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magic river
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Java Card can only use byte and short primitives, no GC, no multidimensional arrays, etc

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No enums

ancient bolt
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wait really, no enums? lol

marble lark
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might as well be writing in assembly at that rate

golden gust
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I guess a huge part of it is that it's minimal and people working on backend stuff are generally gonna be familiar with stuff like java to be able to do stuff with the actual software

turbid oar
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Hey Michael can I friend you btw

ancient bolt
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enums could easily be optimized down to bitsets

golden gust
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probs impedes on linker aspects

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I mean, valueOf would be fucked unless you're up for blowing storage, etc

red timber
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if i did "java card" again, i'd pick wasm

ancient bolt
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just don't allow valueOf or similar

red timber
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quite easy to implement as well

twin lagoon
marble lark
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ouch

red timber
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but can i, michael

twin lagoon
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yes

red timber
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🥺

marble lark
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blunt rejection

red timber
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pog

turbid oar
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Damn

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Sad lol

golden gust
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I mean, they were called sun microsystems, not sun superiorsystems

potent fossil
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inb4 coffeeman wanted to ask michael infrastructure questions for his new hot straight off the choppin block absolutely not summerhost summerhost

magic river
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They made a version of Java Card 3.0 that has everything from Java 1.6 but floating point, no one uses it

ancient bolt
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having no GC seems like that could be a problem considering there is no way to manually delete memory

marble lark
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sun superiorsystems
rofl

golden gust
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.gc

limber knotBOT
ancient bolt
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unless they provide a special function to allow it

magic river
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They just use the version of Java Card 3.0 that is the same old stripped down environment but with new encryption algorithms, basically

red timber
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.g java card memory management

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hm, no .g anymore?

golden gust
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.kill mikro

upbeat falconBOT
marble lark
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use /google

golden gust
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so, paperchan ded

potent fossil
tropic flame
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they replaced the based command prefixes with the virgin slash commands

potent fossil
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let me revive paperchan

tropic flame
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sad

potent fossil
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god damn it

marble lark
ancient bolt
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oh so they have a special JCSystem class. I assume it can do things

true canyon
magic river
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It's somewhat common for CLI tools and even compilers to "leak" memory too

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They don't run for long and leaving the OS to clean everything up makes them run faster

marble lark
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it would be amazing if this version of Java has JIT

magic river
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No, no JIT

marble lark
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called it

magic river
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Special bytecode optimized for size and interpreter performance

golden gust
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you don't really have the resources for JIT

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^^

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I mean

magic river
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It's not even standard JVM bytecode

golden gust
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like, you want fast responses from the card

potent fossil
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.kill mikro

magic river
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It's basically a completely different world that just so happens to be a strict subset of Java (well, a superset of a subset, they add things too)

limber knotBOT
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beheads mikro with a sharpened katana and uses their head to play baseball.

golden gust
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not, speak to the card, wait 10 seconds because JIT kicked in

potent fossil
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there ya go

marble lark
warm anchor
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Simple why is your bot has no profile pic!! @potent fossil

magic river
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They have their own JVM and bytecode

potent fossil
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it can only have one if someone in here is named paperchan

ancient bolt
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yeah it's all the more confusing why anyone bothered with Java ME at all

potent fossil
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then it'll use that

ancient bolt
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it's just not even java anymore

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it's weird

red timber
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sherman tldr it's java but it's not java

magic river
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It was 1996, Java was in everything

marble lark
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JavaLite

ancient bolt
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"write once run everywhere" doesn't apply

red timber
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even quake 3 wanted to use jvm

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apparently

marble lark
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JavaSmall

golden gust
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I mean, as said, it's probs just to take existing fire power in the company

red timber
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but id software went with their own vm

magic river
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Quake 3 uses its own VM that runs a variant of C 😄

golden gust
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Who wants to hire brand new devs just to write software for your chips when you just pull a chair or two from your backend team

red timber
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qvm is epic

ancient bolt
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was quake 3 written by carmack too? Dude was in a league of his own back then

red timber
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some people extracted it from q3 and made it embeddable into other C projects

magic river
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Quake used scripts but was too slow for big mods, Quake 2 used C but was too hard to work with, Quake 3 combined them

marble lark
marble lark
red timber
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yes

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idk, java card is good enough atm

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i have a sim card which can signing and encryption for govt services

marble lark
red timber
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takes like 5-10sec to do its thing after inserting pin

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could be faster but it's good enough

ancient bolt
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i don't think you understand what i mean

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carmack was so far above everyone else in the game dev scene

red timber
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lol ye

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good old inv square root

marble lark
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makes the guy a legend 😉

upbeat falconBOT
ancient bolt
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like yeah back then everyone was hardcore asm programmers, who understood hardware etc etc

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but he was a different breed

marble lark
ancient bolt
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the stuff he built for wolfenstien and doom were considered impossible on consumer hardware (aka non-arcade boards) until he did it

magic river
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Quake 3's networking model is basically what games still use today

golden gust
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I mean, back then getting the most from hardware is pretty much critical

marble lark
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not easy to stand out in that day when everyone else was so good

golden gust
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These days, you've got the resources to basically not give a shit

red timber
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quake engines were base for a good chunk of games

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hl1 goldsrc is derived from q1 iirc

worn ember
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Then: fit entire game on 4mb
Now: electron go brrrrr

golden gust
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Part of why games these days often perform horribly in some areas as you just don't have the people who need to micro-op shit to all fuck to run on weak ass consumer hardware

