yeah you gotta have nerves to work with customers
#general
grim island
grim island
no respect to those socially harmful, misleading people and ruining others mood, for pity money
golden gust
I mean, I consider them in the same class as cold callers, but, I mean, idk why they do it; It's not exactly a sane political environment over there
pastel reef
What are some methods to create an empty world in the overworld, the nether and the end?
I'm not gonna use WorldEdit to torture my NUC for hours.
ashen cliff
VoidGen?
pastel reef
Can I turn the overworld, nether and end into void with that?
ashen cliff
Yeah.
Just edit the Bukkit/Spigot or wherever we select the worldgen now, to use that plugin for those worlds.
pastel reef
I'll try that then, thanks!
rancid void
eh quick nginx related question:
A proxy_pass to ip:port/neededPath doesn't work on location / but on location /everythingWithoutTrailingSlash
How do I solve this?
Yes, the trailing slash added by nginx on location / is enough for the mediocre app to break
limber knotBOT
you need to rewrite it if you want it to go to a specific path. proxy_pass can only take the target network location iirc
snow kernel
wrong server
limber knotBOT
oof
rancid void
you need to rewrite it if you want it to go to a specific path. proxy_pass can o...
Let's say location /shittyApp works, it rev proxies to ip:port/path. BUT location / rev proxies to ip:port/path**/**
And I'm too dumb for a rewrite.
rewrite ^ http://example.com$request_uri? from the docs results in a redirect error "redirect.. that will never complete"
limber knotBOT
pretty sure it passes the full path to wherever it proxies to. if you want to remove/add parts of it you need to rewrite it
pastel reef
Just edit the Bukkit/Spigot or wherever we select the worldgen now, to use that ...
What string do I set what element to? And where is it located?
little frost
https://posili.me/i/VMLKQJSf-2022-02-24_13-43-53.png
lol are you waiting for flightradar
pastel reef
What does No key layers in MapLike[{}]; No key structures in MapLike[{}]
mean?
void void
Harmless vanilla error, you can ignore it
pastel reef
And where do I find the "generator" setting?
void void
In server.properties, you have to add it yourself, but it'll still work
pastel reef
Ah OK, thanks a lot!
compact prairie
Is there any way to join the Swifties club? 😂 I was just looking at emojis and saw the album covers coming from here and was surprised
limber knotBOT
define "not working"?
pastel reef
It complains when I do //pos1 6000 320 6000, something with vectors.
limber knotBOT
well you haven't provided a vector in the x,y,z syntax WorldEdit uses
limber knotBOT
starlight is an improved lighting engine
velocity is a minecraft proxy software that can connect multiple minecraft servers to appear as one to clients
glossy mirage
velocity is a minecraft proxy software that can connect multiple minecraft serve...
So this would mean having several server regions?
limber knotBOT
I'm not sure what you mean by that
glossy mirage
starlight is an improved lighting engine
Is this implemented into paper already?
limber knotBOT
yes
glossy mirage
I'm not sure what you mean by that
I’m not exactly sure what having multiple Minecraft servers show up as one to a client means
limber knotBOT
it means that a player doesn't know that they are switching servers as they don't have to reconnect
glossy mirage
Maybe it’s because I don’t play on larger servers, but what would the use case be on this?
void void
A single server won't be able to handle large player counts probably
A proxy like Velocity or Bungeecord allows you to string together many smaller servers
glossy mirage
Interesting, I never knew that
limber knotBOT
how else did you think they have such player counts on a software designed for 5 players? 
viscid wedge
Intel confidential
ashen cliff
Nah bro.
I do want one... tho, already looks bottlenecked.
So... have to wait for actually good chips. 🛌
twin lagoon
KRUSIC!
limber knotBOT
you can buy some of those on ebay
ashen cliff
Yeah, going back to i5. Doesn't look worth it.
I mean, you get quick assist... and VNNI... but we don't need that.
Tho, damn, they really did go for a giant crystal clock.
glossy mirage
how else did you think they have such player counts on a software designed for 5...
I don’t know lol, I don’t really partake in that side of Minecraft until recently. I was mostly afk in red stone worlds
Or afk’ing at iron farms ;-;
limber knotBOT
I see^^
glossy mirage
I see^^
And I’ve always hosted servers on my local device, I didn’t even know how plugins worked until about a year ago 😪
But thanks for the info! Learn something every day
void void
Can anybody recommend me a fast Minecraft hoster? I don't mind paying premium, will have around 12GB. I'd prefer a dedi but it's slightly out of my budget and will be overkill. Am with Pebblehost right now but am not impressed with their speeds.
twin lagoon
dedicatedmc, bloomhost
void void
A VPS service would be optimal maybe, ping me if you have any suggestions 🙂
limber knotBOT
VPS are not useful for game servers
what's your budget? because you can get game dedicated servers with OVH for pretty cheap 40€ to 60€/mo
void void
what's your budget? because you can get game dedicated servers with OVH for pret...
Oh that sounds sweet, however I have no sysadmin experience and like the way how Pebblehost sets everything up for me.
limber knotBOT
I see
glossy mirage
Can anybody recommend me a fast Minecraft hoster? I don't mind paying premium, w...
I recently started using bloom.host, phenomenal speed, great scheduling services, a bunch of uncommon features, rather affordable(about the same price as premium pebble), the best customer service I’ve ever worked with.
twin lagoon
no
glossy mirage
QOTD
void void
If you have absolutely no experience I would not recommend going fo🥷
left swift
Michael is head of bloom.host advertising team
glossy mirage
Yeah I’ve seen him in the chats
glossy mirage
I mean you could but I don’t think most people need that
serene bolt
$4 an hour
void void
I also own a Multicraft license
left swift
who is ur pfp pure
solid siren
anyone knows a simple daily reward plugin
left swift
yes
solid siren
wat is it
left swift
on spigotmc
warm anchor
Tfw nomana is google
upbeat falconBOT
warm anchor
wat is it
You do know you can use google search and limit the range to a site right? Just add site:spigotmc.org in the end of your searching term
magic river
Didn't even need the site limit, just including spigot in the search terms
"daily reward spigot plugin"
left swift
everyone knows u just ask papermc general chat for google
magic river
woo got wordle in 3 today
magic river
I got ||.l..e|| right away then ruled out ||starting with c or s and having a or i with my first two guesses|| so could only think of one word that still fit
vernal moth
https://twitter.com/vxunderground/status/1496878462690340865
Kekw
magic river
Apparently that's the Russians doing that, they're routing you to a different server if you aren't from a Russian IP address
true canyon
I got lucky in going from ||one vowel only, two vowel only||, then boom whole word.
wide chasm
I got ||.l..e|| right away then ruled out ||starting with c or s and having a or...
