general

[rancid void]

-___-

"Why is my gitignore not working"

[vernal moth]

Only doubt I have about making a game is that I'll never finish it

But I think I can overcome that

Am getting better at managing my time and shit, I would just structure my day around that

Like work on it for an hour before work and stuff like that

[frank otter]

mini is making a game?

[vernal moth]

Could also reduce hours at work

Not yet

[frank otter]

are you going to?

[ripe sphinx]

what kind of game would you make?

[rancid void]

18+ dating sim /s

[vernal moth]

Def a simulation type game

[grand pewter]

beer simulator

[rancid void]

iOS 6 flashbacks

^^

[vernal moth]

My fav games are Anno, settlers (2 in particular), civ, stronghold, StarCraft EC

So something like that

[rancid void]

bruh my entire room smells of weed and I don't even smoke or have any

I didn't think that drink would actually smell like the thing. let alone that strong

[vernal moth]

I have this one idea that would be really cool

[rancid void]

Never were my type of game but I absolutely see why people like them

[vernal moth]

A game where you have different resource chains but instead of transporting goods using streets you had to use waterways

And have to do stuff down stream

I think that would be an interesting dynamic

Cause it forces you to think twice about placement of buildings

Could even create a highly abstract and stylized version of it so art design is easier

[cosmic raft]

@golden gust https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGR0gvE5i-E

[vernal moth]

I even had ideas to create a story around it

[austere ivy]

mini, that sounds like a lovely game that I would want to play

[vernal moth]

I had this idea 6 years ago on vacation in Greece, lol

[austere ivy]

like Factorio but a bit more peaceful and garden/town-themed

[vernal moth]

Yeah, set in this valley where you have nice waterfalls and are constrained by the water and the walls and have to build a bit vertical and stuff

I was always to scared to tackle that idea cause I worried I would burn it

Valley is the wrong word, canyon

But a green one

[austere ivy]

oooh yeah. since you’d have the vertical aspect, would it be fully 3d? or 2d? or like, 2.5d?

[vernal moth]

Isometric I guess

Doesn't make much difference I guess

Models would need to be 3d

[frank otter]

I think that would be a cool game tbh

[vernal moth]

Then it's just camera scripts

[frank otter]

what was that isometric kinda battle game

[austere ivy]

ah yeah ok I see what you’re saying, so not complete vertical transportation with waterfalls and stuff, but just terrain restrictions and cliffs that you can’t go through?

[frank otter]

polytopia?

[vernal moth]

Well, you will be the first to know if I ever get to that

[austere ivy]

that sounds lovely

[vernal moth]

Yeah that's lovely

And I love low poly art style

And I feel somewhat confident that I could create art for that style

If I learn it

[frank otter]

that was one of my favourite games a while ago

[vernal moth]

It's one of the best mobile games

[frank otter]

I don't think polytopia has any 3d models, just different views on sprites depending on orientation

[vernal moth]

It's Civ, but simplified enough for short but fun mobile sessions

[frank otter]

it was a very well thought out game

[austere ivy]

it’s multiplayer too isn’t it? I tried it once but didn’t have any friends who had it

[vernal moth]

It is ye

[frank otter]

yep it is I remember beating a bunch of schoolmates

ah well mini that sounds like a really interesting game concept

[vernal moth]

It's a keeper I know

[frank otter]

have you thought about the backend/engine you would use

[austere ivy]

yup you have my full support if you ever try to make it

[vernal moth]

Fun fact, for the last 5 years I get a notification about the idea every Saturday at 1800

[frank otter]

ah I gtg but mini if you ever progress with that game please let me know I think I'd love to play it

[vernal moth]

You will know I would rage about it here ^^

This was the location where I had the idea ^^

[cold pumice]

Ooo, beautiful picture

[vernal moth]

Korfu, Greece

That vacation was when I first learned to just sit and think about stuff and reflect about myself

We did find like this really cute bar

https://photos.app.goo.gl/zCzmQLv6gyz5MWE27

And one of the cutest pics of me and my sis was made

And this pic is still my WhatsApp profile picture, lmao

Idk, was just generally really memorable

[cold pumice]

Wow! That sounds like a wonderful vacation

[vernal moth]

Fucking 2016

Am so old

[cold pumice]

2016 seems so long ago already

[vernal moth]

Yeah I was still in school

[sharp ore]

Hey, not sure where else to ask, but anyone know why Travertine github repo is read-only ? did the project get discontinued or meget upstream or some other fate?

[vernal moth]

And now am 3 years out of uni

[vernal moth]

https://c.tenor.com/lFXOrtM4uyYAAAAM/star-trek-hes-dead-jim.gif

Use velocity I guess, that still supports old stuff, right?

[sharp ore]

Possibly, I'm looking to add a Feed The Beast 1.7 server to my network of 1.18 servers

and most google results point to Travertine - I'm quite happy with Waterfall overall

[vernal moth]

We decided to stop caring about old stuff

Our time is better spend elsewhere

[sharp ore]

thats a sensible thing to do - I too am annoyed by old stuff 😛

[vernal moth]

I can't imagine the pain to run a modded server, yet alone 1.7, lol

I would just add a separate subdomain for it to be honest

Can still link chat using plugins if you want

[sharp ore]

its for a small set of people using it (like 6 or so) so nothing major

my primary reason for it putting it behind a proxy was to better signal number of online players from the Multiplayer in-game list and combine chat

use VentureChat today with Waterfall

I appreciate the help, thank you MiniDigger 🙂

[left swift]

[worn ember]

she unbanned yet?

[left swift]

idk

[worn ember]

[frank otter]

regional_indicator_simp

[worn ember]

yes

[golden gust]

1. "yes", kinda

2. the info is useless anyways

3. ptero has pretty much said that they have 0 interest in adding that, there are forks around which may or may not add that, idk, idc, nor will you probs get much support for them where they do exist

[vagrant egret]

how do i make it so that "issued server command" message in console doesnt show up?

[golden gust]

use a log filter

either in the log4j config or use console spam fixer

[vagrant egret]

i dont know how to do that lol

[golden gust]

I just gave you 2 methods of doing it

1 more involved

1 being a plugin

[vagrant egret]

ill look into it

[left swift]

cat so helpful today

gross

[limber knot]

I really wish someone would discover a janky way to color nether protal blocks :S

at least we can now add a fake glow lol https://i.moep.tv/gvOGBTvt.png

[twin lagoon]

custom models!

