steel nexus
whats up my favorite people
#general
potent fossil
I mean, ask a question
waxen panther
sez u
swift root
Introduction
There's no one way to learn programming, as there's no one way to learn full stop. You should try different mediums and sources, however by far -- for programming in particular -- the best way to learn is to DO, not sit passively and absorb, or read a textbook and take notes, apply what you are learning, as you're learning.
If you want to learn how to make plugins, learn how to make them, but learning Java first is akin to learning English before learning how to write a Novel, it's rather intrinsic to the beast at hand, remember that making the plugin is the MOTIVATION for learning Java, and that you can then apply the Java you have learned at each step of the way in making said plugin.
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University of Helsinki's Massive Open Course on Java Programming (https://www.mooc.fi/en/) The subdomain changes YOY so just click the link for Introduction to Programming there. The course is in English, not Finnish.
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The Official Oracle Java Tutorials: https://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/java/concepts/index.html These are more of a guide for programmers who aren't Java programmers yet, and are based on Java 8 a version which is missing a significant amount of features from the version in use today (Java 17)
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Paid Udemy Course by Tim Buchalkda (Excellent, High Quality and Uses Intellij) https://www.udemy.com/course/java-the-complete-java-developer-course/
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Github Education Pack: If you're a student in Highschool, College or equivalent you can pick up a bunch of free developer resources including an Intellij Ultimate License, for the time you are a student.
https://education.github.com/ -
Unofficial Java Discord: These guys will provide you with adequate Java programming support which isn't related to Minecraft (although they do often get and answer Minecraft-related things)
Other Resources:
potent fossil
wow larry spamming
swift root
Books and Other Resources:
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Introduction to Programming in Java: An Interdisciplinary Approach (Kevin Wayne and Robert Sedgewick)
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Algorithms, 4th Edition (Robert Sedgewick and Kevin Wayne)
The above two are often used by universities in their Intro to CS courses, and are developed by two Princeton University Lectures, they're alright but can be a bit of a slog -
Introduction to Programming Using Java, Eighth Edition https://math.hws.edu/javanotes/
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Learning Processing: A Beginner's Guide to Programming Images, Animation, and Interaction (Daniel Shiffman)
This last one isn't about Java as much as it's about Processing, but Processing is an excellent way to get your hands dirty with real Java -
JetBrains: JetBrains offers an Academy course on learning Java here https://lp.jetbrains.com/academy/learn-java/
waxen panther
potent fossil
- Unofficial Java Discord: These guys will provide you with adequate Java programming support which isn't related to Minecraft (although they do often get and answer Minecraft-related things)
LARRY, THERE IS NO LINK
swift root
No link!
magic river
waxen panther
my community manager
swift root
Rían, who is no longer here, wrote that for syscraft
potent fossil
anyway can we get all that spam as a slash command
swift root
I think it's a mega good resource
potent fossil
ur a mega good resource ❤️
swift root
UwU
swift root
Introduction
There's no one way to learn programming, as there's no one way to l...
@steel nexus read here for info
potent fossil
i guess javafx has fxml which, at least from the little i know, would be similar to qml
so, whatever
guess it'll be fine
swift root
how do i make array @ larry
Easily
waxen panther
😀
ashen nacelle
true canyon
🥳
magic river
Phew, I made it
Had to go to the bathroom before midnight so I don't bring 2021's shit in to the new year
foggy silo
Have fun y’all!! Happy New Years
left swift
@waxen panther I'm going to be leaving, it's not you, you were poggers. it's me. I'm omegalul and weirdge. see you next year pog
I'll be back next year
also ur cringe + L
silver nexus
Happy new year central time zone
potent fossil
also lost the temperature lottery
viscid wedge
this is ten degrees warmer than it was this morning
magic river
Jesus are you on Hoth or something?
viscid wedge
Canada
magic river
Wait it's -17 C here, nevermind
potent fossil
its 8 for me right now and even that is too fucking cold so no thx
cedar zenith
What are the problems of a cracked servers?
silver nexus
all of them
viscid wedge
Last year we hit -50° C
potent fossil
Gross
viscid wedge
And work wants me to move somewhere even colder!
magic river
In February we made it to -33 C, I think that's the record
viscid wedge
Late January is when we get the worst of it typically
It started being this cold in early December, which is uncommon
marble lark
i doubt they'll ban you for quoting someone don't worry haha
coarse lily
Depends on the quote I guess.
potent fossil
paper is not a free country
viscid wedge
Can't and shouldn't quote racism
potent fossil
i have no idea who said anything about that but indeed
marble lark
Can't and shouldn't quote racism
I got banned after quoting someone saying the n word lmao
someone got banned in vc and I think someone else joined and asked what they were banned for
dumbass me proceeded to quote what the banned guy said word for word
golden gust
I mean
auto banned
Because surprise that discord server with more than a few dozen people has a ban filter on the N word cos children love coming to spam it
potent fossil
but also why quote that word for word in any case
golden gust
it's not like the N word ain't easy to convey without using the N word
Like, if we ask for info we're not gonna boot if you spill the beans, but, common sense dictates here that if you say stupid shit, especially on a discord where they routinely deal with people spamming that shit, it's gonna auto boot
potent fossil
I'm gonna auto boot you
gleaming galleon
How to update plugins 
golden gust
er, depends on context
from server owner, delete old jar, upload new one, make sure to check release notes etc as some plugins can require manual steps
gleaming galleon
Ok thanks
marble lark
but also why quote that word for word in any case
dumbass me
potent fossil
k
golden gust
SAY IT WITH YOUR CHEST!
