general

[worthy geode]

Not really any emulation at all

[pallid raptor]

Huh

[worthy geode]

Servers on Bedrock can force clients to connect to another server, that's all that's happening

[pallid raptor]

Yeah ik using /transferserver

But you can’t connect to Java

As Java doesn’t need a port but bedrock does

[worthy geode]

Ah, Geyser. Also not really emulation, it just translates packets from one format to the other

[pallid raptor]

Yeah that’s the one

I heard it converts them from C++ to Java?

Idfk I’m not that far into networking yet

[worthy geode]

It's not related to the language either. Basically the Java client expects packets to look a certain way (e.g. the spawn entity packet starts with entity type, then ID, then equipment) and the Bedrock client expects packets that look different (e.g. ID, equipment, type) and Geyser just translates between those two, similar to how you would translate a real language

[solid sapphire]

ello

[pallid raptor]

Yeah that’s fair

Like converting English to Chinese

[golden gust]

all computers do is move and process data

You can write code to deal with X data in whatever language you want

the java edition protocol is just a specification of how the data should look for java edition, same for bedrock

you can write the logic to throw that data around in whatever language you want, people have written a bedrock server in PHP

[pallid raptor]

Yup

Ik

Pocketmine is absolutely dead tho

Half the plugins don’t even work or are no longer supported

And php is a pain sometimes

And Java is superior Lang tbh

Nukkit is sort of like bukkit, allows Java which is why it’s lasted for such a long time

[golden gust]

I mean, it's all down to the ecosystem; PHP is fine if you know what you're doing

[pallid raptor]

Yeah

That’s fair

[golden gust]

But, given that your mass market is generally gonna either be people creating datapacks or coming from java edition, it makes sense to write the server in java so people can transfer that knowledge over

[pallid raptor]

Yup and if your just gonna be a different Lang than what millions of people are used to your not gonna get much traction

Php isn’t bad don’t get me wrong but when you’ve got something like Nukkit going against you for bedrock then your losing by a mile

[chrome quest]

Is there a command or plugin that lets me see all active entities in game?

[cedar zenith]

[little frost]

quadruple digits hell yeah

[worthy geode]

"Battles for might, land, glory and lag"

[chrome quest]

Paper entity list will work for me. Thanks

I wanted to see how many creepers are actually in the farm.

[warm anchor]

@chrome quest https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/entitydetection-tile-entity-support.20588/ this one will be able to show you where they are (a lot more useful if you aint the only person online)

[vestal jasper]

@warm anchor uwu

[warm anchor]

hello josh

[chrome quest]

Thanks.

[solid sapphire]

Remind me to update my production server to linux please.

[grand pewter]

use linux

[solid sapphire]

i will

the time i was deploying it the only thing i had was a win7 cd lol

[warm anchor]

People install windows with a cd still???

[solid sapphire]

yes

i had one old one lying around

[warm anchor]

This reminds me

Anyone remember when ubuntu would send you a disk if you just fill up a form

I forgot when this was

[tribal flicker]

Back with disaster 😛
It seems like when we reach a certain amount of players, 1 of our machines that has wings and our database, explodes. This has a domino effect on the rest of my servers on other machines as they are connected to the same database. I can't quite fix it as fast as I'd like to as when it happens. I can't load into pterodactyl to even stop the servers but here is some of the error messages https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/853360476050423878/879855085021188107/unknown.png
We definitely aren't using all the CPU or RAM on the servers hosted on this machine that also has the database. Any ideas on what I should check? Maybe some SQL setting or something

[solid sapphire]

yeah

[south matrix]

#paper-help usin database on main thread...

[timid schooner]

https://i.imgur.com/RqyDusz.png

[unkempt drift]

lol

[solid sapphire]

lol

[void void]

can anyone help in #paper-help pls

[solid sapphire]

wait

we are humans too

[warm anchor]

I still have my cd somewhere

Holy shit it was 2005??

[solid sapphire]

ok now i feel like a baby

i was 5 and iirc my father showed me that

[warm anchor]

It was magical back then

[solid sapphire]

:hhaayes:

[warm anchor]

Coz they would just MAIL you a free copy!

