general

[neat oyster]

poki<poke

[rare tiger]

pokimane more like poopymane XDDDD 💯 🔥 💩 💥

🤯

[neat oyster]

wait i did illegal

[neat oyster]

#gifs-and-memes message

yes now it is legal

[left swift]

anyways

shut up eternity

[rare tiger]

wholesome 100

[rare python]

Having to use AnvilGUI 1.5.2 because 1.5.3 is borked on the repository :/

[rare tiger]

cause god forbid you have to implement it yourself

[rare python]

Inherited stupidity.

It's on my list of dependencies to scrap when I get around to it.

[mossy vessel]

Looks like someone delete all builds previous to 4

[vernal moth]

anvil gui is terrible UX anyways, lol

[mossy vessel]

And didn't update the meta index, sooo your build tool can't know about the change

[void void]

@spare venture world guard doesn’t have that feature

[plucky sparrow]

I agree

[rare tiger]

sockcucker

[rare python]

I have a handful of dependencies I need to get rid of at some point.

com.googlecode.cqengine:cqengine:3.6.0
net.wesjd:anvilgui:1.5.2-SNAPSHOT
com.github.jkcclemens:khttp:0.1.0
redis.clients:jedis:3.7.1
com.daveanthonythomas.moshipack:moshipack:1.0.1
com.github.stefvanschie.inventoryframework:IF:0.10.3
net.citizensnpcs:citizens:2.0.27-SNAPSHOT

The usage of some of them are remarkably dumb

Redis is only used for cross server chats...

[rare tiger]

not the cq cumber!

stay tuned for my cross-server chat plugin that definitely doesnt already exist

[mossy vessel]

What a cute list

[rare python]

Well I am replacing it with a custom proxy plugin to handle it.

[rare tiger]

"custom proxy"

just open a new port

[rare python]

No, using velocity to catch chat messages and redistribute them as needed.

[mossy vessel]

Though that may be the repositories fault at this time being

[rare tiger]

o smart

[rare python]

There are other reasons I am doing it on the proxy

Mostly because the kind of functionality I want does not exist, at least not that I can find, and not in one plugin.

• Cross server chat which is synced to discord.
• Players able to make custom chat channels, which if the user chooses can be synced to discord
• Punishments which are synced to discord.

DiscordSRV only syncs bans and does a bad job at doing it

And EssentialsX-Chat does not do it at all.

[rare tiger]

that probably doesnt already exist lol

i mean I could make it but 👀 with what time

[rare python]

That and I wanna scrap essentials from being on my server at some point.

[rare tiger]

essentials is kinda archaic but it's utility functions are much appreciated and ingrained into my headspace

[rare python]

I don't need like 90% of its features, and what little I do need I can implement very easily...

[rare python]

I just realised that this has the added disadvantage that people are able to spam "LAG" in chat when the server is crashing without the messages being slowed down.

Oh dear.

[vernal moth]

https://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2022/01/intellij-idea-2022-1-eap-1/

New stuff hype

[magic river]

What I'm hearing is leave toolbox alone for a month

[plucky sparrow]

All I want is Fleet 😔

[left swift]

the twitter thing?

[neat oyster]

remember this guy

he is him now feell old yet

[plucky sparrow]

JetBrains’ alternative to VSCode

[magic river]

That seems to be what it morphed in to

It started life as "IDEA in the browser", more or less

So they had to split the heavy lifting from the renderer so it could live on the server and the renderer had to be rewritten to work in the browser

[rare python]

IntelliJ IDEA best IDE

[quasi valley]

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/OtSE-nHPxJ3Rls0zstUcyn5Xt_Z0c0n-K22SYaefyaZ3tuSgwNcadNPve_y6PgYPR4bC-xfqrcXwbPeYKsIQHKQ4vG0BISm4bpONop8O8crUBe6QRIjJBLl9wD6Dmda50hJpgs6z

now that's hot

[mossy vessel]

Oh, they are porting asciidoc features

[rare tiger]

i will totally use the goal features lol

[mossy vessel]

Is that the only thing they ported?

[vernal moth]

Yeah super helpful

I wonder how it detects it

[mossy vessel]

Wish they would have ported some of the other features as well

[magic river]

I think they show how it detects it right there in that screenshot

If it's got the bash language annotation it'll offer to run as a script otherwise it'll look in the backticks for gradle, gradlew, or mvn

[vernal moth]

So prolly the same thing as in what is highlighted in the terminal right now

[rare tiger]

phpstorm has SQL syntax highlighting inside of strings

kinda similar

just very neat, very cute

very bloat but likeable bloat

[waxen panther]

how is sql syntax highlighting bloat lmao

[untold meadow]

every feature beyond notepad is bloat

[waxen panther]

every feature that i dont use is bloat 😠

[untold meadow]

TRUE

[left swift]

broc is bloat

[little frost]

paper general is bloat

[left swift]

how dare you

#archivegeneral movement

[little frost]

@void void @untold meadow xx

[untold meadow]

most based take of all time

[waxen panther]

so true

this channel is bloat

[void void]

hey xx

[rare tiger]

even operating systems are bloat :/

all i need is vim and sheer fucking will

[untold meadow]

xxxxxxxxxxx

[rare tiger]

if it were a good day i'd be fishing

[little frost]

oooooooooo

[left swift]

too bad anyday with you is terrible

[void void]

💀

[rare tiger]

circumstantial evidence

[left swift]

recency bias

[rare tiger]

mmmmm strawman uhhhh logical fallacy uhhhh ad hominem

[left swift]

objection

@waxen panther is fake

[waxen panther]

ok

[rare tiger]

you know that they're fake cause they havent responded yet

[left swift]

who

[rare tiger]

? idk

[left swift]

asked

[rare tiger]

u

https://tenor.com/view/ez-noob-skill-issue-simply-a-difference-in-skill-gif-20780203

[little frost]

beginning to support that claim even more

[left swift]

anyways

[rare tiger]

i AM the bloatware

hello, i'm bonzi

let's get started

[left swift]

@plucky sparrow OOMG BEEST DAPP OMG

[plucky sparrow]

