I can see it without clicking
#general
lilac moon
void void
south matrix
now do it without the spaces
magic river
proud lance
what do the french say?
magic river
void void
magic river
warm anchor
magic river
Holy shit TIL SirActionSlacks has one of his item hotkeys in dota set to $ so he can put midas there
His item hotkeys are goofy as hell, something line pn-!=$
novel horizon
ew
magic river
rare python
So you know how stickey keys can make a loud noise
People in my class keep using it
And the teacher can't figure it out
Its quite entertaining.
magic river
TIL there was a US Senate hearing on log4j
rare python
Lol wot
magic river
ashen cliff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTgTe5HBYvg
Moments after that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3418SeWZfQ
rare python
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTgTe5HBYvg
Interesting, wonder if MC was mentioned.
ashen cliff
Why would it be?
magic river
They had some kind of representative of the Apache Foundation there
rare python
_Why would it be?_
Well it's one of the most notable uses of log4j when it comes to the general public.
vernal moth
We basically did break the story
It was known as the Minecraft vounerability initially
void void
Anyone got that log4j copypasta?
Found it: https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/rehnfm/log4j_has_officially_ruined_my_weekend/
vernal moth
Did you watch the starship presentation amaranth?
magic river
Ah, the Apache guy is the President of the foundation and Head of Open Source Strategy & Marketing at AWS
vernal moth
Some nice new numbers
magic river
Which kind of just sounds like they pay him to run the Apache Foundation 😛
Nah, I missed it, will probably watch tomorrow or just catch the highlights
Oh he mentioned Minecraft
void void
fresh marsh
Hey there, I've been running ubuntu server for a while, do you run it under an SSD? Anytime the server starts going into swap I get giant lag spikes, I'm running it under 7400 RPM drives. I have 8gb of ram but I have to run the server with 5120MB at most and set swappiness to 0 to minimize swap use as much as possible.
spice finch
It's my desktop PC ;) But HDDs drives arent the best for swap
I guess you can't do anything about it lagging
neat oyster
YES i bought a node at bloom
fresh marsh
It's my desktop PC \;) But HDDs drives arent the best for swap
Ill check out if i could set its priority at max/near max, maybe it won't get swapped then?
neat oyster
the bloom panel is rely nice
vernal moth
UX is such a fun topic
I learned a new thing today, if you got a landing page with a picture of people, you wanna have them look towards your CTA, that drastically changes eye flow towards your CTA
guy had trump as a negative example, lmao
spotify is a good example
little frost
Hey there, I've been running ubuntu server for a while, do you run it under an S...
completely unrelated but is that the Perspective guy in your picture
still sorrel
neat oyster
hmm is there a way to configure a domain without port for mc
if server is not on 25565
vernal moth
And then suffer cause srv records are horrible and cause issues left and right
neat oyster
sed
prime coral
fresh marsh
completely unrelated but is that the Perspective guy in your picture
It is!
little frost
wonder how many people know about that game
fresh marsh
Not a lot lol, I've been using that as my icon since the game came out and you're maybe the 4-5th person to recognise it (or at least to let me know you did)
sullen shore
Is there a dupe glitch for paper ?
void void
not that we know of
sullen shore
Or can I somehow cheat on a paper server
vernal moth
hopefully not!
wow I just saw an issue I created for springfox was linked in the official spring boot release notes cause it contains possible fixes to breakage, thats cool https://github.com/spring-projects/spring-boot/wiki/Spring-Boot-2.6-Release-Notes
void geyser
piss water 👍
spare venture
wait i can’t cheat on paper server? 😡
tropic flame
wait i can’t cheat on paper server? 😡
no, you cannot hack the paper kernel
fresh marsh
Cheating on paper is easy, you just need one of these : ✂️
primal solar
or just the strength of a hamster since paper is not particularly hard to tear
fresh marsh
Dont get a paper cut tho
spare venture
the fuck?
void geyser
Wtf is sussi
sussi baka
void geyser
Just give up, amogus is everywhere, look at your thumb
neat oyster
Yes
no one can stop it.
it is actually a part of my vocabulary now , i can't get it out.
rare tiger
or just the strength of a hamster since paper is not particularly hard to tear
your username doesnt make any sense what are you importing static
vernal moth
it is actually a part of my vocabulary now , i can't get it out.
Am sorry for your loss
neat oyster
sorry for my loss me.
smoky cloud
night parcel
how is going
spare venture
do you think everyone who says amogus and sussy realize how cringey they are
plucky sparrow
Well yes
spare venture
i mean i guess every 10-14 year old is always going to be cringey
spare venture
yeah when i was that age we were pretty cringe with rage comics
plucky sparrow
You need to be quite young (probably 6-12) to find those words funny
vernal moth
What happened to the discord age limit
spare venture
yeah
left swift
amaranth
vernal moth
Booster 4, Starship 20, and the booster is 69m tall
It would be such a shame if 4/20 doesn't fly
But: there's a chance they fly on 4/20, lol
left swift
vernal moth
Which would be extremely cool cause it's Hitler's birthday
Wait
No
It would be extremely cool cause it's also my birthday
magic river
Wait I've got it, Mini is....
