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vague lagoon
viral hornet
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@twin lagoon 🥺

warm anchor
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@twin lagoon AYAYARie

ashen cliff
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Yeah, they keep changing the call sign.

meager tusk
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My bad, bro!

golden gust
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damn, I have it in the BG

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it's really getting intensive

little frost
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ayaya ayaya ayaya ayaya

twin lagoon
warm anchor
worn ember
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Illegal use of Ayaya

warm anchor
worn ember
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TA?

warm anchor
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Yeah I guess

warm anchor
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All I have for dota2

worn ember
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Lmao

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That dark willow one tho

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Is third AM persona?

warm anchor
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Yeah

worn ember
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Nice

quasi valley
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@warm anchor what about the emoji we were talking about today

warm anchor
quasi valley
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I'm waiting

warm anchor
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I will forward this request to my art department EmaBkr

worn ember
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Kenny wants furry art?

warm anchor
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Leaf birthday is coming

worn ember
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I see

magic river
warm anchor
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Nice collection

worn ember
magic river
dusky magnet
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Hi, advise a good plugin from bots

left swift
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no

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online mode true

viscid wedge
magic river
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ooh, PSVR2 is going to be 2000x2040 per eye OLED with HDR, 90Hz

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I wonder if the foveated rendering has any kind of eye tracking or just assumes you won't move your eyes much...

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Oh it does have eye tracking

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lol, and the headset has vibration now

sharp spear
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have there been any base paper adjustments to chunk loading mechanics? entites dont work as intended it seems and the server owner hasnt adjusted anything.

spare venture
spare venture
magic river
still sorrel
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Can someone answer this

void void
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3d printed html blockchains in a bitcoin will be a post-release hangar feature

ashen cliff
dusky magnet
viscid wedge
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???

dusky magnet
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There are a lot of protections against bots on the Internet, I wrote here to hear other people's opinions about some specific resources)

viscid wedge
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You wrote in the wrong channel

left swift
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very well done soup6020!

dapper pumice
viscid wedge
left swift
magic river
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online-mode and either the vanilla anti-vpn option in server.properties or some anti-vpn plugin

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They're basically identical as far as I know, based on some blacklist or another rather than doing any kind of probing

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A lot of bots use rented accounts so the vanilla option should kill those off, assuming it actually works still

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Or you can go die in a fire 🙂

twin lagoon
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no

magic river
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What just happened there?

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Did discord derp or did you delete your message and then send it again?

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Deleted it and sent it again, it seems

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offline mode = ban

warm anchor
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Online mode true, preban any existing known shared account etc.

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If they are actually joining that is

left swift
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just turn off the server and you wont have to worry

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itll be closed in a month anyways

proud lance
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just curious

warm anchor
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Some sites have list that you can get.

pallid edge
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0.02$/click for my minecraft ad in google ads, damn. Pretty cheap I'd say

twin lagoon
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and now the percentage that joins the server

pallid edge
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No clue yet, but imma set up some tracking for that now

lilac moon
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my guess: 1%

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although thats just a random guess

warm anchor
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1% will be too good of a number

lilac moon
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how about 0%

warm anchor
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@pallid edge make sure you go into ad details

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And make sure your negative keyword theme is setup 100% correctly

pallid edge
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that def shouldnt be the #1 keyword lol

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AHhhh I feel bad paying money for those shitters

warm anchor
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You will check it daily for like a month

pallid edge
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So basically I need to put every single one of those bad keywords as an exact match inside the negative keywords?

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I might as well just set the target keyword to exact instead of broad match then

warm anchor
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Otherwise yes you will be paying to get some random people that is less likely than me going out and ask random stranger to join my Minecraft server

lilac moon
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this seems like it will be a cat and mouse game

golden gust
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companies pay people hundreds of thousands a year to deal with this stuff

warm anchor
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Yea

golden gust
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big thing is having the metric and stuff to pick out what works

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i.e. if you could find something to track who clicks in and then joins, it can offer massive pros

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Yea, you can start paying more per click when you tune it down heavily, but, if your clicks get more people in and paying for stuff

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it's all a cat and mouse game of chasing metrics, etc

warm anchor
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There are many ways to go with this but yeah it depends on how you want to approach it

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google also allow you to get ultra focused

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You can set it up so if only serve to certain zip codes so you can target certain demographics that are more likely to do business with you

pallid edge
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hm well I think I had the "English" "18-30" and "Gamer" Demographics which is probably fine.
I'd rather not go too in-depth into all that stuff since it's just for fun, but it would be REALLY cool tracking the amount of joins as well as from which keyboard they come, and then automatically adjusting these keywords

spare venture
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you know I was checking gpu prices because of the 4000 series rumors, something seems off about this

warm anchor
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They missed a 9 there my man

pallid edge
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4 lines above

warm anchor
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$996.99

pallid edge
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do they have 99992 in stock or 16 in stock now?

spare venture
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i’ll buy one and see which one goes down

pallid edge
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lol

warm anchor
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Inb4 it goes up. That would be best twist

spare venture
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the best twist would be actually getting one

warm anchor
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Alright barty that’s asking too much there

pallid edge
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30 days later in the mail: Here is your rtx 3080 sir

magic river
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So I know Elden Ring is an open world game so things are different but I feel like the graphics in it are worse than the Demon's Souls remake

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Worse than Forbidden West too which is also an open world game

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Their lava in the trailer looked like an HD version of something straight out of the PS2 era

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Which is kind of how all their stuff looks, thinking about it

spare venture
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Just looked at some gameplay and it looks like a mid 2010s game at best

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Definitely worse that Demons Souls and Horizon

dire harness
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any reliable random spawn within a certain radius plugin?

lean kiln
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generally I think people use an rtp plugin

lilac moon
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essentials, even

magic river
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TIL even though I've had an ethernet connection to my PS5 since like two weeks after I set it up it hasn't been using it

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I guess I'm an idiot, I assumed plugging it in would be all you needed

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I had to make it forget the wifi network then pick the "Set Up Wired" network instead

spare venture
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lmao

solid siren
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Hi how do u make it so that item frames doesnt disappear when u go far

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I can still see the blocks where i put the item frames but not the itemframes

magic river
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TIL when you connected multiple monitors to a Mac it would disable subpixel antialiasing

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They've removed it entirely now but even when they did have it having more than one monitor made it get disabled

viscid wedge
magic river
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Sony only looks good at software because Nintendo exists

viscid wedge
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True

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They upped their game a bit with the switch though

vernal moth
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weird question, just spotted this code, can somebody try to explain me the attack here?

