Because they're not licensed as GPL
#general
golden gust
that's the entire issue
Just because they should be doesn't mean that they are
ofc, IANAL, so, idk how it would be treated as a matter of the law, but, in terms of places like spigot or plugin devs, etc, you're in for a shit show
EWG also died too other day
still sorrel
what's the anti cheat everyone is using these days
golden gust
I was kinda placing bets for stuff
most of what I've seen people move towards is spartan, for better or worse
pallid edge
ofc, IANAL, so, idk how it would be treated as a matter of the law, but, in term...
mh would be funny if spigot protects them though, since those plugins are violating spigot's own license π
still sorrel
what?? the limit is no longer 20 euros for a plugin on spigotmc?
pallid edge
I almost wanted to buy it few months ago, I'm glad I decided for vulcan tho
golden gust
20usd or equiv
pallid edge
well 22.49β¬ is like 25usd
wide chasm
Maximum prices are not applied to plugins that have had a higher price set prior to the new maximum of 20, so as long as the author does not change the price, it can be at 22.49 euros.
neat oyster
i see like other spigot rules
still sorrel
I might be going insane after the 47th rewrite of my massive plugin
wide chasm
In that case, you should rewrite it a 48th time, just to be sure
true canyon
@worn ember voice chat wheel line
worn ember
worn ember
its all about who tanked the most
still sorrel
it feels like its legit impossible to get anything done in java
simple karma
huh
still sorrel
since there are 20 different design patterns you can use for any use case
simple karma
i mean its a low level lang
still sorrel
you go with one and realise that the other one is better
then you go though this endless loophole of refactoring to the design pattern that suits the needs as your codebase grows
worn ember
java is not low level lol
still sorrel
why is there not just one standardised way to do anything like in Spring
when you are working with an MVC model
simple karma
java is not low level lol
i mean it depends who you ask
still sorrel
well spring is an actual framework and paper is not
simple karma
some people will tell you C is a high level lang
still sorrel
some people will tell you C is a high level lang
those people are high them selves
neat oyster
the lang you learn first will be high level for u xd
worn ember
well there are just multiple ways of approaching stuff, its not a bad thing, just gotta stay consistent
neat oyster
only language i remotely know and can do stuff is java
tropic flame
most of what I've seen people move towards is spartan, for better or worse
I still say that NCP(-Updated) is an excellent anticheat if you configure it to work exactly how you want and this is a hill I'm willing to die on
but most people just want something that works out of the box
worn ember
I know java best, closly followed by C#
tropic flame
or come with excuses like "since it's free, hacks can detect it!!!!"
yeah, hacks can detect code that only exists serverside 
that's a nice bit for a standup comedy
golden gust
I mean, idk if it's rolled with the times much
but, I mean, name an anticheat which really has π€·ββοΈ
worn ember
yeah, hacks can detect code that only exists serverside <:kekw:67409368196330293...
they probably mean they can just bypass it
neat oyster
so in the future should i get spartan or vulcan
tropic flame
they probably mean they can just bypass it
sounds like a forgiving configuration, then
which falls into what i said earlier, just configure it to use tighter values
idk man
worn ember
yeah till you get banned for standing on a fencepost 
tropic flame
their arguments kinda become deaf to me when they go "but open source means hackers can look at it!!" like the opposite can't be true either
contributors can look at it and fix things (faster)
tropic flame
yeah till you get banned for standing on a fencepost <:KEKW:628249422253391902>
i mean
eh
idk I'm not a public server owner i guess, that's probably the thing that's missing in my thoughts
all my servers have been for me and my friends
worn ember
i mean i dont care what you use
tropic flame
so I don't have to care about hacking
(mostly because I kinda don't care if they do)
but like
wasting money with anticheat plugins 
couldn't be me
ultimately you need mods to look over the server
you can't just automate everything
true canyon
assembly high level lang
I wish to see somebody make a block-based (like Scratch) IDE for assembly.
still sorrel
its really amazing how Β§ is still supported in text with paper
insane backwards compatibility
worn ember
more so a spigot/bukkit thing
still sorrel
wow
tropic flame
i don't see Bukkit dropping it any time soon tbh
as long as there are users of Bukkit
worn ember
its one of those days again
tropic flame
even i feel like I'm too used to write &Β§ and shit in configuration files to now change to something else
golden gust
more vanilla still uses it
tropic flame
in code? I'm glad to do it
in YAML files? no thank you
still sorrel
well it can be simply replaced with the minimessage syntax
golden gust
spigot does rewrite all legacy text towards components
topaz mortar
its one of those days again
Basically drop an Economy plugin in and it should work
golden gust
everything is roundtripped
worn ember
oh yeah i keep forgetting i need one of those too
golden gust
dumbass
worn ember
should probably fix that message then
golden gust
yea
should check for vault on its own
and then check for eco if you wanted accurate messages there
worn ember
very cool
its been a while since i touched bukkit stuff
been more into modding lately
golden gust
somebody really needs to make a competent vault tutorial :/
worn ember
the basics are explained on their github but beyond that
golden gust
their basics are basically bleh anyways
they don't handle much properly there really
worn ember
true
gonna be better once i move over to a tick based system instead of this concurrency mess cuz its not being very reliable 
true canyon
I have 32 gigs, I'll be okay.