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or do weird shit to get around platform limitations

ancient bolt
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the fact that modern code is slower down / has slowed down quicker than computers have gotten faster is depressing as fuck

marble lark
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iirc their software renderers before GPUs were a thing was nothing short of godlike

upbeat falconBOT
red timber
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^

ancient bolt
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anyways, windows 11 apparently renders the task bar using webviews now so we are all doomed

red timber
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ffs

magic river
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Carmack is also the reason OpenGL is still a thing, basically

golden gust
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I had windows 11 in a VM and it was honestly kinda surprisingly smooth

red timber
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begone

marble lark
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LOL

golden gust
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Well

ancient bolt
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I have no doubt they optimized it to be good

marble lark
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"begone"

worn ember
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systems are also a lot more complex then they were back then so a lot harder to micro opt

red timber
marble lark
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poof

golden gust
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relatively for windows lol

ancient bolt
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but microsoft is like the only ones capable of expending the resources to do so

marble lark
ancient bolt
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vscode is like the only reasonable electron app because they spent hours doing performance analysis to make sure their javascript code JIT'd correctly

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basically no one has the time and expertise to do that

coarse lily
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Electron sucks.

marble lark
red timber
marble lark
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which honestly surprised me a lot

magic river
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Electron sucks but for developers it's better than anything else you can make UIs with

red timber
golden gust
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electron sucks but the thing is these days is what's the alternative?

red timber
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see above

coarse lily
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There are tons of alternatives.

worn ember
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non good tho

magic river
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Tauri is just electron but Rust and not shipping a separate copy of Chromium

golden gust
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Devs wanna reduce the amount of time they spend on making stuff and cross platform UI libraries basically suck or don't exist for different language environments, etc

worn ember
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ease of use vs performance

ancient bolt
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Qt and Java have always been reasonable, they just look terrible and non-native. So the only reasonable options have been to write natively

red timber
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tauri isn't electron iirc, it's webkit

magic river
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Even if I only had to target one platform at this point if it's not React or similar I just hate working with it

ancient bolt
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now there's flutter which, instead of hooking into the native UI toolkits, just emulates it

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which is...an interesting approach

marble lark
tropic flame
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can't you just make a UI in Java match the look and feel of the system? at least Swing lets you do that

(inb4 "swing sucks", well that was not my point)

coarse lily
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Yeah the cross platform write once run anywhere doesn't have a great solution other than Electron.

worn ember
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its like 20 years old

ancient bolt
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FX is still really cool tbh

marble lark
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well maybe not dead but they certainly gave up on proper native look and feel

ancient bolt
golden gust
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FX still has oddball platform quirks and javas dev cycle was slow as all fuck so it never really moved forward

floral mesa
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qt needs to be version specific, and java needs to be installed separately unless you want the wraith of oracle

ancient bolt
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so, in that way you'll often get close enough

ancient bolt
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you just bundle your own JRE

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use one of the many free options instead

golden gust
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Don't get me wrong, FX is freaking amazing in terms of offering something which is actually cross platform but unless you go into insane efforts, "pretty UI" is basically not a thing

floral mesa
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unless you want the wraith of oracle

marble lark
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Kotlin UI toolkit wen

magic river
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One way data binding and JSX makes working with React so much nicer than doing UIs with Qt or UIKit

tropic flame
golden gust
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and at the point where pretty UI is required, just telling your existing web team to do it is much easier

ancient bolt
coarse lily
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Yeah but "easier" doesn't give you a better product.

golden gust
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Who gives a shit?

tropic flame
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the users?

golden gust
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I mean, that's the entire nature of this

ancient bolt
golden gust
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Users don't care

coarse lily
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A lot of users care :)

golden gust
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Us as devs may care about the excessive resource usage

coarse lily
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I care, cat!

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I do!

ancient bolt
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harder definitely doesn't give you anything better unless you have unlimited resources

golden gust
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But, end users?

coarse lily
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You never care about my feelings.

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This is why we broke up.

golden gust
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end users just see their hardware getting slower and figure they need new hardware

marble lark
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O.o

tropic flame
# golden gust But, end users?

"why does computer go brrrr when i have discord, chrome, and a game running :c"

well, figures, the software they run is trash

coarse lily
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Yeah people care when they look at their RAM usage and see everything's a fucking Chrome wrapper eating 5GB.

ancient bolt
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users care too, no one likes having a slow computer

golden gust
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Once again, average users don't see that

coarse lily
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No, they just say "My computer is slow"

magic river
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Tauri is like Electron but instead of node for "backend" things you use Rust and instead of shipping a copy of CEF you use the platform's web widget (WebView2, WebKit-GTK, WebKit)

coarse lily
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So they care, they just don't know why.

ancient bolt
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average users only sees a slow computer

warm anchor
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You need 8g minimum now for any average user

golden gust
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^^

ancient bolt
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and that is frustrating to anyone

warm anchor
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Wouldn’t recommend any less

marble lark
wispy blade
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my 4gb laptop in 2021:

red timber
wispy blade
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ij + 5 chrome tabs + discord kekw

golden gust
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Average users are dumb, it's frustrating to them but they don't make the link that the new Spotify app is basically yet another web browser and eats more resources than before

ancient bolt
red timber
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i run my 16gb laptop near 90%

ancient bolt
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so that does sound a lot better

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microsoft is doing a lot of optimizations in windows for edge

magic river
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Eh, Chrome is faster Safari is just more power efficient

ancient bolt
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also makes the application a lot lighter

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ah, thought safari was still on-par

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but at least efficiency is nice

magic river
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Makes the download smaller, the app is still going to be a website 😛

coarse lily
marble lark
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hol up Electron is the js VM people use for making desktop applications or something?