I got ||..o.e||, got the ||l|| immediately after with ||elope||, but then ||close|| and ||alone|| giving me nothing, ||globe|| showing a ||yellow b|| and then I finally got it.
left swift
||
||
magic river
Yeah I didn't even think of ||globe|| but that's a much more common word so would have been my third guess if I had
wide chasm
Yeah, ||elope|| was a bit of a stretch, but I felt like ||close|| and ||alone|| were pretty likely.
I mean, I was starting to run out of letters 🙂
magic river
I always forget double letters are possible which is usually what screws me so I wouldn't have even tried that first one 😛
wide chasm
Same, which is why I tried it first now 😄
Or, well, second
But I usually take as my first guess the answer from yesterday.
magic river
I swear for quordle one of the words has double letters every time
So I pretty much always get 3 out of 4
wide chasm
Never played quordle, looks too intense for me
left swift
I only play lewdle
true canyon
Daily Quordle #31
6️⃣7️⃣
4️⃣5️⃣
^_^
wide chasm
Someone at Mojang hates me, shift clicking in inventories is a clusterfuck of different behaviors for every inventory type.
limber knotBOT
yeah
wide chasm
Like, some inventories index the player inventory differently than others, so if you shift click in one inventory the item will go to the bottom right, but if you have a different inventory open, it might just move to the top left.
And of course every slot only accepts items that you are allowed to put in that slot, except beacons where shift clicking doesn't work at all.
Enchanting tables work, but if you shift click anything but lapis, it will only move one item, not the whole stack.
Furnaces work, but if you use an item that is smeltable and fuel, it will prefer being smeltable and will never move it to the fuel slot.
wide chasm
And as cherry on top if you move from the bottom inventory, but it can't be put into the top inventory, the item will move between your hotbar and the main bottom inventory, where they are both indexed from top-left, regardless of the open inventory type.
And I still don't know what the behavioral differences between right and left shift click are, they both seem to do the same, but are separated as different click types.
TL;DR I'm going to bed, fuck this
magic river
I think you get the left vs right because they matter for other things so it was easier to just add shift to them
afaik they are identical for this though
wide chasm
Well that's nice at least
vernal moth
Today is a strange day, everybody is posting videos from Arma 3 on Twitter for some reason?
magic river
Does that mean the Russian troops at Chernobyl is just someone taking screenshots from STALKER? 😄
vernal moth
magic river
As soon as the gun started going off I was pretty sure it was fake before I even tried to look at the video
warm anchor
Arma is such a good game but too bad it’s too hard so it will never get as popular as cod and mw
People want the most brain dead gameplay ever
viscid wedge
If anyone wants to see real tracer rounds
This video is old, it's a routine armament drill. Nothing to be concerned over.
limber knotBOT
there are some arma communities that do pretty realistic gameplay stuff e.g. the guys soviet womble and the other ZF guys sometimes play with
but it is for sure a pretty niche hobby lol
warm anchor
Yeah to make it to mainstream you need the worse gameplay ever coz you gonna cater to the least amount of braincell player wise
viscid wedge
It is quite overwhelming for new players
warm anchor
Yeah that’s certainly true
limber knotBOT
it's hard to make simulation games that actually appease the mainstream
warm anchor
I mean yeah a real war game will be like
500 hours stationed in barrack
10 minute of firefight and if you get shot you dead
Doesn’t look very fun to me
viscid wedge
That's how I feel playing Arma sometimes lmao. The maps are fucking huge.
warm anchor
I mean that’s pretty real 
magic river
spark gate
Hi
warm anchor
Mismanagement and lack of common security briefing @lilac moon
warm anchor
It’s no accident two of the most profitable streamer from holo are gone
left swift
10 minute of firefight and if you get shot you dead
sounds like real life
viscid wedge
I still blame Coco being gone on external factors
She was a martyr, never deserved the treatment she got
warm anchor
I still blame Coco being gone on external factors
Holo JP handles it as bad as it can possibly get
magic river
I don't know who these people are
warm anchor
Vtuber pretty much
left swift
jpg streamers
viscid wedge
modern weeb activities
warm anchor
It’s like twitch but on YouTube instead
magic river
warm anchor
That’s most superchat donation rank
magic river
Only vtuber I watch 😛
magic river
warm anchor
@viscid wedge Rushia donation value is crazy
magic river
Welcome to the meme that started this conversation
viscid wedge
<@!251528237748846605> Rushia donation value is crazy
GFE does that
magic river
?
warm anchor
She’s got new channel. She will just be like kson @viscid wedge
viscid wedge
Yep
left swift
I am like the most rule obeying character in paperMC <@!121769553603723265> wdym
I know ur secrets you cant fool me 
magic river
What does a Good Faith Estimate have to do with this?
...oh, I think I know what that means
viscid wedge
?
Okay, this is getting into a stranger subculture territory, but lots of Japanese idols participate in something called the "girlfriend experience". They'll gear their streams towards lonely men who have a sort of parasocial relationship with the streamer.
vernal moth
How nice of them
left swift
who would do that 
viscid wedge
lmao
left swift
left swift
shes too rich humble queen
warm anchor
From that famous leak
left swift
she limits donations
left swift
warped sail
aged like milk :p
spare venture
I don't know who these people are
same
gilded remnant
Mojang patched log4shell in all affected versions a while ago right?
left swift
no one knows who u are
warm anchor
@spare venture it’s hottest money maker that’s what it is
left swift
when is eternkty making it big
warm anchor
Mojang patched log4shell in all affected versions a while ago right?