Issue was IDEA fell over trying to update maven dependencies on a project that had http still for a few repos
pastel pivot
What is "more correct" when I want to assign a task to a specific CPU core and run it using screen?
screen -d -m -S <name> taskset -c 0 <task>
taskset -c 0 screen -d -m -S <name> <task>
red timber
not necessary to taskset screen itself
golden gust
so, applying it to screen makes 0 sense as the forked process won't be bound by that
pastel pivot
Thanks a lot!
silver nexus
It's fine for me sadly
true canyon
It's up and I got a new 5 star review! π₯³
worn ember
[18:16:50 INFO]: Villager EntityVillager['Nitwit'/164, uuid='d7e5bf68-b5fe-41c7-8243-59cb783b8561', l='ServerLevel[testworld]', x=8500431.72, y=65.00, z=-3217190.37, cpos=[531276, -201075], tl=191, v=true] died, message: 'Nitwit suffocated in a wall'
Smh suicidal villagers
twin lagoon
@lavish compass @waxen panther 
neat oyster
i have CS exam tomorow 
warm anchor
Michael never pings me anymore 
twin lagoon
@warm anchor 
warm anchor
@twin lagoon 
lavish compass
@twin lagoon 
wide chasm
i have CS exam tomorow <a:sed:845588420423843862>
Good luck
wide chasm
plucky sparrow
π₯³
pallid edge
summer rivet
is it possible to get internet with high amount of download aswell as upload?
ashen cliff
Yes?
novel horizon
That's quite normal in most areas, depends on ISP
There's lots of them who offers +- same
While discussing internet connection let me flex mine
https://www.speedtest.net/result/12723169855.png
foggy veldt
I have Like 500 down and 30 up
novel horizon
Realistically 100 is enough download, i mean for personal usage
I have that connection just because it's so cheap
100/100 for me was about ~10β¬, this one is about ~12.5β¬ a month
spare venture
That's quite normal in most areas, depends on ISP
"most"
maybe outside the US
this is a little more common
ashen cliff
Fact.
peak dirge
magic river
If Meta is not given the option to transfer, store and process data from its European users on US-based servers, Facebook and Instagram may be shut down across Europe, the social media giantsβ owner reportedly warned in its annual report.
Don't, stop, please, wait
quasi valley
Would be kind of ploggers
twin lagoon
do deploy tokens exist on github
wide chasm
Is that even viable for Meta? I feel like that would lose them way too many users.
twin lagoon
like PATs but not attached to your personal account
specifically for accessing GHCR so you might know this @lavish compass
the only thing i can find is people using PATs for GHCR but that is stupid
wraith trail
I'm pretty sure no, but you can just create an access token on a dummy account
twin lagoon
that's dumb
twin lagoon
okay AWS ECR it is
charred sleet
https://strawpoll.com/svs3xk1zp
opinions please
ashen cliff
void void
@plucky sparrow we should do this for our winterhost autumnhost
plucky sparrow
<@!262644781241466880> we should do this for our ~~winterhost~~ autumnhost
hmm yeah
but that means we have to raise our prices doesnt it
lament patio
Lowest cost per GB of RAM in the market!
void void
but that means we have to raise our prices doesnt it
true, that google subscription isn't going to pay itself
granite slate
Guys quick question. I've recently switched to Linux. Does it exists a software like CurseForge that allows me to have different instances of minecraft in a nice way?
granite slate
OK ty
rare python
MultiMC is almost perfect.
still sorrel
am I the only one who ever thought about what if Paper was a framework instead of an API
still sorrel
The designers of software frameworks aim to facilitate software developments by allowing designers and programmers to devote their time to meeting software requirements rather than dealing with the more standard low-level details of providing a working system, thereby reducing overall development time.
I mean its hard to draw the line
like there is no command framework baked into paper
but there is an API for almost everything
ancient bolt
again, meaningless distinction. Paper manages the application lifecycle, which by most definitions classifies it as a framework
vernal moth
Arguing semantics, my favorite topic
ancient bolt
you're my favorite topic
vernal moth
Awww
still sorrel
uhg what do I know, just a fulltime fullstack web dev who does a little plugin development in his free time
glass crag
sounds a bit like how FE devs compare react/vue/angular, where react provides a more barebone framework and angular comes with basically everything out of the box, and vue sits somewhere in the middle
paper probably sits in between react/vue on that scale, with user packages providing useful functionality
spare venture
i think instead of trying to question what category it is in, just say what you're curious it'd be like if paper was whatever youre thinking
still sorrel
I was thinking how paper could possibly provide higher level functionality and standardise common tasks
vernal moth
Can we not put everything in boxes?
Life doesn't work that way
What exactly do you mean?
still sorrel
like registering listeners
spare venture
one example you gave was having a more in depth command system?
still sorrel
for example if the main class had a method that could be overwritten that has a method that returns an array of listeners which will be run after the onEnable and will register all the listeners returned from that method
vernal moth
Well, plenty options available for that, we don't have the work force to maintain such big apis
spare venture
my question is why not just use existing command frameworks? if paper were to have to manage tons of stuff like that, nothing would ever get done
still sorrel
dont look into the idea too much, but something in that direction
vernal moth
for example if the main class had a method that could be overwritten that has a ...
That wouldn't even save you a single line of code
warm anchor
We gonna have to clone mini now to maintain that
still sorrel
Well, plenty options available for that, we don't have the work force to maintai...
that is the issue, there are too many options if you wanna do something
untold meadow
it would actually add lines of code for no reason?
vernal moth
Basically, by focusing on the stuff only we can do, we can do that good and leave the stuff others can do to others
spare venture
is having options a bad thing?
untold meadow
and you're saying the solution to there being too many options for something is to add another option?
vernal moth
that is the issue, there are too many options if you wanna do something
There are like 3 command frameworks, that's not much lol
still sorrel
is having options a bad thing?
if its unclear what the best solution is having many options is a bad thing
vernal moth
And only one of them is worth using in 2022
spare venture
uses acf
vernal moth
Well, you gotta be able to make educated decisions as a dev
still sorrel
like those choices always go well
untold meadow
for good devs they do go well
still sorrel
are you saying good devs dont make mistakes?
vernal moth
And if they don't a process called "learning" starts ^^
untold meadow
im saying they make educated decisions about what libraries to use
still sorrel
take for example getting the item in the users hand
I can think of 4 different ways to do it
untold meadow
what
vernal moth
If you hate yourself you do it via inventory slots, but that would be called making a bad decision
still sorrel
I never said that this was about which command framework to use kezz, someone else shifted it in that direction
still sorrel
are you saying the entire user base consists of good devs?
untold meadow
jfc
still sorrel
or at least your definition of good devs
untold meadow
when did i say that
twin lagoon
average paper general moment
vernal moth
I still don't even understand the point
untold meadow
what could've possibly led you to think i said that
vernal moth
How is choice bad?
