general

[warm anchor]

City shower with sock on?

[heady spear]

and when wearing sandals, but men may not wear sandals

[warm anchor]

wtf

[heady spear]

it's also a hate crime

[blissful wing]

our little baby has only worn clothes a few times

[waxen panther]

how dirty is your house what the fuck

[blissful wing]

this was him on halloween at 2 months old

[golden gust]

What about if I wear my adidas trackies below my ass?

[vernal moth]

Oh fuck that's cute

[wispy blade]

adorble

[worn ember]

i have a bunch of dogs lol, it doesnt matter how often you clean its always dirty

[warm anchor]

Ded is your average rtp dev so he lives under a bridge somewhere in seattle

wdym

[heady spear]

that is hot and I approve

sorry for ping

[golden gust]

Party at agentks? Party at agentks.

[heady spear]

why can't you toggle off pinging by default

I hate discord

[heady spear]

99% of the time I don't want to ping when replying

[wispy blade]

@warm anchor worse! he probably lives near Brughes

[worn ember]

thats not very nice

but also true

[heady spear]

did u just call ded american?

[worn ember]

i booted up kali to steal wifi from the surrounding molecules

[blissful wing]

lets see how well this shares

[heady spear]

that is so rude

[warm anchor]

lol

[worn ember]

haha i love it when dogs do that paw thingy

[worn crest]

aww

[blissful wing]

oh here we go

this is the good shit

dont do drugs kids

unless its these

(with sound)

[wispy blade]

#adorable-doggos btw

[heady spear]

did y'all know that cats are females and dogs are males? little known fact.

the cats are the girl animals and the dogs are the boys

[wispy blade]

wtf

did not know cat was actually female

[worn ember]

cat girls

[wispy blade]

electroniccat confirm?

[solid sapphire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEqXNfs_HhY

[blissful wing]

more drugs in #adorable-doggos

also with sound

[wispy blade]

YES

[void void]

92mb?

high quality doggo

[golden gust]

;3

[solid sapphire]

ah yes my pug is awake now

[blissful wing]

lmao

yeah sounds of puppy whimpering never fails to catch any dogs attention

[solid sapphire]

would send a pic or too but my dslr battery is dead

my phone cam is like horrible

[heady spear]

cat ur cute, wanna uwu with ur shoes off?

God, I should get back to work but the coffee just isn't working today. My brain is still asleep.

[solid sapphire]

ah yes

so what you do

is go to your freezer

get soem ice and put it in water

and pour it all over your head.

[wispy blade]

best way to wake up brain ^

[heady spear]

how the fuck would you know?

[wispy blade]

i have my sources

[solid sapphire]

i asked my brain

[heady spear]

don't tell me how to activate my brain until you gets yours to work

[golden gust]

I mean, I'm one of those fun people where caffiene doesn't really work all that much

I can literally down a can of monster and go to bed

[wispy blade]

can't get it to work if you don't have one in the first place B)

[solid sapphire]

sorry i donr have one

[heady spear]

oh 100% same really, I just consume caffeine to offset the withdrawal symptoms

[solid sapphire]

yes

[heady spear]

I've had at least 3 cups a day for the last 8 years

it does nothing for meeeeee

[wispy blade]

i have not had coffee in uh

a year?

[golden gust]

oh god, I really wanna try that dead mans coffee thing

[heady spear]

in high school my sister and I would drink 7-8 cups a day and it wouldn't do shit for us

tastes bomb tho

[wide chasm]

Coffee is gross

[golden gust]

skullcrusher

ur gross

[wide chasm]

Perfect for city

[waxen panther]

shut up stef

[wispy blade]

hi bromc

[solid sapphire]

this is my life: tea for 5 years coffee for 5 tea coffe....

[waxen panther]

as mod coordinator i am unmod-ing stef

[wide chasm]

I'm freeeee

[heady spear]

stef is only mod because he was a codevision mod

think about that

[wide chasm]

Z just really likes me

[waxen panther]

please city, have some respect its c*devision

there are children here

man why is jroy awake

[wispy blade]

tf is codevision

[blissful wing]

lots more drugs in #adorable-doggos

[golden gust]

God, I can't wait to get my own place and shit

[waxen panther]

@cunning raft @cunning raft @cunning raft @cunning raft @cunning raft

[golden gust]

Like, I got my own "studio"

[waxen panther]

move in with me cat xoxoxoxox

[heady spear]

why do you need your own place to shit?

[golden gust]

But, like, a place where I can has a doggo

[blissful wing]

please approve or deny the drugs in #adorable-doggos i need validation

[heady spear]

omfg same cat

first thing I

[solid sapphire]

yes

[heady spear]

will do when I move

[wide chasm]

A programming guild

[solid sapphire]

hah my parents would never let me ahve a dog

[heady spear]

is to get a cute pitbull

or amstaff, not sure

[golden gust]

*A place to bully pim

[wide chasm]

With perfect management and no issues whatsoever

[heady spear]

CV was great

[wide chasm]

Also that

[golden gust]

Guys

Did we just go past a farm?

[wispy blade]

sounds like the one Shell Shockers clan i was in

[golden gust]

I can smell something...

||Think it's bull shit||

[heady spear]

Pim has the worst Swedish dialect of all time

[wispy blade]

cat why are you in my laundry basket

[golden gust]

||smells like strong ass bleach||

[heady spear]

cat u should live under my bed when I move to the UK

u can tickle my feet while I sleep and have many dogs

[wide chasm]

Come join, then you can welcome the new users who will leave the next day with me

[solid sapphire]

cat add a patreon level called "Healp me got a dog"

[heady spear]

wtf is it still like actually alive?

