general

[knotty oasis]

we have the same issue with openvpn at work I need to look at

were changing to a new box and I hope that fixes it, but idk

my guess is memory caching somewhere

[golden gust]

who knows, maybe the linux kernel one will arrive some day

[plucky sparrow]

I think it’s just my isp or the router limiting my speeds

[knotty oasis]

you have a separate modem?

[plucky sparrow]

no

It’s just one box

[golden gust]

you can often switch the routers into modem mode and plug a cable in

[knotty oasis]

well, dd-wrt is an option

[golden gust]

it should cut down on a lot of the modems CPU juice

[knotty oasis]

Ive installed dd-wrt on all routers both at work and here

because default firmware is full of security holes

[golden gust]

sounds like an ISP provided router

[knotty oasis]

hm yeah you cant always upgrade isp onmes

[plucky sparrow]

It’s the router they provide though

Cannot modify anything

You gotta return it

[knotty oasis]

dd-wrt means hacking the old firmware and just wiping it all out lol

[plucky sparrow]

So I’ve also been considering getting a new router

[knotty oasis]

but yeah, it can leave you with a brick.

[golden gust]

for cases like that you often just shove it into modem mode and attach a better router or basically speaking to the ISP to see if you can hook an external modem up and then get a proper router otherwise

[knotty oasis]

I just do it because whatever sweatshop they have produce firmware, its always locked down/limiting, full of ui bugs or crashes

my wifi speed for example, went up compared to the original netgear firmware

somehow

[plucky sparrow]

Might end up doing that tbh

[rare tiger]

ISP provided modems are cancer

[plucky sparrow]

You can’t even change the dns server of the router

[rare tiger]

They also basically only offer AIO solutions because two separate devices is just too scary for some people

[plucky sparrow]

They locked it up

[knotty oasis]

see if your ISP offers an option to use a card or code or whatever else and buy your own modem instead

but yeah that market is like, sad today

[mild rune]

I bless spectrum for letting me use my own modem

[knotty oasis]

shit like abusing the router to throttle individual devices

[mild rune]

Fixed a lot of issues but still have days where the connection is spotty

[golden gust]

Well, pretty much all of them just use rebadged VDSL modems at least over here

[knotty oasis]

or hell, even making the full local LAN readable by them, in the cloud

[golden gust]

Like, FTTP is pretty rare over in the UK, most of it's FTTC

[knotty oasis]

my friend had some fuckery involving that with an isp throttling things

[golden gust]

my ISP offers DOCSIS, which like, back before they basically started making their own gear with netgear, they basically had a seperate router and modem

But, as hinted, they did eventually start just making their own AIO

Like, this router straight up has an ATOM CPU

[plucky sparrow]

Mine is this shit but with two antennas on the back

It gets quite hot

[knotty oasis]

DOCSIS is pretty standard yeah, afaik thats used here too

[plucky sparrow]

My cats like to lay on it because it’s hot 24/7

[knotty oasis]

at least the heat isnt wasted

[plucky sparrow]

So if it’s not the router throttling my speeds it might be my cats

[golden gust]

lol

joys of passively cooled devices

[knotty oasis]

kittynet

[golden gust]

god, I remember one router we had you coulda probs cooked an egg on the thing

[plucky sparrow]

Lol they do get hot

Quite hot

[worn ember]

They gotta get all that traffic from PH through

[plucky sparrow]

But I guess having a fan in it might not be something people want

Because of the noise

[knotty oasis]

then thats probaly also why speed droops like that.

just overheating

[rare tiger]

PizzaHub

[knotty oasis]

what if you benchmark while submerging the thing in dry ice

(social experiment)

[rare tiger]

Dry ice will probably, no, definitely damage it

[worn ember]

Then it'll be cooler

[golden gust]

well, their TDP is generally in spec to not have to deal with active cooling, so, it shouldn't throttle in good placement

[knotty oasis]

if theres air holes just put a computer fan on it or smth

[golden gust]

ofc, most people just toss them whever and they're often designed to be mounted or some shit for "optimial" gains

[rare tiger]

Imagine putting a fan on your modem literally who cares to do that

[knotty oasis]

resulting in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sECZALQjOBQ

modem released to market, modem dies, giant bag of batteries

[rare tiger]

I swear people will pay you to take their old modem

It's a life hack to obtain the juicy components within

[knotty oasis]

well that modem is special because of the battery backup thing

[golden gust]

well, nobody deals with modem batteries over here except for those who need like emergency services and shit

[knotty oasis]

(which in 99% of the cases just never was used so the bats are fine)

[golden gust]

But, they may just get an actual landline fitten instead, tbqh

[mild rune]

Don't think I've ever had a modem with a battery

[rare tiger]

it will join the copies of E.T. in the new mexico desert

[mild rune]

No real reason when you can get a UPS

[golden gust]

but, yea, the batteries are basically timestamped more or less as they're there for emergency usage and so they need to be like, within date for liability, etc; so, they're often replaced

Well, most of the people who need that kinda stuff are grannies

[knotty oasis]

or maybe off-grid poles or shit

[rare tiger]

Grannies use DSL so idk who this is for

[knotty oasis]

probably not people living in cities

power outages are quite common in rural america for example

because of all the overhead wiring

and if that device is your only means of communication / no cell service, well, you kinda need that

[golden gust]

many places are tryna get away from DSL

Like, DSL is great except for all of that like, dated copper you gotta maintain

[mild rune]

I can still get dialup near me

[knotty oasis]

theyre stripping all copper out of the ground here and replacing it with fibre

[golden gust]

like, many places are just ripping it out now, even BT is

[knotty oasis]

a whole lot of orange

I sometimes wonder if they make a lot of money selling the copper

[golden gust]

Like, those batteries are more for fibre, etc, where there is no local POTS service anymore

[rare tiger]

DSL is great
is this some kind of British thing that I'm too hamburger to understand

[mild rune]

one day I'll experience fiber

[knotty oasis]

and that day you can also experience artificial throttling

[golden gust]

sarcasm

Like, that copper was often strung up many moons ago and is basically as close to disintegrating as can be

[knotty oasis]

they hide the 1-10gbit behind a 1gb monthly bandwidth limit lol

Ive seen some cringe shit

[golden gust]

over here engineers if they can speak to you before you'd be charged for it will literally recommend that you cut the telephone cable so they have to send somebody out to replace it

[rare tiger]

"the wires are a little old in this house" as the wires are neon green and 1mm thick

[mild rune]

Spectrum "offers" gigabit for me but like I doubt I'll get anywhere near it and the upload would only be 50mb/s

[golden gust]

symetrical is kinda rare, tbqh

[knotty oasis]

which suuuucks

[golden gust]

seems that spectrum use docsis too

[mild rune]

yeah they do

[knotty oasis]

I hope the working at home thing, requiring good upload, will change things

[golden gust]

