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turbid lotus
actually papermc looks like telegram
untold meadow
@twin lagoon best Michael (wordle champion)
warm anchor
void void
I see, thanks for the answer
magic river
vernal moth
worth noting, thats not the official app
its a shitty 3rd party app
that was always under fire for unclear data protection standards
but lobbying made it a thing in some states, but no sane people used it and people hacked support for the QR codes into the official app (which is on github and actively maintained by a large community)
its all open source, including all backend services, its really cool
charred sleet
https://i.imgur.com/VnQtCYW.png
do you ever get recognised on games like that
mental oxide
worn ember
you can use the debug screen but other than that not much other than fiddling around
glass crag
are there any client versions of something like spark, if not you could go old school and hook up visualvm to the client
warm anchor
spark?
vernal moth
do you ever get recognised on games like that
why would I?
worn ember
most of the people in minecraft don't even know him
royal kernel
What paid anti cheat would you recommend?
magic river
Didn't someone have a NCP fork they were posting here all the time?
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worn ember
where is that bot when you need it kekw
charred sleet
why would I?
meh ig you aren’t exactly a celebrity
proud lance
wait is that THE minidigger?
void void
@golden gust what are ur pc specs I want to run ARCH too in a vm
golden gust
no ping
golden gust
ashen cliff
Ah yes. 24GB.
golden gust
cost of ram was blowing up
and I needed just a bit more ;-;
Like, I wanted to double it from 16 > 32 but the cost was just stupid and like, I didn't need it
warm anchor
that will be $3000 thanks
meager tusk
Krushiç.
meager tusk
How are you bro.
magic river
DDR3 is old
meager tusk
Not for me.
magic river
The price is only going to go up
ashen cliff
Tell me bro. TELL ME.
Why does Adoptium not list the debian repo, that they created last month?
ashen cliff
The price is only going to go up
Yes and no. It's still being produced.
meager tusk
Tell me bro. TELL ME.
Why does Adoptium not list the debian repo, that they crea...
Because Eclipse absorbed them.
That's what happens.
Your product turns 100x shit.
magic river
Still being produced but not at the same scale DDR4 is
golden gust
Yea, I kinda wanna replace this machine before I care to throw more cash into it
magic river
And now DDR5 is taking up fab time too
golden gust
but, that's a whole wish list away
ashen cliff
DDR5 really isn't interfering with DDR4 and DDR3 production.
ashen cliff
Exactly.
magic river
I'm waiting for PCIe 6 to upgrade now 😛
ashen cliff
PCIe is cool and all, but we need better PCIe bifurcation boards.
magic river
Damn, I've run in to the bad part of a laser printer: toner cartridges are expensive as fuck
Official brother ones are $262 for the full set
plucky sparrow
isn't that the bad part of all printers
ashen cliff
At least laser printers just work.
plucky sparrow
(cartridges being just too expensive)
magic river
Ink jet costs more per page but it's cheaper at once since you replace it more often
Laser runs forever then hits you with a massive expense
plucky sparrow
how much did the printer cost
magic river
I paid $289 for this one
plucky sparrow
hmmm
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ashen cliff
I said 300€ for a Samsung one, so I don't have to deal with random firmware updates anymore. 
magic river
iirc at the time this was one of the most recommended ones for SOHO
Just 3 years later all the recommendations have touch screens and shit on them, mine looks like it could have been made any time in the last 30 years (other than the wifi)
ashen cliff
Mine has the little LED screen that you can't even read.
And can't disable sleeping at all.
magic river
magic river
I'm going to try the third-party cartridges, $60 for a full set
ashen cliff
In my case, it doesn't even cry about using knock offs.
magic river
There is one review saying Brother firmware updates broke these for them, I don't think I've updated my firmware in years
ashen cliff
Don't they auto update?
magic river
Mine doesn't seem to
ashen cliff
You probably aren't using the official app then.
magic river
At least one printer manufacturer give instructions on how to disable their DRM now because they can't buy the chips they need for it 😄
ashen cliff
Canon.
magic river
So their own replacements are showing as counterfeit
ashen cliff
I've seen people at work, tape down the chip connections to get more out of the cartridges.
Otherwise it stops working, if you print like 300 pages, despite it being full.
Oh cool, time to throw away the full red ink again.
golden gust
part of the joy these days is that printers are cheap af
like, "it's cheaper to just get a new one"
ashen cliff
Yeah, but that's why they give you half empty cartridges by default.
magic river
ink jet printers started coming with "sample" cartridges to stop that like 10 years ago
golden gust
The printers which have ink tanks look interesting, but, like, the # of people who print enough for that these days is I'd imagine relatively small outside of like, office type stuff
magic river
Yeah, that
ink jet printer costs $30, ink costs $50 so you think just buy a new printer but the ink that comes with it will only print 1/2 or 1/4 the pages
ashen cliff
Despite that, some printers that are on sale for like 30€ here, are worth doing that with. Since you get a bunch of small servo parts and USB compatible wifi cards.
plucky sparrow
If I were to get a printer I’d get an HP one tbh
golden gust
my grandfather had an inkjet which would clean the jets every day almost
plucky sparrow
They have this plan for 10 bucks/month so good enough
But then, I barely use printers
magic river
oops, either this thing does auto update or I did updates recently and forgot, firmware version is V210914
As in September 14, 2021
ashen cliff
Gotem.
humble stirrup
Hi,
Does some of you have heard about reliable anti-afk plugin ? I tested a few (afk+, ultraafk), that were glitchy or afking players when they are not
eternal rain
Is it possible to download a prerender map somewhere and use that for my server?
humble stirrup
something like https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/chunky.81534/ ?
eternal rain
Yes but that is going to render the map as plugin..
