat is ugly, at least legacy formatting looks simple
Love me some rainbows like &l&x&9&4&0&0&D&3r&x&f&f&a&5&0&0&xi&x&f&f&f&f&0&0n&x&0&0&8&0&0&0&b&x0&0&0&0&f&fo&x&4&b&0&0&8&2w
lament patio
Yeah, MM is nice
ashen cliff
https://twitter.com/peterliakhov/status/1499341576518217730
Not sure, if it's the same person but:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/784438701643005964/948461210217644042/stonks.mp4
vagrant marlin
nyet
magic river
China already bought it
spare venture
why tf wells fargo asking me to fax them a pay stub for a credit card application
i would understand if it were one of those $1000/yr annual fee cards, but this is one of their no fee cash back cards lmfao
left swift
wells Fargo shit company sketch practices
spare venture
yeah iβm withdrawing the application, i donβt have a fax machine
youβd think the spam mail they sent that i was βpre approvedβ would avoid this, and having excellent credit. just a sign that future stuff with them will be a pita
civic herald
What does the no table role mean?
spare venture
remove the space
obtuse jasper
Hey guys I'm looking for a new linux distro. I have experience with ubuntu
any suggestions?
wide chasm
Move the space one to the right for the real answer π
spare venture
whatβs wrong with ubuntu
left swift
ubuntu 20
obtuse jasper
I want to try new things ππ³
left swift
fedora
vernal bone
If you want to try new things, QubesOS.
left swift
nothing leaf uses is secure
vernal bone
Well yea, but he doesn't have to know that.
magic river
Oh god it was Mesa that was 3 spaces for indent
wide chasm
That's cursed
magic river
rare python
Anyone who uses an odd number of spaces for indentation should be shot. this is obviously a joke... sort of
wide chasm
This is, like, Balkan levels of cursed
proud lance
Anyone who uses an odd number of spaces for indentation should be shot. *this is...
might be easier to find 3 spaces though
throughout the whole thing
ashen cliff
Already sending in that PR.
proud lance
but yes agreed
rare python
When I started working on Ion which inherited its code from someone elses project, the first thing I did is convert the spaces to tabs.
ancient bolt
the only reasonable indentation style is fibonacci
rare python
Please leave.
proud lance
I think all of Paper should be indented with wingdings
symbols are easier to look at
its like reading a book with pictures
magic river
Generally in compiler code we're lazy, and assume that allocation succeeds because it's just too hard otherwise in C. Just embrace the laziness, and don't strew around asserts like this.
rare python
That is how you cause crashes
rare python
oom
magic river
OOM kills your program, it doesn't fail a malloc call
crystal lilyBOT
downloads page, scroll down, click legacy.
rare python
Unsupported
rare python
minedown?
foggy veldt
Pheonix lib
rare python
?
foggy veldt
magic river
Gross
rare python
That looks like some weird amalgamation of Legacy and MiniMessage
foggy veldt
I like it but I would only use it for my own servers minimessage is probs more widely known at this point
Itβs markdownesque
lavish compass
@warm anchor 
warm anchor
@lavish compass
twin lagoon
@warm anchor @lavish compass 
lavish compass
@twin lagoon 
unkempt drift
can anyone spot a difference?
native wolf
is there supposed to be any difference?
unkempt drift
no
native wolf
then it's good lol
left swift
the green is slightly lighter on the bottom
lilac moon
no its not
native wolf
no its not
yeah, that's just nomana, you can ignore him
foggy veldt
The bottom one contains OLD in white text above the line while the top one contains NEW in white text above the line
lilac moon
litematica thnakfully has updated in time to 1.18.2 for me to update paper
native wolf
i mean, there's no reason to rush this update
i just slapped ViaVersion on and called it a day
it's a minor update after all
still sorrel
in C# can object typed parameters be null?
glass crag
wdym by object typed paramter
clever mantle
1.18.2 update speedrun
https://c.tenor.com/0CXQArozOAEAAAAM/sweaty-speedruner.gif
rare python
You know what the best 1.18.2 update speed run time save would be?
mental meadow
rm -r patches/
golden gust
git pull?
rare python
twin lagoon
@mental meadow 
mental meadow
heewo!!
little frost
uwu!
twin lagoon
uwu
worn ember
TIL this is a thing https://youtu.be/ugqzwi5LQ-w
left swift
wood please
serene bolt
4
clever mantle
You know what the best 1.18.2 update speed run time save would be?