If you make a bad choice you can always learn from it and make a better one next time
still sorrel
why would you put obstacles in the developer's way
still sorrel
maybe I have been pampered too much in the Symfony ecosystem
glass crag
sounds like you might like the sponge api
vernal moth
Oh god php
untold meadow
sponge is no more or less opinionated than paper
still sorrel
unprofound prejudice against php again
untold meadow
prejudice lmao
vernal moth
From personal experience
lilac zephyr
Php should be banned.
vernal moth
I would rather continue writing cobol than to touch php again
glass crag
I'd say sponge is a bit more opinionated, it comes with DI, vault-style api, placeholder api, etc
still sorrel
cause those frameworks slap a big bandage over php and pretty much fix it
lilac zephyr
Laravel and symfony, still hate it
still sorrel
so what do you write your backend in for your frontend application?
vernal moth
Spring + Vue is my preferred stack right now
glass crag
laravel is nice until you need to write non-laravel php then you get sad again
lilac zephyr
C# or TS, frontend react
still sorrel
I haven't written any spring myself, did follow a 3 hour youtube tutorial
it looked decent
cant say much about it
vernal moth
Well, it's software so it sucks by default
But it sucks less than everything else I touched
Oh btw, am rewriting the frontend of hangar in my head right now and idk if I love or hate the thought of that
still sorrel
how long would it take you to set up a blog api with a barebone admin panel, login and frontend while having 2 entities (user, blogpost)
in spring + vue
ancient bolt
that is the weirdest standard I've ever heard of
still sorrel
dont care, its something I had to do so can compare
vernal moth
A week π
ancient bolt
you can do that in 2 seconds with anything that gives you a template
untold meadow
just what hangar needs - a rewrite! :p
native wolf
obligatory "Hangar wen?"
ancient bolt
doesn't tell you anything about how quickly or easily you can do anything
vernal moth
Think about it, vite, faster dev times, no vuetify, vue3, tailwind, composition API
It sounds so nice
lilac zephyr
Does hangar use TW or something else?
still sorrel
if your framework provides templates it surely makes life easier
vernal moth
It's why I want to throw it away
still sorrel
bootstrap is my to go to
vernal moth
Vuetify is amazing for quickly throwing something together and decent looking admin apps
But for user facing you end up battling it, just like every css framework
Am nuking bootstrap at work next week, well, starting to do so
lilac zephyr
I could help with tailwind stuff if needed, I just need to learn vue again :p
lilac moon
i havent really done any js related stuff
glass crag
tailwind increased my productivity so much
vernal moth
I don't have an opinion about tailwind yet
I have coworkers that like boostraps utility classes so I want to give it a try
still sorrel
every admin panel needs to have a few specific things
- side navigation where you can navigate to a list page for an entity
- list view for a specific entity with filters and pagination
- edit/create view for a specific record
~ optional: export functionality
Symfony has a library that allows you to add this all super quickly
glass crag
css using composition, and ez media queries are my 2 favourite things
vernal moth
Why does your backend do frontend things?
still sorrel
due to the tight integration of coupling entities to forms
vernal moth
That's the reason why I hate php
still sorrel
server side rendering
vernal moth
It encourages broken architecture
lilac zephyr
There is no reason for ssr for admin application
still sorrel
server side rendering is really nice for admin panels
vernal moth
Even with ssr you want strong separation between view and logic
still sorrel
you do
templates are an entirely different layer
in symfony
you call a template and provide it data
2 seperate things
model-view-controller
vernal moth
I do ssr on Vue and backend in spring, so I can never build broken architecture
pallid edge
Hangar uses vuetify right now
U don't even know how much I hate it, trying to make hangar look good. A lot of stuff is just hard-coded in the vuetify node module ;(
still sorrel
but for development speed its really nice how you don't have to configure an entire API and adopt it for your admin panel
if you just ssr
pallid edge
I'm currently rewriting the frontend in sveltekit for fun
vernal moth
I'll try not to do 11 hour shifts at work next week and explore stuff
still sorrel
admin panels can be SSR. anything the casual visitors touch would be written in vue though
lilac zephyr
Does svelte finally have something cool? Last time tried svelte it was very limited
glass crag
isnt that what sveltekit is
pallid edge
Does svelte finally have something cool? Last time tried svelte it was very limi...
Well sveltekit has been getting more mature
still sorrel
wait or does it have a router
vernal moth
Anything a user touches needs to be ssr in my opinion
Especially if google touches it, that becomes a hard requirement
still sorrel
google does run javascript though
glass crag
yeah if you want get SEO go ssr
still sorrel
but you can use nuxt to still ssr
lilac zephyr
Yep but it does not like SPAs
glass crag
if its an internal app or behind a login i'd go SPA
vernal moth
If mars and Venus align they might, yes, lmao
You got a budget of like 10 seconds on a limited CPU, no spa renders in that time properly
vernal moth
I know they do
still sorrel
index your entire spa application in 30 seconds
vernal moth
But they hate to do it so your content will be extremely outdated
still sorrel
I mean it takes a bit to update
lilac zephyr
Yeah, i had to rewrite our webstore from plain react app to gatsby because google did not like spas :(
still sorrel
don't you just need to provide a valid head tag with nuxt or something
containing all the info you need
vernal moth
On high traffic keywords there is just no margin of error for that stuff
lilac zephyr
Also we had to make build for each store instead of using the same one and ngl it is pain in the ass
glass crag
Nuxt is ssr
vernal moth
Google cares waaaayyy more about the content than the head
warm anchor
Make sense if you think about it
still sorrel
we use hybrid of SSR and SPA
lilac zephyr
Iirc head content does not matter so much anymore
vernal moth
They straight up rewrite stuff like page title if they feel like it doesn't fit your content
still sorrel
with Symfony we create basically the entire head and then mount a vue instance on the body
glass crag
I've been trying nextjs for ssr/ssg, it seems leagues ahead of other similar frameworks
vernal moth
Description they don't really care about anymore at all, they generate it themselves
still sorrel
our company never had to create something where CEO was a priority
mostly internal applications
topaz mortar
still sorrel
or projects targeted at a user base who will have the url regardless
vernal moth
Oh god please no
lilac zephyr
https://vaadin.com
Sounds like a made in Finland
vernal moth
Vaadin and gwt can die in a hole
topaz mortar
Vaadin and gwt can die in a hole
Vaadin is a "Screw You JS" tooling, if you want. π
lilac zephyr
Ah their HQ is about 15km from my home
topaz mortar
Hangar goes WebAssembly when.