On client and their official server jar yes
spare venture
are u sure cause andrewkm told everyone who i was a while back 😔
left swift
old drama farmer
left swift
get new drama
magic river
I don't know who this is but this is 🔥 https://twitter.com/ThatBronzeGirl/status/1496638543023808515
warm anchor
Barty is a adjective now??
warm anchor
Wtf discord wrong emoji 
spare venture
i was very confused too
left swift
spare venture
no, no, i meant the doxxing, the name change isn’t some secret?
left swift
spare venture
nomana what do u even do here
left swift
shitpost
vernal moth
Who doxxes whom?
spare venture
ye but what do you do in the community
vernal moth
I want some doxs too
warm anchor
no, no, i meant the doxxing, the name change isn’t some secret?
Can’t fool me
left swift
comedic relief
spare venture
shit
warm anchor
warm anchor
#paper-help @empty coral if paper related
spare venture
viscid wedge
left swift
I cant I dont speak english
spare venture
!
magic river
If you wrote it #paper-dev otherwise #paper-help or the relevant discord/forum for the plugin
This is the channel where we hate on poki
warm anchor
True
spare venture
and talk about politics
viscid wedge
🐀 🐦
spare venture
🙊🐌
viscid wedge
warm anchor
Generally speaking for plugin you will look at its spigot page and get support from there
worn ember
@warm anchoralready hate this patch
warm anchor
warm anchor
<@!177150983258767360>already hate this patch
Tell me more
magic river
Did Purge put up his 12 hour patch notes video yet?
warm anchor
best
worn ember
lol
unkempt drift
Did Purge put up his 12 hour patch notes video yet?
What’s that
viscid wedge
warm anchor
It’s a Dota thing @unkempt drift
worn ember
warm anchor
Only fellow Dota player will get
worn ember
"first impressions" -> 9h
spare venture
how popular is dota outside the US
warm anchor
Way more popular
magic river
I think it's more popular in EU than US?
warm anchor
In Russia and Asia
spare venture
anecdotally people sort of know what league is but none know of dota
in USA
nowhere near fortnite and call of duty
warm anchor
No no it’s definitely more popular outside of US @magic river
viscid wedge
How do I get my irl friends to kick their League addiction
worn ember
its cuz its requires actual brain to play unlike those games
viscid wedge
These motherfuckers play literally two games, Apex and League
magic river
There is a song about dota that was on a top pop chart in europe
worn ember
beat them in every match till they rage quit
spare venture
yes
magic river
Like, not some niche thing
viscid wedge
brb writing a script to brick their efivars
spare venture
in like 2005
worn ember
that was the original dota mod though
spare venture
most people who play it weren’t even born
magic river
I think there is someone who won TI who was still in diapers at least when that song came out
spare venture
gotcha
worn ember
pretty sure the demografic of dota is like 18-50 or something
magic river
A couple years ago a 16 year old was on a winning TI team, right?
spare venture
song was released in 2006
i played dota in like 2014 and it felt like someone needed to turn the lights on
worn ember
Sumail was 15 i think when he won TI
upbeat falconBOT
message.txt by @empty coral: https://paste.gg/ba4ad418c81243c7bdf5f77b8d54a990
south matrix
- wrong channel
- legacy versions are not supported
magic river
- ancient java
south matrix
too bad
golden gust
irrelevant
You're not using our software
you're not using a version we support
No
You're using spigot, this is paper
south matrix
lmao didn't even notice that
golden gust
nor have we supported 1.8 in like, many years
idk what you did to have a paper.yml, maybe you did run paper at some point, but, that's spigot, it even says that it's spigot
No, Paper is paper
spigot is spigot
magic river
Even if it was Paper it's a version that came out 8 years ago and hasn't been supported for about 6 years
golden gust
we're not here to debate this, you're not using paper and even if you where you're not using a version we support
golden gust
probably a version mismatch between plugins and that version of the software
beyond that, 🤷♂️
crystal lilyBOT
golden gust
Well, the issue is actually in part that you're using a version of java which is too new for that version of spigot
magic river
Just leave already
magic river
golden gust
gotta rake in that war time fear porn advertising
void void
what's peoples preferred way to disable command tabbing? I'm new to this :p
cosmic raft
how about you don't? tab completion is useful as fuck for players
void void
right now it's possible to type a command you don't have permission to and recieve the output for the complete command
warm anchor
Use plugin that properly register commends
golden gust
Twitter
void void
ofc I want it for the commands they have permission to
golden gust
then just setup perms properly and use competent plugins
warm anchor
ofc I want it for the commands they have permission to
See what I said above
golden gust
in cases where the commands aren't hidden when they don't have perms, scream at the author
south matrix
worldedit
warm anchor
Make sure you use Luckperm
golden gust
when commands are defined properly, players won't see commands they don't have access to
magic river
Commands can be registered with a permission, that permission determines if they're shown in tab complete or not
tropic flame
in cases where the commands aren't hidden when they don't have perms, scream at ...