[limber knot]

(without a resource pack xD)

[spare venture]

cant modify the client without resource pack

[rancid void]

that is just embarrassing at this point

[left swift]

who

[tropic flame]

seems safe to me

[rancid void]

I mean it is

[tropic flame]

yeah, antiviruses claiming the file is unsafe just because it's a legally questionable tool is what's funny

it should be detected as unsafe for actually being a virus, which is what their job is for

[rancid void]

Windoze Defender also claims the hosts file is malicious if you redirect telemetry to localhost :D

[rancid void]

Legally, but not morally in this case. I just don't feel like buying something a 2nd or even 3rd time because the HWID in a virtual machine is (of course) different

[left swift]

HAHAHA good one

man funny

haHA

[spare venture]

all these years we could’ve been taking advantage of it to play doom 😔

[rare python]

Who needs mods when you have the log4shell exploit?

[spiral robin]

myokan

[warm anchor]

@ripe sphinx

[ripe sphinx]

haven't seen that one before, got an original?

[warm anchor]

[oblique wadi]

Paper Chan is in fact cute

[knotty oasis]

science cant explain this

[knotty oasis]

wheres the "mojangs auth servers are down" option

tbf I remember only two instances where I had to do this

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/2022-01-14_02-35-26.png

[warm anchor]

^

[void void]

LOL

[hollow pilot]

👀

[warm anchor]

was a reference of someone literally just pulled that in #paper-help earlier

[north estuary]

anyone know and good free capturetheflag plugins that are updated to at least 1.16.5?

[tired heath]

I'm thinking of moving away from GP and already had Towny for land protection. While Towny is overloaded and difficult, GP is just okay but not that thing I'm looking for. At the moment I'm thinking about lands what is premium but has closed source. Can somebody else recommend something?

[south matrix]

https://github.com/Redempt/RedClaims

(@astral linden)

[tired heath]

Well looks like it's really young and rudimentary, little bit of gamble

[south matrix]

i'll let him sell you on it

[tired heath]

Is not about being premium or free but ty for the link

[languid karma]

saving that for later

[astral linden]

Rudimentary how?

It's not super advanced but I'm curious what you think it's lacking

[void void]

wat

(maybe they don't know what 'sell' means in this context)

[magic river]

TIL Windows comes with python and python3 binaries that open the store page to install python

[golden gust]

god I thought apple was the only PITA of a thing to do that

at least, for stuff like git, java, etc

[magic river]

macOS instead removed python, ruby, perl, and php

And replaced bash with zsh

[golden gust]

theres a few commands which prompt you to install the xcode stuff

running java used to at least tell you to go grab apple java

[void void]

lmfao

wtf

[magic river]

The macOS change is extra shitty because scripts that use #!/usr/bin/python (or perl, ruby, etc) you can't even fix

/usr/bin is protected by SIP, you can't install things in there

You have to change the scripts

[golden gust]

yea

to be fair

that is a bad #!

but, like, many people used that bad thing because it bloody worked

[magic river]

I've seen people argue back and forth about using #!/usr/bin/env python a lot

[golden gust]

well, that's the more technically correct one as env will pick it up from the path

[magic river]

iirc a lot of the arguments came down to some things only having /bin/env and if you have to change things to make the script work you may as well ensure you run the one you meant to

[golden gust]

somebody will have a good solution to this

one day

something which makes everybody happy

#OutlawComputers

why does anybody need a device which has magic smoke?! eh?!

[magic river]

env came from 4.4BSD, the one no one used because they got sued by AT&T

But that means it came late enough that some *nix systems don't have it at all, others put it in a different place, some arguments are GNU or FreeBSD only, etc

Personally I say if you don't have /usr/bin/env go fix your shit and would just close any bug report about that

[golden gust]

it's that annoying thing where like, LTT was right

[magic river]

But that does mean it's new enough that people learned without it

[golden gust]

Theres so many stupid things like this where you'd just expect shit to work across platforms, etc, and it just doesn't

[magic river]

(oh god it's almost 30 years old)

[golden gust]

Like, then you get to the point where like, why doesn't somebody just make a more general solution which works?

But, then you're back to stage 1

[magic river]

https://xkcd.com/927/

xkcd: Standards

Fortunately, the charging one has been solved now that we've all standardized on mini-USB. Or is it micro-USB? Shit.

Ha, remember when the hard part of USB was having like 5 different connectors for it?

[golden gust]

lol

oh god that was beautiful

You had the printer cable

the cable for cameras

the cable for the other cameras

and then came along the new cable for phones!

and, few years ago, we got the cable for phones which also has extra speedy part attached to it!

like, why?!

[magic river]

USB-A, USB-B, mini-B, micro-B, micro-B 3.0 (had the extra nub, external HDDs use it), USB-C

Yeah that's the 3.0 one

USB-B was pretty much only printers and scanners (and still is, I think)

mini-B was pretty much only digital cameras

[golden gust]

yea, B was the one I was saying for printers, still in use on the printer my mate got a few years ago

many of them just seem to be sticking to that for now and primarying wifi as the main connection thing

[magic river]

micro-B didn't have enough pins, iirc 3.0 repurposed some power pins for extra data transfer for something

That's why they added the little nub to the side

[golden gust]

remember mini-b being used on a few dozen devices like cameras, etc

but, that was at the point when everybody phone manf had their own cable

then micro came along and took over there within a few years, bar apple

[magic river]

Every digital camera I owned or saw used mini-B or a proprietary cable

[golden gust]

yea

only cameras I saw after that just had a removable sd card as the main storage

but, I've only seen 1 or 2 there

digital camera is basically dead now other than for professionals, etc

[magic river]

Now I think you're more likely to have a mini-HDMI than something for file transfer (fun fact, mini-HDMI is HDMI Type-C)

[golden gust]

I've honestly not seen a proper digital camera in a few years

Like, my grandfather pretty much always had a proper camera but even he slowly moved away from his

[magic river]

Streamers with too much money use them as webcams 😛

[golden gust]

to be fair, with most web cams these days, I don't blame them, lol

[magic river]

Oh macOS hasn't removed python, perl, or ruby yet, they're like OpenGL

[golden gust]

I do kinda miss having a proper camera though, but, it's not a device I'd use often enough to justify getting one

[magic river]

Apple wants to get rid of them and tells you not to use them but hasn't pulled the trigger yet

bash and php are gone though

[golden gust]

 22:02:44  shane@Shanes-iMac  ...DATA/Downloads/tt 
$ /bin/bash --version
GNU bash, version 3.2.57(1)-release (x86_64-apple-darwin21)
Copyright (C) 2007 Free Software Foundation, Inc.

maybe still there cos I upgraded?