Basically they setup most of the channels for downloads, whichs is like, eh

Like, it's annoying but for 99% of customers they probs don't care

[mild rune]

I get 2 upstream channels

24 downstream

[knotty oasis]

but they may now their video feed doesnt come or uploading documents theyre working on takes ages or their remote working desktop/tool is sluggisch af

idk. Im probably just too hopeful

[mild rune]

at least it's somewhat stable

[knotty oasis]

hmf

[rare tiger]

sad

[knotty oasis]

Id be fine with 150 up and down over this, then I can actually host a server

and Im paying way too much for that too

[mild rune]

this is what I average over 12 hours

[rare tiger]

"host" more like "offer content if you beg for it"

[knotty oasis]

I have a NAS so I may throw plex on it or something and join my friends in sharing yarr harr/archived content

[mild rune]

Plex is worth it

I obtained Silicon Valley because I wanted to re-watch it

[knotty oasis]

two of my friends also have plex and you can bundle them up and stuff, its neat

[mild rune]

Yeah

I share my libraries with a bunch of friends

If you end up using Plex a bunch I highly recommend their Plex Pass

[knotty oasis]

its a better viewing experience coz no ads and easy navigation, and unlimited types of shit including music you can throw on there

[mild rune]

adds a bunch of functionality

[rare tiger]

I don't "plunder for booty", I simply "obtain the booty"

🏴‍☠️

[mild rune]

[mighty wind]

The green ones look like they're from Arris cable modems. I've got one in my basement.

[mild rune]

I've got a box in AMS that I use for obtaining

:)

[rare tiger]

Imagine there's some day 0 bug hiding within AWS that when triggered in a single instance would take down the whole thing

Just a random thought

[knotty oasis]

so a facebook

[mild rune]

[knotty oasis]

a facebook moment in aws would be fun

[rare tiger]

That would be beautiful to watch from a safe distance

[mild rune]

My fave is when cloudflare shits itself and like 75% of the internet dies

[knotty oasis]

just dont be anywhere near a big tech city

[golden gust]

we've already had a case or two where AWS pressed the wrong button

[knotty oasis]

or youll be locked behind some gate or door

[mild rune]

I know DigitalOcean has had NYC1 die twice this year

both times affecting my shit

[rare tiger]

what does cloudflare, AWS, and the Hawaiian government all have in common?

[knotty oasis]

lmao

[rare tiger]

I could think of lots of internet doomsday scenarios

Like certificate authorities leaking

[knotty oasis]

yesterrday I discussed the AI doomsday scenario

I think its the most likely.

[mild rune]

It scares me that like 6 people have the power to just stop letting certs working

[knotty oasis]

every process in the world automated by AI, and it enters this feedback loop of self destruction

economies dying, shops running out of supplies

basically today

[rare tiger]

Imagine we just let AI learn constantly instead of freezing their models

[golden gust]

Well, yea, I mean, at the end of the day, the root of all trust exists somewhere

[rare tiger]

Hey wait recaptcha what are you doing here

[knotty oasis]

they train AI until it makes them money and then it sits there collecting dust

[rare tiger]

Imagine it overtrains and suddenly every self driving car in existence stops knowing what an obstacle is

[knotty oasis]

so yeah. Bad things abound

[knotty oasis]

worse than that, an AI is trained to generate signage and imagery that can defeat the car AI, and it starts getting deployed by anarchists

theres already a lot of AI warfares going on

like with deepfakes

theres no end

[rare tiger]

Wait omg that's true

There's no way that won't happen

There's already adversarial AIs out there that give eachother challenges we could never design ourselves

[knotty oasis]

exactly

[rare tiger]

Theres AIs designed to fuck with other image recognition AIs to make them better

[knotty oasis]

thats the feedback loop im talking about

recently some investors have also been using AI to enter the housing market...

[rare tiger]

Yeah no that's 1000% happening

[rare tiger]

Yeah I can't be the only one that thinks recaptcha questions are distressing

It took an existing set of eyeballs and used their labor to train an AI that will soon be deciding what happens in life or death situations

[knotty oasis]

well, a component of. Theres a lot of components like that

like GPT

the danger isnt some HAL kinda shit, its an out of control swarm of AI in all aspects of our life that together form an organism that causes catastrophe

[rare tiger]

When AIs police other AIs

[knotty oasis]

like the AI that outbid other AI and causes a financial crash

[rare tiger]

police police police police police police police police

[knotty oasis]

or an AI that tries to compete with other AI in optimizing the supply chain causing a weird hoarding problem

and now the shelves are empty and people in labcoats dont know what to do because the AI is just a binary blob

[golden gust]

meanwhile all of the companies are hoarding chips

[rare tiger]

"looks like the opponent has started using child slaves. Time to buy a pacific island"

[knotty oasis]

worse than that, company posted a picture with a blue hat, buy all the shares

AI are often irrational

[untold copper]

day #150of trying to get abs (5-month mark) (lel): no exercise because its Diwali today. and i think i finally figured out why I'm not losing fat. It's rice. the enemy is rice.

[rare tiger]

I AM DIABLO THE CHEATER

[limber knot]

"AI" are causing stock crashes all the time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V43a-KxLFcg lol

[knotty oasis]

yeah, the future is grim really. Even optimistic things like a lot of the stuff 2minutepapers posts on youtube, has alternative uses that scare me

one man's disease analyzer is another man's eugenics

but hey, it is how it is, cant stop it now

[limber knot]

yes you can. stuff like autonomous weapons system should be banned by international treates the same way as ABC weapons did

also cyber warfare should be banned

[knotty oasis]

https://www.youtube.com/c/KárolyZsolnai/videos every video is worth a watch

[limber knot]

(although we are closer to banning the first one than the second)

[knotty oasis]

yeah but anyone can take a person/face detector and some other mix of AI, and hook it up to a weapon

in components its legal, and combining them isnt something that you can stop

[limber knot]

oh yeah, the "two minute papers"-but-our-videos-are-mostly-5-to-6-minutes-long-now-Channel xD

[knotty oasis]

yeah lol

[limber knot]

of course you can stop it

[knotty oasis]

solar flare will stop it

[limber knot]

we do the same with chemical, biological and nuclear weapons

[knotty oasis]

carrington event x10

wipe out all electronics larger than a pea

[limber knot]

also banning those weapons systems is about banning the large scale production of them and stopping states from deploying them in war

nobody cars about some terrorist

*cares

[knotty oasis]

yet they market the effort as against terrorists lole

and the supposed goal of stopping warfare, well, thats a lie

[limber knot]

yes, fuck propaganda

[knotty oasis]

danger is. You take a remote controlled gun. And ordinary gun. With a connector. And a remote screen so some poor sod can play irl cod.

[limber knot]

the "war on terror" that the industrial-military complex invented after 9/11 is insane

[knotty oasis]

now you take a device that can control that gun. With some simple drivers.

[limber knot]

so?

[knotty oasis]

and now you take ai...