pallid edge
I'd love to use webassembly, but initial download size is waay too big :(
topaz mortar
That sound cool: https://www.teavm.org
Useful? Decide yourself.
vernal bone
π΅
lilac moon
gitea
stiff whale
how to make server admin cry 101
just spawn 11k item entities
could be worse
rancid void
Epic
left swift
no politics
warped pelican
That sound cool: https://www.teavm.org
Useful? Decide yourself.
honestly sounds like you can axe the bytecode and convert Java source directly to js
stiff whale
no politics
this isnt politics tho
stiff whale
lmao
woven python
imagine being so committed to an axe and shovel
lilac moon
they are necessary
woven python
girl for what
lilac moon
wood and dirt
foggy silo
Ur missing 1 last tool
lilac moon
it's in my inventory
foggy silo
The most important of them all
lilac moon
foggy silo
π
lilac moon
in the inventory
stiff whale
i dont have space to put a bow
you have 4 slots free smh
lilac moon
Even mending
i have two actually
the other one has silk touch instead of fortune and is named hoax
foggy silo
Lol
viral hornet
@twin lagoon goodnight π₯Ί
tropic flame
i am politics
that means you're a bannable topic
interesting
no one shall talk about nomana, then
nomana must be refered as The One Who Shall Not Be Named, from now on
voldemort-style
magic river
Oh wait that's a decimal separator, not a thousands seperator
Or is it?
I don't remember how Germany works there
golden gust
magic river
Wait is that a humidifier that looks like a giant capacitor that lets out the magic smoke?
Oh, it's an essential oils diffuser thing, still though
warm anchor
love it
left swift
that means you're a bannable topic
chrome quest
Is there a discord server for getting help with minecraft plugins?
As in making them.
spare venture
#paper-dev is good for questions
but if you're completely new to java, might not be the best place
golden gust
!ban @viral kettle Pinging random staff
thorny flickerBOT
:raised_hands: Banned Sneaky YT#9999 (Pinging random staff) [1 total infraction] -- electronicboy#8869.
normal charm
huh
summer rivet
100/100 for me was about ~10β¬, this one is about ~12.5β¬ a month
wtf i would have to pay 40β¬/month for 100/40
but only if i would have cable
here is only lte and that cost 2-3times more and only have 10/2mbit
vernal moth
Here that's below what you are guaranteed by law ^^
novel horizon
Yeah, that sucks, it depends on where you live, I had to live with horrible connection for some time, so
summer rivet
most connectioms here are 100/5 mbit
novel horizon
I love close to some of their connection points or whatever, so it's really cheap
And transition from 100 to 1000 was just "okay let me enable it for you" and done, althought I'd be completely fine with 100 too π€·ββοΈ
Just wanted to have it, just because
summer rivet
Well 100 is very fast where i life
novel horizon
Yeah, 100 is already great
novel horizon
Because it was so cheap I wanted to get it, otherwise nono
vernal moth
its really funny, speedtest.net caps out at 200/200, need to use fast.com
summer rivet
Jealous https://i.redd.it/pzh19enmfag81.jpg
what url is this site?
vernal moth
speedtest.net app
vernal moth
interesting that you have no difference between loaded and unloaded, that means your local distribution thingy is overloaded
novel horizon
It's still great and I don't really know how much that affects the distance of those
vernal moth
I got assigned a POP in Warsaw which is > 1100km from me too
novel horizon
Funny
vernal moth
speedtest.net ping isnt accurate
novel horizon
They have few servers it seems?
Ping is really great anyway, unless it's unstable or big, idc
I get around 10 ms ping in MC for example
In games like Dota or so it can get to 30-40, depends
Having it unstable is much worse, lol
tropic flame
most connectioms here are 100/5 mbit
meanwhile I'm here with 30/10
ok but 5 of upload is miserable
ashen cliff
20/0.7. Here.
novel horizon
Sometimes I'm not in the city and just go with 15/3 or so, it's a pain a bit when you are used to have everything good
But the worse is ping, actually
golden gust
ISPs lovingly prioritise those sites
so it creates some fun scenarios during congestion when speedtest.net performs like a champ and you get realtek download server speeds π
novel horizon
They can, but some sites are really unknown that much and still
golden gust
(OGs only know the pain of getting a fast 20Mbps internet connection and downloading realtek drivers for their machine on the site at a whopping 64Kbps)
summer rivet
golden gust
Have you considered upgrading to dialup?
south matrix
so that's what they mean by offline mode
novel horizon
Having such slow connection is worse than no connection
I find it better to have no internet at all, than to have a really bad one
Like really high ping or really slow, ugh
tropic flame
so that's what they mean by offline mode
can't afford to waste more bandwidth by authenticating with Mojang
summer rivet
Having such slow connection is worse than no connection
almost everything is timeouting
summer rivet
well its reduced connection bc my volume is empty
and its so expensive to buy volume
80β¬ for ublimited if 24months and 110β¬ for one month
not payable for students like me xD
novel horizon
ew π¦
lofty root
hi
wispy grail
hi
golden gust
Please don't share affiliate links
wispy grail
oh sorry my bad
calm oxide
keen sable
void arch
hi guys does somebody know a plugin that can change the fall-damage based on wg region?
knotty oasis
Ive been seeing so many people fall victim to the nitro scam trojan lately
there is no exploit in the wild that merely viewing the embedded image triggers something right?
its puzzling to me so many people click on those links
or run exes
oblique wadi
Some people donβt know any better than to interact with those scam links
neat oyster
Ive been seeing so many people fall victim to the nitro scam trojan lately
servers should implement the bait channel idea
true canyon
its puzzling to me so many people click on those links
Ooh free stuff!
languid karma
its puzzling to me so many people click on those links
Bro people use Bukkit to run their servers
Why do u still have hope in humanity
ionic trellis
I'm trying to import a world to multiverse but it says it doesn't support special characters or spaces (my world name has spaces). Is there another way of importing a world without changing it's name?
ionic trellis
I'm asking for a work around for this.