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why is comparing the bytes time save and normal equals is not?

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oh I think I get it

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equals returns early, thats the timing attack

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man, full paranoia mode on a csrf secret, lmao

ancient bolt
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Yes, timing when certain requests return is one of the more advanced ways of learning more about what you just tried then you really should. The attacks get extremely complex and ridiculous really quickly, but people have found ways of exploiting shit like that

mossy vector
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Hi all! Where can I find the papermc for version 1.12.2? I can't find it on the site. Only the latest versions

primal solar
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All you could need

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wrong channel oops

solid siren
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is it possible to hide barrier hitbox

mossy vector
ruby lion
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@slim nymph can you DM me? i have some questions about JVM Flags

crystal lilyBOT
ashen cliff
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You can just ask here.

tall flame
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does increasing entity-tracking-range cause lag?

ashen cliff
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By itself, no.

tall flame
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what do you mean

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i was planning to set misc to 128 to see item frame far away

ashen cliff
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That will definitely cause performance issues...

ruby lion
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I'm just want asking for JVM Flags. Does ZGC still good at this time and performance of ZGC is better than G1GC?

worn crest
ruby lion
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I'm looking for flag of Waterfall and Backend servers

ashen cliff
worn crest
ashen cliff
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Due to how it works, it's very hardware dependent.

ruby lion
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I don't have experience to use ZGC so i just want to ask for help....

warm anchor
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If you have to ask, stick with aikar’s default. Waterfall has its own which is in #waterfall-help

ashen cliff
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First problem in that case, you are asking Aikar about ZGC. kekwhyper

ruby lion
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Awww

warm anchor
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Pinging people out of blue is also pretty rude

golden gust
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ZGC is a PITA to tweak and much more naunced than G1

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Most people I know who tried to use ZGC looked into it, loved it, wrote a blog post about it, and then switched back to G1

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Shen looks interesting as it's "basically" just a more parallel version of G1

ashen cliff
warm anchor
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At least you wrote a blog post

ashen cliff
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And still use it actually.

warm anchor
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Unlike that one flag page that just put every option in it and claim it’s optimized OMEGALUL

ashen cliff
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I just hate looking at flags at this point.

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People just take Aikars flags, add random BS flags that are default true and have always been...

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Just to call it optimized.

warm anchor
ruby lion
ashen cliff
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It concludes in: Do your own testing.

golden gust
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or theres always the random flags which where true by default when they where added but removed by default because they cause issues with JIT

ashen cliff
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Will it work on Waterfall? Probably, but no point in using it there.

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In my case, I was using it on WF for a long time, till I added Geyser and people started using it...
Then that poor little single core VM couldn't handle it anymore. kekwhyper

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I do have to ask tho. What TF happened? Since everyone is asking about ZGC again.

warm anchor
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Based krusic

ruby lion
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Delete blogs so people doesn't ask again kekwhyper

ashen cliff
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Yeah, no. That would be a bad idea.

warm anchor
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I mean first result is spigot forum if you search for zgc

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I mean first result is spigot forum if you search for zgc

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I mean first result is spigot forum if you search for zgc

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And krusic blog post is linked on reply there

ashen cliff
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I actually know about that.

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Some unnamed PVP network asked me, to get ZGC working for them...
All they had to say was, cost no object. kekwhyper

golden gust
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krusic = literally the worse

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prove me wrong

ashen cliff
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Can't reject facts. kekwhyper

ashen cliff
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79.8%!!

solid siren
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how can i make my admins break block in a adventure world

limber knotBOT
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@solid siren set their gamemode to survival/creative?

ashen cliff
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Not really. Even the dev once said that the water/dice/LN2 section exists just so people don't cry about having bad cards.

ashen cliff
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My R9 390 also had like 60% and it was a beast.

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Even with stock cooling it went far.

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At least voltage did something on those cards. kekwhyper

hearty spear
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Man I remember when like 1.35ghz was fast on my 780

ashen cliff
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Can do like 1530Mhz, if I add a good PSU.

hearty spear
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Of course I don't have any subzero cooling

ashen cliff
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Not even putting the system outside in winter?

hearty spear
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Most I've really do is take a crappy R 240

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Got like a 50 percent OC on it

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Was power limited

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But anyways I was running off the slot

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Well rn it's -12c

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Here so I don't have an issue

ashen cliff
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Well, my stuff is in a basement... with the window open...

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Legit had to mine stuff, so some of the watercooling stuff didn't freeze.

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It do be.

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In my case that super beneficial, because it directly helps heat up the hot water we use. kekwhyper

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It do be like that sometimes.

little quail
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!eta

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.eta

limber knotBOT
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There is no ETA (Estimated Time of Arrival)! Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

little quail
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i come here to get that quote when i needed to send to my directors at work

limber knotBOT
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lol

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I assume you want to send this together with your two weeks notice? ;P

little quail
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its the email before my 2 weeks notice

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we have a 7 day delay in a 4 month project and leadership has their panties up in a bunch

pastel reef
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Is 10GB RAM enough for 100 players?

little quail
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This almost sounds like the eta question 😛

little quail
pastel reef
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15 Chunks Render Distance, 8 Chunks Simulation Distance, Core i5-10210U

little quail
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FYI 15 chunks render is usually way too much for even players to use in their clients

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most people playing MC arent running RTX i9s

worn crest
lament patio
magic river
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Is that the "yet another 14nm skylake" version of 10th gen laptop processors they made for larger and/or cheaper laptops?

ashen cliff
magic river
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I dunno about being enough with a 15 chunk view-distance...

hexed dragon
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pre-3 out but the article not available yet.

