wtf
#general
potent fossil
marble lark
speaking of movies @warped pelican thanks for the recommendation
potent fossil
go watch jumanji
marble lark
it was a helluva amazing one
marble lark
go watch jumanji
aight
graal really seems to be blazing ahead and stopping for nothing
it's nothing short of a miracle xd
shame I can't compile it though :/
twin lagoon
@warm anchor 
wispy blade
just managed to finish a full game of otb shogi in class without the teacher noticing
g fucking g
twin lagoon
Ok
potent fossil
hi michol
wispy blade
hi gimmpel
vernal moth
I managed to spend my whole work day morning in bed without my boss noticing, I think that's an accomplishment
potent fossil
hello pimple
please send a pepelove. I need it from you
quick pasture
I managed to spend my whole work day morning in bed without my boss noticing, I ...
can u teach me this skill
minor badge
@potent fossil 
potent fossil
yey
minor badge
I work fully remote so can do that any day 😎
twin lagoon
please send a pepelove. I need it from you
potent fossil
WOOOO
quick pasture
Doggo is also a very good boy
potent fossil
Is his name doggo
quick pasture
Rex 😁
quick pasture
heady spear
@mental meadow you are super cool and you're also super good and the best thing about you is that you're not michael
good morning c:
quick pasture
hey be nice to michael
quick pasture
o ok
mental meadow
hey citi!!!<3
heady spear
@twin lagoon bad
quick pasture
did he break ur prod env or sth
heady spear
no
I just don't want him to develop too much of an ego
we need to keep it down so that he doesn't realize that he can accomplish greater things
Join in on the bullying, it's for the greater good of the community
twin lagoon
wtf
quick pasture
hm
plucky sparrow
don't see the point in that tbqh
what is the point in you
plucky sparrow
Never
heady spear
without me the country would just fall apart
potent fossil
paper's intelligence level drops at a very high rate the moment city shows up ngl
potent fossil
do it i dare you
heady spear
actually I am broke
potent fossil
imagine brocc teaching math
potent fossil
yea can you teach me gauss's law
heady spear
you should be working now
no eating until MR is merged
starvation is a great motivator
waxen panther
i'll wash it down with a monster
potent fossil
@waxen panther https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gauss's_law
tutor me
heady spear
stop being a nerd simple
mental meadow
nimple?
quick pasture
monster is disgusting sorry
waxen panther
math is stupid and you should drop out and become a pianoist
heady spear
I had fresh berries and vegan yogurt for breakfast
quick pasture
red bull blue edition only
waxen panther
heady spear
my friend I were going to go for a hike as well but then we realized that we're garbage people and we don't do shit like that at 9am
plucky sparrow
it tastes like depression
mental meadow
I had 5 pills of random medicine for breakfast
potent fossil
my breakfast was adderall
plucky sparrow
y'all really have breakfast?..
mental meadow
that is SAD
potent fossil
hey who wants to study triboelectricity
here's an example of it, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/Cat_demonstrating_static_cling_with_styrofoam_peanuts.jpg
so who's in
mental meadow
each week you don't come visit me you'll have to buy me another 
heady spear
yes D: I'll be in the UK in October most likely and Mimmi doesn't have time to go until October
november**
fuck sake
so the plan rn is barcelona in september, uk in october, germany & austria in november and finland in december 😐
potent fossil
city, hello
the term is actually fuck's sake
heady spear
stop bullying foreigners and go back to struggling with math
plucky sparrow
so the plan rn is barcelona in september, uk in october, germany & austria in no...
nothing in september pls
potent fossil
that's rude
heady spear
sorry already bought the tickets & paid for the airbnb
plucky sparrow
return them
mental meadow
hey who wants to study triboelectricity
here's an example of it, https://upload...
I'll volunteer as the cat
plucky sparrow
me
potent fossil
fantastic, now i need to rub you and aurora together very fast
mental meadow
please don't
potent fossil
heady spear
aurora am gonna bring cinnamon buns to u and they r gonna be stale
solid sapphire
yo where can i buy lubricating rock juice
plucky sparrow
literally useless
You’re pointless
solid sapphire
who wants to be the peanuts
ill be allergic to myself so no
plucky sparrow
@heady spear
potent fossil
packing peanuts you yoho
plucky sparrow
Words cannot describe the immense hate I have towards you
mental meadow
I remember last time I went to IKEA I puked, fun day
plucky sparrow
❤️
heady spear
dap is literally too stupid to use words hahah dum
heady spear
ye ur dum
heady spear
ok sorry losers i am gonna go back to all my bitches in my giant mansion. take care 
potent fossil
thought you were broke
solid sapphire
brb i have to eat my dogs homework
potent fossil
send me money asshole
heady spear
send me asshole money
potent fossil
im broke
heady spear
ok send me ass
potent fossil
fresh out
heady spear
ok i don't want urs anyway
solid sapphire
:concern: is the best i can describe this place
plucky sparrow
That too ❤️
solid sapphire
or i can show you how the bottom of a full well looks like
solid sapphire
da faq
i searched flamethrower
and a model which you have to fking plug into a gas cylinder comes up
pretty sure its illegal but 
solid sapphire
:worry: its 500 rupees too, cant wait to see the quality
solid sapphire
how else are you going to generate the ignition fuel
yeah idk 14kg bom* attached to a flamethrower is good idea
potent fossil
so the logic checks out
potent fossil
have you heard of a backpack holding the gas cylinder
you know, how soldiers do it https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00/German_soldier_with_flamethrower_c1941.jpg
derp? lol
potent fossil
solid sapphire
you know, how soldiers do it https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00...