left swift
why would it ever matter in the history of the entire world that your world folder doesnt have spaces
golden gust
I mean, basically, no
knotty oasis
world display names and world names on disk are best kept completely separate
frank otter
servers should implement the bait channel idea
what happened
#general message
viscid wedge
bruh just remove the space
spare venture
5600x, 5800x, or E2388G?
lament patio
5800x, the xeon is a close second
spare venture
was wondering which of those two was the better of this generation
in an OVH dc
now i just need to decide if i need a 5600x or 5800x i guess
$137/mo vs $180/mo. not that big of a difference
void void
for 2 cores thats a pretty big jump
spare venture
4 more threads can make a difference
torn kelp
novel horizon
fire player like what, kick him from the game or ignite them?
essentialsx has command /burn to set player on fire
charred sleet
mfw the spigot discord gets an update 
left swift
who cares
charred sleet
not you, evidently
novel horizon
waxen panther
weird thing to mention in paper
vernal moth
Somebody did the math, the etherium network consumes the power of 8.5 million 3090s
In case somebody wondered where the GPUs went
vernal moth
There is still a global shortage
Cause miners continue to waste more
Etherium broke the petahash mark
Fuck this bullshit
novel horizon
left swift
weird thing to mention in paper
ok
golden gust
I just love the part where basically all the people you'd expect to be against it are supporting it
It's comically fucking moronic
novel horizon
You want me to get 3090? Oh yes, I'd like for sure to get a gpu that costs 3x more than my whole setup
Cheapest 3090 here is like over 2,5k β¬
that's kinda funny
Even before when it was boom and it was everywhere that it's sold out you could sometimes get it for like 2k β¬
left swift
just be rich next time
novel horizon
And now it's so much more expensive
neat oyster
my 2060 price tripled in 2 years
novel horizon
I remember when I was like 1,5 years back and I said to my self "do i really want to pay about 500β¬ for RTX 2080?"
it got really bad after that, lol
people trying to sell that for like 750β¬ etc
But I saw some other people, actually, opposite of ^^ .. they want to buy it for like 200β¬
neat oyster
ok me bacc to hibernation
novel horizon
Saw some ads like "it's old now anyway, new gen etc... i'll give you 300β¬ because im nice"
left swift
ok me bacc to hibernation
no one cares
vernal moth
Worth noting that both Nvidia and AMD raised prices too
Cause they can
And we will never go back to lower most likely
golden gust
I CAN DREAM, HAROLD
novel horizon
You are a chair, darling
spare venture
i mean i for one will not be buying a gpu for a long time if they are going to be $1000 for a normal GPU
not even close to worth it when you can buy a years old GPU for half that price and can still run everything at high settings on 1080p and some even 1440p
magic river
You can probably get away with that for another year or two, yeah
Once games start being PS5/XSX only though...
Although I guess the XSS helps, if games target that they should still work on a 1060 or so
Maybe a 2060 since they'll depend on having fancy upscaling and some small bits of ray tracing
tropic flame
i mean you also gotta think that games can't target the latest hardware if they actually want a wide audience to play it so you probably won't need that 1000$ GPU
... or maybe they can and I'm just talking bullshit
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
magic river
So long as they're still making PS4/XB1 versions PC will probably just get those
For Madden, FIFA, etc
spare venture
Once games start being PS5/XSX only though...
yeah i have a ps5, so i can just play those games there
still insane you can get a $500 PS5/XSX that is the equivalent of a $1300 PC
magic river
Yeah, 2060 is probably about right. It's a little faster on paper than the Series S but your PC does more than run a game
So if you can get one of those you might be set for the next 5 years, so long as you can accept 1080p (but not really, scaling will be used), lower quality settings, and framedrops
They're all hyping up 4k and/or 60 fps right now but give it some time and they'll be back to making 20-40 fps messes
spare venture
i have a 1660 super and iβll be fine on 1080p for a while with that.
my ps5 will handle 4k 30-60 fps for the next 8 years
magic river
They just have to support the PS4/XB1 too so higher resolution and framerate gives them an easy selling point for new consoles without too much effort
spare venture
i am sad that iβll have to play bethesda and the other microsoft acquisitions on my PC tho
i really like playing RPGs on my couch
spare venture
oo
left swift
my 1080 super still runs everything high settings nicely
spare venture
problem is good ps5 controller support on pc. imagine the dual sense 5 stuff that bethesda couldβve done
sad
magic river
Ah, only for Apple TV boxes, Google TV chromecasts, Android TVs, or Google TVs
No Roku, webOS, or Tizen so that leaves most smart TVs out
spare venture
i will probably just move my pc and plug it into my tv
spare venture
yeah those things are terrifying
golden gust
I've seen scarier
upbeat falconBOT
spare venture
yeah iβm sure every morning the mirror gives you a scare
golden gust
I was gonna say mari, but, that too
magic river
Hospitals used to have whole wings full of them
golden gust
I was watching an vid about those last year or something
apparently the number of people who can actually work on them is like, ~1
and spare parts are ofc like, a nightmare
spare venture
medicine has really come a long way
vernal moth
Well, mostly vaccines
golden gust
there is apparently a newer replacement for it which is less "huge immovable object" type thing
magic river
We had like 2 or 3 bad vaccines for polio before we got it right, apparently
spare venture
well we have better ventilators than an iron lung now haha
see: covid pandemic
but yeah vaccines really did it
golden gust
tube down throat ventilators are completely different from the iron lung
iron lung is something you can have a life with
spare venture
yeah
magic river
Took until 1960 to have one that seemed alright, took until 1994 to wipe out polio in the Americas, 2002 in Europe, 2014 for South-East Asia
spare venture
invasive ventilators generally have less complications and a lower mortality rate
magic river
It's still not wiped out worldwide
cunning raft
@waxen panther
golden gust
they have many complications
waxen panther
@everyone
golden gust
just, given that most of the times the options are you let them suffocate or you jam 'em, I mean, there one correct call
spare venture
Major complications tended to be more frequent in patients treated with IMV than in those treated with ILV (27.3% versus 4.5%)
youβre right
warm anchor
For a second I thought brocco is gonna post how discord is recurring
spare venture
iron lungs really worked pretty well
golden gust
theres a guy who wrote a book from one
spare venture
mortality rate was higher with invasive tube than iron lung too
golden gust
different mode of apperatus
iron lung offers less complications cos you're not shoving a tube down their throat
golden gust
at the same point direct feed of oxygen is gonna be a more reliable way of getting it in there especially given that the big issue is that the muscles just don't work for these people iirc
spare venture
i guess itβs just too expensive to use an iron lung instead
otherwise i canβt see why it would be considered obsolete when itβs better
golden gust
they're big hefty hunks of kit
given that these things are specifically for cases where the muscles are too weak to support breathing on their own, they work
like, you're not gonna live an even remotely normal life with an iron lung, but, it'll keep you ticking
magic river
Not that useful these days though, since you probably don't have polio
golden gust
There are smaller versions of it these days but they're more for specific cases rather than a general thing
ancient bolt
Not that useful these days though, since you probably don't have polio
vaccines are really cool
golden gust
as said, tube jamming is standard procedure all relevant people are taught and the equipment is there, etc
magic river
I mean, there are other problems that it could help with the respiratory illness isn't going to be one of them afaik
golden gust
much easier to shove a tube in than it is to move your body into some machine
true canyon
Not that useful these days though, since you probably don't have polio
Give it another year and some anti vaxxer will break into a facility storing old diseases and release polio to prove it's a hoax.