potent fossil
K
marble lark
SAY IT WITH YOUR CHEST!
piss
golden gust
marble lark
PISS
golden gust
One downside of not having a TV to laze about with is that you miss just sitting down lurking around and tuning into comedy central for some 2 and a half, or the random comedy show (repeats)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QS0q3mGPGg - This is like, 10 years old
viscid wedge
i have no idea who said anything about that but indeed
in response to depends on the quote
potent fossil
Okay I'm now in 2022
Fuck 2021 that shit sucked
Back to regularly scheduled programming 
potent fossil
ripe sphinx
hny pst
potent fossil
it's been 2022 for 7 minutes and people in my town have not yet stopped setting off fireworks
golden gust
thought you where tryna say hunny
potent fossil
p l e a s e s t o p
golden gust
and then I was like, pst? wat
ripe sphinx
lets see how the first week of 2022 goes, given 2021 had a bloody insurrection
potent fossil
stop you'll summon jroy
silver nexus
it's been 2022 for 7 minutes and people in my town have not yet stopped setting ...
it's been 2 hours and they have some how gotten worse here
ripe sphinx
already stopped for me and it's only been 8 minutes
potent fossil
i wish steam had tabs so i could open multiple games store pages at once
grim island
not tabs but hey
right click → copy page url → paste it in chat input field → select it → drag it back into steam window
potent fossil
that's a lot of work
magic river
Middle clicking links opens a new window
potent fossil
im gonna middle click your face
fallen oracle
potent fossil
lol apparently i was given access to copilot but never used it
i wonder if i'd actually like it or if it'd just end up annoying me
hexed dragon
I was using it more when I got access to it but now not really.
terse shard
👋 just noticed the Sponsor role is a thing lol, is there a form to fill to somehow verify my GitHub account?
twin lagoon
@untold meadow BEST kezz
untold meadow
@twin lagoon BEST michael
twin lagoon
untold meadow
potent fossil
what the fuck. now i have to wait until feb 10 for next discovery
im anger!!!!!!!!!!
these mid season breaks 😡
edgy palm
potent fossil
tf is pufferfish
lavish compass
kevin's fork
potent fossil
should i know who that is
lavish compass
not sure... but it's this https://github.com/pufferfish-gg/Pufferfish
lavish compass
lavish compass
airplane patches are also 👌
twin lagoon
the sentry patch i might just yoink
lavish compass
the sentry patch i might just yoink
to which fork 🤔
potent fossil
michale run berry large serburinos, probably to put in teh PRIVATE FORKZ of those.
lavish compass
Lax our beloved
twin lagoon
@warm anchor weeb
lavish compass
@warm anchor weeb
warm anchor
potent fossil
well, this is a fun game
just used air fryer and got me some fried air
works as advertised 
left swift
I love fried air
potent fossil
send reinforcements, i dont think i can do it @left swift
left swift
potent fossil
thank you, i won the fight and acquired vodka
frank otter
did you throw the fried air at the crate
unkempt drift
A Starlink CAT5 vulnerability
golden gust
lol
potent fossil
who would have thought
unkempt drift
Prob outdoor cats to begin with. I’ve got outdoor cats. It’s 1 C rn, and they chilling outside
plucky sparrow
A Starlink CAT5 vulnerability
Why is this not on #adorable-pets
lavish compass
dawn pond
?
lavish compass
lavish compass
just a little bit of trolling
dawn pond
ok good
yea
cause that my friend
is
illegal
if ur doing it to someone else
lol
and so are my typos
i recently downloaded
pterodactyl Its YUM YUM
left swift
plucky sparrow
wow ok
left swift
I did that as a joke ur cringe + L + u fell off + the hood talks to noah
plucky sparrow
I did that as a joke ur cringe + L + u fell off + the hood talks to noah
@ mods??
left swift
plucky sparrow
I’m being harassed by this pokimane fan
potent fossil
same, just livin my life
left swift
dawn pond
you dont fucking need to hit send after every 3 words friend
yea ik just bad habits
potent fossil
no it's called The Kingdom of Loathing
it's a full website based rpg, and it's full of just...amazing bullshit
You may not enter the chat until you have proven yourself literate. You can do so at the Temple of Literacy in the Big Mountains.
rip
Oh god damn it
You try grab the door's tongue with your left hand and turn the doorknob with your right, but you get your parts wrong and end up simultaneously licking and kicking the doorjamb. Neither is effective, though both are entertaining to your senses. You giggle.