[limber knot]

that's just one gun

[waxen panther]

average phoenix616 conversation

[twin lagoon]

average phoenix616 conversation

[limber knot]

no civilian can mass produce millions of weapons

[knotty oasis]

you cant ban all the parts of the whole individually

[twin lagoon]

I love Aikar

[untold meadow]

I love Aikar

[untold copper]

r u ok

[limber knot]

again: this isn't about individuals preventing them, this is about preventing states like the US, China or Iran from sending millions of killer robots all over the earth

[untold meadow]

phoenix politics was deleted for a reason pls

[knotty oasis]

haha good luck

[limber knot]

(and of course loosing control eventually)

[untold copper]

phoenix

[twin lagoon]

I love broccolai

[untold copper]

no politicc

[knotty oasis]

we still have nuclear weapons despite a claim to get rid of them

[untold meadow]

I love broccolai

[untold copper]

politiccs is cringe

[limber knot]

politics was deleted with the note that it's ok in #general now

runs

[knotty oasis]

haha

[untold meadow]

untrue and unfunny statement

runs

[knotty oasis]

I need glasses

[heady spear]

Aikar rap, aikar rap
he like to do dance wap

he online on discord, he is the lord
he do brrrrr in minecraft, he is vari adored

when people have problem, people say share aikar timings some
People solve their problem, but he steal your mum

[untold copper]

pin

[knotty oasis]

aikar has quite a lot of power with that timings site

[limber knot]

also regarding nuclear weapons: we have a lot less nowadays and are actively sanctioning countries that violate the treates so they are indeed effective ¯_(ツ)_/¯ but yes, I'm not going to discuss this more. just do you own research!1! /s (?)

[waxen panther]

yeah the one that is always down

[knotty oasis]

I kinda want to see a nuclear weapons test irl tbh

I missed the time period where you could

[limber knot]

well france is still doing them no?

[rare tiger]

speaking of which did you know that the US 1000% instigated the Cuban missile crisis and could have ended it easily with diplomacy but wanted to look tough

[knotty oasis]

america had like, places to watch it from hotel places and stuff

[limber knot]

sounds like a "good" idea 😅

[knotty oasis]

much more exciting than those tests in the middle of deserts or ocean

[limber knot]

also realistic Minecraft mod wen?!? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl0XCslxwB0

[knotty oasis]

that one and the gta V one are cool af

[mental meadow]

This Discord is not the place to discuss politics with other people.

[twin lagoon]

something something proprietary no irc something

[golden gust]

.merica

[limber knot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3jcmFNxRzQ

[rare tiger]

hey did you know that because of all the nuclear testing in America you can tell where someone lives by looking at the amount of radioactive strontium in their bones

[knotty oasis]

haha

[cunning raft]

@waxen panther

[knotty oasis]

I didnt expect the cgi choppers hahaha

[waxen panther]

veto'd

no

(no)

[limber knot]

also tbh I don't think the topic diverged into actual politics seeing as it was about (ab)use of cool new tech but I agree that it could've easily derailed

[golden gust]

Oh god, there a fun story of how kodak found out about the first nuclear tests and such

[limber knot]

(also my statement about it being ok was in reference to the sentence before and was clearly tounge in the cheeck as indicated by my emote :P)

[rare tiger]

true I was raring to discuss how bipartisanship is a cancer

[knotty oasis]

everything is political and you have to point it all out

[golden gust]

and, basically since that, it's caused many headaches for the world around the like, the radioactivety of like pretty much everything mined

[knotty oasis]

another interesting story is the radium sisters or some such. Women that painted the glowy clock faces of watches.

[golden gust]

like, metal around the world from before that period is pretty valuable iirc

[knotty oasis]

early nuclear was wild

[golden gust]

Yea, I mean, it's a horror show

Like, a mixture of unknowing and just general evilness/complatency

god, I kinda wish that like, memories where easily erasable

I'd love to like, wipe my memory of HBOs chernobyl and rewatch it another several dozen times

[limber knot]

you just need to drink enough/do the right drugs

👀

[golden gust]

it's kinda crazy some of the earlier nuclear experiments and shit

Like, people where basically expecting to put nuclear reactors everywhere

[limber knot]

yeah, lots of soviet scifi has reactors inside literally every machine including cars

[knotty oasis]

I mean, why not.

its still crazy how much energy you get out of a small space with nuclear

but idk if they couldve ever made the tech safe for consumer use

closest they got was glowy chemicals and even those end up causing cancer lmao

a phone or car you never need to refuel or charge would be magical

[golden gust]

Okay, but

have you heard about thorium

[knotty oasis]

ah the infinite thorium

is it time for fusion yet

[golden gust]

yea, it's only 30 years away

[knotty oasis]

I hope soon

hehe

[golden gust]

They actually have an experimental reactor they're expecting to test in like 2025

[knotty oasis]

those experimental fusion tokamaks are closest to the original scifi genre we have today

they look ballin'

move aside earth destroying particle accelerator, giant hollow sphere of doom is here

if they can invent miniature suns like that I think well make huge leaps of progress

...or destroy the climate

[marble lark]

does antimatter count

[knotty oasis]

cars just disappearing at random

"oh no, anyway"

[marble lark]

on the plus side it leaves much less radiation

the downside is bigger booms when something does go wrong

[knotty oasis]

planet destroying chemistry is spooky

[marble lark]

technically if cold fusion worked you'd have nuclear reactors without the radioactive fallout

but it didn't so shrugs

[golden gust]

meltdown proof reactors are pretty much already here

I think china was already working on building gen 4 reactors

[knotty oasis]

thing is, if someone pulls off fusion, I mean. I feel like it would basically overnight kill a whole lot of industries

[marble lark]

you don't say

[knotty oasis]

why bother with wind, solar, batteries, if you can just toss a giant fat donut in places

the fuel is essentially free

[golden gust]

Well, big issue is grid maintanence

You can't just shove a metric fuckton of power on the grid

Really boils into question how easy + fast can you ramp these reactors up/down

[knotty oasis]

you could just heat up salt or water

[marble lark]

another issue is the fuel

ain't easy to get fusion fuel, while fission stuff is pretty much everywhere

[knotty oasis]

oh, the video I watched says the opposite

theres more than one potential fusion input though

[golden gust]

issue iirc with salt is that it's apparently corrosive af

[knotty oasis]

https://youtu.be/-KEwkWjADEA?t=112

[golden gust]

Yea, saw that other day

[marble lark]

yeah

[vernal moth]

Renewability is really important

Cause like, we even running out of shit like sand

[knotty oasis]

I think theres plenty of seawater

[limber knot]

I mean... there also were plenty of fish in the ocean until there weren't...