[solid sapphire]

yes

oh i forgot i went back to my original name lol

supotco ccame like this

me buy mc win 10

set name as octopus

then make discord acc

name it to supotco(reverse of octopus)

and then i bought a pug.

actually no it didnt begin with discord

[golden gust]



[warm anchor]

Wtf zcat so fast

[golden gust]

SANIC GO FAST ZOOM ZOOM

[solid sapphire]

i dont have the unicode character in any font pack then,

[warm anchor]

https://ubuntu.com/blog/shipit-comes-to-an-end

Sad

[solid sapphire]

remind me to instal fonts-deva pls

isint ubunt just debian but debian?

rust is c but c

my production is broken af lol

[vernal moth]

No you just can't type

Isn't it chkdsk?

(please say yes or I'll look stupid)

[solid sapphire]

ah right

has been forever since i use dwinfos lol

remember the time i had to print this out in big font to make sure the milkman dosent leave the gate open because he saw my dog and got scared and run away?

fun times.

[solid sapphire]

nifght

[ashen cliff]

I see Reddit got an upgrade:

Thanks Chrome.

[solid sapphire]

[wispy blade]

woke up in the middle of the night dehydrated af and went back to sleep instead of doing something about it

[solid sapphire]

good.

[marble lark]

ouch

[solid sapphire]

speaking of that WHY THE heck is there a spider on my bed

Selling home. infested with spiders for free.

[ashen cliff]

Just chilling there.

Eating that one annoying bed bug.

[solid sapphire]

i dont jhave bed bugs tho

[ashen cliff]

Now you don't.

[solid sapphire]

yes

but now i have shat myself.

[wispy blade]

ew

[marble lark]

ew is right lmaoo

[solid sapphire]

i mean i was abouit to jump on it

and i have a horrible fear os fpiders

[ashen cliff]

Simple. Just don't.

[solid sapphire]

for context: this is the spider

[vestal jasper]

nononononononono

[ashen cliff]

So same spider as before?

[solid sapphire]

yes

except

its cousin

i killed it

[marble lark]

do what dumbass me did and punch the spider

[solid sapphire]

k

nvm too scared

lemme get a broom

[marble lark]

lolol

[solid sapphire]

fuuuu its under my blakcet now

[marble lark]

hit the spider if he's under your blanket then

no risk of touching

or getting bit

[solid sapphire]

idk where inder my blanket tho

[marble lark]

to be honest I'm confused as to how bugs can even penetrate our skin to begin with

[solid sapphire]

ah yes killed it

[marble lark]

the hell kind of stingers do they use

[solid sapphire]

it almost climbed up my broom

[marble lark]

LOL

[solid sapphire]

why the fuck is there another one in my closet.

[wispy blade]

gay spider waiting to come out

[solid sapphire]

am just gonna eat launch and h\ope it goes away.

[ashen cliff]

Just looking around my room, there are currently 6 spiders.

Just chilling in the corners and eating the stupid mosquitoes.

[solid sapphire]

f

[ashen cliff]

It's nice to be fair.

[marble lark]

LMAO

[marble lark]

screw mosquitoes in general

except the giant ones they're cool

the giant mosquitoes don't suck blood

[ashen cliff]

Those just look at you funny.

Like, welcome back home bro, thanks for letting me stay in the house.

[solid sapphire]

fuck its inside my clothes

[ashen cliff]

my

I think they used to be yours now.

[solid sapphire]

yes

[twin lagoon]

@vestal jasper uwu

[void void]

did all tuinity patches moved to paper rn?

[coarse lily]

Not yet. Still in progress.

Leaf’s probably testing everything to make sure it works right and stuff so it may take a bit. No small undertaking but lots of great improvements in Tuinity so worth the wait.