[wide chasm]

It exists

That's it

[heady spear]

I won't have my ugly green supporter role though

not worth it

[wide chasm]

Fair

[golden gust]

Tragic thing about places like CV

[heady spear]

CV was great until Pim developed a train fetish and started pretending to have a girlfriend

his biggest mistake was making DED a mod instead of me

[golden gust]

Fun place to hang out gets "attacked" by an owner who's about as involved as.. .er... my father who went to go get a packet of cigarettes, and then comes in, shuffles shit around to "improve it", and ignores literally all of the people who actually chat there in the quest of "growing"

.clap

[heady spear]

lol that also perfectly describes admincraft

[golden gust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAT15I-QnBY

[blissful wing]

good to see that minecraft drama continues

a decade in

[waxen panther]

we need something to do

[golden gust]

Tell me another community where you can get blocks, AND drama?!

[wide chasm]

I mean, the place was filled with racism too, so that didn't help

[wispy blade]

wouldn't be minecraft drama if it didn't continue for years and years

[heady spear]

CV was boring ass edge lord "humor"

[wide chasm]

N word funny haha

[heady spear]

not so much actual racism as cringy edgy shit just to farm reactions

and then when people were told that they weren't funny, they started a bunch of new communities with only the edge and none of the code

[toxic bone]

what's a cv

[wide chasm]

CV is now only questions about datapacks and command blocks, no idea how that happened

[golden gust]

everybody smart disappeared

'nuff said

[wide chasm]

Okay, but where do these people come from

I'm not even aware of active invites

[void void]

maybe because it shows up in threads like these? https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/minecraft-programming-discord.290724/

[blissful wing]

hey we need more keyboard noises in VC

[solid sapphire]

k

ah fuck mic broken

gimmrr a sec

[blissful wing]

gg

[solid sapphire]

or 6

[ashen cliff]

Sorry bro, watching F1.

[golden gust]

I'd say hello but I've been up for, 14+2+maybe 1 hours

[vernal moth]

I'll be back in like an hour or so, lol

[void void]

not hearing enough typing noises here

that's more like it

[golden gust]

proxi not around when you need her keyboard

[wispy blade]

there's always my keyboard

[waxen panther]

i changed my switches yesterday, they're not loud enough now

[wispy blade]

mine's not even mechanical

[golden gust]

pretty sure proxi just has a typewriter

[wispy blade]

that would be swag though

using a typewriter unironically

[blissful wing]

I'm on my macbook right now because I'm still laying in bed

my keyboards downstairs vary

GF built me a new one for my birthday with silent switches which I really like

[mossy vessel]

My mechanical ones are pretty noisy, but I found the perfect setup to filter it out when using my mic

[golden gust]

I kinda wanted a mechanic but mac compatibles are basically like, I don't wanna throw the cash down and not like it and have to return it and stuff

[blissful wing]

my biggest hesitation all these years is that the macbook pro with the good keyboard

I type 120-150wpm on

[twin lagoon]

zzzzzzzzzz

[blissful wing]

because it's been the same keyboard for over a decade and I've just gotten really good muscle memory for it

[waxen panther]

moved them to my anne pro

[blissful wing]

so no keyboard will practically ever be able to compare to that

[golden gust]

Yea, am kinda the same too, apples keyboards ain't perfect but damn are they good

[twin lagoon]

anne pro based

literally

[golden gust]

no function keys

nope

[swift sentinel]

I just lost my W and command on my MacBook Pro from Minecraft

[twin lagoon]

fn + 1 2 3 4 5etc

[golden gust]

just, no

[waxen panther]

moonlander most based

[blissful wing]

I really hope apple takes the L

and removes touch bar with next gen

[waxen panther]

apple admitting defeat?

[blissful wing]

sure it was a nice idea, and a small subset of users got some cool stuff out of it

hey they have in the past

they took the L with the Mac Pro

[waxen panther]

it's really really nice with Pock, but year for the most part the touchbar sucks

I switched away from my macbook recently and I don't regret it

[blissful wing]

past 4 or 5 months I've swapped to an M1 MBP

and holy shit M1 is god tier

would've loved to wait till the M1X but needed a non-company-owned machine

[vernal moth]

Now imagine when they make a chip that is allowed to actually use power 😅 😂

[blissful wing]

mmmm

[golden gust]

See, part of me really wishes that the bar came to the desktop, but, like, at the same time, it's not that useful to be like, a replacement to the F row

[blissful wing]

I'd sooner rather see the touch bar, or maybe a touch screen, on an iMac

than replace the function keys on the Magic Keyboard

[vernal moth]

Gonna be interesting to see Googles Chip in the new pixel, if that goes well I could see them making designs for chrome books

[blissful wing]

nani?

[golden gust]

See, I get their argument against a touchscreen

[vernal moth]

But then again, last I heard it's just a customized exenos or whatever

[golden gust]

Like, my screens 27", I couldn't see myself using a touch screen all the time

[vernal moth]

Apples laptops not having touch screens is so weird

[blissful wing]

I think peak performance is having an ergonomic mouse, a nice keyboard, and an external Magic Trackpad

[vernal moth]

Then again, they do it because else nobody would buy iPads

[waxen panther]

I thought I'd never want touchscreen on my laptop but my new one came with it and ....

[golden gust]

and literally everybody I know who has a touchscreen laptop,like, they wake up their machine, swipe up on the screen, enter their password in, fire up chrome or whatever, tap the search box, type, maybe swipe down the page or something and then revert to the trackpad

[waxen panther]

idk, its pretty nice

[blissful wing]

because you can get 70% of what you need out of a touchscreen

with the external trackpad

[golden gust]

I've literally yet to see somebody with a touch screen laptop actually use the touchscreen more than like 5 minutes when they open it up, only time I really see it is for those quick interactions when they just wanna do something like pause a video or something

[blissful wing]

I think the gestures are a really big strength of touch-sensitive input

[wispy blade]

i've used my touchscreen laptop to play jubeat 👀

[vernal moth]

I always said I never want a tablet, then I brought whatever google told me is the best Android one, cause I needed something for piano sheets, and now I use it for way more stuff

[blissful wing]

btw anyone in Seattle and/or going to PAX West this weekend?

i'll be in town all week

[vernal moth]

I can't even enter your country 😂

[golden gust]

I mean, a tablet is weird because it's a device you can live without, but, they're so handy and capable these days that with the bigger screen it's like, why not