[marble lark]

main issue is probably this

[marble lark]

also ^

[vernal moth]

Just gotta invest in storage tech and build solar and wind, problem solved

On good days Germany literally is powered by 65%+ wind

The excess we sell to Norway, they let out less water thru their Damms, and if we need more energy, we pay them to open their Damms to give s power

[marble lark]

nice

[marble lark]

gotta wait till solar panels are more efficient for that to work though

[vernal moth]

They are efficient enough and have been for ages

My dad is basically off grid for half a year

Well, not really, since he also sells to the grid

But he has storage which is enough to get to the night

[rare tiger]

[vernal moth]

And he has just 10 panels

[golden gust]

yea, we're gonna be mining shit like coal for a looong time

theres much research going into increasing lithium yields

but, it's still a dirty industry

[marble lark]

isn't the typical energy conversion something like 6% for the average solar cell

(There's 100% efficient panels which use quantum mechanics to convert energy iirc but those are still under lab settings and won't be ready for a long time I think)

[vernal moth]

More like 20%+

And it doesn't really matter since it's already good enough

[golden gust]

for single person use? yea, sure, maybe

But, that's 10 panels for 1 house

[marble lark]

^

to be fair Mini did say he has enough to sell as well

[golden gust]

well, yea, but grid scale you need even more going to storage

[vernal moth]

10 panels for a house, at 200 or maybe 300 euro a panel

[golden gust]

you've gotta deal with the potential for days of poor solar generation

[marble lark]

yep

[vernal moth]

Well yes, but if every house hold has solar that would already greatly reduce the need for other means of power

[golden gust]

Like, we're defo gonna need to beef up interconnects and increase the general scale of the grid

[vernal moth]

Then we got grid scale wind stuff, and store that in pump storage

[rare tiger]

"Just use a supercapacitor bank"

[vernal moth]

Germany build a new interconnect to Norway which we use to control their damms

[golden gust]

That's 10 panels, of glass, and many rare earth minerals

many of the lithium deposits we know about are also in war torn countries

[marble lark]

that's definitely true but I don't think they can replace current power plants entirely either

[rare tiger]

the children in Elon's lithium mines approve this message

[toxic bone]

Mario cart

[rare tiger]

it's spelled with a k ralsei from deltarune

[toxic bone]

No

[golden gust]

and we're probs a good decade or two away from having the battery making capacity needed for all of this

[rare tiger]

Yes

[marble lark]

lmao

[toxic bone]

tour of the elon musk sweatshop!!

[rare tiger]

most of the workers here are also full-timers at Levi

[untold copper]

don't you love Diwali

[rare tiger]

ah yes I totally know what that means

[rare tiger]

btw I made moobloom with plugins 😎

[magic river]

@plucky sparrow Learning rust is so easy you can do it in 59 seconds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzZt0fEzUXQ 🤣

[limber knot]

.addcmd userdev https://github.com/jpenilla/paperweight-test-plugin

[marble lark]

.userdev

[limber knot]

https://github.com/jpenilla/paperweight-test-plugin

[marble lark]

ayyy

[rare tiger]

I hate videos like that especially if I already know the programming language

[jovial plover]

how can i make it so when u walk through a portal it does a command like /rtp

[rare tiger]

PlayerMoveEvent

[jovial plover]

er

[rare tiger]

also #paper-dev

[jovial plover]

is there like a plugin or some shit

[rare tiger]

oh I thought you wanted to make it lol

uhhh simple portals or multiverse portals

[jovial plover]

nah i am crap at java

[rare tiger]

just check the googles

[jovial plover]

multiverse portals
i'll look into this

[rare tiger]

also worldguard can probably do this but poorly

[jovial plover]

does anyone know of a free alternative to featherboard

[rare tiger]

making it is always free 😃

[jovial plover]

f**k java

[rare tiger]

that's what the kotlin people said

[wispy blade]

java ain't terrible, you know

there's worse languages out there

[rare tiger]

my fav lang ❤️

you can always be deno or python

[wispy blade]

cough Elshout, Lua

[rare tiger]

I started with lua

It has its use cases

Very narrow use cases

[jovial plover]

i just cant do java lol

i can do js

[magic river]

Seeing all these videos and such about how the new Intel CPUs are beating AMD and etc

[wispy blade]

that's a you problem

[rare tiger]

the plight of the junior dev

[wispy blade]

otherwise: fireship java in 100 seconds

[jovial plover]

?

[magic river]

They're 5-25% faster at the cost of twice the power usage

[rare tiger]

making it 🙃

[jovial plover]

hey how dare you ping b***h

[wispy blade]

ok

calm your tits

[silver nexus]

I enjoy lurking during these fun conversations

But yes

Calm lol

[rare tiger]

chill out js user go to flying-squid

[wispy blade]

flying-squid*

[jovial plover]

oh shit i just typed my servers teamviewer password into the message box fuck

[rare tiger]

same shit

[wispy blade]

teamviewer
wat

[rare tiger]

is your discord server a scam network

who uses TeamViewer like actually

[wispy blade]

for when i have to go outside and still want to program from my backyard

[rare tiger]

"touch grass" I shall, and with the other hand, I'll be looking at the docs-

[wispy blade]

exactly

[jovial plover]

for when someones server that i use is in their house

[wispy blade]

ssh

[rare tiger]

vnc? ssh?

sftp?

[silver nexus]

Lol

[wispy blade]

heck, pretty sure even x2go could do that

[jovial plover]

we tried vnc

[magic river]

I'm going to gatekeep, if you can't manage a server via ssh you shouldn't have a server

[jovial plover]

ssh is a mf

i can bruh

[rare tiger]

thank you

[magic river]

That probably means your server is running on Windows too

Which means it's automatically shit

[rare tiger]

Oh 100%

[silver nexus]

Lol what

[ashen cliff]

Sounds like a good match for dedicated hosting providers.

[rare tiger]

maybe not even a server dist of windows

[jovial plover]

pios*

[rare tiger]

literally what pios is made for ssh

[magic river]

Wait, you mean the still 32-bit garbage the rPi Foundation puts out?

[rare tiger]

they made a 64-bit version no?

If not what the hell am I using on my 3b+

[magic river]

They were supposed to have one soon but I don't think it's a thing yet?

[wispy blade]

ssh is so easy if you use password authentication :p

[golden gust]

Yea, they have a 64 bit distro

[dim jungle]

i think the pi 3 and 4 are 64 bit, no?

[rare tiger]

knew it

[golden gust]

They just don't recommend it by default unless you have the higher end pi's

[magic river]

afaik you can just install Ubuntu on it though, all the other distros that support it are 64-bit

[ashen cliff]

They have a 64 bit distro, but not a minimal one.

[rare tiger]

yeah I had to look for it

[golden gust]

I just installed arch 😄

[rare tiger]

pios is bad for other reasons tho

probably should have done standard debian if anything

[wispy blade]

i 2nd this

[rare tiger]

we get it you use arch 🙄

[wispy blade]

i use arch as well btw

[void void]

congrats

[knotty oasis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiqhDd5PjIQ this is genius

[rare tiger]

oh God I'm surrounded by virgins

[magic river]

[wispy blade]

but debian on prod

[magic river]

Does arch have GNOME 41 yet?

