best michael
#general
mild rune
void void
you're gonna set kenny's AV off again
mild rune
quasi valley
wget from wsl worked™️
mild rune
inb4 sets it off again
twin lagoon
wget from wsl worked™️
this is an actual way of how some viruses get around defender
because you're pretty much undetected
quasi valley
lol
twin lagoon
i'm also surprised that the world is only 32mb after 2 hours of uptime and like 20 players
weak spear
i'm also surprised that the world is only 32mb after 2 hours of uptime and like...
what, really?
on 1.18?
twin lagoon
uptime
17:37:24 up 704 days, 11:38, 6 users, load average: 0.45, 0.48, 0.46
oh thats nothing!
twin lagoon
paper test server going strong
weak spear
30 days
twin lagoon
that is something
weak spear
cosmic raft
mild rune
some host probably
left swift
3 edge
viscid wedge
Unrelated to Minecraft, but has anyone tried the IBM Semeru JDK distribution?
magic river
There was at least one host I recognized the name of that was using API v1 still
Someone mentioned it a couple days after the API went down
rare python
Welp the spawn is gone
mighty bobcat
It was fun while it lasted 🙂
coarse lily
It'll be back
twin lagoon
it's back
proud lance
is this paper nonsense?
rare python
Here are the screenshots I took seconds before reset
proud lance
coarse lily
Time to build again!
mild rune
yes that's paper
coarse lily
Snow spawn
proud lance
how dare they
coarse lily
Yeah Michael it's proper quick.
twin lagoon
mfw test server builds paper faster than paper's teamcity
rare python
Screenshots taken just before the test server reset.
You may want to replace the old pin with a new one with these screenshots
twin lagoon
mild rune
michael is the new teamcity
twin lagoon
it's a good thing i uploaded that world since i rm -rf world* apparently
mild rune
lmfao
magic river
Did @proud lance already have the best role on the server or did that only happen after they asked about the EULA?
regal mica
Who can support the plugin for 1.18?
twin lagoon
alright the server is back up and doesn't reset the world
proud lance
I already had it
I forget why
I think I came in saying I want taco bell
and how cheesy gordita crunches were amazing
proud lance
I used to have taco hater role
magic river
Pretty sure the rest of us got it for saying tacos suck and/or burritos are better
Yeah, it's the same role, just renamed
proud lance
tacos are better than burritos, you get crunch with tacos
magic river
I guess a gordita isn't a taco?
magic river
Weird that would trigger the taco hater role
proud lance
mild rune
I'm eating enchiladas
proud lance
who hurt you
vestal jasper
tbh that looks pretty good
tropic flame
nomana is 23?!
storm sun
good evening. i have a question about 1.18
mighty bobcat
storm sun
when are the plug ins going to arrive?
left swift
never they're stuck in the suez canal
storm sun
or is it diffrent from plug in to plug in ?
golden gust
wat
rare python
when are the plug ins going to arrive?
That depends on when the developers of those plugins do there update
golden gust
We literally have 0 control over random software on the internet
shit updates when shit updates
left swift
my server keeps crashing
mild rune
get outta here nomana
golden gust
nomana is literally the epitome of everything that is wrong with this community
left swift
I am absolute
the end all
I would post my fuck you nomana screenshot but I don't know where it is
wispy blade
cat is literally the epitome of everything that is wrong with this community
with his weird speech patterns
coarse lily
god FAWE is so hot
nmf++
twin lagoon
@mossy vessel 🥺
wispy blade
excuse me what the fuck
mild rune
what
left swift
naomi just got owned
left swift
smartPWNED
mild rune
wispy blade
assuming i like guys
left swift
hasty jasper
stop teasing us please
magic river
imma have to marry you
left swift
cat is just hannah Montana linux running in a VM on windows 8
left swift
#freecat
proud lance
do we need a priest to get this wedding on?
proud lance
police officer stripper for cat's bachelor party ayy
left swift
think cat forgot naomi is like 12
proud lance
thats not much better
left swift
wispy blade
16 is legal tho 😬
tropic flame
can't drink alcohol == still baby
wispy blade
wtf
twin lagoon
on god brother
waxen panther
@minor badge make it happen
tropic flame
bruh, Netherlands fucking up all the fun
wispy blade
cat will literally unban me cuz he'll miss me
waxen panther
cat will literally unban me cuz he'll miss me
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
wispy blade
ok brocc
worn ember
i like how belgium isnt even on that list, so probably 13 then right?
void void
yes
wispy blade
it's either i get a brain and learn FP or V gets module-wide variables
tropic flame
i like how belgium isnt even on that list, so probably 13 then right?
yes, unlisted countries are by default 13+
worn ember
@wispy bladeget fukt
mild rune
it's either i get a brain and learn FP or V gets module-wide variables
which is harder
wispy blade
the first one
mild rune
no shock
worn ember
go sleep
rose raptor
Anyone has a config for nether antixray?