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slicedlime has linked pre-2 article on twitter but there are no pre-3 changes.

limber knotBOT
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(DiscordBot) Bugs Are Bad, Mkay? Minecraft Java Edition 1.18.2 Pre-release 3 Is... : Minecraft - 1 comment, 12 points - sliced_lime, 7m ago

vernal moth
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all prereleases have the same link

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so you just ran into caching

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notice how sliced tried to add ?3 add the end to force invalidation

left swift
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minidigger?3

vernal moth
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theres only one true version of me

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I don't need updates; I was created perfect

worn crest
hexed dragon
limber knotBOT
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(DiscordBot) Bugs Are Bad, Mkay? Minecraft Java Edition 1.18.2 Pre-release 3 Is... : Minecraft - 6 comments, 21 points - sliced_lime, 23m ago

vernal moth
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you love to see it, sonarqube LTS refuses to port java 17 support

safe jackal
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Someone is ddosing my server for more than 2 hours. 99% packet loss. I am on hetzner, dedicated server. They wont mitigate it. Maybe someone know what can I do? Any ideas?

ashen cliff
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Configure the firewall to block that traffic.

magic river
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Yeah that doesn't help if they can't even ping it

ashen cliff
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It does. Not the server firewall, but the Hetzner firewall.

safe jackal
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but I dont know how to check what port is attacked

smoky cloud
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Close the ones you aren’t using

safe jackal
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I did it 2 years ago

spare venture
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ask hetzner what to do

smoky cloud
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If someone is attacking your Minecraft port a firewall won’t do much unless you specifically block the attacker

safe jackal
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just tell me what is "source IP" and what is "destination IP"? I just want to allow only my private IP to connect to the server (for a while)

smoky cloud
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Source IP is your IP, destination can be 0.0.0.0

south matrix
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not a marketplace

thin shuttle
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removed thank you

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sorry

left swift
safe jackal
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and how to check what port was being attacked? Logs? How to investigate?

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on Linux

crystal lilyBOT
spare venture
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@magic river elden ring has a 97 on metacritic right now (45 reviews)

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maybe those gameplay videos were misleading haha

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that puts it as the 11th highest rated game of all time

magic river
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People can like the game without the graphics being worth a damn 😛

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Although one complaint I've seen is that the open world gives you little to no idea of where you should be going

spare venture
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10th*

magic river
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So it's very easy to wind up just wandering around aimlessly for a while looking for something to do

spare venture
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interesting

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well, i have to get through horizon first before i look into that game, and horizon looks like it’s gonna occupy me for the next month at least

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if that only got an 89, i’m really curious to see how good elden ring is haha

warm anchor
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Just take a week off work

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You got this barty

spare venture
warm anchor
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Oh damn

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That’s a lot

spare venture
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I’m managing a project that’s being executed right now, can’t really take time off

warm anchor
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Well hopefully they give you the day off you deserve later

spare venture
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yeah I get vacation day in compensation for every weekend day that I work

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have accumulated 5 extra days already this year

warm anchor
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That’s good to know at least phosdorime

left swift
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why u guys executing a project what it do kill someone?

spare venture
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shut up nomana

left swift
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no u

void void
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Does anyone have paper 1.8 that has the log4 exploit fixed?

quasi valley
ripe sphinx
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please for the love of taco leave 1.8 in the 8yo past where it belongs

void void
magic river
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bUT mY PVp!!1

south matrix
unkempt drift
south matrix
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i writing on papper

unkempt drift
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Wow. 6.5 years

void void
unkempt drift
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Scroll down

crystal lilyBOT
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downloads page, scroll down, click legacy.

ripe sphinx
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why not just have that be a link to the legacy page?

magic river
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

ripe sphinx
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ok den

left swift
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amaranth used L

ripe sphinx
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It's very effective!

vernal moth
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Absolutely cursed

sinful lantern
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If i was building a velocity network , with 10 different paper servers on it and lots of plugins what would you guys recommend spec wise

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And about 10 people on each server

worn ember
lilac moon
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just the msdos font

worn ember
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cursed

safe jackal
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I did something like this in hetzner panel. Unfortunatelly, I still have 70% packet loss. Now the server's bandwitch is not overloaded but their (hetzner) switch is

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I want to go to ovh but I can't reach my server to download 1000GB data from it

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how long can ddos attack take?

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it is 6 hours for now

worn ember
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contact hetzner and see if they can mitigate it

still sorrel
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Wtf how did a bumblebee get into my house

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Its winter

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Tf is it even doing inside this country

worn ember
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migrating ofc

still sorrel
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I helped it migrate

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To the after life

lilac moon
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Oh

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Poor bee

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Was it as big as a Minecraft one

still sorrel
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No

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Minecraft doesnt have bumblebees

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Just normal bees

safe jackal
worn ember
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hmm odd

still sorrel
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Why does it take 23 screws to open up my laptop's back

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Jesus christ they really went nuts

worn ember
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to screw you over

lilac moon
still sorrel
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Took me 7 minutes just to put all the screws back in

spare venture
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this is why hetzner is cheaper kekwhyper

lilac moon
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at least their vps service is good

spare venture
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until you get ddosed i guess

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hetzner + tcpshield or cloudflare is probably good

lilac moon
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idk anything about tcpshield

spare venture
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it’s like cloudflare for minecraft

ashen cliff
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You mean OVH? kekwhyper

lilac moon
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interesting

lilac moon
spare venture
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well no, ovh network is definitely better than hetzner but you still need something like cloud flare/tcpshield if you get attacked semi frequently

lilac moon
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does ovh have good built in ddos protection or something

ashen cliff
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... It's kind of what TCPShield is using.

spare venture
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tcpshield isn’t just an ovh vps as a proxy

ashen cliff
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I know, but do you need the rest of the layer 7 stuff?

spare venture
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i definitely do

ashen cliff
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Are you sure?

spare venture
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some jackass was hitting my server every day all summer

lilac moon
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how come

spare venture
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putting the ovh machine into permanent mitigation mode didn’t help at all

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disgruntled banned player

lilac moon
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nice

spare venture
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now i’m safely behind tcpshield and my website is behind cloudflare, haven’t had any downtime since

lilac moon
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Nice

worn ember
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run everything on localhost bro