if only Bukkit had a proper way to assign commands to arguments instead of only the root command 
but then
switch case best command handler amirite
golden gust
a command is a command
magic river
Sub command stuff is all up to you to do yourself, you could also limit the arguments based on permissions
golden gust
dealing with shit like spaces would be ass as then you'd need to tear apart literally every command issued and walk it back
void void
Make sure you use Luckperm
LuckPerms andCMI
warm anchor
I’d stop at Luckperm
south matrix
CMI is great for command management, only /cmi is registered by default
golden gust
should maybe expose the testSilently or whatever it was more, but, er 🤷♂️
void void
yeah I've changed the alias
magic river
Other than it being a little cluttered I don't see the point in hiding commands they can't run either, tbh
golden gust
(but, I mean, you'd just have my.command.whatever grants my.command, and have my.command on the perm, and, boom, is magic)
well, I mean, it's cluttered af
especially with commands sent to the client fully and the namespaced commands
spare venture
players shouldn’t see commands they can’t run, i’ll die on that hill
magic river
Ok, yeah, the namespaced commands is too much
Well, sure, it would be better if they weren't shown
But if the alternative is hiding all of them then fuck that
spare venture
/papi, /spawnmythicmob, /daddy, all come to mind
cosmic raft
players shouldn’t see commands they can’t run, i’ll die on that hill
and they can't when the plugin developer does it properly
blame plugin authors
don't punish users
spare venture
no plugin author does it right apparently
south matrix
you could control it somewhat with https://github.com/YouHaveTrouble/CommandWhitelist/ if you have worldedit on prod
cosmic raft
many do :)
spare venture
“no” was an exaggeration, but few do and the majority of popular plugins do not
golden gust
and let it all out
spare venture
oh we oh we oh we oh?
magic river
spare venture
did i just get tricked into being a furry
warm anchor
@static badge thought?
magic river
btw can confirm Elden Ring looks like an HD version of a PS2 game
It's higher poly, higher resolution, and has a better lighting engine but so far still seems kind of... plain?
static badge
magic river
Like they're still making everything the same way they're just not having to downscale their assets as much
But maybe once he gets to a more open/living area it'll be better, I just started this VOD
magic river
Ok the grass and trees look decent
They wave a bit in the wind but don't respond to you moving through them
serene bolt
even a really cheap grass displacement effect is easy to do, so that's an odd omission
spare venture
97 on metacritic tho
magic river
It'll probably drop a few points after release
daring gulch
what's peoples preferred way to disable command tabbing? I'm new to this :p
Look for the plugin CommandWhitelist
worn ember
@warm anchor theres a fun bug in the game that crashes every client
just had it happen 3x in a row and now my game isnt scored 
warm anchor
I remember that one bug where if you shift queue patrol it will crash the game session
I mentioned it and finally force valve to address it by having noobfromUA post a video publicly
worn ember
lol
warm anchor
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) NoobFromUA: How to crash servers with patrol command. : DotA2 - 52 comments, 76 points - ratzo12, 5y ago
warm anchor
Found it wow 6 year ago
Valve would never do anything unless you force it on their throat 
worn ember
kek
lilac moon
oh wait and it's not minecraft either
worn ember
this patch is a joke... they had an entire year to make and there's so many bugs and wrong item descriptions
south matrix
Look for the plugin CommandWhitelist
warm anchor
this patch is a joke... they had an entire year to make and there's so many bugs...
Icefrog retired. It was downfall of Dota
worn ember
when did that happen?
warm anchor
Was a conspiracy but someone did some comparison to older patch and favor texts @worn ember
Will need to fix that article
left swift
dota 
worn ember
Was a conspiracy but someone did some comparison to older patch and favor texts ...
the last game i played doesnt even show up on the feed, its like i never played it
warm anchor
Oh did you remember the html injection on profile feed exploit? @worn ember
That was also fun
worn ember
never heard of that one lmfao
worn ember
yikes
warm anchor
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) The Steam Community Exploit, explained in-depth by a web developer... : Steam - 166 comments, 1,974 points - [deleted], 5y ago
worn ember
time to sleep though 🛌
warm anchor
Good read
merry talon
has there been a single critically acclaimed game in the past like 5 years that lived up to the hype at all
warm anchor
Witchers
worn ember
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) EE's ctrl+v goes wrong : DotA2 - 19 comments, 41 points - RripperR, 2h ago
warm anchor
Lol
wide chasm
has there been a single critically acclaimed game in the past like 5 years that ...
From what I can tell, BotW and SMO
rocky scroll
BotW was amazing
rotund jewel
hello how can i turn on command block ?
lament patio
server.properties
lilac moon
I think you need to be op in addition to having perms with a permission plgin
golden gust
need to be op'd and potentially in creative mode too, iirc
rotund jewel
i am op
silver nexus
Are you in creative? It won’t let you place them in survival.
lilac moon
did you restart the server after enabling too
rotund jewel
Are you in creative? It won’t let you place them in survival.
my mqp is survival :/
silver nexus
Then why are you using command blocks?
lilac moon
you can go to creative just to place them and set commands, then back to survival
rotund jewel
i added a parkour map in my survival server . and that map requires command blocks = true for work . but when i join this map . this map dont work and i can not use command blocks
rotund jewel
you can go to creative just to place them and set commands, then back to surviva...
okey thank you😘 👍
lilac moon
i added a parkour map in my survival server . and that map requires command bloc...
oh.. That sounds different
but yeah making a command block to test is good
if it does then maybe plugins such as essentials could be messing with them since they override vanilla commands
rotund jewel
i use essentials . griefprevention . world edit
is there any problem with command blocks and this plugins ?
lilac moon
yeah essentials probably overrides a lot if the vanilla commands it needs and messes up the syntax
lilac moon
ideally use vanilla for maps that are meant for vanilla
another option is to remove essentials and pray it works
lilac moon
well technically if you live in the woods it's hard for your communications to be intercepted and analyzed by russians
magic river
worn ember
Ayo
vernal moth
I have a dum problem. I have a project layout at work where all my code is in a base project, that is then used by multiple application projects, which have actual @SpringBootApplication classes and shit, a bit of code and a bunch of config for the base code.
Now, I want to write integration tests for the base code, but I can only execute them in the different application projects (pipeline limitation + I actually want to test there).
Does anybody know if I can like inherit tests or something stupid like that? we use maven, surefire, junit5 etc
ohhh wait I can just use a Test Suite, right?
papermc #general best rubber duck
magic river
teams --no-sandbox
magic river
I think I'm going to wait for the M2, sounds like they might be doing a 13" version again?