[void void]

Didnt know Mini was in Amsterdam

[vernal moth]

Shit I have been exposed

(go visit the exhibition it's great)

[worn crest]

Amsterdam

[normal sage]

can anyone help me
i am facing a problem
whenever a player leaves the server after taking damage he automatically dies

[twin lagoon]

you already posted in paper-help

be patient

[vernal moth]

Already got warned ^^

[wide chasm]

I saw an ad of that along a highway a couple of days ago, instantly thought of you too

[solid sapphire]

chanting noises to apt so that it wont fuck all my data cause all my backups are dead

noo not nvidia drivers

jkjk

alr 40%

ill update ya all at 80

done, lemme reboot

gnome has changes

[worn ember]

Lol when I'm listening to music on Bluetooth and I move to another room it automatically connects to the system in the other room xD having audio devices around your house is nice

[toxic bone]

I'm going to cry

[plucky sparrow]

rip those pins

[worn ember]

Just solder on new ones 😂😂

[native wolf]

Yeah

If you manage to do that you basically got a decent CPU for 50 bucks

[wispy blade]

grind paid off 💪

[worn ember]

the time spend on it is probably gonna end up costing the same as you buying a new cpu lol

[twin lagoon]

@warm anchor

[wispy blade]

@twin lagoon goeiemorgen

[worn ember]

ew kaas

[wispy blade]

ew belg

[worn ember]

you cant say that

[wispy blade]

i can

i just did

[worn ember]

[wispy blade]

wtf

[native wolf]

Paper general moment

[wispy blade]

no

not yet

[pallid raptor]

I forgot I could edit my server close message

[worn ember]

wtf hating

[lilac wharf]

You’ll u not just sand it flat then put it in an intel socket 😆

[toxic bone]

the obvious solution

[pallid raptor]

It can take like 5 mins to restart my paper mc server because of my plugins 😂

[worn crest]

My normal servers need about 8 seconds until the message appears and citybuild with a bunch of plugins 21 seconds but no 5min

[wispy blade]

3s to start my test server B)

[pallid raptor]

Yeah I think it’s because it’s doing stuff as I sid update recently

It didn’t do it when I just booted it up which is nice but it did do it when I was installing plugins and stuff

[worn crest]

about 13 plugins I have on the normal server so 8 seconds are realistic

[cobalt eagle]

Is there a way to allow sand duping on paper servers?

[wispy blade]

no

use spigot if you want to dupe sand

[ocean axle]

for so long time

[worn ember]

needs to say cyka blyat

[ocean axle]

sam tskoy

pisdun

[worn ember]

[ocean axle]

хахахахааахаха

[wispy blade]

english only :p

[ocean axle]

xui Bam

[cobalt eagle]

Does spigot work with geyser?

[wispy blade]

ask geyser

[worn ember]

isnt geyser just a plugin?

https://ci.opencollab.dev//job/GeyserMC/job/Geyser/job/master/

[toxic bone]

GeyserMC

GeyserMC

[left swift]

Everyone always say ask geyser but no one say who geyser

[worn ember]

whomst

[left swift]

I got a tattoo yesterday

Pogchamp moment

[worn ember]

is it the mc dirtblock?

[left swift]

Yes how u no

[worn ember]

i know simps when i see them

[left swift]

Oh good idea speaking of simps

A pokimane tattoo with a creeper face

Ded so good with ideas

[worn ember]

yes

make sure its on your forehead so you'll never find a job again

[left swift]

U can find a job with face tattoos

[worn ember]

nice joke

[left swift]

Just not retail but who would wanna do retail 🤢

[worn ember]

not any job that deals with customers really

[left swift]

Depends on the job

[worn ember]

you can be in a callcenter

[left swift]

Like if ur a tattoo artist it wont matter

Or an uber driver

Probably most delivery jobs

[worn ember]

you could work for indian scamtech center

[left swift]

Indian apple tech & virus cleaner

Wirus

[wispy blade]

mmmmm i love shogi

[left swift]

You could be eternity paid assistant with a pokimane creeper face tattoo

[wispy blade]

lol no

[warm anchor]

Nioma can fit in my community easily tbh

[left swift]

Right eternity cant afford someone that good

[warm anchor]

She weeb

[wispy blade]

i could

but i dont want to

[warm anchor]

[worn ember]

weebs destroy lives

[wispy blade]

why would i join a server with cute emotes i can't use anywhere else!

[warm anchor]

Buy nitro

Stop being poor

[left swift]

Eternity pays assistants in nitro subscriptions

[wispy blade]

cant not be poor

buying more ram for monkegame

that or new mic so i can make paper plugin tutorials

[left swift]

I need to know how to install p2

[wispy blade]

p2?