[plucky sparrow]

touchscreen laptops are kinda dumb

[vernal moth]

My dad is in Maine or whatever right now for work, had to get a official invitation of the state or whatever so he can fly there

[plucky sparrow]

at this point you might wanna get a tablet with a kb instead

[vernal moth]

Tablet doesn't have the software tho

[wispy blade]

windows tablet

[vernal moth]

No joke, my mom has a surface go, tablet with detachable keyboard, it's really nice

[plucky sparrow]

why would you use a touchscreen laptop

[golden gust]

I mean, it depends

[vernal moth]

She demonstrated it for ya

Gestures

[plucky sparrow]

we also better not talk about touchscreen All In Ones

[golden gust]

Like, software is one aspect, what you're doing with it is important too

If you just want a machine for reading, browsing and watching YT, a tablet is probs ideal

if you're actually gonna be productive, tablets aren't there 100% yet

[plucky sparrow]

I dont see any purpose for a touchscreen laptop other than drawing or stuff like that

• you can get the gestures on any trackpad

[vernal moth]

It's just so much easier, idk

Just get one and you will see

[plucky sparrow]

(MacBook gestures are amazing)

[vernal moth]

Touchscreens are cheap anyways

[plucky sparrow]

that's why most pricy laptops dont have them

I see it as a feature that you might use one day

even two

but not more

[vernal moth]

Any decent laptop has a touch screen as addon

Apple refuses to do it because they don't wanna steal market share from the iPad

Which struggles with identity already

[plucky sparrow]

Apple refuses to do it because macOS is not touch-friendly

[waxen panther]

it is now

[plucky sparrow]

not really

they just made stuff slightly bigger

[golden gust]

apples statements are mostly on the ergos

it's gotten much better but there are areas where I'd be iffy on it

[sleek turret]

Anyone remember the name of that thingy they added in discord recently

Where it's a text box like reaction

I mean That thing in exploit report

#869651180698099732

[void void]

buttons?

[sleek turret]

Ooooh

So that's what those are called

Tysm

[vernal moth]

Lol

[royal kernel]

What version of minecraft did Paper start on?

Or first start development on

[limber knot]

before 1.7 to say the least

However it is very hard to get paper for 1.7.10 or before so it might just as well not exist anymore

[royal kernel]

I understand why someone might use 1.8.8, but why at all would someone use 1.7.10?

[void void]

because it was the newest version back then?

[royal kernel]

I was just saying I think its silly to use 1.7.10 now

[quasi valley]

ok

[plucky sparrow]

You don’t get banned for doing nothing wrong

[golden gust]

did nothin wrong

using pirated plugins

[warm anchor]

follow proper appeal method but if this is the guy from #paper-help he was using illegal pirated plugin

[golden gust]

!ban @chrome kraken ban evasion/troll

[thorny flicker]

:raised_hands: Banned ผมชื่อสินทรัพย์#2125 (ban evasion/troll) [1 total infraction] -- electronicboy#8869.

[warm anchor]

[plucky sparrow]

Eraser is lagging a bit

[twin lagoon]

you're lagging a bit

[vernal moth]

ok, back home

time to finish this shit

[void void]

which shit?

the oauth?

[vernal moth]

yeye

[plucky sparrow]

am I

[vernal moth]

ah, seems like I got a code now

remember me for the consent works too

[twin lagoon]

@restive thicket

[restive thicket]

Greetings, Michael! :)

[wispy blade]

tf is that name

[void void]

ban incoming

[warm anchor]

Hahahahaa

[static badge]

you fucking suck jroy jesus christ

[cunning raft]

ok leaf

[waxen panther]

why'd you delete my mods ping smh

[wispy blade]

leaf wanted to get his first ban

[waxen panther]

now the mods will be anger

[warm anchor]

Leaf can you hurry up and merge tumeuwnity

[cunning raft]

you are the mod coordinator

they are already mad at you

[waxen panther]

like any good manager

[wide chasm]

Ghost ping from broccolai smh

[waxen panther]

please direct all hate to at jroy

[wide chasm]

No, it's your fault, you're the mod coordinator

[waxen panther]

yes but jroy is above the mods

and above me

"development" team

[golden gust]

So

You're a bottom?

[waxen panther]

Ye

[wispy blade]

anyone can be above the vegtebal overlord

wtf

more like vegtebal underdog then

[wide chasm]

Sadly you can't put roles below Offline, but if we could we would have

[worn ember]

brocc likes peepeepoopoo

[void void]

who doesn't

[wispy blade]

going to fancy restaurant for dinner today :)

[waxen panther]

i do not

they are disgusting words

😠

[wispy blade]

you know what's also a disgusting word

broccolai

[warm anchor]

https://youtu.be/WEfEOQR-oPo

[wispy blade]

broccoli is good though

[waxen panther]

hahahaha you got me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[wispy blade]

i know i'm hilarious

[waxen panther]

can we get an over 15 years old version of #general

[warm anchor]

Grow up faster then @wispy blade

[wispy blade]

?

[warm anchor]

Wait how old is nioma again

[waxen panther]

9 i think

10 ? maybe

[wispy blade]

10+5

[void void]

eh

close enough

[warm anchor]

Who’s older? Snoopa or nioma

[wispy blade]

also happens to be my favorite length of chess games

[worn ember]

my rubix cube

[warm anchor]

Lol

[twin lagoon]

@waxen panther

[warm anchor]

[waxen panther]

[golden gust]

!ban @wispy blade underage b&

[wispy blade]

wtffff

[vernal moth]

https://streamable.com/ww1m4y

aaayyy

only the prompt shit isnt really working yet

[void void]

nice

[plucky sparrow]

where do you update amd drivers

its not letting me

[worthy walrus]

Omg I switched to paper last night when others told me it was stable!

[solid sapphire]

jk

its stable

[plucky sparrow]

is it though..

[solid sapphire]

:pain:

[worn ember]

what site

[vernal moth]

how have you still not invested into an VPN

[solid sapphire]

idk

[worthy walrus]

Who am I supposed to believe?!