You need to focus.
potent fossil
oh cool turns out the door wasn't actually licking me, i just accidentally huffed drugs when i entered the bakery and was hallucinating the whole time and the owner of the bakery is mad at me now
frank otter
can you make the bakery owner huff drugs so you're not licking doors on your own
potent fossil
turns out she was the one who put the drugs there because she was hoping that it would make customers buy more pies
left swift
lul
chrome cosmos
op
upbeat falconBOT
Requested by sharvesh - About 7,800,000 results (0.24 seconds)
potent fossil
correct
chrome cosmos
will check out
potent fossil
left swift
magic robin
left swift
no
neon galleon
is there somewhere i can send report of someone for dming bs
half hawk
left swift
mini is the pencil bot
potent fossil
Got myself a pet mosquito, and he weights 4 pounds https://i.imgur.com/AVda24f.png
quick obsidian
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items.remove(lowerLevel)
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art
potent fossil
void void
then why were the 1.18 channels removed?
golden gust
Because having what effectively turned into 2 support channels was annoying
the builds are mostly stable
red timber
then why were the 1.18 channels removed?
means 1.18 is not supported, you have to go back to 1.8
paperspigot time
/s
daring gulch
Because having what effectively turned into 2 support channels was annoying
Having two support channels is actually useful from a user's pov. It means your questions don't get drowned out as quickly.
left swift
just do what they all do and spam in every channel
worthy geode
tbh I don't think there are that many people needing help, #paper-help is slow enough that questions don't get drowned usually.
Major updates or things like the log4j exploit are an exception ofc
golden gust
if we needed 2 support channels we'd have 2 support channels, OG intent for that channel was to try to contain the flood of 1.18 stuff when it was originally released, now it's calmed down and served no real purpose other than confusing people where to ask for support and increased the number of channels people needed to hop between needlessly given the low volume post the first week or so
worn ember
just go the cv route and have a support channel for every language
golden gust
#paper-dev-best-lang: The ultimate place for support with kotlin for papier pl0g3n development
idky but I sometimes really struggle to write "plugin dev" these days
worn ember
just write mod development
i find the name plugins to be rather weird
if plugins are plugins then mods are also plugins right
mortal breach
sorry idk where to ask this but is there a channel or smth i can ask a question about a plugin that i am looking for but cant find
left swift
hexed dragon
So you did or didn't try it?
mortal breach
So you did or didn't try it?
it was sarcasam, yes i did try it with multiple keywords along with my friend
hexed dragon
Cool
left swift
thanks
left swift
ur excused
crystal compass
fdisk -l
floral mesa
lsblk
golden gust
fdisk is a partition manager, afaik it looks at only 1 device ^
lsblk or cat /proc/partitions
twin lagoon
fdisk -l should show all disks
crystal compass
I think the nvme1n1 is not mounted
floral mesa
looks like an ovh system
floral mesa
no
twin lagoon
raid is never backup
floral mesa
raid is not a backup
worn ember
redundancy
twin lagoon
in your case yes it mirrors the drives
floral mesa
its not a historical backup
crystal compass
that's what I meant
potent panther
Raid is basically a backup system right
combine disks in bigger virtual disk with redundacy if you want
crystal compass
hmm I wonder if ovh will let me add on another drive or something
twin lagoon
what
twin lagoon
hmm I wonder if ovh will let me add on another drive or something
they don't do upgrades
buy a new server basically
crystal compass
ugh
worn ember
if you wanna be fancy about it it literally stands for: Redundant Array of Independent Disks
crystal compass
feels bad, combined with rsnapshot ive used like my entire disk
floral mesa
512GB is good enough for a few medium sized servers
floral mesa
if you want more storage, get a backup server or buy remote storage
crystal compass
well in the case of some fucked up shit happening to the MC server only, yeah
worn ember
have your drive sync with onedrive 
golden gust
part of that I why I love getting machines with 2 SSDs and a spinny
ofc, doesn't replace real backups but is nice to have a local store of them, especially with the joy that is worldedit
worn ember
never enough storage
floral mesa
some larger networks I work for just go with a remote backup server
twin lagoon
i need to buy more ssds
floral mesa
and rsync data
golden gust
well, yea, you really want external backups
golden gust
local disk is good for the oh shit's
floral mesa
you can make rsnapshot faster
worn ember
ye mikel just git gud
floral mesa
one of the major problems with rsnapshot is deleting folders after its done syncing
twin lagoon
yes
floral mesa
you can turn on lazy delete
twin lagoon
already had it on
floral mesa
ah nevermind then
twin lagoon
took 2 hours to back things up
floral mesa
I shortened my backups from 30-40 minutes to 20
worn ember
cat, plz invent the next FS
golden gust
especially on spinnys damn
twin lagoon
i ended up getting rid of the single backup server running rsnapshot and making each dedicated server run backups
crystal compass
so basically buy another server just to rsync backups to 😛
golden gust
btrfs master race
floral mesa
yeah, I opted to use rsnapshot on each server and push it over NFS
I never used rsnapshot on the backup server
worn ember
Doesn't OVH also take backups?