[rare tiger]

[ashen cliff]

All my Prod stuff is Debian.

[wispy blade]

not sure and i dont care cuz lol gnome

[rare tiger]

I'm gnot a gnelf

[wispy blade]

dwm 💪

[jovial plover]

why does teamviewer kick me out / not respond after a minute

[magic river]

eww Xorg

[rare tiger]

Because it's TeamViewer

[jovial plover]

...

[rare tiger]

why are you complaining about it being terrible when you have options

[void void]

teamviewer is ass

[golden gust]

NoMachine go brrrr

[knotty oasis]

they discovered you might be using teamviewer, so they put you on a 'buy a license scrub' shit list. And now youre boned.

im so sorry

[rare tiger]

so true

[golden gust]

but, I don't think that they have a real remote discovery thing which actually worked well, but, zerotier also go brr

[magic river]

Oh god I haven't thought about NX in a while

It doesn't really help unless you're on dialup but you do you

[golden gust]

Well, for me it was either NX or VNC

[rare tiger]

My day be so fine, then someone uses popular software 😱

I proudly still use vlc for whatever reason ok

[jovial plover]

wtf

i just got yeeted out

mf

teamviewer^ not anyone here

[rare tiger]

I'm joking but the part about TeamViewer being bad is true

[knotty oasis]

I moved from tv to anydesk.

(for now) the experience has been better

[magic river]

NX basically just turned in to VNC or RDP

[rare tiger]

I have ascended to acronym heaven

[knotty oasis]

can even remote desktop and watch youtube with anydesk, something that wasnt possible on teamviewer without it looking like a hellscape or lagging me out

[magic river]

It started out as specialized compression for the X11 protocol then I think was briefly like mosh but for X11 then turned in to VNC

[golden gust]

I just wanted something common and crossplatform and last I saw most vnc clients for macOS kinda suck

NX just happened to work well enough with a not entirely trash UI, and so it kinda 🤷‍♂️

[magic river]

Although it did file transfer and audio stuff too so more like RDP

[rare tiger]

on this subject virtual desktop is must have for quest users

[knotty oasis]

isnt RDP that poop windows thing where instead of showing your desktop it logs the real user out and I end up with a new one?

wtf was that all about

[magic river]

That reminds me, someone should take weston's RDP support and put it in wlroots

[golden gust]

that's basically the client variant

or, well, the like, workstation OS thing

there is a thing somewhere to get higher limits, etc, to allow multiple concurrency RDP users

[magic river]

Nah, RDP can do a thing they call RAIL these days, Remote Application Integrated Locally

aka you can do per-window forwarding

[golden gust]

ofc, not exacly compliant ;P

[rare tiger]

Oh yeah babe I RAIL

[magic river]

And you could always do whole session sharing but yeah, I don't think the standard Windows configuration for it allowed that, you'd have to turn theirs off and get a third party RDP server

But third party RDP servers are basically just VNC but using the RDP protocol, they usually don't support any of the reasons you'd use RDP over VNC

[knotty oasis]

I just wanted to control twitch or youtube from my phone on the couch but couldnt find something self-hosted for windows so I gave up

RDP destroyed my hopes & dreams that day

[golden gust]

good.

I support it

[rare tiger]

You could accomplish that with a local web server like wamp

and some coding

Unless you have an iPhone

[knotty oasis]

I could make my own app and all that jazz but jeeeez

really?

[void void]

wdym unless you have an iphone?

[rare tiger]

Oh right you can use browser!

[golden gust]

I mean, theres chromecast or whatever it was

[rare tiger]

Good point

[knotty oasis]

its super easy to VM an apple environment with some steps, and you can develop iphone apps in that

[void void]

Or just... install the app in dev mode

[golden gust]

I also know my mate used to control YT on her PS4 with her phone

[rare tiger]

there's no way they allow that

It's apple

[void void]

there is?

just use xcode

[knotty oasis]

^

[rare tiger]

nananana I can't hear youuuu

[knotty oasis]

and I mean

how tf do you think iphone app developers test their apps on physical devices?

android has developer mode for this and no doubt iphone has too

[rare tiger]

I'm not listeniiiiing

[knotty oasis]

however the way to access it is often obscured for regular non-coding plebs

[magic river]

iirc sideloaded apps only work for a couple days

[peak ginkgo]

^

Your Apple ID signs the app

You can install the app

The signature is valid for like 7(?) days

[void void]

14 or 30 iirc

[magic river]

I don't think you have to rebuild it but you have to resign it and unless you know the magic incantations to do so it's easier to just rebuild 😛

[golden gust]

theres a pretty magical app or something for that these days

[knotty oasis]

someone out there has scripts setup that when they plug in their phone to charge it refreshes their app

lole

[magic river]

I think that's test flights

[void void]

testflight builds are 90 days

[peak ginkgo]

I can't find a good source on the sideload time.

[plucky sparrow]

Super easy

Makes me wanna cry

Am being destroyed from everywhere

[magic river]

String vs str isn't that complicated if you've used C or C++, btw

[peak ginkgo]

Provisioning profiles created with free provisioning will expire after one week, and signing identities will expire after one year.
Microsoft docs on deploying Xamarin.iOS, only good source I have.

[plucky sparrow]

I had no idea they could make strings do complex

[magic river]

Or any language where you have to manage memory yourself

[plucky sparrow]

I’ve barely used c and c++

[peak ginkgo]

or c# :(

[magic river]

I wish Java had the distinction too

[rare tiger]

It's not tho

[magic river]

Instead of bouncing back and forth on whether or not substrings clone or not

[rare tiger]

Java doesn't have primitive strings which I think is good

It makes sense

[plucky sparrow]

I thought it would be “oh str and string literals are stored in the stack, and String is stored in the heap”

I thought bad

It’s not just that 💀

Thankfully I’ve reached hashmaps

[magic river]

String is basically Box<[u8; N]> but guaranteed to be valid UTF-8, it's what the string types in Python, Java, JavaScript, etc are

[plucky sparrow]

You also can’t get a character from strings

[rare tiger]

Who says

[plucky sparrow]

You need a external library

[magic river]

What is a character?

[plucky sparrow]

Well

[magic river]

Language is hard yo

[plucky sparrow]

A char

[magic river]

So a byte?

Or did you want an int?

Since it's UTF-8 that'd have to be an int

[rare tiger]

Well no char is an unsigned byte

It's not the same

[plucky sparrow]

Not sure

But some characters take up two bytes

[magic river]

char is at least a byte

It's not guaranteed to be unsigned and can be wider

[plucky sparrow]

And rust has no proper implementation for getting a char by default

[magic river]

Learn you some C yo 😛

[rare tiger]

Talking about neither Java nor Kotlin in the paper server

Heresy

[plucky sparrow]

I chose to learn rust instead and I’m crying

[void void]

C

[rare tiger]

I also only do C# of all flavors lol

[rare tiger]

Ok bro

[olive marlin]

Because you need to decide what a char is in your context.