[wispy blade]

literally touch vpn

[vernal moth]

or like, just get some vps and install openvpn

[wispy blade]

free chrome extensions

[plucky sparrow]

it is stable

dw

[worn ember]

imagine using vpns

[vernal moth]

if you got such a fucked gov, you have to DED

[solid sapphire]

about that, i already spend way too much on hosting

[worn ember]

just become the government

[solid sapphire]

yes

[plucky sparrow]

use at your own risk tho

[vernal moth]

if you got a server already, its so easy to setup openvpn

[solid sapphire]

true

last time i tried i spend a day crying

[worthy walrus]

MiniDigger, is it stable or risky?

[worn ember]

bruh its stable

[solid sapphire]

^

[vernal moth]

paper is more stable than spigot

[worthy walrus]

OK thank you

[vernal moth]

we are just more honest

[minor badge]

@solid sapphire Any generic VPS will do with wireguard. I’ve got a 10$/yr server which does me very well :p

[vernal moth]

we cant guarantee anything, but we literally have 100k+ servers using our software daily.

[plucky sparrow]

use contabo

[solid sapphire]

will a tiny 256 mb one do?

[minor badge]

yep

[solid sapphire]

k

[minor badge]

wireguard uses tops 16mib or something

[wispy blade]

all its doing it rerouting network traffic /shrug

[vernal moth]

and a ton of encryption/decryption, lol

[blissful wing]

yeah but that's CPU offloaded

[vernal moth]

sure

still more than just rerouting 😄

[blissful wing]

tbh tho for them to block the site you're accessing

either you're not using a good DNS server

[vernal moth]

its not DNS we tried that already

they do weird shit

[blissful wing]

or they're MITM'ing your DNS and you should enable DNS over HTTPS

[vernal moth]

oh dns over https, thats a good idea

[solid sapphire]

i tried

but never figured it out

[vernal moth]

but didnt we try to access the ip directly and that failed too?

[blissful wing]

lmao

but how did you get the ip?

[solid sapphire]

ye

ez

[golden gust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCf1Pi6tyNA

[solid sapphire]

ping streamable.com

[vernal moth]

I send the ip

[blissful wing]

if he looked it up it'll be the block page

ah ok you sent it

windows mac or linux @solid sapphire ?

[solid sapphire]

linux

[blissful wing]

curl --connect-to 151.101.193.63:443 https://streamable.com/

lmk if that gives you the block page or the real html

[vernal moth]

I think I told them to curl with host header, is that different?

[blissful wing]

yes

connect-to overrides the DNS checks

but keeps hostname SSL validation intact

[solid sapphire]

?

[blissful wing]

ok so they nulled the IP range

nothing you can do

[solid sapphire]

dw bout the folder

[blissful wing]

other than VPN

your ISP just won't transit/return bits to/from that IP address

my personal recommendation is either to host your own if you've got a host you trust

or ProtonVPN

[solid sapphire]

proton is overloaded af bout this time lol

[vernal moth]

interesting, cause thats a fastly IP

[worn ember]

go to the ministery of IT and dab so hard they unban it

[vernal moth]

does fastly give out dedicated IPs to users?

[solid sapphire]

k @worn ember

[blissful wing]

possibly

or they've just banned the entirety of fastly

governments willing to ban IP ranges are pretty heavy-handed

[vernal moth]

151.101.0.0/16 is all fastly

[blissful wing]

oh wait actually

I forgot

TLS SNI

ISP can still see the request is for that website despite TLS

because fastly can route the request to the right certificate

so yeah again only way around that is VPN

[little frost]

is SNI mandatory to be provided?

[worn ember]

you lost me at "i forgot" lol

[vernal moth]

I wish minecraft supported sni

like something like that so a proxy can easily handle stuff

[worn ember]

but you dont run multiple ip's on the same machine for mc tho?

[vernal moth]

thats why you want sni

[worn ember]

why? isnt that what ports are for

[vernal moth]

non standard ports are meh, thats what we have reverse proxies for

[little frost]

doesn't the client provide the hostname in the handshake or is that too late

[vernal moth]

thats how a minecraft proxy does it, ye

but I want to do it much earlier I guess

[little frost]

right

[worn ember]

Always so picky smh

how is that seamless transition thing going?

i forgot the name of the paper

[vernal moth]

dropped it, no time

[little frost]

ouch

[vernal moth]

hangar has prio

[worn ember]

rip

[warm anchor]

Will hanger come up before 1.18

[little frost]

whodve thought putting highly theoretical concepts into practice would be time consuming

[worn ember]

sure, but its also interesting

[vernal moth]

dyescape is trying to implement it actually

[little frost]

very

[vernal moth]

but they dont want to do it open source so zero interest from my side

[little frost]

:(

[worn ember]

will hangar be properly integrated with the forums and stuff? cuz i hate how on sponge its all like separate and even separate subdomains and its really annoying to navigate

[vernal moth]

wdym integrate

its same account, plugin discussion is embedded, thats about it

[worn ember]

one account etc

ok

[vernal moth]

what else would you want?

[worn ember]

not sure hah, i think thats mainly it

on ore it all just feels somewhat disconnected cuz everything is on its own subdomain

[vernal moth]

ok lets see if I can integrate this new shit into hangar

[void void]

what is the latest stable version of paper?

[twin lagoon]

latest

[crisp yew]

Is paper or purpur better

[twin lagoon]

you've already said you're switching to purpur

[crisp yew]

Gotem

[worn ember]

asking in paper general

[vernal moth]

you are on the paper discord, theres only one valid answer here

[warm anchor]

Low level troll is bad

Y’all taking bait lol

[void void]

I have this: 1.17.1-R0.1-SNAPSHOT) (Git: be269d1), but I see that it does not have very good performance

[twin lagoon]

not an official version

and there's quite a lot of factors that matter when looking at performance

[vernal moth]

its #226 michael

[twin lagoon]

if i see someone calling it by the git commit id i'm just reminded of the shit pebblehost does

[void void]

what is the latest stable version of paper????