twin lagoon
i always used rsnapshot in a pull configuration
golden gust
No
spare venture
feels bad, combined with rsnapshot ive used like my entire disk
you could reinstall your OS and remove raid
twin lagoon
which works for most
worn ember
oh so now they respect privacy
golden gust
for VPSes they do do some backups iirc
twin lagoon
moving to the cloud worked out better in the end though
golden gust
But, that's only cos it's actually doable there
twin lagoon
costs me $150/yr for 2TB of storage
golden gust
they just take snapshots of the VMs
When am not a broke ass hoe, I really kinda wanna get into cloud storage a bit
floral mesa
ive always opted for push,
golden gust
I often have a ton of shit around on my machine which I really don't need
Like, I've got files from MC servers from like 5 years ago
worn ember
you wanna do a lot of shit dont you cat yet all you do is talk about it 
get off your ass smh
golden gust
literal fucking data horder at times
warm anchor
Make multiple google drive account 
golden gust
Hey, am finally getting to the point where I'm not dead 100% of the time
plucky sparrow
I have files from ages ago
golden gust
Kinda scared about getting a job and then just going through an episode
plucky sparrow
Curiously enough I seem to forget to store the important shit
golden gust
and I just got a fun "send us a CV" yesterday for somewhere apparently in Liverpool
(it's probs gonna be somewhere stupid, I bed)
worn ember
a job is better than no job i suppose
can always look for another one while you're there
golden gust
Oh, actually, is town centre
worn ember
if i get a job offer i'm probably just gonna accept if the terms arent complete ass and at the same time look for something that suits me more
warm anchor
You got this zcat 
golden gust
my big thing is that I really want somewhere that I can actually go into without having to be up at stupid o'clock to do it
get my foot in the door for a year or two and see what shows up \o/
Nice to see that places are opening up doe, for the past 2 years it's basically been as dead af around here unless you're a senior with 10 years in rust dev
warm anchor
Yeah for me 9-5 would suck for me coz I don’t like a set time for stuffs
HOPEFULLY 
2022 will be better
golden gust
avoiding 9-5 would be good but that's more google shit 😄
twin lagoon
weeb
golden gust
I kinda wanna 9-5 for the while just to try and get a schedule set that I gotta force myself to keep
spare venture
tech is definitely the only field where you can avoid working normal hours
golden gust
Not really
golden gust
any field which requires 24/7 operation will let you avoid 9-5
nurses, etc
ofc, those are gonna be the dead hours, however, which, pros and cons
spare venture
oh i thought you mean you don’t like working an 8 hour shift
warm anchor
Most trade job don’t have set hour either
spare venture
yeah that’s why i said plumber
there’s a reason why 1st shift is usually the most desired
working swing, 2nd, 3rd blows haha
warm anchor
9 to 5 is pretty dumb anyway. Let’s put everyone on the road at the same time and let everyone off at the same time too! So we can choke the road!
spare venture
my plant works 2 10 hour shifts a day and it sounds pretty shitty to come in at 4 PM and work until 2 AM
of course i have come in at 6 AM and not left until 10 PM before
Also 9 AM is not early… i do 6-3 and it’s really nice. 9-6 would suck… throwing your entire day away
magic river
9 to 5 is pretty dumb anyway. Let’s put everyone on the road at the same time an...
This is a very American take 😛
warm anchor
crystal compass
would it be acceptable to just buy like a shit kimsufi server to Rsync to
magic river
Why is everyone driving? Where are the buses, trains, and bicycle paths?
warm anchor
Also 9 AM is not early… i do 6-3 and it’s really nice. 9-6 would suck… throwing ...
It would physically kill me if I have to wake up at 6 to work
golden gust
magic river
Or just walking
golden gust
They had their logo over the fucking good one
spare venture
imagine getting off at 6 PM then having a 1 hour commute only to get home at 7-7:30 PM lol
crystal compass
which would be better, rsync with a cheap kimsufi dedi, or using dropbox
twin lagoon
none
warm anchor
Backblaze @crystal compass
spare venture
a vps with lots of storage
twin lagoon
use borg + borgmatic + https://rsync.net/
golden gust
for backups, er
I had a fun issue other day where my fucking HDD disappeared hetzner
power cycled and it's back, but, urgh
crystal compass
o-o
golden gust
if I have to replace that that's gonna be a fucking ballache
crystal compass
hetzner has those good prices for a reason i guess
austere ivy
Why is everyone driving? Where are the buses, trains, and bicycle paths?
speaking as an American: nowhere. they just don’t exist.
(ofc it depends where you live but like, for example, charleston is infamous for being terrible for biking)
golden gust
America really suffers from a bad history of design there
magic river
Pretty much everywhere in the US is terrible for biking
golden gust
e.g. outside of shops, there was a good strong design for keeping places where people work away from places where people live
warm anchor
Bicycle path you mean the pedestrian path or riding with car at 40 mph
magic river
Even places that claim to be good for biking put you in the path of cars
golden gust
Issue is that we're tryna put bikes on the same infra as cars
And, outside of bridges all over the place, am not sure really what all too much else you can do
crystal compass
why not just drive 
austere ivy
yeah even my city which touts bike lanes just chuck ya right alongside cars
austere ivy
why not just drive <:KEKW:750364798059020370>
[everyone is typing]
spare venture
a lot of europe was designed before cars were a thing
magic river
What you can do is take a lane from the cars to build proper barriers between the car path and bike path
spare venture
a lot of america was designed when cars were a thing
warm anchor
What you can do is take a lane from the cars to build proper barriers between th...
