if you have other questions, use the appropriate channel #paper-help
#general
quasi valley
limber knotBOT
enable anti xray mode 2, if they lag tell them it's their fault for xraying in the first place
real saddle
ok
languid karma
Don't spawn any ores
They can't x-ray if there are no ores
real saddle
\π
left swift
kenny changed
worn crest
Not really.
glass crag
I've seen a few servers that do
I think it's only a legal requirement in China? Could be wrong though
worn crest
I mean big servers don't have that.
spare venture
be the change you want to see
worn crest
If they see the chance is low for the item the player wants. He don't buy it.
vernal moth
It's basic human decency
Any gambling elements should have the chances listed
More and more countries are making this a regal requirement
limber knotBOT
glances at trading card boosters
glass crag
Allowed? What? π
ashen cliff
Why not?
glass crag
Sign me up
vernal moth
What's wrong with being girly? Other than enforcing dum stereotypes
ashen cliff
We have a MC server just filled with copyrighted books and magnet links, is that allowed?
vernal moth
Oh that would be so cool
A sci hub Minecraft server
Granting access to the knowledge of the human race
ashen cliff
There is one like that, but that's for politics AFAIK.
void void
It's the banned library iirc
ashen cliff
Yes, that.
void void
not just you
limber knotBOT
pretty sure the site is not actually scrolling
it's some fancy javascript stuff
tl;dr: is to get better hardware
(because it's not lagging for me π )
vernal moth
No it is scrolling
Well, depends what you call scrolling I guess
The sections are translated up if you scroll down π
Mmh, I wish I could disable JS after loading, pretty sure it would still somewhat work
But yeah, using that website without hardware acceleration is gonna be a bad time since they use webgl for the 3d stuff
limber knotBOT
well middle click doesn't work for scrolling this is pretty annyoing lol
dapper escarp
Guys I need some feedback. What do you think about the stone palette I chose? Is it too much or any other suggestions?
limber knotBOT
why are you using concrete? 
the complete smooth texture just throws it off imo. just use stone
dapper escarp
why are you using concrete? <:thonk:463842968097521675>
Idk I just threw stuff in there that kind of has the colour of stone xd
knotty oasis
it goes for the mobile game aesthetic
hoary skiff
it looks like it's using perlin noise too, which for stone coloring kinda throws it off
limber knotBOT
either make everything smooth or don't have it if it's supposed to be stone. but don't mix and match imo
hoary skiff
it's moving away from realistic inspired terrain, to more game like
limber knotBOT
I personally prefer a combination out of clean stone, andesite and gravel
dapper escarp
I personally prefer a combination out of clean stone, andesite and gravel
hold on a sec
hoary skiff
@dapper escarp if it IS using perlin noise, you can get some tips from Henrik, he recently went over step by step how the terrain gen works, really insightful: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSa5O6knuwI
dapper escarp
wow you're the first one that recognised him
vernal moth
Is that hard to recognize?
I do recognize that too
I just didn't feel it's worth pointing out, lol
dapper escarp
<@!297744623999123457> if it IS using perlin noise, you can get some tips from H...
I just used the #simplex from worldedit to mix in more than one block
Well then its because no one of my friends give a shit about the beatles or stuff from that time in general xD
dapper escarp
ye
vernal moth
He wrote the game test framework
But he's coming from an agile coach background iirc
He did stuff at Spotify
Ye
What they use for integration testing
He has a video on that too it's pretty cool
And I convinced Mojang to allow us to use it too
Oh to his video
hoary skiff
He's also ADHD iirc
vernal moth
hoary skiff
omg minidigger, didn't realize you had fixed game test framework
I had seen decomp errors and assumed it was unreachable for modders
I gotta test this out
hoary skiff
It's basically full integration testing
vernal moth
Ye
hoary skiff
with tick control
vernal moth
It's really important and I would argue it improved the stability of the game
hoary skiff
E.g. say if your plugin has cooldowns, or animations, and you need to test to make sure a corner case doesn't come back
you can define the test case, setup a schematic, and assert results
and do the exact ticking you need
vernal moth
Explaining how people test software to plugin devs is really hard
Lol
But in the real world, you wanna cover every single non trivial line of code by tests
limber knotBOT
I mean, testing in general is usually not something done in the game dev world π
hoary skiff
Have you seen a decent mocking framework ?
vernal moth
That's what they do in team city
golden gust
I mean, part of the horror is that mocking is generally a flaw of design
vernal moth
Start a server and run the tests
hoary skiff
Aaron tried it once for Sponge, but no one implemented the tests, made me sad. the Cause system really, really, REALLY needed integration tests to take off
for version stability
vernal moth
Mocking using a lib means you failed to design your software properly
Good architecture means you can mock just by using interfaces
hoary skiff
Right, but my issue is I rarely know how bukkit is 'supposed' to behave with just looking at the JD
hoary skiff
so unit testing for plugins is near useless
golden gust
Well, I mean, that's part of the flaw especially when it comes into plugins
limber knotBOT
ChestShop actually has some unit tests for parsing π
golden gust
you basically start writing mobs asserting what the behavior of craftbukkit, and by extention, vanilla is
I've written tests before for contained systems especially for the purpose of rewriting stuff and tryna retain behavior
vernal moth
That's something I came up with, the JS stuff
hoary skiff
@void void Some of it is in the game, but it looks like a whole bunch of it got ripped out by proguard.
thus why minidigger made the library
golden gust
But, you specifically gotta cater your design or pull out stuff in order for effective unit tests inside of plugins
vernal moth
Mojang just has the tests in src/test/java I would assume
hoary skiff
it used to, regularly
vernal moth
<@456226577798135808> Some of it is in the game, but it looks like a whole bunch...