I just wanted an already rendered map
Last time it took about 72hours to complete a 10k radius chunky prerender map
magic river
So you want someone to generate w world and provide that as a download?
eternal rain
If possible yes.
magic river
A 10k radius map is going to be a couple dozen gigabytes
eternal rain
mine was about 20-30gb
topaz mortar
magic river
Looks like I'm going to get away with not shoveling
We didn't get much snow at all last night and starting tomorrow it's going to be above freezing again
Even today if it's sunny enough the streets and sidewalks might just melt
void void
is moores law in full swing?
seems like new cpus coming out are really meh
or maybe i've lost interest in pc hardware
damn java primative int array, cool
magic river
Holy shit Dad of Boi looks amazing at 4K Ultra
muted portal
I got a DM from someone with this as my only mutual server, trying to get my steam account. Is there somewhere to report them here?
magic river
You can with /modmail but you're better off just disabling DMs from public servers
muted portal
Ok, thanks
vernal moth
discord has a report button, use it
magic river
That too
zealous vessel
its not always there
vernal moth
can you write java in cyrillic chars? https://forums.papermc.io/threads/how-to-make-cooldown-per-command-using-arraylist.62/
that code seems hella scuffed
zealous vessel
jesus...
общедоступный окончательный класс SnowAuth расширяет JavaPlugin, реализует Listener
Im not even gonna ask
twin lagoon
google translated java is something i'd never have thought of
zealous vessel
Basically kotlin
velvet garden
If there's a Wrapper class that has a reference to Player (in a field), and then a WeakHashMap<Player, Wrapper>, is it a guaranteed memory leak if the map is left to be cleared by GC 
and no, not my code, just a general question
worn ember
What the fuck xD
wide chasm
The Player in the Wrapper would also need to be a weak reference
It's not a guaranteed memory leak I guess, since you can just not use that class and then you don't have a memory leak, or the player is guaranteed to never leave the server, but it does open up the possibility for a memory leak.
velvet garden
I'm basically debugging a memory leak in another plugin, and that's the exact map that's leaking memory. It's not cleared anywhere, so either it's the pattern that's making it leak or some other plugin is storing bad references
worn ember
That's why it's always a good idea to store uuids instead
velvet garden
^ this (99% of the time)
wide chasm
Imo if you need to do something when the player leaves - e.g., some other state management - storing as a player isn't much of an issue, since you can just remove it from the proper places along with that other code. It saves a bunch of converting from uuid to player in the rest of your code.
turbid lotus
im so happy that in discord is at least 1 public server when "admin" (core team role in this case) is almost always answering on question and just active
wide chasm
If you use uuids, you won't leak as much memory, but you also create the ability for your plugin to work with players across sessions. That may be what you want, in which case, by all means use uuids, but if you don't want that, then you still have to do the proper cleanup to get rid of the uuid to prevent state being used between sessions.
In which case, if you do the clean up for the uuids, you can also do the clean up for the players.
magic river
There is no guarantee a Player is valid the entire time that player is connected
Since CraftPlayer is a wrapper instead of being added on to EntityPlayer it's easy to keep it valid but it's still not guaranteed
turbid lotus
bubble kvass suka blyat
unkempt drift
There is no guarantee a Player is valid the entire time that player is connected
I think that is guarenteed now. since it's passed any time the nms Player object is re-created
velvet garden
If there's a `Wrapper` class that has a reference to `Player` (in a field), and ...
actually, the javadoc for WeakHashMap just answered my question
Implementation note: The value objects in a WeakHashMap are held by ordinary strong references. Thus care should be taken to ensure that value objects do not strongly refer to their own keys, either directly or indirectly, since that will prevent the keys from being discarded.
magic river
If CraftPlayer was a mixin instead of a wrapper object then every time the player changed worlds or respawned the instance would change
waxen panther
simply use ExtremelyWeakHashMap
magic river
Something to think about for the future 😄
tropic flame
what would you know about cb 🙄
when your brain goes numb, you can call that NMS
ok sorry
worn ember
simply use ExtremelyWeakHashMap
No u
twin lagoon
@restive thicket uwu
twin lagoon
best camotoy .
restive thicket
Thank you Michael.
ashen cliff
What about coding in moonrunes?
frank otter
what's a moonrune
green turret
I went down a really dumb rabbit hole. Chrome has a bug since v97 or so that makes it, under certain conditions I'm not entirely sure about, "zoom in" instead of cycle windows using the Cmd+= combo. It's so incredibly frustrating. I tried searching for the issue, but all that comes up is "how to change keyboard shortcuts" or something irrelevant. I know it's a Chrome bug because all other programs work just fine, and I painstakingly binary searched through canary Chromium builds to pinpoint where it started bugging out (between 97.0.4676.0 and 97.0.4677.0 apparently). Now I'm checking out the Chromium repo, but I'm not really sure what I expect to find... x_x
magic river
what's a moonrune
ツ
frank otter
is that a valid java function name
magic river
Determines if the character (Unicode code point) may be part of a Java identifier as other than the first character. A character may be part of a Java identifier if any of the following are true:
it is a letter it is a currency symbol (such as '$') it is a connecting punctuation character (such as '_') it is a digit it is a numeric letter (such as a Roman numeral character) it is a combining mark it is a non-spacing mark isIdentifierIgnorable(codePoint) returns true for the character
Letters and digits may be drawn from the entire Unicode character set, which supports most writing scripts in use in the world today, including the large sets for Chinese, Japanese, and Korean. This allows programmers to use identifiers in their programs that are written in their native languages. A "Java letter" is a character for which the method Character.isJavaIdentifierStart(int) returns true. A "Java letter-or-digit" is a character for which the method Character.isJavaIdentifierPart(int) returns true.
tldr yes
waxen panther
ツ
cunning raft
@waxen panther
waxen panther
@cunning raft
cunning raft
thanks
cunning raft
playing destiny is not work
cunning raft
destiny 2
waxen panther
i do not see any activity from you in #paper-github there for you are not working
i am not even home actually jroy
cunning raft
i am in #763011784314454028
cunning raft
@cedar spade
waxen panther
intjLaugh
cedar spade
<@!145878422566993920>
ok
waxen panther
i need a counter for how many times md says ok
must be at least 2/3rds of his messages
twin lagoon
@void void what is your opinion on mustard on bittergarnituur
very important question
there is only one right answer
vernal moth
What's Bittergarnitur? Lol
topaz mortar
When reading Biergarnitur. 🤣
vernal moth
Oh that doesn't sound tasty
Dutch food is strange
I like some stuff, but some stuff is absolutely disgusting
Somebody go get me some of these Waffel biscuit honey thingies tho
twin lagoon
Oh that doesn't sound tasty
it's fried meat for the most part how can you not like it
it's the shit you'd eat on a friday night
vernal moth
Only acceptable after club food is Döner Kebab
I actually don't like fried stuff that much
topaz mortar
No chips alias french fries?