So yeah, I didn't actually get that much out of Musk's presentation
vernal moth
Yeah he was holding back
magic river
Other than 1 hour between launches for the booster being the goal
vernal moth
The numbers for raptor 2 where already known
I guess the new animations are cool, the way they do refiling is different
neat oyster
yeess
left swift
have they sent people into space yet or just cargo/tests
vernal moth
SpaceX routinely brings astronauts to the ISS using Falcon 9 and dragon
But this is about star ship, which is just tests, yes
Will take a few years for manned flights
They haven't even launched the full stack yet
left swift
star ship is the one for commercial flights right
vernal moth
Cause they have to wait for environmental approval
All of SpaceX rockets are for commercial flights, it's a commercial company, lol
magic river
Starship hasn't been to space at all yet
vernal moth
One of the first missions of starship with be the dear moon mission where some rich Asian wants to take a few artists on a trip around the moon
The other big one is Artemis, nasas human landing on the moon
vernal moth
Starship hasn't been to space at all yet
It will this year tho
magic river
iirc based on their test flights Starship by itself is capable of getting to LEO, assuming it has no payload
So they could have done it already 😛
sharp spindle
is the 
emoji a joke or do people actually not like kotlin
asking fr cus i never used kotlin
magic river
is also an emote so it's a little of column a and a little of column b
magic river
In the Android world, sure
sharp spindle
i really dont see the benefit for making a plugin xd
golden gust
kotlin is a bible
some people raise it up like it's the word of god
(I mean, it is, all bow down to jetbrains)
some people hate it
some people joke about hating it
left swift
no politics cat
magic river
For plugins there are issues with having to ship the stdlib with your stuff
golden gust
Welcome to software development
Kotlin is nice in some aspects, but, jetbrains also made some stupid choices but, find me a perfect language/environment 🤷♂️
sharp spindle
Kotlin is nice in some aspects, but, jetbrains also made some stupid choices but...
paper for c# when
shoot my bad
always forget
golden gust
looks at literally every project which tried to redo the server
lol
one of my first programming tasks when I was young dumb and full of cu... er... was a C# minecraft networking library thing
left swift
redo the server in skript
golden gust
vernal moth
I wrote a Minecraft client in c# before
golden gust
Yea, this was like a "fun" project I did back maaany years ago before I'd really gotten into programming
foggy veldt
Concrete - blazing fast Minecraft server written in Rust
- multi threaded so you can achieve better performance than vanilla server
- written from scratch and MIT license
- implements only handshake so you can fully customize every aspect of the server however you want
golden gust
Like, I'd toyed with VB once or twice for the lols but furthest I ever got was an on screen progress bar for the battery level 😄
wide chasm
written from with scratch*
magic river
static badge
magic river
left swift
feather pog
magic river
It probably handles datapacks better than Paper does 😛
magic river
I think the only thing feather knows how to do with entities is spawn players and living entities, position packets, and sneak/sprint
So yeah, not a whole lot there
untold meadow
it's really not a Minecraft project if it doesn't have a dumb random single word noun as a project title is it
sharp spindle
_looks at literally every project which tried to redo the server_
i tried to redo it, its on my github called pinguframework. stopped as soon as i saw the chunk data packet
got as far as to loading in the player into the world without movement and rendering
wide chasm
it's really not a Minecraft project if it doesn't have a dumb random single word...
It must be a block/item from Minecraft otherwise it doesn't count.
That's why Paper counts and Spigot doesn't 😉
tropic flame
It must be a block/item from Minecraft otherwise it doesn't count.
either that or a word that reminds you of "utopia"
magic river
That wasn't a real MC project so it doesn't count 😄
rare tiger
one of my first programming tasks when I was young dumb and full of cu... er... ...
full of what?
rare tiger
ahhh, okay makes sense
tropic flame
doesn't know idiom, probably
i was in the same situation lmao
rare tiger
i know what it wouldn't be
tropic flame
yeah adding an m at the end didn't make sense at all
rare tiger
exactly
magic river
Now I'm not sure if this is a "low-t beta male" joke or not
magic river
Needs more Brainforce
neat oyster
banana
golden gust
well, I was practically being fucked over by the family company back then, so, you know 😄
left swift
what do I know
golden gust
hands over a blank piece of paper to nomana
there, the penultimate list of stuff you know!
left swift
what's a list
golden gust
(Your nametag is the ultimate list of stuff you know
(That statement is not a coverup for me misusing the word penultimate, fite me
left swift
smh
void void
It must be a block/item from Minecraft otherwise it doesn't count.
Or a random element from the periodic table
lilac moon
Or a random thing in real life too
untold meadow
minestom really the only exception and their name is dogshit as well :')
it's just a portmanteau of minecraft and custom
lilac moon
custom?
untold meadow
yeah, bc you have to code everything so
void void
Oh, thats where the name comes from
plucky sparrow
Talking about minestom, I wanna make something with it but idk what
wait
allay killing machine
@void void do you approve
untold meadow
im gonna write a velocity plugin that boots up a minestom lobby server soon
very excited
twin lagoon
Ok Kezz
void void
<@456226577798135808> do you approve
No!
untold meadow
Ok Michael
plucky sparrow
Yea honestly Minestom looks really cool
wide chasm
I'll get back to doing something with Minestom soon. And with soon I mean, probably in a couple of years.
untold meadow
it's great as long as you go into it understanding that you have to do everything
untold meadow
yeah absolutely, if it's easier to add features than it is to remove them from vanilla, go with minestom
plucky sparrow
If you don’t need vanilla crap Minestom seems really ideal
rare tiger
(That statement is not a coverup for me misusing the word penultimate, fite me
indubitably!!