(and x86)

[magic river]

Hmm, maybe they only switched the default and are leaving it installed for now too

I don't have a working mac right now, basing this on a blog post 😛

They explicitly called out php being gone in macOS 12 though

The rest were Apple saying the others would be gone soon (2019)

[golden gust]

yea, I kinda recall php itself being removed

Like

Much of this stuff hasn't really been updated in years

so, semi glad that they're just yeeting it as then I can just pull maintained stuff from brew and not have to worry about random crap depending on system versions

[marble lark]

what

[edgy palm]

wen will my ban appeal be reviewed

[golden gust]

it was already done

[edgy palm]

am i unbanned

[golden gust]

apparently so

[edgy palm]

no im still banned

[marble lark]

lmao what

[golden gust]

no idea, somebody was sus about the ads in your account, idk

I have the thing marked as unbanned but apparently it's not

[edgy palm]

can u unban now

[golden gust]

so, left a message in there for them

[edgy palm]

okk

[marble lark]

that is one hell of a variable name

error(superCall, Diagnostics.A_super_call_must_be_a_root_level_statement_within_a_constructor_of_a_derived_class_that_contains_initialized_properties_parameter_properties_or_private_identifiers);

[edgy palm]

https://imgflip.com/i/6150i3

this gon be in my status in that acc lol

[warm anchor]

[edgy palm]

amog os

[frank otter]

among minecraft: a server where every tick every currently instantiated object votes for any other instantiated object to be immediately garbage collected, leaving only null pointers

I want to make that

[edgy palm]

is pebble host or night nodes better than using a vps

cuz my pannel crashes when server crashes and i have to restart the whole vps

other staff cant restart the vps

[untold meadow]

neither are really, you want to be using a host that gives you the resources you pay for, like bloom, dedicatedmc or extravm

[edgy palm]

why is installing pterodactyl so complicated

lesser used puffer panel is jus 5 lines of terminal

[compact dock]

Quick question, can PaperMC run Forge and Fabric mods at the same time?

[untold meadow]

no

[rare python]

Paper can't even run Forge or Fabric, let alone both.
There is stuff that lets you run Forge and Bukkit, but it has major compatibility issues.

[marble lark]

forget Paper, Forge and Fabric by themselves are worlds apart

compatibility is basically non-existent

[void void]

i just followed the instructions and it worked

[vernal moth]

fucking hell, youtube is recommending me settlers videos now

why do you make me suffer like this youtube?...

[spiral lance]

Will PaperMC add a resources section instead of having to make a plain thread? Please @ me.

[vernal moth]

hangar is in development and be exactly that

however don't expect that we will tolerate gambling, altho rules aren't decided yet

but I agree with you that grandfathering like spigot does it is fucking stupid

[spiral lance]

Why is "gambling" such a big deal if it's just minecraft currency?

I'm not trying to convince anyone here, I just really don't understand.

[vernal moth]

I don't know your resource, I just know that I don't think a kids game should expose kids to gambling

mc is PEGI 13 don't forget that

[spiral lance]

It's just minefield, you can add money and open hidden slots, it can either reveal a positive multiplier, a bad one or a bomb which makes you lose it all.

[vernal moth]

as I said, we haven't decided on hangar rules yet so idk if that would be allowed or not, I was just expressing my personal opinion

[spiral lance]

Alright

So, hangar will be a new website or?

[vernal moth]

yes

[spiral lance]

ty

[vernal moth]

https://i.imgur.com/lu41K97.png

ignore that it looks ugly

[ashen cliff]

Sponsored by.

Better see that KGBCraft logo up there any time soon.

[vernal moth]

its literally beer krusic

[ashen cliff]

I know.

[vernal moth]

https://github.com/HangarMC/Hangar/blob/master/src/main/resources/application.yml#L76

[ashen cliff]

I would change it to Pißwasser, but I'm too lazy to PR.

[vernal moth]

r00d

[ashen cliff]

[vernal moth]

Uff

Ubisoft has the audacity to show me settlers ads

I already deleted it

prolly just a kid so didn't issue a formal warning

oh holy fuck

I learned a new sad detail

you can buy skins for your border stones

[void void]

mods, can you deal with the idiot in #paper-dev lmfao

[neat oyster]

[spiral lance]

I just remembered where I know you from MiniDigger

[vernal moth]

Which is?

[spiral lance]

I think I once called you a b*tch.

pls don't ban me

[vernal moth]

Possible

[spiral lance]

I used to be a real shithead years ago, sorry.

[vernal moth]

I am still a shit head today, lol

[spiral lance]

Yeah, I'm probably still one too tbh

[neat oyster]

WHY TF did somone name their ide "BEANS"

[spiral lance]

They liked beans obv

[tall flame]

is there a way to disable lava cast

[calm oxide]

Hello I had a question how to make sure that paper does not break the datapack?

[vernal moth]

Test it and check if it breaks and if so report to us so we can fix

[limber knot]

updating to 1.18.1 went surprisingly well I don't trust it 👀

[calm oxide]

Where should I postpone it?

[calm oxide]

where?

[vernal moth]

an issue?

on github

[calm oxide]

Okay

[neat oyster]

wow i was scared of touching plugin development tried today and it is kinda easy to understand

maybe its cuz ik java a bit

[ripe sphinx]

If you know java going into plugin dev, yeah it won't be too bad

[neat oyster]

i tried to make a discord bot with discord.py one time it FAILED horribly i didnt know anything on py but this time i have a chance

[ripe sphinx]

yeah jumping into a big lib in a language you don't know never goes well

(Which I thought was common sense, but the amount of times I find myself telling people to learn java before attempting to use the Paper API apparently indicates otherwise)

[vivid ivy]

how do you feel about these players that have nothing going on but building massive over the top farms for every conceivable item in the game 24/7? do you nerf them into the ground? do you just let them? i feel like these types really disturb the balance of the game

[ripe sphinx]

Yeah, but at the same time, at least skim a basics of java guide before or smth. I've ran into people trying to make plugins but not even knowing about constructors