[left swift]

Plotsquared

[wispy blade]

ah

[left swift]

[wispy blade]

no i mean like making paper plugins

[left swift]

Grosd

[wispy blade]

inb4 cat comes and tells me off

[left swift]

Papermc dead platform

[worn ember]

spigot best platform

[wispy blade]

https://kennytv.eu/secretgraph

how dead?

[left swift]

What's that new yatopia fork called again

Yatopia 2: electric boogaloo

[wispy blade]

SugarcaneMC

right?

[worn ember]

can you tell when the update came out?

[left swift]

Mmm that graph got hourglass curve

[wispy blade]

hang on

man

wont send

f

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/729653992702869544/878684371035492403/2021-08-21-1857-39.png

i saw this during my weekly deviantart checkup

[worn ember]

why did i think it was a good idea to click

[ashen cliff]

score:questionable rating:<0

[wispy blade]

you saw deviantart

yet you still clicked

[worn ember]

blocked

[wispy blade]

the comic that panel was from was uh

interesting

||Like Clockwork by ibenz009||

[left swift]

[marble lark]

Y'all is there a way for forks to use this task

Have a bunch of patches in the non-Mojang mappings from 1.16.5 before Paperweight was used in the main project

Don't really feel like rewriting all of them again

[minor badge]

drop the patches into paper and try remapping them here instead

might be worth doing so on 1.16 first

[solid sapphire]

lightmode = ban!!11 ||/j||

[mental meadow]

heloooo

[left swift]

New pic?

[plucky sparrow]

is that what worries you?

look at the taskbar

it needs pages

[wispy blade]

worse than LethalEthan8

[plucky sparrow]

who the fuck adds so many apps to their taskbar?????

[solid sapphire]

me

[plucky sparrow]

You can pin them to start for a reason 😕

[wispy blade]

also keeping the search box instead of just pressing windows buttons and typing 🤢

[plucky sparrow]

fr

[solid sapphire]

just use linux 😎

[plucky sparrow]

and the cortana icon..

[wispy blade]

i already do 😎

on the laptop

@red timber e

[plucky sparrow]

i have fedora installed on my pc but I haven't used it since I installed it

[red timber]

what

[wispy blade]

e.

[red timber]

e.

but ok node.js nerds, what templating library would you suggest for doing simple html rendering?

e.g i have body html and need to replace body & title

[plucky sparrow]

electron

[wispy blade]

barebones g

no libraries needed

[red timber]

i remember mustache.js or something back in the days

[solid sapphire]

Welcome to kernel.org.

:pain: time to update prod to 11

[wispy blade]

yeah gonna do that soon as well

[solid sapphire]

lemme send a pic of prod

[wispy blade]

going back home on friday

my prod:

[plucky sparrow]

I'm switching to Windows for a while

[pallid raptor]

I was wondering why I couldn’t connect to my server and then I saw that my sever provider is having issues

[plucky sparrow]

I'm actually starting to like IntelliJ on windows

[solid sapphire]

send pls

My prod

any sec now

there

yes lol

alr update tine

first route all traffic to dev server :pain:

fuck this monitor no have vga

[left swift]

Wtf

[wispy blade]

damn that's cursed

[solid sapphire]

yes

[wispy blade]

cpus?

[solid sapphire]

wdym

[wispy blade]

what cpus are in your prod

[solid sapphire]

Intel 650 something

It's only 1

Not many

[wispy blade]

cuz i host my friend's network on a single FX-6300

hotbox server

[left swift]

Pls

[solid sapphire]

[left swift]

[solid sapphire]

How cursed is my prod out of 10 btw

[left swift]

4

Could be worse

Atleast they're in cases

[solid sapphire]

Goodd

Would send more pics but don't wanna. Do face reveal

Ok time to transfer network card

[vernal moth]

Don't wanna do face reveal either cause am not shaved

But company is trying to bribe us to come back into the office with free vegan ice cream

But, 200 IQ me just comes for the ice cream and then cycles back home 😂

[solid sapphire]

Loo

[solid sapphire]

Fuck my facial hair is not growing

I have plenty of head hair th o

[vernal moth]

Wanna trade your head hair with my beard? 😂

[solid sapphire]

Yes

[pallid raptor]

vegan

[mossy vessel]

Clearly vegan, nobody likes meat in their ice cream

[solid sapphire]