good idea where can i not buy one
potent fossil
idk thats on you
twin lagoon
@minor badge
solid sapphire
also pretty sure govrnament is on my footsteps now
solid sapphire
lmao
wispy blade
can't use ssh on school wifi 😔
solid sapphire
ssh on port 42069
vernal moth
I managed to move from my bed to my couch
vernal moth
Watching my boss boss boss give a talk
wispy blade
lol
vernal moth
solid sapphire
lol
wispy blade
mmmm cables
potent fossil
he looks memeable
solid sapphire
so it wont get mushy or somthng
untold copper
get ur cabling together mini
solid sapphire
you dont want to see my setup™
untold copper
my dad is mad about tv home cinema setups, so we have like really well put together tv setups
worn crest
can't use ssh on school wifi 😔
We can't use school WLAN because German internet is like trash and don't even have glass fibre
untold copper
we even got a table made just for the mega home cinema setup
untold copper
how do you live here
vernal moth
We can't use school WLAN because German internet is like trash and don't even ha...
Every school in my city has gigabit fiber, lol
untold copper
disgusting
solid sapphire
thanks mini for reminding em to call dell sipport
worn crest
Every school in my city has gigabit fiber, lol
Our city leader isn't interested in that xd
vernal moth
Elect a better major then
solid sapphire
+1
worn crest
Not my city xd
vernal moth
Cologne is ruled by the greens, a handful conservatives and volt
worn crest
Was on my old school today and talked a bit with a high tier person and he say we should annoy trough a friend the school minister of our land 
vernal moth
Our city owns an ISP so major just tasked them to give every school fiber so they just did it
solid sapphire
wat
vernal moth
They also handle all PCs and laptops and smart boards in the schools
worn crest
But that can't be done within 3 years I'm in school I guess. I mean we've waited decades for a water spender
vernal moth
They have a separate department for that
solid sapphire
tf dell i dont have a support tag
plucky sparrow
noo pc on floor :(
plucky sparrow
its not good
vernal moth
Where else would I put it, lol
plucky sparrow
specially if you have pets
vernal moth
As long as you don't have carpet or pets it doesn't matter
solid sapphire
no wonder like last every pc i had died
vernal moth
I also have no intake at the bottom anyways
plucky sparrow
usually power supplies are at the bottom of the case so they take the air from the bottom
so the psu will get quite dusty
solid sapphire
heh cheep case moment
its at the top 😎
anyways i have no issue now laptop skuck
if i dont come back in 5 miniutes just wait longer.
potent fossil
provide it with the juice
limber knotBOT
I mean, you only need an usb charger and a set of cables/adapters 👀
vernal moth
USB c or bust
wispy blade
tell that to texas instruments
vernal moth
Why do people still use such calculators when phones exist?
twin lagoon
exam requirements
vernal moth
I wasn't even allowed to use an calculator in exams 😂
wide chasm
You'd fail your exam here if you wouldn't use a calculator
You need the graphing capabilities to solve stuff, unless you want to solve fourth-degree polynomials by hand
worn ember
i'm sure thats mini's preferred way
vernal moth
We had to
In stochastics we were allowed to use a dum calculator
Analysis and linear algebra no calculator at all
wide chasm
I couldn't use a calculator for linear algebra either
limber knotBOT
yeah it depends on the topics
wide chasm
High-school can always use a calculator here on exams
limber knotBOT
most will forbid smart, programmable graphics calculators lol
wide chasm
TI-83/84 line has an exam mode to just disable that stuff
limber knotBOT
but we learned to use those in schools and were actually encouraged to write our own programs for certain parts
I imagine it's extremely easy to re-enable lol
wide chasm
You need to plug your calculator into a charger to re-enable it
And you can't really charge your calculator during an exam
limber knotBOT
so get a small portable one? I've seen people cheat in more impossible situations lol
wide chasm
Then there would be a cable coming out of your calculator, that's easily noticeable
limber knotBOT
if you just need to charge it to change that you would only temporarily need to plug something in that can be as small as the port
(besides the fact that I am 100% sure that there are ways to escape the test mode from within the OS lol)
dude just buy it lmao
wide chasm
Could be, but I don't see how you're gonna get into the OS while in exam mode? Also note that just charging is not enough, it needs to be charging and then needs to be disabled from a different device.
