fast startups are nice but, I mean, once again, you're comparing a project made by a team with the task of doing stuff to make cash and the associated red tape of wanting to get stuff done
#general
golden gust
twin lagoon
start time isn't relevant and is of course going to be worse the newer the version is
there's a shitton of stuff that has been added since 1.8 or 1.12
golden gust
as stuff is more driven by data rather than hardcoded stuff, more stuff needs to be parsed
twin lagoon
and paper makes it more than usable
golden gust
stuff like DFU is a PITA but aikar improved that drastically
rancid void
where 1.8.8 starts in 8 seconds and 1.12.2 starts in 9-10, 1.16.5 takes like 35s. with paper, if you consider world loading
twin lagoon
even on vanilla it's not that slow
golden gust
Because the game was stupidly dummer
twin lagoon
if your server takes 35 seconds to start on paper with normal vanilla world loading, you have shit hardware
golden gust
it didn't have to deal with stuff like reading data files to understand stuff
vernal moth
lmao github https://i.imgur.com/lOXRHGI.png
golden gust
as said, 0 surprise, more complex framework is more complex and takes longer
rancid void
I consider it fully started once everything is up and loaded, not after it prints "Done" and loads the world after
limber knotBOT
"what are comment?"
rancid void
and how much longer until the world is loaded and it doesn't draw a few 100% CPU?
limber knotBOT
the world is loaded before "Done"
twin lagoon
^
5.6s without world gen
you can get it down to 1s if you rip out the shit you don't need for minigames
rancid void
take a look at htop. lots of load after it's "Done"
twin lagoon
that means nothing
frank otter
.g what is jvm warmup
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.baeldung.com/java-jvm-warmup
rancid void
damn, I guess JVM warmup wasn't a thing in 1.13 or so
rancid void
well duh
rancid void
that's what I'm saying
frank otter
so is it like JVM says right everything's working now time for cache
twin lagoon
the point you're trying to make though is still so irrelevant
rancid void
totally /s
twin lagoon
start time is still more than reasonable on 1.18
especially if you're hosting minigames, you can rip out the shit you don't need
rancid void
I mean I could bring in heap util and tick times
golden gust
-.-
limber knotBOT
the question is: what is your point and how does it influence what you want to do?
golden gust
Wait, what do you mean
twin lagoon
your tick times are still going to be stupidly low for minigames...?
golden gust
a more complex game is more expensive!?
frank otter
who could have possibly thought
golden gust
The game is more complex than it was 7 years it
it's literally 0 surprise that it eats more resources
limber knotBOT
there's also the fact that we have faster and better CPUs than 7 years ago... it's only good that they actually use the resources available now to make the game better.
golden gust
idk a single game which even comes on par with MC in terms of what it does
limber knotBOT
there is zero reason to cater to anyone who is running hardware older then 2 years or so, especially not on a server
rancid void
why are you writing as bot btw
twin lagoon
irc bridge
rancid void
ah
limber knotBOT
(and the game still runs fine on hardware older then 2 years if you do it right)
e.g. my server has been using the same CPU for the last 5 or 6 years or so with the same results
rancid void
I'm just saying that from, let's say 1.13.2 to 1.15, complexity/cpu time/ram/heap usage went up quite a bit vs features.
Like, a lot was added. But was it more than from 1.8 to 1.12? probably not.
twin lagoon
the worlds are twice as big
limber knotBOT
actually the CPU we are using is 10 years old 👀
golden gust
they added frameworks which drastically improves searching for stuff in the server
they made many stupid ass decisions in there
rancid void
Look, I'm not saying performance is unmanagable, but I still think they could do some (quite a few) optimizations
twin lagoon
there is always room for optimization
limber knotBOT
Wtf are you talking about? The amount of features they added is way higher than the actual resource usage.
golden gust
but, many of the complexity increases added much better functionaility framework wise
chunk gen is more complex and the generation itself is more "featureful"
but before we got there we got a new chunk system which allows much better management and progression of that state vs tryna hammer a chunk from 0 to "fully generated" in a single chain
frank otter
actually the CPU we are using is 10 years old 👀
i thnk im running mine on like a 2013?14? laptop and it does just fine
limber knotBOT
tbh the fact that they managed to implement custom world generators while still mainting pretty much the same world generation performance (imo) is pretty mindboggling to me
frank otter
turns out my laptop was the first model in the series to have USB 3.0
i am very impressed minecraft runs as well as it does on it
*server-side minecraft
rancid void
damn, arguing/debating is tiring fast. I need to start sorting by controversial on Reddit more often
or maybe it's just that my stupid adhd brain is already 10 topics ahead
twin lagoon
i mean you haven't exactly given a single good argument
left swift
no politics
golden gust
Shits naunced
rendering is ass
optimising shit doesn't offer attractive marketing
mojang doesn't care about 20+ slots
welcome to the joys of businesses, I've yet to see a game which is on the same complexity level as MC and is given as much attention over the years
could they do better? ofc
is it naunced because we're sitting here as people who've got free time to throw into whatever we wanna do? i.e. improving performance, etc; without having to care about actual deliverables; yes
limber knotBOT
Mojang buying Paper so that they can focus on actual profitable development wen?!?
cyan grail
Hey, I running a server with dynmap, does anyone know how I can configure the web address for the map to something custom so it doesn't show the server ip?
warm anchor
Consult dynmap wiki it has a detailed page
worn ember
whats the thingy called again that tracks stats of your server and puts it in a time table?
often used with grafana
worn ember
nono not mc related lol
twin lagoon
then the last one
vernal moth
Wtf is lost ark and why is literally every single idiot playing it right now?
vernal moth
Like, it's has the second highest concurrent players on steam ever
Before CSGO and dota
worn ember
i cant even play it cuz of laws 
vernal moth
twin lagoon
i don't understand how PUBG is still that big aswell
vernal moth
I don't understand why some Yu-Gi-Oh game is so high on 24h peak
twin lagoon
as our residential weeb what are your thoughts on yu-gi-oh @warm anchor
vernal moth
Oh apperently lost ark is only so high because it's a queue simulator 😂
left swift
pubg might include pubg mobile? cuz that's huge in like asia
raven basin
this might be a little off topic but how would I ddos protect my minecraft server and the website thats involved with the minecraft server at the same time (the website is hosted on the same machine as the server) Ik about like tcp shield and such but would it protect both the server and the website?