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best host

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always online

plucky sparrow
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unlike your brain

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100% downtime

worn ember
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sorry people with iq's lower than 35 aren't allowed to talk to me

plucky sparrow
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you can’t talk to yourself?

worn ember
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why would i?

plucky sparrow
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Idk you’re saying people whose iq is lower than 35 (you) are not allowed to talk to you

spare venture
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dap i felt like i had 35 iq trying to read that

safe jackal
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seriously ovh has good ddos protection? I am on hetzner and they do nothing when I am ddosed. Now I am under attack for above 6 hours and nothing. Is OVH handle it better? What do you think?

spare venture
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bro

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read the conversation above haha

safe jackal
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okay

left swift
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bro

worn ember
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brah

golden gust
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bruh

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brah

plucky sparrow
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cat get out

golden gust
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it go down

ashen cliff
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It do go down.

safe jackal
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tcpshield is only for Minecraft port? What about dynamic map port? Or teamspeak? Or rcon port? Or SSH, FTP, VNC, HTTP? They will protect it too?

golden gust
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they do app layer protection for mc

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idk if they do much more

worn ember
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tcpshield is literally in the name, its for the tcp protocol rather than the http protocol

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which is what mc uses

safe jackal
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so it will be useless for me becouse the attacker is not using MC port

worn ember
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port is irrelevant

golden gust
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they sit infront of the connection

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so long as public connections come into that, it will work

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they do only support MC, however

worn ember
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bad name then smh

golden gust
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so, everything else you'd wanna host elsewhere, keep the backend IP secret, etc

worn ember
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mcshield blaze

safe jackal
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my website IP is the same as server MC IP...

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just a domain

golden gust
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cool

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don't do that

worn ember
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well website behind cloudflare, mc server behind tcpshield, would that work? probably right?

safe jackal
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what about SSH and FTP?

golden gust
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well, yea

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Once again

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private IP

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keep it private

worn ember
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dont use default ports

left swift
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keep ur private to urself cat

golden gust
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scanning ports is trivial

worn ember
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you can scan my port any day

left swift
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I already did

safe jackal
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so if I use cloudflare then everyone has to wait 5 seconds before they actually see the webpage?

golden gust
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no

twin lagoon
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only if you get attacked

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there's a million cloudflare websites out there, chances are you haven't gotten a waitign screen on 90% of them

safe jackal
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I have to wait 5 seconds always on spigot page

golden gust
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-.-

twin lagoon
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yes but spigotmc is incompetent

golden gust
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Because spigot configured their site to do that.

worn ember
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probably always has attack mode on lol

safe jackal
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okay, I didnt know

golden gust
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practically every other website hasn't.

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He literally said... "only if you get attacked"

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spigot probs has permanent attack mode on

safe jackal
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now I must calculate what is cheaper. If "hetzner + cloudflare + tcpshield" or just ovh

twin lagoon
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cloudflare is free

golden gust
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cf is free for websites

safe jackal
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wow

left swift
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tcpshield costs money?

golden gust
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OVHs anti-ddos is good for traditional attacks but useless against app specific ones

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hence, tcpshield, etc, etc

safe jackal
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cloudflare can protect something like this too? "domain.com:8123"? (example)

twin lagoon
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no

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use a reverse proxy

void void
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Cloudflare does proxy a couple of non-80/443 ports though

golden gust
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only http/s-alt iirc

safe jackal
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everything sounds great but my server's IP is not secret since 2019. I am wondering if I can change dedicated server's IP on hetzner

golden gust
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ask them

safe jackal
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so if someone would check my server's IP adress (for example "ping mydomain.com") then what he would see?

twin lagoon
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a cloudflare ip

safe jackal
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okay

spare venture
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yeah the point is that they never see your IP so when they ddos the server, they’re attacking cloud flare or tcpshield, not you. no other avenue of attack since they don’t know the IP

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however you have to be smart and not give out the IP in any way

merry talon
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If you route everything through a tunnel you don't need to have to accept traffic on that IP at all if you're really concerned

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not sure if tcpshield supports that, but cf does for free and there are options like tailscale for ssh and such

twin lagoon
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cloudflare has stuff for SSH

#

tcpshield doesn't have tunneling but cosmicguard does

safe jackal
#

tcpshield would cost me 100$ monthly becouse my monthly bandwith is 3-4TB... So it is more expensive than dedicated in ovh

left swift
#

tf

merry talon
#

I don't believe your server uses that much bandwidth

safe jackal
#

100 players

left swift
#

what the hell you doing that's making your server use 3-4TB a month

twin lagoon
#

minecraft easily uses multiple terabytes

quasi valley
#

ur a terabyte

twin lagoon
#

3 - 4tb is already low for 100 players

#

@quasi valley ur mom

south matrix
#

hmm no i dont think so kenmy

left swift
merry talon
#

oh okay well in that case I think $100 is reasonable for a server of that size

twin lagoon
#

if you have 100 players, $100 shouldn't be too big of an issue

safe jackal
spare venture
#

yeah i’m using a few hundred gb for an average of 15 players haha

#

so that makes sense

#

it looks like he cropped out the month axis

worn ember
#

yess 300GB/s

south matrix
#

3 TB/s*

worn ember
safe jackal
#

monthly

left swift
safe jackal
#

I heard that tcpshield just use ovh antiddos. So better is to just buy ovh dedic

worn ember
golden gust
#

no

#

they do more than that

#

as we've literally said

#

If you're gonna ask questions please actually read our answers

safe jackal
#

sorry

left swift
#

dedgif

safe jackal
#

maybe I limit slots to keep bandwith usage below 2.5TB

spare venture
#

tcpshield is app specific and does a lot more

#

or just pay the money dude if you have 100 players on average you should be raking it in

safe jackal
#

I am spending all on advertising

#

and 66 euros in hetzner

worn ember
#

just make tiktoks kappa

twin lagoon
#

if you have 100 players and you can't afford $100

#

you're doing things wrong

thin shuttle
#

@safe jackal Can you share please spec's of server ?

safe jackal
#

specs? You mean dedicated specs?

thin shuttle
#

ye pls

left swift
#

dds specs

safe jackal
#

i7-8700 + 128GB RAM DDR4

#

1TB SSD

thin shuttle
#

nice thank you

left swift
#

for 66 euros?