tropic flame
it's just a portmanteau of minecraft and custom
lol i just read it like "minestorm" but without the r
with the o as in storm instead of the o as in custom
lilac moon
lego mindstorms
ripe sphinx
<https://minestorm.net/>
how much to commission someone to do that for Luckyperms lol
limber knotBOT
ok so they are writing a complete new server implementation independent from mojang code... but are still including the trademarked term "Minecraft" in the source/api? 
golden gust
I doubt it's clean room anyways
worn ember
neinstorm
left swift
nice jroy
limber knotBOT
Mandala effect 👀
warm anchor
JRoy just woke up. Please be patient with him 
worn ember
my patience runs thin
left swift
jroy doesnt deserve patience
lavish compass
@warm anchor 
warm anchor
@lavish compass 
left swift
@plucky sparrow 
plucky sparrow
ugh
worn ember
@plucky sparrow
plucky sparrow
dont ping me you useless fuck
golden gust
get some nuts
left swift
get ur own nuts
tropic flame
get deez nuts haha gottem
golden gust
golden gust
God, I love it
some of the snickers commercials where just dope af
meanwhile, that one got pulled because apparently people started complaining that it was like, treating LQBT people as 2nd class peeps
golden gust
cos u f@
left swift
you need to see it
plucky sparrow
if so no, not really
golden gust
next he's gonna be fucking pinky up when he drinks from a glass
left swift
yea dap ur a gross mcyt fan you have no class
plucky sparrow
who r u
little frost
<https://minestorm.net/>
lowkey spooky website, i love it
hushed notch
Hi all, Paper is primarily patches to official release, yeah? I'm looking to find deobf source specific to entity updates. Is that something still available online?
golden gust
well, basically, yes
frank otter
huh
spare venture
so the way domains work is they point you from that domain to the IP
opal flint
i want to setup firewalls and only i should have acces on ip
and players should be able to join with only domain name
i have custom domain but i need help to set up firewall configuration players should join with domain name for example myserver:25565 but they should not connect with ip 1xx.1x5.1xx.xx2
only i should have acces on that ip only i could connect to ssh with that ip
we have bungee and dedicated server on different servers
spare venture
you would need some sort of proxy for them to connect to instead. like tcpshield
this is not a firewall thing
foggy veldt
<https://minestorm.net/>
Honestly I thought it was minestrom I could’ve sworn it had an r
golden gust
firewall doesn't know if you used the hostname or the IP
that info is literally not there at that level
now, minecraft does send that info over the connection, so, you'd need to use a plugin or something for that
frank otter
I don't think tcp does host name unless you support HostSNI which a lot of things don't
so ik I can't proxy it say using traefik
golden gust
tcpshield
spare venture
why are you trying to prevent them from using the IP
frank otter
I'm not sure if minecraft adds the info ontop
golden gust
that's a service, for mc
frank otter
.g tcpshield
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://tcpshield.com/
frank otter
IT'S BACK
opal flint
how can i setup firewall like this only i should connect to ssh from putty
golden gust
mc sends the hostname in the handshake
spare venture
ok let’s start from the top
frank otter
omg discordbot is back
golden gust
ip is ip
spare venture
why do you want them to connect to the domain and not the ip
golden gust
ip doesn't know what hostname you used
ip doesn't know what application you're connecting to or from
opal flint
okay let me explain
golden gust
There is literally 0 to explain here
golden gust
ip does not have the info you're talking about filtering upon something
opal flint
when player was pinging play.myserver.com in cmd server ip was not appearing and even ping was not showing
but players was joining on server without problem
golden gust
probs an SRV record
opal flint
and after our server got restarted
spare venture
definitely was
opal flint
that thing changed
spare venture
what is the problem
spare venture
tcpshield is free
golden gust
I mean, as said, chances are they where just using an SRV record but we don't know what changed on your end, etc
opal flint
free tier has really high ping + we was getting ddosed every day
golden gust
basic networking states that you need to know where you're connecting to
spare venture
tcpshield is your only option
golden gust
So, no doubt it was just an SRV record, which, literally anybody with some basic understanding here could resolve
spare venture
tcpshield free tier ping is pretty much fine
opal flint
and is that possible to block connections on ssh 22 port and allow only my ip?
and how?
golden gust
what?
vague lagoon
spare venture
yes but why would you do that
spare venture
your IP probably changes
golden gust
that shit bites everybody
spare venture
fr
golden gust
just use ssh keys and move on
spare venture
no one is cracking your ssh key
frank otter
I can remember the time before I knew what ssh keys were
red halo
poor soul
golden gust
wat
left swift
5
twin lagoon
@swift root 🥺
stark topaz
what is up gamers
swift root
why thank you
left swift
no, thank you
worn ember
no u
left swift
no u
worn ember
thanks
worn ember
i hate having the notification
golden gust
74? cute
worn ember
block game dev issues
worn ember
i was expecting 999+, disappointed
wide chasm
I like to keep it clean, only have 7 currently.
golden gust
I marked them all as read at some point
so did I, but then I got ill, and it just got crazy and, yea
worn ember
your fault for getting ill
Some girl got covid in our class today and the teacher was like "just go home lol" and then she was like "wtf you guys looking at, get back to work". 10 mins later we get an email from management how we should put in effort to respect the covid rules 
double standards ig
void void
rookie numbers
golden gust
in my defence i did a yeetus deletus a few months ago or something
left swift
I think 80% of my promotions is domino's
ashen cliff
In my case Conrad Electronics and Microsoft.
left swift
languid karma
bro i just got a email to apply for a job
bro im a fucking freshman in high school
twin lagoon
so?