vernal moth
Website you want CloudFlare
native wolf
i don't understand how PUBG is still that big aswell
It's probably because it switched to free to play
worn ember
@twin lagoonany clue how i'd track network traffic with influx? Hetzner has one but it only tracks 30 days
raven basin
Website you want CloudFlare
whenever I use cloudflare people cant use the domain to join the server
worn ember
mk
vernal moth
Add a play subdomain like normal people then
upbeat falconBOT
twin lagoon
there you go
raven basin
Add a play subdomain like normal people then
I dont really wanna do that could I add a subdomain on the website you think so for example on the website it would be website.domain.com and domain.com for the server
twin lagoon
no one is going to use website.domain.com
golden gust
I mean
twin lagoon
is it possible, yes
is it a good idea, no
golden gust
for MC, you're either gonna need an SRV record or you're not gonna be able to use that domain to connect to the website
website. is total ass
www. sure
but, 0 redirect is ass too
twin lagoon
use cloudflare proxying for your website, use tcpshield for your minecraft server on a play. subdomain
then use a srv record to redirect to play. for minecraft users
golden gust
^^
srv records are not something I'd rely on
can have play. and just srv the main domain over
that way people can use the domain to connect and fallback to play. when it doesn't
magic river
Lost Ark is yet another Amazon MMO, iirc
For some reason their solution to MMOs was to launch two at the same time
void void
god hates me
golden gust
hon hon hon oui oui baguette
worn ember
i like how everyone collectively hates on french lol
vernal moth
Especially as a German, we won wars over this
vernal moth
C'mon GitHub
You can do better
I get you want me to use your stupid app
But you can at least try to not break the fucking mobile layout every other day
I am tried of filing support tickets, lol
left swift
go to war with github
worn crest
Else you wouldn't have to learn french
only half a year and I can punch the subject away 
magic river
So I need what I guess is technically a mixer
But I don't need per-input volume control or whatever, it's more of a KVM but I don't want to swap the inputs manually
Do you think I can just take a splitter for headphones and reverse it?
void void
Else you wouldn't have to learn french
the fucking final in a month and i still cant form a coherent sentence
magic river
Otherwise does anyone know the term for what I'm looking for?
Or if it even makes sense
When I look for simple 2 channel mixers I still get boxes with volume knobs and such
golden gust
er, I mean, I thiiink kinda, but only if one is outputting at the same time (not to mention that it's potentially harmful to the stuff containing the magic smoke)
vernal moth
the fucking final in a month and i still cant form a coherent sentence
Don't worry, I had a 5 in my Deutsch mündlich Abi Prüfung and I like to think I still turned out great
golden gust
otherwise you would need a basic mixer or an amp which has that stuff
magic river
It should only ever be one thing outputting at once
I have a cheap soundbar that just takes one 3.5 mm
worn crest
Don't worry, I had a 5 in my Deutsch mündlich Abi Prüfung and I like to think I ...
feel it. i follow you in 2,5 years also oral!
golden gust
concern is that you're basically backfeeding, which, potentially not great
magic river
Right now I just rely on my computer and PS5 sending audio to my monitor then plug the headphone jack from the monitor to the sound bar
golden gust
yea, joy here is that this ain't really a normie thing to do
so everything which does it is basically bulky mixers and shit rather than something more discrete
magic river
But that means when the monitor goes to sleep my music dies and every time it wakes up it's a new sound device so some apps don't come back and some settings get reset
Although the higher level Windows UI for it at least knows it's still actually the same device so anything you change in there carries over
Apparently the term for what I want is a switch 😛
Or at least that gets me boxes that don't have volume knobs on Amazon
knotty oasis
spectator mode is pretty sick once youve hacked around all of mojangs weird problems
no shaders or mods required
you spectate an invisible villager or player spawned through a lot of packets. And a whole lot of hacking around the broken head interpolation the client does by spawning multiple of each and spectating between them when a glitch is about to occur.
but then you also want to actually have the player be able to look around - so you intercept the player input, do some matrix math stuff, and re-apply it to the spectated entity
or
left swift
foggy silo
Fascinating stuff
twin lagoon
But I don't need per-input volume control or whatever, it's more of a KVM but I ...
what are you looking for exactly?
oh i see
magic river
I think I'll just get something with volume knobs and just leave them all at 100% 😛
They all want to support using them as splitters too though so they can't have diodes in there to prevent backfeeding
warm anchor
as our residential weeb what are your thoughts on yu-gi-oh <@!177150983258767360...
The original card game that made it big? It’s like D&D but in the Japan.
magic river
Makes them noisy and kind of useless, I could literally just get a splitter and use it wrong to get the same thing
Honestly I could probably build this thing easier than I could find someone to sell me one
2 female connectors, 2 diodes, a 3 way switch, maybe a resistor, and a male connector
raven basin
then use a srv record to redirect to play. for minecraft users
I got it setup how do I setup srv record so whenever some joins domain.com it sends them to play.domain.com
south matrix
A record for the IP, SRV record for the port redirect
magic river
Huh, apparently you don't use diodes, just some 10k resistors
Ah, right, but a passive mixer will cut the volume in half so I guess I just need to live with the monitor setup or get a proper mixer
Oh, diodes wouldn't work because they'd cut off part of the signal too, huh
golden gust
yea, was gonna say, they require like a forwarding voltage and anything below that would be clipped
vernal moth
spectator mode is pretty sick once youve hacked around all of mojangs weird prob...