ViaVersions
viscid wedge
Merging viaversion into spigot src brb
clever mantle
Tho I was talking about updating plugins, not only paper
clever mantle
How about gayser and ViaVersions?
twin lagoon
@peak ginkgo do you know more about the server invite banner feature
it's starting to appear on servers but there's also 0 info on where you can set the image
mental meadow
best dejay
foggy silo
oh thats cool
warm anchor
Average discord moment
Not only would your invite background needs to be universal enough to work on all resolution size now the center part of it has to look decent for banner!
little frost
lest you end up with #731716903742996531 message
mental meadow
gonna center on Ries left ear
warm anchor
mental meadow
partial rollout I assume?
peak ginkgo
@glass ether @twin lagoon
peak ginkgo
partial rollout I assume?
No specifics on the rollout data but let me poke someone
worn ember
bruh what the fuck, theres not even a safe area?
well ig the square
but jesus christ
twin lagoon
@cosmic raft have fun
mental meadow
do we wanna replace that jungle?
cosmic raft
probably
peak ginkgo
I don't have any specifics aside from I did some poking around and it's a user experiment not a server experiment
Still trying to find out what % of users it is
No experiment enabled locally:
Yes experiment
mental meadow
Paper has one set and I have no banner there either
peak ginkgo
you're just bad
mental meadow
understandable
little frost
||nice cropp shitlor||
peak ginkgo
(unironically though try reloading while focusing that channel)
mental meadow
I've accepted every software slowly dying
warm anchor
Whoever made this decision should go back to webdev
wraith trail
I looked at this for a while, not sure what the condition is for it to display
peak ginkgo
20% of servers will see the popup
wraith trail
but there is no server experiment
still sorrel
wraith trail
it just shows up for some
mental meadow
intellij also decides to randomly stop with the colors, why bother
worn ember
i kinda liked it more without the banners
feels unneeded since you already have the server icon
wraith trail
unless it's just 20% based on some arbitrary condition, as in not an experiment
vagrant marlin
you are a test subject
spiral robin
intellij also decides to randomly stop with the colors, why bother
ahhh so annoying! D: happens to me randomly too, only recently
i just ctrl + a, ctrl + x, ctrl + p and it works again
worn ember
To me that's usually an indication it's time to restart lol
mental meadow
only started with the latest EAP
worn ember
Mine sometimes breaks after coming out of sleepmode or just randomly when I'm doing some complex stuff with the code inspector
formal surge
@mossy vessel it is your fault, is not it? https://github.com/PaperMC/papermc.io/pull/166
magic river
magic river
Wait so Samsung's "GameOptimizationService" was supposed to throttle games?
And they made it throttle basically everything, except not benchmark apps
true canyon
Hey who wants to see pain
Wonder how many of these 1.8 servers are actually running a fork that's compatible with Java 17 but just stick to Java 8 because "it's better" or something
wraith trail
Paper 1.8 even runs on java 17 now
true canyon
Is that also true for Paper 1.12? That's my other noticeable group (not as big as 1.8)
wraith trail
not sure, you'd have to try it
true canyon
That sounds like a lot of effort! π
wraith trail
the only issue on 1.8 would have been on linux systems as well, and you could also disable native transports in the config to use newer java versions previously
true canyon
That's what I get for listening to 1.8 users for descriptions about their problems!