We do that here
golden gust
issue there is turning off, etc
magic river
IF that means less parking or this is now a one lane, one way road, then you've probably improved it even more tbh
spare venture
the problem is that shit is really far apart
warm anchor
But it just turn into delivery driver parking spot
crystal compass
ah, up here in canadian land I couldnt imagine not being able to drive lol
especially being -31 celsius and feet of snow everywhere
magic river
Well, sure, you'll always have cars, bikes, and people mix at intersections
golden gust
over in the UK it's kinda rare outside of the more suburban areas to even have a place to park
magic river
No where escapes that
spare venture
i’m not biking 40 mins to get to work when it’s a 10 minute drive
golden gust
Well, yea, but you combine that with the US's facination of grids
warm anchor
You can bike to your bus station wait for 1 hour for a bus ride and then bike from bus stop to your work barty
The American way
magic river
i’m not biking 40 mins to get to work when it’s a 10 minute drive
- You should, it's better for you and the environment, stop being lazy 😛
- You should live closer to work
spare venture
i could also bike to the train station that goes to my work but google says 50 minutes
warm anchor
For some live closer to work means $4000 a month rent
magic river
I own a bike and live in easy walking distance of a "drug store" but I still get things delivered or get rides any time I need things 😛
spare venture
lazy? it’s called i don’t want to waste my time
magic river
So I'm being a hypocrite but that's the True American Way
golden gust
PEDDLE FATTY, PEDDLE!
warm anchor
6 mile isn’t 40 minute barty. You gotta get in shape!
magic river
40 minute bike ride isn't wasting time either
spare venture
golden gust
electric bike go brr
magic river
It's a mix of exercise and a time to decompress
spare venture
waste of time
golden gust
defo something I wanna look into there when I can but, not allowed bikes in the flat and not 100% if I wanna have a bike outside unless I get a proper thing to secure a bike but, urgh...
magic river
It's not thrown away
warm anchor
True!
spare venture
i get enough excercise
magic river
Do you work at a desk?
spare venture
holy fuck
magic river
If you're walking around and carrying stuff all day then maybe you don't need it
Otherwise you probably need it
spare venture
i am at my desk 50% of the time 50% am on the floor, am an engineer. i also work out 1-2 hours every day
magic river
So drop that to 1 hour and ride your bike to work 😄
warm anchor
You can workout 1 hour and bike for another now!
spare venture
i don’t need extra excercise and i don’t need to throw away an extra hour of my life
lol doing cardio is not the same as having an hour in the gym
warm anchor
magic river
No but that hour of cardio is good for the environment and your community too
warm anchor
Idk those cyclist has big thicc thigh
spare venture
i’ll continue doing what i’m doing
warm anchor
No barty let us rip your life apart
magic river
I mean, what do I care? I'll be dead by 2050 anyway
waxen panther
based amaranth
golden gust
So
magic river
If you won't be you should probably care about these things 😛
golden gust
That means that we're good on the can of gas campfire?
waxen panther
warm anchor
magic river
He is really sensitive about this topic
warm anchor
spare venture
no, just sensitive about you thinking you know better than me and doing this whole routine
why not focus on yourself
twin lagoon
waxen panther
i have never seen amaranth be wrong
spare venture
lmao
magic river
Remember the bit where I admitted being a true american aka a hypocrite
warm anchor
magic river
When I lived in Florida I actually did walk or bike everywhere
But here it's literally uphill both ways and I'm too lazy for all that
vocal orchid
Not sure if this is the right place lol, but does anyone know a good chat plugin that handles formatting and swear/add filter?
meager tusk
So drop that to 1 hour and ride your bike to work 😄
God, wish I could ride my bike to anywhere
Thanks Albanian road construction, you rock
crystal compass
hmm, what would yall suggest for my cronjobs with rsync? daily, weekly, monthly?
before I used to use rsnapshot, and had 7 days of backups
it was nice, i would have access to Day0,1,2,3,4,5,6, and it would automatically update them
not sure if I can do that with rsync or not
crystal compass
weren't you guys saying it was much slower or
merry talon
well yeah because it's doing a lot more
slow hull
Hello
twin lagoon
no you should use rsnapshot if you're going to use rsync
slow hull
I've been struggling to understand how to implement the light mask at https://wiki.vg/Chunk_Format. What's the point of it?
magic river
What light mask?
The only mentions of mask in there are for the palette storage and for marking what chunk sections you have data for
If you mean the ones in the packet they do the same thing, mark which sections you have data for
twin lagoon
I KNOW RIGHT
foggy silo
Wait… did they move the priority?
cunning raft
twin lagoon
kashike hates me
cunning raft
there has never been custom roles
foggy silo
😫
left swift
NO COMMUNITY
void void
brocc's overlord role is also gone
left swift
brocc is banned
foggy silo
😩
waxen panther
finally
lament patio
waxen panther
this role icon is ugly
left swift
sometimes it still feels like brocc is messaging here
saying some dumb shit
rip in brocc
waxen panther
i only say very intelligent things in this very serious channel
left swift
@warm anchor how much for a paperchan emote holding a gun
plucky sparrow
brocc looking lovely
waxen panther
😳
warm anchor
void void
ur the lax translator
left swift
void void
there's your weeb translator
magic river
$30? I guess you expect it to take less than an hour then?
waxen panther
you can get 3 for $60 iirc
magic river
The effort for this kind of thing doesn't scale with the number of emotes you have to draw
cunning raft
first they came for vegetabl overlord and i did not speak up because i was not a vegetabl overlord
next they came for old prune, and i did not speak up because i was not a old prune
then they came for biggest taco fan and broke Z750's heart
left swift
shut up boomer
magic river
You can make one and then make variants of it for the rest
warm anchor
Initial designs is most cost go to tbf
cunning raft
!warn @left swift disrespecting staff members
warm anchor
A good emoji is just how simple you can make it while still get the idea through
waxen panther
i would like it to be known that the hilarious message jroy sent is my ( bit )
warm anchor
left swift
jrotc you can confide in me, who idea was it for the role changes. it's me, ur politics buddy
waxen panther
left swift
its ok now
magic river
Does this mean jroy some moderator will stop renaming brocc too?