magic river
spare venture
we can talk about vaccines without going that way π
cunning raft
OK
true canyon
But for real polio vaccine is pretty cool.
cunning raft
no politics here
golden gust
hey, mbax
imma send you something in the mail
make sure to breath in the white powder? kthx β€οΈ
true canyon
Ooh, a package from my relative, aunt thrax!
warm anchor
true canyon
Gonna get that last aghanim any day now
frank otter
is it just me or is discord trying to expand
still sorrel
idk, if the interface has more features it could be really nice
frank otter
I'm not a fan of this new forums thing I think
still sorrel
not sure if you would want to move a forum to discord
frank otter
like I can't think how it'd have purpose in smaller servers (like a few friends)
and then all the big forums are on like reddit or smth
still sorrel
I mean if your server gone then your entire forum also gone
frank otter
yeah
still sorrel
would not trust discord for this
frank otter
also when they tried to make games in VCs
and then subsequently pay walled all the good ones, or are going to iirc
like the games weren't brilliant in and of themselves
glass crag
biggest issue for me is a lack of web presence for a public forum
frank otter
but then they say they're nitro-locking like the singular good one
glass crag
maybe good for private
still sorrel
forums would need to allow posts to have more complex layouts instead of simply markup
frank otter
oh yeah also discord formatting wants some work too
if it wants to be like forum doable
spare venture
this has been a much requested feature for a while
glass crag
it looks more like glorified/permanent threads tbh
frank otter
it does look like they went
"hey if we change the css we can make threads look like this"
still sorrel
but its really scary to depend on discord for saving years of forum activity
if they decide to screw you over
spare venture
itβs going to greatly benefit me. i like forums but also like discords more live chat feel. plus everyone has discord whereas many people donβt want to go to an external website
frank otter
mm I can see that
spare venture
how is discord going to βscrew you over?β
still sorrel
if they for some stupid reason delete your server
I have been in too many big servers that got randomly deleted
spare venture
iβve never heard of that ever happening
frank otter
data loss, server unavailability, they decide this server doesn't TOS very well
still sorrel
in the end discord has the final say and not the owner of the server
spare venture
only ever seen actual tos violations be punished
frank otter
additionally
spare venture
iβm gonna be honest discord isnβt going to delete your 25 person server
frank otter
given how discord is trying to move away fro moderation bots
still sorrel
yeah but a 25 person server probably doesn't need forums
frank otter
how moderatable would a massive forum-using server be
spare venture
iβll let you know
still sorrel
discord bought an AI company that is supposed to help detect online harassment
but yeah the mods would require the users to notify them when something was up since I doubt forums could be properly any other way
used to be in a server where when you'd respond with a stop sign to a post it'd get reported to the server mods
I mean it'd be great if there'd be some form of integration between discord forms and web forms
spare venture
seems to make sense to them. and it has worked fine on guilded for years
magic river
OS is still under review embargo and they can only run Valve-selected games but they can poke at the hardware
...the right joystick has a capacitive button on it
topaz mortar
OS is still under review embargo and they can only run Valve-selected games but ...
I believe not only the right one.
Watched both, happy to get my hands on end of Q2.
viscid wedge
I think I might just cancel my reservation
magic river
lol, dbrand's case for the steam deck is called killswitch
ancient bolt
dbrand 2edgy4me
tropic flame
awesome stuff
thinking "the future of handheld gaming is smartphones" was a mistake
i mean, it wasn't for the company's wallets i guess since they can provide us cheap mediocre experiences ridden with microtransactions
but there's nothing that replaces physical controls and actual gameplay tailored around them
limber knotBOT
I wish they would come out with a steam controller v2 based on the steam deck/index controllers :S
ancient bolt
thinking "the future of handheld gaming is smartphones" was a mistake
anyone who said this hasn't heard of a gameboy in the past 20 years
tropic flame
anyone who said this hasn't heard of a gameboy in the past 20 years
this logic was primarily why Sony left the handheld race after the PS Vita
ancient bolt
maybe that's what they said
but that's not why they left the market
they left because they were losing to nintendo and the 3DS
pretty badly too
vita only sold like 10 to 15million units total, gameboy, gameboy DS, 3DS, etc each has sold over 100 million units, 3DS are probably still being sold to this day, and that's making no mention of the switch
pretty sure the PSP also dramatically outsold the vita as well, so even compared to their own market they were doing pretty poorly
magic river
Vita had a lot of third party support, at least in Japan, but it seemed like Sony wasn't interested other than maybe as a funky controller for the PS3 for a minute
They made it but they didn't care about it
ancient bolt
I wonder how the steam deck will do in the long run. I use my steam link to play RDR2 and Flight Simulator on my living room TV from my PC almost daily, and it works really well. This house isn't yet wired up either so it's streaming over wifi in perfect quality 99% of the time. So I'd say it's a pretty nice product, but after all that, barely anyone remembers the steam link
I wonder if this will have the same fate, good product which for whatever reason doesn't turn out as well as people hoped and eventually just settles into obscurity, or if it will be valve's first successful hardware launch ever
apparently I don't even need the steam link hardware anymore either which is kind of wild, I should look into that
but also the hardware works great so I don't really need to
true canyon
Saw the Linus links, but I'm into seeing what Steve thinks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeQH__XVa64
limber knotBOT
steam link can actually be used to run plesk/kodi on π
but yeah, any android will run the steam link app nowadays
I really wish something like the steam deck existed in the age of lan parties ;_;
ashen cliff
No wifi for you.