No longer, since I asked Mojang to not do it, they have disabled proguard code stripping fully
hoary skiff
β€οΈ
vernal moth
I just asked for the game test framework and they just went, meh, just have everything ^^
hoary skiff
probably just classes strewn between src/main and src/test then
vernal moth
Well yeah test code isn't part of the jar that would be silly
dapper escarp
I think thats my final block palette. It has that bit of marble in it which I think looks kinda nice
hoary skiff
Yeah that's much better
feels like a flatter sonic green hills a bit, or zelda
like wind waker, or psomething
dapper escarp
feels like a flatter sonic green hills a bit, or zelda
thats up to everyones interpretation xD
hoary skiff
@void void You gotta remember, this is 'just' stone
it's not necessarially supposed to be the eye catching bit
dapper escarp
I might get a slightly darker touch in on the cliffs near the water. Have to take a look into that later
hoary skiff
Nah, I wouldn't change it. But I would vary it by biome
What's the biggest code base you have worked with?
hoary skiff
It's the team environment that gets me
vernal moth
Oh I don't understand all side effects in my own code either, lmao
hoary skiff
unless every dev, reviews every commit, your doomed to changing something someone is relying on, even if you are a 'perfect' dev which no one is
vernal moth
How am I supposed to know what I wrote 5 years ago
vernal moth
Code devs? Like 20?
hoary skiff
seen the credits lately?
vernal moth
There are 10 that I know on the top of my head by name
golden gust
that's the naunce though, how often do you do something which is like a one line trivial fix which ends up causing some change elsewhere
chunk border lag is not a trivial issue
vernal moth
And many that don't appear publicly
golden gust
where?
hoary skiff
They can't possibly out compete the entire modding community, + unless they sign a CLA...
vernal moth
It's not that easy, they can't just pull in the code, because they have other quality standards
golden gust
last I saw was mostly mitigations and there are legal implications of copying code from the issue tracker
vernal moth
Like even when we submit code to Mojang they don't always use it 1:1
hoary skiff
Speaking of, can someone convince them to fix the wither detector not doing it's job
vernal moth
More often than not they just take it as inspiration to understand the issue and apply a slightly different fix
hoary skiff
BlockPatternWhateverIt'sCalled simply doesn't iterate over the blocks it think it shoudl
golden gust
- that's an over-simplifaction of the way legalities work
vernal moth
And we explicitly licence our changes as MIT for Mojang
golden gust
code is focused on the flow and behavior, not the line by line
- Most of the fixes mitigate issues, not exactly fixing the underlying issues
hoary skiff
other benefit of obfuscation = all those comments about stackoverflow answers don't appear π
vernal moth
Since when are comments retained in the jar?
golden gust
the real fix here is to basically replace the lighting system so that it's not slow as balls
but, ofc, that's a good chunk of effort
and then they've also gotta deal with the bad accesses which was causing the stalls
etc
hoary skiff
I'd be keen to see the gitblame tbh, I wonder what gnembom and Panda get up to
wish I knew why this was wontfix
I probably explained it badly
or explained the only logical solution, blocking them from a 1 line fix, legally
hoary skiff
Yeah I'm aware
it's also exposed in command arguments
But AFAIK they convert it at compile time, and if it's anything like the way they handled other baked in resources, they are quite happy to write their own converters to upgrade, spit the data out, and publish again
that said, they also made that sort of stuff available now, so
we guchi
I want to use sNBT, just it'd be nice to have API / trust
rather then knowing I'm yolo'ing
also you were curious about credits: https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/credits
Also, regarding gameTestFramework, I've had to run/write manual integration tests professionally for life-critical software
I'd rather tear my hair out
waxen panther
skull emoji
left swift
marble lark
I've said this before but they can't beat modders because modders only have to worry about niche communities; whatever Mojang does, every line of code they write affects everyone and everything
left swift
anytime someone told me they were a technical player they ended up banned off my server within a week
hoary skiff
farms OP? lag induced by too much redstone? dupe bugs? all of the above?
left swift
yes
they thought building those 100k item villager farms was a good idea in multiplayer
hoary skiff
depends on player count + as long as it has a switch + if they share
that said, if it was ruining your econ
hoary skiff
I hope you mean TPS, by 'ruining'
Otherwise it's likely a game design issue that you introduced by introducing other mechanics, or not nerfing villagers if you wanted it to be harder then vanilla.
halcyon horizon
idk exactly where to ask this but what the heck are people talking about when they beg for something to have "Legacy support" or "legacy version"
What does legacy mean
left swift
lol
halcyon horizon
So it just means 'not current'?
hoary skiff
Generally the term means different things to different people. But it's usually combat focused people who hate cooldowns
or people with very high player counts 'stuck' on the last version they deemed to have suitable performance
@halcyon horizon
generally it's due to 1.13 changing a TON of stuff
halcyon horizon
Gotcha, so most people use it to describe the classic combat style of <1.13
Didnt sound like an overexplanation to me π In fact that was super helpful
left swift
it would help if you knew what legacy meant
tropic flame
Didnt sound like an overexplanation to me π In fact that was super helpful
don't worry, just say pokimane sucks to trigger nomana
hoary skiff
Old habits from running support channels for Sponge, it saves time to not be misinterpreted.
Also been visiting my parents for like a week, who don't listen to what people say, and answer your questions with an answer to a question NO ONE asked.
kinda frustrating
Makes me resonate with autistic peoples experience living with them. But it's just their nature.
halcyon horizon
I mean overexplained and was just straight up opinion stated as fact lulxd
If you have a better answer that would help me understand more, I'd still want that too btw
left swift
yes allow me
legacy version meaning legacy is the adjective and relating to computing
if you're talking about paper legacy version would be anything older than 1.17.1
so that'll be $50 usd
spare venture
wtf
spare venture
versions that arent the newest version
this was the correct answer. everything else just gave me a brain bleed
hoary skiff
correct, yes, but not as it's commonly defined by the people requesting it.
