general

[knotty oasis]

for now its solved though, for me

reduced time spent on the CI by 6 minutes lol

[foggy silo]

It seems that paper also doesn't cache some older datafixers: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/blob/master/patches/server/0507-Cache-DataFixerUpper-Rewrite-Rules-on-demand.patch

[knotty oasis]

that makes sense

imo would be even better if it just lazily initialized once it found some chunks for such older versions

[lean kiln]

I mean that's basically what it does

[knotty oasis]

then again if you find a single chunk from a billion years ago, do you want to stall the server for 5 minutes? haha

[lean kiln]

bar loading the most recent fixers which isn't slow

[golden gust]

Well, the rule stuff caching fires up when something requires those rewrites

[knotty oasis]

does it only stall the chunkgen requiring it? Or does it lock the main thread as well?

[golden gust]

actual init of DFU is a horror show and many stupid things hit it

plugins use it for legacy materials

[knotty oasis]

how so?

[golden gust]

anything data wise in the game which can be changed automagically over time fires it up

[knotty oasis]

as in, they call into it?

[golden gust]

Spigot uses DFUs data there to calculate the modern materials for legacy ones

[knotty oasis]

are you for real

why

[golden gust]

think plugins can also take advantage of that too

Well, in part, items need an upgrade path

[knotty oasis]

I just made my own for that stuff

[golden gust]

Well, yea, but, now u gotta maintain that

[knotty oasis]

bukkits method is completely useless because it outright refuses to decode itemstack details of future versions

[golden gust]

DFU does it for free, go brrr

[lean kiln]

how would you expect it to decode a future data version

[golden gust]

Well, it works for Materials

[knotty oasis]

by having a proper future-to-what-the-server-uses migrations of my own

[golden gust]

ItemStack data in general on the other hand, using bukkits API stuff for persistence is just asking for tears

[knotty oasis]

I basically wrote my own itemstack deserializer for that purpose

for the most part, it just rejects certain itemstacks that use materials that dont exist and stuff

[lean kiln]

to make sure we're clear you're talking about loading 1.18 data on 1.17 for exmaple?

[knotty oasis]

for the rest, its just to prevent stupid ERROR ALL IS ON FIRE bullshit

[lean kiln]

I don't see how that would be expected to work

[knotty oasis]

yup

works perfectly fine because most people are using bog standard items like pickages and shit

but because it serializes with a data value thats in the future, the crappy deserializer outright refuses to deserialize that

[static ermine]

Would it be worth starting on experimental if it's just myself testing some things, until stable releases? I really just wanna poke around with it, since the last time I did anything server related, bukkit and vanilla were the only two options available

[knotty oasis]

it should serialize with a data value index of the version the syntax/format was created, but it doesnt

[golden gust]

boils down to the data you're storing and shit, like, downgrading you're gonna potentially lose data, but, it will work

[lean kiln]

I think it makes perfect sense it would refuse to deserialize that lol

[golden gust]

Let the people shoot themselves in the foot!

[lean kiln]

default behavior shouldn't be to corrupt data

[knotty oasis]

default behavior should be to serialize data in such a way that both legacy and modern serializers can read it, if the data is compatible for both versions

not to write data with just a wooden block that an older deserializer nukes itself over

thats just dumb

[lean kiln]

that makes no sense

[grand pewter]

ya that's fine, just not recommended to rely on experimental for anything important (and make backups)

[lean kiln]

there's no way to serialize 1.18 data so that 1.17 can read it without data loss

well thats a bad example

1.18 to 1.16 is better

[static ermine]

Alrighty, thank you very much! :)

[void void]

Experimental is running on like 50k servers now, just be sure to take regular backups ^

[knotty oasis]

a simple wooden block without metadata will be correctly read on 1.8.

[golden gust]

I mean, it's all often down to reasonable expectations

Like, people wanna do stupid shit

so long as they're willing to take the burdens of doing stupid shit, so be it

[knotty oasis]

though tbh, for now its fine if I provide such future-to-old migrations myself in a library I can keep up to date

its just painful that even very basic migrations like itemstacks w/o metadata fail so hard

[lean kiln]

sure, go ahead and do it yourself, I'm just saying it makes perfect sense why the built in one doesn't behave like that, and it's a good thing, and doesn't make it "crappy"

[golden gust]

To be fair

the built in one is crappy

[lean kiln]

yeah, but not because it doesn't support downgrades

[golden gust]

aikars spent many hours dealing with stupid dataloss issues 😄

[knotty oasis]

why not store both a dataversion-min and dataverison-curr ?

[lean kiln]

think how much worse it would be if it did

[foggy silo]

I can't imagine debugging the datafixer...

[knotty oasis]

most itemstacks Ive seen people post YAML about is basically just the dataversion and material field.

[golden gust]

I mean, there is no data fixer for the most part for bukkit stuff

[knotty oasis]

those have barely changed except for 1.13

[golden gust]

Like, the itemstack is half ass represented in one way with a version tag from another system

that data is all fucked up together into logic which rarely cares about the version and thrown through the data upgrade logic for the other format

[knotty oasis]

its like, the moment your server bumps up the dataversion even by one it nukes all your old configurations if you try to go back lol

but eh. Im only running into that stuff because I made it so easy for people to share YAML around using a builtin paste system

[potent fossil]

Just made a booster shot appt

[stray oyster]

is anyone of yall a cloudflare expert

I am loosing my mind atm

[potent fossil]

dont ask to ask

jk <3 but yeah idk, maybe

[golden gust]

I got a text message other day saying that I was now elligable to make an appointment for my booster :L

[potent fossil]

I finally was able to do it, they wouldn't let me get one cause I recently had covid

[golden gust]

bearing in mind that it's even a few weeks before I can get it

[stray oyster]

what the hell kind of certificate constraints do I need for cloudflare a leaf certificate to be used for zones/:zone_identifier/origin_tls_client_auth

{"success":false,"errors":[{"code":1600,"message":"Internal Server Error"}],"messages":[]} is all I am ever getting

[potent fossil]

Did you make the cert bundle using the cfssl tool thingy? But yea am definitely not an expert there

[stray oyster]

not a bundle;

I have a valid CA and a valid tls client auth cert

I just cant ever upload it

[potent fossil]

:L Yeah sorry I have no clue then, hope someone does tho

[twin lagoon]

weebs

[stray oyster]

been stuck here since late september

best of all CF support told me not so politely to go away

[potent fossil]

Oh are you 5pb on the cloudflare community cause I was just reading your post where nobody helped you

F

[stray oyster]

Yes.

Sad.

[potent fossil]

This is very sad indeed

[stray oyster]

But now I am actually in a stupid situation

because a project I am working on requires the FIPS compliance this ensures

[peak ginkgo]

What are you doing that they told you to cope

[stray oyster]

asked the same questions as in the forums thread

Told me they wont provide support for that unless I am enterprise +

[peak ginkgo]

Are you doing subdomain.subdomain.zone?

