i see
#general
spare venture
languid karma
Isn't teamspeak like dead lmao
tropic flame
pretty much
should've stayed at 3
or maybe don't go into the "trendy Electron chat app" look 🤪
limber knotBOT
Teamspeak is still prefered in lots of older German and apparently UK communities
ashen cliff
Or for anyone that actually doesn't want Discord taking up 600MB of their ram. 
limber knotBOT
or for anyone that wants to actually control their stack (although I would suggest using mumble or teaskeak instead 👀 )
if teamspeak ever tries to pull our free license again we will probably just move lol
ashen cliff
Well, they killed a bunch of servers with the client sided license check BS.
spare venture
did teamspeak add persistent chat channels
ashen cliff
Nyes.
spare venture
that was always something i didn’t like because it was too focused on voice, communities felt weirdly disconnected
ashen cliff
That was kind of the point of TS3...
To be an extension of an existing community.
Not to be the building block of one.
untold meadow
Isn't teamspeak like dead lmao
@twin lagoon thoughts?
spare venture
yeah and i didn’t like it
spare venture
communities were 1/3 forums, 1/3 teamspeak/mumble/vent, 1/3 skype/irc
discord has 2/3 of those (and does them better), and is slowly getting the other 1/3
limber knotBOT
TS also is from a time when persistent chat didn't exist so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
technically TS3 can do that already though
ashen cliff
Yeah, but only client sided.
limber knotBOT
no
ashen cliff
Did they ever change that then?
ashen cliff
Oh that.
limber knotBOT
works literally the same as IRC
runs
tbh I still hate that facebook started that trend of having messages and chat merged into one -.- the times where you could be sure that your chat partner was actually engaged into the conversation because it was only possible when they were online at their PC where magical
*were
I guess we have read-statuses now to work around that but it still feels different than an actual voice chat
warm anchor
https://posili.me/i/pNvzAhSk-2022-02-09_17-57-43.png
mumble gang
ashen cliff
Mumble just decided to not pick up my mic at all when I first tried it, so I never ended up using it.
About the same reason I never played LoL.
The launcher didn't want to do anything after I signed in, so I just uninstalled it.
warm anchor
small indie company
ashen cliff
That was in like 2014 or some BS.
warm anchor
8 years ago!
limber knotBOT
warm anchor
radiant oriole
Excessive gaming may interfere with normal daily life
left swift
what was that chrome extension called that skipped ads on yt vids?
the ones in videos
wide chasm
SponsorBlock
left swift
nice cool thanks awesome pog
wide chasm
Very cool
worn ember
Aiding in piracy kappa
vernal moth
man I suck at maths, lmao
public static void main(final String[] args) {
final int colors = 4;
final float steps = 1f / (colors - 1);
System.out.println("steps " + steps);
for (float phase = 0; phase <= 1; phase += 1/12f) {
// 4 colors -> 3 ranges
// 0 -> 1: 0 -> 0.333
// 1 -> 2 0.333 -> 0.666
// 2 -> 3 0.666 -> 1
// 0 -> 0
// 0.1666 -> 0.5
// 0.333 -> 1
// 0.333 -> 0
// 0.5 -> 0.5
// 0.666 -> 1
// 0.666 -> 0
// 0.8333 -> 0.5
// 1 -> 1
for (int colorIndex = 1; colorIndex < colors; colorIndex++) {
final float val = (colorIndex) * steps;
if (val >= phase) {
final float factor = (val - phase) * colors;
System.out.printf("p %f f %f i %s v %f%n", phase, factor, colorIndex, val);
break;
}
}
}
}
the second comment is the mapping I want for phase -> factor
steps 0.33333334
p 0,000000 f 1,333333 i 1 v 0,333333
p 0,083333 f 1,000000 i 1 v 0,333333
p 0,166667 f 0,666667 i 1 v 0,333333
p 0,250000 f 0,333333 i 1 v 0,333333
p 0,333333 f 0,000000 i 1 v 0,333333
p 0,416667 f 1,000000 i 2 v 0,666667
p 0,500000 f 0,666667 i 2 v 0,666667
p 0,583333 f 0,333333 i 2 v 0,666667
p 0,666667 f 0,000000 i 2 v 0,666667
p 0,750000 f 1,000000 i 3 v 1,000000
p 0,833333 f 0,666667 i 3 v 1,000000
p 0,916667 f 0,333334 i 3 v 1,000000
p 1,000000 f 0,000000 i 3 v 1,000000
this is what I get
cursed
I need a working formula for factor
ripe sphinx
is this for gradient or rainbow for MM?
vernal moth
final float factor = 1 + (phase - val) * (colors - 1);
fuck ye
watch that still be wrong
fuck yeah
ripe sphinx
owo that's neat
vernal moth
its a gradient but in a different dimension basically
left swift
Aiding in piracy kappa
skipping video ads is piracy ?
ded moment
@waxen panther thots
mossy vessel
Hm, this doesn't convince me, I prefer using paragraphs
void void
§x§0§0§0§0§0§0H§x§f§f§f§f§f§fi is clearly superior
mossy vessel
That is obviously the future, yes
void void
Minimessage users are stuck in the past
prime coral
Thats the real reason why they increased the scoreboard title length
vernal moth
adding support for negative phases is baaaadd
lilac moon
Is minimessage the one that looks like xml
daring owl
Would pufferfish out perform it for things such as pvp events in limited areas without mob spawns, etc
meager tusk
Is minimessage the one that looks like xml
well
does the tag syntax make it like xml?
radiant oriole
Would pufferfish out perform it for things such as pvp events in limited areas w...
in every situation. Yes.
meager tusk
if yes then yeah it's like XML
vernal moth
the code for that is <transition:white:black:" + phase + ">Hello World
idk if thats xml to you
radiant oriole
problem is it uses a bunch of dumb caches that duplicate caching work that's already being done and it wrecks inlining
so like
it just makes things slower and buggier
ripe sphinx
I mean it can do lorem ipsum <b>blah blah</b> lorem ipsum -> lorem upsum blah blah lorem upsum, dunno if that makes it xml
daring owl
paper is cool too tho pls dont ban me
spare venture
how much is that nfts fork anyway
radiant oriole
just benchmark it against paper yourself, it's probably slower
meager tusk
https://streamable.com/ysh2r5
Mini i need this in my life.