hoary skiff
@halcyon horizon https://bstats.org/global/bukkit , https://bstats.org/plugin/server-implementation/Paper/580 may interest you
left swift
I require monthly trident layers gum watermelon
spare venture
you will be paid nothing
left swift
halcyon horizon
legacy version meaning legacy is the adjective and relating to computing
That makes sense! Thanks! I looked up the definition online but mine doesnt show me the computing version
magic river
Gotcha, so most people use it to describe the classic combat style of <1.13
Generally it means they want 1.8 for combat or 1.12 for performance. If you're supporting those but not all the other legacy versions someone will still complain though π
Unless you're charging money for the thing I'd say no to them
Even if you're only using the API supporting <1.13 at the same time as 1.13+ isn't trivial
Well, unless you just write it for the 1.8 API and everyone on newer versions will get a warning telling them to blame you for performance problems and bugs
lavish compass
mullvad client doesn't work on silverblue due to some SELinux fuckery 
seems like i have to do manual wireguard stuff
magic river
That isn't just a modified RPM, it also has some pretty simple instructions to make the official RPM work instead
peak ginkgo
opened bstats and its a little brokey
oh im glad whoever this was brought it down a little bit.
lavish compass
That isn't just a modified RPM, it also has some pretty simple instructions to m...
think i tried those instructions and it still doesn't work, will probably try again
summer rivet
whats the best backup storage that can health 20years and more and is secure?
like is an ssd good?
golden gust
ssd, no
hdd, no
anything flash based, no
that's more DVDs and ensuring they stay out of the sun
magic river
Tape
Oh, they make DVD-Rs that use gold and last 50-100 years
The standard cheap ones you pick up at the shop are 10-20
vernal moth
Yeah just get DVDs and replace them after 10 years
magic river
5 years for safety
ashen cliff
Not sure how long tape would actually last tho.
Like, if you keep it somewhere, with regular temperature cycles, probably not forever.
ashen cliff
It's amazing when people have too much spinning rust and they have to restart everything at once. 
magic river
Some of it doesn't restart at all and some of it burns out VRMs, PSUs, breakers, etc from inrush current
magic river
TIL commercial DVD and Bluray discs (like, movies and such) are kind of crap
They last 10-20 years
ashen cliff
Do expect some UPS beeping tho.
magic river
There are probably DVDs in this house that don't work anymore
summer rivet
Mh that looks more complicated then i thought, They only have 7gb
magic river
Uh, yeah, it's a DVD
summer rivet
How do most people do backups then? i never heard of dvds in this case
magic river
For some reason rewritable Bluray lasts longer than write once, BD-RE is 20-50 years
You're not talking about backups, you're talking about archival
summer rivet
You're not talking about backups, you're talking about archival
are u sure there is a difference?
magic river
Backups don't need to last a long time, you keep making them π
ashen cliff
Google drive. π
magic river
Archival is "I want to preserve this thing in its current state forever"
But yeah, the answer is generally to pay someone else to do it, back up less stuff so it fits on the easier DIY answers, or get really serious about it and get a tape setup and climate controlled storage
Although even then tape only lasts like 20 years so the real answer is to keep making new copies before the old one dies
summer rivet
Backups don't need to last a long time, you keep making them π
But it could be a file that i save one time and then dont change it for years ...
magic river
Or build a DVD robot since apparently they can last 100 years if you buy the archival ones and store them in a cool environment
summer rivet
And making a full backup of all files ... such a mess ... the last time i did that I couldnt sleep for days bc my computer was running 24/7, i think the copying to an ssd took 50hours
summer rivet
But on dvds i can only write once, right?
magic river
You probably wouldn't want to write to the tapes again either
But yeah
iirc data on an SSD bitrots after like a year
HDD might not bitrot but they also just randomly disintegrate themselves
So you're going to be looking at optical or magnetic storage if you want to be able to store it and forget about it
Or just pay someone else to care about these things, they'll have 3 backups of your backups and cycle them to new hardware as the old wears out
summer rivet
mh
But are there filter programm to not always copy the whole C:\ ?
only what have been updated or something
no system files
In my backup o have a lot, but only few files i probably realy need
magic river
There is a whole industry for this, I guarantee there is such a program
But on Windows I just use backblaze so... no idea
limber knotBOT
could use rsnapshot from a linux server too to backup windows π
lilac moon
on Linux I use borgmatic docker, and back up to borgbase.com
backblaze is pretty good value but its windows only
stiff whale
[1.17.1] is it possible the threaded world upgrader only uses one thread?
golden gust
inan environmeny where only 1 core is available, yea, but, otherwise, no; the key word is threaded
worn crest
Yeah... with Borg I loaded the full backup only a few folders excluded but not all π network settings broke and server stopped. With errors you remember it good and don't make mistakes twice:)
golden gust
It's literally using 2+ cores of workload
stiff whale
yes but most of it runs on a single core, while a small part of it runs on others
golden gust
int threads = Runtime.getRuntime().availableProcessors() * 3 / 8;
magic river
yes but most of it runs on a single core, while a small part of it runs on other...
Welcome to Minecraft π
lilac moon
from that's screenshot it looks like its maxing out the disk io
stiff whale
whats it bound to then? its not disk io for sure
golden gust
I mean
lilac moon
at least the root disk
golden gust
it's not designed to hammer the disk
it's loading stuff off the disk,deserialising it, running it through DFU, and then shoving it back
golden gust
speed is irrelevant
lilac moon
Yeah but io percentage is what matters in this case
magic river
So it'll only try to do three chunks at a time but your SSD really wants like 32 at once
And you aren't using much CPU time so you could probably get away with changing that to use 2x cores or something
Dunno if that's configurable or if you have to patch the server
compact lichen
Where i download paper 1.8.8
crystal lily
golden gust
scroll down
topaz mortar
golden gust
enter key is not punctuation, read the page
south matrix
lol
halcyon horizon
Im very new to this, can I use "datapacks" on my paper server, alongside "plugins"? And whats the difference between them and "mods"?
golden gust
Yes but note that there are often plugins which are more performant and some packs can have compat issues
mods are deeper leveled than plugins and don't work in a bukkit plugin environment
halcyon horizon
So I may want to do a backup before I test out a datapack's compatibility with my current plugins?