mental meadow
This is not a marketplace @void void
limber knotBOT
yeah just read that, you just need to send it certain commands from a different device
wide chasm
Sure, you could probably custom design a whole bunch of stuff to bypass it, but at that point, good job on designing that stuff
mental meadow
Read the rules please
limber knotBOT
so yeah, if one wants to go the simply hardware route one can just get a mini dongle that sends the commands
wide chasm
If you're custom designing stuff, at that point, good job, congrats on cheating
limber knotBOT
I mean one would obviously design those to sell them to people that want to cheat lol
but seeing as test mode isn't really used in germany anyways I never knew about it before lol
(or well, at least not in Saxony. Education is decided on the state level)
marble lark
You need the graphing capabilities to solve stuff, unless you want to solve four...
have people actually done that before
limber knotBOT
what? solve stuff by hand? of course lol
potent fossil
you've heard of the quadratic equation @marble lark
or rather, formula
enjoy now the quartic formula https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/Quartic_Formula.svg/2560px-Quartic_Formula.svg.png
marble lark
I meant in the exams all by hand
marble lark
you've heard of the quadratic equation <@!315418061618413568>
yeah
potent fossil
and, i hope not, unless they converting it to power series (calculus)
potent fossil
meh
marble lark
i did have a friend from secondary school (I think it's called High School in the West?) that genuinely never needed a calculator ever though
guy was a madlad
potent fossil
nty
marble lark
?
potent fossil
ill solve a nasty ass integral then use my calculator to do the limits and verify im not braindead
🥺
marble lark
i did have a friend from secondary school (I think it's called High School in th...
man used to go into the exams without one for real but we didn't have quartic equations in said exams at that level
which is why I asked
I'm glad to know I'm not just dumb and that most people do in fact use one
potent fossil
what level of math are we talking about here
marble lark
calculus (Differentiation and Integrals)
or well to me that was the most complex thing i had in my syallabus
i can't spell f*ck me
potent fossil
yea i use it to verify limits and to check graphs but that's bout it
although im past that now, am in differential equations now and basically teaching myself the entire subject bc my professor is a bitch
potent fossil
not that bad tho
derivative = derivative
integrate both sides
k done
woo
alright its almost 6am and i spent the last 2 hours solving a nasty electrostatics problem (some ppl prob laugh at that in here) but im legitimately braindead now, no neurons left
goodnight
marble lark
alright its almost 6am and i spent the last 2 hours solving a nasty electrostati...
who tf laughs at that lmao
night
steady pulsar
@mental meadoware u really the cute anime girl I've been dreaming of? OwO
vernal moth
Can you not ping unsolicited like that?
mental meadow
yes, yes I am
marble lark
the contrast in the replies tho
vernal moth
It's a new account that joined just for that message
Idk about you, but my troll meter responded to that
vernal moth
How do you lookup nitro status?
nimble depot
How do you lookup nitro status?
hover over the icon and it shows the date
nimble depot
oh I forgot
on mobile just press the badge and it should bring up the date at the bottom of the screen
vernal moth
On android it just gives you a nitro ad
worn ember
Get a beer mini, ur being grumpy 
native wolf
Doesn't Mini like live on beer lol
marble lark
true that
vernal moth
I just discussed with a group of people why they don't like a paper PR we approved cause Hur dur I wanna run my server as root
worn ember
lol
native wolf
Running the server as root is the most stupid idea in existence
worn ember
oh uh
native wolf
I don't understand why people even do it
marble lark
ye mean this mini?
literally nobody cares, and as cat said, your PR was closed because your branch is messed up, you should never PR from master. but no need to try and recreate this.
no
native wolf
ye mean this mini?
```
literally nobody cares, and as cat said, your PR was clo...
That was from a random "fix typo" PR
marble lark
I sorta feel bad now cause I used to always PR from master :/
warm anchor
Good morning aurora 
native wolf
I used to PR from master when i knew nothing about Git lol
marble lark
I used to PR from master when i knew nothing about Git lol
same
I'm actually pretty new to git to be honest
I only actually started properly using it last year
native wolf
Minecraft server stuff is how i learned Git
I knew only how to commit and push before that
meager tusk
I just zip up my code and send it to other workers who want to make contributions.
Or I send the code via text message.
I prefer the latter.
meager tusk
Version control? What do you mean, like changing the version numbers? That's easy.
meager tusk
Git? Never heard of it.
marble lark
I only recently found out the difference between rebasing and merging and i felt dumb when I did xd
native wolf
I just zip up my code and send it to other workers who want to make contribution...