@left swift OMGGG BEST NOMANA 🧱 BEST POKIMANE SUB OMG

[rare tiger]

Name: _____
DOB: __/__
SSN: ___-__-____

[untold meadow]

kill irc bridge, then kill general

[void void]

can we just skip the first step

go straight to deleting general

[neat oyster]

We can skip the second

pls

[waxen panther]

ban noah, kill irc bridge, delete general

[rare tiger]

discord is bloat, can we move to BBS instead

[waxen panther]

in order of priority

[neat oyster]

minecraft is bloat

[rare tiger]

actually you know what, lets just exchange numbers

[void void]

ly too broc

[neat oyster]

69420

call me now

[waxen panther]

(clarifying for onlookers that i do not love noah)

[void void]

Ok what about me

[rare tiger]

68.223.41.105

[waxen panther]

of course

i love everyone

(except noah)

[neat oyster]

omw

[void void]

why do you hate me broc 😔

where did it all go wrong

[waxen panther]

you steal everything

weeb nuke, rat gif

etc etc

[plucky sparrow]

(including noah)

[waxen panther]

even Z's sacred christmas hats

[rare tiger]

i boil dogs alive

[plucky sparrow]

Well that's rather interesting

[waxen panther]

semi-based

[rare tiger]

based? based on what

[neat oyster]

hipity hopity now this is my property

[rare tiger]

i will file DMCA

[waxen panther]

[rare tiger]

copyright holder: my village

[neat oyster]

[grave yarrow]

i can agree with this

BBS

[void void]

just create a gigantic thread on the new forums

[grave yarrow]

ew no

bloated

[rare tiger]

selling metallica cds in paper general

[plucky sparrow]

Just return to Skype

[rare tiger]

i think that all of this internet stuff is too high technical, lets just exchange addresses

[plucky sparrow]

or even better, Teams

[grave yarrow]

even better, irc

[plucky sparrow]

Oh right we should just mail letters

[grave yarrow]

on funny thing

[rare tiger]

follow my ifunny page for paper discussion

[grave yarrow]

lol

[rare tiger]

your banner is nice

also fellow arch user located

[grave yarrow]

hello good sir

[rare tiger]

web developer, low level dev

contradictory statements

[left swift]

can we ban wasabi

as a community

[grave yarrow]

how so 🤨

[plucky sparrow]

agree

[grave yarrow]

it was presented in a list was it not?

[neat oyster]

deep meaning

has some things

only few people can understand

[rare tiger]

my dad works for discord

[rare tiger]

silly gag of mine

[grave yarrow]

very funny

🤨

i put web developer because i do a bit of the funny front end

i dislike it

but it's there

[rare tiger]

i was just pretenting to be brain damaged

[grave yarrow]

ah

🧐

i understand

[rare tiger]

my opinions depend on who i'm trolling

even my political views and ethnicity

[rare tiger]

<h10 style="font-family: cursive">i'd advertise my html/css prowess too if given the chance </h10>

[grave yarrow]

but of course

[worn crest]

h10 😬

[golden gust]

Install gentoo

[grave yarrow]

damn

gentoo?

[golden gust]

hail lord emperor trump

Wasabi = best waifu

[pastel reef]

Just in general, how and why does this happen?

[rare tiger]

arch and gentoo are such dweeb ass operating systems, however I shower at least once a year therefore

[golden gust]

hahahaaa

that looks like we won

[grave yarrow]

deranged gang

[rare tiger]

mentally disabled ganggggg

fatherless crew

[rare tiger]

thats a lot of dogecoin

[grave yarrow]

it really is 🧐

[rare tiger]

why is your neofetch so slender

[rare python]

?

[rare tiger]

idk mine is chunkier

[rare python]

font probably.

[grave yarrow]

i don't have my second monitor hooked up atm

[rare tiger]

this is a temporary setup dont murder me

[south matrix]

mmm cmatrix

[grave yarrow]

cmatrix looks really weird on my terminal

[rare tiger]

cmatrix makes you look 500x cooler within 2 seconds

[native wolf]

where's my Debian gang at?

[grave yarrow]

they don't exist

and shouldn't exist

[rare tiger]

yeah cause you have some weird ass memory eater vista-style kde terminal

[grave yarrow]

kde

i have no DE

[rare tiger]

so what do you us-

👀

[grave yarrow]

just dwm

with st

[rare tiger]

do you like

game on it?

[waxen panther]

dwm 😷

[waxen panther]

average wanna be professional linux user

[grave yarrow]

or, just someone who likes how it looks and works

[lavish compass]

nerd spotted

[waxen panther]

oh my god its cubxity

[lavish compass]

broc?!?

[waxen panther]

finally a smart person has entered paper general

what a time to be alive

[grave yarrow]

🤨

hm ok

what's the problem with me? 🥺

[waxen panther]

w*b developer 😷

arch in bio 😷

[grave yarrow]

i hate web dev

but it's there to pad my bio

[lavish compass]

I'm sorry...?

[grave yarrow]

i make fun of it as you have to be deranged to use it

but i do use arch btw

[lavish compass]

there it is

the arch btw

[grave yarrow]

i find it funny personally

mildly amusing if you will

[waxen panther]

not you xxoxoxo

[grave yarrow]

i use arch not for the elitism, but because i like how it works

[waxen panther]

i use arch too but i'd never put it in my discord bio 💀

[grave yarrow]

i use dwm not to be a "wannabe" but because i like how it feels and works

[waxen panther]

right right

[grave yarrow]

i put it there as a joke

[golden gust]

yea, sure

[waxen panther]

classsic

[grave yarrow]

🤨

wow, no one can read more than one thing before forgetting the other

evidently

otherwise you'd pick up on the signs that it's a joke

what a shame

[grave yarrow]

cope seethe mald

😔

[golden gust]

pepe

broc = alt right

mfw

[lavish compass]

[twin lagoon]

based

[waxen panther]

based

[twin lagoon]

best cubxity .

