what is "lombok"
#general
frank otter
wispy blade
@Getter @Setter
blissful wing
@frank otter it's a compiler plugin that adds extra features to java's syntax effectively
frank otter
so it's non standard
vernal moth
its a compiler hack
wispy blade
kash why do you have so many kekws
blissful wing
christ
vernal moth
@twin lagoon flexing his collection
wispy blade
also michael wtf
tribal flicker
so many
twin lagoon
i have more
void void
how are you doing it so fast lol
wispy blade
holding shift
twin lagoon
shift + click in the reaction menu
cosmic raft
using the emoji menu
wispy blade
yall know runescape.wav?
blissful wing
TIL
tribal flicker
omg what
frank otter
its a compiler hack
so does it like change xyz.some = thing to xyz.some.set(thing)?
tribal flicker
Didn't know you could do that
twin lagoon
you can do +:emote_name: iirc
void void
shift + click in the reaction menu
TIL you can do that
blissful wing
nah @frank otter
blissful wing
let me find something for you
cosmic raft
no
blissful wing
@frank otter https://projectlombok.org/features/Data
look at the two code snippets in there
cosmic raft
lombok is literally hacks upon hacks
twin lagoon
ur a hack
blissful wing
they generate the same actual API and bytecode
vernal moth
kotlin is an actual compiler
blissful wing
all of the getters, setters, toString, equals, hashCode
twin lagoon
and it's slow
blissful wing
gets generated by the compiler
cosmic raft
the point is lazy developers
blissful wing
I mean look at those two files
in theory it makes it obvious what the file is doing
blissful wing
do you know for sure that a getter is actually just return value;?
or maybe it's doing some logic?
frank otter
lombok seems to just auto generate return value for getters
blissful wing
correct
blissful wing
nah you're right
but like lets say I want to add a custom method that does something weird with the return value
frank otter
are getters and setters normally used or can you not just directly access the variable in question
coarse lily
the point is lazy developers
Booo lazy developers.
blissful wing
if it's buried upon lots of "boilerplate" getters, it's not as obvious
well-designed object oriented code doesn't allow direct access to the variable @frank otter
twin lagoon
@coarse lily 
coarse lily
Hey Michael :)
blissful wing
typically you hide the variables from the outside world so that if one day you decide to change the implementation, it doesn't break stuff
if you give other code direct access to your vars then now you can never change those vars
without risking breakage
solid sapphire
haelp my grandmas phone died
blissful wing
buy a new grandma
twin lagoon
frank otter
But surely if you let lombuk generate setters when you remove a variable it'll remove the setter thus breaking more stuff as well
cosmic raft
buy a new grandma
blissful wing
yep, and that's when you start writing actual code rather than boilerplate-generators
haughty bear
weird question but is there some technical german minecraft community, like for plugin dev? I'm trying to learn German and I'd love to be able to talk in an area I'm somewhat knowledgeable about
blissful wing
lombok doesn't prevent breakages down the line, that's what a developer's job is ๐
hiding the vars is just a general well-designed OOP practice
not a lombok thing
wispy blade
oh no
solid sapphire
now am i supposed to teach her to use a new phone
blissful wing
solid sapphire
she is still using a nokia flip phone lol
frank otter
does amazon have a RESTful buy a new grandma api
vernal moth
blissful wing
i'm sure we can automate this problem
vernal moth
am such a JS pro
haughty bear
mini you are german right?
vernal moth
ye
blissful wing
@vernal moth oauth?
haughty bear
weird question but is there some technical german minecraft community, like for ...
would you know anything for this?
solid sapphire
BREAKING NEWS!
vernal moth
which is why I am not operation at full capacity today
I had wwaaayyyy too much beer yesterday
solid sapphire
MINI said 'ye', this is a once in a lifetime occurance!
vernal moth
<@!134340832093405184> oauth?
yep, implementing oauth/oidc for papers authentication system
blissful wing
was disgusting
vernal moth
so am not actually handling crypto and the worst stuff about oauth
cause I dont trust myself doing that nicely
golden gust
My stance is that my ide can easily generate getters/setters, pretty sure there is even a plugin for builders, rather that relying on a hack which breaks every java release almost
blissful wing
it's just "plug in the right vars in the right place"
hell I even implemented Dynamic Client Registration (rfc7591)
haughty bear
I'm not knowledgeable enough in german to be able to hold much of a conversation but I'm hoping that topics like plugin dev would let me become more confident in it
blissful wing
and Device Flow (rfc8628)
vernal moth
do I hear somebody volunteering to audit of my shit? ๐
golden gust
There's communities around every language
blissful wing
sure @vernal moth
haughty bear
yea, it's just that I have no clue where to even look for a community in another lang ๐
golden gust
Many countries are gonna be kinda weird around the eu as English is often taught heavily
solid sapphire
do I hear somebody volunteering to audit of my shit? ๐
me?