vernal moth
also, don't mind me using thread.sleep, lmao
I guess it would be fine in a scheduler
spare venture
mini i’m waiting for a resource pack that has a chat string that cycles through the rainbow
twin lagoon
exists
spare venture
yes but i’m waiting for one from mini
meager tusk
please god no
based
Thread.sleep hater(soy) vs Thread.sleep on main thread abuser(chad)
vernal moth
making it a sin wave is so fun
server isnt happy with 1k iterations
[20:38:55 WARN]: Can't keep up! Is the server overloaded? Running 101649ms or 2032 ticks behind
I didn't need those ticks anyways
ripe sphinx
async chat go brr
vernal moth
its a command tho
ripe sphinx
oop lol
lavish compass
https://i.imgur.com/Xd5YSsX.png
ornate dirge
hey, I made a thing. something something tumblr. I dont know if it would count as spam if i posted it here. I know its kinda "on a grey area" but this message will leave us soon. If anyone with power dislikes this please very please delete it and Im sorry
well, anyway, I made a thing. its basically tumblr 2 with more bugs. https://app.wafrn.net and the front is opensauce https://github.com/gabboman/wafrn
please dont hammer me in the face i love you all
smoky cloud
Tumblr 2: The Tumblring
tropic flame
hey, I made a thing. something something tumblr. I dont know if it would count a...
does it allow NSFW?
ornate dirge
does it allow NSFW? <:kekwhyper:674093681904713729>
you have to mark it when you upload
but yes
tropic flame
you have to mark it when you upload
Pog, actual reason to use it over Tumblr then
ornate dirge
my reason to make it was that there was a controversy in xmas.
nit big in the end
but there was one
meager tusk
hey, I made a thing. something something tumblr. I dont know if it would count a...
I don't need to tell you what the majority of your content will be if this works out
spiral robin
i am scared away by the sketchy looking authentication page
void void
^
ornate dirge
I don't need to tell you what the majority of your content will be if this works...
not yet even after almost a month open
https://app.wafrn.net/blog/gabboman if you wanna see some stuff without giving me your data
yes
wait
no
imagine it
like five guys running. could 10 guys running go faster? no
but together they could move more weight
butt
not faster
than 1 guy's max speed
hpe it helped
furthermore, cloud hosts usually put "one guy to more tasks"
because FUN FACT actually a lot of the time is spent waiting
is like
you have a bike
and I have a mother***king jet plane
solid siren
Anyone here had tried oracle free cloud server
smoky cloud
Anyone here had tried oracle free cloud server
Yes
ornate dirge
and we start both in... mexico and wanna see ourselves in alaska
smoky cloud
Is it good?
Good enough I guess
pale river
There's been experiments turning 2 threads into a single thread but it didn't go anywhere
solid siren
Good enough I guess
Can i dm you
smoky cloud
I’d rather you didn’t
pale river
I also use oracle free tier in production
smoky cloud
Just ask here
lament patio
Oh, I've had one for a long while now, more than 6 months
smoky cloud
There isn’t really a ‘catch’
meager tusk
not yet even after almost a month open
the design needs some work i think
lament patio
They really enjoy terminating your instance for no reason, then you have to re-create it if there are spots left
smoky cloud
I’ve never had that
lament patio
You won't lose your files or anything, it's just inconvenient
solid siren
Theres no end to the free tier?
smoky cloud
Probably because I’m on a paid account but you still don’t get charged
twin lagoon
Theres no end to the free tier?
the fact that your servers may or may not disappear at random
solid siren
You can use it as long as you like?
smoky cloud
At present there’s no end date
ornate dirge
the design needs some work i think
just made a push to the repo. it will be deployed in a few minutes
pale river
take backups because they could kill your server at any time
lament patio
I haven't been billed so far, despite the 4 terminations I've been able to re-create them every time and still going
pale river
How have you been terminated 4 times?
ornate dirge
i use contabo. its cheap and goes well
lament patio
No idea, lol
meager tusk
i just use hetzner for stuff
lament patio
But I've been there since almost the beginning
meager tusk
it's 40 euros a month for some pretty good machines
@twin lagoon any downsides to hetzner?
serene bolt
my instance was terminated and all files deleted - this only occurred a single time, and it was after the first 30 days I think? but I haven't had it happen again since, and it's still online and running right now
twin lagoon
<@!215448923681062913> any downsides to hetzner?
you get what you pay for
lament patio
Luckily, they didn't delete my stuff in any of the terminations
smoky cloud
I think they might terminate the boot volume if you don’t untick the option to destroy the boot volume on termination
Maybe
meager tusk
you get what you pay for
that's pretty open-ended 🐵
it seems to be working fine so far so
@ashen cliff Bro.
twin lagoon
for 40 euros a month you can get really good machines everywhere
meager tusk
KGBHosting went down.
twin lagoon
you just have to pay an upfront cost for a few thousand dollars
but it's a price to pay
meager tusk
@Kin bro.
ashen cliff
that's pretty open-ended 🐵
Null routed.
People that are DoSing YOU, reporting you for existing.
smoky cloud
A small price to pay for salvation
meager tusk
>Null routed.
>People that are DoSing YOU, reporting you for existing. <:kekwhy...
Based.
smoky cloud
Oracle Cloud is fine until every datacenter has an outage and they send comms out saying it’s fixed when really all they fixed was the control panel (I wish this was a shitpost)
meager tusk
MikroTik doesn't play around.
ashen cliff
Fact.
solid siren
How many players can the oracle free tier can handle?
lament patio
Mine can handle about 20
solid siren
Mine can handle about 20
Consistent mspt?
lament patio
That's about the the threshold it'll start occasionally staying over 50mspt for me
smoky cloud
Is that with all four CPUs?
lament patio
Yeah
warm anchor
My fellow oracle enjoyer? 
lament patio
It's a love-hate relationship but I like it, can't deny it's been very useful
spare venture
how
still sorrel
jagged egret
Am I crazy or is minecraft.net down?