[vivid ivy]

this is usually my mindset too but when it starts to affect other players, especially new players and they just shower them with items and new people feel like there's nothing to accomplish anymore, it's a bit.... yeah it doesn't feel balanced

my legit like my players but there is something about that playstyle that annoys me on a personal level

building farms all day just so a player has an abundance of everything in the game...it kinda turns survival into creative after a certain point

i'm not sure how to deal with that

[void void]

anyone wants to play 1.18.1 minecraft survival? dm me

am so bored

LOL

if anyone does

please dm me

[neat oyster]

ye lol

that is paper community

[ripe sphinx]

No one here will, this is a server full of server owners, admins, and developers. I'd suggest deleting that before a mod does it for you

[neat oyster]

YAY my big brain move workd

[void void]

[neat oyster]

i used math.random in a plugin idk if anyone does that

[void void]

sad

[neat oyster]

maybe search for a minecraft smp on google or smth

you can play there

[void void]

i dont want to

i want to start a new world with someone

[ripe sphinx]

grab a friend then

[void void]

thats hurt

thats really hurt

[void void]

too bad i dont have friends

:/

[neon galleon]

honestly wonder why i torture myself by running a minecraft server

[ripe sphinx]

that's why I let someone else run it & pay the bills and I just do development and backend 😛

[void void]

Hey im trying to do the oracle mc server thing

but theres some sort of firewallls

anyone know how to do that

i do

dm

[neon galleon]

i probably spend more time just dealing with random bs in the server than actually making anything

[void void]

dm me

[neat oyster]

NO wae i did it i randomized drop rate without tutorial

big acomplishment

i made it so if somone breaks diamond it would drop random amouts of apple

wat why whoo

lol

[short yarrow]

are nested try catch blocks a bad thing? would you usually move the inner try catch to the outer one?

try {
    File f = methodThatThrowsIoException();
    try {
        methodThatThrowSomeOtherException();
    } catch (SomeOtherException) {
        ...
    } 
} catch (IOException) {
  ...
}

[ripe sphinx]

I mean they're not great from a style POV, but sometimes there's nothing you can do about it

[neat oyster]

paper general model chatter

YESSS nickname bak

[silver nexus]

https://amogus.rehab

[neat oyster]

https://amogus.org/

[lavish crest]

Does running a server with the Log4j vulnerability on a server hosting service potentially put the host at risk? (I'm not running a server like that. I was just wondering)

[void void]

If they properly set up their stuff, not really, other than that the mc server could be used for bot attacks or other types of malicious activity

But it wouldn't put other customers at risk, assuming they've set up their stuff properly (other than potential disturbance caused by stuff like high cpu/io usage)

[ripe sphinx]

Really depends on how competent the host is lol

in theory no, but there's so many hosts ran by children...

[void void]

^ Assuming the host knows what they're doing, no

[neat oyster]

1.8 fast clickers....

are at risk

[twin lagoon]

@restive thicket

[restive thicket]

HELLO

[neat oyster]

hoii

[warm anchor]

@twin lagoon

[void void]

incognito mode youtube hits different

[neat oyster]

that videos are in my recomendations too

that kind

[void void]

i need to run paper on 512mb of ram

this is ram usage from boot, any advice?

[neat oyster]

buy mmore ram

[warm anchor]

Buy more ram

[void void]

theres gotta be a paper fork optimized for minimal ram usage

[neat oyster]

mcpe

maybe

[void void]

i need to run 1.18.1 java

[neat oyster]

not possible

[void void]

🤨

512 million bytes

[warm anchor]

I don’t think m stands for million

[twin lagoon]

disable all worlds except for the overworld

generate a flat world with low view distance

problem solved

[warm anchor]

Keep spawn loaded false

[void void]

https://tenor.com/view/mark-cuban-shark-tank-notes-taking-notes-remember-gif-15073512

[void void]

already done haha

if i had keep spawn on it'd use 5gb of ram just to start

[void void]

It literally does lol

[warm anchor]

N o

[void void]

ima be honest it stands for million

Etern is american, they don't know what the metric system is 😛 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mega-

wat

america invented the atomic bomb, with said blast force measured in kilotons megatons etc

[warm anchor]

It’s 2 to the 20th power bytes @void void

You are the reason why my hard drive is false advertising its space

[frank otter]

is this about the disagreement with 1024/1000

[void void]

same thing really

[frank otter]

eh they're close enough

[warm anchor]

No

[void void]

any flags thatll work for 512mb ram

what if gc was just running constantly

i have good cpu power

shared host 😸

[warm anchor]

I’d be worried if my bank tells me that my $1048576 and $1000000 is the same and the $48576 means nothing

[void void]

why would it be 1024

[frank otter]

it's a power of 2

[void void]

kilo means 1000

[frank otter]

computer likes powers of 2

[void void]

ok

whats the reality tho

bruh you also have to consider windows bytes

[frank otter]

everything is disagreeing on it

[void void]

fuck

[frank otter]

bringing up issues like this

[void void]

hard drives are like 1tb and when you plug it in its like 930 max

windows momento

[hot echo]

That's not an issue of 1000 vs 1024

[void void]

yeah ik

still tho

that is not caused by "windows bytes" lol

gibby bytes

A 1,000,000,000 byte ( 1000^3 ) 1 gigabyte in Windows will show as 0.931323 Gib (Gigabyte) aka GB in Windows explorer. ... Although the International Electronic

[frank otter]

I think -ibibytes are a thing

I've def heard of kibibytes

[void void]

that is literally the difference between 1000 and 1024 lmao

https://xkcd.com/927/

xkcd: Standards

Fortunately, the charging one has been solved now that we've all standardized on mini-USB. Or is it micro-USB? Shit.

character encoding isnt really that contested

its either UTF8 or ASCII

[frank otter]

utf-16

I'm sure the utf goes up

[void void]

noone has ever used that

it wont lol there are like 1 million character slots unused

[frank otter]

I am going to save all my source files as utf16 from now on

also unicode

[void void]

utf16 is a virus!

if you get it on an itemstack and the itemstack is saved in yaml it blows it up

[frank otter]

you have also presented the solution of don't use yaml

I mean I don't use it much apart from docker so I should be mostly fine

[void void]

i dont use yaml anymore broda

json best

[vestal jasper]

Is that a TesseracT reference

[frank otter]

json imo is good for sending data place to place

it's not good for storage

[frank otter]

I'm going to guess no since I haven't heard it that

[void void]

what do you mean by that

[frank otter]

would like to be enlightened tho

[void void]

why not

[vestal jasper]

It's a band

[frank otter]

because its strange and unwieldy and no comments

[void void]

why do you need comments in storage

[frank otter]

it fits on one line, it's whitespace-ignorant etc

if I'm storing data that's not in some obscure database format I find it's most often config files

[void void]

json is pretty concise idk, about same size as yaml

[vernal moth]

I swear Ubisoft brought up every single ad spot on Twitter for me today

[void void]

plus its size doesnt matter much when its literally 200x faster than yaml to parse

[vernal moth]

They want to rub it in goood

[frank otter]

I'm sorry I'm getting confused I meant as config files not as storage, if you are storing considerable amounts of data in json there are larger problems

[vernal moth]

If speed matters both suck

[void void]

what flat file beats json tho

[little frost]

https://xkcd.com/394/

xkcd: Kilobyte

I would take 'kibibyte' more seriously if it didn't sound so much like 'Kibbles N Bits'.

speaking of kibibytes

[void void]

dont forget the wifi one

I GIGABIT!! I CAN DOWNLOAD 1 GIGABYTE PER SECOND!