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i dunno i don't keep up with js

ancient bolt
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a toolkit like kotlin compose or flutter or w/e that compiles to native UI bindings would be really cool.

upbeat falconBOT
magic river
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Electron is Chromium Embedded Framework + node

plucky sparrow
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I really like the new Safari design

magic river
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I think it might even ship two copies of V8

tropic flame
plucky sparrow
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except the one from the latest iOS beta

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Shame there's no safari on windogs

golden gust
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I kinda fell in love a bit with kotlin, and kotlin native seems so nice 😦

coarse lily
magic river
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Steam predates Electron otherwise it'd be one too

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It's a Chromium Embedded Framework app though

tropic flame
magic river
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It used to use WebView but that was IE and IE was too shit

tropic flame
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use -no-browser to start Steam and see how crippled it becomes

tropic flame
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even for just offline usage

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you can't even open game settings to change stuff like command line arguments anymore

marble lark
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oh god steam is imploding on itself

magic river
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flexbox (and most of the rest of CSS) is just a really nice way to handle laying out window contents, especially if you have dynamic content

plucky sparrow
magic river
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Rust UI experiments are basically flexbox plus a rust version of react

marble lark
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doesn't mean I like it

ancient bolt
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god steam is the worst lol. Steam has been a terrible app since the beginning

marble lark
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but it sure as hell isn't like js

golden gust
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Their app was pretty meh and it's defo gotten more meh over the years

plucky sparrow
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Steam is kinda uneasy and I avoid using it because it used to be either hella buggy or laggy

golden gust
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But, in terms of what it does, there ain't really much of a competitive replacement

ancient bolt
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steam handles keeping games up to date and buying new games easily, which is what you pay them for

plucky sparrow
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Epic Games' solution is way better and it does actually look modern

ancient bolt
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their app is just really bad

plucky sparrow
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Steam looks outdated

ancient bolt
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lol

golden gust
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classic 😄

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god, I remember when the UI actually was that horrendius color

tropic flame
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still is in Half-Life 1 (and the other GoldSrc games tbh)

golden gust
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I remember installing one of those steam "patches", which, erm... too poor for gmod...

tropic flame
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i'd rather have that UI but the entire client be native tho

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or actually instead of that swamp green, make it dark blue

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like this dark blue

plucky sparrow
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I am hyped up for SteamOS 3 though

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Hopefully they let users install it on their PCs

wispy blade
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yall

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CSS steam UI was on point

native wolf
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It's 3

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Which is weird since Valve doesn't count to 3 lol

marble lark
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LOL

plucky sparrow
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wait it's 3?

waxen panther
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steams app is pretty bad but at least its not aggravating to use like egs or origin

plucky sparrow
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oh yes it is steamOS 3

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I thought it was 4

quasi valley
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And you can apply themes smolBless

plucky sparrow
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Well either way I wanna try it out

native wolf
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Steam app is really good when you compare it to other game clients

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Epic Games Launcher is unusable

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Like it's sooo slow

worn ember
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doesnt evne load half the time for me

plucky sparrow
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It's slow but looks way better than the steam app

full rune
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it's oversimplified for my taste

potent fossil
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well i got hired by my school to do a lead a study group and im like ok, so i go into the zoom room waiting for people to show up and nobody shows up whatsoever

just got paid to sit here and listen to spotify

borat very nice

wispy blade
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huh, TIL MalformedURLException is child of IOException

nimble depot
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Imagine a esoteric OS that you can only interact with using JavaScript

plucky sparrow
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The Steam app looks like it's from 2008

nimble depot
wispy blade
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i would not use node.js for anything other than web frontend

full rune
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i wouldn't use nodejs

vernal moth
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Am pretty sure somebody did do that already

marble lark
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and it fucking worked for 2 months

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lmao

vernal moth
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Finally, Linux without bash

marble lark
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fucking hell you beat me to it xd

limber knotBOT
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oof

marble lark
ripe sphinx
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but why

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just why

vernal moth
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Why not

marble lark
ripe sphinx
plucky sparrow
marble lark
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a kernel made entirely in js

runic roost
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is there a documentation about starlight? is it a plugin or a mod?

marble lark
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Starlight is a Fabric Mod

worn ember
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pretty sure its forge too

marble lark
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not too sure about documentation

vernal moth
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Starlight is a lighting engine for mc that comes in many flavors

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Its currently in the process of being integrated into paper

ancient bolt
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I personally prefer chocolate

rare cliff
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yo I have a question about whether something is possible with plugins (but not how to implement it), would that be a question for here or #paper-dev ? sorry to inturrupt

ripe sphinx
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.ask

limber knotBOT
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If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for staff or topic experts. Don't ask to ask or ask if people are awake or available. Just ask the question to the channel straight out, and wait patiently for a reply.

marble lark
rare cliff
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Just wanted to make sure I use the correct chat!

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tyvm

marble lark
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yeah its fine

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preferably paper-dev but here is fine too

rare cliff
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I'll wait for current convo to quiet down tho, don't wanna derail anybody

vernal moth
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Lighting is server, not Client, but your Minecraft client contains a Minecraft server for single player

marble lark
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Minecraft client contains a Minecraft server for single player
That I already knew
Lighting is server, not Client
that i didn't

magic river
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Lighting isn't both anymore?

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As a network optimization they made the server only send changes to light sources in the past and left the client to calculate what that did to the world

golden gust
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Eeer, well, it's fucking comical

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The "true" source of lighting is the server

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i.e. all lighting data should come from the server

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But, the client is still doing many of the things that the server does too

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And, there is a MC bug where if the lighting data is not something it's happy with the client stalls because it basically asks the lighting system for the light level and causes the clients lighting system to light the chunk

coarse lily
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Starlight is pretty peppy in Tuinity

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One of the big wins for merging into Paper IMO.

marble lark
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given how many contributions he made I'm honestly surprised leaf isn't part of the core team (Unless the discord roles shown here aren't accurate)

coarse lily
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No idea. Maybe he didn't want to be?