crystal lilyBOT
rose raptor
I've used those, but the nether one doesn't work properly
golden gust
I mean, that's the updated page
"not working properly" gives nobody anything to go off
mossy vessel
<@!254790994594234370> 🥺
twin lagoon
nmf you have an outstanding ban
mild rune
bye naomi
wispy blade
cat, this one's for you :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymJvGqzuEVU
mossy vessel
Smh Michele, this is not how it works
twin lagoon
how is that not how it works
jaunty fjord
i know this has been asked a billion times but how stable is paper iyo
twin lagoon
stable enough to survive a 100 player anarchy server
tropic flame
1.18? not stable
twin lagoon
on 1.18
jaunty fjord
1.18? not stable
how so
tropic flame
or, well, Michael's answer
jaunty fjord
in what ways is it "unstable"
left swift
I read somewhere that 1.18 can host 50k players and print money
jaunty fjord
"not working properly" gives nobody anything to go off
fr
golden gust
don't mention
jaunty fjord
i want to know what they mean
if its small bugs i can overlook those but if we talking world corruption
golden gust
On the basis that it's showing overworld blocks
mild rune
I read somewhere that 1.18 can host 50k players and print money
wanna start a money printing farmnetwork?
golden gust
am guessing that you literally didn't configure it properly to begin with
rose raptor
it works fine in overworld
jaunty fjord
am guessing that you literally didn't configure it properly to begin with
do you think the current build could handle a ten player server
wispy blade
#paper-help anyway
tropic flame
fun fact, discord is so great you can't actually see if the reply had ping on
on mobile*
tropic flame
also the file picker has been broken for ages
only the pictures/videos one and the camera work
at least the app lets me open an external app as file picker
i just use mixplorer when i need
left swift
TRUE I dont ever use that I never noticed
you ever get the bug where if you have emote tab open and try to swipe left too fast it all gets stuck and you have to reopen discord
tropic flame
no, but i have this bug where if I'm in a voice channel, leave and then close discord, if i open the app again it sends me to the last channel i was in with someone else
left swift
tropic flame
i basically mute myself before leaving voice channels because of this
the way to mitigate this is by force closing in android's settings
wispy blade
i have this nice bug where photos taken with the camera directly through discord don't save to my camera roll
spiral robin
tropic flame
isn't that normal though?
tropic flame
mine don't either unless i save them
wispy blade
no? it worked on my previous phone
tropic flame
wtf
tropic flame
wtf x2
mfw i call Ms teams a piece of trash but at least it ain't as buggy
and i can screenshare properly and turn my camera on without crashing
meanwhile discord 
magic river
Yeah but have you tried to type in Teams?
Holy shit don't try to use any formatting or emoji
rare python
coarse lily
Pufferguy in view
neat fiber
Anyone by chacne familiar with reading nbt/.dat files from servers?
golden gust
.dontask
limber knotBOT
merry talon
whenever I need help I find pinging cat repeatedly tends to work
mighty bobcat
Thanks to everyone that made tonight enjoyable and bringing a little part of the community together. Especially to the Paper staff that do all this work for us. Had a great time building the impromptu spawn and meeting some of you 🙂
potent fossil
i read .dat files for leisure
just connect it right to my brain and cat file.dat > /mnt/brain
ancient bolt
dats old
mild rune
I learned about DAT from techmoan
golden gust
ditto
I mean, I knew it existed, but, he was like the first person I saw who actually had anything to say beyond acknowledging it exists
mild rune
Yeah
technology connections uploaded a new video about holiday lights again
so I had to go drop everything and watch it
golden gust
Yea, I just saw the thumbnail for that
I'm, erm
working on slowly closing tabs and watching stuff
neat fiber
Can anyone recommend a tool to read .dat files? Or output them into a json format? I'm running my server on debian, and wasn't able to get NBTExplorer/NBTUtil to work.
My goal is to make a dashboard and periodically skim the dat files for certain variables.
potent fossil
.dat is just a generic data file. There isn't some magic program that can just read it
golden gust
I mean, lazy website is webnbt
potent fossil
Varying internal formats, but for nbt sure
golden gust
you can't represent nbt in json properly anyways
merry talon
technology connections uploaded a new video about holiday lights again
that was the most nerdy video I've seen from him so far lmao
potent fossil
This one isn't bad https://irath96.github.io/webNBT/
neat fiber
Right, I suppsoe they are nbt's not just .dats.
I saw the irath96 one, but I'm looking to automate it from CLI, and I'm not 100% sure if that's something I could do? I suppose I could try and see if it'll react to post commands, but I'm looking for something local.
potent fossil
you can't represent nbt in json properly anyways
.
potent fossil
i guess, could try one of those js nbt parser libs and forcing it to output as json 
wonder what the result would be there
golden gust
I mean, you can kinda represent stuff as json
Just, you could never go to json and back
potent fossil
striox are you a programmer
neat fiber
Right, I'm not doing it for editing purposes, purely searching.