It says "Access Denied" on my computer
At first I thought it was my browser (Brave) and I tried it on Chrome and it worked for about 3 minutes
Cleared my cache and it worked. Super odd.
magic river
lilac moon
what happened to hulu
south matrix
It says "Access Denied" on my computer
it does that all the time randomly
ashen forum
lilac moon
the best one
foggy veldt
Guess how much my dream server is gonna cost
Yea dream has lots of fans, would probs need a bunch of load balancing shit so server doesnt die
magic river
i3-12300 (or 12300T) is probably the best bang for your buck for a server right now, especially that size server
But good luck finding a dedicated server with one of those
crystal compass
wow so somebody hacked my website and put malware on it, now antiviruses are blocking my servers entire domain lol..
recovered the site but now I have to spam them all with requests to be unblocked
magic river
NFTs are just JPEG NTR
merry talon
cosmic raft
Just ordered a https://secretlab.co/products/titan-evo-2022-series?sku=XL22SW-Bl...
I've got a 2020 version of that, in the softweave
10/10
magic river
Yeah I went for the soft weave too, harder to clean but it should be a lot more 
golden gust
I got a cheapy "fake leather" chair as I was worried that the material would rub off too fast on the more fabric based ones
be interesting to hear how the fabric holds up cos I wouldn't want a chair which you rub through after a year or two of ass hours 😄
worn ember
skipping video ads is piracy ?
Yeet
golden atlas
I love pings🙂
spiral robin
who ping
golden gust
!ban 929477321981829160 ping spam
thorny flickerBOT
:raised_hands: Banned ChongGuo#5961 (ping spam) [1 total infraction] -- electronicboy#8869.
spiral robin
interesting
limber knotBOT
I just looked over here :)
graceful wyvern
void void
tos
golden atlas
Funny, because this is the data that the discord api gives)
warm anchor
vestal jasper
uwu
vernal moth
Look at this shit
Two giant chop sticks lifting up the most powerful rocket ever created
And it's about to get way more powerful with the new engines
magic river
The thing on the bottom is the most powerful rocket, the bit being held up is just a cargo box 😄
vernal moth
Nah, together they form that
magic river
A cargo box that I think has more delta than the falcon 9 main stage but still 😛
vernal moth
That cargo box will land humans on the moon and the Mars
magic river
That reminds me, apparently the estimates are that a Falcon 9 launch only costs SpaceX $15m
vernal moth
I still find the thought of using starship as a lander incredibly comedic
magic river
They charge like $50m but that's to fund Starship and Starlink and such
vernal moth
You got the most powerful rocket and you only use it for the last mile
Don't they also need to fund new boosters with that?
magic river
I find it amusing that Starship can't actually make it to the moon
They have to send up a bunch more Starships to refuel the first one before it can leave orbit
vernal moth
Yeah, and the estimates of how many seems to fluctuate every time I look it up
magic river
Then again they're landing a building on the moon instead of a semi
vernal moth
I wonder what cargo nasa will pack
proven pagoda
ping?
south matrix
magic river
For real, they could kit a lander out as a base station and use it as a hotel or something
vernal moth
Yeah, it's a different league
Does nasa have their Eva suits done by now? I remember they having tons of issues
Gotta make sure the suits can be used in the spa they are bringing 😂
magic river
I don't think so
Huh, if Starship actually works out for LEO payloads they could put up 300+ Starlink sats every launch
vernal moth
Then it doesn't hurt them as much to lose 40 ^^
Altho I guess they would have lost more if they did put out more
magic river
Yep
Estimates are the "wasted" launch and lost sats only cost SpaceX around $25m though
Even 10 years ago a failure like that would have been the end of a multiyear project that probably cost like a billion dollars
Well, okay, for the commercial guys maybe only like $300m
solid siren
Any idea how to make like a custom end portal that will tp you instead of bring you to end (like in hypixel)
vernal moth
lmao just was at a doctor to get my wisdom teeth removed and the helper first wanted to give me an appointment for the week of carnival (doctor responded with "are you crazy?" :D) and then for the 30th of February 😂
she def didn't had her first coffee yet, lmao
golden gust
gg
golden gust
server was closed by an external process or something
hollow brook
Could you tell me possible reasons?
hollow brook
Why
golden gust
How tf am i to know
hollow brook
Why would my pc do that
golden gust
those are general things, I can't comment on your specific setup
golden gust
as I said, I can't really comment on your specific environment
No idea where windows would store such info if itself was going to yeet random processes
void void
Guys can someone help me out?
I have 2 networks connected to my system, is there any possible way to define which application uses which network?
ashen cliff
Tell the application what interface/ip it should use.
solid siren
just catch the event
what do u mean
sinful nacelle
Anyone can recommend me a good designed progression server?
quasi valley
Vanilla
quasi valley
get a better pc or use Fabric mods
using random clients will probably just make it worse
real saddle
my pc is low end but i can run gta 5 but 1.18 is lagging
lunar tested its lagging and crashing entire pc
neat oyster
what is your specs tho
neat oyster
hm it should be able to ace mc actualy
real saddle
ys but its lagging sooo much
golden gust
fabric + sodium, etc
real saddle
imstarting lunar now and cpu is 100%
let me try those
lagohh
lag has begun
ohh my goodd
omg even 1.17 is laggy
neat oyster
check if you have like a mining virus or sum
wide chasm
Those specs should easily be able to handle MC
real saddle
check if you have like a mining virus or sum
Ys i doubt that some thing is making trouble my pc is frozen now how do i check that
i have fps but full pc is freezing
restive saffron
get a better pc or use Fabric mods
Or install Linux!
restive saffron
but windows is meant for computers that aren’t complete potato’s
Linux is meant for barebones systems
quasi valley
use 1.18.1 with Fabric and Sodium, Lithium, and Phosphor
restive saffron
^
restive saffron
My beginner range computer can run gta 5… a old Xbox one can too at 30 fps
Or if that doesn’t work, why not try bedrock on pc? Runs good on potatos
real saddle
i have another issue its not getting dark in lunar i mean i can see at night i can see through water no shadows etcetc how do i fix this
golden gust
ask lunar?
real saddle
now i have that issue in everyclients
golden gust
probs GPU settings or something
spice finch
Or install Linux!