[grave yarrow]

the one thing i find mildly annoying about dwm though is that i have to restart it to apply a change

i like how i can change everything easily without waiting ages for it to compile

or take too much space up on my ssd

[golden gust]

I mean

[waxen panther]

me when my wm takes up 50mb of my 2tb ssd

[golden gust]

you gotta love finding where people draw the line

[grave yarrow]

i also prefer keyboard shortcuts over clicking things, makes it a lot faster for me

[spare venture]

what

[grave yarrow]

ikr am so angry grr

[golden gust]

creating your own DWM 👍
Making said DWM read a file 🔥

[grave yarrow]

lol

[spare venture]

i didn’t even mention worldguard

[grave yarrow]

unfortunately true

[waxen panther]

imagine using your mouse 😷

[grave yarrow]

ikr

got to hate that

i sometimes use my mouse to traverse dwm

[magic river]

I tried to use ratpoison for like a month way back when

[grave yarrow]

like actually moving around windows between screens

but otherwise i find it faster to just use keyboard shortcuts

dwm makes no difference to my ram usage

compared to xfce4

[waxen panther]

ok

[magic river]

I more or less just use stock Ubuntu desktop these days 😛

[waxen panther]

how many hours a day do you watch mental outlaw

[magic river]

I changed the theme though

[pastel reef]

Why dogecoin???

[grave yarrow]

all of them

[pastel reef]

I literally don't earn any money on that laptop

[lavish compass]

[waxen panther]

unsurprising

[grave yarrow]

in all seriousness though, i only watch it when it comes out

and most of the time it doesn't interest me

[lavish compass]

inb4 you realize he uses gentoo on a vm in mint

[grave yarrow]

😔

tragic

[lavish compass]

next distro I'll try would probably be fedora

my arch install is quite a mess atm

[grave yarrow]

fedora is pretty cool i've heard

[magic river]

If I ever switch it'll be to Fedora Silverblue

[lavish compass]

linus uses fedora too

[grave yarrow]

indeed he does

[golden gust]

I was playing with nixOS a few weeks ago in a VM

It's interesting to say the least

[grave yarrow]

nixos is quite interesting

yeah

[magic river]

Silverblue is an immutable base system and you install things via flatpak

[lavish compass]

heard that was very cool as well, would check it out when i have time

[twin lagoon]

stick to arch

you'll miss AUR quickly

[golden gust]

But, god I think I'd KMS if I was using it 24/7 as my main desktop

[magic river]

And do development and such inside "toolbox containers"

[pastel reef]

How do I fix this?

[golden gust]

I mean

[waxen panther]

break harddrive open

[grave yarrow]

i don't think it was ever intended for use as a daily driver

[twin lagoon]

i very much like fedora, but then i end up missing AUR

[lavish compass]

I fail to manage the way I do dotfiles currently

[golden gust]

1. This is literally an english discord

2. Provide the recovery key?

[waxen panther]

i liked void more aside the packages too 😔

[lavish compass]

that is something I have in mind too, perhaps I'll try it on one of my machines and see

[golden gust]

if using a TPM, probs wanna check that, make sure that the battery onthe board is correct, etc, etc

[grave yarrow]

i really like the AUR, i'm dependant on it

[magic river]

Nix seems like it's almost the perfect thing to replace docker

Or at least dockerfiles

[golden gust]

Kinda

[lavish compass]

although I really love the concept of declarative immutable system

[magic river]

But it's such a PITA to work with

[golden gust]

But it's missing so much in a sense to be there

[lavish compass]

it's like a docker image but for your os

[grave yarrow]

i still find myself downloading packages from their direct sources though

qubesos

[pastel reef]

It just suddenly happened one day after I had successfully set up a Windows 11 to Ubuntu 20 dualboot.

[golden gust]

Qube wouldn't even run in a VM properly for me, which, semi makes sense

[lavish compass]

qubes sounds nice, though idk how bad the overhead is

[magic river]

Nix is more composable than Dockerfiles although that's usually not a real problem

[grave yarrow]

i think it wasn't too bad actually

[untold meadow]

the worst thing about ubuntu is arch users like brocc

[grave yarrow]

but i'm more than likely wrong

[tropic flame]

Debian gang 😎

[magic river]

It's also easier to ensure you get the exact same container every time with Nix which might be very important to you

[lavish compass]

debian on server gang

[grave yarrow]

i don't stay up to date with how all the new "secure" linux distros are

[waxen panther]

I HELPED YOU SO MUCH THE OTHER DAY AND THIS IS WHAT I GET

i hate kezz

[grave yarrow]

i much prefer to actually save anything

[twin lagoon]

TRUE

[grave yarrow]

don't we all do that?

i run ubuntu on my vps

because arch is stinky to run a server

[lavish compass]

ew ubuntu server

[waxen panther]

ubuntu yucky

[untold meadow]

ily thank you for the help you're the best my terminal is now two milliseconds faster

[magic river]

Although the first thing any of my containers do is apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -y && apt-cache clean so I'm clearly not looking for a fixed system 😛

[grave yarrow]

yes

[waxen panther]

two million times faster *

we'll fix your prompt next

[grave yarrow]

but i didn't want to spend time on anything

so

[golden gust]

oh god

sudo apt install ca-certificates-java && sudo update-ca-certificates -f

[lavish compass]

I would love to transition to a immutable system for my server oses but it doesn't seem that user friendly yet

[untold meadow]

well, it still lags completing kubectx stuff

[golden gust]

is still ingrained into my memory

[waxen panther]

i blame your prompt

we'll fix it tomorrow at morning meeting

[grave yarrow]

to be honest, my vps offers a one click setup

[untold meadow]

my prompt is sexy as fuck

[magic river]

rpm-ostree seems pretty user friendly

[grave yarrow]

to just clone the image into a kvm machine

[golden gust]

at some poiint ubuntu/debian was fucking up packaging the ca certificate shit for java, and that was the magical fix for it

[grave yarrow]

because it does that for some reason

[untold meadow]

but sure, we can fix that

[lavish compass]

I stole my prompt from michael 👍

[golden gust]

-f being important on the end cos the store itself was more fucked than broc's hopes and dreams

[magic river]

If you do just use RPM to install a new thing to the base system it basically does the same thing docker does, adds a new layer

[waxen panther]

i have no hopes or dreams

[untold meadow]

@twin lagoon show prompt

[golden gust]

show bo... nvm

[magic river]

Why isn't your prompt starship?