Ur a wizard
I like how a dum plugin that makes Minecraft go brrrr turns out to be one of the most innovative projects in the community ever, you keep pushing the boundaries of what's possible
golden gust
shame that the dev behind that project is horrible
knotty oasis
not wrong there
raven basin
anyone knows a plugin that tps you to the other side of the world if you go past the border (for an earth server)
left swift
sheesh soyoustart got upgraded game servers now
rocking the i7-7700k
all of them are sold out
worn crest
rocking the i7-7700k
pfft i have the i9 7900k
magic river
Got my new chair, it's pretty awesome
Only negative is it's a little too wide. I know I got the XL but I needed that for the height and weight more than the width
I mean, I'm a wide boy but not that wide 😛
Or maybe I'm supposed to be holding my arms out a little and I've just been sitting wrong, I dunno 😛
tropic flame
meanwhile, i'm still using one of the chairs from my living room
i'm sure i'll reach my 60s on a wheelchair already
true canyon
Got my new chair, it's pretty awesome
What's the chair?
magic river
Aside from the sliders to adjust the armrests you can actually move them further in by loosening some bolts where they attach to the base so I can fix them if I want
Going to take a couple days and see if they're uncomfortable like this or just something to adjust to
They ship faster than Amazon 😛
ashen cliff
So, how much did you overpay for this 50€ China special?
twin lagoon
worn ember
last jewel
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/10/russian-teenager-nikita-uvarov-jai...
this article is so dumb, they were really arrested for this (mentioned later in the article)
According to investigators, the teenagers were also learning to make improvised explosive devices and practised detonating them in abandoned buildings.
they were literally gonna blow up a building 
worn ember
xD
magic river
- You answered your own question
- #paper-help
true canyon
Crashing on 1.18 is a bad sign. [just noting for others, they already went to paper-help]
grim island
this article is so dumb, they were really arrested for this (mentioned later in ...
cw: politics? in-depth detail
|| nope. it all started with minecraft, where based on their in-game chat conversations they [it were 3 teenagers initially] were preparing for a terrorist act with that fsb building, then this case was closed and re-opened under the making of explosives, like they researched how to make molotov cocktails that they apparently tested on wastelands and in abandoned buildings (still under the question, since materials which those were made of do not fall under the classification of the law; according to some sources they were made out of pringles packaging) ||
|| everyone's upset because ‘to protect mental wellbeing of teenagers’ (most probably a lie) this case was going behind the closed doors, no journalists were allowed, so no one believes it at all. only one teenager is going to jail because he denies the allegations, other two had their charges dropped after they [most probably were pressured and] ‘decided to work with investigation’ ||
|| it looks even more bizarre in comparison of recent events where one deputy publicly and seriously threatens some family with beheading (what year is that again?) and ethics committee and others just ignore it, like it never happened :\ that is russia for you ||
magic river
It's somewhat normal for people to get little to no time for a crime if they point to one person as the mastermind and work with authorities to throw the book at that person
aka snitching 😛
knotty oasis
Yeah its almost a police trope to put all suspects in separate rooms and claim the other person already snitched on you and your sentence will be lowered if you snitch others etc.
its a bit of a game of, everyone snitch or nobody snitch. Any other choice and somebody is the sucker.
upbeat falconBOT
blazing cradle
I've asked this question before, and managed to get it working, but now no matter what I try, it does NOT WORK. How do you use color codes in a Book and Quill? I've tried using ALT+21 in-game (no), ALT+21 in Notepad and copy/pasting into game (no), ALT+21 followed by the text I want to colorize copy/pasted in game (no)
I've figured this out before, why is this so difficult? What am I doing wrong?
blazing cradle
I was able to do it in 1.17?
magic river
That's news to me
lean kiln
yeah you would need a plugin to do any formatting by typing into the book
blazing cradle
I'm reasonably sure we didn't have a plugin for that, so that's odd
lean kiln
you can /give yourself a written book with the json text set in nbt without plugins
knotty oasis
https://www.planetminecraft.com/blog/how-to-get-coloured-text-in-your-book-and-quill/ theres some stale posts about this, my guess is that all this broken when mojang added the whole mojangson shit
magic river
afaik the client doesn't even try to let you put in those symbols but even if you mod your client the server strips them out
blazing cradle
that's so weird, 'cause I did it somehow on the last version of our server, so I guess we had SOMETHING installed
magic river
Perhaps you had something that let you use & and converted it to a section sign
warm anchor
Knowing more than 40% of server using essentialsx. It’s likely yes
blazing cradle
I'll look into essentials I guess, but this was not the answer I was expecting, as 6 months ago I did it (albeit with some difficulty) but still
very very odd
blazing cradle
anyway, thank you for the update 🙂 I'll stop tearing my hair out lol
magic river
I think in older versions the server didn't do a good job of sanitizing client input on books so maybe it did work after you modified or tricked your client in to letting you put it in
But even this I feel like that would have been something CraftBukkit (back in the day) or Paper would have patched so it wouldn't work for most people anyway
blazing cradle
the mystery keeps getting stranger
magic river
I do remember doing ore reviewing some CB patches to sanitize something with books
blazing cradle
I have screenshots of the book I made, in survival. I had op permissions at the time, so that HAD to have something to do with it
magic river
But that would have been like 1.6
knotty oasis
I now have the crazy idea of adding a bunch of clickable buttons at the top of a page of a book that modify the page to create a wysiwyg editor
blazing cradle
in 1.17
some permission in some plugin somewhere allowed me to colorize the book
but I can't fathom what it was
golden gust
I know essentials has random stuff like that
sweet thunder
Is there any way to report a user that is sending malicious files?
burnt venture
^
sweet thunder
Wait wtf idk if this is malicious or not
burnt venture
Is there any way to report a user that is sending malicious files?
I'm getting dm'd by someone trying to get me to play test a game
burnt venture
they're a mutual on this server
sweet thunder
Lunar Lux?
burnt venture
yup
little frost
the mystery keeps getting stranger
what's kaeden up to 👀
sweet thunder
not official just boosted sorry
restive thicket
HELLO MICHAEL
magic river
You should probably just ignore all DMs from people you aren't friends with
Or at least all DMs from public servers
There is a setting to do this globally but I think it only applies to servers you join after setting it
Otherwise it's a per-server thing
wraith trail
Is there any way to report a user that is sending malicious files?
you're best off reporting this directly to Discord via their "report spam" button in dms, but also fee free to /modmail the user + a screenshot
sweet thunder
Gonna confirm it's malicious before making a report
a friend and I have taken it upon our selves to just document discord scams like this and see how they work, interesting to reverse malware :)
honest cosmos
sweet thunder
same person
honest cosmos
397220364738101258
@rugged blaze
No confirm. Only report
I get 4-6 scam dms a day I know what to look for
Send virustotal
KEK
sweet thunder
Send virustotal
Comes back negative, but the sample may be too new to be recognized by an AV
Gonna reverse it in a bit let you know what we find :)
honest cosmos
Run it through vt for me pls I'm grilling Korean bbq
Dwaejibulgogi and ssamjang lettuce wraps 
vapid egret
.