This is how my friend does it and i literally failed every time i tried teaching him Git
nimble depot
how most people (including me) get on contributes lists: makes Pr and fixes a single mistake and gets it accepted
marble lark
I tried doing that on Paperweight and Paper and most failed besides 1 commit ;-;
meager tusk
Rebase? Merging? Get out of here. Force push to master or bust.
solid sapphire
not my pug but
steady pulsar
It's a new account that joined just for that message
wat u talkin about i came here for paper support
steady pulsar
yes, yes I am
OwO
nimble depot
Real programmers commit to master
wispy blade
exactly B)
limber knotBOT
solid sapphire
yes
void void
I just discussed with a group of people why they don't like a paper PR we approv...
Is this about my pr?
wispy blade
yeah
void void
I just discussed with a group of people why they don't like a paper PR we approv...
Its a warning 😂
If they really want to, they can ignore it
marble lark
what's this about running Paper as root
nimble depot
its just flicking switches
AI/ML: existing
worn ember
the sand isn't thinking
what are you, the sand whisperer or something
void void
is that my screenshot?
meager tusk
Might be
idle plover
taco
void void
lmao it is
idle plover
https://www.reddit.com/r/admincraft/comments/pjtgnm/yo_this_new_fork/hcb9di0/?co...
DripstoneMC
ah
void void
not actually intended for use on prod btw
idle plover
great to see that it's something different than Yatopia-like thinking
faint crystal
LMAO
void void
great to see that it's something different than Yatopia-like thinking
This intentionally breaks the game for fun :P
unlike Yatopia, where it wasn't intentional
idle plover
If I'd have time at the moment I'd publish my private patches 😆 as a separate fork
scenic elbow
his "spigot fork" https://github.com/minhh2792/ElainaSpigot?fbclid=IwAR3WlNgLBpgqA90S3sFnlw9QLhD0i7Sk0eIELzYa7p633dd5IRJDS_h8h0I
warm anchor
Those are not very optimized
Use this for the best performance if you want https://github.com/TehBrian/NoServer
void void
If they really want to, they can ignore it
You can disable the warning if you're on unix, not gonna tell them how though 
void void
Use this for the best performance if you want https://github.com/TehBrian/NoServ...
beautiful
#paper-dev message
ReloadFixer plugin when™️
tropic flame
speaking of wicked projects, PlugMan got abandoned and now there's a fork of it
meager tusk
Use this for the best performance if you want https://github.com/TehBrian/NoServ...
Very funny Eternity 😐😐😐😐😐
unkempt drift
Use this for the best performance if you want https://github.com/TehBrian/NoServ...
I installed on prod server, and am getting complaints, how fix
Fast help pls
meager tusk
Tell whoever's complaining to go outside and get some sunlight
warm anchor
serene bolt
Use this for the best performance if you want https://github.com/TehBrian/NoServ...
api-version: 1.17
I am disappointed that it only supports 1.17 and newer.
serene bolt
technically, I'm pretty sure api-version didn't exist back then, so it should be ignored by the server and run just fine!
wispy blade
will pr
void void
technically, I'm pretty sure `api-version` didn't exist back then, so it should ...
am dumb 1.8 user
don't know that
wispy blade
tfw gevulde koek has no almond
warm anchor
`api-version: 1.17`
I am disappointed that it only supports 1.17 and newer.
@austere ivy hello. Halp. There are customer complaints
void void
The cat ears have to come from somewhere
warm anchor
Where is my Java 18 
vernal moth
In more exciting news: https://mreinhold.org/blog/forward-even-faster
LTS every two years
wispy blade
nice
wispy blade
paper use java 17 when /s
tropic flame
for some reason Termux decided to put OpenJDK 17 in their repositories when it wasn't GA yet
like a month or two ago
so I've been using version 17 on my phone for all this time lmao
yes because sometimes i run java apps on my phone like my private discord bot
tropic flame
wtf why
because it was the only version of java available on Termux
aaaand if Java really runs "anywhere" then my phone is just as fit 😛
wispy blade
true
tropic flame
well there was technically a hack to install OpenJDK 8 but it wasn't official, some things did not work + i wrote my stuff in Java 16 sooooo
wispy blade
based
austere ivy
<@!121476000046514178> hello. Halp. There are customer complaints <:notlikerie:8...
eternity 
yes don’t worry I will be there soon with my complaint-eliminating trash bin
south matrix
is there a list of changes between 16 and 17?
worn crest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9bnmES7O74&t=1s 💀 imagine making hidden photos with glasses
vestal jasper
An hour
I remember installing wow TBC before bed and barely having it finish by the time I wake up
plucky sparrow
The magic of fiber
Although my isp is shit
Or the router
Seems like the latter
wispy blade
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9bnmES7O74&t=1s 💀 imagine making hidden photos...
google glassrs
elfin steppe
how does one get notified whenever a new java version releases?