#

sheesh

safe jackal
#

ovh has ryzen 5 3600X in similar price

twin lagoon
#

excluding setup fees

thin shuttle
#

OS: Ubuntu 20.04.3 LTS x86_64
CPU: AMD EPYC 7282 - 8 @ 2.794GHz
Memory: 30100MiB
DC: Dusseldorf, Nemecko
HDD: 400 GB (100% NVMe)
Port: 600 Mbit/s

for 20e

safe jackal
#

I will take it for 12 months so I will get it for free (I dont have to pay all cost at once, just monthly)

golden gust
#

epyc

#

I mean

#

if you're hosting a web server

twin lagoon
#

yeah that server is shit

worn ember
#

HDD 400GB 100% NVME thonk

thin shuttle
#

ye ty

safe jackal
#

i7-8700 vs ryzen 5 3600X for MC server? What do you think? On cpu benchmark these cpus are similar (single core very similar)

left swift
#

I prefer my hdd 60% nvme

thin shuttle
#

😄

twin lagoon
#

KRUSIC!

ashen cliff
#

BRO.

thin shuttle
#

😄

left swift
#

jroy offline

#

u know what that means

void void
#

EssentialsX is not being developed at the moment

thin shuttle
left swift
golden gust
#

I've seen cases where ryzens do great

#

I've seen cases where they suck ass for seemingly 0 reason

#

inb4 hosts are cheaping out on ram

ashen cliff
#

Just make sure to do random BS with the cache, just to get the best possible performance out of it. kekwhyper

thin shuttle
#

so you need on paper 128 gb for 100 player /

twin lagoon
#

no

#

you don't

left swift
#

lol

thin shuttle
#

😄

#

why so much ram

ashen cliff
#

You need like 10Gb. kekwhyper

left swift
#

1gb for every player bro!

safe jackal
#

no, I have few subservers and one lobby (hub)

thin shuttle
#

oh ok

safe jackal
#

12GB is good for 60 players on one server 1.18 on survival, 10GB is not enought

golden gust
#

I mean, depends on your server

#

I've seen servers on 8G of ram doing that just fine

thin shuttle
#

... oh my

south matrix
#

oh crumpets

thin shuttle
#

thank you for g8 info

vernal moth
#

Who here remembers #1649?

#

I need confirmation that I am not the only one still having nightmares about that cursed thing

limber knotBOT
#

is that the 1.7 hack build number?

#

*protocol hack

vernal moth
#

It was the golden jar, the last spigot jar before DMCA, that you needed to binary patch

#

So yes

limber knotBOT
#

oh, right, that's what the number was refering to

golden gust
#

I was so busy with work at the time

#

I think I patched like 3 jars in total, tops

#

and just never touched much

vernal moth
#

I went down memory lane and remember spout forums

#

Craftbukkit++, craftbukkit--, etc

#

Like, that was 2012

#

Am so fucking old

true canyon
#

Remember how much more toxic things were back then? I'm happy we've moved past those times.

vernal moth
#

The craftbukkit-- spout forum page was so cursed

#

md was already quite the character back then

true canyon
#

Not all 14 year olds are nice all the time 🤣

vernal moth
#

Hey, 10 years later, am 24 and still an asshole, lol

left swift
#

I thought you were german

limber knotBOT
#

stop making me feel old

vernal moth
#

Phoenix is so old, he prolly started with hmod

limber knotBOT
#

😅

lilac moon
#

gmod

ruby lion
#

With 5GB RAM for Paper 1.18.1 how much member i can have?

left swift
#

60000

ruby lion
#

Im usinv Dedicated Server

left swift
#

120000

golden gust
#

roll a 2 dice

limber knotBOT
#

but yes, I ran an hmod server lol

golden gust
#

dice 1 * dice 2

#

otherwise

#

how long is a piece of string?

true canyon
#

Missing the good ol' days of hmod. Things were simpler (and a complete mess) back then!

vernal moth
#

I still remember how angry I was when beta 1.7 released and the notch pistons were worse than the piston mod pistons

#

Like, I was pissed

left swift
vernal moth
#

Piston mod pistons were so cool

limber knotBOT
#

never used that mod tbh lol

limber knotBOT
#

I'm still mad minecart boosters were patched though :(

vernal moth
#

Uff

left swift
#

minecart rails and boat elevators

limber knotBOT
#

broke my whole singleplayer world lol

ashen cliff
#

Good times.

lilac moon
#

that means 1 meter

ashen cliff
#

Still remember trying to install mods on 1.5.2, failed, clicked force update, tried again and while I was doing that 1.6 dropped. kekwhyper

golden gust
#

1.7.1

#

1.7.2

#

1.7.3....

vernal moth
#

Modding was such a mess

golden gust
#

remember to delete meta-inf!

vernal moth
#

Take this random class file and drop it into your jar, what could go wrong

ashen cliff
#

Make sure to delete the meta file.

vernal moth
#

Pain and suffering endured when two mods patched the same class

golden gust
#

tryna figure out the correct order to install mods so that the correct versions of classes are loaded cos two mods replace the same file and one tried to add support for the other

vernal moth
#

Or remember ID clashes?

ashen cliff
#

Peek MC

vernal moth
#

Thumblr Launcher was best

#

The java one with the changelog

ashen cliff
#

That one still works I think.

safe jackal
#

monthly traffic in one hour, someone must hate my server very much

ruby lion
#

Anyone can help me. How much RAM i need for 100 players in 1.18.1 server?

vernal moth
golden gust
#

We don't know how much ram YOU need for your server in a specific scenario

ashen cliff
golden gust
#

probs go for like 10G of ram, and increase if needed

south matrix
golden gust
#

but, your CPU is gonna be the bottleneck, not the ram

ruby lion
#

I using Intel Core i5-12500 with 12 Cores and 16 Threads

golden gust
#

12 cores and 16 threads

ruby lion
#

What happened?