[twin lagoon]

latest

[crisp yew]

Purpur

[golden gust]

Stop spamming

[twin lagoon]

the latest stablev ersion is whatever is on https://papermc.io/downloads

[golden gust]

look at the downloads page to see what the latest build is

There is no "stable" tag

[vernal moth]

https://i.imgur.com/rBB77cQ.png

[worn ember]

👍

[cunning raft]

LGTM

release now

[warm anchor]

true

Go mini

Better than never!

[untold copper]

day #82of trying to get abs (yesterday): did a 1 hour of cycling
day #83 of trying to get abs (today): did 1 hour of cycling

[warm anchor]

Cycling won’t give you abs

Btw Snoopa

[wispy blade]

gotta do situps bro!

[worn ember]

running to train all muscles

[formal turret]

maybe it was leg day(s)

[marble lark]

isn't Purpur just Tuinity but with custom gameplay features though

neither would be better anyway

[twin lagoon]

it's just tuinity with some bloatware

[marble lark]

yeah

[vernal moth]

if I would be mean I would say purpur is for people that are too lazy to install plugins

or what michael said, thats even meaner

[magic river]

The obvious answer is you should use Tuinity

[twin lagoon]

harsh truth mini

[magic river]

Even mini thinks so, see tuinity merge PR

[marble lark]

It feels like Purpur is Tuinity but someone wanted to change core gameplay elements

[worn ember]

paper think they're merging tuinity but in reality its tuinity merging paper

[marble lark]

not that I'm throwing shade cause that's exactly what I do with my fork of Paper

[marble lark]

I've seen it already

[vernal moth]

holy shit what the actual fuck are my compile times

[marble lark]

oh?

what happened

[vernal moth]

√ Client
Compiled successfully in 1.88m

[marble lark]

jdk dying?

[vernal moth]

yarn

webpack

[waxen panther]

compiled in 1.88 meters

[vernal moth]

whatever shit

[marble lark]

I'm assuming 1.88 minutes lmao

which is... a weird way of putting it

<2min is pretty fast of a compile time for my PC LOL

[red timber]

poorly set up webpack probably

[vernal moth]

I dont touch webpack

[red timber]

oh wait is it uhh

vue

[vernal moth]

its nuxt

[red timber]

even worse

that takes shitton of time smh

[vernal moth]

I think theres a memory leak somewhere

cause it hangs sometimes and I have to restart

[red timber]

yeh

[vernal moth]

why can't everything use esbuild?

[red timber]

iirc there was a thing which wired esbuild into webpack (and thus nuxt) properly

but yea esbuild is wonderful

building node.js stuff into single js file

[wispy blade]

sounds like a dream

[red timber]

look ma no 50gb of node_modules

[red timber]

it's reality

[wispy blade]

50gb of .js instead

[upbeat falcon]

evanw/esbuild: An extremely fast JavaScript bundler and ... - GitHub

https://github.com/evanw/esbuild

The main goal of the esbuild bundler project is to bring about a new era of build tool performance, and create an easy-to-use modern bundler along the way.

Requested by mikroskeem - About 227,000 results (0.33 seconds)

[red timber]

incorrect

[vernal moth]

https://i.imgur.com/6262Kwh.png

[wispy blade]

yeah

hangar2?

[void void]

second attempt at hangar probably

[red timber]

calm down, hangar will go through 3rd iteration before it launches

[golden gust]

weak

[wispy blade]

hangar2_fixed_1.2-FINAL

[vernal moth]

esbuild module is going great mikro 😄

https://i.imgur.com/mup6TGB.png

[red timber]

> du -sh node_modules
96M    node_modules
> yarn build
yarn run v1.22.11
$ esbuild ./src --platform=node --bundle --minify --outfile=dist/index.js --loader:.mustache=text --loader:.css=text

  dist/index.js  269.3kb

✨  Done in 0.14s.
> du -sh dist/index.js
272K    dist/index.js

[marble lark]

if only my web project looked as good as hangar lmaoo

[wispy blade]

css ez

[red timber]

oof, unlucky

[vernal moth]

https://github.com/nuxt/vite

interesting

[marble lark]

inb4 someone unregisters esbuild from npm

C:

[wispy blade]

like left-pad all over again?

[red timber]

"native binaries are forbidden"

though there's wasm build of esbuild

🥴

[vernal moth]

https://i.imgur.com/ZQBxVsk.png

reeeeeeee

literally unsuable

[red timber]

lel

[solid sapphire]

lol

[red timber]

web development in a nutshell

[marble lark]

and then someone registers their malicious module with the same name

[red timber]

but ight i'll get back to my hipster web app stack

[marble lark]

😄

[red timber]

sveltekit, graphql and rust

[vernal moth]

vite is using rollup

and rollup is dum

[red timber]

b r u h

[vernal moth]

https://i.imgur.com/mEO6e9w.png

[marble lark]

I'm confused how does javascript code fail to build

I thought it was like PHP

where it literally doesn't care unless there's a syntax error

(Which was pretty annoying ngl)

[vernal moth]

you compile stuff together

also am using typescript

[marble lark]

oh

[wispy blade]

boutta get a strawberry romanoff 😋

[marble lark]

that explains

[magic river]

That error would happen with regular JS too

Well, not "regular" JS

[marble lark]

hm?