mossy vessel
mailing lists, gh releases, other locations; the release dates are known more than half a year before.
marble lark
Java 17 is GA
that quick?
marble lark
nah I was just surprised it released GA this early
stuff like this almost always gets delayed for a long time
mossy vessel
Not really, no
fossil patio
java releases are tied to apple events
marble lark
lel
plucky sparrow
apple event in 30 mins
marble lark
java ~~16~~ 17 is the new hotness
The version where Valhalla and Leyden merge into the main jdk would probably be the new craze tbh
no telling when that would be tho
void void
Apple event in 9 minutes 👀
vernal moth
Time to ban apple and Ios words for the next 6 hours
tropic flame
🍎
wispy blade
days*
plucky sparrow
That would be a miracle
wispy blade
if i get banned, it's probably for accidentally posting anime booba in general
void void
the transitions are so smooth
mossy vessel
better has less frame and more iPad
unkempt drift
oo usb C on the mini. (will they do it on the iPhone)
vernal moth
Time to mute this channel
solid sapphire
man perople saying shit bout india had been spiking in other servers after josh came around
mossy vessel
Gosh this is ugly af
worn ember
mental meadow
if i get banned, it's probably for accidentally posting anime booba in general
happens to the best
mossy vessel
Now we know where the lesser frames from the iPhone has gone to 
solid sapphire
smh smh imagine puttin ur phone up to your hear
plucky sparrow
The old ones were absolute shit but now they’re quite great
solid sapphire
also i washed it and it died
plucky sparrow
mossy vessel
That looks even uglier than in the preview
tropic flame
if i get banned, it's probably for accidentally posting anime booba in general
you can always send them to my DMs
solid sapphire
i have a blade server to play with for the next week or so
what should i do
first am gonna sleep with it, i have 2 pillows on my bed and i only use one
plucky sparrow
Bigger screen on Apple Watch
wispy blade
you can always send them to my DMs
will do
peak dirge
It happened! Java 17 is out. https://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/jdk-dev/2021-September/006037.html
unkempt drift
oh yes, new Hermes watch bands (that cost like $10,000). just what Ive been waiting for
wispy blade
lol ok
plucky sparrow
The new red Apple Watch is hot as hell
solid sapphire
oh wait didnt see tux
full rune
~~oh wait didnt see tux~~
meanwhile mini said it a few hours ago
tropic flame
It happened! Java 17 is out. https://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/jdk-dev/202...
based Java 17
also hi tux
cunning raft
😴😴😴
magic river
Time to update all the bots and guides and such to tell people if they aren't using Java 17 they need to upgrade 😛
unkempt drift
well papers not gonna update unless mojang does right?
marble lark
well papers not gonna update unless mojang does right?
doesn't Mojang use Java 11
I can't remember rip
tropic flame
doesn't Mojang use Java 11
16
vernal moth
We expect Mojang to ship 17 with 1.18
marble lark
grats on them for doing what they should've done long ago
vernal moth
So once the distros did catch up, we should update our stuff
mossy vessel
Oh No! I MuSt UpDaTe My JaVa VeRsIoN AgAiN!!!
marble lark
Oh No! I MuSt UpDaTe My JaVa VeRsIoN AgAiN!!!
makes you wonder if some of the anecdotal cases of Java grossly underperforming is cause the person is using an ancient build
worn ember
tbh updating java can be quite annoying 
left swift
No u
worn ember
marble lark
tbh updating java can be quite annoying <:kek:594643029994897408>
the installer's improved a lot over the years though
native wolf
Updating Java is only annoying if you are on Windows
worn ember
the installer's improved a lot over the years though
yeah true
plucky sparrow
I’d rather not
mossy vessel
Updating Java on windows is like running a .msi lol
worn ember
i had more issues updating it on linux tbh
magic river
Updating everything but browsers is kind of annoying on Windows
plucky sparrow
Excuse me? What type of black sorcery are you doing
elfin steppe
sdkman 😎
worn ember
windows literally has an executable for java
ok that made no sense but you get what i mean
magic river
Sure you have to go download a thing and click next a bunch of times
plucky sparrow
It’s definitely not easy
mossy vessel
We listen
native wolf
Well on Linux you just get updates through your package manager so yeah
worn ember
Updating Java on windows is like running a .msi lol
this
magic river
via apt update && apt upgrade
plucky sparrow
You need to like change a path or something and tbf I’ve never got it to work
worn ember
until the version isnt on the repo's yet
mossy vessel
The installer does that for you
plucky sparrow
So I’ll just use Java 16 forever
magic river
If you have multiple javas installed then you might have to worry about environment changes too, yeah
plucky sparrow
That’s the issue
native wolf
Just need to change the environment variables
elfin steppe
jabba 😎
native wolf
Or just use the full path
worn ember
Updates java on linux:
Jenkins: ☠️
native wolf
I usually just make a symlink when i use multiple Java versions on Linux
magic river
dpkg-reconfigure
elfin steppe
%JAVA_HOME%/bin does it for me on windows
worn ember
i spend like 40 minutes trying to figure out how to make jenkins use j16
magic river
Unless JAVA_HOME is still set to your old Oracle Java 8 install 😛
void void
Updates java on linux:
Jenkins: ☠️
Jenkins only likes java 8 or 11 :(
worn ember
im just annoyed i gotta tell linux where to put shit and expect me to remember where i put it the next time i need it
native wolf
im just annoyed i gotta tell linux where to put shit and expect me to remember w...