No Chips alias crisps.
void void
<@456226577798135808> what is your opinion on mustard on bittergarnituur
not a huge mustard fan, I sometimes make an exception for bittergarnituur tho
summer rivet
i accidently forgot to set the first position and it was an old position set that was 3000 block away and i did //replace water
This is pain
I went all my areas along and found no replaced stuff does that mean nothing happened? It runned like 3minutes after the command before it crashed
spare venture
pprobably didnt crash
but your server being killed witohut saving pprobably meant nothing that was done was saved
summer rivet
does worldedit modify unloaded chunks and does worldedit save chunks?
spare venture
getting a block loads the chunk
summer rivet
i checked the mca files after the crash and loaded them into an editor and i cant see any replaced stuff there, so im fine?
spare venture
server couldn't save the changes from worldedit because you froze the server
summer rivet
but, when i paste too large schematics it saves like 50% of it, where is the difference?
spare venture
maybe it had a chance to save
maybe you shouldn't be freezing your server and letting it get killed
vernal moth
mustard is horrible and you should be ashamed of yourself
A bartwurst without mustard is a human rights violation
spare venture
mustard is good on brats
vernal moth
We have a historical mustard mill on my city, they make the best mustard possible
It's milled cold, with big stones, so all the flavor is still there
Plus they good beer mustard
spare venture
dammit mini you're makingh me really hungry
wide chasm
Both bratwurst and mustard are gross
vernal moth
spare venture
all of germany hated that
mossy vessel
How terrifying do you like your mustard? Yes.
vernal moth
The same mill exist in the city my mom was born in, kinda cool
Cochem
Plus there's one in Monschau, but the Köln/Cochem guys don't talk to the Monschau guys cause appernetly they don't know what they doing and are a scam
In my quest to rewatch house of cards I just finished the 5th season and Netflix didn't stop
So I remembered why house of cards only has 5 real seasons
worn ember
How terrifying do you like your mustard? Yes.
its must art
trim oracle
So I remembered why house of cards only has 5 real seasons
yeah that 6th season was real nonsense
topaz mortar
Ah Monschau was the city with the famous mustard.
vernal moth
It sucks compared to the one from Cologne
The city is good for a romantic walk in the winter time tho
But can't spend more than one afternoon once a year there, lol
topaz mortar
To good beer?
vernal moth
Mmh?
left swift
no
twin lagoon
no
mossy vessel
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manic blade
midnight oracle
Not sure where to ask: Any recommended JDK 8 for Shenandoah? Wanted to use graalvm however it seems like they forgot the Shenandoah in their JDK8 builds
wraith trail
do you have a particular requirement for 8? But no nothing comes to mind
midnight oracle
Yeah unfortunately we are running 1.8.8
twin lagoon
you can still run java 17 with 1.8.8
wraith trail
or, well, I haven't looked- I'm sure as you're running a 1.8 server you've done more than I have
but the better approach there would be to make it run on a newer java version lol
midnight oracle
you can still run java 17 with 1.8.8
Getting one big error log when I run Paper 1.8.8 on java 17
wraith trail
don't use paper 1.8
twin lagoon
nachospigot should support it
midnight oracle
Ah, let me check
wraith trail
if you're running a 1.8 server you're basically expected to be maintaining it yourself/ ^ for a start
but yeah, that's the one that would be fixed by bumping netty/disabling native epoll
midnight oracle
Thank you, Michael - totally forgot about Nachospigot ❤️
twin lagoon
time to see if i can get influx running without breaking my entire server <:blaz...
questdb
twin lagoon
influxdb 2.0 is a disaster
especially with the flux language
questdb is influxdb 1.0 but on steroids
magic river
summer rivet
I cant find any lush caves, is that normal? There were like 100 times more before the release
can i set the chance higher?
ashen cliff
Can you see when you created your MC account after migration?
Since, well Mojang used to show that.
summer rivet
with a datapack you can
can it break things by any chance?
when i change it when the world is like 50% generated
worthy geode
are you sure that lush caves don't generate at all? Have you tried /findbiome?
because you would be pretty much the first person with that issue
/locatebiome, sorry
golden gust
blending is for world upgrades
nothing to do with configuration tweaks
and it was just plending stuff like biome data, iirc, not actually mutating the world
worthy geode
/locatebiome, sorry
You might need to run that command from a low y-coordinate, iirc it only searches on the x/z axis
summer rivet
are you sure that lush caves don't generate at all? Have you tried /findbiome?
they do but one little veine in 1000 blocks
in 1.17 snapshot they were everywhere
i miss that
worthy geode
is your world a fresh 1.18 world?
twin lagoon
and now switch to prometheus
worn ember
never satisfied are we
ashen cliff
Munin.
magic river
My uncle, watching a live show where they went to a camera in the dark: "hey what happened to the TV?"
There is a crawler on the bottom making it clear the TV didn't go dim
magic river
LLVM probably isn't going to work so well unless they cache it to disk
stiff yarrow
nachospigot should support it
I prefer enchiladaspigot
magic river
ashen cliff
Damn the satellite didn't even flinch.
magic river
Apparently the pressure wave from it even caused a meteotsunami of 10 cm in Puerto Rico
That's the wrong ocean, there is a whole North America in the way
ashen cliff
Not good.
daring owl
I heard something abt paper performance patches coming soon is that a thing
south matrix
never
grand pewter
performance patches in paper? you've gotta be joking
void void
I heard something abt paper performance patches coming soon is that a thing
paper is not a performance fork, it's focused on being slow /j
only lag patches 😎
and unnecessary patches like async chunk loading... bc ssds exist
(I'm being satirical btw)
spare venture
yeah there was a tsunami warning in seattle
ripe sphinx
I think we had one too (vancouver, ca)
prime pawn
Do any of you know if it's possible to have it showing as though you are wearing armor above your hotbar without seeing any armor on you?
magic river
afaik it's not
The bit above your hotbar is calculated by the client based on what's in your armor slots
prime pawn
Yeah I feared as much
magic river
You could probably make the armor invisible via resource pack
prime pawn
And there's no way to stop the client from calculating it?