[frank otter]

I have 16000,000 imaginary kilobytes of ram

[void void]

LOL

[frank otter]

I'd argue yaml or toml

[void void]

lmao

[frank otter]

I haven't used yaml much but I get that it works nicely with java

[void void]

yaml is 200x slower than json

[frank otter]

toml I have to use for rust

[void void]

toml is ugly lookin idk about parsing speed of it

[frank otter]

yeah if you want performance don't use flat files

use a database structure or something

[void void]

i dont really wanna

[frank otter]

how much data are you storing

[void void]

very little

[frank otter]

I mean I guess for anything under like a megabyte json would work but very inefficienctly

if its meant to be edited by a human I would pick yaml

[void void]

nah json is efficient

it only needs parsed once anyways

its stored in memory

[frank otter]

if its approaching megabyte size just be done and sqlite

[void void]

sqlite is slow tho

[frank otter]

but I concede that json works for smaller "quick" files

[void void]

slow for a database impl i mean

[frank otter]

sqlite may be slow but its afaik competitive with json and probably more efficient

it's slow for a database impl but I think it's faster than json

[void void]

ig its cool

cant open it in np++ tho

[frank otter]

ig so but yaml is nicer than json to edit in np++

[void void]

yaml shouldnt be used for anything

[frank otter]

also if you're using megabytes of data why are you poking it with np++

[void void]

because it can handle it 🤷‍♂️

it breaks after like 100mb

then i just use EMEditor

[frank otter]

damn my pc doesn't like any large single files

[void void]

use emeditor

its OP

[frank otter]

I'd argue that config files fit best as yaml

[void void]

can open and index 100gb text file in a couple minutes

[frank otter]

also I don't regularly find myself opening massive text files

I think ive only done it once and that was a log dump

and I did ripgrep on it

[void void]

regex damn that mustve taken hours to parse

[magic river]

ripgrep is faster than whatever tool you're using to search through a file 😛

Unless you indexed it first but that's cheating

regex is only slow if you're doing slow things with it

[worn ember]

i'm only bad at math when i'm doing math

[summer rivet]

Anyone else having issues with DNS on Domains (that they take th wrong ip and so the mc server seems offline)?

[warm anchor]

[knotty oasis]

who'se first

[wicked grove]

lol

[vernal moth]

Not if you got a good provider

But then again, it is DNS

It always is

[void void]

hm

[summer rivet]

`Type: A Record
Host: mc
IP-Address: minecraft-server-ip

Type: CName Record
Host: @
Target: website-domain

Type: SRV Record
Service: _minecraft
Protocol: _tcp
Priority: 10
Weight: 10
Port: minecraft-server-port (not 25565)
Target: mc.domain.net`
to join with domain.net doesnt work sometimes, the website always work

[void void]

i dont think you can have both easily

make a play.domain.net

oh i cant read

[knotty oasis]

also try flushing your local dns.

[worn ember]

srv records are hit or miss

[knotty oasis]

I usually check online dns resolvers on websites to see if it updated

[void void]

shitty dns servers are so sad

isps making you use their shitty dns server 😢

[true canyon]

Yeah, some people's Internet Service Providers give them DNS servers that don't always resolve SRV stuff. It suuuuuuucks for those people, and for those wanting people on their server.

[spare venture]

😔

[void void]

8.8.8.8 or 1.1.1.1 gang

[true canyon]

Yes, chad summarized it nicely.

[void void]

id probably do 8.8.8.8 since google is spying on me already

[knotty oasis]

I usually set 8.8.8.8 first thing I do

it prevents the endless internet "outages" I would otherwise experience with my isps shitty dns

[void void]

smart move

[worn ember]

my advice: dont use srv records and use a subdomain to point to your server and use the default port

[void void]

how do i speed up chunk gen on a shitty shared host paper server

[wicked grove]

pregen the chunks maybe?

[worn ember]

you dont

you cry in the corner together with your shitty shared server

[void void]

shitty oversold* server

[worn ember]

if you have big boi internet you could gen it on your computer and upload it after

[void void]

ah i mean

the chunks are already generated ig

[knotty oasis]

keep the whole area loaded at all times then?

[worn ember]

well big difference between loading and generating lol

[void void]

nah i realized

currently im genning chunks

but the final product will be loaded mostly

[worn ember]

it'll be faster at least

chunk gen kinda down the drain with the bigger chunks

even more than it already was lol

[void void]

fr 😿

[knotty oasis]

Ive sometimes wondered if you could store a snapshot of the server post-startup, and load it in

like a pc and its hibernation mode

[void void]

yeah probably

i always wondered

what happens to shit when pc sleeps

would it set watchdog off?

since system.currentimems would jump a few hours

[knotty oasis]

depends on the type of sleep mode

[void void]

hibernation

no cpu cylces

[knotty oasis]

one mode writes ram and stuff to disk, another mode basically shuts all logic down except for some hw interrupts

some servers had a 30 minute startup time because of hundreds of plugins for minigames and whatnot

made me wonder if that could just be, yaknow, copied from a save state

probably a very bad idea lol

[wicked grove]

30 minutes???

[void void]

???

[wicked grove]

just how much i/o is that doing?