Sounds like Windows for me tbh
worn ember
the imessanger breach was funni
marble lark
Updating Java on windows sucks
not anymore really
magic river
Although only Tim Apple is in the theater, the others have to stand in random rooms with CG screens put in later
marble lark
I just updated from 16 to 17 5 minutes ago
it took just a double click on the installer and everything was set
digital talon
oh you can download it at Oracle again: https://www.oracle.com/java/technologies/downloads/
magic river
Don't, no, stop
native wolf
sudo apt install openjdk-17-jdk B)
plucky sparrow
not anymore really
Try changing your Java version back to 8
magic river
To be fair fuck Java 8
native wolf
Java 8 should be burned
marble lark
Try changing your Java version back to 8
that's like 9 versions behind
marble lark
Don't, no, stop
?
marble lark
Java 8 should be burned
Java 8 uses Mr. Gosling's legacy interpreter fwir and doesn't have access to the newer one in the latest versions too so gg to your startup times if you use it
magic river
Downloading from Oracle still requires a license for commercial use
plucky sparrow
It’s adaptive too!
marble lark
frick
tropic flame
Unless JAVA_HOME is still set to your old Oracle Java 8 install 😛
i just wrote a script so i can quickly switch my JDK in JAVA_HOME lmao ez
magic river
ProMotion is just FreeSync
digital talon
Downloading from Oracle still requires a license for commercial use
no... they changed it... you can use 17 even commercial!
magic river
Show me where it says that
digital talon
Show me where it says that
"JDK 17 binaries are free to use in production and free to redistribute, at no cost, under the Oracle No-Fee Terms and Conditions License."
magic river
marble lark
no... they changed it... you can use 17 even commercial!
yoooooo
magic river
So their licensing is confusing then, classic Oracle
quasi valley
My favorite leisure activity, reading an 80 page long license manual
vernal moth
It just changed
magic river
The webpage says you can use their builds but the licensing PDF on that website says pay for a subscription
vernal moth
Website most likely just isn't updated yet
marble lark
The webpage says you can use their builds but the licensing PDF on that website ...
documentation can be outdated I guess
I did spend the past 2 hours dying internally over Gradle until I found out the docs were outdated :/
brave radish
https://blogs.oracle.com/java/post/free-java-license
note the tab title
magic river
The licensing PDF says it's for Java 17 though
digital talon
yes only for Java 17+
magic river
No I mean the licensing PDF that says you need a subscription
quasi valley
Not all of that are subscriptions
magic river
digital talon
marble lark
there's more than 2 bullet points
I'm already falling asleep reading the first one
magic river
I would still avoid them because they're making it confusing
lone cave
Hello
magic river
And because fuck oracle
When in doubt go with the non-Oracle solution, you'll be happier
quasi valley
It's at least nice to have to bridge the time before other vendors release their builds
magic river
Nothing in that PDF I can see suggests you can use it for free
marble lark
When in doubt go with the non-Oracle solution, you'll be happier
up till now I always used Oracle builds out of convenience rip
magic river
But then a blog post and a line on the download page says you can
So... they probably just decided on this right before the release
But they also might just be doing the standard Oracle tactic of making their licensing confusing so they can audit you later
marble lark
When in doubt go with the non-Oracle solution, you'll be happier
there's no performance differences between the 2 right
magic river
Right
marble lark
But they also might just be doing the standard Oracle tactic of making their lic...