I know a small bit of python.
potent fossil
oh well that's not gonna help
there's this but it's just a lib https://github.com/PrismarineJS/prismarine-nbt
you'd need to make a js project, include it, write some crap to take files from command line, run it thru that, and output the json
but 
idk if something already exists
neat fiber
Okay, so the most effective route will be to write my own program/script for this?
merry talon
tbh I don't even know what nbt is, is it just the binary blobs that you can't represent in json?
golden gust
Easiest option is to just use wbenbt
merry talon
you could sorta base64 it or something
potent fossil
named! binary! tAG!
golden gust
basically, yes
but, nbt has different types for stuff like numbers
So, you can technically represent nbt as json, but, you couldn't ever go back
mojang has their snbt "json like" strings
merry talon
gotcha
potent fossil
ok who's taken linear algebra
i need a dumb af explanation for tf is an eigenvalue cause my prof just showed how to find them and did not explain what the fuck they are
roots of the characteristic equation, cool
brave mountain
I want to dive into programming, but I want to begin with scripting like bash/sell, python
potent fossil
why important
potent fossil
I want to dive into programming, but I want to begin with scripting like bash/se...
great news
potent fossil
golden gust
bash is literally one of the most fucking asine things in existence
brave mountain
but why
golden gust
Do yourself a favour and work with something sane, you can work on punishing yourself later
Because bash scripting itself is nuanced and trivial but often a pita because of syntax semantics
potent fossil
i also would not learn programming with bash but
if you want to be a masochist be my guest
golden gust
Not to mention that 99% of "scripting" in bash is whipping yourself while tryna parse the output of random commands and shit
Do yourself a favour and work with a sane language in which there is much competent material out there
neat fiber
So, you can technically represent nbt as json, but, you couldn't ever go back
My goal is importing the nbt data to splunk, or grafana, so it doesn't need to go back into a nbt format. I was just hoping for json or yaml because it's easier to parse.
brave mountain
😅
golden gust
Punishing yourself day 1 is literally just asking for failure
merry talon
if you're doing shell scripting shellcheck.net and bash strict mode are your best friends
brave mountain
I have a question, Is it the same if I use ZSH as SELL?
golden gust
No
zsh is not bash
for the most part it's compat but there are some stupid areas of zsh
merry talon
if at all possible I would use fish tbh
brave mountain
thank you sweepy, electro
potent fossil
zsh has its own deal but, you can still write bash and just do bash myfile.sh
or put #!/bin/bash at the top
merry talon
what he said 
potent fossil
wtf is this learn the hard way site 
PAY? to LEARN A LANGUAGE WITH FREE DOCS?
heresy
brave mountain
I've heard that
brave mountain
thank you
potent fossil
arguably freecodecamp probably has better resources for python
300 hours of yummy yummy python
hmm, they say 300 hours but that looks more like 30 hours for a committed person
i had to learn it for my physics classes which i have to take for ungodly reasons that no one actually knows
"because the university wants it"
ok
C# 
merry talon
I would not learn C++ in 2021 lol
quiet mesa
thanks intellij update...
this in all projects what try to open
ancient bolt
uninstall mcdev for now
somehow they changed something between the RC and release that completely fucked over mcdev
so you know, standard jetbrains
ancient bolt
are you saying you don't have the Minecraft Development for IntelliJ plugin installed?
you do, I can tell by the screenshot
disable the plugin for now
brave mountain
I'm interested in C++ for the emulators
serene peak
anyone else having terrible TPS on 1.18 vanilla server jar
i have like 10 people online with 6 gb ram allocated yet the TPS is still bad
brave mountain
Linux kernel it's moving from c++ to other language, but I don't remember what
midnight gust
Hey guys I know this isn't probably the use of this channel but I can't think of any other places to ask. On my Minecraft server I used to have paper 1.17.1, for the new update I removed it and replaced it with the new 1.18 server jar from minecraft's website. The overworld is the same (other than new chunks with the new worldgen), but the nether has completely reset. Is there a way to get my old nether back?
quiet mesa
disable the plugin for now
nice now load the project only has this warning xd
thanks
ancient bolt
Linux kernel it's moving from c++ to other language, but I don't remember what
Linux kernel is written in C, not C++, and it's not moving to anything else
waxen panther
drivers are starting to use rust in places but it wont replace C for at least a hundred years
ancient bolt
the option to write certain parts of it in rust will be available (probably)
potent fossil
Cause it doesn't stop you from blowing up your computer if that's what you intend to do 
brave mountain
It's near low level
potent fossil
That's a meme don't listen to me, denwav is more sane than I am at the current time
(maybe)
livid plume
gg
potent fossil
can i get code for your bare metal
golden gust
Because muh rust safe
at the end of the day, if a language can offer some idiocy barriers, you know
it just leads to offer a more stable environment at the end of the day
brave mountain
lol, where did you find mannequins for your mc server
potent fossil
u wot
brave mountain
How do you program a programming language?
golden gust
I mean, you design it
You write tools to parse itinto something
you then use that parsing to shit out some form of binary format
potent fossil
alright i gotta stop memeing. going to do math homework. if someone wants to explain what the fuck eigenvalues actually are then that'd be great but for now i will find a shitload of them. cause i can sure find em. but idfk what the fuck to use em for
golden gust
most people that I see these days basically just use the llvm tooling stack stuff
Eigenvalues are a special set of scalars associated with a linear system of equations (i.e., a matrix equation) that are sometimes also known as characteristic roots, characteristic values (Hoffman and Kunze 1971), proper values, or latent roots (Marcus and Minc 1988, p. 144).