[knotty oasis]

for some its an hour

[void void]

lmao

and i thought 20 seconds was bad for mine

[knotty oasis]

probably has to load a huuuuuuge amount of chunks and worlds

[void void]

one of my plans is to get restart time to a min

[wicked grove]

if i reboot my entire network

it takes maybe 5 minutes

[void void]

bungee is a slow rebooter

[wicked grove]

but that's because the server chugs trying to restart 15 servers at once

[worn ember]

usually its fine, but sometimes it shits the bed

[wicked grove]

i dont have enough cpu so it does them like 3 at a time at most

[void void]

thats expected ig

[knotty oasis]

another random thought Ive had

[worn ember]

server starts make my keyboard lag

like the lights on it hang

[wicked grove]

LOL

[knotty oasis]

what if you, instead of storing world and player data on disk, stored it on a network decentralized database system that multiple server instances can read and write

[void void]

minewind does that

[wicked grove]

truly multithreaded minecraft

[knotty oasis]

then have different regions of the same world hosted using different server instances

take 2b2ts huge world, and just plot it up

[wicked grove]

problem would be your plot boundaries

maybe if you put different worlds on different machines?

[void void]

yeah ive thought about this

[wicked grove]

but as a player approaches a boundary they have to receive chunks from 2 different machines at the same time

possibly 4 at a crossroads

[void void]

having different dimensions on seperate server instances

its entirely possible

not even that difficult, has been done before like i said

with this server called minewind

[knotty oasis]

with a decentralized database one server could send chunks of another server, maybe just not modify them

but yeah, tricky

[wicked grove]

even if you did that

unless you write every update to the db in realtime

[void void]

for the border i'd send chunk packets inside

plugin messages

lmao

[wicked grove]

like a hypathetical

2 players playing on opposite sides of the server border

how do i see the block changes of the other player?

[void void]

doesnt really matter much

[knotty oasis]

I mean if space isnt an issue Im sure you could store every block in detail without annoying encoding in a decentralized database

[void void]

its like the nether portal problem

those plugins that show dynamic nether portals

[knotty oasis]

and have them all read/write from/to it

[void void]

thats show entities etc

[wicked grove]

well i'm more getting at unless the server's can directly interface with one another's in-memory data

[void void]

just store the compressed nbt

[wicked grove]

not just the database

you wont be able to do it

[void void]

region file is basically a db of compressed nbt

[knotty oasis]

yeah you would need an overarching 'combiner'

[wicked grove]

in other words, you are basically just running a big server that under-the-hood is multiple servers

minecraft at that point doesn't necessarily even need to know

[knotty oasis]

minecraft in nodejs

I can hear the screaming

[wicked grove]

lol

[void void]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLSc9ZZ1UJI

look at this

egg made this plugin

it syncs player positions across servers using plugin messages

super hacky but cool

[void void]

don't forget knenwald ;)

o yeah

kenny is the protocol guy

[wicked grove]

i;ve seen something similar done with super mario odysey actually

[left swift]

who

[wicked grove]

kinda cool

[void void]

our favourite twitch streamer

[left swift]

[void void]

kenneth teelvision

[ripe sphinx]

Not plugin messages. That video was using redis messaging.

[void void]

wouldnt that be slow

[ripe sphinx]

(I think egg's said they've moved over to RabbitMQ)

[void void]

ig not since its built for it

[ripe sphinx]

apparently it was fine actually. Only issue was apparently the client packet queue couldn't keep up on low-end machines

[void void]

there is teleporting around bugs yeah

i wouldnt say thats a cient thing tho tbh

there werent that many players on screen

[knotty oasis]

rabbitmq is great

we use it a lot at work

[ripe sphinx]

that was the first version so I think everyone got all the packets

[void void]

if i wanted to make an immutable owrld

would setting spawn protection radius to int max be a dumb idea?

[void void]

what for?

what do you make at work

[knotty oasis]

communication of events between microservices

we do computer vision analysis, security, healthcare

[void void]

sounds like something the company would say

what do you actually do

what is a microservice?

[knotty oasis]

world domination, of course

[void void]

~dont be evil~

whats the strikethroughmarkdown

[ripe sphinx]

double ~~

[knotty oasis]

probably 2 ~

[void void]

dont be evil

[ripe sphinx]

~~hi~~ -> hi

[knotty oasis]

it would be fun if parts of the minecraft server code were turned into microservices so you can slowly work towards a load-balanced system

[void void]

confusing naming alert ⚠️

[knotty oasis]

also, have it not be java.

[void void]

so you have to use load balancing at work?

[knotty oasis]

for example, have player inventories stored in mongodb or something else with a microservice managing the changes to it

then anyone can create web pages to show peoples inventories or create tools or external services around it

[void void]

thats how minewind does it

inventory, homes etc are stored in mongo

when they switch server it loads it in

[knotty oasis]

its a good first step

the tech is there nowadays with gRPC and stuff

dunno how mojang would feel about their server being pulled apart into open source components tho lol

probably wont happen until mojang gives up on updating the game

kinda like the insanity around OpenRCT2

you wouldnt do that shit when you know there can be an update being released that breaks everything

[void void]

i think we'll both be dead by then

[knotty oasis]

or doing something that isnt minecraft

Id probably do stuff with VR tbh

that shits going to go crazy soon

if not already

[void void]

i have an occulus quest 2

vr is very fun but

its still a gimmick imo

[knotty oasis]

into the radius looks awesome

vrchat is mostly anime and furries now

Im scared what 'Meta' is going to cook up for the corporate/normies

[twin lagoon]

@warm anchor thoughts

[knotty oasis]

why bother with cubicles when you can strap your employees in headsets and monitor their every move.

creepy

[warm anchor]

@static badge thoughts?

[static badge]

SILENCE

[void void]

leaf i love you

[static badge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/876902758366736457/898822874788409394/893715744368492584.gif

[void void]

thanks for making performance go brrr

[knotty oasis]

nothing wrong with anime and furries tho :3

I watched some twitch stuff of vrchat when I was ill with a cold but it felt a little awkward tbh

[void void]

i mean awkward ppl play vr chat so what do you expect

and ur dressed up as an anime figure

[knotty oasis]

I remember in the very beginning there was a controversy because some popular streamer was messing about in vrchat

then some underage anime char turned out to have well, bits

place is a mess

[warm anchor]

thanks for your information in #general

[left swift]

leaf a furry

[knotty oasis]

what if

among us vr

[void void]

iirc that exists

[knotty oasis]

shit that would be fun to watch

[left swift]

It do be existing currently

[worn ember]

snaps neck
camera does 180°

[left swift]

I saw it

[spare venture]

paper should provide a complimentary bleach spray bottle for the eyes when opening general

[void void]

arent passwords technically security by obscurity

[spare venture]

no

[worn ember]

isn't encryption technically security by obscurity

[spare venture]

no

[left swift]

isnt

[spare venture]

locking a house vs leaving the door open but the house is actually a maze inside

or some bs like that

just google it

[left swift]

leaving a house unlocked and door open so it doesnt get broken into

[spare venture]

labeling your ssh key “gay porn” so the hacker who gets into your machine might not open it

[left swift]

unless

[spare venture]

yea unless

[cunning raft]

lmfao

[left swift]

oh man jrotc is here

[cunning raft]

you could have just said obfuscation was an example

but sure that works too

[quasi valley]

@warm anchor shuddup weeb

[warm anchor]

Wut I actually have literally perfect emoji for this

@quasi valley

[left swift]

wtf

[summer rivet]

why is srv record bad?