[magic river]

It's a bundler failing to find an import

A bundler lets you write your code like it's meant to run on node (paths and such) and then combines it in to one (or several if you use splitting rules) JS file with all the references fixed up

[red timber]

^

[marble lark]

ah ok

[red timber]

convenience needs sacrifices

[marble lark]

it's actually good that the bundler crashes when that happens

netbeans literally did not care about anything wrong with PHP code at all

unless it broke syntax

[red timber]

but seeing errors during writing code is annoying and kills productivity

amirite

[vernal moth]

no, its a bundler thinking my code is an import 😄

[marble lark]

i thought it increased productivity cause you can fix it before it actually compiles (Or in js's case is sent to a user??)

i dunno if phars are compiled PHP opcode or not so I can't say lmao

[marble lark]

rip

[red timber]

just say it worked on your machine and it's client's fault

grab your payroll and yeet

[marble lark]

LMAO

that's what I'm doing from now on

[void void]

[warm anchor]

Why is there dirt on the plate

[wispy blade]

i think it was crushed pistachio

[waxen panther]

there is no guarantee

[vernal moth]

thats an easy no

its not a snapshot

if you wait for the actual snapshots, you might have a chance

but the experimental snapshots use code that is months old at this point

[plucky sparrow]

I now want pistachio

They’re so pricy tho

[thin hawk]

Is it worth picking up a lambda book, and a Java recent book?

bc at the moment, I'm just using docs, and youtube

[wispy blade]

if you feel like a book is worth it, go for it

[thin hawk]

annoying thing is though, is that through this summer I'm learning Java for MC ofc, however, when I start UNI, my course teaches me Kotlin, C++, and JS. But, ig having some knowledge here will help

[golden gust]

java is kotlin but less shit

but, also less stupid in some areas...

[wispy blade]

cat hates kotlin confirmed

[void void]

[magic river]

kotlin is almost all the expressiveness of groovy but with even better type checking than Java and essentially the same performance as Java

[golden gust]

I love kotlin

I just hate the devs that use it

and it made some oddball decisions

[magic river]

The better type checking is generic variance, btw

[plucky sparrow]

Kotlin looks harder than Java

So I’ll stay away from it at all costs

[golden gust]

for the most part it works the exact same

[nova plume]

im learning kotlin rn and i find it easier lol

[golden gust]

Defo do recommend being experience with java however just so you know the underpinnings

but, I mean, you have to be pretty dumb to do stuff like cause an NPE

(outside of working against API which doesn't define nullability properly)

[plucky sparrow]

Like

what the fuck is “fun”

That does not look fun

[golden gust]

function

[plucky sparrow]

Why not make it say function

Instead of damn “fun”

[golden gust]

less chars

[nova plume]

shorter

[little frost]

why not write "variable"

[golden gust]

Why do you call it args instead of arguments?

[nova plume]

why println instead of System.out.println

[magic river]

Or str

[wispy blade]

or s, if you're me

[vernal moth]

thats literally kotlin in a nutshell

less chars, more confusion

[golden gust]

I mean, you can still use System.out iirc

it's just short hand

[plucky sparrow]

indeed more confusion

[little frost]

kotlin just wants to be a fun language

[nova plume]

oh i havent tried that yet

[plucky sparrow]

It doesn’t look like that though :(

[golden gust]

bearing in mind that a huge part of kotlin is that you don't HAVE to run it in a JVM

[little frost]

until you get to keywords like inline reified

[plucky sparrow]

JDA s;

[little frost]

short fun words are over

[wispy blade]

no, JDA j

[plucky sparrow]

j

jimmy?

jungle?

[red timber]

you have never tried it right?

[plucky sparrow]

no I don’t want to

[red timber]

you're simply looking at few examples and nopeing out

that's how you'll never evolve

[plucky sparrow]

It’s simply not in my priorities list

[void void]

Time to make "Kot" a thing

where everything is just a single character

[solid sapphire]

who misses android live wallpapers

[little frost]

inl rei fun

[wispy blade]

let's go esoteric programming lang

[plucky sparrow]

what android version is that

[solid sapphire]

brainfuck'

[wispy blade]

no

[solid sapphire]

5.1(lolipop)

[twin lagoon]

they still exist

[solid sapphire]

the do?

[twin lagoon]

yes

[solid sapphire]

cant find it on mine

[twin lagoon]

then whatever phone you have removed them

[plucky sparrow]

I was thinking that but 5.1 had a transparent notification bar

[little frost]

one of the things i hate about kotlin is that it still manages to be worse than java by not having, for example, assignments be expressions

[solid sapphire]

well my motorola phone dosent

[plucky sparrow]

I mean the icons are from Android 5 and above

So it cannot be jelly bean

Kit Kat had a gradient notification bar

This is true 5.0

[solid sapphire]

mine is 5.1 by motorola

[twin lagoon]

probably just kitkat 4.4

[magic river]

5.1? 🤢

[twin lagoon]

actually no it'll definitely be 5.0 or 5.1

perhaps custom launcher

[solid sapphire]

ask motorola

[worn crest]

i still have my moto g1

[plucky sparrow]

Yeah it seems like custom launcher

[magic river]

We're on 12 now 😛

[twin lagoon]

12 looks wildly different from 5

i loved the look of 5 when it released and now it looks like shit

[plucky sparrow]

Kit Kat had gradients though

[solid sapphire]

12?
my phone maxes at 7

i downgraded to 5.1

i miss the old times of android

[worn crest]

im on android 11

[plucky sparrow]

Android 6 didn’t add anything new

[wide chasm]

Still on 8

[solid sapphire]

this is ios lol

[twin lagoon]

no ios looks worse

[plucky sparrow]

What no

iOS looks amazing

[twin lagoon]

never said it didn't

it just looks worse

[plucky sparrow]

They’re very different

That’s it

[magic river]

iirc 8 is the big hump

[plucky sparrow]

iOS looks way more professional

[wispy blade]

android 12

[twin lagoon]

ios just hasn't done anything crazy since like 7

[magic river]

Any phone that shipped with 8 or newer should be upgradable to the latest version without too much work, you just lose anything that isn't in AOSP unless you get an official update

[red timber]

4.4.4 had

[wind geyser]

I liked iOS 6 better

Looked so much better imo

[wispy blade]

i remember ios 6 to 7

[plucky sparrow]

Did 4.4.4 change anything over 4.4 in terms of design?

[wispy blade]

also 7 to 8 changing smth about app folders

[red timber]

don't remember tbh

[twin lagoon]

6 to 7 was massive

[bright dock]

What's a good Auction House plugin?