So
I basically have no fucking idea
walks out
brave mountain
I'm kidding 😂, I know it's like God creating Adan from dirt
shell mesa
ah yeah, λ
potent fossil
yea i read that but it didn't help
yup i can get the characteristic equation, get the eigenvalues, find the eigenvectors, find the eigenspace
i can find them all day
but idk what the fuck they're good for
my prof didn't bother to mention
shell mesa
they're just the scale factors in the Ax=λx equation
they're just intermediary values associated with the final product
golden gust
am not sure if I'm happy with somebody trying to save simples ass
shell mesa
the eigenvector
golden gust
I mean, I'll allow it, but, like, you know
potent fossil
yes i can find the eigenvector
what's an application of it
at this point in the semester it seems like he's just tossing shit at us and not giving any actual usage for it. he's like "these exist here's how to find em"
"k"
shell mesa
my mind is dead inside right now so I can't remember back to my lineq class over the summer right now but I do know they have a good number of applications
golden gust
"Nothing, it's just some shit somemath profs came up with when they where drunk af and added it to their exam"
shell mesa
If you were just introduced to them I'm sure you'll get to the applications soon
brave mountain
That's what you learn in 1st world universities?
worn ember
Did you see the bridge example at least xD
potent fossil
the what
brave mountain
Here people get out barely knowing how to fix windows
potent fossil
here's what the lecture consisted of, im not shitting you.
"if you have this matrix A, then heres how to find the characteristic equation. ok yay! solve that thing for the roots! WOAW! the roots are the eigenvalues!!!!!!!! WOAWWWW! heres how to find the eigenvectors! woooooooooo! once u have the eigenvectors for each eigenvalue you can find the eigenspaces!"
"ok have good day bye"
shell mesa
what class is this for?
potent fossil
linear algebra & differential equations
golden gust
outside of that?
brave mountain
Do you have a problem with windows?
Just run format c:\ all you problems will be gone in a short period of time.
golden gust
Making simple cry
shell mesa
do you have any more reqs that will build on this later down the line?
worn ember
Aren't they used for normalizing vectors?
shell mesa
idk why they waited until the last lecture to introduce eigenvalues / vectors
that was like week 3 or 4 in my class and we built on them for the rest of the semester
potent fossil
i mean, probably something when i transfer to uni but at the college im currently at no, that's the highest math class they offer
shell mesa
ah rip
potent fossil
so im done with math for the time being till i transfer out
shell mesa
yeah it just sounds like this class was very poorly designed tbh
potent fossil
prof just sucks ngl
we were in person at the beginning of the sem and then he blasted out an email that he was taking us online and we all had to buy the online textbook/homework system and he didnt even do zoom lectures, just posted youtube videos riddled with mistakes
has been an interesting semester
love payin for classes like that 
worn ember
Yeah those are the worst
Had a few lectors like that
One would literally just read from his book for 2h straight
Like bro i can do that at home why am I here
spare venture
eigenvalues/eigenvectors are usually taught later in linear algebra once you have an understanding of vector space and stuff
potent fossil
yea we did vector spaces
worn ember
We use them with matrices
potent fossil
though not sure if i truly understand any of this junk, as our enter semester was essentially the crap i just explained
worn ember
Well ig they're more or less the same
potent fossil
we did 1st order DEs, then moved on to matrices which we spent forever on (almost the entire sem), then moved on to 2nd order DEs which we barely touched, and then back to matrices for eigenvalues and diagonalization
But I feel like I definitely got screwed on understanding
The lectures were probably trash
worn ember
I honestly have the same issue with all this matrix crap. Like ok bro very cool but what the fuck am i calculating this shit for
Not a fan
potent fossil
The only thing I've successfully used matrices for is solving linear systems which is great
Used it in physics for solving KVL (Kirchhoff's voltage law) shit
also the math prof constantly says in his lectures "y'all dont need to be going to college to learn this just open a math book and read and do problems till u understand" as reasoning for why he doesn't do many examples or doesn't cover some things
it's insane
exotic tusk
can u get bedrock free still if u have java ?
fk wanted to test Gyser to see if it was working
ty
south matrix
gets win 10 edition free
switches to linux
south matrix
i disagree
jaunty fjord
> gets win 10 edition free
> switches to linux
jagged nova
Hi
outer patio
potent fossil
paperchan was not designed she was born
spare venture
linear algebra is really useful in kinetics, quantum mechanics, solving systems of linear equations, and fluid mechanics, heat transfer, mass transfer
potent fossil
@spare venture i need examples 
spare venture
kinetics
potent fossil
yep i definitely see a matrix in there
spare venture
spare venture
a lot of it is just solving systems of equations
i mean thats pretty much all linear algebra is tho lol
potent fossil
yea thats what ive used it for in electromechanics
potent fossil
bc linear alg is not a prereq for the physics class im in, the "official way" was to get a system of equations and solve by substitition
so i decided to use a matrix
oblique hare
When will we get PaperMC for 1.18?