[golden gust]

srv records are unreliable depending on various factors

[jolly schooner]

hear har

[golden gust]

e.g. some routers are stupid with SRV records

some ISPs DNS servers are stupid with SRV records

[magic river]

Some day Minecraft will use its own DNS-over-HTTPS implementation and bypass all that garbage

Just like everything else does

[worn ember]

doubt it

its indicated enough they dont care about servers

[little frost]

what happened to @upbeat falcon posting paste.gg links?

[ripe sphinx]

it does pastes.dev links now

Luck's new awesome paste siite

[little frost]

oh

[left swift]

ded

[little frost]

oh neat redesign on lucko/paste

[worn ember]

nomana

[untold meadow]

@twin lagoon nox paste when

[twin lagoon]

luck's paste is godtier

uses the visual studio code editor

[twin lagoon]

soon!

[untold meadow]

epic

[little frost]

monaco uwu

[little frost]

what are these secrets 🔍

[frank otter]

what's a nox paste

[void void]

noxcrew

[frank otter]

what's a noxcrew

[twin lagoon]

BEST noxcrew

[golden gust]

Well, it's a crew whom know themselves as nox

Issue is that they have city in there, so, am guessing that a major ingredient of that crew is cancer

[twin lagoon]

city is no longer there

so that's a problem solved HOWEVER, we do have broccolai

[little frost]

rename it to kezzcrew

[twin lagoon]

epic kezz .

[void void]

the crew would be too epic

best @untold meadow

[little frost]

best @untold meadow

[twin lagoon]

BEST @untold meadow

bestest of lead developers

[little frost]

lead ✏️ developer

[worn ember]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-from-cringe-pink-skull-cgi-render-gif-23154103

[void void]

says you

.joke

[knotty oasis]

weird, games been crashing like this on the 1.13.2 client

[void void]

Anyone know where I can find good flags for my pterodactyl instaltion

[knotty oasis]

in the off chance someone knows about a fix lol

[crystal lily]

https://paper.readthedocs.io/en/latest/server/aikar-flags.html

[void void]

make sure to decrease Xms and Xmx by 1-2G from your actual container memory

[worn ember]

bot is dead

[magic river]

Make sure you aren't using settings from a newer version

[void void]

do i need to do that if its my own Pterodactyl install

[worn ember]

@warm anchor https://youtu.be/uKmHGPUr6lM

[knotty oasis]

would you know where the settings file is stored?

Ill try yeeting that one

looks like 1.14.4 does the same so this is probably whats been happening

[void void]

i thought that was for like hosts over selling machines but idfk

[magic river]

No idea, somewhere in .minecraft 😛

[warm anchor]

lamo was t his yesterday

[worn ember]

probably

[warm anchor]

yeah it was yeetreday

LOL

my friend said that too last night

[magic river]

You can set per-version directories so they don't try to share settings and worlds and such

But by default the launcher puts them all together

[worn ember]

"theres an earthshaker in your house bro, luckily he doesnthave dagger yet" lmfao

[void void]

yes, I personally set the container memory limit to unlimited (0) and to then set the ram in the Xms and Xmx flags to a little less than what you would normally give the container

[warm anchor]

xD

[knotty oasis]

I found options.txt, renamed it to zoptions.txt

now fixed

[void void]

i set it to 16gb on a 24gb oracle thing

wut

[worn ember]

oh nvm im blind

shh

[void void]

lol

so i can like just do 16 in start up flag then?

The allocation should be more than the amount in Xmx (or you can just set it to unlimited)

[crystal lily]

-Xmx controls the amount of heap memory assigned to the JVM, this does not include other memory used by java, or native memory used by other libraries such as netty (for networking) or SQLite. Please do not allocate all of your memory!

[void void]

(let's move this to #paper-help btw)

[summer rivet]

ok how should i do it then? All my players only know domain.net but not mc.domain.net and also i cant use the stabdart port

Im pretty new to domains and DNS...

[golden gust]

you can't, basically

SRV records are unstable

[magic river]

Alternatively, use SRV records and fuck the small group of people that can't access your server without putting in the port

[rancid void]

what the crap?

"out of memory. only 6 GiB free so I can't allocate 4.58"

[worn ember]

players that cant connect using yourdomain.com can you just add the port at the end basically

[magic river]

lol, I think my uncle tripped and doesn't want to admit it, fell walking up the porch steps and claimed the stairs were icy

[worn ember]

my mom faceplanted in the mud earlier this week

[magic river]

I went out there to put some salt down and couldn't slide on the stairs even when I was trying

And I was wearing slippers with flat rubber soles, no treads

[worn ember]

multithreaded shoes

[spare venture]

just use srv records, you dont want people whose dns can't resolve srv records. remove the weak from your server

i intentionally use srv records just for that

[worn ember]

is that why you went from 200 to 13 concurrent players?

[spare venture]

yes

[worn ember]

well at least you can yeet that janky queue plugin now

[spare venture]

janky?

[worn ember]

slightly

[spare venture]

it handled like 150 people in queue just fine

[worn ember]

true, but like the code itself wasn't super great

if it aint broke dont fix it

[spare venture]

yeah it was originally a plugin duck made for me that i changed to woirk better

next money making scheme: add bots to your server to fill it up to the player cap then sell queue priority

[worn ember]

[ashen cliff]

MFW a Slovenian server actually did that.

It's totally not sus, when you login and see this: https://posili.me/i/2022-01-15_02-57-33.png

[left swift]

[foggy veldt]

I made original 2b2t queue when I was like 16 and the code was so jank im surprised it worked on a server that large

I found a wiki the other day that talked about how bad it was and I was like accreate

[austere ivy]

seeing jank code behind really popular services reminds me that while yeah, clean code is important and all, the end product is much more important to the user than how pretty your code base is

i’m curious, any specific points of why it was bad/what you’d do better?