[warm anchor]

bacon bites ice cream

[solid sapphire]

Wait

What is bacon lol

[mossy vessel]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/bacon/images/c/c1/Bacon_ice.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/249?cb=20111229231030 yummy

[twin lagoon]

@mossy vessel

[mossy vessel]

michele 👀

[pallid raptor]

Huh weird I got an illegal state exception error

I mean it’s fine now for some reason

[obtuse jasper]

we don't really know what you're talking about

[solid sapphire]

yes

[obtuse jasper]

you can get the illegal state exception from many things

not explaining it to us or not giving us the error

will not make us understand

[pallid raptor]

Yeah it was a time or token thing

I rejoined and it worked

Here’s the error if your interested

It’s fine now

[obtuse jasper]

We don't give support for bedrock here

[pallid raptor]

Yeah ik that’s why I said to forget about it

And that it’s fine now

[vernal moth]

Bedrock is never fine

[solid sapphire]

yes

[pallid raptor]

Yeah ik never is terrible api

[solid sapphire]

ugrock

[obtuse jasper]

I really like their menus tbh

[solid sapphire]

keyroad_roke

[pallid raptor]

I dig the rotating background and menu ui when you boot the game up but that’s it

The rest is just terrible

[vernal moth]

U really sure about that?

[solid sapphire]

yes

[obtuse jasper]

someone is getting bald at a young age :/

[vernal moth]

Nice that you think that I am young 😂

[obtuse jasper]

30s?

[vernal moth]

😂 😂 😂

[obtuse jasper]

how old are you then 😛

[vernal moth]

24 😂

[obtuse jasper]

not that old then

[vernal moth]

But that's not young, 1/4 of my life has passed already

[obtuse jasper]

not yet

[vernal moth]

My life expectancy isn't much higher than 90 😂

For that I drink too much

[solid sapphire]

heap_my_keybord_broke_af

[vernal moth]

Beard actually doesn't look as bad on the pic, google does magic

[minor badge]

You're looking ripe, Mini

[obtuse jasper]

you're from germany, you can blame your nationality for that if you want

[vernal moth]

Looks much worse in person

My beard has the nice tendency to get orange

[warm anchor]

I think you can rock that bald look

or grow your beard out for that epic upside down blush look

[twin lagoon]

@minor badge

BEST mari

[minor badge]

@twin lagoon

[vernal moth]

Lmao

[ashen cliff]

Go full bald bro!

[obtuse jasper]

just let your beard grow

and go bald

[limber knot]

lol you almost look like a friend of mine, same glasses and head shape you just need a longer beard

[vernal moth]

My head is differently shaped than on that pic

I got these edges and stuff and just generally a giant head

[obtuse jasper]

tbh the filter just makes people look like an egg

[vernal moth]

Maybe I should rock a mono brow

[solid sapphire]

yes

[vernal moth]

Anyways, I gotta go back to work, lmao

[worn crest]

oh no 😦 writing here is better

[dusk drift]

Looking sexy bald

[pallid raptor]

Hey Vsauce, Michale here!

[marble lark]

ight will try that thanks Proxi

[marble lark]

On a browser..?

[limber knot]

why would you use lightmode in your browser?!?

[marble lark]

I totally didn't add every single game I have on my PC to the taskbar

[marble lark]

to be fair I didn't bother changing it

I did set everything else to dark mode but I don't mind light mode either

[limber knot]

does your browser not use your operating systems dark mode?

[marble lark]

not that I'm aware of anyway

[marble lark]

I'm guessing I only need to run gradle remapPatches? Cause the instructions in the comments reference another task that I can't find, which leads me to believe they're outdated

[obtuse jasper]

I usually use light theme everywhere just made my OS change it automatically at night, dark theme is hurting your eyes without you knowing.

https://www.forbes.com/uk/advisor/mobile-phones/what-is-dark-mode-and-should-you-be-using-it/

[olive marlin]

What you linked literally says there are studies showing conflicting information about black vs white modes.