Thanks guys!
magic river
loot tables are also a thing you can only do in datapacks, afaik
All the API can do is read the vanilla ones, it can't make new ones
magic river
That was 2017, I don't think they sell those anymore
lilac moon
true
magic river
Even if they do you can see on https://www.target.com/p/boys-minecraft-creeper-costume-fleece-sweatshirt-green/-/A-54479943 they removed the logo
magic river
lilac moon
a CREAPER
yeah i saw that too
that wasnt just a typo too
they consistently spelled it creaper
marble lark
enter key is not punctuation, read the page
this feels like a personal attack ;-;
mossy breach
Hi
tropic flame
this feels like a personal attack ;-;
i remember when "everyone" still used IRC here and they'd go out of their way to ban you for flooding because it looked really bad on their side 
circa 2018
#paper-help used to be the general chat
limber knotBOT
Hmm looks like this one user DiscordBot keeps posting, I think I'll kline it.
magic river
Imagine thinking https://i.stack.imgur.com/A4Rd1.jpg is how the orbits in our solar system work
true canyon
Seems reasonable to me! Backed by observation.
spare venture
i am not seeing proof it isnβt
chrome quest
Anyone here know much about DNS?
I was wondering if there is a record I could set up that would allow me to run an application on a linux server of mine that would set the IP of the specified sub domain whenever the linux server IP changed?
marble lark
i remember when "everyone" still used IRC here and they'd go out of their way to...
lmfaooo
hearty spear
man velocity is fast lol
formal hazel
Hey all!
Are all of the versions part of the api ref https://papermc.io/api/v2/projects/paper stable builds?
south matrix
not all, no
formal hazel
Is there any way to know?
south matrix
latest is the best.
solid siren
Is it possible to get respawn protection like u get ah 15 seconds invincibility when u respawn
turbid pier
Is it possible to get respawn protection like u get ah 15 seconds invincibility ...
it would probably be done best by a plugin
golden gust
Twitter
warm anchor
chrome quest
Is there an easy way for me to take a file like temp.txt: ```
Server: resolver1.opendns.com
Address: 208.67.222.222#53
Non-authoritative answer:
Name: myip.opendns.com
Address: 0.1.2.3
and get that last bit out?Just the IP?
In shell script
vernal moth
grep
chrome quest
I did grep Address temp.txt but that gets me two lines. I need just that IP by itself.
chrome quest
Is there an easy way to tell if a string is a IPv4 or IPv4 address in shell?
ashen cliff
Regex. π
snow kernel
stackoverflow has all the answers
chrome quest
yes lol
chrome quest
I did $VAR =~ ":"
chrome quest
?
twin lagoon
Is there an easy way for me to take a file like temp.txt: ```
Server: res...
what's outputting that temp.txt file because this could be an XY problem
limber knotBOT
ok but why are you not directly reading the record type from the return?
chrome quest
?
limber knotBOT
ok apparently nslookup doesn't contain that info, lol. I guess that's one of the reasons to prefer dig π
golden gust
dig +short google.com
142.250.179.238
I don't know what you are talking about. It also seems I need to tell it to remove the old record if it's flipping from one version to the other
function RECORD {
if [[ $1 =~ ":" ]]
then
return "AAAA"
fi
return "A"
}``` Would something like this work?I am talking about getting the record type directly from the nameserver instead of trying to parse it from the IP which could break if any other record type is returned
dig returns that kind of information, no idea if nslookup has a parameter for that too
chrome quest
Without an example you're just speaking gibberish to me.
limber knotBOT
use google?
warm anchor
Thatβs gonna be $400 an hour for Michaelβs rate if you want example 
limber knotBOT
we ar enot going to write your step by step guides for random administraion issues...
chrome quest
You're suggesting I change something that is working for me.
chrome quest
If you don't want to give me an example, I don't see why I'd want to spend more time struggling to change working code.
limber knotBOT
it's your system Β―_(γ)_/Β― I just hope it's nothing important or that you are willing to fix this at 5am on a sunday
runs
btw. the "why fix it if it's working?" mentallity is extremely common (especially in the money-making) software/sys admin industry and leads to interesting issues like millions of personal data from credit card holders being publically available π
tropic flame
Or if your lazy check for a `:`.
and then break things when you feed an IPv4 with a port value
chrome quest
Well this is personal and will only get used by me. If it breaks then the worst that will happen is that I can't use the sub domain anymore as it's pointing to an old IP.
simple karma
can someone link me to the pr kenny made (the one that tried to change license in one plugin)
chrome quest
If I learn more about the random commands that exist in bin then I might update it in the future.
ashen cliff
tropic flame
https://github.com/TechnicallyCoded/Inventory-Rollback-Plus/pull/69
damn.
ashen cliff
Brother.
simple karma
thanks
tropic flame
simple karma
L< this GPL
tropic flame
yeah, it uses the LGPL
tropic flame
i mean, you're talking with someone who is a law enthusiast at the very most, not an actual lawyer
but uh
it can
it can use the LGPL
ashen cliff
CraftBukkit is LGPL right? π
tropic flame
but the whole combination must be under GPLv3
so using LGPL for your bits of the code is useless
LGPL is basically "GPL but you can link with the library without disclosing your source"
when you're developing against Bukkit, it's useless
you end up linking with Bukkit at all times
simple karma
CraftBukkit is LGPL right? π
Yes π€‘ , so it means i can change license if im using CraftBukkit as library π€‘ and i am doing that π€‘ i am using craftbukkit api
tropic flame
craftbukkit is LGPL but Bukkit is GPL
and the entire combination must be under the GPL
so basically, it doesn't matter what jar you're using
simple karma
Question for 1 milion dollars (in roblox)
A) you use bukkit api
B) you use craftbukkit as library
tropic flame
it doesn't matter, because JavaPlugin is a Bukkit class
and you have to extend it to develop a plugin
simple karma
thats what im talking bout
tropic flame
https://github.com/CustomEntity/Investment/blob/master/LICENSE
this seems like a plugin
by extending JavaPlugin, you use a Bukkit class and not a CraftBukkit one (the difference is in the license they use)
but uh
tropic flame
Yes π€‘ , so it means i can change license if im using CraftBukkit as library π€‘ ...