prime pawn
I was thinking after it calculates what I want it to, stop it from calculating but yeah ig
magic river
Well, yes, I think you can put attributes on the armor to make it give you zero armor, not sure if it'll draw an empty bar or not draw the bar
That would let you see the armor but not have any
prime pawn
Well it seems like it's possible to hide the armor yeah, not sure if it'd hide the armor count as well
Well I think I'll just have it on the sidebar showing armor/20 and if the players are using the texture pack, then it will also show above the hotbar, it's for a minigame I am cooking up
magic river
I meant that would let you see the armor in your inventory/on your body but not have any damage reduction (and maybe not have the armor hotbar)
The opposite of what you're after
left swift
.java17
crystal lilyBOT
turbid lotus
hey guys
wanna to laugh?
my server uses 38% of disk and 35% of it is list of banned bots that are from ddos-attacks
ripe sphinx
How big is your disk though
serene bolt
How big is your disk though
reading that message from across the room... changed it a bit
magic river
I think I found my new primary drive https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B093DNV47J/
It'll be running at half speed until I build a new computer though
Got a USB enclosure too, going to use that to copy my existing NVMe to it, resize the partition, then swap the drives
That way I don't need to deal with reinstalling Windows until I get the new computer
proud lance
Is there a full list of names for things like in plugins where something is listed as SALMON or GRASS, is there a full list of complete names anywhere?
cause I know some stuff is called DIRT_BLOCK or something
golden gust
er, the Material class?
usually the javadocs, but, er...
last I knew that javadoc broke on that class
"21 inch k custom dry ride"
was not a phrasology I was expecting to hear today
tall flame
anybody knows what server oversleep means in timings
it causing me huge tps drop
golden gust
the server sleeps between ticks
oversleep is where the server slept too long between ticks because it had work to do or something
daring owl
paper is not a performance fork, it's focused on being slow /j
no like a 1.18 paper performace update or smthing
tall flame
what could be the cause of that?
golden gust
your server took too long to tick.
#paper-help and provide timings if you want help with paper
Leaf is working on some of the 1.18 todo list
vernal moth
no like a 1.18 paper performace update or smthing
Paper evolves all the time, there aren't big updates like that, if something will land you will see it in the commits
magic river
no like a 1.18 paper performace update or smthing
Leaf has been working on porting his chunk loading/management patches to 1.18, should make chunks load even faster (but also add a limiter so they don't load too fast)
crystal lilyBOT
magic river
You probably won't notice a difference there unless you have 100+ players or something
vernal moth
Poor clients just can't handle leafs speed
golden gust
the joy of it all
Like, theres always a bottleneck somewhere
at least with leaf around, it's not on our side 😄
magic river
Let it be known that leaf finishes too fast
vernal moth
at least with leaf around, it's not on our side 😄
- looks at the PR queue *
Yep, no bottlenecks on our side - Runs *
magic river
I know it wouldn't ever happen because it's hard to stay on a task like that but if you consider all the effort put in to fixing Mojang code, restructuring it to allow API, and porting all of those things to new versions it probably would have been easier to write a new server
The problem is you would have to do all of that up front before you had anything people wanted to use and no one can stay on a task for years with no payoff
vernal moth
I disagree, Minecraft is so complex, it's impossible to reimplement in a way that makes players happy
golden gust
The issue is all the undoc'd behavior
there being no real source of truth for how stuff works
and, clean room basically being a load of bull
magic river
Someone in a wiki or a youtube video or an example build has figured out basically all of that behavior
golden gust
Like, if you ignore all the legal issues, like, there could be some merits there if you're able to spend your time analysing all of the server code
issue is collating all that knowledge, like, the unofficial official MC wiki has meh info in some areas
magic river
The main problem is even if you were paying me I wouldn't work on a project for 5+ years without having anything useful
golden gust
but, at least, the big issue is that legal thing
take glowstone for example, it's an interesting idea to just start from scratch, even if they picked the wrong API there
but, your primary dev market there can't even touch your project
vernal moth
You can get use out it before it's 100%. First for lobby servers, then for minigame servers, etc
magic river
If you focused on MVP for minigames you'd end up never getting past minigames since they'd be your only users and drive all your feature requests, bug reports, PRs, and probably even funding
Look at the servers people use for minigames 😛
mcserver or whatever they call it these days
cuberite
daring owl
any reason why my log would start like this, it seems very incomplete
does it reset at midnight
golden gust
rollover
daring owl
rip my logs
golden gust
(so, basically, yes)
magic river
You should have some server-2022-01-15.log.gz file or something similar
daring owl
o
magic river
And one for every day the server has run
tall flame
is it true that adding more vcore improves the server?
magic river
3 is probably enough, unless you have a ton of players
tall flame
30+
magic river
Or your players like to fly around all the time
tall flame
ohh yah they like
magic river
But that won't slow the server down, just slow them down
More cores will mean chunks can load faster (until you're IO bound reading from the disk) but it won't improve your TPS
tall flame
i see thank you
magic river
Check your CPU usage when things slow down, if you aren't 80%+ on all 3 cores adding more won't do much
magic river
80%+ on all 3 cores would be 240%+ on that chart
tall flame
so im only using 30%+?
tall flame
so adding more wont do anything?
magic river
If you run top or htop or something from a shell you could tell for sure
tall flame
how is that
tall flame
im using a hosting service
magic river
htop will
tall flame
how do i run for a shell
magic river
I guess just assume they're measuring the same way top does then
Which means if anything you could get away with going down to 2 vcore
turbid lotus
how 120% cpu usage is possible?!?!?!
turbid lotus
it's literally like i have 1 pie and i ate 1 pie and 2 pieces
64 of 1 cpu's are in the trash can
lmao
floral knot
@slim nymph Sorry for tag, we have a serious problem with your timings service, can I talk to you in DM ?
vernal moth
whats the nature of the problem?
if its a bug, explain here or open one on github
if its an exploit or security issue, #869651180698099732
floral knot
its about blocking our ip range from services
its not a connection problem because i tested timings.aikar.co with same network
golden gust
theres like, one region blocked afaik
turbid lotus
xii is a g
golden gust
and, basically, that's unlikely to change due to the constant abuse
floral knot
we have 2 virtual dedicated servers with same networks, one of them can reach timings.aikar.co and another one can't
just different ips
golden gust
would need to see what aikar says, but, afaik theres only one set of blocks and that was more a regional one against some rando host which was flooding him more or less but 🤷♂️
that may have changed since I last heard though, so 🤷♂️
floral knot
are the IPs in a block?