[stray oyster]

.. even though that part of the API and features is even available to free users

I tried both root zone and subdomains

same issue

[peak ginkgo]

Moving to desktop so I can be more useful

[potent fossil]

DeJay about to save the day as usual

[stray oyster]

From what Ive been told and from what I understand:
You can provide cloudflare a certificate it will present on pull
You hold the CA behind that certificate and that certificate will only be accessible to the configured zone

similar to how you can do it on cloudfront

which is why I am failing to understand why this is so stupid; or I am just doing something entirely wrong

[magic river]

https://giphy.com/gifs/christmas-ugly-sweater-HBMCmtsPEUShG

🎄

[stray oyster]

sounds like a redis job to me

[meager tusk]

What, like ElasticSearch?

[magic river]

Hosting a website costs money

[stray oyster]

massive as in?

[magic river]

ElasticSearch is an open source project

Well, "open source"

[stray oyster]

I work with big data so massive isnt a term for me

[meager tusk]

There's forks of ElasticSearch

[magic river]

Amazon has a real open source fork

[stray oyster]

Oh god

[twin lagoon]

then use elasticsearch

[stray oyster]

Please dont ever use databases for object storage and if you do; please do a usable object index field

[twin lagoon]

@meager tusk IDRIZ!

[stray oyster]

text that can be classified as over reasonable datasets (logs or books or whatever in your case; just stuff thats not typically stored in a db)

[magic river]

ElasticSearch

[stray oyster]

^

[magic river]

Discord uses ElasticSearch

[twin lagoon]

it's opensource

host it yourself

any database costs money if you look at the official website

[upbeat falcon]

Introducing OpenSearch | AWS Open Source Blog

https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/opensource/introducing-opensearch/

Apr 12, 2021 ... September 8, 2021: Amazon Elasticsearch Service has been renamed to ... a community-driven, open source fork of Elasticsearch and Kibana.

Requested by Amaranth - About 390,000 results (0.28 seconds)

[golden gust]

Well, you pay for support, not the software

[twin lagoon]

cloud & support contracts is how they earn money after all

google

[golden gust]

to the google!

[stray oyster]

Now I am getting an 1422 error

wooo

[golden gust]

Progress!

[twin lagoon]

elasticsearch is java so it'll run on a toaster

[peak ginkgo]

@stray oyster It appears 4096bit may be too intense for Cloudflare?

[stray oyster]

I use DSA

[twin lagoon]

also ES is heavy as fuck so have fun with that

[peak ginkgo]

I can't find any references to 4096 bit certs on the Cloudflare docs

[stray oyster]

what do you want from me

[foggy silo]

Gosh I read this as "poggers" and immediately questioned who this was.

[stray oyster]

oh yea in my old post I did that right

[peak ginkgo]

ye

[twin lagoon]

a search engine will eat resources, as expected

[golden gust]

when doing stuff

[twin lagoon]

and idk, you run ES as a separate piece of software just like anything else

[golden gust]

You're throwing data into it

it needs to sort that data out into a way that it can search cleanly and fast

then when searching, it needs to like, piece shit together too

[stray oyster]

am re-creating with that; but I dont think it will work;
RSA 2048bit key + sha256 certs this time

lets see

[void void]

Hello hello

[golden gust]

One takeaway for computers is that our way of representing stuff is their bane

strings are fucking ass for computers to deal with, etc

[rustic topaz]

merry christmas guys!

[foggy silo]

naomi!!

[static ermine]

Hirm krurm krurm!

[potent fossil]

Storing random json strings in rdbms should be illegal 😪 just use nosql then, that's what it's for

[golden gust]

Naomi.

Merry christmas.

I hate you.

[potent fossil]

looks at glare

[twin lagoon]

let me introduce you to our lord and saviour

[rustic topaz]

very whlesome guys

[twin lagoon]

jsonb in mariadb & postgres

[golden gust]

and, to everybody else, Merry christmas ❤️

[foggy silo]

merry Christmas cat 😍

[static ermine]

I usually just use mongo, but I'm a simple pleb

[potent fossil]

Yeah if you use that datatype it's better but I think they're storing json as TEXT

[golden gust]

mongo?

I mean

I learnt SQL

[magic river]

DB2 had the fancy JSON field first 😛

[static ermine]

Yeah, but lazy

I really should

[golden gust]

I didn't learn the art of english, however, so, you win some, you lose some

[void void]

I'm trying to start a new SMP server, can anyone give me some tips on how to make it as polished as possible?

[static ermine]

Sql would make my life a lot easier

[magic river]

Including the ability to index random nested things inside the JSON, query for nested things in there, create a view that presents that blob of JSON as proper tables, etc

[void void]

Yeah I know I'm asking for help but not too sure where else to go lol

[golden gust]

❤️ 😄

[stray oyster]

@peak ginkgo GOD DAMNITTTT

[potent fossil]

😔

[golden gust]

find polished plugins, get somebody with OCD and then just make your own shit, or, whatever

[static ermine]

I remember when I first started programming. My buddy said to use json and I'm like "who tf is jason lmao"

[stray oyster]

I am now mad because that worked

why

how

[golden gust]

at the end of the day, if you want something done right, do it yourself; otherwise, see what's out there and compare options, etc

Five

points at Five

[peak ginkgo]

👍

[golden gust]

babahajajajajajaaahahahaha

[void void]

Should I use waterfall or paper then?

[static ermine]

It worked because you aren't six or four

[stray oyster]

Cat who let you out of your corner

[golden gust]

Waterfall is a proxy, paper is a server...

[void void]

oh lol

[potent fossil]

@void void you'd probably get better advice in Syscraft. We're mostly devs here, Syscraft has more server owners. See #community-guilds

[golden gust]

I mean

[static ermine]

Kind of

[void void]

Oh sweet, thank you!

[potent fossil]

Afk

[void void]

Just what I needed

[golden gust]

There is an embedded mongo server

[static ermine]

Yeah

[golden gust]

Not something I'd recommend, etc

[stray oyster]

{"success":true,"errors":[],"messages":[],"result":{"id":"158....eab","status":"pending_deployment","issuer":"CN=....

[static ermine]

You can run it locally, but it requires resources as it's a server based database

[magic river]

Press X to Jason

[static ermine]

Otherwise, there's a cloud based option

[golden gust]

It's elastic

afaik

I ain't played with it

You just shoot data in there which you have means to map back

No need to store fields you don't care about, etc

[magic river]

Kind of sounds like you want greylog or something instead

[static ermine]

Programming on the Switch when that guy released a Ruby IDE in his indie game

[golden gust]

lot searching

[static ermine]

The only real benefit to mongodb is it's easier to set up

[golden gust]

graylog ain't "log searching"

at least, not on the trivial "just fuckin' grep it" type shit

[magic river]

I found my bedtime video for tonight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxWCU6F3RRE

[golden gust]

Ah, yes

caveman TV

[static ermine]

Insert caveman spongebob emote or sticker here

Not paying discord for nitro anytime soon because they pissed me off

[fallen oracle]

IN MY DEFENSE

I have an actual real version now

16 tables

[golden gust]

Never paid a single time for my own nitro

Only had it 2 years as a guy I do stuff for knows how much I love to

[potent fossil]

Good boy

[twin lagoon]

@viral hornet

@restive thicket BEST camotoy

[knotty oasis]

https://paste.traincarts.net/qunegewesu.java interesting hack. Didnt know this was so easily possible

[golden gust]

I mean

the literal first example is using json

Like, past that, it shows it as not just raw json

as I said, you shit the data you wanna index into it

[twin lagoon]

you send json data

you search json data

elasticsearch is a search engine

[golden gust]

afaik json is just the primary interface for it

Like, that's how it communicates

how it stores data internally is irrelevant and where all the magic happens

your query pulls data back from the thing, as json, however the library you use exposes that is how it exposes it

[restive thicket]

Hello again!