wraith trail
Oh wait hold on no that is still an issue on 1.8. forgot that wasn't changed when updating log4j
next frost
Luckily we have this stupid check now that prevents people from using newer Java versions π₯΄
left swift
ur ide
magic river
I bet even the people that work on it do so from IntelliJ π
tropic flame
Oh hey that IDE only one person uses had a new release
good
we need variety, not just one solution
magic river
I used to use NetBeans because at least it sucked less than Eclipse but then I discovered IntelliJ
There are multiple solutions: IntelliJ, Eclipse, VSCode, vim, emacs, KDevelop, probably some I'm forgetting
At least 2 of those are clearly better than NetBeans
turbid oar
VSCode is the vibe
tropic flame
Eclipse is slow confusing garbage
eh, fair
plucky sparrow
I do not miss Eclipse
tropic flame
but again I'd rather have a more fragmented dev community where people use various tools instead of everyone just focusing on one
plucky sparrow
IntelliJ is so much superior
tropic flame
it's not much of a problem in java but with kotlin it seems like you either use IntelliJ or you're fucked
and I hate that
it's the same reason why I kinda hate having to write C# - having to depend on Visual Studio
magic river
In general if you don't use some JetBrains IDE or VSCode you're fucked unless all you want is syntax highlighting
Ok, yeah, for Windows development Visual Studio is an option too
tropic flame
eh Eclipse was fine for me, I just stopped using it because of the dinosaur I main
ironically VSCode is lighter and it's an electron app lmfao
even if on the background the language server comes from Eclipse
magic river
What?
tropic flame
what?
tropic flame
if you install the Java language server extension by RedHat, the engine it uses comes from Eclipse
magic river
Oh
tropic flame
unless they changed things ever since I last opened VSCode - which was a few months ago
ok perhaps i chose the wrong words
my bad
the LSP is something else I guess
magic river
LSP = Language Server Protocol, the extension for VSCode from RedHat wires up an LSP from the Eclipse project
magic river
It's not that good, in my experience
But yeah, it's basically the core Java support libraries from Eclipse packaged up as a generic LSP
Turns out most of the suck from Eclipse is the bloated GUI framework and nonsensical UI/UX
The server mainly suffers from being very maven-centric
tropic flame
I think the VSCode extension adds some support for Gradle but I don't know, I'm a maven user anyways :p
magic river
The extension doesn't really do anything, the language server includes buildship, eclipse's gradle support
It... works, I guess
If you don't do anything too crazy
Like, you know, try to make an android app
tropic flame
I'm not expecting to have the tools required to write an Android app in VSCode anyways
magic river
I wonder how good https://theia-ide.org/ is
tropic flame
but yeah I'd actually use NetBeans if I could use whatever Gradle/Maven version I wanted
magic river
I think that's why Eclipse is doing these things, they're building a new IDE
tropic flame
I get forced to use whatever comes bundled with NB for some reason
Theia is based on a state-of-the-art web-based technology stack.
I want to laugh
magic river
It's basically a rewrite of VSCode
tropic flame
Further, it can host VS Code extensions and provides full terminal access.
this is cool tho
magic river
Even supports VSCode extensions
magic river
But github puts vscode in the browser so I don't really get it
theia is supposed to be vscode but more flexible and able to run in the browser so you can do "cloud IDE" stuff
But vscode can already do that?
tropic flame
But vscode can already do that?
yeah
magic river
cough M1
tropic flame
that's indeed faster than my 2GB ram desktop equiped with an AMD Athlon from 2004
interesting though
warm anchor
you wonβt even remember itβs not your local machine
Until your internet goes downβ¦
mossy vessel
https://i.imgur.com/TveyRxg.png oh no, once you need it
golden gust
vscode can
even IJ has their remote thing now, projector
(which is pretty damned nice, ngl)
warm anchor
https://i.imgur.com/TveyRxg.png oh no, once you need it
oh no the most critical site is down. 
void void
Reject Windows, embrace Linux
golden gust
- break away from friends (You probs won't be gaming with them for a while, so, might as well get it over with)
- Grow beard, and moobs
- Install gentoo
magic river
I'll never finish step 3 otherwise done
golden gust
but
golden gust
more bastardised
golden gust
mint is like eating salad at a BBQ
void void
i was told that it's not resource intense and that it's good for newbies like me
i just realized something
if i start installing linux this means my laptop wont be available for like 6 hours or something
frank otter
imo Pop, mint and Ubuntu or derivatives are good for newbies to Linux
worn crest
How old is minecraft 1.8.8 is down was too old for the server haha
frank otter
please don't use manjaro unless you want headaches
frank otter
if i start installing linux this means my laptop wont be available for like 6 ho...
idk how long it takes
I think my personal record for Arch is half an hour
void void
Us linux users must unite!