[prisma rampart]

I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re refering to as Paper, is in fact, Spigot/Paper, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, Spigot plus Paper. Paper is not a server implementation unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning Spigot server made useful by the Spigot corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full server. Many server owners run a modified version of the Spigot system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of Spigot which is widely used today is often called Paper, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the Spigot system, developed by the Spigot Project.
There really is a Paper, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Paper is the fork: the program that adds more API to Spigot. The fork is an essential part of a server system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete Spigot system. Paper is normally used in combination with the Spigot API: the whole system is basically Spigot with Paper added, or Spigot/Paper. All the so-called Paper forks are really distributions of Spigot/Paper!

[native wolf]

When the hard fork happens that wouldn't make any sense anymore lol

[pallid raptor]

Holy shit my ram usage is high on my server

It sits at half way to 3/4ths :/

[mossy vessel]

This is a great copy pasta

[pallid raptor]

Yes

[left swift]

What the fuck

[magic river]

Classic rms

[queen rose]

hello, what happened when ticks are skipped?

are events at any time skipped from calling?

[magic river]

Ticks aren't skipped in Paper, are they?

That was a vanilla thing

[queen rose]

what about spigot?

[magic river]

Who cares? 😛

[queen rose]

i have to support both spigot and paper

[magic river]

It's the block scheduler that it's skipping things from

Redstone, water flow, etc

[queen rose]

anything related to explosion/break/place?

[magic river]

No, only the vanilla block tick scheduler

The only reason an event would be skipped is because the action never happened to begin with

[queen rose]

what about BlockStates

can at any time a blockstate expire?

[magic river]

What?

Those words don't make sense together, as far as I know

[queen rose]

i'm having a restore system which uses the BlockState api

The one that's in bukkit api

[magic river]

Yeah that's going to fail

[queen rose]

oh really?

when are they failing?

[magic river]

Just go steal the ones from WorldEdit, LogBlock, or CoreProtect

A working restore/paste system is full of edge cases and as far as I know cannot be done with just the Bukkit API

[queen rose]

i did it but the only issue is that sometimes and only on 1 guy's server some random blocks are left behind

[vernal moth]

Lek

[marble lark]

Wait if Paper hard-forked how would we still keep the Bukkit API and all the upstream patches Spigot made

Unless Paper's planning to rewrite everything we need from upstream maybe

i dunno

[limber knot]

wat

please read up on what a "hard fork" is

[marble lark]

ok

all I'm getting is bitcoin mining for some reason

[left swift]

Exactly

And that's why paper coin is going to the moon

🚀

[marble lark]

lmao

[left swift]

Invest now #PaperCoin

[olive marlin]

https://madelinemiller.dev/blog/paper-hard-fork/

[limber knot]

there is literally zero difference between what a bitcoin/crypto hardfork and a normal hardfork is

[left swift]

Phoenix

Have you been staying inside your 1 hour daily limit of paper help

[marble lark]

A "hard fork" in Paper would mean detaching itself from Spigot. This change would mean Paper is its own project and must update both the API and the server itself.
Wasn't this what I was saying just now though

[twin lagoon]

no

half

[olive marlin]

Paper will pull all the changes spigot has into our repo.

[marble lark]

ight

[olive marlin]

So now Paper will maintain those patches.

[marble lark]

yeah that's all I was curious about

[olive marlin]

And remove bukkit/spigot submodules etc.

[limber knot]

a "hard fork" just means that you make changes incompatible with the upstream project

it says nothing about whether or not upstream changes are still going to get pulled or not

[marble lark]

is Paper planning on keeping (And updating) the CraftBukkit + Bukkit APIs in the future by themselves though

[marble lark]

yeah i get it

[limber knot]

your question makes no sense

[marble lark]

i guess I confused it for something else

[limber knot]

Bukkit API doesn't exist

it's part of Spigot-API which is part of Paper-API

(and craftbukkit has been dead for years now)

[marble lark]

yeah I meant the org.bukkit packages

[magic river]

The point of the fork would be to break things though

Otherwise why bother

[limber knot]

no, it's only a hard fork IF it breaks things

if it doesn't break anything it's not a hard fork

[marble lark]

I thought it was just so Paper didn't need to use Spigot's mappings

[limber knot]

it doesn't

[magic river]

That would already break most plugins

[marble lark]

Doesn't it at the moment remap Spigot's Source to Mojang names though?