[twin lagoon]

merriest of christmases to camotoy

[golden gust]

I mean, the search thing returns raw data

So, erm

You generally don't wanna expose that directly to the web

[fallen oracle]

It's just not in production yet because it's a mess :(

[twin lagoon]

how is it not

[knotty oasis]

finally! Time to see what else I can kill

[golden gust]

Well, that's valid code

literally a main method

fun is that the spring stuff is magical, and so some generated class is made elsewhere which calls that, iirc

yea, that's what the spring boot annotation is for

pros and cons

I'd argue for all the cons, spring does a really fucking damned good job of making stuff work

even if it's probs a leading cause of baldness among devs

Nothing

if you wanna do that, go for it

But, when you're making big apps and shit, spring just offers a lot of features which cuts down on a lot of crap

[magic river]

It'll work surprisingly well, for basic stuff

[golden gust]

can what handle traffic?

I mean, yea

[magic river]

Can it handle 1000 connections a second? Probably not

Are you going to get that many? Probably not

[golden gust]

apache what?

apaches web server is dated af

everybody moved on to nginx who cared

now people are moving over to fancy "cloud" stuff

Yes but to be fair, any fix for that is just cancer

Well, not using a thread per connection just increases the resources you need to take advantage of it

but, as said, apache is dated anyways, everybody sane moved on

Spring can/does use netty

ah, yea, default is tomcat, but, can use netty for spring

I mean, the big thing for spring is all of the tooling and features it offers

depends on the tech, php, templates, etc

find the import 🤷‍♂️

Like, probs, but, not exactly a unique name

[floral mesa]

the only reason to be using apache these days is for legacy apps that absolutely require fucking with its internals or tomcat

[stray oyster]

Tweet form discord
Comments 80-90% be like

[golden gust]

can somebody please clap machine around the side of the head with a keg of egg nog or some shit

thx

[little frost]

best part is they didn't even back down on it, i remember it being like a "not yet" kind of response

[warm anchor]

everytime I see that I always insert @wraith trail into the meme

[static ermine]

What if papermc but called eggnogmc

[stiff wadi]

RockMC

Make it happen for April fools

[static ermine]

Scissorsmc

[flat frost]

hi

[potent fossil]

Are people on Discord able to add you to servers without you specifically doing it yourself?

I was just added to one of my school hub's servers, but I was nowhere near my computer and didn't do it from my phone

Is that a thing

[golden gust]

er, discord had some weird school partner program shit but that sounds sus

[static ermine]

I miss school

Being old sucks

[golden gust]

I mean, people said that I'd miss school

Still yet to

my school sucked donkey

[potent fossil]

wonder if i can see all my active discord sessions

[ashen nacelle]

Just had a big English dinner tonight. Check out #food. To see what I had. It was very delicious. Also happy Christmas eve everyone.

[rare tiger]

psychopath

[potent fossil]

I'm sitting here eating crackers and cheese spread

[rare tiger]

kevin smith from india can

[potent fossil]

No

[viral hornet]

🥺

[ashen nacelle]

Oof. Are you Psycho

[potent fossil]

I don't miss highschool but I'll probably miss some aspects of college

keyword: some

[ashen nacelle]

Right now I am sipping on some apple brandy eggnog.

[potent fossil]

apple??

Bad choice

[ashen nacelle]

Yes

[potent fossil]

I am disappointed

[ashen nacelle]

Not bad choice it is very good

[potent fossil]

Naw man apple brandy in eggnog??? No, you need some smooth oak barrel aged brandy or something

Apple my ass tf

[ashen nacelle]

The apple brandy pairs very well with the eggnog.

Its subtle and smooth. Not harsh

[potent fossil]

I will no longer take you seriously

[cobalt surge]

Happy whatever you believe in cat

[spiral robin]

[golden gust]

hey Chrysti, merri christmas/holidays to you and the fam

[potent fossil]

cat did you see i sent you a present

[golden gust]

Oh, thanks ❤️

[potent fossil]

❤️

[ashen nacelle]

If you are thinking of a harsh apple drink that isnt true apple brandy you are thinking of applejack.

[potent fossil]

No I just don't know how apple brandy can mix well with eggnog

[ashen nacelle]

Try it some time. You will be surprised.
I thought the same as you last year until I tried it and will never go back to bourbon in the eggnog.

[potent fossil]

Which brandy is it specifically

[potent fossil]

isn't E&J a bottomshelf brand

like $3-4 brandy lmao

[ashen nacelle]

No that bottle cost nearly $60 in my local liqour store.

[potent fossil]

its this right https://dydza6t6xitx6.cloudfront.net/ci-e-j-brandy-apple-57e16dcc258cb145.jpeg

if you paid $60 for that man

https://owo.whats-th.is/3nK1qnt.png

Anyway we'll see, I might try it some time but not sure about using E&J for it

Gonna play assassin's creed for a bit

[restive thicket]

thank u

[restive thicket]

And you as well.

[crisp sinew]

Merry christmas

[silver nexus]

Merry crystler

[urban reef]

any shader recommendations?

[silver nexus]

I use complimentary

It’s not abrasive but not unnoticeable

[rare tiger]

def depends on what you want, complementary is great tho. and make sure to pair with iris + the whole periodic table

if you dont use lithium sodium indium phosphor (starlight) hydrogen krypton then like what are you even doing 🤪

they all have working released/experimental/hopelessly obscure 1.18.1 builds

theres no like soulmate shader for me

sora is nice looking and performant but makes everything kinda gloomy

seus is way too cinematic for technical players

complementary is great but leaves stuff to be desired

bsl is essentially deprecated lul rip

there's no way in hell im learning glsl to make my own shaders so its fine ill just live off other people's work and be a little dissatisfied

minecraft is a weird game performance wise

it ran faster on windows than manjaro for me unlike any other game i have

vulkan is way more performant on linux than opengl for whatever reason but support for it is practically non-existent

i can do basically anything on linux, sometimes easier, sometimes harder, but its all made worth it because linux is great for programmers. there's just a few trivial things im really trying hard to replace that i have to switch to my windows partition for

probably not, but its not their fault. there are way more contributors than people who have seen windows source code. its all about politics and monopolies sadly

i still use linux like 95% of the time. having to switch over that other 5% is not worth it for most of the people on this planet

once linux can at least emulate windows decently i think we're gonna see waves of people at least trying linux

shit just works
back when i mained windows, a project required me to download every single modern version of vcredist, both 32 and 64 bit. linux not only does not have bullshit like this, but installing software is a few terminal lines away

instead of tracking down shit on MSDN and accepting 5000 TOSes

windows was definitely way worse for development, plain and simple. linux wins this battle at least

oh yeah filesystem on windows is wretched

devs love linux, if not i would just use windows all the time. just unfortunate that i have to switch over rarely still

are they developing software? are they tracking down old ass "it just works" APIs from a 20 years ago to bodge something together on windows? I really don't think so. And of course, the linux counterpart is to find a modern open source version

wsl is the gateway to maining linux lol. wsl isnt perfect but is a great tool for people held back on windows

streaming, playing a very small select few games that projectile vomit in proton/wine/lutris (though I got an impressive amount working, think any UE4 or unity game), video editing, anything useful that's completely propietary to windows

it works!