To be fair I'm linux user for over 3 years but RAM usage is way worse on linux than on Windows actually, and there was no visible performance change overall on change. SImple fix is to drop 20GB of SWAP and enjoy "36" gigs of ram 😄
golden gust
other than that, see client settings
real saddle
ok
golden gust
ram usage way worse how?
upbeat falconBOT
golden gust
as a fyi to some potential aspects there
spice finch
I was experiencing much stuttering and sometimes whole OS freezes, I haven't had it on windows. Possibly something wrong with my setup but setting up zram and adding more SWAP did the job
also I haven't been using any other distro than Ubuntu so it could just be Ubuntu thing
real saddle
is there any way to check virus or smthing running in background i cant find it in taskmanager
spice finch
That makes sense ;-) I didn't know about all of those things
red halo
but windows is meant for computers that aren’t complete potato’s
what about my windows xp?
real saddle
\🤯
red halo
Linux is meant for barebones systems
nah not really
linux is just not bloated
but you can very much make linux desktop very resource hungry
this is what my system looks when i am not doing anything and commonly what i just leave it like when i am sleeping, all of that memory usage is from my browsers mostly and ide
golden gust
I mean, XP is dead
while it may perform faster than modern windows, you're not gonna have the drivers or the software support
red halo
then go with windows 7 even tho it may be "dead"
golden gust
linux just generally has a lot less crap running in the background which does stuff like spying on you, etc
theres many dozens of scripts out there which will cut out a good chunk of services which will drastically lighten the system and you won't notice any losses in functionaility
red halo
i can't shill linux to people who can't even use windows lol
red halo
there is just too many hoops on linux
red halo
linux?
real saddle
i3 7th gen 8gb
red halo
7th gen??
neat oyster
do u have gpu??
red halo
how do you have any issues
real saddle
yes
neat oyster
like dedicated gpu
real saddle
ys
red halo
intel desktop igpus are much more powerful then the laptop igpus but may depend on memory speed who knows but i get great performance with mine
golden gust
Typical, see what all is running, check if anything has changed, etc
real saddle
it can handle gta 5 30 -40 fps
golden gust
like, if it was running file before, something has changed
dude, you've said that 20 times now, we get it
red halo
i have fps but full pc is freezing
check hwmonitor?
did your fan die 😹
PSU dying usually just causes hard crashes from undervolt but I have had it just cause generally laggy system
especially if the disks are not getting the full voltage they will have a very hard time spinning and could cause data loss
real saddle
lap
red halo
just open hwmonitor and check temps and voltage
spice finch
but you can very much make linux desktop very resource hungry
64 gigs of ram 😵
real saddle
pc only have 4 gbs and its even more laggy
red halo
i was sent 128GB from the seller instead of 64GB lol, but I just put the other 64GB in another server
real saddle
just open hwmonitor and check temps and voltage
what is that??
spice finch
Oh, nice lol
real saddle
ok
spice finch
I got Ryzen 5 3600 some time ago with 16GB DDR4 3200MHz but I think it's time for RAM upgrade, maybe when on it I'll buy M.2 SSD as I'm running SATA now
red halo
i have had 16+ gb of memory since like 2012 lol so i was always lucky i guess
spice finch
I feel like those M.2 SSDs got really cheap lately
red halo
I got Ryzen 5 3600 some time ago with 16GB DDR4 3200MHz but I think it's time fo...
i just bought some sata ssds 🙂
red halo
I feel like those M.2 SSDs got really cheap lately
they are just as expensive as sata really
golden gust
I got my machine with 16, needed extra ram but this was like a few years ago when ram prices had sky rocketed so just got 8G of the stuff
am at the point though where theres very little point in upgrading this machine though, so 🤷♂️
red halo
i still need to put a fan on my nvme ssd
hahaha
it hits up to 99-100C on the controller under heavy load on cpu and ssd
spice finch
i have had 16+ gb of memory since like 2012 lol so i was always lucky i guess
I've been running 16GB as long as I remember but it was DDR3 1333MHz :D But I could even play Rust with it (that game eats shit tones of memory) so I was good with it. But I decided for upgrade, i5 3470 was starting not to be enough.
red halo
i still need to put a fan on my nvme ssd
but i am just lazy
golden gust
to be fair, 8G of ram was plenty for games for a good while
idk if theres many games which recommend 16G minimum
spice finch
Minecraft Forge
golden gust
more gonna be hit by the speed than the amount there 😄
spice finch
They optimized GTA5 very well in my opinion
real saddle
ys
spice finch
So I'm not expecting anything else from GTA6
real saddle
i can only watch some one playing gta 6
golden gust
apparently their biggest reason for delaying it was because of the 7 seas
spice finch
Well, it took them years to optimize loading time (and someone just did it for them lol) (https://www.pcgamer.com/rockstar-thanks-gta-online-player-who-fixed-poor-load-times-official-update-coming/)
golden gust
but, they took so long to release it that I didn't really care to pay for it at the time of release which I was intending to if they hadn't taken years to drop it for PC that I just sailed the seas
real saddle
probably more than 200+ gb size or smthng gta 6
golden gust
once again, you need to shade it into your plugin
bukkit shades the mysql driver in
velocity doesn't
once again, you'll need to shade it into your own plugin, ideally using a proper build tool like maven or gradle
you can do it with the build thingy in IJ but I don't support that
hallow remnant
How do I do this with grandlew
spice finch
Google for shadow jar plugjn
muted storm
did I get ghost pinged in here or somethin?