golden gust
No, Mr Walmart man
blissful wing
aren't you shopping for a new grandma or something
vernal moth
am literally more fluent in english than german sometimes
blissful wing
also hey electroniccat uh....can i bother you for a sec lmao
i'm locked out of spigot TFA and don't know who to pester
XD
golden gust
Wasn't me
blissful wing
sadge
golden gust
Errrm, there is an email in the rules page or something
golden gust
MD is the only one that can do that
void void
blissful wing
yeah I figured that might be the case
haughty bear
Many countries are gonna be kinda weird around the eu as English is often taught...
should still be communities predominantly in other languages though no?
golden gust
Yes, but wider community is English so many dual language communities generally fall into the wider ones
Much easier to find a Chinese MC community than a German one
coarse lily
Especially dev stuff.
haughty bear
sucks for me then
vernal moth
but agent, the question is, do you really want to regain access to your spigot account? ๐
I have been clean for over a year now!
coarse lily
"Clean"?
cosmic raft
but agent, the question is, do you really want to regain access to your spigot a...
I was gonna ask this too :p
worn crest
Much easier to find a Chinese MC community than a German one
whut 
at most i find english ones, then german and I have three discords or more with a dutch dev
vernal moth
clean of the drug that is the spigot forums
pretty sure theres a big german community
but like, I go out of my way to avoid that ๐
I think I am in one single german dev related discord, and thats dead
coarse lily
Mini hates his own kind!
haughty bear
do you have any suggestions for german speaking communities then?
coarse lily
One of the best developers I know is German.
solid sapphire
0 of the people i know exist.
worn crest
One of the best developers I know is German.
mini, kenny or faulty
solid sapphire
cause idk anyone 
coarse lily
mini, kenny or faulty <:thonk:463842968097521675>
Kenny is too much man for me.
blissful wing
cool i have sent an email thanks electroniccat
vernal moth
if you lucky you gonna get a reply right away, md was active earlier
blissful wing
eh it's not time-sensitive
coarse lily
He was medium quick when my account was, uh, troubled.
blissful wing
I only noticed I didn't have my 2fa when I went to buy that anticheat plugin that people were talking about
lol
blissful wing
inb4 md just replies "fuck off" to my email
think the last time I talked to him was minecon anaheim XD
unreal pier
Tuinity merging hype 
twin lagoon
@static badge hurry up
coarse lily
think the last time I talked to him was minecon anaheim XD
I'm like 40% sure we met then, too.
Wait, not Anaheim, Florida. Fuck.
unreal pier
<@!273258543132442624> hurry up
Leaf is waiting review I believe? https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/pull/6413
coarse lily
Cities are dumb.
twin lagoon
zzzzzzzz furry
blissful wing
I was at both Orlando and Anaheim
coarse lily
Yeah I think we met in Orlando.
blissful wing
Running a Server Community panel
coarse lily
32049230984098 years ago
unreal pier
So what influenced the merge of Tuinity and Paper now?
coarse lily
I was . . . old then too.
cosmic raft
god i was young
how old are you now, anyhow?
coarse lily
So what influenced the merge of Tuinity and Paper now?
Someone snuck Leaf snacks.
coarse lily
Haha
blissful wing
well past my prime
golden gust
smelly too
unreal pier
How big is the core and maintainer teams?
blissful wing
can't remember the last time i was awake more than 30 hours
coarse lily
Hmm me either.
solid sapphire
i was awake for like 2 days or something like that last week
coarse lily
25 was forever ago for me, though.
golden gust
only 2 years for me
coarse lily
I mean if I could rewind back to 25 I could do a lot.
amber karma
agent, are the new servers there ๐
golden gust
Not too long ago I was smashing down cans of monster trying to get an assignment in
unreal pier
Thank ๐
coarse lily
Not too long ago I was smashing down cans of monster trying to get an assignment...
. . . yesterday?
blissful wing
hm @amber karma ?
unreal pier
So when groups are asked for review on issues such as this tuinity merger, how does that work?
solid sapphire
Waiit
haughty bear
but like, I go out of my way to avoid that ๐
why do you say you avoid them purposefully? are the german communities not very good?
blissful wing
you mean the AMD ones for hypixel MC?
solid sapphire
kash owner of this server?
unreal pier
Like do all members of the group submit their review for it to count or is it just one rep
cosmic raft
kash owner of this server?
yes; and many others :p
blissful wing
am discord owner pls give admin 4 review
amber karma
hm <@!497050126703919104> ?
thought you would switch to new ones this month
coarse lily
kash is owner of my guilds and many hearts.
void void
am discord owner pls give admin 4 review
looks legit
blissful wing
am not involved too much with the hypixel MC guys nowadays
they've got some cool stuff going on though
(also hi guys who have pings on ๐ )
vernal moth
man, I wish I could have went to some minecraft convention back in the days
blissful wing
I'm sure we'll do another big one once covid calms down
vernal moth
but back when they were a thing, I had a) no money and b) no self esteem and shit, lol
cosmic raft
am not involved too much with the hypixel MC guys nowadays
is mastercontrol dead yet
:(
blissful wing
last I heard, no
coarse lily
man, I wish I could have went to some minecraft convention back in the days
Mini I'll find some old photos and Photoshop you in.