[potent fossil]

im playing assassins creed in wine right now

[rare tiger]

well obviously proton is the better option for games but sometimes you need some winetricks

[potent fossil]

#general message

[rare tiger]

yeah for a little while ngl but its worth it

Satisfactory, Warframe, Noita, among others

Warframe was such a dickpain, basically anything with a seperate installer & launcher is absolute hell

It runs a little worse than windows obviously but its worth it. Still faster than the refresh rate of my monitor

[golden gust]

Psh

Everybody knows that it's all about releasing a seperate launcher which acts as an installer which acts as the bootstrap for the game itself which is really just a fancy launcher which downloads stuff

[rare tiger]

There were some graphical glitches too but thats just because my linux distro hates propietary software. Spent a good while installing nvidia & vulkan drivers and it was good

[golden gust]

Still another set of environments to test, etc

[foggy silo]

Aww paper merry Christmas

So cute!

[golden gust]

different binary format, APIs, etc

[spiral robin]

Kashike

[cosmic raft]

c:

[foggy silo]

Now I finally PRed my last thing on my todo list lol

[rare tiger]

Hmm, depends. If you're like me and love Java for instance it basically comes for free. Unity mono is literally one button too, UE4 I hear has very poor linux support but it does exist. And then there are cring games with no engine or something proprietary. But fuck man, even Valve made Source run on linux. It can't be that incredibly hard

Apple has heavily modified their software to the point where they could make architecture changes at the drop of a dime

Java though, java apps get cross compatibility for free because of JVM

[cosmic raft]

yes

[rare tiger]

Not always!

Some macs can run Windows ME 😳

[cosmic raft]

My M1 MBP has run everything I've wanted :p

[golden gust]

Their hardware is pretty nice is it's still an entirely different architecture to compile for

to optimise for

ARM is true proper british heritige

the OG story is fun too

[spiral robin]

M1 epic

[rare tiger]

hmm yeah thats the official explanation but also politics

[golden gust]

On their first board, they found out that they didnt have VCC connected

but, the thing was still running off the backfeed from something else

[spiral robin]

I think you mean Rosetta ?

Debatable but ok !

[rare tiger]

It hardly matters unpopular opinion

[golden gust]

I mean, they're entirely different design architectures, essentially

CISC is designed to have more powerful CPU instructions, which, lets the CPU "offload" more stuff at the cost of well, you're not in control of it

RISC is designed to be much more simple, but, at least back in the day 1 op = 1 cycle

and, x86 was designed by intel afaik

the 64 bit extentions where done by AMD

Because who cares

[rare tiger]

is x86 under the exclusive domain of intel? i feel like you shouldnt be able to patent a general concept

[golden gust]

Most of the people doing with that stuff are interfacing with native libraries, etc, under a fairly simple language to work with

No reason you couldn't do it with any other languages, etc, just, much easier to stick to a single language which is well taught across the field to interface with native libraries which do fancy things natively

No idea on the %s, big thing often is copying data across the boundaries, etc

when you're interfacing with a complex computation library, it's probs not a concern

at the end of the day, if your gains are better than your overheads, it's a win

everything boils down to ASM

you could write a C compiler in java if you wanted to, all you're basically doing is pooping out executable code and stuff

clang, no idea of %s though

llvm is also big too

of usage

git is git, you can say you created a commit whenever

but, much of this is stuff which was pulled out of other random VCS software

Like, git has a few things to convert from random VCS software out there

[magic river]

Those aren't at all comparable?

[golden gust]

they have code to poop an output out for pretty much every architecture that exists

No surprise that they have a lot of code

[magic river]

That's nothing, do you know how many lines of code your web browser has?

And such, by extension, how many Discord has?

Chromium is about 35 million lines of code

Discord has Chromium as a part of it so...

You're having this conversation on top of about 100 million lines of code

I just meant on your system

Windows 10 (apparently the whole thing) is about 50 million lines of code

That's just the kernel vs a whole OS

And I think like 10 million of that is dead code in the AMD GPU driver

bleh, I need to go to sleep so I can wake up in like 6 hours for the launch

[spare venture]

that’s a lot of lines

[magic river]

I also apparently need to get a new robot vacuum

Mine has stopped 5 times in one cycle now, only had something caught in it once

I'm just going to leave it wherever it died

[summer barn]

statistics question. how many ppl are in this discord? im just curious

[magic river]

.stats

[golden gust]

chalk mark on the floor and all?

[magic river]

hrm

[summer barn]

over 30,000

[spare venture]

indeed

[magic river]

And here is how over 30,000 people can get a free geegaw by using my affiliate link http://example.com/fuckno

[summer barn]

alsoquestion for the devs,. I remember the problem with invaid json parsing causing clients to disconnect back on 1.16.x. seeing as thats been fixed, what was the problem?

[golden gust]

er, outside of rando plugins, I don't recall anything like that

[south matrix]

bungee something

[summer barn]

Yea.

[south matrix]

it happened all the time, i think it was mainly for item hovers in chat

[summer barn]

^

[south matrix]

restarts of the backend server would fix it

[summer barn]

nobody could figure out how to cause it on purpose

[south matrix]

yeah, it just happened at random

[golden gust]

Nobody ever figured that out afaik

best we could guess is that something was tainting the thing

[summer barn]

?

[golden gust]

our best guess is that a rando plugin was finding itself in mojangs gson instance for that stuff and causing issues

[summer barn]

many many plugins caused it then

[golden gust]

Nobody ever figured out a way to reproduce it, nobody ever provided raw json info over what was going on, etc

[spiral robin]

Oh I found a fix for it

Didn’t I PR it?

[summer barn]

becuase it could apparently be cuased on a regular paper jar

with json hover

[south matrix]

mmmojang mappings

[golden gust]

open sourcing your core app rarely makes much sense

[south matrix]

they have it this way because it's still a paid game

[summer barn]

that issue was so annoying lol @spiral robin =howdid you fix?

[golden gust]

hm, maybe I kinda recall somebody shoving a patch for it, only 1 pr from aberdeener unless they used a diff account or it was to spigot or something

idk, far too long ago

[magic river]

Imagine paying $1000 to a scalper for a PS5 then having your kid open their present and say "I wanted a PC, I don't want it. Take it back"

[summer barn]

apart from the security/stability problems.That issue was one of the biggest bugs i have encountered in MC for a while

gtg

[foggy silo]

👋 😄

[summer barn]

merry christmas, happy holidays / whichever holiday you might celebrte

[foggy silo]

U too

[void void]

for Christmas I recieved a BLAHAJ

best present

[spiral robin]

The solution was to not run a minecraft server

[magic river]

Christmas is going to be 44F (6.6C)

[spare venture]

issue fixed itself

[magic river]

RIP white christmas

[spare venture]

62F here lol

48F the next day

[magic river]

I feel like I should be watching Die Hard and drinking hot cocoa right now

Movie started, time to go heat up some water

[coarse lily]

aber trolling 2021

[spiral robin]

I am the best troll on earth .