fiery pulsar
rain nacelle
Just had another idiot trying to dm me saying they were a game dev 
Atleast it reminded me to close my dm's for the server
glass dragon
Yare (942245602543144960) too
valid elbow
rain nacelle
It usually is a complete scam when they first message you when they never talked to you about it either
Also question, how do i get access to #adorable-pets 🤔
wraith trail
you can just post in #adorable-doggos and you'll get access, tbh not sure why one is behind role gate and other isn't.
also thanks for your reports, dm bots are a known issue but there isn't much we can do about the majority of them. your best bet is reporting directly to discord via the "report spam" button. that will have the most impact
rain nacelle
But isnt that channel for dogs only? 🤔
wraith trail
kinda sorta, they were created years apart and I don't think #adorable-doggos was meant to last more than a couple of hours initially. thats why one of them is role gated and the other isn't I assume. i've brought up merging them
little frost
unlike broccolai who was unhinged the whole time
waxen panther
i been unhinged for years
little frost
spotted in the wild!
blazing cradle
yeah, the gist of it, I was able to get colored text into a book and quill in 1.17
not sure how, it was so natural I thought it was vanilla behavior
turns out it isn't lol
dire harness
how far do iron farms have to be apart for them all to work without interfering with each other, and would they be close enough to a player in the center for them to run simultaneously?
spare venture
why wouldn’t adorable doggos last more than a few hours
adorable kitties is ages old
dog hate ❌
cunning raft
@waxen panther
hearty spear
kinda sorta, they were created years apart and I don't think <#86355050364377504...
Or merge them into one channel called fluffy 😂
That way I can see both the cats and doggos
merry talon
#eyebleach
untold copper
aaaaa help
untold copper
`20*24*5 = x*10*8`
its not coming
south matrix
what's there not to understand
it's pretty straightforward
you have an equation, isolate x
magic river
I think cat linked this before but just in case not: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ_xWvX1n9g
(warning, this is a movie-length video essay)
magic river
vernal bone
Doesn't GitHub have it's own system to prevent leaking secrets? Alteast it's not possible to push a discord token to a public repo without getting it rewoked instantly.
primal solar
thats discord I think
vernal moth
github integrates with tons of providers to detect secrets and automatically flag them
including aws so that commit in the tweet couldn't be made today
so yeah that tool really isn't all that interesting for public projects on github
token scanning has been a thing for years
warm anchor
sucks to be some newbie though or accidentally exposed 
meager tusk
https://twitter.com/KitPloit/status/1492608024334245893
Wow @radiant oriole this is a really unfortunate tool huh
Real unfortunate for a certain someone
worn ember
Doesn't make sense to use SVG for something like that tho
meager tusk
Doesn't make sense to use SVG for something like that tho
Yeah, bro.
Just use a JPG.
vernal moth
Doesn't make sense to use SVG for something like that tho
instead you want me to specify 10 million different image sizes?
because you know, there is no standard
worn ember
instead you want me to specify 10 million different image sizes?
don't really have to, you can just set the biggest one and let the browsers downscale it
having a proper standard would be better than having it use svg
creating a solution to problem instead of fixing the problem
vernal moth
don't really have to, you can just set the biggest one and let the browsers down...
because thankfully every browser supports downscaling like that
whats wrong with svg?
worn ember
nothing wrong with it. Just that you wont see the benefit of it on such a small image
but yeah the outsizing is nice ig
but you run in the same issue as everywhere else, its not standardized 
https://www.emergeinteractive.com/insights/detail/the-essentials-of-favicons/
tools like photoshop let you export it for all sizes at once, so its really not that big of a deal
theres like 7 sizes at most
you'd also have to take into account that you can now "install websites" so OS's would have to support svg icons too
vernal moth
fun fact
safari supports svgs for PWAs
well safari doesn't have PWAs
but their pinned tab thing
worn ember
so yeah, in an ideal world everything supports svg and whoever uses it defines the sizes of it, but we all know that'll probably never happen lol
vernal moth
well, virtually everybody but apple does support it
worn ember
i'm sure they'll make their own format eventually, and have it be the future
idk why i find dashboards so satisfying to look at lol
smoky cloud
Hello Grafana my old friend
I love looking at a dashboard and seeing a server with a load average of 1800%
vernal moth
I love looking at shit like that
at work I have instance, so I can trace every single request thru every single app at work, its so nice
smoky cloud
I look at the servers I manage and cry
void void
@ Spottedleaf pls fix
wide chasm
In general, more single core. Generally look for CPUs with good single-threaded performance.
ashen cliff
Finds list of Java flags that are inspired by Aikar.
Random flags that have always been default on just added to look fancy.
proud lance
@ Spottedleaf pls fix
worn ember
>Finds list of Java flags that are inspired by Aikar.
Random flags that have alw...
Seems like a common theme in the mc space
ashen cliff
I really want to make an issue there just to shitpost.
But Kenny has that covered apparently.
To be fair, me duplicating two flags and catching people "stealing" my flags was probably the best idea I made.
barren olive
smoky cloud
golden gust
youtube hates you
youtube-dl is basically broken and they need to update for youtube basically doing stupid changes in order to get full speed
golden gust
fwiw, yt-dlp is what I've been using recently and it seems to work
vernal moth
Too late am not going back up again
golden gust
I might have had some issues with it grabbing the wrong quality, however
golden gust
bad apple or GTFO
vernal moth
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCI7ktPB6toqucpkkCiolwLg
Dafuq is up with the thumbnails
I ain't clicking on those video, it would ruin my recommendations, lmao
golden gust
She cosplays and plays themes and other bits and pieces
She came up on my recs somehow a few dozen months ago and, well, science; and music, in one!
vernal moth
It's actually fun to play too
toxic copper
Anyone build here and able to help?
topaz mortar
You mean ./gradlew clean build ?
toxic copper
You mean `./gradlew clean build` ? <:kekwhyper:674093681904713729>
What is that /shrug
re
fail
¯_(ツ)_/¯
golden gust
This is not the place for solicitation
toxic copper
It is general sir/maam
golden gust
that doesn't change the rules.
toxic copper
Social / Off Topic general community chatter. Tacos, Cats, Taylor, and Burning of Leafs.