crystal lilyBOT
ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!
potent fossil
spare venture
tldr google is just a lot of linear algebra
potent fossil
wow
pastel pivot
I have a funny matrix in my thesis 😄
potent fossil
sir
we never even learned what those dots mean
someone teach me now
learning linear algebra on papermc discord be like
pastel pivot
Well in my case it just means "and so on" 😄
marsh charm
it doesn't mean anything they just didn't want to write 0 and v over and over
potent fossil
so it means repeat what's diagonally or horizontally or whatever
pastel pivot
yeah, here it's a bit more obvious.
potent fossil
aight that makes sense
my prof never bothered to tell us what it means
he doesn't bother with a lot of things, ima have to pick up a lin alg book and do some reading cause he scammed us
marsh charm
how will papermc ever get updated to 1.18 if everybody is going to be too busy doing the superior advent of code problems instead?
marsh charm
2 hours
marsh charm
I already got my optimistic parsing boilerplate written https://bpa.st/QESA
marsh charm
what what?
potent fossil
oh you take the input file and sort it all into diff arrays? for wat
viscid wedge
One of my players just asked me to reduce the curve of enchantment costs
Why, you ask?
Whatever the fuck this is
unkempt drift
oh, like combining them in an anvil?
potent fossil
if its mega enchanted it should cost more, that's capitalism at work!
viscid wedge
Exactly
spare venture
well the problem is that anvils have a limit of 40 levels, if it is greater, it just says "too expensive" for some reason.
potent fossil
because the anvil knows you're a poor lad living in a rich boi's world
viscid wedge
well the problem is that anvils have a limit of 40 levels, if it is greater, it ...
Intentional game design
waxen panther
jmp on top
proven echo
Anyone know approx time paper take to make new update it will be helpful
crystal lilyBOT
ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!
jagged nova
Lol
dawn pond
And people who don’t understand how spigot papermc and purpur work in my server be like
jagged nova
Ikr I had some guy saying can u just update the server to 1.18 but like no we can’t, we need plugins
jagged nova
Yea
mild rune
just update 
elfin steppe
foggy veldt
I wish I knew world gen stuffs I had this idea of mystcraft as a plugin
tropic flame
<https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/nottooexpensive.62680/>
this is awesome, the only thing i hate is the config file with spaces in the keys...
gosh
void geyser
odds?
worldly abyss
anywhere i can find plugins that are released (stable or not) for 1.18?
worldly abyss
I know, just wondering.
true canyon
Most plugins will just work on it without even needing an update. Some, ones that you see mentioning that they use "NMS" aka Minecraft internals, will almost certainly need to update. Regardless, it's always worth just trying stuff out (and being patient)
potent fossil
there's no special place and also ^
true canyon
Don't tell simple about our special place where we keep the plugins
potent fossil
Don't tell mbax where I stash all the catnip, he's banned
bleak apex
Hi, is there a way to protect the world seed from bruteforcing?
golden gust
use a custom world generator
there are options in paper.yml to adjust the feature seeds, but, like, there are still ways to bypass that stuff
or, well, crack it
(does make it harder though)
magic river
It goes from seconds to like hours or something
marsh charm
advent of code wouldn't accept y solution for like 30 seconds
I kept getting 504 gateway errors Q_Q
I ended up okay but it's not good enough to score on leaderboard
magic river
So on that TV walmart screwed up on, this got kind of weird
Turns out the house it was delivered to knew a T. Watkins (name on the label, guess they ran out of room) and gave it to them. That person was my cousin's wife so when my dad posted about it on facebook he said something and we got the TV anyway
Got a refund from walmart yesterday too...
potent fossil
http://paper.owo.foundation/6bfoEDM.png
they said they want eigenvectors. i put in eigenvectors. it says fuck you no, the right answer is (((insert eigen__values__)))
mild rune
so what I'm hearing is free tv
magic river
🆓 📺 👍
It's just kind of crazy that the random house it was delivered to was someone who knew the name on it (or thought they did) and were nice enough to not pretend it never showed up and just get a TV
Like, it's even still in the box
mild rune
That's basically how my chromecast ended up at my house
Guess whoever around me got it brought it over
Google still sent a replacement 
magic river
Although they were apparently only half a block away, I guess my neighborhood looks weird from their house, so they also could have just walked down the hill and knocked on our door
mild rune
Usually when my stuff gets delivered incorrectly it's at my neighbor up a hill and I just drive up to get it
magic river
Even now that I know where the picture of it was taken I still can't figure out what I'm looking at
mild rune
lmfao
magic river
My address ends in 21, it was sent to 01
mild rune
Google sent the replacement also via Fedex so the odds of it going elsewhere again are high
magic river
I didn't check the shipping label though, maybe it got smeared or they misprinted 01 on there
I'll have to remember to look tomorrow (i'm in bed)
mild rune
I can see a 21 being smeared into a 01
spare venture
i dont get why discrete packaging on expensive electronics isnt more of a thing
or getting a damn signature
magic river
Eh, it was $400
mild rune
I pay so much to get a signature for my address
magic river
iirc the rule used to be signature on anything over $500
mild rune
since I'm in a "low risk area"
spare venture
had a computer monitor get delivered earlier than normal today so i was at work, and it was in the most "steal me" packaging ever
mild rune
yeah no one is gonna steal it but fuck me the package never gets to my house anyways
magic river
Now it's a complicated thing based on value, exterior box appearance, location, etc
Fucking data scientists
mild rune
I forget what expensive shit I got was shipped in the retail packaging
spare venture
apparently seattle is the 4th worst city for package theft
mild rune
oh my $400 steering wheel for games
spare venture
so yeah
magic river
Oh you get things drop shipped?