blissful wing
it's being slowly dismantled tho ๐
cosmic raft
coarse lily
Really Universal Studios was the best part of Minecon Orlando.
blissful wing
the long process of microservicing a monolith xD
coarse lily
But I'm old and grumpy.
blissful wing
dude universal was great
vernal moth
preeeetty sure its still a thing I talked to simon about it somewhere
coarse lily
dude universal was great
It was so good.
mental meadow
hey K
coarse lily
I drank like 40 cups of that Harry Potter drink.
blissful wing
hung with the shotbow and octc guys the whole evening
we accidentally peer pressured mrapple into riding his first roller coaster
re-rode the rides over and over because park was basically empty
good times
coarse lily
Jesus I forgot octc existed.
haughty bear
also what are the languages of these types of communities, like minecraft? is it like, the english speaking homogenise into one, and things like asian/chinese separate?
blissful wing
lmao
solid sapphire
adbd cannot run as root in production builds
fuck my phone
blissful wing
hey @mental meadow
mental meadow
gg
blissful wing
glhf
mental meadow
how do you forget that
vernal moth
stupid project got me not pay attention to time, I havent even showered
blissful wing
it's fine you're already a disappointment
there's not much you can do to make that worse
mental meadow
ouch
cosmic raft
I'm glad you haven't changed agent
worn crest
I am supposed to be at my parents in 12 minutes
timing is important
vernal moth
same as yesterday, talking to agent and working on this meant I was there like an hour later than I wanted to, lol
cosmic raft
still awake at crazy times
blissful wing
โค๏ธ
cosmic raft
remember the good old times?
unreal pier
Does paper have a roadmap/trello thingo?
cosmic raft
Twitter
blissful wing
always
mental meadow
Does paper have a roadmap/trello thingo?
Roadmap:
fix bugs
accept PRs
update to next version
repeat
blissful wing
yeah I'm watching the sky slowly get brighter
unreal pier
Roadmap:
fix bugs
accept PRs
update to next version
repeat
Hmm solid 
golden gust
I mean, I still live by the crazy hours, I just don't drown in monster trying to stay awake for an assignment
unreal pier
Very hyped for hangar 
twin lagoon
does anyone like tootsie rolls
blissful wing
yes
golden gust
This is a project we work on in our free time, we don't really set solid plans for delivery, etc; not viable, and we're not even gonna pretend it is
blissful wing
family reunion
coarse lily
I mean.
void void
what is a tootsie roll
blissful wing
OOF
coarse lily
How much time do you have?
unreal pier
This is a project we work on in our free time, we don't really set solid plans f...
Oh yeah that's more than fair and I am more than certain in saying we're forever grateful
unreal pier
Tysm for the pog work y'all do ^-^
coarse lily
Michael's therapy corner.
twin lagoon
i have gotten myself a box of american candy and i'm just going through it all
coarse lily
Michael please dust off the couch.
What have you found that you like?
I'll send you good candy.
(The good candy is me.)
blissful wing
omg did you try to blow a bubble
twin lagoon
going through chewy lemonheads right now, pretty much just jellybeans ngl
coarse lily
If you're in Georgia ever, I guess.
blissful wing
with taffy
nimble depot
The world would be such a better place if people documented their work correctly (bad docs is worse than no docs)
twin lagoon
omg did you try to blow a bubble
i don't even know how to blow a bubble with bubblegum
coarse lily
Michael I'm gonna make a list of candy you should try.
twin lagoon
tbh for 20 eur i've got a pretty good assortiment
blissful wing
you should learn
coarse lily
I'll send you a box if you want.
blissful wing
tongue dexterity is important
nimble depot
The world would be such a better place if people documented their work correctly...
Plugin is made for 1.12 but the documentation says 1.8. Basically I can disregard it since it's full of mistakes
coarse lily
There's a store here that's like ENTIRELY fucking candy.
It's ridiculous. But also pretty great if you're looking for some weird thing.
twin lagoon
swedish fish, twizzlers, gobstoppers, jaw busters, jelly belly, nerds, kool-aid, jolly ranchers, cry baby, mike and ikes, airheads, warhead cubes
blissful wing
candy stores are crazy here
coarse lily
I remember Mike and Ikes
twin lagoon
oh right and the chewy lemonheads i'm consuming right now
coarse lily
I'd have to put on shoes and leave and stuff.
blissful wing
this just speaks to a lack of preparedness
why do you not have candy in stock at home already?
smh
wispy blade
tfw code doesnt work for only the first iteration
blissful wing
< not <=?
marble lark
y'all know what causes the mob spinning pathing bug in the vanilla game whenever mobs walk on rails
or seagrass for that matter
blissful wing
no but now i'm curious
is there a simple debug flag anywhere we can put that dumps realtime pathing?
marble lark
I'm almost confident it's a navmesh issue but I can't exactly pinpoint where
marble lark
is there a simple debug flag anywhere we can put that dumps realtime pathing?
not that I know of
been trying to add a pathfinding fix PR to Paper for a while now but I have no clue where to start
marble lark
what
mental meadow
I need to actually find the strength to go through stuff at one point
marble lark
oh lord
mental meadow
the last few weeks have been a mixture of "body says no, mind says yes" and "mind says no, body says yes"
marble lark
i feel like i did a good thing by deleting my old PR instead of updating it to the new mappings now
lmao
mental meadow
If anyone is bored we always appreciate people reviewing PRs ๐
marble lark
If anyone is bored we always appreciate people reviewing PRs ๐
I'd love to but I can't deal with patch files lel
mental meadow
the last few weeks have been a mixture of "body says no, mind says yes" and "min...