[golden gust]

ah, yea, the work the intern did cos it needed doing and, who cares

[foggy veldt]

Lemme see if I can find the spigot dms it’s hella cringe

[golden gust]

which sits around for 10 years or whatever, badly patched, until eventually the "fuck it" call comes

[worn ember]

clean code base is only useful for maintainability

[golden gust]

it's the never ending balance

you want everything to be maintainable, but, it's the trangle

[austere ivy]

fair points cat, it’s moreso a reminder to me specifically because i tend to indefinitely delay releases because the code isn’t good enough

[short yarrow]

what do you guys consider actual errors in java? like not all exceptions means there is an issue with your program

[golden gust]

clean code, does the job, deadlines

[worn ember]

when doing commissions i usually get a working base and if i still got time i'll clean it up and refactor a bit

[golden gust]

I mean, an error is an unexpected state

be that an NPE

a logical bug

[worn ember]

if its not caught then it is, and usually you dont want any exceptions in an ideal world

[austere ivy]

unless your program uses exception-driven structure

[golden gust]

sometimes that unexpected state is picked up by some logic somewhere or something, e.g. an NPE, some check somewhere which throws an exception when invalid state occurs, etc

sometimes those issues aren't detected and propagate elsewhere

[worn ember]

throwing exceptions is the oh shit oh fuck button

[golden gust]

exceptions is one of those weird areas where nobody has a good solution for

everybody hates dealing with checked exceptions, but, how do you ensure that people deal with unexpected state?

Like, best solution I've seen thus far is union types, but, you've still gotta make sure that you deal with them

[worn ember]

just propagate them to UI level and show a message if its something the user fucks up, otherwise crash that bitch with a stacktrace

[foggy veldt]

This was the initial plan, I don’t know why I thought the player data would change while they were offline and I would need to store it myself, thank god eventually it clicked that I was doing too much and I eventually just did the reconnect queue but I’m pretty sure I made a queue implementation myself reading stack overflow articles not knowing java had a built in queue

[golden gust]

which is where checked exceptions are kinda liked, but, then they create so much mess

[vagrant echo]

https://bitbucket.org/snakeyaml/snakeyaml/pull-requests/3 It was finally committed to snakeyaml

[austere ivy]

that’s terrible but also really adorable haha

[worn ember]

"should not affect threading" proceeds to switch from blocking dequeue to regular dequeue

[austere ivy]

you were doing your best

but also yes, let us ignore the fact that minecraft stores player data and store it ourselves in glorious ✨yaml lol

[vagrant echo]

Is the patch "0842-Fix-saving-configs-with-more-long-comments.patch" still needed even after this commit?

[worn ember]

2 weeks of studying and i might finally start to understand my math course

smoll brain moment

[austere ivy]

oh also this reminded me of this I made a while back https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/60bd4971fda74e15b523d422a36afaea

[worn ember]

i have no idea what that is supposed to do xD

[austere ivy]

it is very pointless but you can basically return values by throwing exceptions

[worn ember]

there's a special place in hell for you

is void a keyword or a (return) type 👀

[golden gust]

I mean, I think that Either is basically the best type of representation of that type of stuff

as it's basically just bastardised union types in a sense

or sorta like result objects akin to what kotlin was tryna push for with their sealed classes

[worn ember]

optional gang

[merry talon]

look at the backend of any enterprise outside of tech companies and find that you'll want to claw your own eyes out, I'm not convinced it matters at all tbh lol

yeah maintainability but I feel like that's not even a thing they do, like they just use systems until they're so old they physically can't anymore and then start from scratch

no updates to speak of

but my code still has to be perfect before i dare show it to the public

[spare venture]

manufacturing PLC is bad

[worn ember]

Not true. Features are constantly added to legacy code

Depending on the application

[next frost]

Yes

[marble lark]

the optimizations many compilers apply to your code when you ship it would look incredibly ugly if it was in the actual codebase

loops for one would look very different

[neat oyster]

DED CHAT XD

[left swift]

who asked

[neat oyster]

[summer rivet]

that doesnt work, i have to give ip and port then... it takes the ip of the webserver if i try to connect so it ignores the srvreport...

i know some huge servers can do it without subdomain. how they do it?

[next frost]

SRV records

[warm anchor]

This has gone full circle. I love it

[golden gust]

I mean

SRV records are as reliable as they are

make sure that you're using a reliable DNS provider such as cloudflare

but, like, outside of hosting a proxy on the web server, you're SOL

such is how all of this works

when SRV records fail, there is nothing you can do

there is nothing we can do about ISPs, etc, being janky af

[next frost]

I didn't see any issues with SRV for like the last 5 years. Might be region dependent though

[golden gust]

for us they worked for 99% of people

every once in a while it would fail for somebody and we'd have to give them the more direct domain

really boils down to the network they're on, etc

if you attract a bunch of people in an area where ISPs suck, you're gonna see it more

[summer rivet]

it fails for me i thunk like 5-10% have issues

of my players

[void void]

Out of interest does increasing the world height affect server performance a lot or not by much? Assuming I've pregenerated the chunks of course and the world gen I've used takes advantage of the extra height

[golden gust]

more height = larger data structures in ram which also need to be written/read from the disk

more blocks for random ticking, etc

how much that impacts depends on VD and hardware, etc, etc

[turbid lotus]

can semeone help me?

how do i download 1.12.2 paper mc core

[golden gust]

I mean

[void void]

read the entire page

[golden gust]

read, and then answer the questions?

[turbid lotus]

um

i answered

it;s says i will not receive support

so i answered no

it's just the screenshot

now i understand the answers

[golden gust]

you have yes in the box?

refresh the page

[void void]

oh what the hell lmao, this doesn't seem intentional

[turbid lotus]

no

ok

[twin lagoon]

Is a feature bro.

[golden gust]

doesn't look like no to me...

[turbid lotus]

it's just the screenshot

[golden gust]

[turbid lotus]

i just realised

[void void]

ah, my bad

[twin lagoon]

@warm anchor

@lavish compass

[warm anchor]

I think the question is too hard. Should just ask them if they like paper chan

[turbid lotus]

i keeped trying

[twin lagoon]

[warm anchor]

@twin lagoon

[turbid lotus]

i already in the page

[lavish compass]

oops wrong rie

[twin lagoon]

[golden gust]

yea, sure

the wrong one

we believe you

[twin lagoon]

[lavish compass]

[twin lagoon]

@untold meadow best kezz .