Err, maybe that's the wrong term
You ship them to someone who then ships them to you
spare venture
huh
mild rune
Nah I only order through amazon really
spare venture
i just dont want my shit getting yoinked
mild rune
^
unkempt drift
well, not here. I'm sure there's some subreddit somewhere
potent fossil
this is what happens when middle teens congregate on the internet
vernal moth
Just sue em
daring owl
fuck did i ping again
potent fossil
idc
potent fossil
nop
merry talon
just click the button?
void void
hi
viscid wedge
<link deleted>
For educational purposes only
warm anchor
viscid wedge
Educational purposes ONLY
warm anchor
Just send him dm lol
wispy blade
not to mention all messages are publicly logged on irc
viscid wedge
I only care about casual observers
mild rune
what about professional observers?
viscid wedge
they already saw it
wispy blade
@mild rune project's on hold until V allows a feature outside the standard library
i got no docs to write
coarse lily
Hi
golden gust
hey, am just speakin for what the people want
wispy blade
i hope the loose flaps of skin on your finger pull all the way up your shoulder <3
viscid wedge
asshole
wispy blade
no u
marble lark
i hope the loose flaps of skin on your finger pull all the way up your shoulder ...
f*ckin christ wts
viscid wedge
Java phone
wispy blade
Java phone
tough ledge
javaaaaaaaaa
vital heart
Lmaooo
magic river
Huh, there is a startup that pays every employee the same salary, $175,000, and someone is complaining that's too low and wondering if they ever do exceptions before deciding if he should bother applying
Silicon Valley was a mistake?
(not the show, the show is great)
coarse lily
(not the show, the show is great)
The show is a documentary.
magic river
A documentary about how fucked the place is
coarse lily
Yeeeep.
it's messed up driving around there and seeing the billboards for shit no one else has ever heard of before that make no sense to anyone.
warm anchor
Oh yeah > high salary > drive up cost of living > native locals being pushed away > city increase tax knowing those unicorns won’t stay for long > the grind
magic river
The attempted fix for that, freezing property taxes when you buy a property, actually makes things worse there too, iirc
Someone had some argument for why that made sense
warm anchor
The playbook now is just keep on switching between startups and up your salaries > keep grinding for a decades or two and retiree into consultant positions
magic river
I think it was because redeveloping a property would also increase the rates so there was even less incentive to make multi-family buildings unless they were big expensive condos
warm anchor
Cities are usually short sighted
That would required good plannings and long term budgeting for all that
magic river
Step 1: Mixed use zoning
Everyone pictures industrial when you say that and goes reflexively NIMBY
Motherfucker I don't want a chemical plant next door I want a grocery store and a sandwich shop
wispy blade
shoutout to my mom
wispy blade
j-java phone
void void
"cis"co java phone, coincidence ??🤔
wispy blade
hmmmm
golden gust
Hey, erm, can cunty come over?
void void
gonna have to send a cease and de-cist letter
ancient bolt
$175,000 could buy my house, twice
If it's based in the bay area, that's barely enough for a 1bedroom appt
golden gust
how about a closet under the stairs?
warm anchor
Free if you ask DenWav nicely
ancient bolt
I don't even have stairs, so feel free
warm anchor
coarse lily
If it's based in the bay area, that's barely enough for a 1bedroom appt
With the kind of garbage internet he has it definitely isn’t in the Bay Area
magic river
If it's based in the bay area, that's barely enough for a 1bedroom appt
1 bedroom in mountain view is only like $3,500/mo 
coarse lily
Yeah apartments are dumb in the Bay Area.
1 bedroom Condos are like $900k
It’s ridiculous
warm anchor
For $3500 you can rent a mansion here with 7 hooker on calls
magic river
I dunno, I think $100,000 would be enough to live alright in the valley
coarse lily
$100k/yr?
magic river
Yeah
If you were willing to commute from Oakland you can knock like $1000/mo off that apartment
coarse lily
I know lots of people who make less than that who live there.
magic river
Although that's a shitty commute
coarse lily
So yeah it’s doable.
magic river
$100,000 is about right based on our high school budgeting lessons if your apartment costs that much
coarse lily
Oakland is still expensive in a lot of neighborhoods though. But if commute doesn’t matter that opens your options.