The Linux Union
btw its nice that mojang were considerate enough to add Minecraft for linux too
void void
https://i.imgur.com/TveyRxg.png oh no, once you need it
@ phoenix616
worn crest
Oh didn't saw that
neon bramble
*cough* M1
I mean, doesn't like any normal IDE allow you to do that?
I know that IntelliJ allows you to run it on some kind of server and then just connect it.
golden gust
I mean, thats only a recent thing in the scope of stuff
neon bramble
I guess vscode allows it too?
golden gust
it's also not as convenient in a sense, you need a machine to ssh into
neon bramble
I mean, thats only a recent thing in the scope of stuff
It's been in beta for a pretty long time afaik
void void
btw does software run smoothly on linux?
golden gust
for vscode, there was an unsupported experimental thingamajig but nothing official
neon bramble
it's also not as convenient in a sense, you need a machine to ssh into
Is that an issue tho?
neon bramble
btw does software run smoothly on linux?
wut?
neon bramble
I mean if it can support linux it will probably run the same way as on Windows
neon bramble
define "smoothly"
void void
be equal in performance in resource usage
neon bramble
It depends on the software
If it has a (good) native port for Linux
it will be pretty much same, sometimes even better
if you need to run something through wine (proton for games), in most cases there will be a little overhead
but it is fine
void void
its time for us to compete with windows
neon bramble
TBH for developers Linux and macos is far better than windows
golden gust
Linux is pretty damnd light in the scope of things, especially as the DEs are often more refined in terms of eyes looking over them
Some alternative apps really fucking suck, however
and then theres wine...
neon bramble
why
For example, getting docker on windows is a pain in the ass, on linux it is just two commands
void void
what is a docker?
golden gust
Wine is nice as a "it exists and works with many things just fine", but it can also be unstable AF and not work when you need it most
neon bramble
yup
golden gust
outside of windows dev, all of the programming tooling these days is available on linux or macOS
neon bramble
I mean, the only thing that's only on windows I actually need is Fusion360 I can run it through wine, but it is buggy
If I would have had an AMD GPU it would've been without an issue
golden gust
docker on mac is as much of a PITA as windows though, but, I mean, I just use VMs for that
void void
do you imagine Linus is a programmer?
golden gust
He runs a big project
magic river
Linus Torvalds made Linux so I hope so...
neon bramble
He runs a big project
Doesn't he also still run Git? Or did he hand it to someone else?
void void
Linus Torvalds made Linux so I hope so...
I was talking about the other Linus
magic river
Someone else
magic river
I think he handed off his scuba thing to someone else too
golden gust
LTTs dude is a tech reviewer
neon bramble
yup
magic river
You can't just say "Linus" when talking about Linux and expect people to think of that one π
golden gust
as much as he's fun to watch he's much clueless about some areas
void void
someone look at kyngs' banner
golden gust
wait
void void
how does big fat lug even walk?
golden gust
how'd you get a pic of my mum?
neon bramble
how does big fat lug even walk?
Well not like it walks much, it usually swims 
void void
that big thing cant swim
magic river
They are surprisingly fast and can walk farther than you might expect. Given their short, stubby legs and exceptional girth, it seems remarkable that hippos have been clocked running on land at 18 miles an hour over short distances and walk an average of six miles per night in search of food.
void void
it should drown immeaditely when it goes into water
magic river
They spend most of their days floating in the water, I think
I don't think you understand how buoyancy works
void void
dude that animal is freaking massive
neon bramble
it is lol
void void
how does it stay afloat
neon bramble
void void
that thing weighs like a ton
neon bramble
I think it weights more
upbeat falconBOT
void void
it should be drowning immediately when it goes into water
neon bramble
yup, about 1.5 - 2 tons
void void
Or cruise ships?
in the beginning things used to be so much more simple. There were just the wooden boats and done
neon bramble
torchun, have you never been to a ZOO?
void void
torchun, have you never been to a ZOO?