The chat topic
Social
golden gust
This is not the place to find people to help with your server
Those are the rules
if you wanna debate on that point you will be yeeted.
toxic copper
Ooh thats what u meant
topaz mortar
You're doing stuff that belongs to Service & Recruitment
toxic copper
O
Sorrryyyyyyyyyyy
also what is that command 0-0
Who wants to talk to me about talking to CPS
0-0
(Child Protection Services)
waxen panther
???
twin lagoon
@waxen panther
jovial dagger
any good plugin for disguise that works from 1.8 to 1.18 with TAB compatibility? ping btw
opal tangle
If someone can join my server to test something please pm me
Bedrock and java both work
red timber
yes
toxic copper
oooooooof
still sorrel
yes
toxic copper
well rip spigot
topaz mortar
The last time we saw spigotmc.org
toxic copper
aaaaaaaaaaaaa
true canyon
inb4 someone posts a feedback thread there demanding financial compensation for their three-total-purchases-over-a-month premium plugin not being purchasable for a few hours.
honest fulcrum
hello is spigotmc's website down?
true canyon
Look a couple messages higher :3
oblique furnace
how to fix that error pls i trid doing inspect elemen and dosnt workd for me
im now going to restart computer to test wait me
i m back isnt a joke why you think that
im going to open google im going to try if works now
noooo it doent work i cant enter spigot
golden gust
if you're just here to be an annoying troll you will be yeeted.
oblique furnace
okay i stop
true canyon
Aww, I just took my banhammer out of its protective case!
waxen panther
💀
oblique furnace
I though tacos where allowed here
tropic flame
bananas > tacos
golden gust
god, I remember when I got my first toolbox, everything I got I kept in the box
and, at training school it was K because like, I took out the few things I needed that day and all was fine
waxen panther
golden gust
and then I got into actually working, and then you need tools erriwhere, and then it gets to the end of the day and you just wanna GTFO
plucky sparrow
bananas > tacos
why r u a rabbit now
golden gust
tropic flame
that's why
oblique furnace
where I can download plugin while spigot down
real saddle
ohmg 1st time using pc without no lag
tropic flame
where I can download plugin while spigot down
papermc forums
real saddle
is purpur better than paper
oblique furnace
deluxemenus isn't in papermc forums
worn crest
deluxemenus isn't in papermc forums
then wait
real saddle
is purpur better than paper
???
worn crest
is purpur better than paper
i mean you are on the papermc discord.. what do you expect
golden gust
This is paper.
afaik the biggest thing that purpur offers is 2000 config options
if you wanna ask what you gain from using their fork, go ask them
worn crest
afaik the biggest thing that purpur offers is 2000 config options
*mob riding options that normally a plugin should do ^^
remote pelican
Hello? Does anyone having problems loading Spigotmc website?
golden gust
-.-
muted storm
lol wow that's even annoying to me
golden gust
I miss the IRC days 😦
waxen panther
electroniccat
muted storm
Hey cat boy, did you know that the Spigot forums are down? :(( can u fix pls?
golden gust
Choco
muted storm
:))
golden gust
I SWEAR TO JEBUS
muted storm
NO NOT JEBUS
golden gust
HONK HONK
waxen panther
any one problem with spigotmc ? ?
void void
guys is spigot down?
golden gust
It's not mod abuse if I claim temp insanity, is it?
quiet mesa
waxen panther
god i hate them so much
tropic flame
deluxemenus isn't in papermc forums
find the project on github
and if it's not on GitHub nor in other git cloud sort of thing then it's probably not open source so you shouldn't waste your time with it anyways 👀
spare venture
eyebleach from that conversation
true canyon
Spigot site has returned. We can now go back to ignoring it.
warm anchor
It’s ok once paper gets hangar….
golden gust
The good news is that we yeet children
I mean
that may have not came out right, but, I stand by it
muted storm
The good news is that we yeet children
knotty oasis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLcuPVkz3Q4 I love these videos
spare venture
It’s ok once paper gets hangar….
me when hangar is released
void void
bold of you to assume hangar releases before you die of old age
spare venture
wonder what will happen sooner, me dying in ww3 or hangar solving all of my problems
that is very true
i really would like to see more plugins take advantage of papers api
boreal cradle
When you hit a roadblock / boredom with a personal project, do you try and force through it, do you take a break with something unrelated, or do you switch to another project?
hearty spear
My solution, always have lots of projects
I cant get bored when I always have something else to do
wide chasm
I force myself through it, otherwise I'm unlikely to ever return to the project.
honest fulcrum
hello i am looking for a place where i can find papermc for 1.17, not 1.17.1, but just 1.17
is there any place i can find it
golden gust
left swift
apoi
lilac zephyr
void void
You can also just scroll down on the downloads page
lilac zephyr
ah cat was faster
honest fulcrum
You can also just scroll down on the downloads page
no i cant its not there
its just builds of 1.17.1
left swift
before that was 1.17
foggy veldt
Minecraft will die before hangar is released
Paper needs to invest in its future and start an NFT
They have the prime scammable audience
void void
I’m sure mini will love that idea
vernal moth
I mean, people could, you know, help
native wolf
imagine hundreds of variants of paper-chan jpgs sold as NFTs
foggy veldt
<!doctype html>
<html lang="en">
<head>
<meta charset="utf-8">
<title>Hangar | Not Found</title>
<meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1">
</head>
<body>
<p>The requested resource could not be found.</p>
</body>
</html>
Got further in to that NFT video I linked last night (it's a long watch, been doing it in segments)
TIL you can send someone an NFT that, if they try to sell it, transfer it, delete it, whatever, has a smart contract embedded that will send all their ETH to you
vernal moth
Contracts are nasty, ye
magic river
They can't reject the NFT either, if you know their wallet address they can't defend against this other than by knowing that's shady and ensuring they don't touch it
void void
Got further in to that NFT video I linked last night (it's a long watch, been do...
Folding Ideas'?
(if so) It's a very potent presentation
worn ember
TIL you can send someone an NFT that, if they try to sell it, transfer it, delet...
just screenshot it 
radiant oriole
TIL you can send someone an NFT that, if they try to sell it, transfer it, delet...
Not really, it wouldn’t conform to the standard in this case and if it were embedded in the contract, you’d be notified of this before the transaction by any competent wallet including metamask.