[lavish compass]

wouldn't that hilariously bloat the layers?

[waxen panther]

i've been meaning to try starship

[upbeat falcon]

Starship: Cross-Shell Prompt

https://starship.rs/

Starship is the minimal, blazing fast, and extremely customizable prompt for any shell! Shows the information you need, while staying sleek and minimal.

Requested by Amaranth - About 6,440,000 results (0.30 seconds)

[grave yarrow]

the superior os

[twin lagoon]

hot ???

[lavish compass]

unless you merge them

[untold meadow]

that's like the same as mine?!?

[magic river]

You're supposed to avoid doing it too much

[grave yarrow]

arch- on wsl-

[untold meadow]

but with asterisk instead of tilde?????

[golden gust]

I mean, I'd imagine that's part of the beauty of the setup

[magic river]

And I think there is a way to fold everything back in to a base layer once you're sure it's good

[golden gust]

if you're installing shit into the root system you're generally fucking up

at least to my understanding

[grave yarrow]

eh

i guess

[lavish compass]

is silverblue maintained well though

[waxen panther]

@lavish compass send prompt

[rare python]

WSL? Shame on you.

[magic river]

https://coreos.github.io/rpm-ostree/

[lavish compass]

on my phone rn

[grave yarrow]

light mode, opinion disregarded

[golden gust]

traditional linux ways says that that's wrong, but, part of the goal is that you have a system which is just a layered bundle of love towards producing a composable OS

or something

[waxen panther]

simply be not on your phone

[golden gust]

idk, big words

[waxen panther]

among us, or something, i believe cat

[grave yarrow]

who cares about traditional linux

as long as it does what it needs to do well

it works

[untold meadow]

don't care, can't see with dark mode so idgaf

[grave yarrow]

nice

[golden gust]

||you lil' stupid ass hoe i ain't fuckin' wit'chu||

[grave yarrow]

that's because you're blind from light mode

[untold meadow]

no, it's because i have focusing issues

[grave yarrow]

light mode

isn't helping

[lavish compass]

[untold meadow]

are you an optometrist raid

[grave yarrow]

yes

i am

🤨

[untold meadow]

funny

[grave yarrow]

do you have a problem with my imaginary job?

[golden gust]

yes

[grave yarrow]

damn ok

sorry about that

[golden gust]

||and we believe that you should cliff yeet||

[void void]

Do you use light mode for discord/intellij aswell?

[grave yarrow]

ok

sure

in minecraft

[untold meadow]

for ij yes, discord's light mode is terrible contrast and really badly designed so i dont use it

[grave yarrow]

good

a smart light mode user

very well done

the funny doom

opinions on doom?

i like doom, because it's the only real game that actually runs on my hobby os

[tropic flame]

Doom is nice with LZDoom/GZDoom

[waxen panther]

cubxity is based

minimalist

[lavish compass]

of course

[grave yarrow]

i use doomgeneric

basically just normal doom

but you can program various things that would be necessary to port it to another system

like sleeping, initialising, drawing a frame, getting keyboard input and changing a window title if you need to do so

[plucky sparrow]

best

why's the apple

squished?

[golden gust]

the fuck

[void void]

dap name leak

[golden gust]

12.2 is out now

[plucky sparrow]

oh is it?

[plucky sparrow]

oh it really is

[golden gust]

ah

[plucky sparrow]

I don't check for updates at all

[golden gust]

came out yesterday

same

[void void]

am still on 11.4 lol

[golden gust]

I had issues with the auto update shit fucking me over

[grave yarrow]

not an m1, very good

[plucky sparrow]

It's such a pain to fucking update

because macOS

takes

ages to update

literally ages it's depressing

[golden gust]

I'd come to my desk in the morning and the thing woulda tried to install an update but it got stuck tryna shutdown

Yea

I mean

these days they just drop full fucking updates more or less

as they have their pretty system image partition

[plucky sparrow]

omg it's actually going fast

that's so weird

[golden gust]

downloadis fast

how long it takes to apply varies af

[plucky sparrow]

We shall see

[lavish compass]

imagine linux on m1

[golden gust]

I've hod 4GB updates apply within a shitter run

[plucky sparrow]

All I want is Universal Control

[golden gust]

I've had 200mb patches take a shitter and a brew

[plucky sparrow]

what did they even add in 12.2

[grave yarrow]

can you at least use it during the update process?

[golden gust]

""yes""

[plucky sparrow]

during download yes

[golden gust]

I think that they kinda screwed up my yes with their changes

[lavish compass]

https://twitter.com/josephfcox/status/1486712910189449225

Joseph Cox (@josephfcox)

New: this NFT will steal your IP address.

Viewing this and some other NFTs on marketplace OpenSea will send your IP to the NFT creator, because OpenSea lets people load custom code, including HTML. NFTs can gather data on viewers. Confirmed with my own IP https://t.co/fuwhx5cHbV

Retweets

675

Likes

1763

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[golden gust]

at least back in the day I used to be able to install updates from the terminal and then the reboot install portion would be fastaf as most of it woulda been done already

[lavish compass]

lmfao

[plucky sparrow]

watch this update fuck my opencore

[golden gust]

hackintosh?

[plucky sparrow]

yea

[golden gust]

do not miss those days

[void void]

Ello can anyone give me a hand what does this mean?

[plucky sparrow]

it's not that bad

[golden gust]

it means what it says

it disables the move event for hoppers

[plucky sparrow]

like I haven't run into a single issue with opencore

yet

[void void]

Like let's say i have a minecart with hopper will it work or do i have to enable it?

[golden gust]

opencore itself was fine

Don't mention

[lavish compass]

disabling it is fine unless you have a plugin that logs hopper events

[golden gust]

The keyword here is event

[void void]

O

[golden gust]

it doesn't disable hoppers, it disables the event

[plucky sparrow]

only issue is that macOS is kind of a ram hog

[golden gust]

Yea, but

what fucking isn't these days

[lavish compass]

mind asking why you are against mentions?

[void void]

Isn't this supposed to work tho?