cunning raft
jrotc you can confide in me, who idea was it for the role changes. it's me, ur p...
i don't know who you are
magic river
Since we're being all serious now
waxen panther
i think we should all name ourselves our full birth names too
warm anchor
No. Renaming brocco is part of essential job of J*oy’s task
cunning raft
im paid hourly for it
waxen panther
it's the only thing jroy does in papermc 😀
noahs here, no one use emotes or he'll steal em 
magic river
That reminds me, when I give people in the south my full name they start calling me "Travis Lee"
Apparently down there that's the kind of middle name they say out loud
Like Jim Bob or Carly Rae 😛
Hey guys I have a great idea for storing datetimes, lets use a Java int and store them as YYMMDDhhmm
warm anchor
Couldn’t be Microsoft
void void
you should go work at microsoft!
twin lagoon
meager tusk
Mich ale
warm anchor
magic river
You're right, the overly cropped low quality one with the shit framerate looks better
warm anchor
You're right, the overly cropped low quality one with the shit framerate looks b...
Blame discord. It was a work to get it working
waxen panther
lol
left swift
u like brocc
dawn pond
are you in love
me trying to keep up with paper builds
paper posting 100 builds a day
twin lagoon
👍
cunning ridge
is there no way to have support for 1.7 to 1.18
warm anchor
Why would you want to shoot your self in the foot
magic river
The best way to do that is to take a 1.7 server and add support for newer protocols to it
But you're 100% on your own there
cunning ridge
yeah I can expect that, just was wondering if travertine was still a thing but since there is no download I assume not
true canyon
And you're missing half a dozen years of cool features.
magic river
Easier to just support new clients but not new features rather than have both and then try to make them compatible with old stuff
golden gust
travertine is dead
true canyon
long live travertine!
golden gust
as per the announcement, the fact that it's on the legacy page, etc
magic river
Wasn't travertine a bungeecord thing?
golden gust
velocity supports 1.7.x, iirc
cunning ridge
never saw an announcement sorry
golden gust
Yea, was a waterfall fork
magic river
proxies already support every version ever
They're just proxies, they don't care too much about the protocol
rare tiger
The best way to do that is to take a 1.7 server and add support for newer protoc...
hypickle moment
magic river
They have like 6 packets they need to care about
meager tusk
How is Balkon in 2022.
Bro, it's great.
rare tiger
yeeees use protocol translation plugins wait what do you mean there's ghost blocks everywhere
golden gust
hypickles servers don't even speak minecraft
left swift
weekly hypixel talk 
rare tiger
you spelled hypickle wrong lmao 😔
golden gust
I believe hypickle is really only for the OGs
left swift
nothing
twin lagoon
@static badge is a french canadian tsun
dawn pond
I learned how to install pterodactyl today
rare tiger
they call me the PC Optimizer Pro
_ _
_ _
wait what do you mean that name is taken
golden gust
hypickle is how we'd say it to avoid pinging our local walmart greeter, agentk
magic river
Sounds like someone is jealous they didn't get <discord.gg/craft>
void void
hypickle is how we'd say it to avoid pinging our local walmart greeter, agentk
Who you just pinged through irc 
golden gust
he's not online seemingly
void void
Wait he’s not on irc
magic river
That's awful, I cant' even tell she has a gun
rare tiger
all this discord is too complicated for me meet me on BBS
void void
Which is probably why his hypixel alerts aren’t working
magic river
Then again I can't for either
golden gust
if he is, I'll just jump on him
warm anchor
No mana pls fix it look bad
golden gust
if he still has his hypickle notifs I'd be surprised but 🤷♂️
left swift
lul
warm anchor
True we need like ak or something
warm anchor
magic river
left swift
if you can send me full size i cna make it nicer
dawn pond
html coding vibes 
magic river
void void
golden gust
fuuuuck
who was the YT engineered who got a brain tumor years ago?
I remember something she did but forgot her name
dawn pond
hey does anyone know how to install ubuntu on hetzner
i installed it on my personal server
witha flash drive
magic river
Queen of Shitty Robots?
golden gust
Yes!
dawn pond
idk how i would do that on hetzner
golden gust
Simone Giertz
true canyon
hey does anyone know how to install ubuntu on hetzner
Looks like its one of their standard images, from a brief google.
golden gust
void void
Thats the one
magic river
Yeah I can't remember that, it's Swedish
magic river
She actually is Swedish iirc, moved to the US as a kid or something
golden gust
Yea, I used their installer last time, not sure I wanna do it again 😄
twin lagoon
their installer is fine for the most part
golden gust
But, I also installed proxmox though, so
twin lagoon
okay yes for proxmox i would not go through any installer
golden gust
Yea, it's for that "for the most part" aspect
twin lagoon
for any hypervisor i woud just manual install
also had to go through the joys of installing debian with ZFS as root through hetzner
magic river
Random question: do you think it's worth trying to support the 3 MC usernames that don't follow the current formatting rules?