[magic river]

But they're required to be able to run stock AOSP builds and you can upgrade the frameworks and UI separate from the kernel and device support libraries

[twin lagoon]

sure they've made a good amount of UI improvements over the past few iOS versions but like, it's nothing major when you compare 6 to 7

[worn crest]

new EU law could change a lot in 2023. many new requirements for smartphones

[warm anchor]

Where my fellow iOS enjoyer?

[solid sapphire]

ios ew

apple ew

humans ew

[wispy blade]

apple good, they tasty

[twin lagoon]

i wouldn't mind jailbroken ios

[void void]

ios very pog

[full rune]

apple hardware is fine, but it's too overpriced for what it is imo

[twin lagoon]

then again, apple makes horrible looking phones

how the fuck have they not fixed the notch yet after years

[plucky sparrow]

iOS good

[solid sapphire]

i still cant figure out how t o root this phone

[golden gust]

Is there an untethered jailbreak yet?

[plucky sparrow]

Excuse me the notch is amazing

[magic river]

fixed the notch how?

[golden gust]

Like, last I knew they where still stuck with tethered

[worn crest]

who needs 6 years or like that updates every 2-4 years a new one

[twin lagoon]

by getting rid of it

[warm anchor]

Take away selfie camera

[plucky sparrow]

Explain to us how would that work Michael

Does it involve getting rid of Face ID

[magic river]

They'd have to make the screen smaller for that

[warm anchor]

Get rid of faceID is fine too

[red timber]

fuck face id bring back fingerprint reader

[plucky sparrow]

No Face ID is amazing

[warm anchor]

Unlock with Apple watch

[magic river]

Instead of a notch you'd just have a bar across the top again

[twin lagoon]

under screen cameras are slowly becoming a thing, under screen fingerprint readers are a thing

[red timber]

that's why se 2020 is epic

[twin lagoon]

you can get near bezelless phones even with a camera at the front

[plucky sparrow]

The notch doesn’t just feature a camera though

[twin lagoon]

my point still remains

[magic river]

IR camera and lights

[warm anchor]

Get rid of port too

Apple will do it

[plucky sparrow]

Id only accept Touch ID if it’s on the side of the phone

[red timber]

on the side, wym?

[twin lagoon]

power button

[red timber]

back side?

[plucky sparrow]

^^

[red timber]

i c

[solid sapphire]

why does fastboot flashing unlock not work

[warm anchor]

Unlock your phone with Apple Watch raise to wake feature 😉

[twin lagoon]

i like the location of it on my pixel 5, just on the back of it

[solid sapphire]

not even fastboot oem unlock

[magic river]

Whoa, Android 12 makes ART one of the thing you can upgrade via Play Store

[plucky sparrow]

That’s outdated

[magic river]

No one puts the fingerprint reader on the back

[plucky sparrow]

I haven’t seen a lot of phones with a fingerprint reader on the back

Nowadays ofc

[magic river]

It's either under screen or on the power button

[twin lagoon]

it's definitely a bit unusual

only LG & google has done it iirc

under screen would've been dope

[solid sapphire]

hah my sungsang one has on back

[plucky sparrow]

Under screen usually causes issues

[twin lagoon]

oh right and some of the samsung ones

but samsung has switched to under display ones too now iirc?

[magic river]

On the back means you can't do it when the phone is sitting on the table

[twin lagoon]

who cares just pick up your phone

[wispy blade]

yea my s20 has under display

[plucky sparrow]

Under display eh

[wispy blade]

i did like my old phone though, was in like the exact right spot

[plucky sparrow]

Last time I tried it out it only worked with few screen protectors

[solid sapphire]

sorry ehat its in my stomach how do i do that

[magic river]

under display is just a camera 😄

[twin lagoon]

screen protectors

[solid sapphire]

i remember the time in school i picked up a thicc stick from the ground and ate it

[wispy blade]

needing a screen protector

[plucky sparrow]

who doesn’t use a damn screen protector

[solid sapphire]

for some reason at that time i was insane

[solid sapphire]

me

[wispy blade]

i still have not bought a phone case 2 months in

[plucky sparrow]

how

[twin lagoon]

phone cases i get

[solid sapphire]

same, except 2 yrs

[twin lagoon]

screen protectors i don't get

[plucky sparrow]

I wouldn’t do that to my iPhone

[solid sapphire]

lol

androids cheap

[plucky sparrow]

I like to keep my phones looking like brand new

[full rune]

just don't throw it on the ground

[mental meadow]

I have my phone in my purse together with keys and stuff so I use a screen protector

[twin lagoon]

that i can also understand because some company made the questionable choice to make the backside of the phone fucking glass

[solid sapphire]

i could buy 5 m31's for the price of one ipcone 12

[twin lagoon]

[magic river]

Every company does that

[twin lagoon]

yes because everyone follows apple aaaaaaa

[magic river]

If you want wireless charging the back of the phone has to be plastic or glass and people associate plastic with cheap

[mental meadow]

I think my back is ceramic? which is kinda cool

[solid sapphire]

👀

[plucky sparrow]

I mean it makes the phone feel more premium

[solid sapphire]

which fone has ceramic

[magic river]

Ok, yeah, ceramic works too but that's just glass 😛

[twin lagoon]

more premium & more prone to breaking

[mental meadow]

s10+

[magic river]

My Essential Phone had a ceramic back

[twin lagoon]

and will eventually need to be covered up with a phone case anyway so there goes your premium

[solid sapphire]

niace

[mental meadow]

I have a phone case anyway lol

[plucky sparrow]

Also why are iPhones so heavy

[solid sapphire]

i sometimes took my phone out in a pinch w/o a back cover

flashback time i lost my sim

[mental meadow]

I'm not gonna spend a ton of money I don't have because I'm clumsy af and drop it

[solid sapphire]

and i only realise i left it at home once im 360 km away.

gn

[golden gust]

comparing a non flagships price to the price of a flagship

forgetting that an iphone is supported at least 2x longer than the android device is

I mean, it's literally a moronic comparison

"the non mainline device is cheaper than the flashy device!!!!!!!! wtf!!!!"