fair enough
ah ok
left swift
Kenny more like smelly
marble lark
cause I wasn't sure if they distributed the openjdk builds but just with a different license and logo or if they add their own stuff to the JVM
tropic flame
just use Adoptium lmao
left swift
Azul god of keys
magic river
I think Microsoft eventually wants theirs to just be Adoptium
The way Apple handles different levels of phones is funny
Instead of making a midrange phone they just keep selling the iPhone 11 and 12
warm anchor
Adoptium is a good name. Reminds me of Coptium
quasi valley
Temurin isn't a good name tho
and neither is their constant swabble between adoptium and temurin, where you think the builds are adoptium
mental meadow
god we just updated paper on our main system and fuck, tuinity is magic
brave radish
builds are temurin, org is adoptium; that's really it
mental meadow
102 players on one server, 20tps
marble lark
god we just updated paper on our main system and fuck, tuinity is magic
makes sense once you see the insane patches leaf was up to
mental meadow
I know but seeing it in action is another thing
like right now the bottleneck is the bungeecord, and not the minecraft server, like wtf
magic river
That's the kind of stuff we never wanted to do in CraftBukkit, too invasive or too large of a change
marble lark
used to base my Paper fork on Tuinity and it was always blazing fast for me
(Stopped using it once it merged into Paper)
magic river
We weren't happy with some of the crazy stuff we had to do for the API, doing something as bad or worse just for a perf win was unthinkable
But I suppose you have more active people and Minecraft updates are slower
They were slowing down then but we didn't know that, they were random
tropic flame
builds are temurin, org is adoptium; that's really it
java.vendor shows "Eclipse Foundation" tho instead of adoptium
brave radish
ok and doesn't it show Azul on Zulu?
magic river
The whole thing is an eclipse project, yes
Eclipse is shorthand for "all the notable Java orgs other than Oracle" but also sometimes it's just shorthand for "IBM", I think this one is the former
left swift
Amaranth recalling ye olden days
marble lark
like right now the bottleneck is the bungeecord, and not the minecraft server, l...
my fork of it used to have to throttle itself cause it was going so fast lmao (I was logging how much the main thread slept)
tropic flame
anyways i just suggested Adoptium because AdoptOpenJDK was pretty good so eh
magic river
Adoptium is probably what they'll all be eventually
Either they'll just point to Adoptium or use their tooling to make their own builds
vernal moth
Temurin isn't a good name tho
Temurin is both a chemical similar to caffeine and an anagram of "runtime"
magic river
vernal moth
Literally copy pasted a message by kezz 😂
Sorry, no, octy
It's the official explanation
brave radish
ok and doesn't it show Azul on Zulu?
yeah I checked; precisely it's Azul Systems, Inc.
magic river
When I search for temurin I get a wikipedia article for theacrine instead
Which is a caffeine analogue
vernal moth
When I search for temurin I get a wikipedia article for theacrine instead
Maybe it's like latin
nova plume
ooooh
tropic flame
`java.vendor` shows "Eclipse Foundation" tho instead of adoptium
my point here was that it'd be less confusing if it showed "Adoptium" instead of "Eclipse Foundation", a bit like how GitHub's official projects show "GitHub Inc." instead of "Microsoft Corporations"
but ¯_(ツ)_/¯
tropic flame
indeed 
magic river
So they'll have 17 in a week
quasi valley
at least they realized it was confusing
worn ember
nova plume
So they'll have 17 in a week
corretto alr has it
tropic flame
https://github.com/adoptium/adoptium/issues/73#issuecomment-919367494
that's good, then
tropic flame
oh technically Adoptium already has nightly builds of JDK 17 but you have to dig into their github
magic river
Microsoft doesn't maintain ABI compatibility with MSVCRT so every application has to install their own
tropic flame
it's not in Adoptium.net
magic river
You might get some overlap if apps built against the same release but otherwise yeah, every patch even might break things
void void
The Microshaft experience™️
formal turret
<:KEKW:780519739327250443> https://twitter.com/md__5/status/1433328842765062146/...
damn only at 17
it's ok though, i have 13 .NET frameworks
magic river
I have 19 of them
wide chasm
15 here
magic river
MSVCRT I mean
magic river
I think I technically only have one .NET framework but it's in 3 pieces
mental meadow
ok but do you have this epic program?
magic river
There weren't even 13 ABI breaks in the .NET world I don't think so even if you had every single one installed you wouldn't have that many
And I think a couple of them don't even run on modern Windows
Fucking Logitech
mental meadow
50% of my program list is Logitech G HUB
formal turret
most of them are the same version, so i think they're also just in multiple places
magic river
All the MSVCRT 2020s and such are actually separate copies but the .NET stuff if it says the same version I think is just the difference pieces of one version
heady spear
hello hangar when?
void void
when you contribute to it
worn ember
ew its mr uni dropout
vernal moth
hello hangar when?
i last worked on it on Saturday, hoped I could continue today but I feel like shit
marble lark
i last worked on it on Saturday, hoped I could continue today but I feel like sh...
that's me everyday
worn ember
that's me everyday
you are what you eat
vernal moth
I would force myself it work if I could, lol
worn ember
Anyone here watched The Witcher?
heady spear
yes
worn ember
have you seen season 2?
magic river
Season 2 is out?
worn ember
yeah
magic river
No, it comes out in December?
worn ember
idk i just noticed a season 2 in the list
im still on season 1
so didnt bother looking
magic river
iirc it's about Vesemir when he was getting started
Oh, no idea why they'd show a season 2 in there
No leaks or anything, it doesn't exist yet
novel horizon
is YT not working? lol
It is, weird
There is some error
On one site 🤔
youtu.be doesn't work properly for me
ashen cliff
Yeah. .be is broken.