I didn’t chose to shitpost, shitposting chose me

[magic river]

https://giphy.com/gifs/SkyTV-merry-christmas-die-hard-sky-cinema-7JQGLhgeoWOXR6Kz3q

[foggy silo]

But not the standard… 😔

Wish it was, a lot more informative than T and E and such

[golden gust]

I get kinda weird when using names cos it seems like such a convention to not

But, when I can, outside of obvious ones, I'll generally give it a real name

K, V, E, T etc, are just so standard that you kinda have no reason not to

[foggy silo]

Well thankfully Javadocs allows you to document generics

[spiral robin]

Why the underscore method prefix 👀

[potent fossil]

[golden gust]

hahahahaaaa

javadocs

useful

lol

implying anybody reads those

[foggy silo]

😳

[golden gust]

I do kinda wish I was brain enough to write a javadoc tool alternative

[foggy silo]

You don’t read through the entire novel that is javadocs?

[golden gust]

I really hate the built in one at times

especially 9+

[foggy silo]

Don’t you wanna read the hashmap implemantion? 😔

[golden gust]

god fucking arsehats

[foggy silo]

😂

[golden gust]

Oh, hey, lets remove iframes!

and leave a shitty little search feature in its place!

[foggy silo]

IntelliJ made it a little easier with built in rendering

[spiral robin]

Use rendered view for javadocs in intellij

Ye

[golden gust]

I mean

[foggy silo]

But it’s still.. a giant wall of text you have to convince yourself to read.

[golden gust]

you use one of the libraries for interfacing with it

those often have some info behind how to use them or ez able to find examples given the world of opensource

[foggy silo]

Old projects I worked on we wouldn’t document anything with javadocs since… apparently it “wasn’t worth it since nobody would read them anyways”.

Gosh that was fun having to walk stack traces to figure out how things worked x)

[golden gust]

Well, yea, https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/current/rest-apis.html

which is doc'd there, as much as their docs suck ass from what I can see

[potent fossil]

am did find nice gtk theme https://owo.whats-th.is/3WMPZMM.png

[rich elbow]

run build tools? I think...

wait nvm paper

clone https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper and run build tools?

[golden gust]

you can't, basically

you can get a mojmap'd runnable bundler, but, no phat jar

[rich elbow]

wait what?

so the solution would be adding multiple dependencies? remap + paper?

[golden gust]

"hijacking"

[rich elbow]

I was thinking the same when I was trying to fix some echopet stuff but gave up lol

[golden gust]

I mean, user dev shoves the thing into your classpath so you can look at stuff

if you wanna modify paper, you, erm, modify paper?

and?

[rich elbow]

think he needs this https://github.com/Arnuh/EchoPet/commit/084f7fd0599406ef8e340ca9e40ef1971c152082#diff-ae18bd016b7fdf7db3721f0c7c086670e5f2f3e46e7611495dfd711fcc6d0e7fR98

[golden gust]

That's literally what mcdev is for

to let you look at that stuff

[rich elbow]

but from paper?

[golden gust]

well, userdev is for

"cold"?

the user dev lets you build against a mojmap'd server

yea, that's literally what the things for

then you can create a jar reobf'd to run on a standard server

you just build?

the userdev stuff pulls a mojang mapped jar

building against that is useless because it does not have any dep into, etc

if you're just building against traditional paper, that's useless

we already publish dev bundles there and the tooling knows how to get it

https://xkcd.com/2559/

xkcd: December 25th Launch

Update: Santa has been destroyed by the range safety officer.

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) xkcd: December 25th Launch (24 December 2021)

[foggy silo]

You have to kinda map a client jar

Hmm does java seal enums in JDK 17?

[ripe sphinx]

Sent modmail a nitro gift, lets see if anyone takes it lol

[foggy silo]

Aw that’s nice

[ripe sphinx]

wouldn't be where I am if it weren't for paper, which is why I'm happy to have given them $25 + one of my boosts now

[spiral robin]

[spiral robin]

im jk, love paper

[ripe sphinx]

||I also did a ||If I could get notable in return that'd be nice \s|| :P||

[spiral robin]

[ripe sphinx]

indeed. Wanted to give one of the core team it directly, but they all already have nitro :/

I wish I could also just drop a link here for someone to grab but I'm sure there's hundreds of bots that'll scoop it up instantly 😦

[foggy silo]

Yea paper is pretty fun, I’ve also had a blast contributing to it!!

Nice little passion thing to do on free time

[foggy silo]

I’ve heard of services that lock it behind captchas iirc

[ripe sphinx]

I wish I had the hardware to contribute to it more, but I've now had my craptop BSOD while running aP twice so I have to wait until my replacement gets here (chip shortage go brr)

(seem to have some sort of storage issue so my laptop BSODs with storage-related errors about once a week, but if I do IO-heavy stuff like applyPatches it seems much more likely to trigger it :/ )

[foggy silo]

Ahhh yikes.

Yea I have a little bit of a system now, and I use WSL now so it’s a lot more convenient than duel booting.

Although sometimes it’s very painful to use… randomly exiting, freezing, but hey it works. x)

[ripe sphinx]

Yeah I use WSL too, but IJ's WSL support still isn't perfect so I've just been doing paper in windows for now (thank god for paperweight, I couldn't contribute at all before it's introduction)

[foggy silo]

Ahh yea, I just updated to windows 11 and it has built in gui app support

I load intellij through WSL

There’s no way I could deal with the painful slow indexing speeds… 😅

[ripe sphinx]

oh shit didn't know I could do that. I've tried doing IJ in WSL using some hacky XServer shit and it did kinda work, but was janky...finally a reason I should start thinking about upgrading to 11

[foggy silo]

Yea it’s the only reason I did

Yes sometimes it’s very painful… but I have a bit of a system..

[ripe sphinx]

Still not sure about compat though, since if MultiMC or sharex don't work yet that's a dealbreaker

[foggy silo]

I at least haven’t run into too major issues

It’s just a bit weird to get used to at first!

Clunky task bar, file explorer “modern” right click menu.

The struggle x)

[ripe sphinx]

I might also get forced into it with my laptop replacement/upgrade, since while my parents had me pick out a couple that had specs that I want, I don't actually know what I'm getting (will find out tomorrow morning), so might be getting stuck with W11

[spiral robin]

get a new mbp

[foggy silo]

Ahh. Well hey I’m sure anything is better than a blue screen box!

[spiral robin]

this thing compiles paper in 22 seconds

[ripe sphinx]

ew mac

[foggy silo]

I prefer desktops.. because honestly I rly like just being able to switch stuff whenever I want.

It also lets me specialize in what components I want.

[potent fossil]

IJ's WSL support is still so trash I legitimately gave up and reinstalled linux

That was 4 days ago

[foggy silo]

Yea no

[potent fossil]

It wouldn't load any WSL project, period

[foggy silo]

Last time

It totally broke maven and just none of my dependencies would resolve.