vernal moth
7:27AM my time by a bot
tall flame
is there a way to edit multiple .yaml files at once
i have thousands of yaml. and i just need to edit $ to €
golden gust
on *nix, use sed
otherwise, you'd need to find some other program but there are many like that
red halo
Well, it took them years to optimize loading time (and someone just did it for t...
hahaha
yea i rmemeber that
real saddle
i really want to learn java plugin coding i dnt know anything about java frm where to start
red halo
just do it
real saddle
let me check java tutorials
red halo
if you are young you can pick it up just playing with an ide very quickly
void void
Check out #general message
red halo
if you are young you can pick it up just playing with an ide very quickly
But I guess if you go this route instead of reading x book you need to be very interested in how everything works, so just get a grasp on the basics/fundamentals of programming first lol
I read the JVM/Java spec before I even touched a book related to Java lol
real saddle
let me check
muted storm
7:27AM my time by a bot
I’d figured it would have been a bot. I’m never pinged in here randomly lol
neat oyster
So I'm not expecting anything else from GTA6
So I'm not expecting anything else from GTA6
atleast for few yers lol
magic river
I think a German court recently ruled the same way but France now considers Google Analytics illegal
Because it sends your data to the US
void void
not for me
real saddle
for me some what some are dead cus of schools
void void
That's not what amaranth meant :P
real saddle
ok
magic river
First I thought the app itself needed a restart, it even took like 5-10 seconds to respond to a ctrl-r
But now the app itself seems to be responded alright but those two messages looked like they weren't going to go through
Now it all seems fine again though
vernal moth
I think a German court recently ruled the same way but France now considers Goog...
austria actually
but ye
sharing data with the US is a nono as the security of the data can't be guaranteed
magic river
Right, they either have to show it's encrypted such that only EU servers can actually read the data again or they have to stop doing it
Otherwise the US is free to read all of it without any kind of warrant or oversight under our laws since it's not data for or about US citizens and aside from that generally being shitty it violates GDPR
limber knotBOT
what do you mean by "austria actually" mini? Seems like France now did it too?
limber knotBOT
Munich Court rules usage of Google Fonts as illegal on the same basis last month
*ruled
magic river
Ah, that was the one
magic river
I didn't know about the Austria one, I was thinking of the Google Fonts one in Germany
limber knotBOT
pretty sure with that ruling any including of non-EU-hosted scripts should be considred as non-allowable
vernal moth
just their data protection whatever agency ruled it
magic river
That's what these cases appear to be settling on, yeah
limber knotBOT
doesn't really matter if it's Google Fonts, Google Analytics or Google Jquery lol
limber knotBOT
wat
with that google can easily track which websites you visit
not sure how that is not a massive privacy issue to you
vernal moth
if you give them the referrer which I would assume you would disable, lol
limber knotBOT
(of course it's not just IPs but browser footprints too but ¯_(ツ)_/¯ courts)
spare venture
i expect a lot from gta 6 considering they’ve made an absurd amount of money off of gta 5 and this is by far the longest they’ve ever taken to release a new game.
although i fully expect it to just be gta online
limber knotBOT
pretty sure all browsers have referes enabled by default 👀
magic river
Nope
limber knotBOT
*referrers
magic river
afaik default Edge and Firefox settings disable them for things that talk to Google CDN stuff
limber knotBOT
really? when did that change?
magic river
Safari probably does too
limber knotBOT
I mean it's not just google, that should be generally disabled for all sites
magic river
Enhanced Tracking Protection
vernal moth
and as a website provider including google stuff I obviously set referer policy same origin
limber knotBOT
also seeing as neither edge or firefox matter in the browser market...
magic river
Safari claims theirs is based on some heuristics, Edge and Firefox are just block lists and some across the board settings changes afaik
limber knotBOT
the question becomes: Does Chrome disable it by default?
magic river
🤣
vernal moth
it literally doesn't matter if I as a server tell the browser to not send referers to other origins
limber knotBOT
https://i.moep.tv/g5CsCPL2.png I miss the times when people actually used Firefox here ;_;
ok I guess Germany alone is a bit higher with 12.5%
magic river
Basically Safari claims they reimplemented PrivacyBadger but smarter so it's less likely to break things while Edge and Firefox have a built in uBlock Origin but with only the trackers list loaded
That also means using analytics to measure Firefox usage probably doesn't work so well 😛
Although I don't think they block them entirely, just strip out cookies and referrers and such, not sure
limber knotBOT
well my Minecraft server's website is 74% firefox lol
actually that was just february, january is more like 54%... and 28% IE lol
maybe I need to udpate awstats 👀
magic river
bleh, guess what is using the most CPU during the entire login/startup process on my desktop?
While all my chat programs and game libraries, and hardware control things are loading
That's right, Windows Defender
serene bolt
my favorite is when I open an archive with plenty of files, defender just pins my CPU at 100% for like 30+ seconds. and it happens every time, even with the same archive - you'd think it'd cache at least something
don't remember which site I saw the results on, I think it was AV comparatives maybe, but defender scored the lowest for file and archive performance by a lot in comparison to others
which is one of the reasons intellij and a few other things have you exclude your project folders from defender with a notification lol
golden gust
firefox
lol
everytime i've tried another browser, something always lets me down
safari is kinda nice but often has many dumb aspects
e.g. random missing features which causes me to jump to something chrome based; they've commited to working on that "this year", but, we'll see
firefox, idk, i think it's generally I just find somethin missing and the extention just isn't available
neat oyster
another weird thought imagin if out heartbeats become manual if we think about them
ornate dirge
safari is kinda nice but often has many dumb aspects
i dropped safari because LOTS of bugs and its a hell to develop in and for
is like internet explorer was as a webdev 10 years ago
not as bad
firefox is ok but sometimes i need a chrome browser because some obscure bug in a web too
SPANISH LOTTERY IM TALKING TO YOU FORKING HELL
limber knotBOT
firefox just knows that gambling is bad 
golden gust
I mean, i've been saying for months that it's basically the next IE
ornate dirge
they know too much yes
golden gust
and then somebody else on linkedin I think it was said that in a discussion from one of the heads of safaris division or something
magic river
For mobile Safari is the new IE in the sense that you're forced to use it but it's not keeping up
ornate dirge
but as a webdev, safari has the tools REALLY hidden
golden gust
they're apparently looking towards resolving that type of stuff but who knows
magic river
For desktop Chrome is the new IE in that standards don't matter, people just make it work with Chrome and fuck your browser if it doesn't work for you
magic river
This is not a good thing
neat oyster
Chrome is the standard xd
golden gust
pros and cons, really
ornate dirge
new api that chrome just droped?