limber knotBOT
I mean one could've just docked it π but only having to transport a mouse/keyboard + steam deck and use the second/third/fourth monitor from your friend would've been great
untold meadow
thinking "the future of handheld gaming is smartphones" was a mistake
mobile gaming is the most popular market?? higher market share than consoles and desktop? more revenue than consoles and desktop?
limber knotBOT
"the future of gaming" is obviously decided by gamers that have been gaming for 20 years, not some new noobs that only started when facebook added flash games /s
lilac moon
What's that
warm anchor
Not necessary the best future but itβs the one making the most money
Lootbox @lilac moon sorry for the term
lilac moon
I only play minecraft
warm anchor
A small example for the current most popular game. This is by banner (basically you roll for characters). @lilac moon
warm anchor
Yeah itβs kinda crazy 
lilac moon
Just get a luck potion
ashen cliff
A small example for the current most popular game. This is by banner (basically ...
People legit demanded a buff for Raiden.
And they got them.
warm anchor
Happen to zhongli too
Coz apparently some crazies think itβs a symbol of China so character cannot be weak
They did buff him too and heβs the best shielder in game currently
lilac moon
wait those are in USD for the unit
warm anchor
Yes
And China market only
They rack in billions in total globally
The graph is only for iOS and only for China market
lilac moon
what time period
warm anchor
To-date from release coz itβs sort by character banner
Game originally released on September 2020
So a little over 1 year old
lilac moon
time to make my own game and make billions
magic river
Err, wrong channel
proud lance
shot in the dark, but anyone know of any plugins that work similar to redstone but server side? For example if I wanted to put a random stone block somewhere and have it trigger a a door opening
Basically I want to make a puzzle without having it be visible to cheaters with xray who can see redstone.
south matrix
you could hide the redstone with Player#sendBlockChange i guess
proud lance
I mean doing away with redstone completely is fine too
no need to have a signal traverse parts of the map
I just dont know how to explain it properly or search what I am looking for
magic river
CraftBook is the closest thing I can think of
Wires and transmitters and such is more of a mod thing
proud lance
CraftBook is the closest thing I can think of
Thanks, that might be what I am looking for
or close to it
jade flax
ah yes, thank you kotlin
lilac moon
you better change that to a Key<T>
lilac moon
i think i had that happen once before in intellij with java, i think it was due to the linting being a bit behind what i had typed
because other times i could just wait a few seconds and it went away
jade flax
Oh no, this time it was just intellij being dumb at random. The code has already compiled and even published to maven
magic river
TIL Hobby Lobby doesn't use barcodes and modern inventory management systems, they have old school cash registers and prices on stickers the cashier has to punch in one by one
proud lance
TIL Hobby Lobby doesn't use barcodes and modern inventory management systems, th...
I hope they can accept bitcoin
jade flax
that is brutal
magic river
Average is $1.95
It was higher but then I think the price of bitcoin dropped a little today?
lilac moon
oh wow i thought it was like $20
magic river
Hmm, no, guess there just wasn't as much going on
lilac moon
i know eth is about $7
proud lance
I never could get into it because I couldn't figure out transaction fees
novel horizon
O_o
magic river
It was that high when people were flooding the network
Well, it was that high if you didn't want to wait a day
proud lance
I was in my wallet and its like recommended transaction fee $20 and I was like how about I counter with $0.01
such a weird thing
magic river
If someone is willing to burn enough money they can make transaction fees stay high for a long time
Transactions are basically an auction
proud lance
it feels like american medical bills
dunno what you are gonna end up paying
but also like I dont understand why a transaction takes 8 hours or 1 hour how cost is affected
and also if the merchant accepts it
shits way too complicated, dont care for it
lilac moon
the fee is used as an incentive for miners to mine your transaction with higher priority than others
magic river
The higher your transaction fee the more likely miners are to include your transaction in their next block
If you get in the next block it'll only take like 30 minutes to get enough blocks to be sure nothing is going to happen to it (although realistically 10 minutes is probably enough)
iirc blocks are ~10 minutes each anyway
That's why I said it's an auction
proud lance
yeah but how do you even know if its going in the next block or not, its just guessing
if your fee value is too low or not
there should be some min or max
magic river
It is indeed just guessing
proud lance
anything below the min definitely not accepted
magic river
Even if you set your fee higher than everything currently in the pool someone else could come and flood a ton of transactions with even higher fees before a miner picks yours up
Wow Valve gave GN their computational fluid dynamics simulation for airflow in the Steam Deck
The fan doesn't have direct access to an air intake, it's just sucking air inside the case which means it's a negative pressure environment and air rushes in from every crack and hole in the case
So then they put an air intake in the bottom corner so air flows over most of the components on the way to the fan
trim steeple
TIL Hobby Lobby doesn't use barcodes and modern inventory management systems, th...
hobby lobby is known for being "old fashioned" in more ways than one
rich elbow
like $1000000000
lol
rich elbow
well
been using that for years now... no issues so dunno, I guess... in-app ads are kinda unprofessional
ads = "news" and stuff
warm anchor
I write down my crypto on a piece of paper.
vernal moth
imagine touching crypto
south matrix
i eat my money
vernal moth
yeah I don't touch USD
warm anchor
I touch USD everyday (American)
vernal moth
welcome to inflation, a feature of btc
vernal moth
well btc is capped but until then it still has inflation
rich elbow
I guess
vernal moth
btcs feature is that they try to limit that inflation by burning the planet alive
so thats cool
rich elbow
you mean like... electricity being used?