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But either way it's not really our business.

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Or at least I don't feel it's my business.

golden gust
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contribution # are irrelevant and core team is a political aspect where odd number is best

coarse lily
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Vote to replace Leaf with cat!

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Wait.

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cat with Leaf

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Fuck

quasi valley
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make cat a maintainer

coarse lily
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Typing is hard.

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Let's make cat a special role called "old and grumpy"

rare cliff
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plot twist, spottedleaf is also a cat

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it's cats all the way down

ancient bolt
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weebs aren't allowed in core

waxen panther
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do we ignore kash and cat

marble lark
marble lark
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lol

quasi valley
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Even less so, furries

rare cliff
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:v good luck rooting out all the furries

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you'll find the furry was inside you all along

ancient bolt
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furry weebs are not allowed on this discord server and will be banned on sight

quasi valley
rare cliff
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lmao

ancient bolt
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please report any furry weebs you see

rare cliff
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I'm not sure to which level you're joking, or whether you legit are concerned about my icon

ancient bolt
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lucky for you I have icons disabled in discord

quasi valley
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No, I don’t think anyone here is concerned about yours, dw pepela

rare cliff
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ahaha

ancient bolt
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@waxen panther's pfp is definitely ban-worthy tho

coarse lily
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How do you know?!

quasi valley
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true

rare cliff
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the beautiful coincidence of my gorgeous "ironic" weeb furry icon

plucky sparrow
ancient bolt
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tru

waxen panther
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broc itself is coreteam-worthy

mossy vessel
marble lark
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"vegtebal overlord"

magic river
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Are you boosting your own private server so you can get a bunch of custom emotes? 😛

ripe sphinx
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don't need to boost a private server to use custom emotes think11

magic river
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I thought you didn't get custom emotes unless it was partner or boosted

twin lagoon
ripe sphinx
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nope every server gets custom emotes, just need nitro to use cross-server, or animated ones

twin lagoon
marble lark
native wolf
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A few JS frameworks were made just in the time this meme was uploading lol

swift root
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memes in general?!!?!?!!??! smells suspicious

marble lark
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oh no

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no ban pleas

tropic flame
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"offtopic general"

sounds like everything fits in here, then

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food for thought right here ^

vestal jasper
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vegetable moment

waxen panther
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wtf

toxic bone
unkempt drift
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clean?

worn crest
nimble depot
potent panther
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put name of player here: https://mcuuid.net/
theng go to Server/world/playerdata and delete all files with that code you got from website

nimble depot
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Imna go to some shady plugin sites to look at some shady plugins

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Russian plugin directories: here is a backdoored version of LiteBans for you

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it's pretty well hidden but you instantly know a server is running that version (there is another very bad one where the command is literally disguised as a /co {sercret} command to be executed)

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Lesson to be learned: build your plugins from source or get them from a trusted source

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I keep telling server admins: if it looks too good to be true then it likely is

turbid oar
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love nitro

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So how is everyone's day been?

worn ember
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Embeding base64 as image src in html is how my day's going

turbid oar
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xD. I am just finally developing my about me website with php

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wait html

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lol

worn ember
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well blazor, but it gets converted to html

turbid oar
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got a question DarkEyeDragon what do you do with developing?

worn ember
turbid oar
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Ooo

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Epic

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I am a webdev too but going towards wordpress development now

worn ember
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god i hate wordpress

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its so slow

turbid oar
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lol

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feel you

waxen panther
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who would willingly enter into wordpress in 2021

turbid oar
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I know how to set it up with localhost but it was a pain in the ass since my php wasn't showing the code

magic river
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Wordpress usually caches really well and have a big ecosystem around it

turbid oar
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yes and most companies use it

magic river
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So it's nearly the same perf as a fully static site but easier to work with

golden gust
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Yea, that's really the trick for WP

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Cache the mother loving fuck out of the thing

turbid oar
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lol

worn ember
turbid oar
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eh the editor is damn slow

worn ember
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then it shits bricks for 2 minutes when you change an image

golden gust
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Yea, but,at least that doesn't impact end users

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afaik, there where also some external tools for that shit

turbid oar
worn ember
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last i used it it ran on my schools shitty server so that probably also contributed to it

turbid oar
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lmfao'

golden gust
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Real best solution for WP is to just not use WP, but, I've yet to really see an alternative with the ecosystem (or even without) which isn't severely lacking in one way or the other

turbid oar
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usually all I do is use the html and code blocks after blocks and move them in the preview crap

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but the preview usually looks damn ugly

queen tusk
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When you want to make a site in a time efficient manner you shouldn’t use the default editor anyway

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But something like Divi or Elementor

golden gust
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Those tools are often trash and massive lock-ins

turbid oar
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I used Elementor

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what do you recommend electro guy?

golden gust
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I mean, I generally don't make sites to be quick, but, be warned that migrating from those tools in the future is generally just a "fuck it, redo the entire site" type deal

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I mean

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Elementor looks interesting in a sense of if you're gonna be using WP you're locked into WP anyways, so 🤷‍♂️

turbid oar
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That sucks. I will keep looking for a better solution to fix that problem.

golden gust
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same for divi too, I guess

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idk why I thought they where more standalone tools

turbid oar
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But yet again I just started learning wordpress

golden gust
#

if you need the CMS aspects, then, I guess those tools make sense vs the default built in crap

turbid oar
#

lol

golden gust
#

but, if your site is more static oriented, there are hundreds of standalone themes out there

turbid oar
#

so true

#

I found myself as a website dev then plugin dev lol

golden gust
#

Like, straight up, I fucking hate WP

turbid oar
#

I do like looking for bugs and errors

#

oh lol

golden gust
#

But, when it comes to end users, theres no real good alternatives

#

Like, best alternatives I've generally seen for CMS is literally "we provide the CMS, you actually integrate the entire CMS thing into a site"

#

Which, I mean, eer...