golden gust
#

you have 6 cores

#

12 CPU threads

vernal moth
#

Welcome to the future cat

ashen cliff
vernal moth
#

The efficiency cores don't have hyper threading

ashen cliff
#

Thank you Internet.

golden gust
#

that CPU doesn't have those cores

#

at least not according to intels spec sheet

vernal moth
#

Isn't it 12th gen?

golden gust
#

Yes, but i5

ashen cliff
#

0 eff cores. kekwhyper

left swift
#

1 core for every player

golden gust
#

i9 has eff cores

vernal moth
#

I don't keep up with Intel until I need to worry about a new cpu again, lol

lilac moon
golden gust
#

and apparently that's still kinda bork

#

unless that was fixed in the past month or so

vernal moth
#

Why would they only roll them out top of. The line when they make most sense for laptops

lilac moon
#

i still have yet to m8igrate my mc account to microsodft

golden gust
#

it's a desktop chip

#

they generally shove new features in the higher end chips and then roll them down towards the lower gens a few gens or so down the line

vernal moth
ruby lion
#

i5 12th would be great for MC servers?

golden gust
#

i3 sups like 29 watts on base vs the i9s 65w

ruby lion
#

I have 1 PC running i5-12500 and 1 Laptop i5-12500H and using Laptop to hosting MC servers because it have 12 Cores for Laptop unlike Desktop is 6 Cores

#

But i dont know does ECore may affected MC Servers?

golden gust
#

e cores are irrelevant for mc

ruby lion
#

Eww

golden gust
#

according to mc's spec sheet you don't even have ecores

#

oh, the mobile chip does

#

which, it's a mobile chip

ruby lion
#

Idk because my server is smaller just have 20 30 players

#

I running in Laptop

safe jackal
#

someone know why nethogs on ssh shows it:

#

but netdata shows it:

ruby lion
#

Tps always 19-20 with over 60 plugins

golden gust
#

?

#

?

#

I'm guessing because you're not running it with the correct privs

safe jackal
#

I mean on nethogs I have few kilobytes per seconds and on nethogs I have 950mbps

golden gust
#

either that or it espects to know where stuff is going

#

whereas the source that netdata is pulling from doesn't care

#

or maybe nethogs is looking at the wrong interface

#

etc, etc, etc

#

oh, ? is for outgoing

safe jackal
#

is it normal?

#

UDP errors

golden gust
#

errors

#

I mean, errors are generally never normal

safe jackal
#

"UDP packets arrive destined for a port where no program is listening."

ashen cliff
#

DNS reflection attack?

twin lagoon
#

Just block UDP bro.

ashen cliff
#

Exactly.

safe jackal
#

can I do it via ufw?

golden gust
#

I mean, yea?

#

as for if it's effective there, 🤷‍♂️

#

the internet is a set of pipes

#

the pipe to your DCs much bigger than the pipe to your box

#

flooding your pipe is much easier than theirs, but, i don't recall if hetzner had much in terms of firewalls themselves

lilac moon
#

idk aobut dedicated server but for cloud vps they have a stateless firewall you can enable

ashen cliff
safe jackal
#

I will try with it: "iptables -A INPUT -p udp -j DROP"

golden gust
#

I mean, bearing that DNS uses UDP by default, eer

safe jackal
#

MC server too, right?

golden gust
#

wat

lilac moon
#

java edition is tcp

safe jackal
#

okay

frank otter
#

wait dns is udp?

golden gust
#

yes

lilac moon
#

are there any symptoms of the udp errors

frank otter
#

damn that's uhh funky

safe jackal
#

so my domain just stop working, right?

lilac moon
#

because if not i would personally say its probably not something worth worrying about

golden gust
#

uses UDP but apparently it falls back to TCP when the response is too large

lilac moon
#

udp is pretty impportant

frank otter
#

I mean I guess dns is fairly like speed important

#

didn't think it would warrant udp by default tho

safe jackal
#

I only want to disable udp for a while

charred sleet
#

ok so i haven’t ever really looked at web servers. if i buy a domain name what does that do? and then if i get a vps or something how do i run that vps on that domain name? do i point the domain at the ip of the vps? if someone could explain or point me at resources that would be nice 🤩

golden gust
#

it's a name

#

you create records on said name that points to other stuff

safe jackal
#

I can use IP address

#

for a while

golden gust
#

Please learn basic networking

#

your domain name will work

#

as it's not hosted by your server, unless you're doing a stupid

#

what will fail is shit like plugins tryna connect to other websites

safe jackal
golden gust
#

UDP is the primary mechanism

#

idk when exactly TCP comes into play, I don't think that it was the default for any client but idc

#

glhf

frank otter
safe jackal
#

I hope that I will not block myself to access to my dedicated blocking a udp...

frank otter
#

does ssh tcp

golden gust
#

yes

#

udp for ssh would be arse

frank otter
#

TCP, it seems yeah

lilac moon
golden gust
#

I never wanna host DNS servers again

#

I used to work for somebody years ago who did the whole cpanel thing

#

in the ideal setup you basically needed to shove your own DNS servers up, and it's one of those things people always neglect, so I think both of the DNS servers where literally VMs on the same box

#

But, it is fun, cPanel gives you a discount if you host under a hypervisor 😄

proud lance
#

not even necessary anymore when you can use cloudflare or route53 for cheaper than it would be for the power alone

pallid edge
#

Current state of the web

golden gust
#

lol

lilac moon
#

hey i wanna read that article

#

it clickbaited me

golden gust
#

"why does everybody wanna use adblock?!"

lilac moon
#

i am a big docker fan

golden gust
#

I've said it before and i'll say it again

#

if advertisers and website hosts weren't asses very few would give enough shits to run adblock

safe jackal
#

I did sth like this in hetzner firewall

pallid edge
#

Lol yeah, I'd be fine with one normal sized advert which doesn't take 20 seconds to load, then shifts the entire layout and auto plays some weird screaming sounds

lilac moon
#

and then opens a popup for the oldsletter

pallid edge
#

Only issue, I've seen more and more websites switch to paid articles which I'm not a fan of as well, but oh well

proud lance
#

pop up ads should be illegal

#

like that one that loads from the side

pallid edge
#

Agreed

golden gust
#

paid ads and "woman finds the secret to pooping regularly! find out more now!"

proud lance
#

clearly cat wants those banned because he keeps clicking on them

pallid edge
#

Also that's the worst possible cookie banner I've ever seen. "Do not sell my personal info". Their cookie acceptance rates must be horrible lol

proud lance
#

lmao, I noticed that

golden gust
#

I just want the magical fix 😦

proud lance
#

the irony

#

the magical fix is get more fiber in your diet

lilac moon
#

eat fiber cables

golden gust
#

god, I remember the first sorta like things

#

customise button

#

every site enabled by default

#

some of the sites must of had like 200 partners

proud lance
#

you mean the gdpr compliance banners?