You’re likely thinking of an attack where attackers were able to embed some JavaScript inside of an NFT of an SVG (in the SVG file itself) and when loaded on opensea, would make fake transactions that would actually empty your wallet.
twin lagoon
yeah that does not sound possible at all
red timber
yep
warm anchor
All that work you could’ve just right click save image without someone taking your money 
magic river
Fucking printers man
I just spent an hour trying to get mine back on the wifi, including typing in my wifi name and password via up, down, and ok buttons, twice
I finally found a USB-B cable so I could connect wired to it but only the Windows software can use that to program the network so I just had my roommate send me the files they wanted printed for now
As I was waiting for them to print I noticed the wifi light on the printer was on solid again
Checked my phone and sure enough, it was on the network
Even though the last state I left it in should have been not having any network configuration to even try to connect to
I guess it remembered the credentials from my failed setup attempt and just randomly started working again
Fucking printers
golden gust
fuckin a
magic river
As a part of doing this I discovered my printer doesn't have an ethernet port, it's only wifi and USB
magic river
But I discovered that after digging out two spare ethernet cables to see if they would reach from my switch on my desk before finally disconnecting my switch and trying to use its cable
Hopefully the DHCP pinning on my router was set up, can't remember if I did that after the fiasco of the OpenWRT upgrade last weekend
ashen cliff
Mine has WiFi, but not really, since they didn't include the module.
USB + Raspberry Pi it is.
warm anchor
Mine actually has a print app and was surprisingly better
Maybe my expectation for printer app was already at bottom so anything workable is a plus
ashen cliff
The Epson one just worked with the default Google printer app thingy without an issue, while I had it.
golden gust
I mean, printers are mostly commodity stuff now
Like, I doubt that there is much of a difference between printers these days so the apps just kinda get done over the years and eventually become acceptable
ethernet is no longer a concern because who cares to have their printer near the router when everything is wireless these days, might as well save on the pennies
warm anchor
Yeah this is my first time using a smart phone app for printer so pleasantly surprised pretty much
golden gust
think that it's part of the beauty of stuff is that everything is integratable into a single chip for a good chunk of stuff these days, especially arm CPUs
warm anchor
Remember the old day of entering an email / WiFi password manually with those 1-9 keys (press multiple times for alphabet selection)
golden gust
T9 go brr
warm anchor
Now I can just put the paper on scanner, use app to scan and email 
magic river
Printers these days support AirPrint, IPP, or most commonly both
So no drivers or apps needed, just click add printer in your OS
golden gust
Like the photocopiers at uni had an app on them which you opened, scanned your ID card and then you could pull up your print queue and print whatever you pushed onto the queue, or scan something and it ends up in your email
warm anchor
Windows also gotten better covering all drivers in whatever their database so you don’t have to go to the horrid manufacture site to seek out that one driver your OS don’t know about
magic river
Windows shouldn't even need different drivers for most of them
warm anchor
Printers these days support AirPrint, IPP, or most commonly both
Oh yes mine has AirPrints so I can print via my iPhone
golden gust
their driver database is better for the printer specific features but the core features are there too
magic river
Probably still gets them though so it can show logos and whatever special snowflake crap the printer wants to do
golden gust
Like, you don't need drivers for printers these days unless you want access to all of the options, etc
magic river
IPP is yet another example of reinventing the world on top of HTTP 😄
AirPrint is probably a WebObjects thing so it's reinventing printing as Java-levels of bloated hierarchies as XML on top of HTTP
errant yew
@eager nimbus dms?
ancient bolt
airprint is love
simplest and most reliable printing system I've used, almost never have issues
but i always assumed airprint was built on top of cups
viscid wedge
I cannot get my stupid Brother laser printer to work with cups, no matter what I try
viscid wedge
Well, it's my dad's
ancient bolt
have you tried your sister?
spare venture
i thought brother was considered a good brand
golden gust
never had any issues with the hardware itself
but the software, oh jesus can it be picky
ashen cliff
Bro.
magic river
Twitter
Did they have a stroke while writing this or did I have one while reading this?
This is just gibberish, right?
ancient bolt
yes, pure gibberish
limber knotBOT
"So two weeks ago, this user "heckshine" joins the Discord and introduces himself. He's currently working at Ubisoft and offers to help with 3D design and animation." how is "Ubisoft" not a massive red flag smh
spare venture
wait what the fuck is Metaverse I though that was facebook/metas name for their VR mmo
potent spire
@tulip abyss Hello
cunning raft
idk why, from what i understand facebook doesn't really support anything web3
ancient bolt
when you're as catastrophically stupid as web3 / NFT / cryptobros are, nothing is surprising
foggy veldt
Oh it’s an mmo? I thought it was just some concept for their rebrand like discord Danny devito shit they did
tulip abyss
<@821886307843964959> Hello
There is one unspoken rule of Discord
do not mention your friends in mutual servers
And then what did you go and do
Okay and also don't use light mode but
Shush
potent spire
There is one unspoken rule of Discord
**do not mention your friends in mutual se...
hehe
limber knotBOT
metaverse has been a term for over 30 years, facebook doesn't own it and people knew that they can just hop on to it
spare venture
web3 peeps kinda hopped on the name
that makes more sense
limber knotBOT
facebook literally pulled the dumbest corporate identity change ever and I wouldn't be surprised if that costs them massively in the long run
cunning raft
facebook literally pulled the dumbest corporate identity change ever and I would...
wasn't an identity change
limber knotBOT
it was coined in cyberpunk novels of the last century
spare venture
kinda makes sense when they are way more than just facebook
limber knotBOT
google didn't start marketing everything as alphabet though
limber knotBOT
facebook is now only the social media network, everything else is now Meta
spare venture
instagram?
little frost
i actually saw "by Meta" in a few places
limber knotBOT
Instagram is a company by Meta
cunning raft
that's all it is ^
spare venture
right
spare venture
i don’t see that’s different from alphabet
limber knotBOT
they are trying to push their Metaverse hard by renaming
if the metaverse fails so will meta, they now linked their company directly to that "product"
ancient bolt
the move was entirely to reduce how much the name "facebook" is on everything since people hate it so much. they are even hardcore struggling to hire people now
cunning raft
they're trying to make Meta a know name sure but they won't fail if the metaverse does lmfao
spare venture
i genuinely don’t know what facebooks metaverse is, when they announced it i thought they were making an mmo
cunning raft
the metaverse is just a side project
golden gust
they straight up said that the reason they rebranded to meta was cos of their name being disliked
limber knotBOT
the general idea is that all facebook products (including their VR/AR world Horizon) is the "meta-verse"
cunning raft
im sure that's what prompted the corp restructure now
left swift
hey jroy
cunning raft
but it wasn't a rebrand
limber knotBOT
they should've just picked a way less loaded name and be done with it lmao
left swift
guess what
golden gust
okay, reimaging
magic river
Didn't they do an Alphabet?