#

At that point you might as well kinda take the hit of WP, which sucks ass, but, like, standardised tooling and all...

turbid oar
#

The reason I am learning it is because a lot of companies use WP and a lot of good paying companies use it PES_SipRondo

#

and ye I feel you

golden gust
#

Yea, that's one of the joys of WP

#

it sucks ass but there is a lot of ecosystem behind it

turbid oar
#

mhm

#

I see a job out that is 25-40 dollars an hour

#

on indeed

#

that uses it

#

basically its all about making themes and websites for people and they use GSAP
which GSAP looks amazing btw

#

hmmm

#

and there company is called CyberCoders

#

inc

golden gust
#

you sure it's actually that company?

#

They're a recruiter company

turbid oar
#

Here let me send the link

golden gust
#

It's a recruitment company

turbid oar
#

oh it is....

#

oh I see it now damn

#

it

#

nvm not going to go at it

#

going to search for something else

golden gust
#

I mean, recruiters are a good place to find jobs if you don't have the contacts

turbid oar
#

Been trying to get a web developing job xD since you know its hard to find a job during covid

golden gust
#

at least here, a fun issue is that a lot of places kinda closed the door on recruitment, looks to sloooowly be coming back, just, recruiters, urgh...

#

A big fun is that most recruitment in this industry outside of the big coorp type deals is really just who you know

turbid oar
#

ah

#

gotchu

golden gust
#

Like, recruitment sites work too, just, recruiters in this industry are often a PITA, which is why the knowing peeps is important, defo recommend networking and shit when it's safe to do so

turbid oar
#

yeah

#

I recently had a job outside my pc but I lost it during covid

waxen panther
#

all you need to do is network with @twin lagoon

#

xoxooxo

turbid oar
#

LOL

#

love birds

#

I might look into it

#

but idk if I am smart enough for it xD

#

but who knows what you are compatible of

mossy vessel
#

Bromc

waxen panther
#

hei nomf

mossy vessel
#

👀

turbid oar
#

what does that mean?

red timber
#

nomf?

turbid oar
#

yes sir

red timber
#

notmyfault

turbid oar
#

oh 0/

#

I get it lol

turbid oar
#

xD

waxen panther
#

what

#

michael knows everyone, idk what you're specifically talking abuot

turbid oar
#

?

twin lagoon
#

@mossy vessel epic

#

@lavish compass happeepoheart

#

@waxen panther koriLove

turbid oar
#

no I am talking about the network stuff I am not going to be interested in

#

well...

#

I might be looking at the wrong thing

royal kernel
#

Is Waterfall/Bungeecord reliant on single or multicore performance?

worn ember
#

yes

turbid oar
#

multi

royal kernel
#

Thanks

potent fossil
#

my physics professor comes in with a giant black and white wheel and turns it on and you can see red/green/blue colors on it while spinning and some ppl can't see it and he goes "you guys didnt drop acid right" and ppl go "NO!" and he goes "you should have thats the lesson today class dismissed"

turbid oar
#

what type of question is that....

#

lol

#

not to you gimple

potent fossil
#

and now he just said "whats this have to do with what we're learning today" and ppl start guessing

#

and he goes "absolutely nothing its just fun"

#

what the hell

turbid oar
#

lol

worn ember
#

i like your professor

potent fossil
#

me too this man is wild

turbid oar
#

I graduate highschool on year 2020 👀 worst year

worn ember
#

thats what i enjoy about college, profs are a lot more fun than teachers

potent fossil
#

plus he's lecturing with sunglasses on bc he forgot his reading glasses and he's wearing shorts and a hawaiian shirt

turbid oar
#

oh your guys in college

#

?

potent fossil
#

yes lol

turbid oar
#

oh lmfao

#

oops lol

#

I have to pay for my own college

potent fossil
#

me too

worn ember
#

i shouldve graduated like 3 years ago kek

turbid oar
#

How old are you Darkeye?

worn ember
#

23

potent fossil
#

yea i should have my degree rn, but i've been in college for 4 yrs bc mental health fuckery

#

anyway gonna pay attention now

turbid oar
#

I am turning 20 in 2 weeks PikaDance

worn ember
#

Anyone else seen the "challenge" of walking on stacked bins to the top?

turbid oar
#

?

worn ember
#

its funny cuz they could die at any moment

turbid oar
#

damn

worn ember
turbid oar
#

what an idiot

#

but seems dope

worn ember
merry talon
#

@potent fossil i have a doctors appt on monday to discuss ADHD

turbid oar
#

holy darkeye lmfao

#

whats the point of people doing that

#

?

worn ember
#

idk

#

cuz they stupid

turbid oar
#

xD

smoky python
#

Its been awhile

wind geyser
#

rip groovy bot

potent fossil
#

@merry talon good boi

wind geyser
#

fimple when?

#

wait

#

i don't know the alphabet

#

himple when?

#

you didn't see anything

solid sapphire
#

is gnome broken with xrdp?

untold copper
#

its not bullying if i dont mind it lmao

#

mini its fine

solid sapphire
#

after this screen i justt die on oh n o error occured

pallid raptor
#

What is xrdp??