#

with accept all

golden gust
#

the cookie things, yea

#

accept all, customise, etc

lilac moon
#

ive found a lot of sites luckily have a button for "only necessary" instead of having to uncheck every box

proud lance
#

until everything is "only necessary"

#

sir, we need that cookie to track your health of your bowel movements

lilac moon
#

they want to track the cookie through your digestive tract

pallid edge
safe jackal
#

Now IT IS WORKING! I mitigated ddos myself, thanks a lot! No packet loss!

golden gust
#

I mean, it's the ad networks

#

the ad networks just serve up other peoples stuff

#

it's why malware used to be so bloody rampant

#

because the ad networks wouldn't validate much stuff and so you'd have ad networks partnering with others who don't validate stuff much and so more viruses then pokemon situ

left swift
#

what do u mean

#

GIRLS!!! you need this suction vibrator 😍 😍 🥰 🥰 😍 🤪

warm anchor
#

I felt safer pre 2000 when I had to download some random patch for a game before steam was a thing than clicking any ad nowadays

left swift
#

you mitigated the ddos by closing udp

#

nice

golden gust
#

The "Download" ad button

#

god any site owner which has such ads on their site should be shot

proud lance
#

I blame google for that

warm anchor
pallid edge
#

I haven't seen those in quite a while now

proud lance
#

They still exist, especially on download software sites

left swift
#

theres an ad download site that still has that isnt there

#

not mediafire iirc

proud lance
#

theres a ton of them

pallid edge
proud lance
#

I dont want to mention them though because that shit is cancer

left swift
#

downloading anything without adblock is just asking for trouble

warm anchor
#

The shadier the site the more likely to get those now

lilac moon
#

adfly?

golden gust
#

theres libraries for it which probs links towards the ad networks, etc

pallid edge
proud lance
#

adfly I think does you the decency of actually putting download at the top

lilac moon
#

all i know is ublock origin is able to block all the adfly ads and let me skip instantly

left swift
#

theres one that has that ad download button center page and the download button for the actual thing doesnt pop up until 5 seconds later

proud lance
#

speaking of shitty ads, ads that play at the start of videos is a shitty practice and guaranteed that I wont buy your product

pallid edge
left swift
#

unless ur on some shittop which is basically what they target anyways

pallid edge
tropic flame
#

they try to impend this sense of urgency when in fact i feel none

proud lance
#

its why I dont really watch anything on there anymore

pallid edge
#

Ah fukin twitch, it's so damn annoying

#

Even the ad blocker doesn't block it for some reason

left swift
#

twitch turbo is worth sucks that u feed their habits for it though

proud lance
#

gotta watch 30 seconds of ads per streamer before you even see the content

true canyon
#

This conversation is brought to you by buy ray con dot com slash papermc.

left swift
#

paperchan is now in raid shadow legends

pallid edge
warm anchor
golden gust
#

a part of it's brand recognition

true canyon
#

oh

#

I FORGOT TODAY WAS THE DAY YAY

twin lagoon
#

@true canyon

warm anchor
twin lagoon
golden gust
#

if you see somebody all over the place you're gonna know who they are vs the chinesium brand you've never heard of, so to speak

warm anchor
#

I’ve gotten to a point that if I see a product that sponsor many YT video

true canyon
warm anchor
#

I automatically assume it’s mediocre at best

pallid edge
pallid edge
#

Not shitty VPNs, but I've seen some interesting products

golden gust
#

Yea, I've clicked the odd link or whatever to go look at something to see what it is as it sounded interesting

#

anything like raid, etc, idc

#

sponsorblock go brr

true canyon
#

@warm anchor blast off is no longer self-lethal! 😦

pallid edge
true canyon
#

Revenant's Brooch sounds fantastic, can't wait to hurt people with it.

warm anchor
#

Yeah a lot of changes. Jungle update again PepeLa

trim steeple
#

how can I see entity uuid?

#

this is an unmodded client, but I have op on this paper server

twin lagoon
#

./data get entity

trim steeple
# twin lagoon ./data get entity

is there any way to use it as "point and click"? some entities got cloned after a crash so there are multiple entities with the same uuid i think

golden gust
#

essentials powertool? 🤷‍♂️

trim steeple
#

it certainly would look as if they got cloned... however identical-looking horses have different health values.

wraith trail
#

two entities can't have the same uuid

#

if they do collide for some reason they will be deleted/regenerated and logged

spare venture
#

entities getting duplicated is indicative of the server not shutting down correctly

trim steeple
#

so it looks like there's no way to keep both entities and assign a new uuid to a conflicting one?

#

at minimum some will be deleted?

wraith trail
#

the default will regen if the entities are more than 32 blocks away

wraith trail
#

yes

trim steeple
#

ok that is good to know

wraith trail
#

but that isn't the case here, as they are all close together

merry talon
trim steeple
#

lol

#

those cloned(?) horses may date back to an earlier version of paper where uuid collisions were handled differently idk

#

it looks like I don't have any new clones so that's good

magic river
#

lol, there is a group in Horizon Forbidden West that use wifi signal strength icons as their symbol for rankings

blissful badge
#

64

magic river
#

I could probably get to the end in one session if I raced through the main story

#

My total completion is like 50% but I think I'm like 70% done with the story?