I just realized, I'm becoming cat. Oh no
blissful wing
how does one review .patch PRs?
like is there a workflow to be able to get that into a diff of the actual java files
or do you just apply the .patch locally and then review the local changes/
marble lark
I just realized, I'm becoming cat. Oh no
how would you even tell
golden gust
Or, git git and learn to read patch files ๐
marble lark
git git
golden gust
*git good
blissful wing
oh I know how to read patch files
mental meadow
I mean you can either try to look at the patch and find obvious errors or you clone, patch locally and then look at it
marble lark
Paper's codebase sometimes feels like inception not gonna lie
golden gust
I have doubts that there are too many code-bases which realy on patch files
marble lark
patch files containing patch files containing patches
golden gust
inb4 I just make a bot which merges all PRs and applies them into a private repo
mental meadow
I vote that we just close every open PR when we update to 1.18 and if people still want it they should make a new one
marble lark
inb4 I just make a bot which merges all PRs and applies them into a private repo
rip that repo
golden gust
blissful wing
honestly that wouldn't be the worst idea
marble lark
not a bad idea to be honest
golden gust
I mean, only real idea I got in regards to that
blissful wing
just Paper-PR-<id-of-pr> as repo name
ashen cliff
Daily reminder to merge 5029.
marble lark
just Paper-PR-<id-of-pr> as repo name
wait a minute where have I heard your name before
i just realised your name sounds familiar
void void
probably Hypix el
golden gust
He's a wallmart greeter
mental meadow
Daily reminder to merge 5029.
cant :c
blissful wing
also i founded hypixel minecraft server
but mostly walmart
that's where i'm really famous
mental meadow
walmart > hypixel
golden gust
mental meadow
caaaaaaaaaaaaat no
coarse lily
We should all aspire to work at Walmart.
marble lark
god I feel stupid now
blissful wing
oh is MC pulling in Zstandard?
blissful wing
nah u fine
golden gust
Atm, no
marble lark
ah
marble lark
won't question further then
golden gust
But, they seemed interested in it, just, "somewhere down the pipeline" type deal
blissful wing
I mean the great thing about is that it's literally just a drop-in replacement for zlib
and the bindings have ports in virtually every language
golden gust
We wanted to agree with them on magic numbers so we don't gotta fuck around with people breaking their worlds when the time comes
ashen cliff
So, Soonโข๏ธ aka. way after I quit MC.
blissful wing
nobody "quits" MC
marble lark
is the "they" some mojang guy
golden gust
somebody on the dev team
mental meadow
the mojang man
quasi valley
it's Mr. Mojang
limber knotBOT
Mr mojang?
ashen cliff
nobody "quits" MC
Oh I know, my definition of that is eternal sleep.
golden gust
Swapping compression algo is trivial but, like, then they gotta dedidcate time to it and like, welcome to literally any company
mental meadow
Once I pass on from that world and minecraft, I will finally be free
blissful wing
or the compression level?
golden gust
compression type
blissful wing
iirc zstd encodes that into the compressed data
golden gust
The magical byte which indicates the algo in use
mental meadow
Miniii you're late
vernal moth
Am 12 minutes late and foot isn't done yet, I call that on time!
Foot
Yes
We eating foot
Deal with it
mental meadow
wouldn't surprise me
cosmic raft
quasi valley
Oh no, we learn a new kink from mini every week
golden gust
I mean, I say what as in 1.18 I'm probs going to remove our oversized chunk reading logic, so, am not to sure if it's an issue if we use a stupidly high magic value and pray that they don't fucking dice-roll their number selection
I really just wanted to agree with them on that so we don't have to maintain that shit for years to come
marble lark
no but now i'm curious
The only thing I managed to find out about Mojang's navigation system is the algorithm they use for mobs btw
https://www.gdcvault.com/play/1025320/Hierarchical-Dynamic-Pathfinding-for-Large
mental meadow
We eating foot
that reminds me of a video oh no
golden gust
stallman?
wispy blade
vtubers 
golden gust
She is into feet
mental meadow
blissful wing
so since I know you guys enjoy pain
(you are maintaining paper after all)
why not have a discord channel per PR?
mental meadow
ah yes
cosmic raft
sure
wispy blade
threads.
cosmic raft
and you can moderate them
mental meadow
who made that fucking ticketing system
cosmic raft
thanks for volunteering
blissful wing
โค๏ธ
nothing but free time on my hands
and the blood of innocents
but yeah mostly free time
ashen cliff
Imagine all of them lighting up at once with some random Russian Steam link.