I wonder if that's going to be M2 in the Mini, 13" Air, and 13" Pro while the M2 Pro is only for the 14" Pro and 16" Pro
south matrix
so what's this sandbox and why did it break everything
magic river
Hopefully even if it's just the base M2 in the 13" it'll at least support 32GB RAM
¯_(ツ)_/¯
proud lance
Hopefully even if it's just the base M2 in the 13" it'll at least support 32GB R...
I was about to write this exact thing
when it gets 32GB I am upgrading in a heartbeat
golden gust
oh boy
So, the sandbox is, well, a sandbox
it tries to like isolate processes
Looking at it, glibc had a crash with chromium/electron due to some call
and, so, they, erm, patched it out
south matrix
it tells me i can't use teams anyways because it's not a school/work account
so, :)
magic river
Oh yeah Teams for business and Teams for personal use are two separate products even if they seemingly have identical UI
afaik the personal use one is only available as a thing built in to Windows 11
south matrix
it calls itself teams preview
vernal moth
there is teams for personal use?
magic river
It's the one installed by default when you install Windows 11
golden gust
yea, apparently so
south matrix
i just need to join a meeting tomorrow :(
magic river
That you then have to uninstall to use the one your work forces you to use because Discord is insecure 😛
south matrix
maybe i'll use my dual boot if it comes down to it
magic river
You have a meeting scheduled that isn't for a work email?
south matrix
i don't work there
magic river
I don't think you can use the personal one to join a meeting on the work one
But maybe
You'll probably just have to call in, I think that's a thing you can do
Teams is Slack but worse
golden gust
but, with a microsoft badge
magic river
Oh, and integrated with your sharepoint and such
golden gust
so enterprise brrr
magic river
Work forces us to use it because Active Directory and retention policies and such
proud lance
Teams is Slack but worse
I enjoy hearing this since i have like 2-3 custom integrations for slack
magic river
Teams did a hilarious thing earlier today
south matrix
ah seems like if i open the meeting from my browser it opens properly in teams even though i can't actually do anything in the app
proud lance
I think slack has both of those, but the retention policy is on an expensive plan
magic river
I pasted a URL in then typed a path on to the end of it
Only the bit I pasted in was a link you could click on
They have this pseudo Word rich text thing going on with their text input
If you type in three backticks it replaces them with an input box inside your input box where you type in source code
No syntax highlighting though
I suspect it does similar garbage if you try to use markdown bullet points and tables
I dunno, we try to use the chat as little as possible since it sucks
It's just the place we do meetings, we set up the mattermost instance in our gitlab for the dev team to use
It also sucks but not as much as Slack or Teams
proud lance
theres a few I am considering migrating to from slack, just to save money on the licensing costs
there was one I sorta liked
golden gust
Guys
proud lance
magic river
Mattermost is trying to add non-chat functionality like kanban boards and what appear to be some kind of tool to run batch processes?
It's kind of awkward though because gitlab does both of those things better and it doesn't use gitlab for them so it's obvious these are two different teams both trying to create things to upsell you on and they're just bolted together
zulip is neat because it's like a chat/forum hybrid
Everyone else is trying to copy them via various versions of threads
Discord is the closest
proud lance
I like that you can view the threads on the side
golden gust
everybody is tryna create like their own alternative to chat
proud lance
I hate the discord version of threads and have never seen it used
magic river
The rust compiler team uses zulip and has threads for discussions on various long running design/implementation goals
proud lance
one other thing is that you can style it completely with css
magic river
They could just make channels but threads are something anyone can make so it's less friction
You can recolor everything at least with mattermost, you can probably do a lot more with it too since the interface for it is a block of CSS
Oh, guess I misremembered that, it's a block of JSON for colors only
proud lance
I think zulip is the one with the block
I remember seeing it in a trial I ran locally
be nice to use custom fonts
golden gust
wingdings?
proud lance
is there really anything that worked better than mailing lists?
one thing I liked in the mailing list days were the complimentary forums that housed all the convos
I thought those were neat for archiving
golden gust
Yea, I mean, there is a cmmunity I'm kinda lurking in which still uses a mailing list 😄
proud lance
I liked the idea at first then I was like this is way too much spam
golden gust
yea, but, works with a sane client of your choice!
magic river
Mailing lists still make the most sense when you want to have long running discussions with a group large and/or diverse enough that chat is too busy or too out of sync
golden gust
I mean, I jest, ofc, mailing lists are ass to work with and follow when they get even remotely anywhere
Like, am kinda glad that they're not the mainstay these days, even if I do kinda hold them to a bit of a sepia tone
magic river
Projects that are small enough or have a small core team or dictator can get away with just having some kind of chat
golden gust
but, I hate modern chat clients
proud lance
I like the simplicity of irc
magic river
Then you can use forums or a wordpress to announce core team decisions to people
Or just git commit messages or whatever
worn crest
but, I hate modern chat clients
Discord ist modern and a chat client.
golden gust
wat
warm anchor
I cant honestly think of an even more modern chat client
smoky cloud
iMessage
ashen cliff
Teams.
grim island
I hate the discord version of threads and have never seen it used
+++, especially things like thread titles
in slack you can just reply to any message and it starts a thread
in discord you need to start a thread and provide concise title
golden gust
Yea, I mean, it's dumb
everything is just shoddily designed, imho
like, if our IDEs required as much context switching to do stuff as discord does for a conversation, we'd of ditch those tools years ago
proud lance
I feel like if you gotta go off the keyboard mid conversation that makes it gross
twin lagoon
@warm anchor 
warm anchor
@twin lagoon 
quasi valley
ashen cliff
Oh boy, I sure do love premium plugins: https://posili.me/i/zs78dKcd-2022-02-25_13-18-23.png
neon bramble
Oh boy, I sure do love premium plugins: https://posili.me/i/zs78dKcd-2022-02-25_...