#

Looks like something that would run on an old machintosh

solid sapphire
#

xrdp rdp implimintation for linux

#

so i tried to login as root...

pallid raptor
#

Oh

#

Well it looks like something from like 1999

solid sapphire
#

login screen only

pallid raptor
#

Yeah it looks broken and hurts my eyes :/

solid sapphire
#

so i changes Xsession to gnome-session and not blacksod

#

but wont crash!

pallid raptor
#

Lol yeah your better off just using Linux

#

Or arch

#

Or fedora

solid sapphire
#

i am ysing linux

#

arch and fedora are distros of linux

pallid raptor
#

Yeah but use Modern Linux

solid sapphire
#

i use debian 11 on bot my machienes

#

11 is new af

pallid raptor
#

That. Looks. Horrific

solid sapphire
#

why? what?

pallid raptor
#

The purple and green

#

Let alone the boxes don’t match

#

Bright colours at night don’t go well

warm anchor
solid sapphire
#

thats xrdp

worn ember
formal turret
#

Lel, spent a week trying to make mixins work with paper and finally gave up. The classloading was whack with plugins like luckperms that have their own libs and the remapping was not consistent

#

Did learn a little though so wasn't a complete waste of time

pallid raptor
#

What cpu benchmark is recommend for hosting a paper mc server?

solid sapphire
#

pleas healp me in getting xrdp to work lol

pallid raptor
#

I’m just trying to make sure that I have some decent stats before I purchase and start setting my server up

pallid raptor
solid sapphire
#

nope

lament patio
#

Plus make sure it has enough cores, like 4

pallid raptor
#

The one I’m eyeing says it’s got a CPU-B of 6370

#

It is an I7-3770 Core so not the best but should work with the 6 TB of storage and 32GB of ram no?

#

I have no idea why I’m stressing so much over a CPU but it would be good to know I have atleast an decent chance to run the server

warm anchor
#

Should look into how you are going to build the community

#

most server dies in first year anyway

#

you are wasting time on things that will end up not be important at all

#

Hype up the launch, gather information on your player base.
Know how many players will join on launch and pick hardware accordingly

golden gust
#

That's a 7 year old CPU

solid sapphire
#

finally this agans

warm anchor
#

If you gonna start small, it's ok to use shared host, get a solid player base who will donate for you and go from there

#

If you dont have any money to invest initially or any sponsor that will carry you from the beginning, that's pretty much the only way

tropic flame
#

this sounds toxic

#

not a bad idea though I think

silver nexus
#

getting the school hub to get off waitlist is the hardest part lmao

#

idk of any that have actually gotten off of it

#

apparently some in australia

pallid raptor
#

And I can always save money up each month as I get £10 a week every time I go to school but I have to pump 2.5 weeks worth of cash back into the server to keep it up

#

Every month

#

So that will leave me with around £5 - £15 each school month.

#

So I can maybe pay for some sort of sponsoring but it wouldn’t be very good

#

And I don’t really need to pick hardware for a good while is how I see it as with 32GB of ram and 6TB of storage I should be set if I start getting popular

#

I’ll slowly start to creep in the in game purchases when this happens

#

Wouldn’t be a bad idea ig

solid sapphire
#

so i got xrdp wotking with xfce

#

and i started a gnome session from xfce

#

and guess what?

viscid wedge
solid sapphire
#

cause yes

#

vnc slow

viscid wedge
#

Use spice

solid sapphire
#

didnt think bout tht

magic river
#

afaik xrdp is the same as vnc just with a different wrapper

solid sapphire
#

yes

magic river
#

It's not like it's doing anything special

#

They're both just sending diffs compressed as jpegs

#

RDP used to be like X11 forwarding but GDI but nothing on Windows uses that anymore

viscid wedge
#

Probably best to use that

solid sapphire
#

it does

magic river
#

That's just a GUI for RDP and VNC, no?

viscid wedge
#

Yeah it's vnc

stable slate
#

I'm nervous about enabling "per-player-mob-spawns. Anything I need to know before I do? Getting complaints of mob spawns being distributed unevenly.

solid sapphire
#

now how do i setup a spice server

viscid wedge
viscid wedge
#

Can't hurt really

stable slate
#

OK cool thanks!

solid sapphire
#

got it

#

:thocc:

bold rivet
#

What's up with the scammer server lists in the google?

minor badge
#

Hm?

bold rivet
#

when you google "minecraft servers", the first one is a scam

#

aka best-minecraft-servers.co (SCAM)

solid sapphire
bold rivet
#

all the servers are posted by the same person, all ranking is broken

#

hmm

#

try using incognito page

#

Also, any idea why websites like minecraft-mp sponsored slots are no longer outrageous in tens of thousands and are only like 2k now?

solid sapphire
bold rivet
#

🤔

#

for my friend it's #4 in google

vernal moth
#

Smth smth google has personalized results

#

How can a server list scam people?

#

Generally, all the data on there is faked beyond believe anyways

#

Vote counts get inflated, the host of the list gets bribed to list servers higher, the player count is spoofed, etc

#

Utterly useless

bold rivet
#

Do you know what happened to the prices on the legit lists though?

#

They plumited

vernal moth
#

That's so sad

#

Mojang should make a server browser so that all these sites an just vanish

#

Users shouldn't be subjected to such ad infested hell holes just to find a place to play with friends

magic river
#

lol, the only major PlayStation exclusive launching for the rest of this year is a game made by Microsoft

vernal moth
#

Cause they brought the studio, right?

magic river
#

Yeah, they bought Zenimax

vernal moth
#

Exclusives are awefull anyways

true canyon
#

User shows me a screenshot of timings saying "this command took a while to run". I ask for a spark profile, and they reply

All i can see is "java.lang.Thread.sleep()93.15%296672ms (self: 296672ms - 93.15%)"

and then refuse to give me the spark link. FacePalm

#

If you can tell me the reasons that will cause this problem, that would be really nice.