Or should you just say fuck those people and provide something that filters out invalid stuff?
golden gust
I err on the . but then I kinda think that fuck them
magic river
(totally not a random question)
twin lagoon
people with an invalid username know they have an invalid username for the most part
not a huge issue
and for cracked servers well, waste of time anyways
magic river
Ok but now assume you aren't deciding for a server but for every server
simple wagon
Does someone know a (good) yaml/hocon config library that automatically wraps a java object to a config?
twin lagoon
configurate?
i don't know if it can do that but i always hear configurate when it comes to config libraries
true canyon
configurate is ❤️
golden gust
I mean, idk any names which don't follow the current rules that aren't using .'s
and the others can go eat a turd sandwich
void void
Doesn’t this completely break Floodgate?
magic river
I think there are a few 2 letter names?
void void
Afaik the check only cares about usernames that are too long, not too short
magic river
ah
anyway, this commit just screams exploit fix to me
So the fact that it breaks geyser or something is probably not a big concern
cunning raft
doesn't break geyser
vernal moth
We checked in with Geyer people to make sure it doesn't break
Also, can't wait for the OG name community to throw shit at us for making the invalid name accounts basically worthless 😂
vernal moth
Wonder how long it takes until they notice the change
magic river
That sounds like a proxy problem
golden gust
well, they can bypass the check on the proxy as they're running there
as for the server, idk
I feel little sympathy for cases where stuff was obvs invalid and they leaned into it, so, it's kinda like, errr
magic river
If geyser->bungeecord->paper gives a different result than geyser->paper then that means bungeecord has a bug
Or waterfall, velocity, lilypad, etc
I mean, paper obviously had to do some extra stuff to support having a proxy at all but past that it shouldn't need to do anything special for that scenario
vernal moth
Only proxy support we have is IP forwarding I think, they are generally transparent
golden gust
it's more the fact that they intentionally place an invalid character in the name
vernal moth
Oh and velocity has a handshake or something
worn ember
no handshakes!
left swift
no community
void void
emote is way too small on desktop
zealous knot
left swift
i guess if ya distort it
limber knotBOT
wait, how does one run the Minecraft 1.17 client with java 17?
due to the duplicate version number search engines only return shit -.-
void void
java executable in the instance settings
crystal compass
is mounting a drive with rclone supposed to take a really long time
limber knotBOT
yes, that's what I set
peak ginkgo
oh wtf who noticed im a supporter
outer night
hi
void void
oh wtf who noticed im a supporter
maybe they went through people with roles that were going to be deleted?
outer night
i was wondering is paper in a stable enough state that i can use it to run a smp
peak ginkgo
fucking
void void
since pretty in pink is gone :(
outer night
in 1.18
limber knotBOT
it'swhy tf do they even check for NEWER versions -.-
peak ginkgo
@outer night yea, heres the stuff thats not done
crystal lilyBOT
limber knotBOT
lol they just print the version into the log with the JavaCheck.jar
brave radish
yeah, they even obfuscated it
limber knotBOT
no?
peak ginkgo
MCL-18306 AKA: How I learned to stop crying and switch to MultiMC
limber knotBOT
if only MultiMC had a profile importer 👀
void void
why did they clean up the roles :(
warm anchor
this is the new simple that we have to get used to now
left swift
I'm joking simple
plucky sparrow
simple doesn’t look good in green
void void
i prefered the old prune color ^
warm anchor
gonna have to change his name to complicated
magic river
So long as I keep paper-chan on my name y'all can do whatever
Although we should probably delete the taco lover role
left swift
potent fossil
I think the role got deleted
void void
it did
left swift
oh yea emote looks nicer on mobile
void void
they're cleaning up old roles
potent fossil
Lol ok
void void
brocc's overlord role is also gone
left swift
desktop version is trash
warm anchor
<:papergun:926909067409117184>
this mana is forcing me to get a proper paper chan gun emoji by posting his scoffed version
plucky sparrow
paper 3.0 is starting to become an actual thing
potent fossil
Well, whatever
left swift
you like my emote I made simple
potent fossil
What emote
left swift
plucky sparrow
it looks blurrier than your intelligence nomana
warm anchor
.kill @left swift
left swift
NO COMMUNITY
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) I can't attack that.
tropic flame
i always forget how just because someone has a role it doesn't mean they're part of the higherups, so it's always funny to see colored names saying "they seem to be doing a cleanup, why did they change the colors?"
i just think like "why are you talking like you have no idea about what's happening"
warm anchor
?????????
tropic flame
well, probably because you effectively don't
potent fossil
.kill nomanasendhelp
tropic flame
my bad for that LOL
limber knotBOT
rips off nomanasendhelp's limbs and leaves them to die.
potent fossil
She can't handle tags, it's too complicated
potent fossil
Poor paperchan
potent fossil
She's an irc bot not a discord bot!!!!!!
tropic flame
nofunsendhelp
left swift
crystal compass
does rsnapshot require a cronjob?