[plucky sparrow]

so I gotta get myself some more ram

[golden gust]

I have sight issues

mention highlight BS makes it harder to read

[plucky sparrow]

ah

[lavish compass]

fair

[plucky sparrow]

but like

macOS is heaven

it feels so nice to use

so polished

can't say so for Windows or any other linux distro

[void void]

macos 😍

[golden gust]

God

Microsofts attempts to bring windows forwards is comical

Now we have another UI layer of shit

of which is not compatible with some of the basic shit stuff has done on the OS for years

e.g. custom context menu options

and so, what do we get? an option to jump from the new right click UI to the old one!

wooo! go MS!

[plucky sparrow]

Yeah I really just avoid windows as much as possible atm

It's not a fun experience

[lavish compass]

System settings ui made with html css and js 🥰

[plucky sparrow]

LOL

task bar is now a web app 🥰

[golden gust]

Like, at least for me

I semi get the web app craze

idk anybody who's really dealt with UI shit outside of winforms and website stuff

but, god does it suck donkey dick that LITERALLY EVERYTHING IS FUCKING CHROME

[plucky sparrow]

thing is, you still can't drag and drop through the task bar, and that is a really MAJOR flaw

[rare python]

Having all UI done though the same language? Yes.
Using HTML, CSS, and JavaScript in Chrome? No.

[wide chasm]

I mean, regular UI stuff is annoying, but to call HTML+CSS amazing is a stretch

It makes sense if you have a website and app that do the same thing, then you only need one codebase.

[golden gust]

for all its flaws it's universal

[wide chasm]

But I don't think Windows is going to make their task bar a website any time soon.

[golden gust]

until somebody comes up with a more universal system

[lavish compass]

google tries to, but it's not feature complete

[little frost]

react js GUI

[wide chasm]

It's universal for web developers. Well, nowadays also for application developers I suppose because everything is Chrome, but it used to be only for web.

[golden gust]

which just shits out html on the other end?

[lavish compass]

im talking about flutter if you're referring to me

[golden gust]

rymiel

[little frost]

yeah im just referring to what mojang is up to now

[lavish compass]

[rare python]

HTML

Hate This Messy Language

high quality joke yes

[lavish compass]

https://github.com/Mojang/ore-ui

this is some moment

[rare python]

No.

No.

No.

No.

[void void]

the future is now

[golden gust]

Okay

but

[lavish compass]

It's cool but at the same time not

[golden gust]

imagine if we ever got something similar in java edition

[wide chasm]

wtf is this

[lavish compass]

Something like compose would be better

[golden gust]

and we could do stuff like using plugins to show stuff

[lavish compass]

that would be so fucking sick

until someone XSS all players

[rare python]

Suddenly this is a great idea.

[little frost]

i mean yeah what bedrock already has would be a dream

[lavish compass]

Minecraft GUI RCE

😋

[wide chasm]

Yeah, getting what Bedrock has is nice, but that doesn't require... this

Or rather, shouldn't have to.

[golden gust]

by understanding is that what's in bedrock right now while looks pretty on the backend is a mess

thus, this

[plucky sparrow]

Id love that

All the possibilities

[ashen cliff]

They should just give us the ability to run commands on the users computer without user interaction. /s

[golden gust]

Well

[wide chasm]

Yes, let's throw our messy backend out and replace it by Typescript

[golden gust]

they took that feature out

[void void]

just downgrade log4j ^^^

solves the problem

gives us full creative control

[lavish compass]

ah yes, let's include v8 in everyone's client

inb4 they make their own javascript engine

[wide chasm]

That'd be hilarious

We'd have security issues for years to come

[void void]

MojHorn™️

[lavish compass]

Moj4Shell

[rare python]

amazing idea! Just start kicking players "You must be vulnerable to log4shell to play on this server."

[lavish compass]

Make every player a worker to mine eth

[rare python]

That was a joke if you could not tell...

[wide chasm]

New Prison server, to go from rank A to B, your computer must have mined 1 bitcoin

[lavish compass]

let's just

[ashen cliff]

So, limit the users to 1.8.8 to use the resource pack exploit and other versions to outdated Log4J.

[wide chasm]

TIL there's a resource pack exploit

[lavish compass]

there is one

[ashen cliff]

Well, it's not really an exploit.

[lavish compass]

not very severe though

it allows you to probe if a file exists

[crimson haven]

in 20 years windows is a electron app running on chrome os

[void void]

in 1.8, you can see if 🥷

[rare python]

I did have an idea a while back to basically set up a plugin that attempts to log4shell you when you log in with code to make your game client instantly exist and open up a warning dialog box.

[wide chasm]

Oh, well, that's not too spectacular then

[golden gust]

u 2

[vernal moth]

mojang using web tech for GUI in vanilla would be amazing

[lavish compass]

although there are some funny stuff that can be used for...

[vernal moth]

especially if they choose to open it up

[lavish compass]

for example

fingerprinting alts (???), checking if the user has an application that may subject to some exploit or something

[void void]

or just spooking people by finding out their name

[vernal moth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDevZETe8OE

its really cool tech

[lavish compass]

bruteforcing users directory by the most common name

the world if 1.8 was dead

[void void]

if only that world was a reality 😔

[wide chasm]

Okay, I guess finding people's name is pretty funny

[glass crag]

is that what they're now removing https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/creator/article/removing-the-additional-modding-capabilities-feature

[vernal moth]

no

not sure if this ever shipped?

[rare python]

For every amazing glitch there are ways to have fun with it and there are ways to abuse it.

[plucky sparrow]

Would it be too bad if something like OptiFine added some more extra customization on the client for the servers?

[vernal moth]

yes because optifine is bad

not open source and violates the eula

[wide chasm]

Wasn't ever properly released iirc

[rare python]

And optifine is obsolete on newer versions anyway.

[lavish compass]

it would be bad

[plucky sparrow]

Well sodium then

[rare python]

That's not what sodium is for.