You’d have to live modestly. Can’t have a huge car payment and other expensive hobbies.
Which is depressing for making 6 figures.
manic isle
Is there an estimated date as to when we can expect to see starlight being updated ? I've found myself unable to live without it, especially with 1.18's chunkloading being ungodly slow
coarse lily
That falls under the “no ETA”
magic river
iirc it works with 1.18 already?
coarse lily
So no.
manic isle
iirc it works with 1.18 already?
Oh, is this true ?
magic river
It doesn't work together with sodium on 1.18 but that seems to be a sodium problem
manic isle
well I'm planning on running it on my server
magic river
On your server it's a part of paper
manic isle
I'm running a fabric server
magic river
Then why did you ask in here? 😛
manic isle
well starlight is also a fabric mod
I'm asking about the fabric mod, does the 1.17 build function on 1.18?
potent fossil
why didnt anyone tell me that solitaire is actually addicting af
magic river
I think you have to build it yourself
wispy blade
everybody who plays it is too busy playing it to tell you
coarse lily
Is the fabric mod support guild still Tuinity?
magic river
Or sang a build someone made from a discord that isn't this one
potent fossil
There is a build on the tuinity discord
apparently
pre sure leaf is just putting dev builds over there cause paper dont wanna support dat
manic isle
Ah, I'll check it out. Thank you :)
coarse lily
why didnt anyone tell me that solitaire is actually addicting af
Solitaire is addictive.
potent fossil
yes
potent fossil
just burned an hour
wispy blade
spider solitaire my beloved
coarse lily
It’s been nearly an hour!
void void
already crying bc of rustlang
potent fossil
what happened to rust
void void
It’s been nearly an hour!
time is not my forte
void void
what happened to rust
nothing i am just bad at it
potent fossil
kekw
wispy blade
ask lynxplay to help ya
manic isle
I'm having some trouble finding the invite link to the Tuinity server, is it on their github ?
potent fossil
im not sure it's even advertised anymore bc it merged into paper so you have to know someone in there
coarse lily
manic isle
Fantastic, thank you
potent fossil
ah that's ez
coarse lily
Yeah it’s not hard to remember.
potent fossil
well, back to suffering http://paper.owo.foundation/55ThSX8.png
coarse lily
It should be /leafismyboo but it isn’t.
magic river
"I was at Sun when we were doing ultra (?) java, nano java, pico java, and all that other nonsense, and it's like, it's a bad idea. We knew it was a bad idea then, we spent a lot of money, verifying it's a bad idea, it's a bad idea."
Bryan Cantrill on running Java on small and embedded systems
wispy blade
true
coarse lily
Haha
They were nuts for that for a while.
“Soon Java will run on your toaster”
Why?
magic river
Java still runs on your SIM card
marble lark
Java on smart watches ftw
magic river
He was talking about SGI just before that quote
coarse lily
Ha!
wispy blade
Java on smart watches ftw
wearOS
magic river
Talking about a 500 Mhz MIPS chip that he was doing his best to make sure was completely unused and unusable
SGI never even had a 500 Mhz chip on the roadmap
coarse lily
We had this crazy Java 3D map of the world running on some burly SGI box
magic river
It's crazy though that unobtanium in 1998 is some throwaway part no one wants to use today
coarse lily
Yeah
By even 2002 you could buy shit at the MIT flea market that was like $400k in ‘98
We bought 28 486s once.
For like $2/ea
Running boxes with RAM and HDs
wispy blade
damn
magic river
Unless that was in like 2005 that was just someone trying to get rid of stuff but it would look bad if they "threw it away" and they didn't want to deal with selling it properly 😛
magic river
2001 those should probably have at least been worth $50 still 😛
magic river
1999 probably like $200
coarse lily
The MIT flea was great.
magic river
So yeah, they wanted to throw them away but weren't allowed to
coarse lily
He had way more but sold a ton. It was the last day towards close and his buddy wasn’t around to load them up. We said we’d take them all for cheap because we wanted to make a Beowulf cluster
He laughed and said fuck it alright.
magic river
Like, at the start of a new buying cycle in enterprise you can pick up insanely cheap server gear on ebay and such but it's not at basically free prices, just like 1/3 or half what it should be worth because the market is flooded with them
coarse lily
Turns out getting power to all of them was a PITA. But it was pretty fun to dick around on.
All 66MHz.
magic river
DX, right?
coarse lily
Yeah, DX/2
magic river
Couldn't remember if they bothered with an SX for 66 Mhz
coarse lily
Like, at the start of a new buying cycle in enterprise you can pick up insanely ...
Yeah I got a lot of decent Dell workstation stuff doing that.