But the tip is to run IntelliJ INSIDE Linux

[ripe sphinx]

^ and also I've had a apple / android+windows argument going with a friend for like 5 years now and I refuse to cave 😛

[foggy silo]

Or yea just duel boot or something

[potent fossil]

They had it working, then would release next ver and it'd break

Endless cycle

[spiral robin]

you will cave.

[potent fossil]

And yes I ran IJ inside WSL for a while but it had some weird quirks

[spiral robin]

you WILL.

[ripe sphinx]

I REFUSE.

[spiral robin]

shut up KID

[foggy silo]

Stay STRONG!!

[spiral robin]

cave now.

[foggy silo]

Guys don’t get political!!! 💀🥴🤤😔💀😳😉😇

[spiral robin]

owen

[ripe sphinx]

even if I wanted an apple, with this particular friend he will rub it in my face every chance he gets for the next 6 months lol

[foggy silo]

😳

[spiral robin]

irl friend?

[ripe sphinx]

si

[spiral robin]

thats irritating

just slap them

[ripe sphinx]

I mean it's in a chill way

[foggy silo]

Ah yes

[ripe sphinx]

(also if I slap him he'll slap me back lol)

[spiral robin]

slap and then run really fast

[ripe sphinx]

I don't win that lol

[foggy silo]

Just slap VERY hard

So they can’t slap back

[ripe sphinx]

the simple solution is desktop + android all the way 😛

[foggy silo]

The real hot topics

[ripe sphinx]

(besides I just got a new phone a few months ago so I'm good in that department for at least another 2+ years)

[foggy silo]

Yea well.. I will admit I do have an apple phone. I really like how long they support it

My phone is 5 years old!

Still supported, insane.

[hearty spear]

I must be a lucky guy because since 2012 I have not broke any phone I've hsd

Had*

[foggy silo]

I mean

[hearty spear]

I still have all of them and all of them still work

[foggy silo]

If you’re usually careful with your stuff it’s mostly fine.

I only had one incident with my phone, and that was because of a manufacturing defect.

[hearty spear]

I even do 80-20 charge cycles

So I've never had to replace a battery

[coarse lily]

I haven't broken a phone ever.

I did have someone else break my screen on my phone once, though.

They paid the $100 or whatever to have it fixed.

[hearty spear]

And so after I've had a phone about 2 years I get another one and use the old one for a project or alarm clock or to root or something

[coarse lily]

I just sell the old one when I get a new one.

[foggy silo]

Not a phone drawer person?

[coarse lily]

Nope.

[hearty spear]

Na the phones I use but it's the chargers and cables that fill the drawer

I tend to use the older phone chargers because I don't need to fast charge my stuff but very occasionally.

Better on batteries

[ripe sphinx]

I'm on phone #4 over 6 years now, 2 of my phones have had battery replacements and one was a hand-me-down. Only the most recent one was purchased new

[foggy silo]

Now I have to sleep… 2 AM and Christmas in morning… haha

[hearty spear]

Honestly it wasn't even fun or exciting to get a new phone for this one because the old one worked anyways and I just need the basics

[ripe sphinx]

yeah I just use it for phone+text, check discord on the go, and some scrolling through reddit/whatever mobile game if I have time to burn and no access to my laptop

[hearty spear]

Same dude except im an hour behind @foggy silo

[ripe sphinx]

11PM for me 🙂

[foggy silo]

Lol… Gn

[hearty spear]

I have balloons TD6 and I literally have it on my phone so I can get the daily logins. Which are like every 16h and not 24h.

Then every 3-4 months I play it on steam and have buttloads of monkey money.

[ripe sphinx]

eh I just play geometry dash or btd[56] on my phone, the only games I actually play are MC and Factorio

[hearty spear]

I have Minecraft on my phone probably play 30 minutes a month lol

[ripe sphinx]

(Just bought btd6 a few nights ago after having 5 for several years, god it's so much more interesting to play)
yeah I own MCPE as well, but I only ever launch it to test my home server's geyser for my sister

[hearty spear]

Well I haven't run geyser in like a while

But I host a bedrock server because I already self host java and so it costs me nothing to have a seperate bedrock server.

[ripe sphinx]

I hate bedrock but my sis doesn't have a computer so she only plays PE

[hearty spear]

And since bedrock auto updates

The server becomes outdated randomly

So I use my phone to connect and check to see if it's out of date

For a while they had an unofficial linux port of bedrock Minecraft someone made

That used your play store account

But the guy doing it quit because he got mad at people just taking it and basically making it pirate ready for people to play without paying

Like it's what $6.99

Or idk 7.99

So then I could not use my PC to check without using winbloat

So just got it for my phone

Problem solved

[magic river]

https://pythonawesome.com/script-to-add-gapps-and-other-stuff-to-waydroid/

[stray oyster]

Because the server never reads a Clientbound packet

Then it is used; but not in a directly referenced way

[cosmic raft]

it is used, and directly referenced

your decompile is broken

[stray oyster]

When I’ve worked on fabric before I had the same thing
It just doesn’t index that right

It also doesn’t resolve the decompile right most of the time

[radiant oriole]

This right here is how it reads data types out of the raw buffers

[stray oyster]

That’s anything but a raw buffer

[radiant oriole]

FriendlyByteBuf is sorta a wrapper imo

[cosmic raft]

FBB is a ByteBuf, just with additional helper methods

[radiant oriole]

It’s as “raw” as most people are ever gonna see

[stray oyster]

It is; but the raw buffer is the message before decompress and frame read

[cosmic raft]

potato potato

same thing

[stray oyster]

I’ve seen people try to read the actual raw buffers and wonder why they get invalid results

[radiant oriole]

lol

[stray oyster]

I don’t wanna point fingers this time tho

[radiant oriole]

Yesterday I had to do some mitm’ing with the handshake packet, which is very easy to read so kinda the level 1 version of reading raw packets

[stray oyster]

Well yea that’s before compression and before encryption

[radiant oriole]

Yes

[stray oyster]

Doesn’t help you to MITM that

Then again some mod loaders do critical client communication before auth

Again, not pointing fingers

[radiant oriole]

Well it does in my case, doing a pretty nonstandard thing where I have to use bungee forwarding and can’t use bungeeguard or anything, and to make matters even worse, a firewall is insufficient

Dw dw I know what I’m doing

[stray oyster]

There is a haproxy mc_guard_auth plugin for bungeeguard messages if I’m not mistaken

[radiant oriole]

Afaik there’s only one other server doing anything close to what I’m trying to accomplish, not sure how they solved this problem but I kinda suspect either 1. They just didn’t solve it and have it insecure, or 2. They’re doing something very similar to what I’m doing

[stray oyster]

Well

Anyway

[potent fossil]

Why do people drink to the point of puking, like, what is the fun in it. I'm just sitting here listening to one of my housemates puke their absolute guts out after drinking to excess and they do not sound like they're having a good time

And it's annoying me

:(

[proud lance]

its the part before the puking thats fun

[potent fossil]

I mean yeah, I drink as well. But I know when I need to stop or at least take a break to hydrate

[proud lance]

the puking is when you make false promises to yourself that you wont drink again

[potent fossil]

They've been puking for 30 minutes straight

Probably just dry-retching at this point

Meh, whatever

I've mostly lost interest in drinking like that, now I just drink to relax while watching a show or something

But some people know I used to get wasted and then come in paper and raise hell

[left swift]

wonder who that could've been

[vernal moth]

The problem is that you puke way after you drank too much

If you are a novice drinker, you don't have perfected the amount of blood alcohol you can handle

It's all about the training and carefully listen to your bodies

There's stories friends told me that I, at one point in the night, just said goodbye (to somebody who I don't even knew), grabbed by jacket and left, walking home, because I felt I had enough to drink, that's how you do it 😂

[potent fossil]

Yea

[potent fossil]

I'm just going to leave this here for any fellow classy TNG and Picard enjoyers.