cunning raft
yes
magic river
Did they just change the name of Facebook or did they make a new parent company which owns the Facebook company?
limber knotBOT
with the difference that pretty much all of the Google products are still Google products, not Alphabet ones 👀
cunning raft
not true
cunning raft
Did they just change the name of Facebook or did they make a new parent company ...
new parent company which owns the Facebook company
magic river
Google mostly seems to have given up on the Alphabet stuff, sure
cunning raft
they never tried to market it
magic river
Nest is Google Nest
cunning raft
well for name recognition sure
spare venture
yeah that’s true they didn’t fully drop it
magic river
From 2015 (start of Alphabet) to 2018 it was under Alphabet
spare venture
but googles name didn’t have such a negative connotation, so no super reason to drop it
golden gust
I don't think that they created a new company
limber knotBOT
facebook rebranded, they didn't create a new company: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta_Platforms#Rebranding
golden gust
^^
magic river
They put it back as a part of Google and changed the name to Google Nest in 2018
spare venture
google home too, right?
ancient bolt
iirc the company is now named Meta, and the product is Facebook
spare venture
google store, google pixel
ancient bolt
and there's not a company called facebook
spare venture
yes
ancient bolt
yeah cause "facebook" is tied to so much dirty shit
spare venture
anyway, the name change prob did them good
ancient bolt
they're just trying to get away from it
limber knotBOT
Alphabet makes a lot more sense tbh. That way they can invest/buy stuff that isn't directly related to their core Google business
spare venture
there is so much negative connotation with the name facebook
limber knotBOT
the Meta/Facebook thing is literally just because of the name/advertising the metaverse
spare venture
hell a good chunk of people have seen a movie about how much a piece of shit sucker web is
zuckerberg
magic river
I think they said the point of Alphabet was to let them do moonshot stuff without people expecting it to be a Google product (or work)
limber knotBOT
if they really cared they would get rid of the zuck and the magement lmao
spare venture
that’s true
magic river
They literally cannot get rid of Zuck
Even if every other shareholder and board member agreed he had to go he can just say no
spare venture
just dilute his shares like they did to that one guy
magic river
They can't dilute his shares without a vote
spare venture
yeah i was kidding
magic river
Which he decides the outcome of
limber knotBOT
they can just gift me a couple millions and I'll vote for them ;D
golden gust
Yea, all you can often do is basically convince him to leave
limber knotBOT
just forge a couple shares, works at the stock market all the time right?
spare venture
given that he tricked saverin into having his shares diluted
golden gust
but, I somewhat figure he'd drop a nuke before he leaves
spare venture
not with all his money tied into it
cunning raft
given that he tricked saverin into having his shares diluted
none of that stuff happens nowadays 
spare venture
yea
cunning raft
there's 17 lawyers in any room people like him walk in
spare venture
still wild it happened because they were obviously worth a decent amount at that point
never trust company lawyers
limber knotBOT
Guys, I finally have a spider bro in my room again! <3
magic river
I think there are even bedrock-only servers that are just paper+geyser 😛
But yeah, considering the number of people looking for help with geyser broke the other day (or I guess technically floodgate broke) it must be getting some use
No one here actually runs a server though, we're all jaded assholes who went from player to server owner to dev and maybe don't even do that anymore
native wolf
There's a lot of Bedrock players
Setting up Geyser may be worth it
But you need to take into account things like anticheats and stuff
That's true, but still
You never know what can happen
tropic flame
I think there are even bedrock-only servers that are just paper+geyser 😛
makes sense, when the java's plugin ecosystem gives 10-0 to bedrock's at the moment
doesn't windows 10 minecraft actually need lower requirements?
since it uses i think DirectX 9
now with java edition requiring OpenGL 3.1 that'd be more equivalent to like DirectX 10/10.1 if that's even a thing
limber knotBOT
pretty sure it has a simulation distance of like 3 chunks lol
native wolf
Yeah lol
On most Bedrock devices you can't really get the simulation distance higher than 6 i think
But i know what you are talking about, Bedrock has some kind of LoD rendering
Which is actually nice tbh
I use Sodium and i think i saw that too
magic river
Wow AvE is really going all in on the political videos now
In his latest one he said a Jewish man's name in a really weird manner too, not sure if that was just a cadence thing or something worse...
rancid void
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fctiF_-RYMU 2 am recommendations are something else today
lag.exe
olive kite
So, my Minecraft server has gotten pinged by and AWS Compute server (did a reverse lookup and checked the hostname information)
They're only pinging my Waterfall proxy, so they're not getting any useful plugin info (they're pinging every 10 min or so)
Any thoughts on this?
merry talon
no thoughts
olive kite
Alrighty, I'm thinking it's weird for them to repeatedly ping the same server, if they were scraping for exploitable servers they'd have moved on by now. Just wanted to put this out there in case someone else had a similar experience.
true canyon
Is the game over? Did the Bills win?
lilac moon
what flavor is a potato
Potato flavor
silver nexus
Is the game over? Did the Bills win?
you asking about the funny ad show that gets interrupted by annoying football?
spare venture
rams
viscid wedge
So, my Minecraft server has gotten pinged by and AWS Compute server (did a rever...
You're probably just being scraped by one of however many thousand scanner bots exist in the wild
if you're concerned, drop the IP in your firewall
olive kite
Already did yeah. I wonder what market there is for scraped server info
viscid wedge
It's usually opportunistic and not typically Minecraft related
woven python
and testing for log4j vuln
olive kite
I usually get the "Bad Magic" alert from scrapers, so I was worried when it showed them using the proper ping protocol. (I'm on an uncommon port)
viscid wedge
I do netsec for a medium sized forestry firm, we see 100+ of these kinds of bots per day
I even get them on my home network sometimes since there's exposed ssh/https
olive kite
Had one go for my sftp the other day. This is why we can't have nice things 🥲
viscid wedge
I mean, if your stuff is set up properly it's a non-issue
do not ever use passwords for single factor ssh authentication
olive kite
Yeah, I only expose what I need to, and I have some processes in place to alert me if there've been too many attempts
viscid wedge
combine them with key-based auth or a hardware TOTP key
olive kite
I use a VPS as a proxy for al my external services, or a vpn depending what it is
viscid wedge
combine them with key-based auth or a hardware TOTP key
If whoever you're defending against can break RSA or EdDSA, you're already fucked anyways lmao
olive kite
Yeah, true enough.
self hosted 2 factor is on my todo list atm
blazing cradle
Is it normal for leaves to burn in the nether even if doFireTick is false?
had somebody on our SMP say their builds were catching fire in the Nether, I doubted, but I just tested it myself, and confirmed doFireTick was false
leaves caught fire when near lava....that supposed to happen?
vernal moth
<@!134340832093405184> do you use Gosu at work?