I don't know your meaning for "block", but its like x.x.x.68 and x.x.x.69
vernal moth
yeah then its not an issue on our end
floral knot
would need to see what aikar says, but, afaik theres only one set of blocks and ...
We didn't flood anywhere but thanks for help, I'll wait for Aikar's answer too.
golden gust
never said you did...
golden gust
as I said, the only bans I know of is an ip range ban
vernal moth
thats why its unlikely its an issue on our end, especially if another service in the same IP subnet works
if in doubt, format the server 🤷
golden gust
.68 working and .69 not would not be part of the range ban that last I knew was in place
that's probably a network config issue on your side but 🤷♂️
floral knot
ok, thanks
void void
gifs and shitty memes go in #gifs-and-memes
turbid lotus
ok
jagged widget
this has been annoying me for way too long*, how tf do i move that 8gb to the main partition
golden gust
if disk edit doesn't let you do it, fire up gparted, but, er, "maintain backups" 🤷♂️
jagged widget
if disk edit doesn't let you do it, fire up gparted, but, er, "maintain backups"...
yeah imma just do that im not bothered with diskman in windows its sotrashy, but dont worry i will be sure to "maintain backups" 👍
ashen cliff
if disk edit doesn't let you do it, fire up gparted, but, er, "maintain backups"...
Would take like years to move it.
jagged widget
is an ssd tho
neofetch from an arch vm i made to prepare myself for doing it on the real pc
worn ember
i'm just waiting for my ios vm to boot eventually
jagged widget
i'm just waiting for my ios vm to boot eventually
wtf
worn ember
i have an ios final tomorrow so gotta do something 
jagged widget
also you know that arch has an installer built in now right <@!53415295808713526...
u talking about pacstrap or something else
void void
best @twin lagoon
void void
jagged widget
i might give it a go but using pacstrap was fairly simple enough
twin lagoon
pacstrap is not an installer
jagged widget
i meant using pacstrap + manually doing other stuff
golden gust
both methods work and end up getting you to the same space more or less
arch-install is just a somewhat more opinionated way to get there and can install stuff using better decisions than you might, which, especiall for a desktop, eeer...
frank otter
making bad decisions when installing arch is the entire fun of arch
also making bad decisions while using it
bad decisions in general is the fun of arch
worn ember
is that what your mom tells herself at night?
vernal moth
Using a server OS for a desktop is always a bad decision
worn ember
golden gust
it always scares me
vernal moth
All Linux are equal to me
worn ember
maybe they'll merge into one at some point
granite flax
oh what the fuck did the archlinux wiki do
New mediawiki skin
Wikipedia will look like that soon
frank otter
okay, mini
wait is arch not a server os
why didn't someone tell me this before I used it on my server for like upwards of two years now
worthy geode
I don't really like the new Vector skin tbh. Timeless looks so much better, I don't get why they are trying to improve vector instead of using timeless
twin lagoon
@lavish compass 
solar yew
Im confused, what's the difference between waterfall and velocity?
vernal moth
They are different projects with similar goals
solar yew
Ok
vernal moth
Velocity is waterfall without bungee cord
Basically better in every way, but has a different API so you need different plugins
void void
that is, assuming it doesn't get delayed :p
twin lagoon
realistically, 2027
void void
pre-alpha in 2027*
solar yew
I guess I'll just make a sh script that wget's mediafire links or something
twin lagoon
mediafire
untold copper
turbid lotus
balls
lavish compass
@twin lagoon
void void
wait is arch not a server os
as an arch user, no, it's not
i prefer debian for servers
void void
may god have mercy on your server
golden gust
we had arch as like, the server OS for paper for a good while
idk what the current server is using
has some pros and some cons
you'd defo be shot for suggesting it for any environment you care about, but, like, er...
I mean, it worked fine, for the most part
frank otter
this is my server neofetch, as because im an arch user i legally have to post one whenever someone asks about my server https://up.tesscat.me/tAsAsLin92To
wish they still made thinkpads like that
lavish compass
I wouldn't say arch is perfect for servers
it's a rolling release, which can be more unstable than other stable/lts ones
frank otter
hey it works on my machine, so i'm fine with it
apart from the pacman -Syu roulette
will it reboot? will it error? will it fry itself? who knows!
lavish compass
I do use arch on my machine, although yes pacman -Syu is a roulette
frank otter
if you have a gambling addiction install arch linux
turbid lotus
this is my server neofetch, as because im an arch user i legally have to post on...
wow
you have a gpu
frank otter
wait i didn't notice that
oh i do have a gpu
my server gpu might be better than my desktop one
exotic vine
mossy vessel
Check its documentation/plugin page?
golden gust
Hello... random, person
frank otter
did it ever begin
waxen panther
who ru
frank otter
nobody particularly important
waxen panther
k
golden gust
also the only one
so, it's like, you know
they may be the best cubxity
but, they're also the worse
lavish compass
lavish compass
also the only one
there are multiple imposters in tommy's disc
golden gust
if I put a "potatis" sign on, does that make me a potatis?
I don't think so
Thus, imposter != real cubxity
thus, you are the only one that actually exists
thus, still applies
quasi valley
ur a potato, that’s all
golden gust
thus, eat poop
turbid lotus
1.12.2 paper server is not working?
easy solution: quit minecraft and dont disturb staff about it
golden gust
👍
golden gust
frank otter
it seems potatisnot is not
golden gust
sounds like you need some distilled potatis juice
warm ivy
magic river
Well that was weird, when I tried to switch servers in discord half the window stopped responding to clicks and the razer synapse program started taking 100% CPU
golden gust
Razer go brrr
magic river
Killing synapse didn't fix discord, I could switch to every server below paper and go to the home screen but all the servers in between couldn't be clicked on
And half my channel list couldn't be clicked either
thin cedar
Good evening !
I would like some suggestions for me to improve my server.