what would you mean by this, then?
that you can publish a plugin with a proprietary license? no you can't, for the reasons I've said
anyways I'm not a lawyer
plucky sparrow
Best Logics4
tropic flame
well, that's it then
tropic flame
so using LGPL for your bits of the code is useless
tl;dr
(and this is where i either feel like a smartass for being able to discuss this or like a no-lifer for spending so much time on the internet)
radiant oriole
I discussed this exact thing with a copyright lawyer a few months back and he seems to believe that bukkit plugins have to be licensed GPL.
(Note: not your lawyer, mine, this isnβt legal advice, itβs simply what Iβve been told from somebody who knows what theyβre talking about)
radiant oriole
So would I but I donβt hold the copyright so I canβt do shit
vernal moth
my stuff to spigot is CLA so idk and my paper stuff is MIT
radiant oriole
Iβve DMCAβd several mc-market forks so far though lol
ashen cliff
man I wish somebody would sue
Sorry bro. I don't have 10 years to wait for international court to do stuff.
vernal moth
oh it would just be for the lolz, lol
ashen cliff
Maybe we should encourage people to violate it, so we get at least one person sued. π
radiant oriole
I was thinking (kinda jokingly but kinda not) about getting a bunch of patents on IP and doing some patent trolling on servers that inevitably will copy what weβre doing without checking if itβs patented
ashen cliff
Just make a patent for something that a server is already using and then force them to pay up.
Tho, owning a patent is a nice way of getting your email spammed daily.
rare python
Tho, owning a patent is a nice way of getting your email spammed daily.
How so?
ashen cliff
Bots trying to buy it from you, asking you to pay to "keep" it or to publish it in a catalog or some BS.
chrome quest
So I've ended up with this. I believe it works perfectly.
ashen cliff
Or even better, random students spamming you with: "Your company has patents, I want to work for you.".
Regardless. Daily reminder: https://twitter.com/USCPSC/status/1493043342732574720
lilac moon
thanks for the tip
radiant oriole
Or even better, random students spamming you with: "Your company has patents, I ...
Really?
ashen cliff
Yeah. Even EEVblog has like 2 videos on just that.
tropic flame
my stuff to spigot is CLA so idk and my paper stuff is MIT
this is why Bukkit should've been under the Hot Potato license
rare python
this is why Bukkit should've been under the Hot Potato license
Amazing idea
void void
What text editor for linux would you recommend? I used notepad++ on windows, but, there's no version for linux
ashen cliff
SublimeText.
void void
paid
twin lagoon
vscode
void void
electron
twin lagoon
so
vscode is one of the good electron apps
if you care about it being a native app go use neovim
ashen cliff
spare venture
but pvp
magic river
It's not entirely clear what license CraftBukkit uses, btw π
It started life as GPL, "switched" to LGPL but didn't do most of the stuff you're supposed to do for that, and of course the project as a whole is just illegal because Mojang's stuff isn't open source in any way and definitely isn't GPL
tropic flame
nice
so it uses the amalgamate license
amalgamy? amalgamation?
idk the word
issa joke anyway fuck it
limber knotBOT
I mean, seeing as CraftBukkit patches implement the Bukkit API which is GPLv3 and we assume that the inheritence of it actually holds true in that case any patch touching Bukkit code/interfaces would also have to be GPLv3
and tbh as long as you use CB code under the assumption that it's GPLv3 one should be fine imo Β―_(γ)_/Β―
golden gust
issue mostly comes into play with the "grey area"
technically the license is invalid in some respects
and the best part is is that on day 1 they knew that
"we'll fix it later" type deal
limber knotBOT
I mean they directly published decompiled, proprietary code...
I doubt anyone really cared about the legal aspect (and I can't fault them, everything should be open source to begin with anyways. Not our fault companies don't follow suit ;P)
ripe sphinx
I mean at this point MC practically is open source lol. Only thing we're missing is their maven stuff, and jd/comments
limber knotBOT
and a proper license, yes
waxen panther
thank you Phoenix
left swift
thank you Broc
void void
SublimeText.
oh lord π
ashen cliff
Yeah, no. SublimeText gang.
void void
sublime text is closed source lmao
ashen cliff
Ok and?
ashen cliff
Again. Ok and?
void void
and doesn't have as good of extension support. most people use vscode/vscodium
lilac moon
vscodium π
what's that
void void
what's that
fork of vscodium without microsoft telemetry
ashen cliff
and doesn't have as good of extension support. most people use vscode/vscodium
You what?
void void
what?
void void
yes
ashen cliff
I think there is enough plugins for me.
twin lagoon
vscodium π
no
void void
it uses openvsx (iirc that's what it's called) but you can make it use the official microsoft store
lilac moon
I remember there being this other vscode fork that got rid of Microsoft stuff but 90% of extensions didn't show up
ashen cliff
Still, the most important extension I need: https://posili.me/i/quTf9DaD-2022-02-15_19-34-08.png
void void
you just put:
{
"extensionsGallery": {
"serviceUrl": "https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/_apis/public/gallery",
"cacheUrl": "https://vscode.blob.core.windows.net/gallery/index",
"itemUrl": "https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items",
"controlUrl": "",
"recommendationsUrl": ""
}
}
in .config/VSCodium/product.json and it uses the official store which is more updated
void void
Still, the most important extension I need: https://posili.me/i/quTf9DaD-2022-02...
ok...?
ashen cliff
Just proving your point about extensions wrong. π
void void
https://posili.me/i/qz5SjbfV-2022-02-15_19-33-47.png
vscode has over 6x more lol
void void
Just proving your point about extensions wrong. π
...you're proving that by saying "an extension that I use supports it!!" very convincing
ashen cliff
Exactly.
lilac moon
vscode has literally everything
lilac moon
the limit is your imagination
void void
vs code: https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/search?target=VSCode&category=All categories&sortBy=Installs
lol
ashen cliff
All those extensions and no Cisco syntax. π
void void
what?
ashen cliff
Look. I require that Cisco ASA syntax.
void void
idk what cisco has to do with an IDE...
twin lagoon
You don't understand bro .
ashen cliff
Bro.
twin lagoon
BRO!
lilac moon
Semantics moment
ashen cliff
idk what cisco has to do with an IDE...