Is this real?
ashen cliff
It is.
ashen cliff
ashen cliff
I don't know.
neon bramble
I am not sure whether to be concerned more about the price, or how many people bought it
ashen cliff
You should be concerned about the people that buy stuff on MC-Market in general.
shy arrow
anyone got any whitelists and blacklists for swearr filter?
neon bramble
What's bad with mc market?
golden gust
they have a bit of a fun history
shy arrow
i dont feel like adding all the words i had to my old filter lol and mcmarket kinda sketch
plus lots of scams on ther
neon bramble
they have a bit of a fun history
Can you give me a storytime?
golden gust
no
neon bramble
:(
ashen cliff
Cat is just trying to not get exposed.
neon bramble
Idk, I've never bought anything from there, also you are the first guys complaining about it
ashen cliff
Buy something and join the club.
ashen cliff
Keep it that way.
neon bramble
I just use free ones (only open source) or do it myself
I was thinking of selling plugins for a while, but I decided to not do so
red timber
same
providing a support is ass
and given how many dumb people there are who screech "your plugin is shit broken reee refund" when they make a syntax error in a yaml file
then i don't even want to continue thining about it...
neon bramble
providing a support is ass
This is the exact reason why I chose to not sell plugins
I was doing a support for a plugin for a while
And it was horrible
hexed dragon
Damn I missed it.
cursive sundial
Twitter
pastel reef
I'm building a PVP Arena with my friends, opinions?
cunning raft
@waxen panther
spare venture
@waxen panther
left swift
magic river
The thought is that it's a combination of dust kicked up from vehicle/troop movements and/or equipment errors
But apparently it was raining there recently? Not sure how much dust you'd have
vernal moth
The sarcophagus isn't even the issue radiation wise
There are still ton of fuel rods there
If somebody does dum stuff with them the east has a problem ^^
frank otter
fuel rods?
the overheated sticks of nuclear death?
wonder what they'd taste like
if you cut one small enough do you think you could make a nuclear hotdog
true canyon
By size, as I understand it, they're more of a fun but a little short baseball bat.
vernal moth
After how many days are we allowed to make memes about this war?
Because I saw a really good one and I can't wait to share, lol
worn ember
kick jroy first
vernal moth
What has jroy to do with that?
worn ember
"ree politics"
vernal moth
We don't want political discussions, yes
worn ember
Any time is good time for war memes
plucky sparrow
Because I saw a really good one and I can't wait to share, lol
post it in pimple's server
ashen cliff
Uh oh https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1497156832170815516
Probably caused by vehicles moving in that area?
worn ember
there hasn't been that much movement in the area
ashen cliff
I mean, they invaded it.
magic river
Couldn't read two messages more, huh? 😄
ashen cliff
worn ember
i think both sides want to more or less avoid causing damage to it
magic river
People are getting a lot of jokes out of the Elden Ring faith/multiplayer system
It's all about fingers and the Two Fingers
Well, it's mostly the same joke but yeah
tropic flame
We don't want political discussions, yes
I thought #announcements said discussion about current events is allowed
wide chasm
Yes, you can talk about Russia/Ukraine (or other recent events)
mossy vessel
However, keep in mind that this is a Minecraft discord server and better locations exist for that.
left swift
politics is back to papermc 😎
wide chasm
Wish you weren't, though
wide chasm
I'm a very mean person
left swift
plucky sparrow
i agree with stef
rare python
There have been a number of entertaining memes, mostly making fun of Russia's incompetence
left swift
i agree with stef
who are you
worn ember
There have been a number of entertaining memes, mostly making fun of Russia's in...
wouldn't call them taking over an entire country in 2 days incompetent but ok
glass crag
they've taken over ukraine?
magic river
If they're driving tanks around in Kyiv (and running over cars full of people with them) I think it's safe to say they've taken over, whatever people might want to call it
ashen cliff
If they're driving tanks around in Kyiv (and running over cars full of people wi...
Luckily those people in that video survived.
magic river
Really?
I wonder if they could figure out a way to sell that as a safety feature for that car 😛
"Survives being run over by a tank"
ashen cliff
left swift
that's something I didn't need to see
foggy silo
Horrible.
red timber
literally like kids playing with toys...
warm anchor
Reminds me of Red Alert 2 an old game where you can run over things with tank
cosmic raft
Hi @warm anchor
left swift
warm anchor
Hi <@!177150983258767360>
Hello kashike 
foggy silo
minor otter
Random question but, can the typical minecraft plugin be defined as an Application? Or a Java application to be more precise?
wide chasm
Application is a pretty broad term, I don't think many would call it that, but if you want to, sure.
charred sleet
i would say an application is standalone, so i wouldn’t no but up to you
warm anchor
If you are trying to embellish your resume I don’t see why not treating the plugin you made for MC as application 
potent panther
strong vector
is https://github.com/mergebase/log4j-detector safe?
yes
minor otter
Application is a pretty broad term, I don't think many would call it that, but i...
I was just watching this Matej guy’s youtube video on the quickest ways to learn plugin development and he was calling plugins «applications». I also thought a java application would be required to run stand-alone.
topaz mortar
I was just watching this Matej guy’s youtube video on the quickest ways to learn...
Don't trust the kangaroo
minor otter
Yeh, dude’s sketchy
left swift
warm anchor
@left swift what’s wrong?
left swift
the k word was spoken
topaz mortar
The guru
warm anchor
Yeah I don’t know much about the dude but I recall he made an alt and was trolling minidagger last week or something
Kinda weird
neon vault
Am I allowed to self promote a Tweet here?
unkempt drift
probably not just to promote smth, I mean if its relavent to whatever convo is going on, its prob fine
neon vault
Alright, I appreciate the fast response. May I show it just to you in DMs? 'cause I think its really cool and I want more people to see it haha
unkempt drift
sure
spare venture
being cut off from swift would basically mean russian banks can’t do anything with the west, right?
or well the countries that cut them off
servers using xsolla in shambles if so?