I think the SX was 33MHz
IIRC
magic river
Yeah, it was
coarse lily
But. 25 years ago.
magic river
Dude, no
edgy agate
aye do you guys use something like pm2 and systemctl for starting your server?
magic river
👴
fallen oracle
I use pm2 for node stuff
coarse lily
- Haha
magic river
No idea if this is any good but it seems like a good place to start https://gist.github.com/Leopere/ee6f5c5823cadec09db1
You end up with a screen session for each server, running under the minecraft user
Then you can add in some systemd timers to run backups too
Ideally we'd have some software that could properly report to systemd that it was started and wrapped the paper console so it was still accessible later
magic river
Some kind of special paper daemon, even
edgy agate
./paper/start.sh
magic river
I have no idea if https://github.com/PaperMC/paperd is even really functional but it's definitely not done
And the documentation points to download API v0, the old CI 😄
vernal moth
paperd def did work the last time I touched it
its just, nobody seems to really care since most people just use docker
the time of daemons like that is long over
edgy agate
honestly i don't exactly know what "it's a deamon, not simply running in the background" means
i use screen rn
limber knotBOT
how much memory do yall think I should use for 32 chunk server render distance
or is that way past the limit of sanity
magic river
How does running in docker help? Wouldn't you just want paperd in your container then instead?
vernal moth
why tho
in docker you just run the process attached
so need for anything like a daemon or screen or whatever
magic river
...TIL docker attach
edgy agate
ill just get docker then
magic river
I've just been writing shit to logs and using docker exec to get a new shell so I could poke at the logs
vernal moth
heh
golden gust
well, paperd had a bug which was preventing den from releasing it
peak ginkgo
magic river
I don't see a -f on docker run
marble lark
y'all know how to treat a head-neck ache nothing from google is working
my neck feels like it broke in several places
fml
coarse lily
y'all know how to treat a head-neck ache nothing from google is working
Does Google say "go to the doctor" and "don't ask Minecraft Discord people for help on neck injuries"?
'Cause if not, it should.
magic river
But if the pain gets worse maybe stop and go see a doctor, no point killing yourself trying to stretch out a broken neck
swift root
the only medical advice you should ever take from anyone that isn't a doctor is to go see a doctor.
so. Go see a doctor.
wispy blade
i hate that the weather is cold and wet instead of cold and cold
dire flint
cold is good
rain is not
also my sleep schedule is broken again, i just now woke up at 3am 👍
wispy blade
god Max Havelaar is boring book
low niche
hey all, is there a hosts-only chat on this server?
golden gust
yes, speak to aurora
low niche
oh okay, thank you
potent fossil
best uwuwa
potent fossil
my neck has been killin me for weeks too sherman so, gg
went to doctor and he gave me muscle relaxers
mental meadow
I went to the doctor today and they just poked me with a needle
merry talon
unfortunately going to see a doctor for something not major is potentially not an option for millions of people
untold meadow
regardless, i feel like if you asked me to write a big list of "solutions to an unknown pain" and rank every single one in order from most productive to least productive, "asking a minecraft discord general channel" would be considerably far down the bottom of that list
merry talon
maybe they were looking for sympathy ¯_(ツ)_/¯
totally valid to want to feel supported if you can't do shit about it
it's not always just about a solution
potent fossil
no sympathy here only cold hard facts, logic, cats, and uwuwa praise
untold meadow
how is asking directly and specifically for a solution not looking for a solution
the message literally said "do you know how to treat" lmao
little frost
@untold meadow best kezz xoxo
untold meadow
@little frost BESTEST ryamiaelall xoxoxoxoxo
merry talon
yeah, wtf else do you say? it mightve been a rhetorical question. if your friend calls you up and asks what to do about their shitty roomate the answer may be 'move out' but it would be really stupid to just say only that
anyway
just feels like there's a fundamental lack of empathy here sometimes
potent fossil
there is that's why i dont talk about my ailments because it always triggers a 1-up session (u may have dat but I GOT IT WORSER!) or an offshoot discussion about why they've never had that problem or 'solutions' to fundamental brain disorders
instead, i just troll
but also that's just like, the internet
lov u sweepy <3
merry talon
golden gust
I've never had that problem cos am a boss ass bitch
merry talon
hey simple i have a solution to ur brain disorder
someone told me about it the other day
golden gust
self yeet?
merry talon
just write lists
merry talon
waxen panther
potent fossil
me: running on 3 hours
golden gust
go for a walk
potent fossil
also me: 2:45am
golden gust
heck, go for a jog
merry talon
ah yes
potent fossil
also also me: playing solitaire instead of sleeping
golden gust
heck, are you shaking it too much?
Or, are you shaking it too little?!
Have you tried drugs?
merry talon
me: forgot to put my laundry in the dryer so now I have to wait an hour to even have the option of sleeping
golden gust
btw, drugs are bad!
potent fossil
i do that every time i do laundry sweepy
golden gust
dryer
merry talon
:(
golden gust
damn, I kinda miss having a dryer
merry talon
btw, drugs are bad!
but not alcohol, that one's safe
golden gust
I moved to somewhere where I don't got a dryer and damn hanging shit up sucks
golden gust
haha
2nd year of uni, I and a few dozen others moved into like a house share
I got there first as I didn't have anywhere else to stay so basically needed to be there day 1, but,t hey where still working on stuff, no washer/dryer yet
I remember basically doing some laundry in the darned shower