blissful wing
lmao
golden gust
thank god that discord is pro defenders of their realms that bots can't get away with spamming the same URLs for weeks on end
wooo
mental meadow
our wise discord overlords
marble lark
who made that fucking ticketing system
what
blissful wing
discord is the best social media platform and i for one trust our overlords
mental meadow
๐
cosmic raft
discord is the best social media platform and i for one trust our overlords
too bad discord did a horrendous job implementing threads
slack threads are love
blissful wing
nah I don't actually mind discord too much, I'm sure it's hell on both ends
and it's better than the alternatives for 90% of use cases
warm anchor
Letโs go back to mumble
mental meadow
cringe
wispy blade
discord.py resignation letter
warm anchor
I was under the impression we have IRC bridge here just for one sole user and itโs Pheonix616
golden gust
I just wish they'd do more, and have a better API ๐ฆ
mental meadow
@warm anchor good morning!!!!!!!! 
quasi valley
there's also the old man, robo
warm anchor
Good morning aurora
wispy blade
I just wish they'd do more, and have a better API ๐ฆ
discord quite literally doesn't care
limber knotBOT
i also lost my +v over here
:'(
see that would be sad if anyone actually understood IRC
what does +v do lol
I got no idea how kash has the flags and stuff setup in here so I ain't gonna touch his things
wispy blade
voiced
mental meadow
I just know that I have +o because thats for the cool people
limber knotBOT
Users with a plus sign (+) next to their nickname are voiced users. That
means that they are allowed to speak when the channel mode +m is set. +m
sets moderated mode which means that regular users may not speak.
ah okay
void void
oh whoops
blissful wing
yeah but nobody cares about that shit
limber knotBOT
where are my irc privileges
quasi valley
No roles for furries
limber knotBOT
i am not a furry
blissful wing
mental meadow
but kenny why do you have o then
limber knotBOT
???????
ashen cliff
think
twin lagoon
your telegram avatar
blissful wing
i don't i'm literally just bandwagoning because @quasi valley said so
ashen cliff
We know brother.
limber knotBOT
:(
warm anchor
Itโs ok leaf
wispy blade
lol he's getting mad
warm anchor
Furry got special power
mental meadow
I think I actually read warrior cats when I was like 13 or smth
void void
your telegram avatar
undeniable evidence
vernal moth
Oh apeprently it's CSD today in cologne
limber knotBOT
pog
vernal moth
A rainbow unicorn just walked by
vernal moth
I did?
limber knotBOT
and then my bouncer reset and it dropped it
How does an imaginary character get voiced
vernal moth
That would mean I would know how to do that
limber knotBOT
i mean
you didn't
that's why it didn't stick.
XD
AgentK: well, now you have voice in #paper, #paper-dev, #paper-help, #waterfall, #waterfall-dev, and #hangar technically
:p
wispy blade
tfw code doesnt work for only the first iteration
now it iterates once too many i hate java
limber knotBOT
<3
blissful wing
live-code this
we can give commentary
and bad suggestions
make sure you're using Integers instead of ints
so you don't npe
wispy blade
only reason i NPE is because the info in the index is missing
limber knotBOT
you're welcome
wispy blade
we already were when he became a maintainer
mental meadow
don't worry, we have been doomed long before that
warm anchor
PaperMC now powered by furryโข๏ธ
mental meadow
I mean I joined the project like a year ago
cosmic raft
12:57 -- MSG(groupserv): flags !paper-staff Spottedleaf +cmv
12:57 -- GroupServ (GroupServ@services.esper.net): Spottedleaf now has flags +cmv on !paper-staff.
12:57 -- MSG(groupserv): flags !paper-staff mbaxter +cmv
12:57 -- GroupServ (GroupServ@services.esper.net): mbaxter now has flags +cmv on !paper-staff.
12:58 -- MSG(groupserv): flags !paper-friend AgentK +cmv
12:58 -- GroupServ (GroupServ@services.esper.net): AgentK now has flags +cmv on !paper-friend.
aha
wispy blade
@ Spottedleaf describe your fursona pls
golden gust
I was wondering how you did that
wispy blade
denial, denial, denial
lunar mural
Paper is awesome!
static badge
mental meadow
leaf do you like my new avatar
blissful wing
glad we're in agreement here
mental meadow
it's me but anime
static badge
it looks good
blissful wing
it has colors
chrome quest
Does anyone know what caused the tps drop here? I don't believe it's entities this time.
warm anchor
warm anchor
Trying to find things to do so they can lag your server
potent fossil
kek
chrome quest
There is only 85 villageers ticking. while 200 sheep and 200 cows
warm anchor
Also wrong channel doctor
1 villager = at least 100 dumb sheep
Please learn how to read timing
potent fossil
what you talking about, you need to zoom the filter into the time of the tps drop
i already see 634 villagers in just one region
warm anchor
Seem*
chrome quest
I don't know of anyone who has that many villagers.
chrome quest
Is there a way I can figure out where those villagers are or reduce their impact on the server without killing them?