Not really semantics, if you forget what the original convo was about. π
void void
it kinda is semantics lmao
vscode/vscodium is both an IDE and text editor
it can be both
you're nitpicking words lmao
void void
It doesn't have Cisco ASA syntax.
apparently it does: https://twitter.com/yorkitsec/status/1338735568574885890 lmao
there are extentions
lmao
ashen cliff
Looks scuffed.
void void
(that was also a post from 2 years ago lol)
maybe do your research before making claims
lol
void void
2 years ago
ashen cliff
I did search for extensions, saw it wasn't there, said that it doesn't exist.
void void
good for you
ashen cliff
Thank you.
void void
some people lmao... βοΈ
ashen cliff
It is in the VSC section that I didn't check.
Bruh.
Yeah, I'm sticking with my original choice, not some stuffed thing.
left swift
jettison Jerry moment
glass crag
only thing i miss about sublime is its fast
void void
Yeah, I'm sticking with my original choice, not some stuffed thing.
(dude, this again has nothing to do with the guy asking for a text editor recommendation)
completely tangential
jesus...
ashen cliff
Look. They asked for a text editor not a whole IDE that needs longer to start up. π
void void
so.. you're recommending someone who's using notepad++ to use a paid piece of software.... that has 6x less extensions... because it has support for something that you personally need?
worn ember
Duh
void void
and it starts up quickly
ashen cliff
- It's free.*
- Yeah.
- Yeah.
- Some people value time over arguing.
glass crag
why isn't he allowed to recommend software he's had a positive experience using?
void void
1. It's free.*
2. Yeah.
3. Yeah.
4. Some people value time over arguing.
Sublime Text may be downloaded and evaluated for free, however a license must be purchased for continued use.
ashen cliff
Have you ever used it?
You get to save like 20 times, it tells you to please buy it, for it to no longer nagg you about buying it, you click no.
Same as WinRAR, except less annoying.
warm anchor
Just use notepad. Itβs lightweight and come with windows!
ashen cliff
Regardless, it's an amazing product, that starts up instantly, allows you to edit a single little bit of text and be done with it.
Takes like 2s in total to do that. π
ashen cliff
Pss, don't tell them that we are just boosting the activity.
void void
You get to save like 20 times, it tells you to please buy it, for it to no longe...
lmfao
that doesn't make it free...
ashen cliff
WinRAR also isn't free, yet how many people bought it?
left swift
me
void void
WinRAR also isn't free, yet how many people bought it?
that has nothing to do with the subject
void void
lololol
snow kernel
sublime is free, iβve never paid for it
void void
anything is free if you don't pay for it lol
left swift
thiefs
ashen cliff
that has nothing to do with the subject
How not? They use the same marketing model.
void void
sighs
left swift
bro you know what would be sick
void void
sublime is free, iβve never paid for it
(that's basically krusic22's logic) would also extend to people who pirate software, sounds like: "Minecraft isn't free, but I have it"
ashen cliff
It's not piracy, if you are using the free trial.
left swift
void void
It's not piracy, if you are using the free trial.
oml lmfao
snow kernel
(that's basically krusic22's logic) would also extend to people who pirate softw...
i installed sublime from their website and it just works
void void
"adobe is free, just use the free trial"
ashen cliff
No, because the Adobe trial has a limit.
void void
"minecraft is free, just run in offline mode"
that doesn't make it free
left swift
cat the voice of reason is here he can settle this
golden gust
You're supposed to pay for it if you're using it, while they don't enforce a timer because of their kindness, etc, doesn't mean that it's "free" to use
ashen cliff
Exactly.
void void
Exactly.
so you agree that you're incorrect? because you've been arguing that sublime is free lol
ashen cliff
When did I say it was free?
void void
ashen cliff
See that *?
left swift
I cant read
void void
See that *?
...you didn't put a footnote so I assumed you were correcting me. as that's how asterisks are used lol
golden gust
if you're just a normie who uses it once in a while they probs don't care so much, but, if you're gonna use it in an area where you're actually earning from it, either directly or indirectly, you shoul probs pay for it
warm anchor
Itβs like oracle java but with less lawyers
void void
You did add the footnote in for me.
what?
snow kernel
^^ itβs a very nice tool and i will probably end up giving them money for it one day
just wanted to be a little contrarian π
void void
that's literally the opposite of free
having to pay for something
is the opposite of free
and you just using the free trial, doesn't make the software free
you're still expected to pay
ashen cliff
Do note the fact I compared it with WinRAR.
void void
ok?
left swift
noted
ashen cliff
You are just arguing with yourself at this point.
void void
no?
ashen cliff
Like, I made it quite clear, yet for some reason, you just want to win a finished argument with repeating points.
meager tusk
Kin?
ashen cliff
Yes bro.
meager tusk
What's he doing now, bro?
void void
Like, I made it quite clear, yet for some reason, you just want to win a finishe...
...lmao
ashen cliff
Not being here.
meager tusk
Not being here.
Fair point.
ashen cliff
Regardless, thank you for helping me pass time while compiling.
meager tusk
Bring back Gordan.
void void
Regardless, thank you for helping me pass time while compiling.
lmao
meager tusk
You laugh a lot, Jettison Jerry.
void void
what can I say, i find many things humorous
left swift
jettison Jerry joker moment
u just lucky u guys weren't talking about this on a subway
meager tusk
u just lucky u guys weren't talking about this on a subway
Why do you say that, bro?
ashen cliff
Compiling on that poor Surface 3.