... no? No I can't? Since you won't share anything with me?

vernal moth
formal turret
#

Sorry mate can't have you seeing what plugins I have on my server

coarse lily
#

Haha

minor badge
#

@true canyon make a server for me ? isforme make it feature vanish no packet ?

true canyon
#

❤️

solid sapphire
#

i can

void void
#

new rs physics are so annoying

formal turret
#

I mean I don't know my Redstone but it's kinda hard to see why it's not getting powered without seeing the power source

void void
#

also if I power something it sometimes doesnt unpower until I break nearby blocks

true canyon
void void
#

Its 1.17.1 paper..

ashen cliff
minor badge
#

Anyone have issues with IntelliJ 2021.2.1 not showing suggestions? It can still do quick-imports, but if I press CTRL-Space, it will blink for a second and then show a little dialog with "No suggestions" instead of showing me suggestions (which I KNOW there are several of; I'm trying with Request here, which in my project should give closer to a hundred results, if not more...)

#

Works with reverting to 2021.2 at least...

solid sapphire
#

hmm

#

lemem see

vernal moth
#

Fwif, I updated to .1 yesterday and was on every EAP, beta and RC before that and never had it

#

But Intellij is buggy nowadays

minor badge
#

I just use the stable branch on snapcraft for it

#

Dropped a general word of warning in my team's channel on Slack and now have no excuse not to work :(

solid sapphire
#

snap :concern:

vernal moth
#

I'll be actually driving into office in a few today, am exited

#

Meeting up with a coworker I haven't seen in like what, two years?

minor badge
#

Forced to use Ubuntu, Pugz

#

so might as well use it correctly :p

solid sapphire
#

please just use toolbox's appimage and install like that

#

Toolbox ftw!

#

cries in 4 gig mem not enouf to run in ultimate

minor badge
#

hehe I use more for IJ than you've got total

solid sapphire
#

lol

#

69 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 69616ms

#

nice

limpid comet
magic river
hollow crow
#

Anyone an expert on commands/command blocks? 😂

I'm running a paper server with EssentialsX, CommandHook and few other plugins.

I'm trying to run a few commands on command blocks that need to "grab" a certain location.

Example: I want people that finish a maze to be told a message, given a reward and tp-ed out. And I don't want to use @p because there can be closer players to the command blocks.

I tried this: "tell @a[x=10,y=10,z=10] Congrats!". Shouldn't it only tell the message if AND to the player that is at that position?

Any help would be appreciated!

magic river
#

Use WorldGuard regions, boom problem solved

marble lark
#

commands use a min and max system when it comes to coordinates

#

by doing that you're telling the server to send the message to everyone who's x <= 10, y <= 10 and z<= 10

minor badge
#

Na, that's for x = 10, y = 10, and z = 10 simultaneously

#

dx can also be specified if you want e.g. x=1,dx=10 for x ∈ [1, 11]

marble lark
#

huh

#

guess i remembered that wrong

marble lark
#

the entire volume the block occupies is also added to the integer "Block Position" coords, which starts at (I think?) the bottom left of the block

marble lark
#

x=10,dx=1,y=10,dy=1,z=10,dz=1

untold copper
#

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ashen cliff
#

Bro! Better not be letting Jean down!

ashen cliff
#

I love LG so much. Why TF does a "new" TV not have overscan settings? Even better let's just change overscan every time you start the TV, have fun adjusting that.

twin lagoon
#

i have managed to acquire some scottish irn-bru soda

#

no idea what to expect

mossy vessel
#

bruh

solid sapphire
#

anyone have issues with nvidia 4xx drivers on linux debian 11

#

ive been getting kernel corruptions form the drivers after disabling and enabbling networkmanager

solid sapphire
#

color codes, looks like

#

oops its old af

plucky sparrow
#

excuse me what the fuck is this

solid sapphire
#

ye

#

i got it too

#

i entered my non-school email for fun

#

and i quit on step 2

plucky sparrow
#

It wouldn't work for me anyways

solid sapphire
#

ye

ashen cliff
wispy blade
#

birdseye view of hongkong kekw

#

total pain

ashen cliff
#

Hey, put that back, I was watching that.

ocean axle
#

ок.

worn crest
ashen cliff
#

Why not?

worn ember
solid sapphire
#

well fuck

#

i broke both my fibre's

#

time to live w/o 50mbps inet for a few weeks :pain:

worn ember
#

sad

#

people here talking about quake III and how it was so fast
Youtube: Write that down write that down

vernal moth
#

That video was the trigger, lol

#

It ended up on HN

worn ember
#

Ah

#

Makes sense

#

Funny how its in my feed a day later

toxic bone
worn ember
warm anchor
toxic bone
quasi valley
#

TRUE

#

@warm anchor comment?

minor badge
#

@waxen panther wtf

waxen panther
#

please ban "Kenny"

toxic bone
#

☎️

plucky sparrow
#

#AbuseNaomi

marble lark
#

yo if I wanted to have a repo pulled from git into paperweight's cache folder all I gotta do is issue the commands there right

#

cause I'm not sure if the cache is tracked by git in some way or

#

not*

solid sapphire
#

there we go

#

more mess on production

marble lark
#

i'm just messing around with it lol

solid sapphire
#

guys i have donse tineing VARY illegal

#

i(actually me from 2 years ago) wrapped a mobo in plastic

#

i can hear the static

untold copper
ashen cliff
#

What happened to your love for Jean?

untold copper
ashen cliff
#

Sad bro.