potent fossil
got a boat load in 512 blocks around (-3584, -3584) and (2560, -5632)
those are regions tho so still gotta go lookin
wispy blade
villagerlobotimizernator thing could also maybe help
warm anchor
Nah the new setting for it is good enough
solid sapphire
it fun creating fires in a bathroom
wispy blade
wispy blade
why are those null wtf
plucky sparrow
null!
warm anchor
Activate brain!
plucky sparrow
which brain
wispy blade
what brain
blissful wing
aw damn i missed the spacex CRS mission launch
plucky sparrow
i'm faster biombo
plucky sparrow
good luck
chrome quest
Yes?
plucky sparrow
dam
blissful wing
yes it can be run on mac
chrome quest
I was going to move it to the other channel.
blissful wing
I mean it's java so it can run anywhere
plucky sparrow
exactly
wispy blade
*as long as that platform has a JVM release
void void
PaperMC toaster edition 
chrome quest
Okay. Iโd like to learn how to make a plugin so I was thinking of setting up a test server on the same machine for testing.
blissful wing
yeah that's generally the recommended approach
single most important development ability is the ability to iterate quickly
so the faster you can get your code running in an environment after a change, the faster you can develop
that mutable Location is a bit 
@wispy blade
blissful wing
it do till it dont
wispy blade
but it do work!
vernal moth
Did you see the astra launch slide?
wispy blade
yeah, it's not getting put into the square, but the coordinates are correct
blissful wing
they're so very close
vernal moth
So exiting to see new companies approach this field
blissful wing
their previous launch missed orbital velocity by 500m/s
so they're really close to true orbital capacity
golden gust
I just wish a rocket would side launch and deal with bezos for us
blissful wing
honestly I think the only reason fate didn't kill him on his flight @golden gust is because he brought a highschooler and Wally Funk with him
vernal moth
Astra isn't bezos
blissful wing
and by fate I mean some random underpaid ground tech
golden gust
The guy is suing nasa because he didn't get his way
blissful wing
holy s h i t
elon's tweets yesterday were ๐ฅ
oh maybe it wasn't his twitter
maybe it was just a meme
vernal moth
They got like hunderts of people on this launch tower
blissful wing
it was something along the lines of "jeff bezos quit amazon so that he could spend his days suing nasa over spacex"
golden gust
oh, yea, I saw that too, was 10/10
blissful wing
so uh question @wispy blade
why aren't you just doing an interlocked x z loop
loc original = new loc(loc.x, loc.y, loc.z)
for(int x=-4; x<=4; x++) {
for(int z=-4; z<=4; z++) {
loc.setx(original.x + x)
...
}
if I'm understanding the end design correctly, which is to make a 9(?) by 9 set of Square's
wispy blade
yea
solid sapphire
never been so offended by something so true.
blissful wing
I just feel like it'd be less error-prone than a while loop
plucky sparrow
i usually ask everyone for opinions on the idea to see if its worth my time
golden gust
fwiw, the first thing to know about mrs naomi is that she's dum
wispy blade
TRUE
wispy blade
i usually ask everyone for opinions on the idea to see if its worth my time
i poke my friend that knows nothing about programming to help brainstorm
golden gust
The good news is that we're more than happy to ruin your hopes and dreams
plucky sparrow
how many questions do you have
chrome quest
Can I code and compile Java in VScode? Or should I get a different IDE?
golden gust
inb4
plucky sparrow
Can I code and compile Java in VScode? Or should I get a different IDE?
you can but why would you
golden gust
can you? yes
plucky sparrow
why not just
blissful wing
I'd recommend IntelliJ community edition
plucky sparrow
IntelliJ
blissful wing
especially on mac
golden gust
Especially when jetbrains exist
blissful wing
vscode isn't the best on mac
solid sapphire
The good news is that we're more than happy to ruin your hopes and dreams
dw i have no dreams im just a useless piece of shit
blissful wing
so yeah uh like I said @wispy blade
do you clone the location in Square's constructor
because if not
wispy blade
are you cloning the Location?
Square takes a location and clones it yea
golden gust
been there done fucking that more than I'd like to admit
chrome quest
minor badge
this would be a great case of where withers are super useful :( https://github.com/openjdk/amber-docs/blob/master/eg-drafts/reconstruction-records-and-classes.md
golden gust
wish you'd fucking wither
blissful wing
also @chrome quest if you're using it to learn they have an educational edition that's free for personal use
that has all the features of their professional edition (which itself is $100/yr)
just can't use the free version for commercial use
highly, highly recommend it
plucky sparrow
what features does the community edition not have
chrome quest
Can I use the Community version for commercial use or is that what you mean by free?
blissful wing
because Jetbrains makes IDEs for every single major language on the planet
golden gust
Jetbrains โค๏ธ
solid sapphire
ye
twin lagoon
@minor badge BEST mari
golden gust
some refactoring stuff, some "enterprise" integrations like databases, EE stuff
coarse lily
IDEs are for quitters I write Java in Notepad.
pallid raptor
Jetbrains always have something for everything
golden gust
I fucking love datagrip
plucky sparrow
IDEs are for quitters I write Java in Notepad.