[lavish compass]

sodium has nothing to do with that

[wide chasm]

I mean, plenty of mods have attempted something like that, but most of them failed

[plucky sparrow]

Well some fabric mod

[lavish compass]

people should not chuck useless shit into the client

[plucky sparrow]

Issue is, popularity

[lavish compass]

like capes shouldnt exist in optifine

[wide chasm]

Spout was successful, but that's also dead

[rare python]

On the server I run, I plan to eventually have an optional mod that interacts with the custom plugins on the server to have fancy things like custom guis and stuff.

[topaz mortar]

Sodium + Iris ❤️

[golden gust]

spout came at a time when the game was more limited, plugin ecosystem was practically still in daddys sac, etc

Like, these days, people just wanna do stuff

[plucky sparrow]

Bedrock is definitely more flexible on this aspect unfortunately

[golden gust]

they don't wanna have to mess around with mod loaders, etc, to be able to play on a server

[ashen cliff]

Spout also had the problem of just not working for some.

[lavish compass]

imagine something like Jetpack Compose / Jetbrains Compose for Minecraft

[golden gust]

which, is really where stuff like spout and everything after it failed

[twin lagoon]

TRUE when @waxen panther

[golden gust]

Well, spout died after some mc update iirc, but adoption was good for back then but these days i don't think it would work

[waxen panther]

I study

Wish **

[lavish compass]

@twin lagoon

[twin lagoon]

For now we can live with Interfaces

[golden gust]

and, yea, no surprise that the game which got built from the ground up is more able to use "modern" concepts

[twin lagoon]

[topaz mortar]

Yeah Spout was fantastic. Some stuff needs to be implemented by Mojang to create a Spoutlike experience.

[golden gust]

I mean, to be fair

I have an easy idea to expose a good % of people towards a gui mod thing

partner with the cheat clients

[lavish compass]

having a reward for using their companion mod would be a good idea too

[void void]

~~we should've just used log4j to install such a mod 😔 ~~

[magic river]

I could have sworn I saw something recently that suggested redoing the UI in Minecraft with either CEF or Qt/QML was being looked at

No idea where though

[plucky sparrow]

~~🌟 ~~

oh strikethrough doesn't affect emojis

it does on iOS

[worn ember]

@warm anchor

[warm anchor]

lol

[vernal moth]

yas, got ticket for a carnival party in february \o/

[ancient bolt]

don't catch covid

[ashen cliff]

INB4 closed due to covid.

[worn ember]

oh hey, i recreated the global market in DSP

[ancient bolt]

I think, in general, most things would be better if covid didn't exist

come back tomorrow for my next hot take

[worn ember]

thank you for your insight

[plucky sparrow]

wise words

[warm anchor]

This should be pinned for mini next month

[vernal moth]

It's super cool, outdoors, but with a tent on top (but no side, so enough air), heaters on the roof and the split the thing in small spaces where they let 8 people in and it's cut off from the others basically, so only when you get food and stuff you near other people and there you have to wear a mask

So yes, obviously there's a risk, but it's really small

[left swift]

small just like dap

[vernal moth]

It's only 750 people

[left swift]

it get real cold in Germany during February?

[vernal moth]

I would say 5 avg?

Sometimes it's really warm for carnival, sometimes it snows

[worn ember]

i love the glow on those science cubes

[vernal moth]

Still didn't try it

[worn ember]

smh

i'm very exited for the combat update

[vernal moth]

Wait what

But why

[topaz mortar]

whut. No CB snapshots since 1.16.5.
Where did you get the info?

[worn ember]

i'm talking about dsp lol

[topaz mortar]

Combat in a building simulation.

[worn ember]

never heard of factorio lol

they have bugs too

[vernal moth]

DSP doesn't need em tho? Idk

Feels weird

[worn ember]

mmm yes feels weird for a game you havent played

[vernal moth]

I don't like em in Factorio either fwiw

[worn ember]

idk feels like it'd add some depth to it

[vernal moth]

Well, I still know how the game plays

[worn ember]

you can just disable them if it bothers you

[foggy silo]

What Game is this?

[worn ember]

dyson sphere program

still gotta start on the dyson sphere part and this is only one of the like 30 or so systems you can go to

[grave yarrow]

shit

did not mean to send that sorry

[ashen cliff]

I do love Mojang re-adding old features: https://posili.me/i/GELXmm2m-2022-01-28_00-39-53.png

[rare python]

?

[magic river]

flying squid

[worn ember]

is github dead for you guys?

status says operational but i'm getting 500's

[golden gust]

it's fine here thus far

lol

homepage is bork

org page is fine, repo is fine

[tired heath]

Does anyone know an online converter from skin texture code to picture?

[golden gust]

the "texture code" is just base64

[tired heath]

oo i see thanks

[golden gust]

use a converter to decode the base64 value, and then get the url from that

[tired heath]

I tought is the data itself lol

[magic river]

Wow the US government is moving away from even TOTP as too insecure

FIDO2 tokens only

[honest quartz]

Github seems to be working fine for me

also, installed Lubuntu on an old Optiplex 390 SFF with a Sandy Bridge Pentium G630, and 2gb of 1066!

:))

[golden gust]

https://github.com for me is bork
https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper is fine

[warm anchor]

both worked for me

[golden gust]

https://www.githubstatus.com

0:50UTC

so, only took them half an hour to notice

[worn ember]

https://youtu.be/5pidokakU4I this is the content youtube was made for lol

[cosmic raft]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzPElFdxMCM

[carmine shell]

||(no im not asking for support, this is a joke)||

[cunning raft]

ok

[spare venture]

good solution

@worn ember i tried dyson sphere project and kinda got bored, the gameplay felt weird to me

i liked factorio a lot

[proud lance]

I felt the same way

I like the flatness of factorio

[neat oyster]

is intel xeon 6140 good (8 cores)

[paper jackal]

hey guys i have a question

does anybody know

how to see if a wings dameon is still working through ssh

[south matrix]

https://github.com/torvalds/linux/tree/8bcab0346d4fcf21b97046eb44db8cf37ddd6da0
how could torvalds do this

[magic river]

Someone else discovered forks all share the same storage, I see

[void void]

<@&748618676189528155>

[cosmic raft]

!ban 420896061675012097 advertising

[thorny flicker]

:raised_hands: Banned _VIVAN_#6539 (advertising) [1 total infraction] -- kashike#8590.