[red timber]

lol

it's just paper general hours my dude

nothing new

[magic river]

Is it still true that the cheap iPhone is faster than flagship Android phones?

[plucky sparrow]

If it has A14 Bionic then yes

[magic river]

I know it was true for a year or two there at least

[red timber]

my se 2020 is still snappy as shit

[novel horizon]

What's "faster"

[plucky sparrow]

The A14 Bionic is still the fastest

[red timber]

friend's samsung has gone through few factory resets because it shits itself after some time

[magic river]

I think the Cortex X1 being added to phones might have put the Android flagships back above the iPhone SE

[red timber]

just goes slower day after day

[plucky sparrow]

That’s Samsung for you

OneUI is the worst thing in the world

[little frost]

and it's still true that apple flagships (especially the se though ig that's not "flagship") have the smallest batteries on the market even compared to non-mainline devices

[plucky sparrow]

It’s buggy, slow, ugly, boring

[plucky sparrow]

Yet they still win all battery comparisons

[magic river]

iPhone SE has an A13 in it

[plucky sparrow]

iPhones do not need as much battery as android phones

[magic river]

So I think the X1 puts the flagships on top, just barely

[plucky sparrow]

The only way android phones win in speed comparisons is antutu

[twin lagoon]

speed comparisons / benchmarks are pretty stupid ngl

[plucky sparrow]

And antutu has been proven to not be good for comparisons

[twin lagoon]

the only comparisons i'd accept is the battery life tests

[magic river]

The 888 doesn't beat the A13 that's in an iPhone 11 Pro but iirc the SE version is slower than that

[twin lagoon]

and iphones do pretty well in there with the custom soc & os

[plucky sparrow]

Since the tests done on each OS are different

[magic river]

I mean, it wins on multithreaded benchmarks but for single thread it's a bit lower

[plucky sparrow]

The SD888 does not beat the A13 Bionic?

[magic river]

I thought the SE was slower than the 11 Pro though

[plucky sparrow]

dam

[wispy blade]

why does paper general end up discussing phones at least once every week?

[magic river]

SD888 is 10% slower than the A13 on GB5 single threaded, at least when you use the iPhone 11 Pro

It's quite a bit faster on multithreaded though

[plucky sparrow]

Aw

[vestal jasper]

Ah yes that's what I want in a phone. Speed.

[magic river]

The SD888 also lost to the SE on GFXBench Aztec Ruins, just barely

[vestal jasper]

I don't think I've ever ran into a situation where the performance of my phone actually mattered to any extent

[plucky sparrow]

Sometimes it’s nice having a speedy phone

Games for example

[untold meadow]

.xray

bot

[wispy blade]

korobi dead

[magic river]

I think that bot died but it should be pinned in #paper-help

[vestal jasper]

Bot ded

[plucky sparrow]

rip korobi

[untold meadow]

rip bot

[twin lagoon]

@untold meadow @untold meadow @untold meadow @untold meadow @untold meadow @untold meadow @untold meadow @untold meadow @untold meadow @untold meadow

[onyx jay]

anyone know a good resource to get started with paper?
don't really know where to start

with the actual coding stuff, i already have the config files

[untold meadow]

@twin lagoon @twin lagoon @twin lagoon @twin lagoon @twin lagoon @twin lagoon @twin lagoon @twin lagoon @twin lagoon @twin lagoon @twin lagoon @twin lagoon @twin lagoon @twin lagoon @twin lagoon

[twin lagoon]

BEST kezz

[untold meadow]

no u

you are the best kezz

[plucky sparrow]

that’s some cute isabelle emoji

[vestal jasper]

Same as spigot, just with a different dependency

[twin lagoon]

[onyx jay]

oh so you just code with spigot basically?

[untold meadow]

[vestal jasper]

Paper's API is additive to spigot's

[twin lagoon]

[plucky sparrow]

is a bell e

[onyx jay]

gotcha, thanks for the info

[worn ember]

Well it's all java

[limber knot]

You can't make paper plugins without linking into spigot though

[onyx jay]

yes, i was just confused about the api stuff

[wispy blade]

paper people always happy to help, especially @ashen cliff

[ashen cliff]

[worn ember]

If you use intellij there's the mcdev plugin which let's you easily create paper plugins

It sets up the project for you

[onyx jay]

imma check it out

thanks

[waxen panther]

@untold meadow xoxooxoxox

[untold meadow]

why on holiday

gonna miss u :'(

[waxen panther]

moving house

barely a holiday tbh

two 6 hour drives 😩

[untold meadow]

yoo!!!!

[twin lagoon]

kori mansion

[untold meadow]

i hope you have a good move!!

[waxen panther]

but then I will be able to use the naughty words on teamspeak 😈

[untold meadow]

like.... damn ???

[waxen panther]

maybe even h*ck

[warm anchor]

brocco mom won’t command on his gaming addiction no more

[untold meadow]

omg

[waxen panther]

TRUE

[warm anchor]

stop gaming brocco looks at his IJ screen

[waxen panther]

back to the 6pm to 11am sleep grindset

[warm anchor]

[pallid raptor]

Oh nice I think one of my plugins added an /workbench command

Pretty neat

[turbid oar]

Use Oraxen

its dope

[tropic flame]

what is up with websites and having trash registration systems?

does no one test for bugs anymore?

registers on website
figures the name I picked sucks, luckily the page right after offers a "cancel registration" button
uses button, tries to register again
"email already being used"
sends password recovery request
"we will send an email for password recovery if there's an account with said email"
no email received

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

i have neither an account activation nor a password recovery email

holy shit

oh great, cancelled registrations are only deleted every 24 hours

thanks, website

[pallid raptor]

Lmao

[plucky sparrow]

I mean

Doesn’t the website allow you to change your name

After you’ve registered

[pallid raptor]

Probably not

Sites have terrible registration pages nower days

[tropic flame]

probably, if i could even activate the account first

anyways i just made other account with the very old trick of putting a dot in your Gmail address