no
neon bramble
Well it is obvious
magic river
I feel like I learned this stuff in primary school too
neon bramble
we didn't we didn't connect it to hippos, we did learn about buoyancy
depends on your country I guess
magic river
Although I also had an uncle who was in the Navy that taught me how to float and such in the water so maybe I just got it there
Oh, yeah, not hippos explicitly
btw the trick to let even a really skinny/muscular person float is to not breathe out all the way
void void
btw the trick to let even a really skinny/muscular person float is to not breath...
so to have short breaths?
magic river
Yeah but not just short breaths, you have to start with a big one
He was basically skin and bones but could float effortlessly on his back with his arms behind his head, I still can't do that without getting randomly dunked under the water and I've got plenty of fat to hold me up π
neon bramble
"float effortlessly on his back with his arms behind his head" I am a 95 kg fat piece of shit and even I can do that lol
magic river
Fat makes it easier
void void
peepo is fat
worn ember
No u
magic river
Twitter
Imaging trying to keep up to date on the latest memes and getting a missile dropped on your head because Russia thinks you're a priority target
worn ember
I'll give you internet but don't use it cuz you'll get nuked
void void
Should I install Linux on a separate partition?
frank otter
I mean
you could install it in the Windows partition
like it would hypothetically work
but it would be a very very bad time
make a separate partition as btrfs or ext4
tropic flame
I remember reading that NTFS has Unix support with a special flag
but uh, don't, use an actual filesystem meant for linux
frank otter
strange question: does anyone know a note-taking app which like splits notes into a node-graph-thing to like visualise connection and make revising and note-taking for academia easier
glass crag
strange question: does anyone know a note-taking app which like splits notes int...
Logseq or obsidian
void void
@frank otter my linux install didnt go well
im getting a bunch of errora
should i restart my pc?
dusk marten
what sort of errors?
pastel badger
Please tell me the dupes that are not fixed and they need to be fixed separately.
limber knotBOT
There aren't going to be any unfixed dupes that are publicly known
rare python
If and when Paper is informed about a duplication glitch, they will patch it, don't worry.
pastel badger
There aren't going to be any unfixed dupes that are publicly known
private messages
pastel badger
If and when Paper is informed about a duplication glitch, they will patch it, do...
I need to know this for my project
frank otter
im getting a bunch of errora
what errors
rare python
I am probably going to regret this.
neon bramble
main flicker
Hello all I just came to ask if this course is legit https://mineacademy.org/project-orion
rare python
No
left swift
why is this popping up more now
rare python
Maybe there advertising it more now?
worn ember
i mean its legit, but if its worth the money, probably not
rare python
Why does this take so long?
worn ember
you're better off buying a java book instead and reading docs
main flicker
Maybe there advertising it more now?
nah I am not I didn't have the course in my life just being curious what other people thing about it and so on because there is a lot of hate these days on it
rare python
And I thought paperweight-userdev took forever.
void void
First run always takes a while, especially on windows
left swift
there was some resource dump larry posted about learning java but it isnt pinned so I'm not gonna find it
rare python
First run always takes a while, especially on windows
i use arch btw
void void
oh nvm, thought that was a backslash
left swift
now pin it
worn ember
implying you can work at google if you follow his course haha
left swift
it's called project orion now
pastel lodge
where can i suggest features for paper
void void
rare python
Probably in the Issues on github.
worn ember
/github command wen
void void
Please note: These are not the typical results of Project Orionβ’. These results are used to reflect the potential and your results will vary.
Love the disclaimer
neon bramble
implying you can work at google if you follow his course haha
like that price they charge for it is horrible
like every free java course will probably be better
wide chasm
Is it still six hundred dollars?
twin lagoon
$110 or so
wide chasm
He initially offered the course cheaper and said that if he'd have sold it x amount of times he'd up it to 600
But, I guess he either never reached that threshold or permanently lowered the price.
left swift
https://discord.com/channels/289587909051416579/555469074080202765/9266981388431...
u should pin this stef
wide chasm
But who knows, there are always so many discounts going on, I'm surprised he even knows what the original price is.