[plucky sparrow]

Also

The book says it’s basically a vector

[knotty oasis]

doesnt UTF-8 encoding require handling those weird-ass meta characters to represent unicode?

[magic river]

Yeah but a Vec is also a Box<[T; N]> 😄

[toxic bone]

Ok!

[magic river]

No, UTF-16 is the one with surrogate pairs

Because they grafted the full Unicode space on to UCS-2

[plucky sparrow]

Haven’t gotten to that yet

[rare tiger]

What? Doesn't utf-8 support all Unicode characters or am I on something

[plucky sparrow]

Had no idea about boxes

[spiral robin]

[magic river]

UTF-8 supports all of Unicode, it just doesn't have any weird fake characters to make it work

[olive marlin]

I recently did learn about Windows-1250 encoding because that's what my roommate bank uses for encoding csv files. It's so cursed.

[plucky sparrow]

All this suffering and I’m only on 1/4 of the book

[magic river]

Although if you read it as bytes you'll get nonsense

[knotty oasis]

ahh

[rare tiger]

Ok so it's better than utf-16 got it

[magic river]

Always use UTF-8

[plucky sparrow]

What I basically meant is that there’s no way you can get grapheme clusters

[magic river]

Java strings being UTF-16 (although really just UCS-2 and it tries to pretend to be UTF-16 sometimes) is a major mark against it

Same with Windows and C#

[rare tiger]

It makes char 1 unsigned byte though

[magic river]

Does any language other than Swift have support for getting grapheme clusters in the standard library?

[rare tiger]

I can get behind that I guess

[knotty oasis]

so rust is a more emoji friendly language is what youre really saying

[magic river]

UTF-16 chars are 16-bits

It's in the name

[olive marlin]

Also Java has UTF-8 which is modified, and doesn't use the standard.

[jovial plover]

how do i change item name colour in anvil

[rare tiger]

I can use char as integer storage too which I like even if JVM likes to pretend that it's a character

[olive marlin]

Did learn it the hard way when trying to parse MC files in Python.

[magic river]

Well, except not really, that'll only get you the surrogate pairs for things like emojis

[plucky sparrow]

I also have to re-read the ownership part in the book because my brain couldn’t handle so much info

[magic river]

You do realize char in Java is a short, right?

[rare tiger]

Short has more range

And can store negative numbers

On account of being signed

[olive marlin]

Stop reading, start doing :)

[golden gust]

has more range

wat

[magic river]

Ok, sure, it's an unsigned short

[knotty oasis]

but its all just bits on a memory chip

[magic river]

It isn't a byte is what I'm saying

[knotty oasis]

you can treat a signed short as an unsigned short just fine

[rare tiger]

Oh yeah sorry I kept saying that I know

[plucky sparrow]

I have been doing some coding and it’s where I realized I don’t remember anything about ownership

[rare tiger]

But you have to convert itttt

[knotty oasis]

try -1 & 0xF

[wispy blade]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyrojet

that will be all

[magic river]

@plucky sparrow https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/primitive.str.html#method.chars

[knotty oasis]

if java cant unfuck a basic bit operation then what are we even doing here

[plucky sparrow]

But yea I guess eventually I’ll ditch the book

[rare tiger]

Is there a reason why I shouldnt use char to store numbers

Like actually

[magic river]

If you really want grapheme clusters then I'm glad you're at least learning more about how complicated human languages are but can you tell me what library you're using in Java to get them?

[knotty oasis]

also, unless youre working with arrays, you should be using ints or longs as the processor likes those or something.

Ive never seen any performance benefit using a single short var over an int

[rare tiger]

It forces the API to respect the range

[knotty oasis]

and an int can easily represent the full unsigned short range

[rare tiger]

Without using dumb annotations

[rare tiger]

No kidding

[knotty oasis]

then add an UnsignedShort class?

[plucky sparrow]

Idk I haven’t really tried to

[knotty oasis]

🤷

[rare tiger]

Why it already exists and it's called char

[knotty oasis]

its not lol

[rare tiger]

It is

[knotty oasis]

char is char I can also infer that its a signed short

[rare tiger]

No a signed short is a short

It's unsigned

[knotty oasis]

man c++ would be fun for you, where everything could be anything else

[plucky sparrow]

Afaik chars is just scalar values

[magic river]

looks at strict aliasing rules

[rare tiger]

Yeah exactly

[plucky sparrow]

Not grapheme clusters

[rare tiger]

JVM will print it as a character but I can use it as a number just fine

Why is it bad

[knotty oasis]

reinterpret_cast represent

[magic river]

It seems kind of silly to ding Rust for not having grapheme cluster support in the stdlib when you didn't even know you wanted it before learning Rust and weren't using it in whatever other languages you know

[knotty oasis]

because technically, maybe, someday java will move from utf16 to utf8 or utf32 or whatever in the language, and then your ops break.

[magic river]

Nah

[rare tiger]

No they won't? The range will change but numbers won't stop being numbers

Unless it goes to utf8

Unlikely at this point

[knotty oasis]

have they actually stated as fact that a char is 16 bits forever?

[marble lark]

wtf happened here lmao

[rare tiger]

Character.BYTES == 2

[plucky sparrow]

The issue is that the rust book has introduced me to a problem I had no idea existed in Java for example

[tender wadi]

yo @magic river can I dm u

[magic river]

Why?

[tender wadi]

i have a question for You only

[charred sleet]

why not

[tender wadi]

that i want to ask in private due to fear of public shaming

[magic river]

I feel like this is going to get you laughed at or banned but sure, I think I don't have those blocked

If it's something dumb I'm going to paste it in here though

[rare tiger]

Please do

I'm feeling vicious today

[plucky sparrow]

Other than that

[tender wadi]

they're off

[plucky sparrow]

Rust is interesting

[magic river]

Yeah, guess that DM isn't happening then

[charred sleet]

[tender wadi]

will you be willing to accept my fq and remove me when convo done

[plucky sparrow]

@wispy blade send help

[magic river]

I'd rather not, I don't do 1:1 help or whatever unless you're paying me and I'm also not accepting contract work right now

[knotty oasis]

is it even coding related

[marble lark]

what's the question?

[plucky sparrow]

I also like that you don’t need to explicitly use “return” in rust

Just don’t put a ;

[magic river]

That's a part of everything being an expression

[tender wadi]

I wasn't asking for help or contracted work

But I will pay if it's Right

[magic river]

It's the same reason you can do let foo = if bar { 1 } else { 0 };

[marble lark]

@wispy blade show dap the elshout hello world snippet you made last time

[charred sleet]

thats ow

[marble lark]

?

[tender wadi]

it was a MC related question though

[plucky sparrow]

Yeah I think the book talked about it in the first pages

I honestly should start doing rust coding instead of book

[charred sleet]

uniqur sent a pic of ow

[marble lark]

oh overwatch

I think?