I would like to know which fork is most recommended to use in bungecord and which would be better for the main server and lobby, can anyone help me with this?
twin lagoon
ideally, velocity
other than that, waterfall
oh you're looking for server software, you're in a paper discord, use paper
thin cedar
I currently use the paper in the main svs (Lobbby and RankUP)
But now I'm going to configure the bungecord and I'm learning what would be the best option to use it
They recommended the velocity for bunge
daring gulch
Yo. I'd recommend lowering both viewdistance and simulation distance quite a lot. Remove viewdistancetweaks (it's just a poor concept), then add fartherviewdistance and use the plugin to push 31 viewdistance.
timber shell
Guys i have a question, ik this server about MythicCraft things, but i think you all know much about console programming. Well, my friend set minecraft ticks on 24000 (standart 3) after all world crashed, and we have no idea how to put all back, im cant join world, but our server is loaded on the host, maybe someone knows how to put the tick value back by 3 or somt?
void void
trailer minecraft
warm anchor
Guys i have a question, ik this server about MythicCraft things, but i think you...
If server is online, just run the commend on console?
warm anchor
Also #paper-help @timber shell
timber shell
oh k
daring owl
is there a like LivingEnity#Nerf or like something like that to make nerf mobs like the same way you can change mobs that come from spawners
magic river
You'll have to edit the NBT to change the gamerule while the server is shut down, if it freezes on start due to ticking too much
Or delete the world
Can't remember if that's in level.dat or a separate file
daring owl
someone else nvm
magic river
I don't think there is an API for nerfing mobs like that but if you look at the patch you should see what flag it's setting to do so
You'll have to do it manually
daring owl
I don't think there is an API for nerfing mobs like that but if you look at the ...
is that like an nbt tag or like nms stuff
magic river
Probably nms stuff
warm anchor
either lower your entity count or reduce maximum amount of player
unkempt drift
ok, anyone know how I might disable this odd (to me) hold right click to open a context menu, and then drag (while holding) to select an option?
(on linux btw)
I can't seem to find it in kde's mouse settings, and it seems there are a ton of options for libinput properties to set via xinput and so I'm a little lost
crimson haven
Does anybody know what happens if you publish a plugin on spigot that requires Paper? Do they care?
waxen panther
Hangar releases
waxen panther
i aint no w*b dev
magic river
red timber
kotlin/js? scala js? haskell transpiled to js? elm???
no, we had to get another language
sheesh
magic river
iirc this one started life as a scheme or ML and grew into a JS thing later
limber knotBOT
just use rust smh
magic river
Damn, was about to say I think it used to be called Reason
red timber
oh wait yea?
magic river
It was a compile to OCaml language to begin with I think
Then it became a compile to OCaml or JavaScript language
Now I guess it's just JS and got a new name
ancient bolt
https://rescript-lang.org/
I have a lot of questions
Every ReScript app is fully typed and provides reliable type information for any given value in your program. We prioritize simpler types over complex types for the sake of clarity and easy debugability. No
any, no magic types, no surpriseundefined.
main question is "how"
magic river
I think a part of it is being less compatible with JavaScript stuff
ancient bolt
ah
magic river
TypeScript is crazy complex because it tries to provide type support for all the stupid shit you can do in JS
Pretty sure ReScript supports like 80% of that and tells you to knock off the bullshit for the rest 😄
magic river
Oh yeah, ReScript skips that too
ancient bolt
I...hate that JS exists
magic river
You can't just feed it JS and have it handle it, this is a completely different language
magic river
I've never used it, it just looks really fun to use
ancient bolt
I think the syntax looks bad but I like rust so I can't talk
magic river
You can do react things with it and I think they either rewrote or created adapters for MUI
They're both based on OCaml
(Rust and ReScript)
ancient bolt
I assume you can define external type bindings?
that's what dart was originally - and it failed spectacularly
magic river
Yeah
ancient bolt
if they wanted real adoption they'd be compatible with typescript type bindings
but doesn't sound like they can support that type system anyways
magic river
The real challenge of it is a bit of a catch-22
It's a niche language so it's hard to get devs for it but that ensures it stays a niche language
ancient bolt
the fact that the web runs on JS is a curse that we'll never be able to fix
magic river
People also always worry these things are going to turn out like dart or coffeescript
TypeScript at least has the escape hatch of the compiler spitting out basically the same code you feed it, just without types
ancient bolt
TS is the best option we have so far
magic river
I don't even type check my TS that often anymore though
If IntelliJ doesn't catch the error my build system won't either
ancient bolt
but TS developers tend to be ex-JS developers, so they just keep writing the same shit
magic river
I think I have the CI do it, can't remember
ancient bolt
worst-case they just default to any. Best case they actually take the time to write out the types they expect and it because unimaginably complex and incomprensible
need some way to beat into their heads that simple is better, and a few extra characters of code for better clarity is a good thing, not bad
but it's no use
magic river
Oh yeah we had a guy that didn't know how to write types and such at all but would come to me asking for help with things that ended up involving conditional types and shit
Because he wanted to take his existing structure and add type safety to it
ancient bolt
but JS devs are bad and are truly their own breed of programmer
magic river
But his existing structure looked like someone was trying to win an obfuscated code contest
To be fair he was mainly a Perl programmer 😄
ancient bolt
sometimes completely unaware of what actual sane tooling is...
that's possibly worse
my favorite thing about web development is how often they "come up with" and "invent" crazy "new ideas" that have been around for decades
but I'm a mean old man who wants everyone off his yard so, take that how you will
magic river
At least we're migrating our tooling away from JS now
It's all written in Rust and Go instead 😄
Hell parcel's new CSS processor actually uses the same crates Firefox does for parsing CSS
Some day WASM will get GC support (or foreign roots or whatever they call it) and efficient DOM support and then we can pretend JS doesn't exist
marble lark
biggest downside of TS is that it's compatible with JS
i mean the official typescript compiler compiles to javascript
not a surprise that it's compatible
marble lark
but JS devs are bad and are truly their own breed of programmer
honestly you can't really blame them either, that's more the fault of javascript's weirdness than anything else
daring owl
lag machine go brrr
jagged widget
neofetch from an arch vm i made to prepare myself for doing it on the real pc
one day later, im messaging inside of discord in arch linux on my real pc
neat oyster
one day later, im messaging inside of discord in arch linux on my real pc
no wae
ur a monster
jagged widget
legally obligated neofetch fromt he real pc
mortal summit
what does ignore-vanilla-permissions do in commands.yml?
warm anchor
If does literally what the name says
mortal summit
so that means if its true anybody can use any command?
ive had a very tiring day please just tell me what it does
void void
worthy geode
Tbf ignore-vanilla-permissions is not documented anywhere.