warm anchor
bro im a fucking freshman in high school
thanks pretty normal in some asia region you starting working as soon as you can walk
twin lagoon
@warm anchor
warm anchor
@twin lagoon 
rancid void
I never knew WMA was better than MP3 (at least with very low bitrates)
and it encodes like 3x as fast (not like that really matters for audio 2022)
edit: and not like you should use either. and ironic that wma at the same time is never "transparent" on high bitrates
viscid wedge
why would you use either
rancid void
I was just randomly playing around
I know OPUS is what you should use wherever it's supported
spare venture
how is a bird seagull gonna eat a sheep
vestal jasper
@twin lagoon @twin lagoon @twin lagoon @twin lagoon @twin lagoon @twin lagoon @twin lagoon uwu
warm anchor
hello vic 
tired field
does paper mess with chunkloaders?
ive never been able to get one working
neat oyster
i don't know myself but my server members claimed they work
void void
helo can someone recommend me a plugin to prevent players from griefing the lobby etc and removing placed blocks after a certain time
ashen cliff
WorldGuard?
void void
k thanks i ll try it out and i must leave now
south matrix
after all, he is very bizi
south matrix
wow, good one
real saddle
> nanominer
what is that i never heard about it or saw them in my pc
ashen cliff
I mean, if you didn't install it yourself, then it's 100% malicious.
golden gust
How the fuck am I to know what it is?
We're not fucking google nor are we your system admins
I can hazard a guess wtf it is from the name, however
golden gust
exhaustion => 4 will take 1 away from the saturation
if saturation is empty, it will take from the food level
-4
so it retains anything over 4
if you set it high, it would keep eating from the players saturation/hunger until the level was 0
summer rivet
is it possible to get the seed via the terrain? like the terrain is like the result, so u could get the integers?
warm anchor
Generation is done via set formulas so yes but there are things you can do to mitigate it
ashen cliff
It is possible. Github has one too many projects that do that.
summer rivet
isnt it kind of disallowed software?
ashen cliff
Probably Windows updates or defrag.
ashen cliff
Windows does that by itself every so often.
summer rivet
see the resource manager?
whats that?
golden gust
don't mention
summer rivet
sorry i forgot :(
golden gust
there is a button in the task manager to open the resoure manager
or use the search thing, etc
or google it
summer rivet
i cant even create a folder there is still that loading cicle.. is there a way to end the task that using all my hdd without shutting down computer (it wanna force me to)
warm anchor
https://i.imgur.com/Jh5rKbV.jpeg
Maybe google sees what you can’t see!
vernal moth
idk man
I also don't know if I should cycle or be lazy and use the tram
cycling is even a few minutes faster, but its freezing
but I could use the fresh air and bit of exercise, lol
warm anchor
Depend on if you can shower at work or something otherwise you’d be sweaty 
warm anchor
Oh yeah it’s Saturday today 
golden gust
Yea, I've hit 7000 steps for the past 3 days now
vernal moth
I just want to go to the hardware store (I think thats the right term?) and pick up something, lol
vernal moth
Yea, I've hit 7000 steps for the past 3 days now
per day? not bad
golden gust
I've stopped smoking and not really given much of a care about it since
(I was pretty stupidly light, so, most of my craving I think was "if ya got em..")
warm anchor
Been on stay home vacation for a week that’s wut I don’t even know what date is today
vernal moth
today is only so high cause I got groceries and a haircut, lol
my best this year is 9k, the second after that 5k twice, I don't do much walking at all, lol
I did manage to go for a few cycles tho
warm anchor
I walk a few mile a day
vernal moth
I did work way to much the last two weeks
warm anchor
So I always have a lot
vernal moth
50+ hours for both weeks
my boss is gonna kill me when he sees it at the end of the month, lmao
golden gust
I was walking like 10k daily for a while a few years ago, but then health got me, got back into walking again and then 2 years ago, shit went down
😄
vernal moth
this week I got twice over the max legally allowed per day
golden gust
oof
vernal moth
only 0.25 and 0.5 hours, so not bad
but still, thats 11 hours of work 😄
but work is really fun right now
I get to rebuild all our web apps where you can buy insurances, cause they all suck
so we rebuilding everything from scratch, me and 3 others on the engineering side who are all my age
starting by setting up a new component framework with vue3 and windi/tailwind cause that seemed fun
warm anchor
You can tell I don’t go out too much on winter
vernal moth
and for the first time typescript at work
vernal moth
lmao we got 18 of those apps plus they want a few new ones
I expect to work on that for at least a year most likely more, lol
buuuuut, I wanna apply what I learn at work to hangar
golden gust
No.
mini.
you are not rewriting the entire UI from scratch.
(But, I mean, idk if that would be too bad...)
I really need to try and find the brain juice to catch up on node and all that crap
I ain't touched it in a good few years
warm anchor
Mini rewritting website for 69th time in 2040
vernal moth
you are not rewriting the entire UI from scratch.
what if I already started a branch last week?!
golden gust
did you?