[charred sleet]

yes

[marble lark]

ah ok

[magic river]

🤣

This fool is trying to buy my account for the cape

I didn't think I'd see one of those on Discord, I usually only get them on LinkedIn

Apparently it's worth $11k that I'd definitely get and isn't a scam

Not like I could sell it anyway, would have to sell my whole Microsoft account at this point

Xbox, Windows keys, etc

[void void]

lmao

which cape do you have?

migrator

[magic river]

Mojira mod

[plucky sparrow]

LOL

I’m willing to sell my account

I have a migrator cape

Super rare

[void void]

like mojang wouldn't remove the cape if it was sold lol

[tender wadi]

it'd only be removed if he said anything about it

people have sold mojira capes before

[magic river]

I literally log in to the computer I'm typing on using the same account they're trying to buy

[tender wadi]

what does that mean

[magic river]

It's a Microsoft account, I migrated

[tender wadi]

oh

you can change the email though

of the mc account specifically

[magic river]

I don't know if this is ban worthy but I wish it was

[tender wadi]

wow

kashike probably gets the same offers for his account all the time man

[void void]

This is definitely against mojang tos lol

[plucky sparrow]

Quite truly

[tender wadi]

that's why i wanted to msg him bro

[void void]

Trying to buy or sell services or hire developers. This is not a marketplace.
Amaranth's account is clearly a service, duh

[ashen cliff]

Looks like I need to get banned for trying to sell Hetzner and Debian daily. 🛌
Sorry, I mean KGBHosting.

[tender wadi]

I'm sorry Amaranth...

[charred sleet]

how much did they offer

[toxic bone]

one million dollar

[peak dirge]

I get them through email. But I didn’t get a cape. They try to convince to convince others to sell their accounts. I don’t respond to them.

[magic river]

$11,000

I think my spam filter must get rid of all the email ones

Either that I just don't get them very often

For a while I was getting them on LinkedIn like once a week

[knotty oasis]

...

why tho

are these people investing in minecraft capes now

[magic river]

People with more money than brains willing to pay to have something no one else can have

[knotty oasis]

idont

[marble lark]

kek

[magic river]

Gotta remember this one, it'll be good for a laugh whenever I click on them

[knotty oasis]

mojang is going to hire new people and the job description has benefits: Mojang cape soon to be worth $1 million

who needs insurance when you can have cape

[marble lark]

sheesh lmao

[magic river]

I wonder if they've been occasionally talking in here for the last few weeks just so they wouldn't look like an obvious scam or if they really did join here for something else and decided to try that after I was talking about it the other day

[wispy blade]

@plucky sparrow this is hello world in Elshout

funktion<main>[] /->
     schreib['h']
     schreib['e']
     schreib['l']
     schreib['l']
     schreib['o']
     schreib[' ']
     schreib['w']
     schreib['o']
     schreib['r']
     schreib['l']
     schreib['d']
>-/

[plucky sparrow]

Looks unbelievably cursed

Ruined my day thank u

[marble lark]

i thought print was schritte

[knotty oasis]

gut gemacht

its as cursed as reading dutch lang source code

[wispy blade]

no dutch lang source code is more cursed

//fix deze kankerdomme bullshit

[knotty oasis]

hehe

[toxic bone]

i forgot about account notes

[worn ember]

@wispy blade1v1 splitgate

[toxic bone]

@naom Here is your note!

[plucky sparrow]

😳

[toxic bone]

dap note

[plucky sparrow]

Car yes

[marble lark]

my legs feel like they've been broken for some reason

[toxic bone]

I fixed the dap note

[marble lark]

!ban HelveticaToast Hate speech lmao

[toxic bone]

!ban you

[worn ember]

@wispy bladelol ez game

[toxic bone]

Ok!

[marble lark]

Hope you're happy @wispy blade

[golden gust]

naomi

happy

plz

[potent fossil]

sigh, got a physics presentation today and i did, quite literally, all the work. i coded 6 or 7 different sims and told my partner to make the slides, he said ok. i check with him 2 days ago and he had done jack shit. nada.

well, that's a lie. he made 7 mostly empty slides with some google images pictures, some titles, and some shitty "to be edited later" lists on the slides

so i ended up finishing the sims, creating excel charts, and making all the slides and went to bed at 3am while he sat there and literally just watched me

and he won't practice what he's going to say with me, either

i fucking hate group projects, for one, but i think i hate college freshmen more

this ain't gonna go well today

[marble lark]

how the hell did he get away with that

[potent fossil]

oh he's not

[golden gust]

I mean, do your best, group work often has like a task declaration thing, do you know if you'll get one?

[potent fossil]

i've already reported him to the professor

[potent fossil]

wdym

[marble lark]

he means group work has a peer evaluation thing

that tracks who did what

[golden gust]

every group project I did we basically got a peer eval thing in which you write down basically how much each party did for each seperate task

[marble lark]

essentially just credits in a way

[potent fossil]

oh, i mean, i don't know if we'll get that but I've already reported him to the professor. once 2 days ago when i found out he hasn't done anything (we had 3 weeks, and he had made those shit 7 empty slides in that time, 2 days before presentation??) and once last night when he again was not doing anything while i busted my ass

[warm anchor]

No it’s to weed out lazy shit in your group bro

[potent fossil]

however we might get that, not sure

prob something like "rate your group partners"

[marble lark]

well i tried making it sound nicer but sure

[potent fossil]

but my professor doesn't like this guy either, I went to his office hours and we talked some lowkey shit about him

[marble lark]

trash talk with a professor instead of about a professor

that's a first

[potent fossil]

yeah, im pretty close with this prof. had him for 3 classes, he knows me well

but the presentation itself isn't gonna be fun

i'll be carrying again

[marble lark]

I'm sure the prof would understand

what's it about though

[potent fossil]

using the biot-savart law to find the magnetic field caused by a charge carrying wire, then application of it to simulating entrapment of an electron in a magnetic bottle

i did all the code for that, then did all the slides for it as well

😔

[marble lark]

damnnnnn

[magic river]

And here I thought this was going to be something practical about electrical interference in cables or something

[marble lark]

but why the hell does it involve this

entrapment of an electron in a magnetic bottle

[potent fossil]

https://glowscript.org/#/user/simpleauthority/folder/Phys163-OralPres/program/MagneticBottle-1

if you want to see

[potent fossil]

the application of that is earth's van allen belts, which prevent the sun from destroying our atmosphere

[marble lark]

at this rate I won't be surprised if your next module is quantum physics

[marble lark]

oh

[potent fossil]

the sun releases solar winds, earth's van allen belts are giant magnetic bottles that trap the solar wind inside

if they werent there, we'd die

[marble lark]

oh that

oh I'm dumb I thought you meant something else

lmao

[potent fossil]

[wide chasm]

Oh no, it escaped!