[void void]

[mighty storm]

wonder if he'll ever turn on vigilant mode

[plucky sparrow]

Wait

Is universal control out already

Ah only on betas nvm

[whole prawn]

lmao i didnt know you could show a fork as if it was "in the original repo"

[south matrix]

sure can

[void void]

[golden gust]

can you like not.

[void void]

Taylo swift

[golden gust]

!ban @wind elbow Spam

[thorny flicker]

:raised_hands: Banned Clean#0420 (Spam) [1 total infraction] -- electronicboy#8869.

[vernal moth]

Lmao

Fucking Elsevier is pushing ads at me

[warm anchor]

Mini at work on twitter caught on HD

[vernal moth]

I just woke up, lmao

Am in bed

[warm anchor]

[hallow umbra]

i also found something interesting i do use 1.18 last time
but the Jobs & CoreProtect plugin eats more ram
might be a helpful info for everyone
so i suggest dont use this kinds of plugins
if your playerbase is around 40-50
with 20gb ram tho

i think people should use ShopGUI+ Instead
than using this RPG Plugins.
i hope this info i gave is helpful

[twin lagoon]

ok

[royal ocean]

@wraith ivy

[tall flame]

hi guys whats the best holographic plugin?

[grave yarrow]

looking at mcp and mcp-reborn you can see that the overhead for the mc server code between 1.12 and 1.13 is absurd

i think they just gave up on any notion of proper optimization

same with the client code, of course

considering how more intensive 1.17.1 was compared to 1.16.5 it's not surprising to see that there is no care taken to make it faster (in vanilla of course)

[tall flame]

is there a way to not count spam kill in statistics

[wide chasm]

Depending on what you consider a spam kill a plugin might be able to correct for that.

[ashen cliff]

CoreProtect doesn't actually use that much, if you avoid using SQLite. 🛌

[wraith ivy]

Eggs

[worn ember]

I really like the planet system

[neat oyster]

"someone said if we died we turn into barrel"

he interpreted graves as this

[worn ember]

why is youtube recommending me 7 year old tutorials wtf

[vale light]

A kahoot code 6467537

[void void]

Is it your PR or someone else's?

[worn ember]

i suppose you could build off of it and fix the issues and then pr it? With a comment that it continues/superseeds that pr

[neat oyster]

i made the master plan

[worn ember]

broke moment

[neat oyster]

yes

me wen no donation

[worn ember]

paywall everything

oh you wanna place dirt? $5

[worn ember]

or you could fork the guys fork that adds it and modify it

tho then you probably cant pr to paper

not sure how that works

[rare python]

got positive on covid test

yay

[untold meadow]

just make a new pr

[worn ember]

yeah then make a new one ^

[untold meadow]

say it supersedes the old one

[vernal moth]

it all works on windows

[neat oyster]

sad

take care

NO my pc got hacked

:(( i played gta online my bad

someone uploaded a gta online mod menu video via my channel

and im getting this

[languid karma]

bro i had my comp sci java test (its basic java, we have just started for loops)
and there was a question which asked is i++; the same as i = i + num;?
and I put true
what was i thinking
only question i got wrong 🙃

[left swift]

lmao

[true canyon]

Lesson learned, trust no one. Not even yourself.

[magic river]

Python 2.7 was removed from macOS in this update. Developers should use Python 3 or an alternative language instead. (39795874)

They haven't removed Python 3 yet so that is a good thing (2.7 needed to die about 5 years ago) but it shows they're willing to remove these things so perhaps soon they'll follow through on the threat to drop all the scripting languages

[true canyon]

Why would they be removing python 3?

[magic river]

afaik they say they're going to remove perl, python, and ruby

And they already removed PHP

[true canyon]

What are they removing it from exactly? I'm confused a bit.

Like, built in support that could get exploited on machines not used by devs, by tricking a regular user into downloading and running?

[solar hearth]

Hello My players are getting kicked when trying to do the glitch with the boat. Theya re getting kicked for flying any idea?

[magic river]

Removing it from macOS and even xcode default installs

You'd have to download a supplemental package for xcode to get them

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/macos-release-notes/macos-catalina-10_15-release-notes#Scripting-Language-Runtimes

Scripting language runtimes such as Python, Ruby, and Perl are included in macOS for compatibility with legacy software. Future versions of macOS won’t include scripting language runtimes by default, and might require you to install additional packages. If your software depends on scripting languages, it’s recommended that you bundle the runtime within the app. (49764202)

[little frost]

is this for ""security""?

[magic river]

That's part of it, I'm sure

Also means less work for them, smaller installs, and less people bitching because they wanted to use Python 3.cameoutyesterday and software doesn't understand what PYTHONPATH means

Apple also historically just doesn't fucking update these things which doesn't help

iirc you can (or could) use python in package installers in macOS though

And some Apple stuff was using Python 2.7 in those installers, they had to replace all that stuff before they could remove it

[vernal moth]

Nobody should package stuff they don't use themselves

That only creates friction

[spare venture]

i think it’s cool but i don’t enjoy the planets themselves and the gameplay on them

[magic river]

I know it looks like complete ass but I kind of want the new pokemon game

[spare venture]

i haven’t seen anything but that screenshot

[magic river]

The characters and pokemon look good

[spare venture]

the screenshot could’ve been a fan made clone and i still would’ve thought it was low effort

[magic river]

The world looks like something from a PS2 game

[spare venture]

90s ps2 game

[neat oyster]

it looks so bad

[spare venture]

i haven’t bought a pokemon game since the gameboy advance came out and i’m definitely not buying the latest one

[neat oyster]

oblivion a 15 plus yer old game looks better

[magic river]

Yes yes we all saw that screenshot

[spare venture]

dude there are 20 year old games that look better

[magic river]

Fun fact: Oblivion's water was kind of ass when it came out too

[neat oyster]

that should be not so fun fact lol

[magic river]

Although I suppose that's more about the fact that it all flows the wrong way than the look

But the look wasn't state of the art of anything either, it was one of the first things people modded

[spare venture]

this def looks better

[neat oyster]

yea

[spare venture]

not MUCH better

but better

[ashen cliff]

Oblivion my beloved.