jagged widget
any way to easily download latest 1.18.1 paper version? (to put in a shell script)
spare venture
it’s not advisable and that’s why they didn’t make it easy
golden gust
API responds in json so if you can parse that it's trivial
jagged widget
yes but i am working with very minimal knowledge here
golden gust
theres been many scripts floating around the place
we don't offer a latest endpoint for many various reasons and so if you really wanna do that you'll need to find some way to get it from the API
jagged widget
mmk
lean kiln
don't share illegal download sites
jagged widget
oof ok soz
south matrix
it's not that hard to make a script
jagged widget
okok ill try my best
golden gust
.sh
bruh
90% of the auto update scripts out there are for linux
You can easily query the API and use stuff like jq to parse info
and, if you're gonna use CI servers for downloading stuff, at least use the official one rather than something maintained by randos
south matrix
i like jq
i wish there was a similar api for parsing nbt
so users could isolate the parts of nbt they want
vernal bone
Yup, jq is very useful. And works with the Paper API. 
daring owl
does random tick speed impact performance?
golden gust
yes
daring owl
yes
Dumb question. Is the performance impact signficant enough where it would be a bad idea for a server with around 80 players on a dedicated 5800x, just a guess is all i expect
worn ember
Dumb question. Is the performance impact signficant enough where it would be a b...
You could be the one providing us the data 😉 change it and see if it affects things more
daring owl
You could be the one providing us the data 😉 change it and see if it affects th...
is this not a well researched thing
or known ig
worn ember
then we can sell it on spigot for $500
proud lance
or krusic can make a blog post about it
golden gust
random tick is what ticks blocks in the world
daring owl
then we can sell it on spigot for $500
i get half and we have a deal
golden gust
i.e. farms, etc
where it would be a bad idea for...
I mean, it's literally a thing which exists in the server and does stuff, so that statement makes basically 0 sense
golden gust
What you're saying has little sense in the scheme of things
the default value is 3, it controls how many blocks the game ticks each tick more or less
if you have players around farms, etc, random ticking is gonna have more of an impact vs people in the middle of nowhere
decreasing the value can have massive gains on farm heavy servers
(at the cost of production, however)
daring owl
yes ofc but there r like 25 players out of the 29 online afking farms
frozen vault
foreshadowing..
daring owl
foreshadowing..
lmao
golden gust
but, what if I just can't help myself?
proud lance
then we ping you
the one thing you hate
I am gonna report cat for spreading death threats on butt metal
delicate bloom
lovelyflowers.zip
simple karma
vernal moth
You mean Bukkit forks
full rune
rare python
A visual representation of the Bukkit of forks...
vernal moth
that graph is really stupid tho
worn crest
It was good but nowadays so much useless forks there
golden gust
I mean, for one, it's missing OG craftbukkit
native wolf
the author purposefully made the graph like this
vernal moth
shill*
native wolf
no lmao
but they said they wanted to make it as complicated as possible
the graph was really messy when Yatopia was still around kekw
vernal moth
the author literally is a staff member of spigot
no wonder they want to make it messy cause their message is, use spigot, everything else is too complicated
and unstable and whatever propaganda people used in the past against paper
blazing fern
is there a reason why the core team are just assholes to people for no reason
clever mica
ikr, cant even get support 
golden gust
Idk who i've been an asshole to recently
blazing fern
looking at #paper-help i'd say wolfrek
golden gust
cute
blazing fern
very
golden gust
People aren't entitled to our time or our support
especially if they break our guidelines
blazing fern
then why give them the option to in the first place?
golden gust
We never did, mojang did
void void
offline mode has many legit use cases
blazing fern
that too
void void
piracy isn't one of them
golden gust
you are not entitled to our support or our time
blazing fern
a lot of people dont use offline mode for piracy
golden gust
Irrelevant
blazing fern
sometimes its just better for compatibility
blazing fern
Irrelevant
no it is relevant
dapper pumice
From what I've seen the last months, the staff and members weren't assholes but helpful.
And nope, offline pirates don't deserve any support.
clever mica
why would i pirate minecraft when i have legit minecraft 
golden gust
I mean, it is irrelevant
We don't support servers in that config as per our rules
We don't offer exceptions
wide chasm
We don't support offline mode, regardless of whether you bought Minecraft or not
void void
I mean, you also have skinsrestorer 
vernal moth
this is a community support discord, the community helps each other here. if we as the team also spend some of our time to help out, thats cool but obviously not guaranteed. you don't have a support contract with us. the offline mode just puts the cherry on top, the entitlement alone is reason for me to not consider helping you.
clever mica
I mean, you also have skinsrestorer <:shrug:690311680085065728>
whats wrong with it 
golden gust
I mean, it's a plugin used by offline mode servers to have skins on the server with very little usage outside of that
running the game in a mode which encourages piracy is not supported by the community
proud lance
why would i pirate minecraft when i have legit minecraft <:NOOO:8334507662192149...
why would you run offline mode if you have legit minecraft?
golden gust
you're literally acting as if I've wronged you all because I explained that the community generally doesn't support that setup and that you're not owed support, as per the license of the software
clever mica
why would you run offline mode if you have legit minecraft?
why not 
vernal moth
this discussion is pointless
I suggest you familiarize yourself with our rules or ill show you the door
blazing fern
🚪 <- the aforementioned door
blazing fern
yes
vernal moth
Nobody forces you to use paper
The majority of the community just agrees that it's the best tool for the job
limber knotBOT
where did anyone say that you said that?
ashen cliff
Daily offline mode moment.
clever mica
wide chasm
I suggest we drop the conversation
blazing fern
dammit I can’t turn that into a visual metaphor easily on mobile
vernal moth
Nobody asked you to do that anyways
wide chasm
!warn 347083401141944333 when I say "drop the conversation" I mean it
thorny flickerBOT
:raised_hands: Warned RooRay#0001 (when I say "drop the conversation" I mean it) [1 total infraction] -- stefvanschie#7609.