golden gust
smh
I did kinda wanna redo the UI, ngl
but, I mean, feels like such a setback
but, then theres not much that like, is actually do be done in the scheme of things
vernal moth
yeah that would be the goal, hopeing we can keep as much logic as possible but split up the frontend in more components, kick out vuetify and make it pretty instead
stack would be vue3, vite, vite-ssr and windi/tailwind
so we fully in control
for once
I grew to hate nuxt
golden gust
I was kinda feeling that the UI needed a massive overhaul which is why I was massively apprehensive around that person submitting PRs, etc
vernal moth
and vuetify is more in the way than its helping too
what that dude does is bandaid fixes
golden gust
I do gotta find a good list of reading or things to work through to try and catch up with this
vernal moth
which isn't bad but not a permanent solution
I think the way to go is fix up as much as possible, throw up a public beta to get feedback and finalize the backend while we rewrite the frontend, then go fully public
golden gust
Yea, I mean, it's that thing where we can bandaid it up and toss it out or we just do what we wanna do and clean up the design properly before we throw it out
vernal moth
but I don't wanna commit to that until I have more experience with the new stack and can present a POC
but thats kinda the idea I had last sunday
golden gust
I think tossing it out with bandaids makes some level of sense but then theres much stuff which needs tweaking which is why I kinda liked the idea of working on designs, but, idk what tooling is good for making designs as most of them piss me off or just take much longer than it would be to just shit up css/html and crap
vernal moth
at work we use xD, but am only consuming stuff from it, not designing stuff in it
figma seems nice
golden gust
my annoyance is is that they where just kinda too fidgety
wide chasm
Figma is quite nice, used it for Human-Computer Interaction for uni, worked well
vernal moth
my annoyance is is that they where just kinda too fidgety
welcome to the world of design shit?
idk, lol
golden gust
this morning, i went to go make a cup of tea, I then cleaned the frying pan, put a splash of oil in it and turned it on, got out the stuff to make an omlette and placed it on the side, put the stuff into my cup for a cup of tea and then went for a piss, cracked some eggs into a bowl and then put some water on for the tea, then went to go grab my plate that I left in the living room to wash it, then I washed the plate and a fork so I could beat the eggs, then I put the eggs into the pan I turned on a few minutes ago and put the water in my tea, then I like, messed with the pan and went to put milk in my tea and put stuff in the fridge, then I tossed some cheese on, then I pulled out the teabag and finally got everything ready
and that's basically why I can't use that software
vernal moth
lol
golden gust
I just find that that software is too fiddly for my brain to like, brain, and so it starts jumping around and I just get annoyed af and close it
vernal moth
I think for design you wanna just sketch on paper
and then formalize into such a software
golden gust
I have the stuff in my brain is the joy of it all
vernal moth
and we should totally start with wireframes and then make it fancy later
then just get out a pen
wide chasm
Figma is definitely for high-fi design, it's not really a good starting point. If you start with Figma and then need to make large changes you need to redo a bunch of work. Where as with low-fi you just cross out the old stuff and draw something new in five minutes.
pastel bluff
tcpshield is your only option
Hum no, there are plenty of other option
golden gust
Such as?
pastel bluff
Am i allowed to send a github link listing the alternatives ?
golden gust
I guess
but, I mean, that just sounds like you've not considered their requirements at all
pastel bluff
I did
golden gust
free?
golden gust
and there is literally only 1 on that list which has a free plan?
ashen cliff
I do disagree tho: https://posili.me/i/eaMzWYAx-2022-02-12_13-03-03.png
native wolf
https://posili.me/i/5VpBh69k-2022-02-12_13-01-38.png
LMAO
pastel bluff
Need some context tho
golden gust
I mean, the website half works and there is 0 mention of a free plan
OVHs anti-ddos is pretty damned good if you understand what it does
if you're expecting app level ddos protection you're a moron
pastel bluff
Will push the update anytime soon
golden gust
but, for most of the traditional attacks OVHs anti ddos network is one of the best across hosts
pastel bluff
Yes
ashen cliff
Just use OVH VPS for the proxy and call it a day.
proud lance
NFO
pastel bluff
But if you use a vps as a proxy and the ip get in mitigation
You will face problems
ashen cliff
Never had issues.
pastel bluff
If your backend isn't in OVH infrastructure of course
proud lance
you can control packet rules on their pre-server firewall
pastel bluff
you can control packet rules on their pre-server firewall
Doubt they let you touch that 
ashen cliff
If your backend isn't in OVH infrastructure of course
It's not. Still, never had issues.
golden gust
their network used to have some issues back in the day where entering mitigation mode would practically kill much stuff but I think that's been improved since
proud lance
Doubt they let you touch that <:blobthinking:941385099788836895>
they do
pastel bluff
Where then
proud lance
NFO
ashen cliff
All you have to do is configure it correctly. 🛌
pastel bluff
Ah i tought you talked about OVH mb
ashen cliff
Aka something most people on OVH don't do, since their web panel is dumb.
golden gust
I mean, I don't have access to an account but they 100% let you control some aspects of the firewalling on their newer setup
(OVH)
ashen cliff
Your IP should be auto whitelisted by it.
Again, never had issues and I always connect from my VPN to it.
pastel bluff
Udp ?
ashen cliff
Why would you connect to the server using UDP while it's being attacked?
pastel bluff
Because its a vpn server ?
proud lance
vpn servers can use tcp
pastel bluff
I know
golden gust
UDP is generally fucked for filtering ddos attacks
pastel bluff
Why would you connect to the server using UDP while it's being attacked?
So you had problems with udp right ?
ashen cliff
Never used UDP, since I have no reason to use it.
golden gust
nothin in our ecosyste cares about UDP
pastel bluff
nothin in our ecosyste cares about UDP
True lmao
golden gust
Why would we care that they flop on a set of protocols which is a PITA to deal with anyways when we don't use it
pastel bluff
Never used UDP, since I have no reason to use it.