Pins are full
void void
That's why it's pinned in dev mana
wide chasm
That NMS page on MineAcademy is gold lmao
Apparently Spigot and Paper don't understand NMS, even if they literally work with that code
void void
lmao
void void
That NMS page on MineAcademy is gold lmao
this is beautiful
left swift
wide chasm
He's also advertising inventories as part of the MS tutorial, but then shows a standard chest gui... which can be done without NMS.
And the price for IntelliJ IDEA Ultimate he's listing is wrong
languid karma
Who needs ultimate for plugin making when ur a beginner??
left swift
I use notepad
wide chasm
There are a couple things in Ultimate that may be useful, but I agree that Community edition is perfectly fine.
languid karma
Yea I feel like ultimate is too over the top when you start out
Like you don't really need all of it's features
obtuse jasper
Hello all I just came to ask if this course is legit https://mineacademy.org/pro...
rubbish, if you use paperweight you don't face this problem!!
SCAM
main flicker
I see thanks
neon bramble
He's also advertising inventories as part of the MS tutorial, but then shows a s...
This is what I absolutely hate, most plugins that use NMS could just use Bukkit api, but don't.
rare python
Bukkit API set block is too slow
neon bramble
rare python
so I thought for fun I could try and change the config messages to use minimessage
Bukkit.getPermissionMessage() exists
void void
That's gonna be some legacy serializer fun
rare python
oh yes
I am slowly beginning to regret this
So currently I have it set to assume minimessage if the config version is >25, otherwise use legacy
Would it be stupid to just edit the config and convert things up to minimessage?
void void
It should be a toggle imo
rare python
Ya, I was thinking of just having a "configuration-uses-legacy-format" which is set to true on pre-existing files, and false on new ones.
I guess I will do that then
worn ember
waiting for gradle wrappers to download π€
rare python
Also the messages are now being stored as adventure text components, which means I get to go around changing the usages a bit.
void void
three
obtuse jasper
is minimessage a thing already? (inside the api)
rare python
Paper includes MiniMessage, but does not use it.
rare python
Paper includes MiniMessage in the Jar as of 1.18.2, but it is not used in the API.
I imagine it probably will be at some point though.
rare python
Because paper is just good.
vernal moth
left swift
including 1.18.1 its 87%
vernal moth
wait till todays update up the graph
left swift
hangar graph
what does the bukkit site use for the plugins and mods?
that's not xenforo too is it
rare python
so I thought for fun I could try and change the config messages to use minimessa...
why did I decide to try and do this
someone go back in time and tell me how bad of an idea this was
vernal moth
what does the bukkit site use for the plugins and mods?
iirc thats fully custom, its curseforge
left swift
I like that system alot better than spigot
left swift
all of linux
left swift
nice one martin (btw martin is minidigger, i can use his first name because we are tight like that. yeah i know top paper but its not a big deal to me lol)
vernal moth
I dont use linux.
void void
we are not friends anymore
vernal moth
if I can avoid it
void void
I dont use linux.
electroniccat, what do you make of this?
red timber
"got the errors"
does not specify which
unless you're trying to install linux on like 586 cpu then installers shouldn't fail, they're quite robust
golden gust
I mean, I daily drive macOS
rare python
A prime example of the state of Minecraft text formatting:
net.kyori.adventure.text.serializer.legacy.LegacyComponentSerializer.legacyAmpersand().serialize(net.kyori.adventure.text.minimessage.MiniMessage.miniMessage().deserialize(msg))
This was painful to write.
twin lagoon
@untold meadow thoughts
void void
why are you serializing minimessage to legacy ampersands?
rare python
Because Bukkit.getShutdownMessage()
Returns String
Plugins will be expecting it in the legacy format.
void void
Doesn't that return it with the legacy section sign?
void void
no nvm, seems to just be the raw config value
Plugins will expect legacy strings though, as you said
rare python
Yes but the version which returns a component uses section not ampersand
Atleast I think that is what LEGACY_SECTION_UXRC means
Nope it seems to use &
void void
Can't you just do something like net.kyori.adventure.text.serializer.legacy.LegacyComponentSerializer.legacyAmpersand().serialize(shutdownMessage())?
nvm that would create an endless loop nvm we can move the config fetching inside the adventure method
rare python
Well this is what I am currently doing.