Need to replace the battery. Still waiting for it to puff up enough to pop out the screen.
left swift
just poke a hole in it to let out the pressure
tropic flame
i read the discussion
someone never heard about the word "freemium"
that's all i have to say
void void
Compiling on that poor Surface 3.
distcc ftw
meager tusk
i read the discussion
someone never heard about the word "freemium"
Never heard of the word freemium or free in my life.
I only use Windows and IntelliJ idea ultimate among other things.
left swift
I was about to make a politics joke
tropic flame
if everything is free, then nothing is
meager tusk
Oh, and I use office 365. Someone tried to get me to use Google docs and I yelled at the top of my lungs.
ashen cliff
And all Adobe products?
void void
i read the discussion
someone never heard about the word "freemium"
good way of describing it
meager tusk
Slight deviation from the standard user.
I'm a balkan user.
So I don't pay a dime.
ashen cliff
Let me guess, Windows 10 Enterprise?
meager tusk
left swift
people who use linux should be arrested
meager tusk
Let me guess, Windows 10 Enterprise? <:kekwhyper:674093681904713729>
Yes.
void void
people who use linux should be arrested
internet is going down then π³
and android users
tropic flame
Let me guess, Windows 10 Enterprise? <:kekwhyper:674093681904713729>
watch me using Windows 10 Pro Education
void void
and people with chromebooks
left swift
250gb data caps or we riot
meager tusk
You give too much importance to linux.
We can just replace it with TempleOS.
Easy peasy.
void void
ezz
ashen cliff
Most of the world is still ran on 2003 Ciscos. As it should be.
Got to keep up that high ping.
left swift
run everything on imacs
tropic flame
Most of the world is still ran on 2003 Ciscos. As it should be.
if it ain't broken don't fix it
meager tusk
run everything on imacs
What happened to you?
void void
>Linux desktop user try not to crash fifty times after one week of use challenge...
I've only have had gnome crash on me maybe 2 times in the past few weeks, and I'm using dev builds lol
meager tusk
You're speaking awfully intelligently.
ashen cliff
Don't worry bro. There is a reason the gap is so large: https://posili.me/i/mZZFaZTJ-2022-02-15_20-23-55.png
Got to make sure to overdrive those lasers.
left swift
You're speaking awfully intelligently.
I've seen the world like it should be seen
meager tusk
I've only have had gnome crash on me maybe 2 times in the past few weeks, and I'...
I've only had Windows crash when I ran games fully maxxed out and had no remaining memory.
I've only had MacOS crash never.
tropic flame
You're speaking awfully intelligently.
nomana stocked on some IQ when pokimane got banned
void void
(I'm also using dev builds that aren't released lol)
tropic flame
he's using that IQ now
void void
what?
meager tusk
nomana stocked on some IQ when pokimane got banned
Pokimane got banned?
left swift
tropic flame
Pokimane got banned?
yeah, for streaming Avatar or something
copyright infringement
void void
(I mean, by crash, I mean that it reloads automatically and i lose none of my applications that are open)
meager tusk
Lol.
void void
yeah, for streaming Avatar or something
lmfao
meager tusk
So that's why nomana's back on track.
meager tusk
(I mean, by crash, I mean that it reloads automatically and i lose none of my ap...
Reloads automatically?
That's even worse.
void void
yes. when it crashes
meager tusk
Is working.
void void
so it fixes itself
meager tusk
Why did it just reload?
void void
huh?
meager tusk
You said that it reloads automatically instead of crashing.
Which I assume means the whole screen does a bunch of funky stuff.
void void
yea. so you don't reboot or anything
meager tusk
So nothing happens?
Like, nothing on the screen?
How do you know anything's happened then?
void void
there's a fade affect for like half a second (while it's loading), then it's back to normal
void void
but it's super rare, even on dev builds
void void
lol what
left swift
yeah u cant have a headache if you dont have a head
meager tusk
yeah u cant have a headache if you dont have a head
Mana.
left swift
Idriz
glass crag
explorer.exe definitely never crashes
left swift
find a better explorer next time
meager tusk
find a better explorer next time
Fact.
twin lagoon
zzzzzz
worn ember
looks like its running out of ram and then using SWAP which absolutely kills it lol
the moment i kill influx 
peak ginkgo
@lavish compass May have wisdom for that
twin lagoon
worn ember
yeah killed the thing and probably leaving it off forever
void void
prometheus >
worn ember
had my fill with db shit for the past few weeks so i'll look at that in the future
having to touch Access databases has drained my will to live
lavish compass
prometheus >
victoriametrics or questdb >
warm anchor
@lavish compass 
lavish compass
@warm anchor 
summer rivet
Can anyone give me some support what laptop would be good under 1000β¬ with ssd and 17" screen (or bigger)? For Plugin development and Minecraft (with medium shaders)
summer rivet
But i need a type of computer that can be taken on travel...
my current laptop was 700β¬ before 4 years so I think i could get something better now with 1000β¬?
summer rivet
i never used apple
ripe sphinx
I mean if you want anything more than low shaders, you need a graphics card, and that's an automatic $1200+
(not sure what that is in euros though)
plucky sparrow
^^
plucky sparrow
igpu and dgpu
ripe sphinx
Integrated is not a graphics card
summer rivet
its part of the cpu/mainboard
summer rivet
I mean if you want anything more than low shaders, you need a graphics card, and...
But i dont have that much money and even if, i would pay so much for soemthing that could just fall out of my hands....
ripe sphinx
Not sure what to tell you /shrug
decent shaders require good hardware, and good hardware isn't cheap
golden gust
I mean, cost of stuff has generally gone up
the intel gpu is literally built into the CPU
summer rivet
my extern gpu sadly is still to weak for decent shader 15fps with 8 chunks
left swift
even with windows 11! 
ripe sphinx
Yeah that's the one thing that's been annoying with my new laptop
Like there's honestly a shocking number of bugs
like taskbar icons decide to go take a coffee break sometimes https://f.u11.io/cZEAEX
plucky sparrow
Windows 11?