firefox you better implement it or you go back
limber knotBOT
if onyl there was a central body defining the web standard...
ornate dirge
too much power on chrome
golden gust
the fact that so many people use chrome is a win in that respect
ornate dirge
yes, if only
golden gust
but, then you basically screw over everybody else
neat oyster
i jus cant use anything else
it is hard to adapt after so many years of usage
golden gust
Hey!
magic river
Plus, you know, Chrome is kind of scummy
golden gust
We have webm support now!
ornate dirge
chrome added an api to "is user away" basically and other ones are following
oh yes, but safari took A LONG time to support webm and webp
magic river
Pretty sure Firefox and Safari both said fuck that API
neat oyster
basically the only browser i have ever used since i started using the internet is chrome
golden gust
vivaldi stripped it out iirc
ornate dirge
the issue is that everything is chrome based
absolutley everything
and that sucks a lot
i wish a chromiumfox. a "hey make your easy firefox fork"
golden gust
the rendering engine is basically the defacto standard because of how much chrome has taken over the web
the extentions ecosystem is far better in chrome
magic river
Most of those extensions work in Firefox, the dev just has to upload them
limber knotBOT
web extensions api sucks ass though
the original firefox addons were way more powerfull
limber knotBOT
you have like zero control over the UI with chrome extension
while you could modify everything in firefox with addons
magic river
The original Firefox addons API wasn't an API 😛
It was here is a DLL file, it can call everything in the browser and in your OS
hallow remnant
Which is faster than a request to the config or to the database
magic river
Well, okay, you could also make those calls from JS due to XPCOM
But still, it wasn't really a clearly defined API
They had an API but you were also just allowed to call anything
limber knotBOT
imo if that's what the user wants then they should be allowed to. it's their PC ¯_(ツ)_/¯
magic river
Meant they couldn't do quantum stuff, electrolysis, sandboxing, etc because it would break those addons
Also meant addons broke every Firefox update since they were calling into unstable internals
Or directly modified the XUL used to build the browser UI so broke because someone changed an attribute on a tag
Not sure if XUL is even still a thing at this point, they were pushing hard at one point to try to build a working browser UI out of HTML5
tropic flame
the only XUL i see nowadays is being pushed by forks of FF
like Waterfox... or PaleMoon
magic river
Forks of ancient versions
tropic flame
PaleMoon
limber knotBOT
*Waterfox Classic
Waterfox 4 isn't based on the old codebase anymore
TIL that Palemoon still supports Flash and Java 👀
tropic flame
i guess hot take but what killed Flash weren't the vulnerabilities but the media overexposure around them
limber knotBOT
also HTML5 starting to be a thing
tropic flame
it was a fine thing and seemed easier to develop stuff for than what's available nowadays for the web
void void
Which is faster than a request to the config or to the database
config is directly stored in memory, so it's probably going to be faster, doesn't mean you should use config for data storage tho
golden gust
flash was vulnerable
tropic flame
I mean, making a game in flash vs making a game in HTML5+JS
golden gust
apple thankfully killed support for it
limber knotBOT
I doubt there are people makes games in html5+js without some game engine lol
golden gust
I mean, flash as a whole was inefficent and generally dated af with much technical debt on the side too
magic river
The animation timeline and such for Flash was amazing
golden gust
the what seemed like persistent new vulv's ontop of the rise of mobile web browsing sealed flashes fate
I did some flash stuff in college and the tooling for animations was pretty nice, not that that stuff is my forte at all
magic river
But the only reason it isn't a thing Adobe sells now that produces your animation and a little library to drive it all as JS is because Adobe decided they didn't want to sell that
limber knotBOT
pretty sure flash to js converters exist though
golden gust
for some stuff, iirc, yea
magic river
They tried for a minute but things weren't quite ready on their end or on the web and then I guess people just got used to youtube videos for that stuff instead
limber knotBOT
and flash for movie/tv animation is still big afaik
magic river
So now those old flash animations are done in After Effects and such and just rendered to a video
For a while AutoTools of all people sold a game UI library that was just a custom Flash runtime
Err, wait, that's not their name
AutoDesk?
limber knotBOT
that's a name, yes
magic river
The people who make CAD software
magic river
Yeah, they at least used to sell some game middleware that was just a Flash runtime so you could build your game UI in Adobe's authoring tools and do all the animations and transitions and such there then wire up the events to your game so the buttons actually did things
Battlefield used it, among many other games
Oh right they also own 3ds Max and Maya these days so they're real big on the creative stuff
void void
yeah they do a lot more than just cad stuff nowadays
magic river
CPI in the US is up 7.5%, 1.6% of that is just because of supply shortages for cars, crazy
Used car prices are up over 40% because they can't make new cars so everyone is buying up the decent used ones, actual car purchases are still down from 2019 apparently
shy zodiac
So what's the difference between Waterfall, Velocity, and Hangar? What do they all do?
magic river
Waterfall is to Bungeecord as Paper is to Spigot
Velocity is a from scratch proxy that should be more efficient and have a nicer API but you need all new plugins for it
Hangar is completely unrelated, it's a website
shy zodiac
So Velocity is an alternative to Waterfall?
magic river
Yeah, more or less
If you can do what you need with Velocity it's the better choice but unless you're a developer or don't need anything fancy out of your proxy you probably can't do what you need with it yet
It has a lot of plugins but it's a whole new ecosystem
shy zodiac
Okay, thanks 👍
magic river
And by a lot I mean like 12, apparently
shy zodiac
How long has it been in development?