[potent fossil]

yea, there's no way to keep something entrapped forever

but notice it doesn't ever escape through the rings (where the fields converge near the earth)

in the context of the van allen belts, it hits the bottle and will be ejected back into space

instead of ejected directly into the earth

[magic river]

Except not always, that's why you should use ECC and data checksums

[potent fossil]

yup, high enough velocity and it'll get turned by the bottle but not entrapped

[wide chasm]

Wait, which study were you doing again?

[potent fossil]

this is literally just basic electromagnetism

im studying computer science, but this is a requirement for some god forsaken reason

[wide chasm]

tf

[marble lark]

im studying computer science

that's precisely why I'm so confused

[wide chasm]

I guess you programmed the simulation

[potent fossil]

others had to do physical labs for their presentation and actually create solenoids and helmholtz coils so at least i got to code it

kinda computer sciency

but yea still annoying

[marble lark]

your next module is gonna be heisenberg uncertainty and bose einstein condensate I'm calling it

[marble lark]

bruh moment lel

[potent fossil]

next sem is indeed quantum physics

[marble lark]

god f*cking damnit

[magic river]

Computer science and physics are adjacent to each other, they're both applied mathematics

[potent fossil]

indeed

[wide chasm]

I mean, if you go down far enough everything is either mathematics or applied mathematics

[potent fossil]

these classes have definitely helped me with problem solving and thinking huge issues into smaller components and solving each one

but the actual physics, once im done with these classes fuck it

[magic river]

Is your computer science actually applied mathematics or is it a computer programming tech school thing?

[potent fossil]

it's cool but no

the programs i'm applying to are applied mathematics, rather than software engineering with extra theory

[magic river]

Seems like a lot of them just teach you basic logic and how to write Java these days

Maybe some big O notation and basics of algorithmic complexity

[marble lark]

I'm kinda curious what topics you'll actually learn next sem ngl I did want to learn quantum mechanics properly but I got yeeted from my last major before I got to that part

[potent fossil]

i don't think it's going to go too deep into it

[marble lark]

basic logic and how to write Java these days
I wish, my current lecturer can't teach

[potent fossil]

it's modern physics, light, wave physics, quantum, and some other stuff

[wide chasm]

I did quantum mechanics in high school and given that I suck at physics, I still fear quantum mechanics

[marble lark]

granted she's a really sweet lady and all but my god she can't teach

[worn ember]

literally my course lmao

[potent fossil]

electromagnetism has been "ok", oddly a better experience than taking basic mechanics and having no clue what was going on

[worn ember]

well we also have asp and stuff but yeah xD first year is basically that

[marble lark]

woah

[worn ember]

man electronics is such a pain to learn

[potent fossil]

the code for the bottle is pretty shit, don't look too deep at it

[wide chasm]

It's Python, surely it can't be that bad

[marble lark]

my head is scrambled at the moment I can't focus enough to read into it any more than a quick glance

[potent fossil]

AHAHAHAHAHA yes we're gonna have student feedback forms

[marble lark]

don't worry it's probably better than anything I'd write anyway

[marble lark]

noice

[tender wadi]

How was that an "obvious scam"

People genuinely pay that much for cape accounts

A Mojang cape account went for $25k

But it got pulled quickly

[marble lark]

mate calm down let's try not to bring that up again

[magic river]

Try to read that sentence again

[tender wadi]

I joined here because I was doing things with the paper api

I didn't know I'd meet ppl like you here

by people like you I met with those kinds of capes

[potent fossil]

imagine trying to buy the mc account for one of original bukkit contributors

[tender wadi]

I mean

[toxic bone]

what kind of cape was it?

[tender wadi]

I didn't think it was impossiblr

[marble lark]

migration cape I think

[tender wadi]

Codename_B sold his mc account recently

for like $5k

[toxic bone]

why tf are you trying to buy a a migration cape account

[tender wadi]

had 3 minecon capes

[tender wadi]

no

[marble lark]

wait seriously?

[magic river]

https://namemc.com/cape/8dd71c1ee6ec0ae4

[tender wadi]

mojira mod

[worn ember]

why is this such a big deal? dude asked to buy, got told no, big deal

[tender wadi]

and yeah he did

[tender wadi]

He's calling me an idiot and scammer and shit

[potent fossil]

@magic river will buy ur mc account for $5 and a sucky

deal?

[tender wadi]

I was being genuine, I ain't wanna come off as misunderstood

[marble lark]

and a sucky
uhh

[magic river]

ooh, that's tempting

[tender wadi]

one of the rarest and sexiest capes

[toxic bone]

hm

[worn ember]

you're always misunderstood in paper lul

[marble lark]

does codename_B not do hypixel any more

[tender wadi]

yeah dude

someone I knew offered it to me

nah he does hytale

they perm banned it from hypixel when he sold it tho I think

that's what someone told me im not sure if the current owner got it unbanned

[worn ember]

probably not

idk why you'd clear a banlist

[tender wadi]

wdym?

[marble lark]

unless the current owner is working at hypixel's host and has access to the machines running hypixel servers I really doubt so

[tender wadi]

I meant like appealed or something

[plucky sparrow]

hypixel is really tough with bans and mutes

rarely appeals get accepted

[marble lark]

it's an Admin account they probably won't unless codename himself asks them to

[worn ember]

man, i have this pbi i need to do but no one linked the other pbi's that had to happen before it so i've been going through like 3 pbi's to figure out where i got to start lol

[tender wadi]

yeah bro one of my mc accts was banned In hypixel in 2014

for advertising

[worn ember]

jobs are fun

[tender wadi]

they still won't unban it to this day

[toxic bone]

You broke the rules and they won't unban you???

[tender wadi]

2014 fam

[marble lark]

hypixel doesn't do perm bans as often nowadays though from what i hear

[worn ember]

outragious

[tender wadi]

come on

[plucky sparrow]

eh

[worn ember]

well permanent ban is a long time

[plucky sparrow]

it's first a month ban

then a year ban

and then it's permanent

[tender wadi]

cant even appeal it

[toxic bone]

skill issue

[marble lark]

my third ban is still a year though

[plucky sparrow]

oh hm

i thought it worked like that

no idea tbh then

[worn ember]

how tf do you even get banned on servers lol, ive legit only been banned once and that cuz i was literally being a dick to the owner

[marble lark]

that's the old system I think now they use some sort of forgiveness calculation

[marble lark]

cheating

[plucky sparrow]

my only ban was from when i joined hypixel from somewhere else than usual

[marble lark]

I can't aim

[toxic bone]

I got a security alert ban on hypixel once 😔 😔

[plucky sparrow]

yea same

[toxic bone]

Changed your password? Good, you can't play for a month.

[plucky sparrow]

LOL

yes

[marble lark]

does hypixel use Paper or their own fork of Spigot I'm curious lmao

[worn ember]

they use their own stuff

[unkempt drift]

does hypixel use paper for its own personal servers

that relatively new thing