I present to you Sir Patrick Stewart giving a cornetto ice cream the time of its life.

https://i.imgur.com/ToKtWN5.gifv

Merry Christmas, goodnight

[golden gust]

What's the inverse noise of a whole room of people's brown eyes puckering up

[potent fossil]

You what m8

alright fr going to bed now otherwise i'll have some 10-year-olds beating the shit out of me in the morning to wake up so they can open gifts

merry christmas, goodnight

[rare python]

I have defeated my greatest enemy

[ashen cliff]

Yourself?

[rare python]

Heh heh heh

No more low memory

No more slow swap

No move crashing due to running out of memory

[ashen cliff]

Please tell me you got those on eBay for like 100€ total.

3200

[rare python]

I did not buy them

[ashen cliff]

Nevermind.

[worn ember]

He downloaded them bro

[vernal moth]

T-2h!

https://youtu.be/21X5lGlDOfg

Imagine working on a project for 25 years and then having to watch the launch, knowing you did all you could and all that's left is hoping it goes well

[ashen cliff]

One random intern that wrote some code causing its eventual to crash: Please don't let it be my fault.

[vernal moth]

Right now we don't even have the capability to repair it

Space shuttle is unavailable, star ship isn't available yet

If it's broken, it's gonna chill in orbit for years until we can fix it

[charred sleet]

tbf if some interns code ends up on a launch, after not being checked by anyone. NASA fucked up

[vernal moth]

They have been testing it for 5 years

[charred sleet]

it’ll be fine

yeah

[vernal moth]

They tested it on ground

[rare python]

Wait they test there code? Imagine doing that.

[radiant oriole]

It’s gonna be orbiting at the L2 Lagrange point so it’ll be really hard to get something out there to repair it, and it sure as hell won’t be a human

For reference that’s a bit more than 2x farther than the moon

[rare python]

Is it bad that part of me kinda hopes it will fail.

[golden gust]

I mean, shit happens

Like, such is the quest of engineerding

To be fair, I kinda miss the days of SpaceX and routine RUDs

But, am kinda glad that they've progressed as much as they have

[radiant oriole]

Very much yes, 10B and 25 years of manpower down the drain, and if it works it’ll bring massive scientific discoveries, why on earth would you want it to fail?

[golden gust]

Would maybe inspire some topkek blunderbirds content

[radiant oriole]

The launch is not even the most risky part

[vernal moth]

Hey starship test campaign is only starting now

[rare python]

Things going spectacularly wrong can be entertaining... especially when your not affected by it.

[vernal moth]

You are tho

You really are

[radiant oriole]

It’s far more likely that something fails while it’s deploying and unfolding itself, which is still not likely but, if it fails, it probably won’t be with a bang.

[golden gust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvim4rsNHkQ

[vernal moth]

Webb is incredible important to the future of humanity

[golden gust]

for what?

[vernal moth]

Cat we can enjoy ton of early star ship booster and ship landings

[golden gust]

figuring out which direction to aim when we burn this planet to the ground?

[ashen cliff]

We need another ISEE-3.

We no longer that the equipment needed to work with it, here, have it.
Some randoms with parts from eBay: ☭ OUR ☭ SATELLITE.

[rare python]

Also who said humanity had a future?

[vernal moth]

If it would have no future, might as well jump from the next bridge, am I right?

[golden gust]

livestream or it didn't happen

[ashen cliff]

You kind of just go with the flow.

[radiant oriole]

Imagine you spent 25 years of your life working on this thing, and it all vanishes in an instant. Do you think you’d get a laugh out of the fireworks show? I didn’t think so.

[rare python]

Oh but other people would.

[vernal moth]

Not really

It's different if SpaceX crashes a test vehicle vs a once in a lifetime human achievement failing

[radiant oriole]

Honestly there’s no launch vehicle that exists that I like launching webb

It’s too priceless to be launched by anything we have

[golden gust]

Yea, but, better in 200 pieces rather than sitting on the ground useless

Like, at least we woulda tried and had the potential to get use out of it

[dreamy rapids]

Hé les gens, je voulais juste vous souhaiter de bonnes vacances et de bonnes fêtes. Discord est rempli de messages tout faits qu'on ne lit même pas, on se contente de copier-coller sur chaque serveur, moi j'aime pas ça, j'aime écrire avec mon cœur. Notre amitié, de la plus profonde à la plus virtuelle, est très importante pour moi et ne pourrait jamais être représentée par un message tout fait venant de n'importe où. Donc, je voudrais vous remercier tous, vous êtes le meilleur serveur furry roleplaying dans lequel je n'ai jamais été.

[rare python]

I don't need to stick that in to google translate to know that I don't wanna read it.

[coarse lily]

It’s a French translated copy paste.

[rare python]

I guessed that it was french.

[void void]

serveur furry roleplaying
I guess we can blame leaf for that

[coarse lily]

He’s not a furry.

[void void]

[radiant oriole]

[fallen oracle]

hr 30 till launch?

[radiant oriole]

1h

[fallen oracle]

ty

[twin lagoon]

https://twitter.com/FBI/status/812643007203659776?s=20

FBI (@FBI)

Happy holidays from the #FBI

Retweets

61097

Likes

98277

Twitter · Dec 24, 2016, 12:56 PM

[void void]

amazing mspaint art

[golden gust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZAnM5ltvRs

[umbral prawn]

how to install paper 1.8

[crystal lily]

https://papermc.io/downloads

[twin lagoon]

scroll down to legacy

download the jar and good luck because that's all the support you get

[umbral prawn]

I couldn't find it, can you send the link?

@twin lagoon

[twin lagoon]

i literally sent a link

and told you to scroll down to legacy

[umbral prawn]

what will ı do

[twin lagoon]

read it

[daring gulch]

HYPE

5 minutes to launch

[twin lagoon]

[rare python]

You should not even give that much support lol

[umbral prawn]

okey thanks

[twin lagoon]

1 minute

[golden gust]

some serious tongtangulation here

[fallen oracle]

15 seconds

[twin lagoon]

liftoff

[golden gust]

cameras are useless

[umbral prawn]

hello chat

[twin lagoon]

it do be like that

telescopes are fake

it has always been a simulation

[umbral prawn]

What is the difference between purpur and paper

[rare python]

Ask purpur

[twin lagoon]

purpur is paper with bloatware features that should belong in a plugin

also it is not available for 1.8, nothing is

[rare python]

but you should not be using 1.8 anyways, so don't worry about that

[golden gust]

god I wish this was a spacex launch

[umbral prawn]

help me server stoped

[twin lagoon]

1.8 isn't supported

[daring gulch]

A lot of it is really good customization options really

[twin lagoon]

you have literally gone through a quiz that mentions that you're not getting support

[rare python]

1.8 is not supported, be gone.