[neat oyster]

fun fact the first game i ever played was "dungeon raider"

[magic river]

That was a PS3 game though, of course it looks better than something that looks like a PS2 game 😛

[spare venture]

https://preview.redd.it/5pnywqxv32d81.png?auto=webp&s=53ec53dfb9967aa14d54dda3db8d6769c2dfae78 better comparison

[neat oyster]

and i still havnt completed it yet

[magic river]

Characters look better in Pokemon though

[wide chasm]

I mean, the graphics look like ass, but reviewers said it was pretty enjoyable. Didn't seem like anything revolutionary, rather just another pokemon game.

[spare venture]

still a little over 15 years old

[magic river]

Not quite just another pokemon game

It has quests and shit

And the way you fight and especially catch pokemon is different

[wide chasm]

Well, I mean, in terms of review scores, this is about par for the course, maybe a bit higher than average

[magic river]

The fights are mostly the same except you could run around and do stuff while they happen

[wide chasm]

Apparently there are no trainer/gym battles, though, only wild encounters. And from my experience with Pokemon Pearl, the trainers/gyms were more fun than the wild encounters. Still not much fun, but slightly better, so I don't think I'd like this game.

[neat oyster]

only pokemon game i played is pokemon vortex lol maybe pokmon go

[spare venture]

people don’t expect amazing graphics for pokemon which makes sense, they want good gameplay

trainers and gym battles were always my most memorable parts

[uneven nova]

Hey so this has probably been asked before, but how does paper get away with distributing binaries?

[wide chasm]

I mean, the most memorable part for me was how the time I spent in Pokemon Pearl was so boring I'd rather be staring at a wall, but if you like Pokemon's gameplay then from the sound of it this should be a fine game.

Paper doesn't distribute binaries.

The file you download is like Paper's version of BuildTools

[crisp hatch]

does anyone know how to setup dis4irc? i keep getting this

[golden gust]

see if there is more info about the error there

[uneven nova]

Oh okay that's makes sense

[golden gust]

maybe enable debug logging

[foggy silo]

Because technically all you download is the patches.

[spare venture]

ask dis4irc plug-in developer

[foggy silo]

Oh wait it was answered

Ignore me

[golden gust]

dis4irc is one of Z's toys

[spare venture]

oh

[golden gust]

not a plugin

[spare venture]

z is alive?

[crisp hatch]

oh yeah i can do that

[spare venture]

i just assumed it was a plugin because that looked like a server log

[golden gust]

Yea, Z is alive

[spare venture]

but just out of paper?

[golden gust]

out of mc in general

[uneven nova]

So then am I able to take the paper source and build and semi host it on my own JenkinsCI or will I get in some sort of trouble for that?

[golden gust]

the patched source, no

the paperclip bundler jars? yes

though, there is virtually no reason to build paper yourself, you will lose support, etc

[uneven nova]

If I understand it correctly, I would be hosting the same jars offered under the download section of the paper MC website

[golden gust]

with the bundler jars, yes

[crisp hatch]

oh lets go i got it to work

[golden gust]

that's why they're """ok""" to host

[uneven nova]

Okay, I'm fine with no support, I only need them to build against (I think)

[golden gust]

you can't build against them in 1.18

[uneven nova]

Uh oh

[golden gust]

that's what the dev bundles are for, and we publish those to our own repo

[crystal lily]

https://github.com/PaperMC/paperweight-test-plugin

[uneven nova]

Ah okay, I'll tinker with that then

[neat oyster]

taylor swift

[magic river]

Note that's not a thing you depend on, that's an example of how you have to make your plugin now

(including using gradle to compile it)

[still sorrel]

been a couple of years but I am looking to go back to messing around with plugins

are all servers java 16 now?

[twin lagoon]

17

[still sorrel]

I could have sworn I read it was 16 somewhere in a snapshot changelog

but highter is better I suppose

[void void]

16 was 1.17

1.18 uses java 17

[still sorrel]

I see

so server hosts can no longer run 1.18 on a lower version then java 17

[visual creek]

nope

[still sorrel]

good

now to implement dependency injection

[gilded fossil]

can you use paper + modpacks in 1.18?

[void void]

paper does not support server side mods

[gilded fossil]

so I can't Install paper and a modpack on a server am I right?

[visual creek]

no, you have to use plugins

[gilded fossil]

aight ty

[still sorrel]

is maven still the good stuff these days or are people using gradle?

[golden gust]

for server internals with paper, need gradle

gradle is also more advanced but also much more of a moving target in the scheme of things

people seem to be slowly moving towards gradle but any newbie who doesn't need server internals will generally be pushed to maven more because it's easier to find examples for, etc

[still sorrel]

is there an template github repo where gradle is set up correctly for use with paper?

[crystal lily]

https://github.com/PaperMC/paperweight-test-plugin

[golden gust]

for server internals, yes

for standard api stuff, bo

[void void]

Userdev if you want to work with internals ^

[upbeat falcon]

Using the Paper API - PaperMC

https://papermc.io/using-the-api

The Paper API is available from the PaperMC Maven repository. This tool can provide the source code, compiled jars, and javadocs to your project. Maven; Gradle ...

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[golden gust]

there is the minecraft dev plugin for IJ but afaik that only supports groovy build configs right now

Which, works, but, people are kinda moving away from

[magic river]

For a normal pluging just install the mcdev IntelliJ plugin and use it to make a new project

Oh

[golden gust]

idk if thats changed recently or not, but, I don't recall it being so

[still sorrel]

will need to add Guice as a dependency

honestly surprised that there isn't something more NPM/Composer like for Java at this point

[magic river]

Uh

[golden gust]

god I LOVE EAPs 😄

[magic river]

Java has had that longer than NPM (or node) has existed

[still sorrel]

I mean a package manager where you just have a simple json file with libraries you require and version constraints

[magic river]

Don't forget your babel config and webpack config

[golden gust]

that would basically require breaking the entire standard form of projects

[magic river]

When you need to compile things a simple json file isn't enough

[golden gust]

how does javadocs work?

deployments?

custom repos?