void void
it's supposed to redirect you to .com right?
novel horizon
Yeah
twin lagoon
@ashen cliff have you had issues with hetzner's network interface disconnecting randomly
ashen cliff
Yes.
twin lagoon
@mental meadow boom
warm anchor
Lmao
ashen cliff
Yes.
mental meadow
epic 
left swift
Epic
simple trout
hey, im trying to make a new fork of paper... What should i name it ? can anyone suggest a unique name
simple trout
:/ unique
robust tiger
yeetopia
brave radish
Water would actually be kinda cool
robust tiger
Saltcane
south matrix
Yatopia doesn't exist, what are you on about?
rare python
Water
These suggestions were suggested because they are related to paper.
The physical object
south matrix
@void void am i right
digital talon
stone paper spock lizard scissors
void void
yatopia was a collective hallucination
wispy blade
so, like the US of A?
simple trout
name suggestions need like within a short word and proffesional unique
wispy blade
yeah but what kinda fork is it @simple trout
void void
never heard of it
you've never heard of the country with the largest economy in the world 
brave radish
Twangity
void void
name suggestions need like within a short word and proffesional unique
make something up idk
making names is hard
lol
simple trout
yeah but what kinda fork is it <@!743530311488503848>
its like deep fork
void void
what
simple trout
:/ something deep and proffesional
void void
?
simple trout
secret .. you will be know after releasing it
left swift
Maybe you should learn how to spell professional first
void void
lmao
void void
secret .. you will be know after releasing it
i mean, it's not my fork, I won't be releasing anything
simple trout
i'm gonna release it on 1oct
left swift
Call it repap
wispy blade
i'd fork stuff but idk how i'd maintain + i'm not that familiar with java
left swift
Fork u
wispy blade
anyway just had 2 of these
void void
i'd fork stuff but idk how i'd maintain + i'm not *that* familiar with java
only fork if you have an actual purpose or smth
that's how I learned java
I had a goal
brave radish
the irony
wispy blade
i've written stuff from scratch but like, (java) best practices etc
worn ember
kaas
void void
what
wispy blade
hang on i have an image for this
worn ember
koekoeksklok
simple trout
i wanna name it like coder's related something ... something unique
simple trout
osu.jar
left swift
Call it paperspigot2
void void
not sure why you're asking a public chat this
left swift
Call it deadinwater
worn ember
DOA
Dead On Arrival
left swift
Deez Ornaments Awesome
wispy blade
DOA
Ded Ongelooflijk Achterlijk
void void
how are we supposed to know that
left swift
Cool
void void
digital talon
call it PaperPimp
worn ember
PP
left swift
Call it when's paper 1.18
wispy blade
just go to google and search for random word generator
pick the one after 25 randomizes
left swift
Not enough random
brave radish
Veriselly
worn ember
infinite random to get true random
simple trout
pick the one after 25 randomizes
this is what i looking for Ty
void void
lmao
left swift
worn ember
magic river
quasi valley
Why is pepe with small downy beards
magic river
It's modeled after ded
quasi valley
mossy vessel
Is that like the new gen of switches
wispy blade
@worn ember
quasi valley
Implying the switch was ever current gen
magic river
This is Zen 3 + RDNA2 + Steam Controller jammed in to a Switch-like form factor
void void
Implying the switch was ever current gen
lmao true
magic river
Although it is quite a bit larger
wispy blade
it runs arch tho
mossy vessel
Yes kenni it is. It's in almost every house I've visited this year
worn ember
<@!208641151509463051>
Wtf don't ping me -wiz
mossy vessel
Out of my head I know at least 12 people owning one
magic river
I have my switch in its carrying case right next to me, been sitting there since I forgot I had it in my bag for vacation a month ago
mossy vessel
And one of them always took theirs to uni
worn ember
Switch. More like switch to something else
magic river
Like, I took it on vacation, forgot I had it while there, then forgot it was in my bag when I got home
Still hasn't made it back to my TV
worn ember
Nice
worn ember
No personal attacks. I'll have to call PETA
quasi valley
Because you’re an animal?
left swift
Peta what lois Griffin yells
mossy vessel
Because you’re an animal?
Can you lend me $4? https://i.imgur.com/LUxRMYI.png
magic river
I need to cut back on my youtube, reddit, and webserials time so I can actually do some gaming without skipping sleep or work to do so
worn ember
Because you’re an animal?
Cuz squirrel genocide
left swift
Reddit 
magic river
I did play some Ori 2 the other day to test out my 3070
left swift
Real gamers play while doing important things
magic river
That's a game you'd need a 3070 for, right?
quasi valley
lol
worn ember
I go on Reddit once every blue moon and always regret it