[magic river]

wow wtf, did they launch early?

[umbral prawn]

ok ı am sorry

[rare python]

Please learn to read.

[daring gulch]

A lot of the options should be in Paper tbh

[rare python]

Then use 1.17/18

[twin lagoon]

some of them yes

but not everything

purpur's config is fucking 1400 lines long

[daring gulch]

That's mainly the mob riding options yes

[rare python]

Mob riding options? Lol what.

[umbral prawn]

luckperms or groupmanager which is better

[twin lagoon]

luckperms

[rare python]

luckperms

[golden gust]

primary reason that fork was created is because mob riding

[worn crest]

definitly luckperms

[golden gust]

I kinda wish that that was doable with API

[magic river]

I woke up early for this shit and they launched like 10 minutes early so I missed it anyway

[golden gust]

Some aspects of it would be trivial to expose with API

some aspects are ass

[twin lagoon]

if you remove the mob section of purpur's config you're still left with 600 lines

[umbral prawn]

Is it ryzen 9 3900x or intel i9 9900

[twin lagoon]

if you're asking what is better

3900x

[rare python]

AMD best right now

[daring gulch]

According to Billy it's md5's fault in the first place, he kept making it too difficult to maintain a plugin for rideable mobs

[woeful coyote]

I havw a 3950x even betterer

[magic river]

9900 might be better for chunk gen

And if you're asking for your desktop you might get slightly better FPS in games with the 9900

[woeful coyote]

^ true

[golden gust]

"fantastic images of james webb"

image literally flickering in and out

ohhhh, extendy

[magic river]

So now we have to wait 5 days for the next scary bit

L + 5 days: Release sunshade restraints

[dreamy rapids]

Good morning guys, I just wanted to wish y’all a merry chrismast. I know Discord is filled with copied-pasted messages that people don’t read but I really wanted to write with my heart today. In this server I met some people with who I developed a big and deep relationship even if it was virtual. Thanks to all the staff for this server, it is the best furry roleplaying one.

[twin lagoon]

Доброе утро, ребята, я просто хотел пожелать вам веселого Рождества. Я знаю, что Discord наполнен скопированными-вставленными сообщениями, которые люди не читают, но я действительно хотел написать сегодня от всего сердца. На этом сервере я встретил некоторых людей, с которыми у меня сложились большие и глубокие отношения, даже если они были виртуальными. Спасибо всему персоналу за этот сервер, это лучший пушистый ролевой сервер.

[magic river]

Fucking twitch memes

L + 29 days is when everything is all deployed and in position

L + 29 days: Begin cooldown

After that they start aligning and calibrating everything and waiting for it to get cold enough

[vernal moth]

That's the thing that failed horrible before

That's gonna be scary

[magic river]

Before?

[vernal moth]

Ye, years back in testing

[magic river]

Oh, right

[prisma kraken]

Merry Christmas to All

[dreamy rapids]

thanks for translating my message ❤️❤️

[magic river]

But yeah, between 5 and 29 days from now there is a scary chance the whole thing fails

[vernal moth]

During a test they completely ripped the sun shield

[dreamy rapids]

next step marry me

[magic river]

If we make it past 29 days we're at least getting some science out of it, even if we don't get what we're after

Stream over, time to go back to bed

[untold copper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnsRdaZTMas

look what i found

can some boomer please explain what this is

[golden gust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z7p0oM4_RM

[untold copper]

cat

[untold copper]

please explain what this is

i have a feeling that you'll know

[golden gust]

idfk

[untold copper]

re

[golden gust]

was some shit from years ago which was only popular afaik cos it was based around some rando game and by rooster teeth

[untold copper]

oh

rando games looks like shit

prolly because it's old tho

[blazing quarry]

Is it intended that servers on Paper have separate gamerules for each world, unlike vanilla?

[golden gust]

Yes

that's a craftbukkit feature which has been around for years

[blazing quarry]

Oh ok

[plain herald]

hey

I want to make a minecraft server and I would like version 1.8 and 1.18 how can I do that?

I installed 1.18 paper and it doesn't let me enter with versions other than 1.18

can you help me ?

[plucky sparrow]

use viarewind

[plain herald]

link pls ? private ?

@plucky sparrow

[golden gust]

Google it

[plain herald]

okk

[viral lion]

@void void

[spare venture]

i’m gonna be honest you’re the worst kind of zoomer

[magic river]

machinima called random boomer shit, it hurts

[spare venture]

also how is halo a rando game

[foggy silo]

very "random"

[golden gust]

not a franchies I ever partook in

[twin lagoon]

i've never heard of anyone being excited for halo outside of the US

[spare venture]

probably because xbox has mostly been a UK/NA console

[golden gust]

am in the UK, at least in my age groups, halo wasn't really a huge thing

[warm anchor]

Zcat old

[spare venture]

in the us during the last generation, playstation really dominated

now the xbox is outselling the ps5 in us

[potent fossil]

Morning, Merry Christmas

Waiting for kids to arrive. Trying to down as much coffee as possible

[spare venture]

yeah the ps4 exclusives were chefs kiss

yeah replace a font character with an image in your resource pack

astros playroom was pretty fun tbh

[potent fossil]

welp

some surfer got killed by a shark at one of my local beaches yesterday

F

[spare venture]

damn

[potent fossil]

and they aren't sure why he was out there cause the surf was shit due to...it being rainy and very windy in the wrong direction

but, i mean, rip

[golden gust]

I come from a poor council estate where many of our consoles where obtained/bought several years after release

the wii is probs the only time we got a console within like 3 years of release or whatever

[potent fossil]

Not all of UK lol

poor council estate

[spare venture]

nice

[potent fossil]

So could he....that's not what poor council estate means

[golden gust]

I come from a pretty run down city in a even more financially unstable environment, so, day 1 console releases where never a thing

[spare venture]

yeah…

not everyone has money man

[potent fossil]

Good lord lol

[golden gust]

So, things like the xbox we got like maaaany years after the console released

[spare venture]

day 1 console releases are never worth it

[golden gust]

I'm bad at chrono memory but pretty sure we had a wii before we had an xbox

[waxen panther]

[foggy silo]

hi broc!!

[spare venture]

i only did it for the ps5 because i figured it would be really difficult to get it for a long time (and i was right)

[twin lagoon]

[waxen panther]

good afternoon !

[twin lagoon]

best brocc

[potent fossil]

I think the last console I had was xbox 360, and we picked that up at some hand-me-down near the time the One was coming out

[waxen panther]

best michael !

[foggy silo]

Hi Michael!! 👋

[spare venture]

yeah i spent $650 on a 1660 super 💀

i have a disposable income now so it doesn’t really matter

[golden gust]

I think we got the OG xbox a while after the 360 release as one of our families friends got a 360 and they didn't need/want the old console anymore, so, we got a OG xbox after we had a wii

[potent fossil]

Send me some barty

[golden gust]

before that was a PS1 we got cheap off my uncle and then a few PS2s

So, yea, for me and much of the people around me, halo was not a thing 😄

[potent fossil]

Halo can be a thing now cat

Let's go teabag some mf aliens

[golden gust]

oh god