But usually there is no reason to touch that setting
magic river
Holy shit new SAO Abridged episode
magic river
jagged widget
bro im trying to install this thing in arch https://github.com/lawl/NoiseTorch and it is annoying me way to much
foggy veldt
I see arch I post meme https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/555469074080202765/915865633810436116/image0.jpg
hearty spear
Upgraded my Xbox one S
It had the stock crappy HDD
Had a Samsung SSD I wasn't using
Microsoft makes it a royal pain to replace hard drives
With a PS3 or ps4
Ez
Just put a new drive and use a recovery USB
But with an Xbox you need to pre partition the drive
Then use a recovery USB
jagged widget
9 messages < 1 big message
jagged widget
bro im trying to install this thing in arch https://github.com/lawl/NoiseTorch a...
i spent like 3 hours on this dang thing, i just found an aur package for it and used yay now its installed properly... fml
hearty spear
9 messages < 1 big message
I'm on mobile it sucks
void void
Do I need JDK for PaperMC and plugins or is JRE enough for it?
void void
thanks!
pallid edge
The new Paper forums look really slick. Have you considered adding a proper xenforo resource plugin to its resource section until Hangar releases? Like a temporary resource place
golden gust
no
hangar is getting closer to release, just, one "major" thing left
tossing cash towards a resource plugin which will be yeeted within the next few months just seems dumb
pallid edge
Oh nice that makes sense. Didn't know that!
That one major thing is the auth stuff, right?
golden gust
well, theres still many little things but it's only one major thing, being the design, which is stopping us right now releasing it in a "beta" state where we can start collecting feedback, etc, on it
pallid edge
Ah I see. Are you gonna make the design similar to the new Paper forums, or will it mostly be like the current staging site?
golden gust
🤷♂️
void void
How much RAM is required for 10-20 players in a server with 7 chunk distance? (12 chunk no-tick distance)
warm anchor
When in doubt give 10G
void void
okay, I gave 10G thanks!
austere barn
where can I ask about how to make a pom.xml file?
warm wharf
where can I ask about how to make a pom.xml file?
What are you coding with (software)?
warm wharf
Intel J, Eclipse etc?
austere barn
just gedit
magic river
gedit isn't an IDE 😛
austere barn
yes but for small things is it necessary to use eclipse or intellij?
warm wharf
Yea,
magic river
Generally you make pom files the same way you make Makefiles: find a project that has one, copy it, and figure out what bits you need to change to make it work for your stuff
warm wharf
for any kinds of Java Plugins, all devs use IntelliJ
magic river
I've never seen someone sit down and actually learn a build system
warm wharf
^ waste of time imo.
magic river
Well, I suppose I have seen a few, they write gradle plugins or work on gradle 😄
warm wharf
You'd just be better using IntelliJ and learning yourself
magic river
That is a complex project, it has multiple submodules
You probably don't need that, find a simpler one
golden gust
when you get to multi-proj, the files get more complex and you generally need to know a bit more
magic river
https://github.com/Gecolay/GSit/blob/master/core/pom.xml would probably work to copy
golden gust
otherwise, at least especially for starting, you just copy a pom file from a simple project
magic river
If you used IntelliJ I'd say use the mcdev plugin and it'll generate a project boilerplate for you, including build system
warm wharf
^
austere barn
i'm trying to build this but it doesn't have any maven or gradle file
https://github.com/NukerFall/Jails
now i've tried to make a pom file from the gsit pom, is it ok the file?
https://hatebin.com/rseioigdlp
linux@desktop:~/Downloads/Jails$ mvn compile [ERROR] Error executing Maven. [ERROR] java.lang.IllegalStateException: Unable to load cache item [ERROR] Caused by: Unable to load cache item [ERROR] Caused by: Could not initialize class com.google.inject.internal.cglib.core.$MethodWrapper
magic river
I don't think your artifactId can have spaces and special characters in it
golden gust
but, er, for existing projects, converting to a build system is create simple pom. i.e. from above
magic river
And you're missing dependencies
golden gust
move files around to cater towards the layout of the maven
e.g. resources folder, etc
find what libs are missing and add them, etc
magic river
You kept the repos but removed the things that use them
austere barn
they told me at another discord that it doesn't have dependencies the project
golden gust
I mean
bukkit
or spigot or whatever, is a dependency
but I mean, cool, that saves you like, 1 layer of BS for converting a random project towards maven
magic river
I think the directory structure of that repo is wrong for what maven wants too
austere barn
what is the equivalent of this link for bukkit?
https://hub.spigotmc.org/nexus/content/groups/public/
golden gust
well
given that bukkit is dead
you, erm, use spigots fork of that stuff
thus, the spigot repo
austere barn
it seems to use bukkit
magic river
You should probably just install IntelliJ, add the mcdev plugin, get it to generate a new plugin project, and copy bits from that jails project in where they would fit
austere barn
`package me.NukerFall.Jails;
import java.io.File;
import java.io.IOException;
import java.util.UUID;
import org.bukkit.Bukkit;
import org.bukkit.GameMode;
import org.bukkit.Location;
import org.bukkit.command.CommandSender;
import org.bukkit.configuration.file.FileConfiguration;
import org.bukkit.configuration.file.YamlConfiguration;
import org.bukkit.entity.Player;
import me.NukerFall.Jails.Utils.Utils;`
golden gust
Once again
austere barn
You should probably just install IntelliJ, add the mcdev plugin, get it to gener...
oh
austere barn
yes
magic river
Otherwise you need to move things around
austere barn
so I need to replace everything with spigot?