// Paper start
@Override
public net.kyori.adventure.text.Component shutdownMessage() {
String msg = this.configuration.getString("settings.shutdown-message");
if (com.destroystokyo.paper.PaperConfig.configurationUsesLegacyFormat)
// Legacy >> Component
return msg != null ? io.papermc.paper.adventure.PaperAdventure.LEGACY_SECTION_UXRC.deserialize(msg) : null;
else
// MiniMessage >> Component
return msg != null ? net.kyori.adventure.text.minimessage.MiniMessage.miniMessage().deserialize(msg) : null;
}
// Paper end
@Override
@Deprecated // Paper
public String getShutdownMessage() {
// Paper start - Allow usage of MiniMessage in server configuration files
String msg = this.configuration.getString("settings.shutdown-message");
if (com.destroystokyo.paper.PaperConfig.configurationUsesLegacyFormat)
// Legacy
return msg;
else
// This is stupid, this was painful to write...
// But it has to be done as those using the API expect this to be in the Legacy format.
// Please just deprecate this method.
// MiniMessage >> Component >> Legacy
return msg != null ? net.kyori.adventure.text.serializer.legacy.LegacyComponentSerializer.legacyAmpersand().serialize(net.kyori.adventure.text.minimessage.MiniMessage.miniMessage().deserialize(msg)) : null;
// Paper end
}
much of those things honestly needs to be deprecated
void void
maybe put the logic for minimessage or legacy > component in a util method since it's going to be called from a few different places
golden gust
deprecate
shove Messages class into UnsafeValues, imho
much of that stuff leaked into the API needlessly over the years through the lack of a better place
void void
Should that be in unsafevalues though? Doesn't need to be exposed via the api
rare python
The string returning one is already deprecated.
I'll leave the component returning one to someone else to deprecate.
golden gust
Thing is that many of them did leak into the API for various reasons
rare python
Well I think I am done with this now.
Just gonna test that older configs don't break, and that minimessage stuff works as well
Oh and I need to change the default configs to use minimessage Apparently I already did that.
untold meadow
<@!315570196549074945> thoughts
thoughts: cringe
ashen cliff
Is the battery on fire yet?
frank otter
it goes through battery quite fast yes
but it charges so goddamn fast
at least I think so
ashen cliff
So it will soon be on fire.
untold meadow
settings are cringe - migrate your configs and don't worry about all that cringe stuff
rare python
You wanna know the bane of my existence
The fact that I can't just break all of peoples legacy formatted configs
So now this lovely setting exists:
configuration-uses-legacy-format: true
errant cargo
Heya...no idea where the best spot to ask would be.
Running a Server with PaperMC 1.18.1 and I am looking for a very specific plugin (but a quite simple one): players should be able to give themselves a [DND] tag (do not disturb) in the tab-list with a simple /dnd command and remove it using the same command again.
I can only find plugins for admins to make yourself disappear, etc.
Anyone got any tips?
untold meadow
just migrate it??? you're the one choosing to do this hacky shit
rare python
It should be a toggle imo
.
void void
rare python
Was not aware that issue existed
rare python
Converting it would be a bad idea
untold meadow
it's an 8 year old format
rare python
Lets say someone does have one of those gradients
untold meadow
that is going to be removed
rare python
And we convert it to MiniMessage
Its not gonna be smart enough to change it to a gradient
untold meadow
do not say it will look unreadable bc it's unreadable in legacy anyway
rare python
Which means you get the old gradient method but worse
untold meadow
ugly stuff getting converted to ugly stuff is a non issue
true canyon
Closer to 8.5 years old now!
twin lagoon
yeah idk why you'd want to support the legacy format in 2022
untold meadow
imagine if paper was a TV and you had people moaning that there was no VHS support
cringe as hell
rare python
I mean just outright converting it would be better code wise, but it would probably confuse people.
true canyon
Imagine a new TV that automatically converted your old VHS into DVD and then people complaining about it!
rare python
Okay fine
untold meadow
people will get over it
void void
inb4 What does "<red>" mean
untold meadow
i think some vocal minorities really overestimate just how many people give a shit about what specific format is used in a paper.yml they touch like once a year
like, look at how many people use things like minimotd
golden gust
part of the goal was basically to clean up the message patches into 1 patch and area, and have the boolean to switch
force upgrading that is somewhat bleh for a new format very few are aware of
rare python
I do prefer MiniMessage, and I think everyone should be using, but I understand that forcibly converting it could cause confusion, and make a bigger mess.
worn crest
I don't see any sense to move from & to the html style formatting π only more afford
rare python
So should I force convert them to MiniMessage, or add a toggle?
untold meadow
"more afford" lmfao we're talking bytes if that
true canyon
So should I force convert them to MiniMessage, or add a toggle?