#

Assuming it ends how I think it does

cinder coyote
#

how to get a good plugin

spare venture
#

my completion is 21% and i thought i had put a lot of time in it lmao

magic river
#

Pretty sure I have like 40-50 hours

spare venture
#

oh yeah i have like 20

magic river
#

I got that on Friday 😛

spare venture
#

well officially 21 hours but like 7 of it was leaving my ps5 on

#

💀

#

i have had it since friday as well

magic river
#

I don't actually know how to see how much time I've spent

#

No no, I mean I got 20 hours on Friday

spare venture
#

it’s in statistics

#

oh my god

#

i wish i had the time to do that haha

#

like i said if this game is an 89 and elden ring is a 97… damn

magic river
#

Started at around 4am, had some down time to do some work stuff and eat and such, ended at around 5am Saturday

spare venture
#

i’m surprised it only got an 89, it’s zero dawn but better in every way, significantly

#

and zero dawn got an 89

magic river
#

It lost some for being complicated

spare venture
#

the weapons and skill tree are a little more convoluted and less action rpg

magic river
#

It was Zero Dawn+ and Zero Dawn already had a lot going on for controls

spare venture
#

weapons definitely are more annoying

#

however cutscenes and animations are top

magic river
#

Even side quest stuff is all mocap

true canyon
#

I'm doing zero dawn now so that in a few years I can either get a ps5 or it comes to pc

magic river
silver nexus
#

The CNN team on the ground is hearing several loud explosions near Kyiv, the capital of Ukraine.

#

yikes

#

stay safe everyone

spice ether
#

🇺🇦

spare venture
#

but forbidden west had a lot of side quests… fully animated

#

not very common in games

#

has me excited for new gen of games

magic river
#

Zero Dawn even the main missions weren't full mocap, just facial

#

So they looked really stiff

spare venture
#

that was the main difference i noticed. it’s so good that i don’t skip any dialogue

magic river
#

lol, apparently Miyazaki puts poison swamps in games as a reflex, basically

#

He can't help it, he sits down to design a world and they just appear

#

heh, this is twice now a Horizon game has been released a week before what is apparently a groundbreaking critically acclaimed open world game that will probably drown them out

#

(first time was Breath of the Wild)

spare venture
#

yeah zero dawn didn’t get that much attention

true canyon
#

I'm giving it hours of attention now! ❤️

magic river
#

Sirens going off in Kyiv

#

Dunno if that's air raid sirens or just general emergency but yeah

spare venture
#

that’s really sad

limber knotBOT
#

air raid sirens Amaranth

grim island
#

ever wake up to hear your friend's cities getting bombed

dusk drift
#

Ukraine posting memes wtf

glad kelp
#

ain't no way

grim island
#

I mean, they aren't wrong

#

you know who started bombing at 4 and who's bombing now at 5-7

magic river
#

Putin says he is invading to clear the Nazis out of Ukraine (aka taking down the government in Kyiv) so that's an interesting choice of meme

#

US network (OTA) TV cutting off their late night shows or whatever to talk about this stuff now too

golden gust
#

generally, yea

void void
#

Who else is HYPED for Custom Potion Mixes?!

golden gust
#

custom recipes, yes, at least from what I sawded

void void
#

Considering Brewing is the only feature we cant change with datapacks, this is HUGE

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Well just have Auxilor make EcoPotions and Minecraft will have custom everything

worn crest
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Actually never used positions

worn ember
proud lance
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damn I take a nap and russia destroys ukraines military bases

worn ember
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Careful you'll wake jroy

vernal moth
golden gust
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Caricature

vernal moth
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Why did google translate not give me that, smh

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But yeah a caricature is much different to a dum meme generally, lol

golden gust
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I just googled the german word and google was just like, oh! i kno dis!

worn crest
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Oh No that rabbit

south matrix
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that ain't no rabbit

static badge
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that rabbit fucking deserved it

worn crest
proud lance
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SpottedSeagull

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whats the biggest thing a seagull has ever eaten I wonder

golden gust
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seagulls are assholes

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so, who knows

worn crest
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The relation between the seagull and the rabbit is weird. Thought the size difference was different

void void
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Goodbye sweet PaperMC people 💖

vernal moth
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Mmh?

worn crest
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He left

vernal moth
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They left

south matrix
magic river
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This is not an airport - you do not have to announce your departure

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I need to remember this so I can whip it out on trolls 🙂

proud lance
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he took a paper plane out of this discord

vernal moth
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That's a good one amaranth

grim island
vernal moth
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They prolly left before they get banned here, since they got banned from different servers for being a Russian troll

red timber
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lol

grim island
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lol

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when I hear russian trolls I always think of russian trolls (aka kremlin bots) from social media

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but I don't think they use discord.. yet

ashen cliff
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They do.

grim island
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oh

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wonder what they pricings are

vernal moth
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They definitely do, lol

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And it's not all bots, it's humans too that are paid to do it

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"troll farms"

grim island
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there's a common way to reply to them ‘+15 roubles’ [what they supposedly earn per comment]

vernal moth
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No need to mock sad individuals like that

grim island
golden gust
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biorobots be like "do you taste metal?"

grim island
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and also there's no point no to mock them, you just say +15, and move on, talking with them is worthless since that precisely what they're working for

vernal moth
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you ignore them

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do you want to be mocked for working at a fast food restaurant?

queen phoenix
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If I have something like 6 minecraft servers how many cores should I use? Do minecraft servers use different cores?

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I want to buy a VPS but do not know what CPU to choose

golden gust
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I mean

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2 cares is generally the slated minimum these days

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but, that doesn't exactly follow for when you get to scaling cos stuff varies out

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at the point at which you're hosting 6 servers you more want a dedi rather than a VPS

queen phoenix
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Yeah if I go to dedi

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And I want 6 servers

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1 bungee

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2 lobbies

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Rest are games

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Server will prolly have around 100 player

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How many cores should it be?

red timber
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64

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or if you can, 256

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more the merrier

queen phoenix
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?????

proud lance
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Nobody is gonna be able to answer that question, get 6-8 and adjust if needed

queen phoenix
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Ok

proud lance
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Nobody here is going to be able to predict how some random server will perform

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But if you are going to run 6 servers you will need a lot of RAM, so you can give each instance its own amount and they dont overlap

queen phoenix
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Okok

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Thx

grim island
vernal moth
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is it tho? lol