golden gust
I mean
spigot is a fork of bukkit
and, well, spigot maintains their own fork of bukkit
magic river
src/main/java/me/NukerFail/Jail.java, src/main/resources/plugin.yml, etc
golden gust
so, you just need to depend on a recent version of bukkit or spigot-api or whatever
austere barn
ok, thanks, gonna try it
twin lagoon
void void
Is sync-chunk-writes forcibly disabled on Paper?
golden gust
yes
flint flare
does anyone know a plugin to send afk players to a limbo server
like in hypixel when do you stay afk?
void void
what happened to no-tick-view-distance?
twin lagoon
simulation-distance & view-distance in server.properties
void void
simulation-distance & view-distance in server.properties
so if I set simulation distance to 7 and view distance to 12, it will work like view distance=7 and no-tick-view-distance=12, right?
twin lagoon
yes
quasi valley
Here's a better one
twin lagoon
shut it weeb
magic river
ashen cliff
If leaf wakes up.
mossy vessel
https://i.imgur.com/z82qPNy.png forgot why I installed the extension to compress large non svgs :P
magic river
Leaf has a branch, I think he is still mostly replacing the vanilla system but keeping the vanilla config
twin lagoon
@lavish compass best cubxity .
magic river
And changing his system so it works like the vanilla one
ashen cliff
I assume its related to the one config thing?
magic river
iirc his didn't send any block updates for no-tick chunks?
foggy veldt
https://eternity.community/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/ViewDistance-2.png
Did leaf ever wake up
magic river
Half way 😛
foggy veldt
Oh wait the joke was already made runs
neat oyster
lavish compass
@twin lagoon best michael .
foggy veldt
He has risen 
olive marlin
@twin lagoon who needs pods in k8s, am I right? https://github.com/kcp-dev/kcp
twin lagoon
bruh
jagged widget
how do i get essentials economy with nothing else, and i mean nooothing else
golden gust
you can't, basically
jagged widget
is there any other economy plugin to use instead
golden gust
Like, you can disable most stuff usin perms, etc
but, if you just want the eco thing, get an eco plugin?
I think somebody had a fork of craftconomy3 that was maintained
jagged widget
is wanna use economyshopgui, but dont want all of the bloat that comes with essentialsx
lavish compass
<@215448923681062913> who needs pods in k8s, am I right? <https://github.com/kcp...
🤨 interesting concept but also weird
jagged widget
I think somebody had a fork of craftconomy3 that was maintained
do you know what i could search to find that?
golden gust
don't mention
see the network view on the cc3 git repo, i guess
I do think it was phoenix who had it but 🤷♂️
left swift
I dont like all the bloat of essentialsX so I use CMI instead
lavish compass
I dont like all the bloat of essentialsX so I use CMI instead
CMI is more bloated than Essentials...
left swift
what no way
jagged widget
see the network view on the cc3 git repo, i guess
only thing i could find was https://github.com/greatman/craftconomy3 and it seems, uhh, very old, and i really dont know my way around github
jagged widget
https://github.com/Phoenix616/craftconomy3
oooo nice, dyk if it works with 1.18
jagged widget
k ill test it out
violet grotto
If I'm going to host a minecraft server, is the difference between dedicated and shared worth the cost?
Now I'm looking at dedicated 4gb being $30 while shared is $20
violet grotto
Linode
violet grotto
oh
twin lagoon
avoid cloud hosting, just take a shared host like bloomhost
jagged widget
i'd recommend oracle just cause its free and ridiculously good but keep very frequent off-site backups
twin lagoon
i'd avoid oracle just cause people have to recommend to keep very frequent off-site backups
and because it's oracle
jagged widget
If I'm going to host a minecraft server, is the difference between dedicated and...
i dont think it would really make mucha difference
violet grotto
Preferably one in SEA, America and EU servers have too high ping from my location
how'd you find bloom host?
My google is clogged with those annoying hosts that think 1gb is still enough to run minecraft
golden gust
https://bloom.host, iirc
left swift
lol cat
violet grotto
Nah as in how'd you realise that that company exists
I didn't know a host was ever that cheap
golden gust
oh
violet grotto
anything I google comes out like 1.5x that price for much less
golden gust
erm, they where kinda active around somewhere and people started recommending them or something
violet grotto
ouh
golden gust
much of the good hosts operate in some reasonable form in the community itself, given, you know
ideally if you wanna offer a service for something you wanna be familiar with the service
jagged widget
i'd avoid oracle just cause people have to recommend to keep very frequent off-s...
for someone like me who has like no money, oracle cloud, as shitty as a company they are, provide insane free tiers at the risk of reliability, i haven't had any problems but some people say it starts like a month in
left swift
I dont know of any SEA hosts maybe ask in syscraft but do ur due diligence on any host they recommend
twin lagoon
how'd you find bloom host?
they have a reputation
bloomhost & dedicatedmc are the ones i'd recommend
golden gust
I mean, oracle cloud is really just hit and miss over if they need the capacity apparently
twin lagoon
extravm might do for you in SEA
golden gust
e.g. so long as theres capacity you should still be fine
but, I'd be surprised if they didn't have mechanisms for yeeting accounts if you don't visit their pretty panel often or something stupid
jagged widget
what is your guys' opinion on thebreakdown (yt'er)
left swift
if your host has big risk of reliability you're doing it very wrong lol
atleast you aren't wasting money, just ur time
jagged widget
atleast you aren't wasting money, just ur time
i'd rather waste time than use minehut or, god forbid, aternos
left swift
or invest in a decent server?
twin lagoon
alternatively just get a job
left swift
just get money
twin lagoon
no that's different
left swift
u equated being homeless to not being able to get a minecraft server
jagged widget
no, i equated the principle behind the two statements as being similar, in a form of exaggeration
left swift
shut up brocc
waxen panther
golden gust
I mean, if you're running a server, you're gonna need a cash flow
twin lagoon
if you're able to talk on discord, have a computer/phone & internet connectivity
left swift
golden gust
just the real world there
twin lagoon
the abiltiy to lose $20 a month isn't unreasonable
and can't be compared to homeless
jagged widget
pretty much lmao
violet grotto
ye
jagged widget
👍 advice taken, i shall get job
violet grotto
I just don't really know if the thing will live for long, so I don't wanna sink in yet
left swift
if you dont think it will it wont
warm anchor
Good luck getting one in SEA
violet grotto
if you dont think it will it wont
mm ye true