blazing fern
still sorrel
every time I try to scroll by holding my middle mouse button I get instant PTSD from using Ubuntu
blazing fern
lmao
still sorrel
there is no holding middle mouse button to scroll in linux
pallid edge
Scroll on linux in general just feels bad and not smooth at all
frank otter
Where's the offline mode bingo gone again
pallid edge
I've heard that it's better on wayland, but didn't try that yet
frank otter
did you say that last year too
frank otter
will you say it next year as well
native wolf
Steam Deck might make the year of Linux desktop more likely to actually happen lol
frank otter
someone needs to start making arch btw cases for it
like if I got a steam deck I'd want a case for it
if I have a case it'd have to be like a "powered by 
btw" case
native wolf
lol
limber knotBOT
isn't scrolling based on the choice of desktop environment? never had an issue with it in Gnome 2/MATE (which is the only true DE anyways)
runs
limber knotBOT
(although plasma looks pretty sexy ngl)
pallid edge
One thing I wish linux had was command suggestions/autocompletions similar to Minecraft. I don't get why that isn't a thing yet
golden gust
I never got along with KDE
I just always felt like it kinda sucked ass
you mean for the terminal? it does
fish has the most advanced command completion i've seen
but, zsh and somewhat bash do a good job too
limber knotBOT
@pallid edge it has it? wat. just use the right shell 
pallid edge
But is it the kind of autocompletions where it shows you all possible commands, pretty much like in mc?
Or does it just try to complete the closest command when you press shift.
frank otter
fish is imo the greatest shell
it depends I think on the command
like systemd (tab) will show all systemd commands
*systemctl
limber knotBOT
you can configure any shell like that, some just have that inbuilt/enabled by default or ready plugins (e.g. zsh can be setup like that)
(also linux itself doesn't even have a terminal)
runs
magic river
I think all those shells are just reading bash-completion syntax so yeah...
golden gust
Yea, I think some of the shells had their own extra spicy format but 🤷♂️
pallid edge
golden gust
fish last I recalled was more active towards providing suggestions
but, fish wasn't compat with bash, and so, oof
pallid edge
That's a screenshot from the fish website here. It only suggests the -l, but doesn't actually show any other possible flags
magic river
Oh right you mean it suggests stuff from your history too
limber knotBOT
just make it work however you want
magic river
I'm not really a fan of that 😛
pallid edge
But can I make it so it suggests all possible commands (in a list or something like that)?
golden gust
is omzsh still the cool thing or have people moved on?
limber knotBOT
*do
golden gust
I keep kinda wanting to clean up much of my messy setup
pallid edge
Immma give it another try then lol
limber knotBOT
I haven't seen a reason to move on from it but I dunno
I like to keep things working (and the same)
frank otter
That's a screenshot from the fish website here. It only suggests the -l, but doe...
I just installed in in termux, typed ssh - and pressed tab
limber knotBOT
iamgine getting auto suggestion for 100+ commands/options every time you type 😅
pallid edge
I just installed in in termux, typed ssh - and pressed tab
Ooo that'd be perfect, I'll get that. And it works for every command?
limber knotBOT
it works for every properly made program
pallid edge
iamgine getting auto suggestion for 100+ commands/options every time you type 😅
I mean if you don't know any commands and Don't want to always google and learn them by heart it's perfect
pallid edge
it works for every properly made program
Alright perfect!
frank otter
does it use its own format, bash-completions or does it just like scrape man?
limber knotBOT
I don't see how getting an information overload is "perfect"
golden gust
You have heard about man, rite?
native wolf
you guys convinced me to try fish lol
limber knotBOT
pretty sure suggestions are provided by the programs themselves
I personally would recommend zsh but ¯_(ツ)_/¯
golden gust
all the flags!
frank otter
all of them
I'm dissapointed that -* doesnt actually work
oh yeah fish parses manpages I think
pallid edge
I just installed in in termux, typed ssh - and pressed tab
After you entered a flag, then press space and display the command completions, what does it show?
frank otter
uuh
if I press tab on a space nothing
if I put a - to start a new flag it gives me the flags
pallid edge
Hm is there a way to make it show "what can come next"?
limber knotBOT
probably
pallid edge
If I didn't want another flag
limber knotBOT
if not then I doubt it would require any major code change tbh
frank otter
uh the first thing I came across is the fish theming command
if you install omf and then omf (tab) it shows completions
pallid edge
if not then I doubt it would require any major code change tbh
Alright great, imma give linux another try lol. Now just the IDE, do you know any where
(1) scroll doesn't suck
(2) the desktop isn't useless and
(3) when you hover over a browser window on the task bar, it shows you the open tabs like in windows?
pallid edge
if you install omf and then `omf (tab)` it shows completions
just for the omf command?
frank otter
idk I don't use many commands lol
I know systemctl does the same and I imagine most do
iirc you can get completions on like pacman or yay -S (package)
magic river
Oh god I hate that open tab thing
frank otter
might be wrong
limber knotBOT
you mean the DE? As I said: I personally prefer MATE which can probably configured/modified to do previews? otherwise maybe try KDE Plasma, it's one of the most modern (and most Windows-feeling) ones
magic river
afaik nothing supports that in GNOME or KDE
limber knotBOT
tab preview sounds pretty usless though, never seen that on any DE
magic river
They don't want a preview of the window, they want it to treat each tab in the browser as a window, show a preview of each one, and let you use the taskbar to switch between tabs
limber knotBOT
can't imagine how that would work with the normal 100+ tabs lol
magic river
Windows does that with IE and Edge, Firefox has an off by default option to support it
golden gust
yea, that wouldn't be a linux thing as ironically linux is too open 😄
magic river
No idea about Chrome, fuck Chrome
limber knotBOT
I doubt that's the goal, it sounds more like the tabs should be previewd when hovering over the weindow in the taskbar
not that every tab should be a separate tasbar entry
at that point just use separate windows? lol
magic river
Right it's one taskbar entry but you can click on the previews to switch tabs
Windows doesn't show multiple taskbar entries for multiple windows either
It just shows multiple previews
limber knotBOT
it does if you set it up properly lol
who tf would not use proper taskbar entries?!?
pallid edge
Right it's one taskbar entry but you can click on the previews to switch tabs
Tabs sound nice too, but I mostly meant a hover-preview for browser windows. Tabs would probably be too much
limber knotBOT
so nothing specific to the browser