You don't see sense in moving from arbitrary letters and numbers referring to different colors and formatting, to something that clearly states what it's displaying? 
void void
IMO a toggle, enabled for new configs (default messages also use MM)
rare python
Currently I have it set up so pre-existing configs default to configuration-uses-legacy-format: true and new configs default to using MiniMessage.
untold meadow
gonna be great when we get a nice namespaced global placeholder system into minimessage
void void
I would personally have the setting name contain minimessage
untold meadow
then you can do shit like <paper.version> or allow plugins to add tags to use in paper.yml/etc
rare python
I could probably make it check if the message config has been changed, and if it has not, update it anyway.
rare python
I would personally have the setting name contain minimessage
configuration-uses-minimessage?
golden gust
I mean, am not exactly sure how much I want this to be a thing until we clean up the configs
rare python
You would use MiniMessage after cleaning up the configs anyway right?
So adding support for it now won't make much difference anyway?
golden gust
Yes, it will, cos the current configs in general are a massive mess and shits scattered everywhere in dozens of patches
rare python
And files...
imo just merge server.properties, bukkit.yml, spigot.yml, and paper.yml into one config file.
golden gust
server.properties will probs stay as-is
twin lagoon
golden gust
merging all the yaml files is literally already planned
twin lagoon
paper configurate in 2024
void void
~~add an in game config editor 
~~
golden gust
NoAH!
void void
NO!
ashen cliff
Add it.
neon bramble
true canyon
~~add an in game config editor <:pepela:915710830471970886> ~~
Yes! Make it entirely through an inventory "gui" that's just a bunch of unclear choices of items that fail to communicate visually what they're for and you have to hover over each one to see which is the item you want to edit!
(this is what FactionsUUID users want restored in my plugin, after I replaced that mess with clickable text menus)
golden gust
brb, making a plugin for MCM to restore the functionality which the dictator removed
neon bramble
true canyon
It's just like the "keep legacy format!" argument. It's 100% about preserving familiarity.
neon bramble
I mean, editing any config ingame sounds like a horrible idea
true canyon
imo just merge server.properties, bukkit.yml, spigot.yml, and paper.yml into one...
don't forget to merge eula in there too! π
void void
can you add my plugin's config in there too?
true canyon
I mean, editing any config ingame sounds like a horrible idea
The plugin used to have two config files. config.yml and conf.json. Each had roughly 50% of the configuration options and conf.json had no nesting just a gson-serialized class of a ton of fields. You could live edit conf.json through typing /f config nameoffieldhere newvalue
rare python
don't forget to merge eula in there too! π
what
golden gust
part of why we want it to be a config option at least for now is that we kinda don't wanna just migrate stuff over automagically and have multiple config files with different formats, etc
part of why I wanna consilidate at least that part of the config file before we deal with that mess
let people gain a level of familiarity around MM, etc, etc
before we go steering directly into that mess
neon bramble
The plugin used to have two config files. config.yml and conf.json. Each had rou...
Tell me a single reason why would you do that
golden gust
mcore?
foggy silo
SMH someone tell that dang stale[bot] to stop spamming #paper-github π
true canyon
I don't know. I didn't start maintaining until years later, and promptly cleaned it all up.
neon bramble
oof
golden gust
MassiveCraft basically shoved their MassiveCore project into all of their stuff
refused to create pom files for anything
and generally wherejust hostile towards other devs
neon bramble
MassiveCraft basically shoved their MassiveCore project into all of their stuff
wth is that?
golden gust
their library was basically a horror show last I cared to look at it many years ago
tropic flame
paper configurate in 2024
Configurate is based