magic river
I guess Velocity stuff is either only private dev or there just aren't as many users as I thought
Like 3 years
shy zodiac
Yeah, that does seem low 🤔
magic river
I don't even know why you'd need many plugins on a proxy
But one of those is https://forums.papermc.io/threads/snap-run-bungeecord-plugins-on-velocity.31/ so.... ¯_(ツ)_/¯
golden gust
think that theres more than that, maybe the old forums? 🤷♂️
Or, wait, didn't velocity have their own forums?
am not sure but I know they had a few more than that
There is some missing API, e.g. no scoreboard API yet
magic river
Fucking scoreboards
ripe sphinx
There's LP, there's some TAB plugins, don't need much more tbh
golden gust
but, in part, you are losing multiple dozens of years of crud churn
magic river
Having your proxy manage your scoreboard sounds alright, until you also try to do something with it in your server
Then pain
Then sadness
Then 🥃
shy zodiac
Interesting. I'm planning on running multiple Paper servers on one physical box with either Waterfall or Velocity for friends (whitelist only). If LP works on Velocity, any reason not to go for that? Also will that work, running multiple Paper servers and the proxy on the same box?
golden gust
no reason to not use it if it meets your needs
and assuming that box has the resources, should be fine
shy zodiac
Old dual hex-core xeons, so should be fine.
With Velocity not having a scoreboard API, does that mean there's no way for the proxy to have a scoreboard that stretches across the servers?
ashen cliff
Just make sure to use the latest Java version on those.
void void
And by a lot I mean like 12, apparently
There are roughly 100 more on the old velocity forums iirc
prime marsh
Has anyone ever worked with hex placeholders which return a string as #123456? how could that be used to color text in chat? doing &%placholder% literally shows &%placeholder% xd
ripe sphinx
Depends on where it's being displayed and the color code formatting it's expecting
there's like 5 different standard ways of doing hex colors
golden gust
I mean, you'd need to parse it through a serialiser which actually supports that format
prime marsh
Well, I'm just configuring it xd
lilac moon
I should make posts for the plugins I made
prime marsh
Well, I'm just configuring it xd
I mean, I'm just working on a config file which is using the string like that
waxen panther
yoo bbaovanc in paper ?
golden gust
I mean, that's not the standard chat format
lilac moon
no for vleocity
waxen panther
lilac moon
its a couple small plgins
waxen panther
i recognise your name from r/jb 
golden gust
I mean, it displaying as &%... screams that your palceholder ain't even working
prime marsh
I mean, that's not the standard chat format
Well, idk, I just have the placeholder heh
lilac moon
wtf
golden gust
don't mention
waxen panther
i haven't been active there in a long time though
lilac moon
I gtg
prime marsh
I mean, it displaying as &%... screams that your palceholder ain't even working
No, doing %placeholder% returns the #0000ff, but doing &% breaks it
golden gust
glhf
prime marsh
So the placeholder does work
left swift
i haven't been active there in a long time though
typical redditor
waxen panther
fr
prime marsh
So the placeholder does work
It is a towny placeholder btw xd %townyadvanced_town_map_color_hex% is the placeholder
magic river
prime marsh
Yup, asked there but there's no answer, it is not much active
I thought this could be a "common" thing with other hex placeholders so maybe someone here could have an answer
magic river
The problem is the question you're asking depends on Towny
So... unless someone else here uses it, notices your question, and feels like answering there isn't much chance we'll know what to do there
Only thing I can think of is try without the #
prime marsh
The placeholder itself works, it's just the way of using it to format the chat
magic river
Right but it doesn't format the chat because of how Towny works
How does Towny work? I have no unearthly idea
prime marsh
Right but it doesn't format the chat because of how Towny works
why?
magic river
I have no idea, I just said that
prime marsh
Well then it's not that lol
magic river
There isn't some standard API in the server Towny is using here, that I'm aware of
So they're doing their own thing
That means how it works depends on knowing Towny
I don't know Towny
prime marsh
I'm talking about a placeholder tho, not about towny
ripe sphinx
Well it depends on wherever you're putting the placeholder
golden gust
if %... works but &%... doesn't, ask what is parsing those placeholders
prime marsh
That's why I used the example as something "common"
magic river
I give up
left swift
lol
prime marsh
if %... works but &%... doesn't, ask what is parsing those placeholders
yeah, basically that
left swift
magic river
I've never used Towny, I've never used PlaceholderAPI, I tried to direct you to the people most likely to help, I even tossed in a suggestion that might work just at random
prime marsh
sorry lol discord does it automatically
magic river
goes back to work
prime marsh
alr I'll see if they update it like so, maybe that'll work
magic river
You aren't even in the right channel to try to ask this kind of question, thinking about it some more
Maybe someone looking at #paper-help knows
Worst case they send you back to the towny discord server
This is where we talk about how RWBY is the best anime ever created
prime marsh
Maybe someone looking at <#289587909051416579> knows
Yeah no, this is not paper related xd is a general config topic
prime marsh
This is where we talk about how RWBY is the best anime ever created
what's rwby? xd
magic river
#general doesn't mean "I need help but it's not Paper", it means this is where we shoot the shit 😛
magic river
Sometimes there is helping each other with stuff in there
prime marsh
yeaahh ill try there too, there's nothing to lose xd
magic river
The way I think about it is if I don't recognize you then you're probably in the wrong place, if you're asking for help in here 😛
golden gust
rwby is trash an so r u
magic river
RWBY always feels like it's just short of being amazing, tbh
The concept, world, and characters are all awesome but usually the episodes just don't quite do it for me
waxen panther
golden gust
It's all too short snippets that i's like, theres no real flow
magic river
The music is the best part of it
grave yarrow
🤨
golden gust
the music was kinda nice but too repetative if you're tryna play catchup
I mean, it gets like that for most shows but, given that it was a stupidly short show
magic river
I, uh, definitely don't have all the soundtracks in my iTunes library, no sir
left swift
Shut up nomana
who asked
plucky sparrow
Leave this server
left swift
u wish
plucky sparrow
I do yes
frank otter
*we do yes
left swift
plucky sparrow
No wonder cat has like five hundred tabs open
frank otter
cat has a YouTube video reaction for every possible situation
frank otter
mhm
plucky sparrow
He is really predictable
golden gust
to be fair, i think that's because OH, SHINY!