#

She will never forgive bro.

untold copper
#

Jean don't have boob sword

nova plume
#

um

ashen cliff
#

At least she knows how to make food and take care of a child. kekwhyper

#

She would also never hit you.

frank otter
#

I think I'm not gonna pull because ganyu rerun

untold copper
#

i dont like bow characters tho

nova plume
#

im ar 7 fight me

untold copper
#

lol

ashen cliff
#

I'm AR 57, fight me. kekwhyper

untold copper
#

im AR 54 or something

#

not sure

frank otter
#

I'm ar 55 or something

untold copper
#

havent played in a while

nova plume
#

same

frank otter
#

all my characters are underpowered for the world level kekwhyper

untold copper
#

my razor

#

is level 90

#

lmao

frank otter
#

my eula is level 80

#

she sucks, but less than all my other character

#

apart from maybe fischl

ashen cliff
#

Imagine not having level 90 BruhBruh DPS. kekwhyper

frank otter
#

OK now go fight hydro cube when it comes out

untold copper
frank otter
#

damn

#

do you use her

untold copper
#

no

frank otter
#

or do you not like her because of bow character

untold copper
#

i dont like her

frank otter
#

damn in dissapointed

untold copper
#

too specialized playstyle

#

razor best

frank otter
#

eula > razor

#

fight me

untold copper
#

my ults are - yanfei, kazuha, qiqi and then razor

ashen cliff
#

Noel > everyone.

untold copper
frank otter
#

Noelle's ult is very satisfying

untold copper
#

yes.

ashen cliff
#

Never use it. kekwhyper

untold copper
#

lmao

frank otter
#

bruh

#

please say you don't have her built as phys dls

#

*dps

untold copper
#

He has.

ashen cliff
#

Yes.

frank otter
#

Oh boy

ashen cliff
#

Geo too weak.

untold copper
frank otter
#

fischl best phys dps

untold copper
#

ningguang

#

op

ashen cliff
#

Since everything has geo resistance. kekwhyper

untold copper
#

ok bai

frank otter
ashen cliff
#

I have Geo homeless mommy, not impressed.

frank otter
#

raise her

#

she can do like 5k for each gem within ult

#

and she shoots like 20

ashen cliff
#

Bro.

#

My Childe does 13k+ per hit.

#

🛌

frank otter
#

go fight oceanaid

#

and is that with vaporise

ashen cliff
#

Just don't use charged. kekwhyper

frank otter
#

rust?

ashen cliff
#

No.

frank otter
#

which bow

ashen cliff
#

Blackcliff Warbow.

frank otter
#

is that crit damage substat

ashen cliff
#

Yes.

frank otter
#

I have basically given up on crits

#

none of my good main start arts have good subs

#

wait lemme find something

#

think that was it

ashen cliff
#

Def.

frank otter
#

pain.

#

the subs are good

worn ember
#

card games in 2021

frank otter
#

that's probably the single best subbed artifact I've ever gotten

frank otter
#

I lied it was this one

ashen cliff
#

Def.

frank otter
#

look at the substats tho

#

all I need is a hu tao that scales off def and not hp

ashen cliff
#

So Noel?

wispy blade
#

i dont fit in tbose bruh

frank otter
#

but that's just healing

#

I do kinda need a healer tho ig

#

I have diona

ashen cliff
#

🛌

untold copper
#

qiqi is op healer ngl

frank otter
#

yet

frank otter
#

she shield

ashen cliff
frank otter
#

she superconduct with fischl

serene bolt
#

I'm hu tao main so I need health all the time :(

frank otter
#

Nice sands

#

I pulled for hu tao but I had just gotten xiao so never got her

ashen cliff
#

Or BruhBruh C6.

untold copper
#

hutao

#

me no like hutao

#

hu tao cringe

frank otter
#

you're cringe

#

you don't like fischl

ashen cliff
umbral tiger
#

@twin lagoon BongoUhh

frank otter
#

Oh that's a nice feather

#

flower

twin lagoon
umbral tiger
#

seen my new domain Michael? kek

ashen cliff
#

Good thing I don't use it. kekwhyper

twin lagoon
#

no

umbral tiger
#

look in Suscraft

frank otter
#

one shot pyro plant

ashen cliff
untold copper
#

razor > fischl

frank otter
#

why tho

#

fischl is fast attacking

#

ez superconduct

#

lots of energy all the time

#

and works with rust or her own bow

#

plus she's cute and so is her bird

untold copper
#

fischl is flat

#

baal > la signora > jean

#

need to update the waifu list smh

ashen cliff
#

Bro.

#

Kinda cringe.

frank otter
#

which is true

#

but fischl is still the best bow user imo

untold copper
frank otter
#

krusic is it worth rasing childe

ashen cliff
#

Yes.*

frank otter
#

I only have one hydro damage goblet and its on my mona atm

#

Is is worth wrecking mona for childe

untold copper
#

i literally have no good hydro chars

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except bruhbruh

ashen cliff
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Mona is only good for [redacted].

frank otter
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...

untold copper
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[redacted].

frank otter
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I'm not sure I get it

untold copper
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Neither am I.

ashen cliff
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Too young.

untold copper
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mona got dem thighs tho

frank otter
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damn it krusic

frank otter
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I have both

worn ember
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Day 69 of yeeting the weebs: slam dunked 3 weebs today

untold copper
frank otter
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eula and mona work rlly well together

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freeze spam n all

untold copper
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eula is overrated just saying

frank otter
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I like her a lot

untold copper
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i dont like her much

frank otter
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she's very satisfying to play

untold copper
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kazuha is insanely satisfying

frank otter
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my fischl probably out-dpses her but not my very much

untold copper
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literally just yanfei E + kazuha E (hold) + razor E (hold)

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and repeat.

frank otter
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overloaded hmm

untold copper
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pyro --> swirl --> pyro --> swirl -->overload

frank otter
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ult spamming with eula, and mona and fischl is my satisfying

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the latest event is a lot of fun

untold copper
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havent played

worn ember
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"oh gluten" lmao

golden gust
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Steven He is bae

frank otter
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there is a Rory api