Even if you use TCP you will get a lower bandwidth speed
If the ip is in mitigation
golden gust
well, yea
ashen cliff
You shouldn't be caring about that, if you are under attack.
pastel bluff
Even if you whitelist your ip
golden gust
same for literally every filtering system out there that I know of if they go deeper into stuff
pastel bluff
Yup
ashen cliff
Regardless, most attacks are blocked, if you just configure the firewall correctly.
golden gust
So, literally, why the fuck does it matter
ashen cliff
Most DoS attacks I get are DNS reflection.
pastel bluff
Regardless, most attacks are blocked, if you just configure the firewall correct...
What about internal attacks then ?
ashen cliff
Still blocked by the firewall...
And disable internal routing, if you are that afraid of it.
pastel bluff
Thats not how it work at ovh
ashen cliff
It does, if you pay them enough.
pastel bluff
OVH IPs bypass the firewall
ashen cliff
Nope.
ashen cliff
Why ask someone who is trying to sell me their protection?
ashen cliff
In that case, they are even telling you their biggest flaw.
pastel bluff
Hum ?
ashen cliff
They mostly use OVH + some of their own magic for protection.
pastel bluff
Yeah
But what i meant is that OVH firewall does not protect you if other OVH IPs attacks you
ashen cliff
It does.
pastel bluff
No it does not
golden gust
back in the day their mitigation used to be in the wrong place to filter internal attacks
proud lance
do you have anything to back this up or you are just gonna say it doesnt
golden gust
I think since mirai they've worked on that but idk how much, etc
there is probs still some vulns there but you're generally gonna be hit harder when you're going over OVHs backend vs the public internet so god knows
ashen cliff
So, exactly what we do, go on...
pastel bluff
And then you use another OVH machine to ping it
It will pass trough and reach the server
pastel bluff
??
ashen cliff
They, don't use L2 internally, except if you tell them to use it, for your own servers.
You legit have the option to configure your own Cisco ASA firewall rules.
proud lance
I have two ovh machines right now that I had to explicitly whitelist because they dont communicate
hoary skiff
things have probably changed then
pastel bluff
And you will see by yourself
proud lance
I dont have to try, I just said
ashen cliff
You didn't try the same thing we tried.
Because, you didn't even know you can configure firewall options 5 minutes ago.
pastel bluff
Well, im out nothing else to say
ashen cliff
Expected.
Still, why would TCPShield tell you about a "flaw" that they them self would be effected by?
ashen cliff
Where?
pastel bluff
"We have just received knowledge and swiftly patched a flood involving internal L7 attacks within OVH. Source IPs have been collected + blocked. If the attacker is in here, please send again."
Oops
👋
golden gust
there are ways around OVHs anti-DDOS
like with literally every anti-DDOS system out there
pastel bluff
Right
pastel bluff
Another one then
They don't even use GAME servers
"Side note: All ICMP traffic across our entire fleet is currently blocked due to internal OVH floods on our BHS nodes, if you use this for health checks, we recommend using TCP on port 25565 instead."
ashen cliff
So, you can block it even internally. 🛌
pastel bluff
Yeah because it bypassed ovh firewall
golden gust
OVH has multiple firewalls
pastel bluff
Bypass them all
Well not the cisco ASA if you have one and configure it
golden gust
they have some mitigation against internal attacks but apparently it's still far from amazing
ashen cliff
Again, just ask them to disable internal routing, if you don't use it.
To be fair, you should be using vRack anyway for internal stuff.
pastel bluff
??
Im talking about internal ovh attacks
I don't think it has anything to do with vRack
ashen cliff
It does.
pastel bluff
Tell me more then
ashen cliff
You don't have to use public IP internal routing, if you use vRack, so they can disable that option for you.
pastel bluff
Would that imply that other ovh servers can't reach your server ?
ashen cliff
They can, just not internally.
golden gust
that would imply the internal OVH network routing
you disable that and everything goes over through the public side
pastel bluff
Anyway the firewall won't block an OVH ip
golden gust
thus being affected by more of the infra at the cost of performance
pastel bluff
Where ever it come from
ashen cliff
Why wouldn't it?
pastel bluff
Because thats how its made
ashen cliff
No...
ashen cliff
Not how Cisco works. 🛌
empty spire
hey people does any one know if sand duppers work on paper severs
golden gust
some of that sits behind the internal network, some of it infront of it
disable internal routing and you get rid of the layers which are behind it being a factor
I didn't even know you could ask them to disable that though, so, that's interesting
golden gust
I mean, lrusic is saying that you can, and I eer towards the person who's asked than who hasn't
ashen cliff
Not sure how big you have to be, but that's an option you could request over the phone.
empty spire
@golden gust do you know if sand dupers work on paper severs
golden gust
Fuck off
void void
no-ping
pastel bluff
lmao
empty spire
was that to me ??
golden gust
Yes.
pastel bluff
Not sure how big you have to be, but that's an option you could request over the...
Well even if TCPShield can't
empty spire
that cut deep
golden gust
sounds like a personal problem
ashen cliff
Simple question, did they ask?
golden gust
the rules say not to ping random people
my name says not to ping
discord has a search feature nor are you in the correct channel
empty spire
oh sorry
pastel bluff
Simple question, did they ask?
Good question
smoky cloud
golden gust
there is an issue on the tracker which is pinned.
there is a plugin somewhere for it.
use the search feature.
ashen cliff
To be fair, not sure, if they would even do that, even if they had the option, since most of their customers live on OVH, so adding addition ping is not idea for them.
pastel bluff
Yeah thats a good point
ashen cliff
Regardless, if you give them enough money, they will do anything for you. Since you don't just buy a server from them, but also their infrastructure.