I did not run into any issues when I had it during like august - october
ripe sphinx
Yeah W11
smoky cloud
I started a new job last March and panicked because they gave me a MacBook Pro with macOS on it
ripe sphinx
Also sometimes alt+tab gets "stuck" open, have to hit enter to make it actually chanage, really annoying
smoky cloud
Three months later I bought a MacBook Air
plucky sparrow
Id be pleased to work on a Mac anytime
ripe sphinx
also they got rid of my precious RClick Taskbar -> Task Manaager
Have to pull it up in the bloody search
left swift
windows 10 was best os in years
smoky cloud
Unfortunately itβs a 2019 MBP with that dismal Touch Bar and weird keyboard
left swift
ripe sphinx
Yeah but it's buried in the middle of the windows button rclick
on taskbar it was right in the bottom
I've gotten pretty fast at win -> task -> enter, but then sometimes the start menu doesn't actually launch it either
ripe sphinx
Yeah there's some things that feel much better
but then there's dumb things like there's the control center on the task bar, but then they put notifications with the clock/calender
summer rivet
Windows 10 already laggs as hell lol
I takes 5 minutes to let my taskmanger show something xD
left swift
sounds like a hardware user problem
summer rivet
My pc isnt windows 11 compartible lol
summer rivet
sounds like a hardware user problem
wdym?
plucky sparrow
But Iβd still do macOS over windows anytime
Even arch
Arch was really really nice tbh
plucky sparrow
Aside from the few times that it fucked the efi partition, it was nice
summer rivet
Arch?
plucky sparrow
Yes
summer rivet
Windows 8 was cool
plucky sparrow
Oh I loved Windows 8.1
summer rivet
it wasnt lagging
and only 700mb memory useage
just this windows modules installer was always on 40% cpu sometimes
that sucks
summer rivet
hackintosh?
smoky cloud
macOS on non-Apple hardware
plucky sparrow
Look I love macOS but I wouldnβt get a MacBook personally
I think the M1 is somewhat limiting
ripe sphinx
huh I always thought hackintosh was running non macOS on apple hardware.
smoky cloud
How so?
golden gust
in what way?
plucky sparrow
So Iβd probably get any other laptop and install arch
Well being stuck in only macOS is one of the reasons
warm anchor
Dap too poor. Canβt afford mac 
smoky cloud
You can install Linux on an M1
plucky sparrow
Shut up weeb
golden gust
Yea, I mean, I kinda wanna like, get the new mac, build a rig in the corner for VMs and PCI passthrough
plucky sparrow
Not officially
smoky cloud
Well, thereβs no jailbreak involved
plucky sparrow
With officially I mean so you can just boot straight into it
However, the upcoming Mac Minis look nice
summer rivet
I think Linux would be cool too, but what things i cant do there that i normally do in windows? Does it have a taskmanager? I didnt found one
And it doesnt let me install Minecraft π the worst thing
golden gust
there is a task manager alternative
smoky cloud
wat
golden gust
htop, for tui
plucky sparrow
wdym it does not let you install Minecraft
golden gust
then there was the activity thing which is somewhat bleh but worked
summer rivet
wdym it does not let you install Minecraft
I tried it many many times... after installing java, the minecraft packet and this arm architecture (why?) I cant start the launcher
i double click it it doesnt show
tropic flame
Windows shouldn't have left 7
thanks bye proceeds to run
tropic flame
HAHAHAHAHAAH
golden gust
everybody knows that XP is the best windows ever
summer rivet
When do it per command it shows me nothing, like empty
ashen cliff
Something isn't working.
API works.
API doesn't work on the server.
curl the API.
The API: https://posili.me/i/fSLk3guR-2022-02-15_22-28-45.png
plucky sparrow
It looks like you mightβve installed it wrongly but you can always resort to multimc
limber knotBOT
krusic, β Spirekted Away
tropic flame
everybody knows that XP is the best windows ever
unironically? eh i find 7 more robust but more than that is just basically small QoL features that could be added into 7 + unnecessary crap you now have to deal with because it's not optional with 8 and up
summer rivet
It looks like you mightβve installed it wrongly but you can always resort to mul...
I dont trust non official launchers
plucky sparrow
um
summer rivet
What did i wrong with installation?
warm anchor
I donβt trust official launchers
plucky sparrow
speechless
golden gust
I mean, 7 got some refinements over XP but there was never anything 7 had xp didn't which I couldn't live without
plucky sparrow
I liked vista
golden gust
at least not when I was using it back in the day, all of my games worked fine in XP,etc
golden gust
vista was okay when they fixed it, but by that point people where already on underspec'd hardware or downgraded to XP and moved on
plucky sparrow
nomana master of funy
ashen cliff
Found another API that just works. π
left swift
thanks
golden gust
like, I do love the part where OEMs would literally let you downgrade to XP as vista was THAT bad
plucky sparrow
I used to have a vista laptop and it was so so nice
summer rivet
Whats the way i should install Minecraft on linux?
twin lagoon
multimc
plucky sparrow
^^
long fog
multimc is lovely to use
summer rivet
-.-
tropic flame
at least not when I was using it back in the day, all of my games worked fine in...
i mean... im still on 7 and i use Steam which dropped XP so, i guess i could say there are things i can't live without :p
floral mesa
vista wasnt horrible so much as it was new and used a lot more resources than the shitboxes OEMs were making
plucky sparrow
I refuse to use the official launcher
tropic flame
if we're going for games
twin lagoon
yeah the official launcher is a disaster
summer rivet
yeah the official launcher is a disaster
in windows it worked all the time fine for me
plucky sparrow
Oh thankfully I donβt have to go through that pain