vernal moth
*wasted
rich elbow
well yea I guess that's not ideal, but nothing every is
vernal moth
not ideal
literally destroying all progress we have made on trying to stop the climate catastrophe
rich elbow
that's a valid point, who is at fault here tho? considering the fact that if there were less "miners" there would be less competition, less power required for mining, etc
vernal moth
btc is at fault for using such a stupid system
and dont bring up proof of stake, that is still wasting resources
all these things don't need to exist, they only solve problems for scammers and other criminals
rich elbow
no I wasn't even thinking about that... I was thinking about what would be the alternative lol
vernal moth
I don't even wanna know much much money we loose on tax evasion alone
the alternative is what we have been doing for centuries, using real money, lol
works great
rich elbow
do you think about how much tax money we waste? maybe you're lucky and you live in country where corruption is low but... not the case for me and it's just sad sometimes, wouldn't say btc is good alternative but it is alternative
rich elbow
the issue is different if u ask me... who is controlling "real money" and what are their interests
vernal moth
do you think about how much tax money we waste? maybe you're lucky and you live ...
ah yes so instead of giving the money to your society you give it to criminals, great plan, lmao
rich elbow
with other words... what is forcing the systems and countries controlling "real money" to become more efficient and less wasteful?
if there is such force
golden gust
the value of debt
over-simplistic, but that's the worth of currency these days is debt
vernal moth
if there is such force
society is and its working?
oh you mean wasting money
same applies pretty much
rich elbow
maybe, good point
warm anchor
I cannot take anything crypto seriously if you read more into USDT and how exchanges are basically using it to create imaginary money to pay out for staking rewards. Aside from the usual scam, energy waste argument. The argument of "real rich" in the flat currency also co-exist and if not worse in crpyto as whales are basically the sole controller of the price.
but its ok shill your crpyto 
floral mesa
I cannot take anything crypto seriously if you read more into USDT and how excha...
Nevermind most transactions to maintain Bitcoin are in another crypto, like tether, not actual USD
rich elbow
no I totally agree about USDT... it's a problem
warm anchor
@floral mesa why need a money printer if you can just add a few zero to your reserve 
rich elbow
and it can blow up... probably will
somber fog
Spottedleaf on my desktop
golden gust
thing is that it's ultra volatile as the value is based on the top end of traders
warm anchor
Spottedleaf on my desktop
@static badge thoughts?
golden gust
you go through periods of the price rising up for long periods and then suddenly it'll crash as people tear it apart
floral mesa
There just isn't enough USD to backup Bitcoin on its own, even though it's being treated like stock.
warm anchor
There just isn't enough USD to backup Bitcoin on its own, even though it's being...
yeah anyone with half a braincell will see this lol but w/e
floral mesa
Overall it's just an expensive ponzi scheme
warm anchor
what makes it worse is that stacking reward is usually paid out in yet another random crpyto so it basically mask the issue of USDT but nothing is really backed @floral mesa even those dont go under the name of USDT
vernal moth
with nice side effects such as money laundering, scams, waste of resources for hardware and environmental destruction
floral mesa
Doesn't help when people are gushing over nft. A scheme on top of a scheme.
rich elbow
but even if... and all those are valid issues, probably more then just issues... why are all governments jumping on this?
warm anchor
Doesn't help when people are gushing over nft. A scheme on top of a scheme.
you dont want my ugly monkey for 120k??
rich elbow
and IMO NFTs are it's own story... kinda like ethereum ICOs that blew up and then died 2, 3 years ago
vernal moth
but even if... and all those are valid issues, probably more then just issues......
which goverment is? lmao
spare venture
didnβt you know nfts always go up /s
rich elbow
lol
vernal moth
is there is a single legitimate government backing crypto bullshit?
rich elbow
didnβt you know nfts always go up /s
just one question, where is the value?
magic river
afaik it's mostly only governments looking to dodge sanctions or dodge fees on remittances
vernal moth
crypto, not politics
spare venture
the value is the electricity wasted
rich elbow
is there is a single legitimate government backing crypto bullshit?
not yet... but they're at least wasting time on it?
or they would simply ignore it
or prohibit?
meager tusk
I see government and sanctions mentioned
spare venture
the amount of carbon dioxide put into the atmosphere
golden gust
well, banks are adopting it, governments are looking towards regulating it
vernal moth
not yet... but they're at least wasting time on it?
they need to investigate to find a way to stop the scams, money laundering and stolen taxes lmao
magic river
Like, Venezuela is trying to use their Petro cryptocurrency to dodge sanctions and sell more oil
And El Salvador seems part meme and part looking for a way for US workers to send money to their families back home with less cost
vernal moth
the dictator of el salvador is such a meme
golden gust
All I'm saying is
is that if a nuke was fired tomorrow and everybody reacted and carpet bombed the entire world tomorrow
would it really be that bad of a thing?
magic river
US spends a lot of time on crypto, so it can try to protect retail investors, enforce its laws and regulations, and collect taxes
warm anchor
would it really be that bad of a thing?
the answer largely depend on if you are giver or taker tbh
vernal moth
so the people on top win? lol
meager tusk
so the people on top win? lol
yea this is it
warm anchor
if it's all one big ponzi... why?
β idiot with money
crypto happens
β idiot with no money
golden gust
the rich stay rich, us plebs stay as plebs
meager tusk
β
idiot with money
> crypto happens
β idiot with no money
I want this to happen to me
spare venture
halfway ther
meager tusk
Exactly
vernal moth
thats why crypto bros work so hard to convince everyone, they need people to continue to join so their "investment" doesn't loose "value"
meager tusk
I'm an idiot, just need money
magic river
It's not quite a ponzi scheme, there is a reason people reference tulip mania or beanie babies
warm anchor
The histroy's greatest worth transfer is currently in process. The babyboomers are dying left and right and the younger generation is literally being scammed out of their inheritance
meager tusk
what are beanie babies
rich elbow
lol
meager tusk
The histroy's greatest worth transfer is currently in process. The babyboomers a...
Boomers are bad, but the younger generation isn't all that smart either.
golden gust
there is ponzi schemes operating in the midsts but there is also legit stuff, even if the legit stuff fuels unlegit stuff