That's why Hetzner is cheaper, since they can't offer all of that.
pastel bluff
Its always about money
golden gust
companies need a reason to do stuff
they're not gonna sink effort into something which doesn't help their bottom line
ashen cliff
It is fun to look at the OVH weathermap and see that Hetzner link stay at 50%+ all of the time.
plucky sparrow
paper website isn’t responsive at all smh
can’t even download papermc on my watch
void void
it looked a lot better for me
hold on let me find the screenshot
nvm it was equally horrible
plucky sparrow
at least yours doesn’t have a “flight_takeoff” in the middle of the screen
real saddle
this thing was lagging my pc i found out what itwas and now going to reset my pc that was a trojan crypto miner
frank otter
question because I'm interested: what did you think it was?
novel horizon
O_o
vernal bone
ashen cliff
True. But if that 10Gbps module failed, I would have teleported that whole box directly to the scrapyard.
daring gulch
this morning, i went to go make a cup of tea, I then cleaned the frying pan, pu...
So pinnable
green turret
How have you guys gone about the Microsoft account business? Migrate to an existing personal Microsoft account or create a new one for the Minecraft account?
Am I going to regret creating a new one just for Minecraft? I feel like at some point Windows won't let me launch Minecraft because it isn't on the account I use for Windows itself...
(I have plenty of other distractions to help me procrastinate, so resolving this road bump won't actually make me do any actual work, no worries)
golden gust
apparently the new launcher is fucking useless around some of that stuff
green turret
So postpone decision?
golden gust
well, can stick to the old launcher if you've not already upgraded, apparently it can work fine but some naunces
I migrated to my primary MS email, figured it was better than having yet another MS account, not that I didn't need to create one anyways for my alt
twin lagoon
How have you guys gone about the Microsoft account business? Migrate to an exist...
why wouldn't you use an existing msa
i've migrated my main minecraft account to my existing personal microsoft account
what i'm doing with my alt, no idea tbh
might just end up not migrating it to see what they're doing when you haven't migrated it
golden gust
forced migration starts neeext month I think?
I forget, apparently the launcher had some file people found with that info
ah, yea, then they formalised it on the blog
green turret
why wouldn't you use an existing msa
Because I have no clue what's on the one I have, and I don't know if I want to merge everything gaming/non-gaming related into one big blob. I've kept things separate for decades. I mean, it's for the same reason I don't use my personal email for work or my work email for game accounts.
Yeah I think it's March 11
twin lagoon
Because I have no clue what's on the one I have, and I don't know if I want to m...
there is still some separation as you're attaching your minecraft username to your xbox live profile
green turret
Bah, why can't I just have one account for each thing I do!
OK postpone it is
I guess I have to actually look at my Microsoft crap to figure out what I have. I think I have an Xbox profile. I also have some dumb @live.com email address that I don't even know where I would go to check.
Probably live.com, but that would be too easy, so highly unlikely since it's Microsoft...
Thanks cat and Michael!
ashen cliff
It's best to just ignore the server list.
neat oyster
lol
neat oyster
the second one is on a sucky host
first one is on bloom
so host not the problem leme see
ashen cliff
Probably just due to the query being the good old query and not working 50% out of 30% of the time.
twin lagoon
what is lost ark
novel horizon
some game from amazon or smth
novel horizon
nice
twin lagoon
eu does not exist apparently
novel horizon
works for me
twin lagoon
oh no it exists in france, germany & spain
it would be hilarious if it's not available in NL & BE because of lootbox regulations
but if that's the case, that's gonna be a game to avoid then
twin lagoon
quasi valley
average online rpg moment
twin lagoon
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) [Lost Ark] What's the real reason Lost Ark won't be available in... : lostarkgame - 36 comments, 2 points - Few-Show5778, 8mo ago
novel horizon
it has some chests so i guess yeah
little frost
all they'd have to do is list the chances of each loot box drop...
twin lagoon
(DiscordBot) **[Lost Ark] What's the real reason Lost Ark won't be available in....
average IRC embed moment
limber knotBOT
8mo ago
frank otter
hypothetical question
could you get banned for advertising a cracked server in a bio
limber knotBOT
pretty sure that's against Minecraft TOS lol
twin lagoon
it is
void void
oops
limber knotBOT
also the original owner can just get their account back so the chances people get scammed are pretty much 100%
frank otter
mm so if someone linked to a webpage advertising a cracked smp in their bio they could be banned?
twin lagoon
i know exactly who you're talking about
and they've been banned before for that reason
void void
I was literally typing the exact same lmao
frank otter
Well they're doing it again
twin lagoon
@cunning raft thoughts
frank otter
scroll to bottom of linked page and I think it's there
yep there's a link
or just /survival.html
cunning raft
little frost
🤨
edgy palm
i just left
ashen cliff
👋
frank otter
nothing of value lost
ashen cliff
2 members lost. 🛌
spare venture
oh no! anyways
plucky sparrow
Paper is now back to normal
frank otter
debatable
frank otter
yeah I can't disagree with that
worn ember
damn, lots of people still playing dota haha
cobalt cave
hey
do you think these plugins will be good for a survival server? ```[16:23:09 INFO]: Plugins (10): Essentials, EssentialsChat, EssentialsSpawn, LuckPerms, ProtocolLib, Skript, Vault, ViaBackwards, ViaRewind, ViaVersion
i wouldn't recommend letting lower versions than the one your server is based on to join a "survival" server
brazen wind
i think, using essentialsX its bad idea, good idea is install other plugins for commands: simpleTpa, simpleHomes, simpleRtp and other.