i use notepad++
pallid raptor
i use notepad++
I use cmd
coarse lily
I actually use Eclipse because I donโt like having extra RAM.
solid sapphire
remind me to cacnle my ultimate subscription
plucky sparrow
where do i get the education edition
minor badge
<@!181470050039889920> BEST mari
void void
where do i get the education edition
Gh education pack
golden gust
the extra ram usage is faaaaarrr much more worth it for me
blissful wing
Community Edition: Limited featureset, may be used for commercial use but they encourage ultimate dition
Education edition: Contact Jetbrains to get it, cannot be used for commercial use whatsoever, but otherwise has full ultimate edition features
Ultimate edition: All features unlocked, paid
golden gust
I don't mind it eating a chunk more of ram if it speeds up as much as it does
solid sapphire
BEST jetbrains
solid sapphire
the extra ram usage is faaaaarrr much more worth it for me
cries in 4 gigs of ram
wispy blade
unused ram is wasted ram anyways
golden gust
IJs indexing takes a chunk of ram but for the performance gains it's more than worth it
blissful wing
back when I still used community edition iirc the biggest difference was that community didn't have plugins
i always have a surplus of ram nowadays
golden gust
I tried using eclipse for a day and lasted 10 minutes with how slow as balls their auto completion is
solid sapphire
ye
vernal moth
This is still one of my fav jokes about bezos
coarse lily
Iโve actually never had an issue with Eclipsesโs auto completion.
vernal moth
Twitter
blissful wing
lol
golden gust
pmsl
solid sapphire
https://twitter.com/4sanjaymathew/status/1427300626476711950?s=19
As#
solid sapphire
wow my isp is not like any other , not like use all ur data, speed reduced
theyre like use all data, you get no notification, all data after that is paid
blissful wing
isps vary like crazy from country to country
and state to state
my ISP has no caps
(fios)
solid sapphire
i think i got like 1000 rupees extra cuz of that on my bill
golden gust
Over in the UK unlimited is basically standard for home broadband
plucky sparrow
my ISP has no caps
Same
solid sapphire
here its more like depending on speed
plucky sparrow
You pay for the speed here
golden gust
Too much competition, especially over the same copper, for there not to be competitions over real value
solid sapphire
100 mbps = 1tb 30 mbps = 250 gb
plucky sparrow
there's no limits
golden gust
Like, speed is prime here, but, 90% of the ISPs all use the same copper lines
blissful wing
yeah that's how it usually works when there is a cap @solid sapphire
golden gust
There is like 1 mainstream domestic ISP which actually owns their own network
vernal moth
One ISP in Germany tried to add a cap, they got sued faster than their twitter team could deal with the shitstorm ๐
blissful wing
"oh please upgrade to the higher plan"
golden gust
the rest just services flats
blissful wing
but if you are already on the highest plan?
they just sorta are like
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
solid sapphire
lol
speaking of that no wonder why i havent been getting any calls
i forgot to recharge my sim
solid sapphire
yeah
blissful wing
brb gaming
solid sapphire
for some reason i have to get like one telemarketer min daily
golden gust
wispy blade
@blissful wing not getting npes anymore, thanks for your insight :p
blissful wing
np
my advice is to always avoid while loops if you ever can
90% of the time they're unnecessary complexity
wispy blade
that is some good advice, lol
warm anchor
just activate your brain Nioma!
static badge
wispy blade
wtf
wispy blade
it would be reimu
static badge
only pain
wispy blade
and reimu is not an anime character
static badge
are we splitting hairs again
wispy blade
no
wispy blade
same
full rune
streams are perfectly simple
wispy blade
anyway time to pick out a tshirt that my bra doesn't shine through woohoo
cedar spade
https://tenor.com/view/empty-brain-loading-gif-20731521
Oh no
swift sentinel
Is it hard to setup a paper server or do I need to be smort?
golden gust
There are 12 year olds out there running servers
all it requires is some basic understanding and the willingness to read
noble bough
Honey, donda is released
golden gust
wat.
swift sentinel
Well I went to the paper website and theres no link to subscribe to a server.
blissful wing
streams are......
golden gust
Because we're not a hosting provider
swift sentinel
So paper is just used for the mods?
blissful wing
plugins, but yes
there are other companies that actually host servers
both of vanilla, spigot, and paper
blissful wing
that other companies exist? no
warm anchor
TRUE
swift sentinel
ok. Recommend a good host?
solid sapphire
:concern: i have to restart my phone to get access after i teinsert my sim
blissful wing
creeperhost if they're still around?
swift sentinel
Thanks
warm anchor
if you only have $1 budget, anything budget host wise are the same
blissful wing
creeperhost was always chill and donated dev resources
warm anchor
still alive actually I just visisted.