golden gust
< scary movie rug piss.gif>
left swift
haha maybe haha perhaps lol haha
plucky sparrow
cringe
golden gust
:dmca:
left swift
copystrike dap
warm anchor
night parcel
i got banned from citizens discord because they checked the server in my profile and it was with fastlogin xd
i used premium test server for tests and bug report
kinda sus ngl
golden gust
many people don't support offline mode
some servers hard enforce hat
maybe we should
that would be a blessing
void void
@ aurora pls fix
night parcel
i agree, but i didnt bother them with offline server
void void
just get michael as a mod to ban all the offline mode users
night parcel
i can make alt, and hide my server
and report bugs with premium test server
still, kinda sus
magic river
I think you're missing the fact that we wish you would go die in a fire 🙂
night parcel
i have a solution about how to kill cracked servers. Just add in plugins something like a backdoor that works only on cracked servers.
i remember when pmmp tried to kill forks by making plugin devs add virions on their plugins xd
left swift
the fact that you call normal minecraft servers "premium" is the problem
night parcel
idk how to call them
left swift
regular minecraft servers
night parcel
i spend my time with cracked users
sudden vessel
i have a solution about how to kill cracked servers. Just add in plugins somethi...
old (1.8?) server behind bungeecord in offline mode: 🥲
night parcel
yes, offline mode not allowed
even if you use bungeecord
i heard that they banned even those who had premium enabled on bungeecord and offline back end servers
:)))
left swift
sure
night parcel
yes, i saw in spigot page
warm anchor
ok
night parcel
in reviews
left swift
right
warm anchor
sure
left swift
spigot reviewers are trustworthy and respectable
left swift
paying doesnt mean you cant be a dumbass
smoky cloud
smh people pay for Minecraft plugins but not Minecraft itself
left swift
imagine
night parcel
idk man, i used a premium test server for test and report, i helped them with the bug, and as a thanks i get muted and banned
for 2 years
night parcel
the bug is that in newer versions, new players cant use npc that have <p> in commands
crimson haven
If you help the police to catch a burglar but they find out you are a murderer they still arrest you
night parcel
but, i used premium server for test
why would you have a problem with what i do in private
they not police
just a discord server
left swift
magic river
Cool, then you can set your server to online mode
tropic flame
i got banned from citizens discord because they checked the server in my profile...
if they went that far then they probably wouldn't be very helpful anyways
magic river
I'm pretty sure admitting you run a public offline mode server is not only against this server's ToS but against Discord's too
night parcel
anyway, i fixed my issue, by reverting the update, and gave them a very hard to find bug to fix
i didnt admit
golden gust
I mean
golden gust
no idea what prompted them to look
night parcel
then banned
left swift
not only kinda
golden gust
they have their policies, and, well, seemed like you lied at the very least
crimson haven
Microsoft probably will put an end to cracked servers in the future after the account migrations are done. So
left swift
maybe its cuz u lied about it
night parcel
i have fastlogin, those who bought premium can play
and about half got either premium or bedrock
left swift
you mean those who bought minecraft
magic river
By about half do you mean 1 normal user and 1 pirate? 😛
night parcel
but cracked mc will never die
they are protesting because i dont add modpacks
i had like 20 daily players
xd
i had fastlogin, and some tought i put my server in online mode, so i lost 90% of cracked users
magic river
I have no idea how you build a server community that doesn't involve $$$$ in ad spends
Was just thinking about that, my answer to how to do it is "be the server /r/minecraft was created for"
left swift
[SUPER TITANIUM VIP] Jxjekw11222: I cant buy minecraft cuz I cant afford it
night parcel
lmao
magic river
Fun fact: /r/minecraft wasn't created for the game
night parcel
for what
magic river
It was for the MC server the supermods were playing on
As the game got more popular posts about it basically pushed out the server and they moved somewhere else
night parcel
now those mc videos with notch make sense
magic river
No, those are just kids
left swift
right
magic river
I'm talking about 2010
night parcel
so mc, was like a online game?
magic river
Uh, it's was Minecraft
left swift
premium online
magic river
But the subreddit was for a specific MC server, not the game in general
left swift
amaranth with the lore dump
night parcel
this is why i like vps, less than 1$/gb
magic river
That server ended up getting pushed to /r/mcpublic btw, they still exist
I think it's even still some of the same people
At some point the founder went afk too long on reddit so they were finally able to get him removed as the top mod on /r/minecraft, kind of sad
ashen cliff
I have no idea how you build a server community that doesn't involve $$$$ in ad ...
I mean, we build our server without direct ads or $$$. Just naturally grew, because all other servers in our country were corrupt or didn't handle the user data correctly.
spare venture
I have no idea how you build a server community that doesn't involve $$$$ in ad ...
by doing the advertising yourself
i.e. social media
left swift
chad doesnt do work
lilac moon
i am still procrastinating migrating my mc account
spare venture
chad doesnt do work
ok
south matrix
avatar is gonna have a sequel in december, and then they plan on making three more
aint that somethin
ashen cliff
Got to milk it for all its worth.
limber knotBOT
pretty sure those were planed since the beginning. the first movie even ends on somewhat of a cliffhanger
magic river
Avatar 2 and 3 were talked about like a week after opening day for the first one
They figured it'd take 5+ years for each one so they were planning ahead, or something like that
lilac moon
i just ended a sentence with a semicolon on my homework
also made my first pr to velocit ytoday
viral hornet
@static badge
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spare venture
@viral hornet
viscid wedge
spare venture
after importing a 92GB mysql db that took 3 hours. ERROR 1347 (HY000): 'mysql.user' is not of type 'TABLE'
amazing
jaunty kayak
click to see magic XD