These plugins configurable (u can edit messages and other)
tropic flame
they will be lacking features a lot of the time
marble lark
pretty sure that's against Minecraft TOS lol
honestly I doubt Mojang cares at this point lmao
vernal moth
damn, lots of people still playing dota haha
I with there would be open stats for league like that
marble lark
damn, lots of people still playing dota haha
I'm proud to see Dying Light 2 on that list
:D
tropic flame
i think, using essentialsX its bad idea, good idea is install other plugins for ...
i mean you can also edit the messages from essentials, it's just that Essentials brings a lot more than just those things
if you're looking for modularity then i guess get smaller plugins for each thing, but essentials itself is fine imo
cobalt cave
people still run really old minecraft servers?
tropic flame
people still run really old minecraft servers?
define "really old"
void void
Unfortunately
cobalt cave
like 1.2
tropic flame
oh lmao
i mean you definitely find some nostalgia servers out there
and modded servers
those are the ones that most likely never update due to mods being abandoned
idk if online-mode auth actually still works for such old versions, i remember reading somewhere that below 1.3.1 it doesn't work anymore
might be saying bs tho
cobalt cave
might try that whole minecraft server thing another day too much stress rn
ashen cliff
Probably the oldest version people still use for non nostalgia is 1.5.2.
magic river
Fucking tekkit servers
ashen cliff
Nah.
true canyon
1.2.5 and 1.7.3beta are the fun places.
meager tusk
Probably the oldest version people still use for non nostalgia is 1.5.2. <:kekwh...
You just reminded me of something, bro.
I used to hate any version above 1.3 because they removed the dark edges around food items' textures.
pastel reef
Why does my Laptop not like old Minecraft Versions?
pallid edge
it's not just your laptop who doesn't like them
pastel reef
1.9?
If you mean it won't open, that's not what I mean. I get 66% the framerate on 1.9 than on 1.18. Even 1.0 opens without problems unlike when I was still on Windows...
pallid edge
just use 1.8 or 1.12, there's this mod which helped me with a lot of my performance problem called "Patcher" which works on 1.8 and 1.12
but why 1.9?
pastel reef
but why 1.9?
Hard to explain.
Let's just say, I try incredibly hard to experience both the future and the past.
golden gust
Mojang has improved the rendering pipeline over the past few years
e.g. cutting out a lot of the legacy pipeline crud
pastel reef
Which I why I always make a million backups of pretty much anything
golden gust
newer pipeline is more efficent but relies more on hardware vs older legacy stack
pastel reef
So what you are saying is, my friend can't get her 80 fps in 1.15 Vanilla anymore even if she switches back to that version?
She has an Intel Core Duo P8600
Ans instead has to live with her 40 fps in 1.18 Fabric
rancid void
Mojang has improved the rendering pipeline over the past few years
improve as in runs worse?
rancid void
Ans instead has to live with her 40 fps in 1.18 Fabric
With performance mods in place? that's rough
limber knotBOT
just get hardware that isn't 20 years old
golden gust
improved as in runs better
rancid void
suure
golden gust
idk of any recent rendering regressions
limber knotBOT
if you are going to use hardware from before the game even existed then you are going to have a bad time 👀
rancid void
perf went somewhat downhill with 1.13 and further with 1.14 and .16
left swift
like my mom
golden gust
which afaik wasn't down in any part to the renderer
rancid void
I sometimes had performance problems from just opening the chat in 1.16 on my old i5-3330 system
steady 60 not guaranteed without a few mods
golden gust
you had particles processing collisions for one of those
void void
I sometimes had performance problems from just opening the chat in 1.16 on my ol...
that's actually a 1.16 bug, it's doing http requests on the render thread
golden gust
but, I mean, I can't really comment on your specific hardware in your specific environment
rendering is nuanced af
left swift
just like you cat
rancid void
and the non-rendering stuff... that got worse.
golden gust
yea, but we're talking about the renderer pipeline here.
rancid void
that didn't really get better in my experience but it's fine ig. The rest got a lot worse tho
rancid void
no. do I want that?
rancid void
that didn't really get better in my experience but it's fine ig. The rest got a ...
1.8.x to 1.12.2? basically the same. 1.13 was laggier
frank otter
crud?
golden gust
issue is that shit gets nuanced especially when it comes to drivers
well, they removed a lot of the legacy openGL calls
rancid void
Then why does something like Sodium still improve the performance by THAT much?
rancid void
bumped to what?
golden gust
Because mojangs renderer still fucking sucks ass?
twin lagoon
sodium changes a shitton of things
golden gust
This is not that hard of a concept
ideal world is mojang would rip out a good chunk of their stuff rather than doing incremental improvements
rancid void
yup
golden gust
ofc, basing stuff on the efforts of random people who've got the capacity to throw time into everything else is flawed
mojang is maintaining a full game and the beuracracy within
rancid void
The non-rendering stuff is a bigger headache imo.
On a desktop running the game client, you have high single threaded performance and it's usually fine after adding Sodium/Phosphor/LazyDFU
twin lagoon
what
rancid void
But on a server? Start time alone went up considerably starting with 1.13
twin lagoon
who cares about start time
rancid void
minigames? 🤔
twin lagoon
those can already start up fast on 1.18
rancid void
🤨
twin lagoon
and start time is still not a worry for minigames
golden gust
Nobody uses vanilla for minigames
vernal moth
intellij please, await is a keyword... https://i.imgur.com/njanT0m.png