potent fossil
yes
crystal compass
does it handle the scheduling and shit for me? do i just need to make it run once a day
potent fossil
well, you make your own configs in the conf file and then you make the cronjob run at whatever schedule you want
and it handles it from there
crystal compass
Right so i've done my config file already
i set it to backup 1 monthly, 2 weeklys, and 3 dailies
potent fossil
so you can make a config entry that is supposed to be run hourly, and call it "hourly", and then you just make a cronjob that runs hourly that executes rsnapshot hourly
crystal compass
ahh gotcha
so I can just cron the rsnapshot daily rsnapshot weekly rsnapshot monthly
potent fossil
yes
crystal compass
every day, every week, every month
potent fossil
if that's what they're called
crystal compass
thanks for the help
potent fossil
can do rsnapshot -t <name> to test it as well
crystal compass
ty
potent fossil
apparently this is working for quite a few people https://winscp.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25705
void void
its not really a bandwidth problem
potent fossil
it just seems winscp has some setting that drastically reduces the speed at which it communicates with the remote
but other than that, i dont know
worthy geode
probably just a side effect of FTP being old af
void void
sure its a protocol issue def
to an extent tho
filezilla runs laps around winscp
problem is filezilla after litearlly 25 years
STILL wont add drag and drop confirmation prompts
worthy geode
hmm, I find Filezilla directory listing also annoyingly slow
void void
so when i use i am constantly in fear
potent fossil
did you try disabling that optimization option or are you going to ignore it
void void
i cant find it
potent fossil
others say it's a conflict with microsoft's built in antivirus
i don't know, can't even help troubleshoot, am not on windows
good luck tho
void void
hm
connection buffer seems to make a slight difference
in terms of transfer speed
but i have to set it for each of my 30 sites 😭
potent fossil
kek
potent fossil
erm, are you using ftp? or sftp? cause you mentioned ls
void void
sftp
potent fossil
I mean not really but winscp says themselves you could try SCP instead of SFTP
but you will lose some features
golden gust
shit like that is why I just use rsync
ancient bolt
scp is the simplest way to copy files for a 1 time thing, it works exactly like cp
anything more involved, rsync is best
golden gust
I use rsync for pretty much everything cos am lazy like that
ancient bolt
I always have to look up the command lol
golden gust
rsync -rva --stats --progress is basically pure muscle memory lol
potent fossil
winscp can opt to use scp in its backend but still provide you the gui
they say in their docs it can be a bit faster
so, i guess you can try it
hot agate
i cannot spawn in the wither says cant spawn on this world how do i change this
coarse lily
i cannot spawn in the wither says cant spawn on this world how do i change this
Keep your questions to one channel please, don’t spam multiple channels
short yarrow
if you have a global app, how do you go about storing data? do you have databases in multiple regions? do you need to have database replication?
vernal moth
depends
frank otter
there are things called distributed databases
vernal moth
most likely thats complete overkill because 200ms doesn't matter
frank otter
iirc discord itself uses one called Cassandra which basically hosts multiple instances that sync between each other
but that's only good for a lot lot of servers with a lot lot of data
void void
how much would would you say ingesting data into elastic search increases its size
i have a 20gb drive and the database is a mysql one and about 2gb, would it fit when put into elasticsearch i wonder
short yarrow
there are things called distributed databases
i know there's replication, but i thought it would regionalized. like if i'm writing to a database on the east coast, it would replicate the data to other data centers on the east coast
magic river
I thought these days scp was either not a thing or implemented on top of sftp
golden gust
I mean, generally you use sharding
use a mechanism to ensure that shit doesn't conflict, etc
frank otter
i know there's replication, but i thought it would regionalized. like if i'm wri...
at a guess yes because a) I'm not sure the databases know they're all in the same reason and b) data backups are generally wanted as well
but that's a guess
golden gust
ref the snowflakes shit that everybody is using these days, etc
void void
I mean, generally you use sharding
wtf is sharding, im using a 1 dollar vps
frank otter
I don't know distribution very well
magic river
Ah, I guess they aren't implementing the scp protocol on top of the sftp protocol, they're just making the scp command use sftp protocol
void void
where can i learn to make a web app like this https://worldgen.syldium.dev/
with all the popup gui shit
ideally as easy as possible 😺
potent fossil
vuejs, reactjs, svelte
"easy" depends on how willing you are to read and actually learn
short yarrow
so on discord, sometimes you see that you sent a message before someone else, but on their screen it shows they sent their message first. does that actually get corrected when you refresh?
golden gust
yes
golden gust
client itself on recieving new stuff just populates as it's recieved
when you refresh it pulls it back from the db
frank otter
does anyone still use those lighters with a wheel that spit sparks and just vent gas if it doesn't catch
potent fossil
yes
golden gust
Erm, yea, kinda
frank otter
no like the small handheld lighters
golden gust
Like, i've had one before
potent fossil
i have one in my hand right now
golden gust
they're a PITA and shit
frank otter
cuz I found some from like 2006 and they still work if you can work them and they spit the longest flame I've seen a lighter make
golden gust
electronic ignition is just much nicer but much more of a hell cos that shit just breaks after a while
potent fossil
spending $0.70 on a lighter > having lighter with electronic ignition
frank otter
electronic ignition is the newer ones that have one button and if its out of gas you can see a tiny spark?
potent fossil
.wa 1 quid to usd
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) No results.
potent fossil
k
frank otter
quid > gbp
potent fossil
is 1 quid == 1 gbp or is that what you call a fraction of a gbp or what
potent fossil
weirdos
frank otter
I think?
potent fossil
/wa 1 gbp to 1 usd
golden gust