dont know if same people running that place though
swift sentinel
I don't mind paying I just want mob heads land claims and maybe cross platform
blissful wing
yeah idk who;'s running these places nowadays
yeah just look around for a host that supports running paper @swift sentinel
paper is the program that runs on the server machine
re: streams @full rune @static badge @wispy blade
I'd only recommend them in certain dev environments
like lets say you're building a scalable microservice
golden gust
I heard that streams go brrrrr
blissful wing
you value development iteration time more than compute resources and GC
so yes, use streams all you want
solid sapphire
my phone still runs lollipop
blissful wing
makes the code more readable, is easier to write, and is less bug-prone
but on the other end of the spectrum, lets say you run a monolithic app that can't scale
could be a MC server, could be any other monolith
static badge
like minecraft
blissful wing
suddenly all those allocations add up
for each of those lambdas you create
so now you're having to very carefully craft your lambdas to not create allocations
customizing your libraries to allow you to pass metadata via the call tree
etc
it's the same argument of using an ArrayList vs an array
if you need the performance, and don't mind the development cost, array is better
but 99% of the time you should just be using an ArrayList
and if you have to ask, usually you should be doing what 99% of people are doing ๐
static badge
should I make the collision code use streams everywhere?
blissful wing
lmao
quasi valley
only 8/10 could still be more
blissful wing
yeah at one point I actually had to fork trove
and add all sorts of extra overloads to the iterate methods
so that I could pass random garbage in as a parameter that made it to the lambda
w/o allocs
fun times
streams are the opposite side of the coin of
"Premature optimization is the root of all evil"
streams are "make it work, then optimize it later"
rather have a finished product that is slow than an unfinished product with a crazy optimized calculator
lol
heady spear
People that wear shoes indoors are gross and should be banned from society. In fact, they should be thrown in prison forever and ever.
quasi valley
They should be forced to eat their shoes
golden gust
I mean, I just go back to my days of before streams existed when programming anything I give a shit about these days ๐
heady spear
They should be forced to eat their shoes
yes!!
golden gust
last time I used a stream I think was in a uni project for some GUI crap which needed some filtering logic
quasi valley
no, just sensible
heady spear
your shoes have been outdoors, outdoors is gross, your shoes are gross.
golden gust
ur gross
plucky sparrow
wdym outdoors is gross
quasi valley
and by extension, that makes the person wearing them gross
heady spear
do these people ever take their shoes off? how often do they need to clean their floors?
void void
this guy gets it
heady spear
also if you're like "omg ur feet stink if u don't wear shoes" then consider washing your fucking socks and taking a shower
stinky gross ppl smh
golden gust
Bro
if you ever worked in a shop all day, you'd understand
you stand around in your boots all day, like, proper chunky, wouldn't notice dropping a brick on your toes shoes
warm anchor
City doesnt do lower shop job zcat wdym!
golden gust
Like, you switch over to a pair of walking shoes to go home
You get in, your feet are aching, and horrible
the last thing you wanna do is take your shoes off and unleash the smell within
heady spear
if you don't take your shoes off when going indoors I'll call the police
blissful wing
what is outdoors
cedar spade
outdoors is indeed a hate crime
golden gust
Like, I'd have a cup of tea before I dealt with the horrors of taking my shoes off
quasi valley
outdoors is indeed a hate crime
ur a hate crime
heady spear
cat we can't be fuckbuddies anymore I'm sorry
blissful wing
cedar spade
ur a hate crime
no u
golden gust
cancelled
blissful wing
so @heady spear
then how do you feel about
my dog that doesn't wear shoes when he goes outside
and then comes back inside?
๐
cedar spade
your dog doesn't wear shoes? ๐
heady spear
how hard is it to just wipe off their feet with a washcloth or a hypoallergenic cloth when the dog enters the house?
heady spear
then your dog has to wear shoes
blissful wing
lmao
blissful wing
its ok we give him a bath every few weeks
wispy blade
dogs wearing shoes have MAD drip though
heady spear
actually tho we just wipe their feet off if they're muddy because gross
blissful wing
oh yeah if they're muddy or it's raining we have a towel by the door
golden gust
I mean, I take my shoes off when I get inside, only time I ever leave them on is when my feet are aching and I know taking them off is just gonna make it worse, so I just like, wait until blood flow does its thing or whatever
heady spear
putting clothes on animals for funsies is dumb, only do it if it's to prevent them from freezing to death
golden gust
I never saw the facination in dressing pets up in clothes
quasi valley
I never saw the facination in dressing pets up in clothes
does that mean you're naked
heady spear
In northern Europe people will think you're some kind of heathen if you don't remove your shoes when entering a home. Every sensible home has a shoe rack and a shoe horn, so it's very convenient
waxen panther
worn ember
how hard is it to just wipe off their feet with a washcloth or a hypoallergenic ...
you clearly dont own pets
heady spear
it was mostly a joke DED, but I've had more pets than most people lol
golden gust
||about to go re-enact a classic||
worn ember
ur a joke 
heady spear
go do something useful
wispy blade
i would .joke but korobi dead
worn ember
no, i'm playing DSP
worn ember
i wear crocs
heady spear
if you take your shoes off and you're barefoot then your feet should be removed
waxen panther
ded does seem like the kinda person to wear crocs tbh
warm anchor
bot is dead?
waxen panther
maybe
worn ember
if i walk around my house barefoot for more than 2 minutes i have an entire layer of dirt and sand on my feet lol