No. Looks ugly too. Not even sure what the usecase is
little frost
Is it normal for leaves to burn in the nether even if doFireTick is false?
gamerules are per-world
worn ember
No. Looks ugly too. Not even sure what the usecase is
Me neither haha. Just someone that asked about it
Syntax looks a bit like pooplin
little frost
good morning mini
void void
helo
vernal moth
o/
brave tundra
h
vernal moth
Why the fuck do I get recognize everywhere nowadays?
little frost
celebrity mini
vernal moth
Am mod on some FOSS project which is completely unrelated to Minecraft and we have like people coming and asking questions and at least once a month somebody recognizes me
It's directus, open source headless CMS, check is out!
In other news, just saw a specialist about getting LASIK, I qualify \o/
So now I need to think about if I actually wanna do it, lmao
vernal moth
Kek it's lol768
warm anchor
With a name like Minidagger kinda hard to not remember 
prime coral
mini who?
vernal moth
And it's not even mine
One day I'll build my own version
Maybe I should just hire somebody to do that, lmao
Found this program yesterday maybe ill give it a try
Yell yeah, I can finally install windows ony phone!
Beautiful
void void
But why, why would you do that
vernal moth
Why not?
You can use your Android phone, install win11 and then install some Android apps to go full cycle
golden gust
if you used an MS account you should be able to login to your MS account
otherwise look for a sticker
otherwise glhf
proud lance
would be nice to come into work, connect your phone to thunderbolt and then use windows 11 then unplug it and go home
golden gust
I mean, seems redundant
proud lance
how so
golden gust
because I mean, you gotta have something to dock into
so either you're gonna have bulky hardware in two places, or you're already gonna have a laptop you can dock which is gonna be more powerful than a phone
I guess if most of what you're doing is office stuff/emails maybe it's not much of an issue, but, I don't really see the gains
proud lance
just a dock, but if you have a laptop you might already have that setup, its just easier to carry a phone around than a laptop
golden gust
also, you couldn't really use the phone as a phone when it's docked
proud lance
both my mac and pixel 5 have usb c
golden gust
e.g. much resources going towards the virtualisation, the cable, poor cooling would make the device hot which isn't ideal for the battery inside
I could maybe see like a magical PC card style thing
storage, SOC on a single card style thing which you can plug into something on the desk or into a portable shell with a battery, but, I can't see it taking off anytime soon
you still need the desk space, you still need the shell it uses, etc
especially with stuff like cloud storage and such being the norm here, I just don't really see it
void void
hey i wanted to start a mc server again, looking for hosting, which ones are good? all what keeps popping up is shockbyte but i remember its garbage lol
ohhh found a discord im still in nvm
People generally recommend bloom.host and dedicatedmc here
left swift
no opinions
toxic copper
.
toxic copper
1.18.1 pvp
ez
golden gust
The people that want 1.8 PvP are generally the same people complaining that the game is stale
so 🤷♂️
left swift
I prefer to eat crayons
toxic copper
same
golden gust
Oh
toxic copper
blue ones taste the best
golden gust
I didn't know you served
toxic copper
a y o
left swift
beta 1.7.3 pvp
warm anchor
rare python
Set up backups like a week ago with borg
24 hourly, 7 daily, 4 weekly
I am impressed at how good of a job it does.
left swift
borger
ashen cliff
I mean, we compress like 700GB down to 200GB. Thanks you zstd. 🛌
smoky cloud
Does zstd compress better or worse than GZip? I honestly haven’t looked into it
Then again I feel like Gzip is a low bar to set
ashen cliff
Does zstd compress better or worse than GZip? I honestly haven’t looked into it
Way better.
And faster.
golden gust
afaik windows heavily relies on the file extention
many individual apps care about the actual file header
ashen cliff
To be fair, by default most Linux apps use file extensions for type search.
golden gust
Yea, I mean, it's a weird mixture of stuff
some stuff will use the mime types determined from the header
some apps will rely on the file extention for at least getting you part way there
smoky cloud
Way better.
Guess I’ll move my stuff over and see how that goes
golden gust
windows seems to err more towards file types
I'd imagine most stuff is stored in the registry on that regard in windows
golden gust
Yea, I aw that for 2 seconds and had a quick peek
seems interesting in that they're gonna be toying with new stuff
Just, Q4 2022 musk schedule?
vernal moth
It's a dragon flight so not unrealistic if they got the suit
golden gust
do have to wonder what the plan is for the next space station though
much potentially interesting stuff gonna happen over the next 10 years or so
fiery glen
left swift
yes
crystal lilyBOT
Anti Xray configuration guide: https://gist.github.com/stonar96/ba18568bd91e5afd590e8038d14e245e
left swift
kenny
real saddle
ya i copied all these and replace the things in paper.yml
but players can still xray
void void
read the guide, it explains the difference between engine mode one and two
left swift
when they xray
real saddle
no
void void
and engine mode one isn't perfect
twin lagoon
you can still xray with engine mode 1
limber knotBOT
wtf is up with chrome not loading sites while firefox works just fine -.-
twin lagoon
then use engine mode 1
left swift
chrome hates u
real saddle
im using that but x ray problem
real saddle
its for frnds
real saddle
thats not possible
void void
then get new friends that don't xray
left swift
twin lagoon
tbf you have shit friends if they xray even if you tell them not to
languid karma
Bro just /ban them lmao
real saddle
thats what i told its frnds cant punish them
left swift
then stop caring
real saddle
what i want is to prevent them doing that
left swift
turn off the server
left swift
u got some weird ass abusive relationship if them cheating on your server and them making it your problem is the issue
quasi valley
You were already given all the options you have