instead of directly remapping the jar to Mojang

[marble lark]

oh

[limber knot]

no plugin would break due to mappings changes, only mods break

[magic river]

Using my own terminology against me 😛

But most plugins these days seem to be mods

[limber knot]

pretty sure they aren't

unfortunately spigot doesn't allow mass-downloading but that would be pretty easy to check otherwise ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[marble lark]

honestly the only distinction I have is that mods can add new items while plugins only work with what's already there, otherwise I have no idea how to differentiate them

[limber knot]

but assuming that the ratio is similar to how premium resources do it I would say about 5% of plugins use internal stuff

plugins = using the plugin API

mods = using anything that isn't the plugin API

[magic river]

I suppose there might be more plugins that still only use the API but if you adjust for usage I think it'd be safe to say most servers would break since the most popular plugins do it

[limber knot]

I guess

[marble lark]

wait so after the hard fork only plugins using internals will break then? god this is confusing af

[limber knot]

would be good though, that would force people to finally contribute the functionality they actually need as api

[marble lark]

pretty sure most servers use their own build of Spigot

[marble lark]

is that a reply to ama or me

[limber knot]

you are still not understanding what a hard fork is...

[magic river]

No, there are plans for API changes too

[limber knot]

a real hard fork would mean that there is api changes

[marble lark]

oh

[limber knot]

internal changes don't really matter and are a "suck it up" kind of thing

[magic river]

Parts of the API barely made sense 10 years ago and don't actually even work now

Some are barely limping along

[limber knot]

plugin authors have to manually add support for each new minecraft version's internals anyways

if the mappings change it doesn't matter for them

[marble lark]

fair enough

[formal turret]

*looks at all the plugins that directly use nbt *

nbt is an implementation detail

[magic river]

The only place NBT as API makes any sense is items and I think PDC is a better API there anyway

[unkempt drift]

Well… there is the whole custom spawner situation

[magic river]

mojangson in commands almost makes NBT just a public thing but not quite

Custom spawner API would work fine if the Bukkit API wasn't shit 😛

[unkempt drift]

Having a spawner spawn a zombie riding a bat and the zombie wearing enchanted armor

But since the Bukkit api relies on spawning mobs to create them… that doesn’t work out too great

[magic river]

If the API had a concept of entity data separate from an entity existing you could just have an array of that on a spawner and bam, you have an API

[unkempt drift]

Wait, almost let that slip through… someone who worked on the Bukkit api, calling it bad???? 😛😛😛

[magic river]

You could halfass it today by just making an "Entity" that doesn't exist in the world but that would confuse people if they tried to call like half the API

[unkempt drift]

Yeah, I’ve thought about that. Wouldn’t you have to add like 50 classes for all the mobs again tho?

[magic river]

Probably

We wanted to do EntityMeta and BlockMeta to match ItemMeta

That's when I decided ECS was probably a better idea but when we started discussing the scope of either way of doing it we got really apathetic about the whole project because we realized it'd be more work than everything that had been done on CraftBukkit so far and the end result would be a Bukkit 2.0 completely incompatible with all plugins

Then people made Sponge which is basically what we wanted to do 😛

tldr: Why aren't you using Sponge yet?

[static badge]

has it updated

[magic river]

You're supposed to do that part too but yeah, they have 1.17 builds

[tropic flame]

https://variety.com/2021/digital/news/onlyfans-drops-porn-ban-sexually-explicit-policy-1235048705/

in other words, "OnlyFans decides to stay in business"

[magic river]

We in this case was me and Wolv, btw

[cunning raft]

interesting

i wonder if they came to a deal with payment processors

[magic river]

Probably feildmaster too, not sure about the others

[cunning raft]

probably citing the age verification you need to sign up there?

[magic river]

I mean, we did all quit at the same time 😛

[tropic flame]

the article says something along those lines

[ashen cliff]

Just wait for the rules to be exactly the same as JAV censorship rules.

[marble lark]

Entity Component Systems?

[magic river]

Yeah

[marble lark]

that's the second time I've heard of that

[magic river]

Sponge didn't go the whole way, afaik they don't let you make systems

But the Data API is more or less components

[marble lark]

first time was while doing a collab with Nukkit

still have no idea what that is

[magic river]

If you're making a video game and don't know what ECS is you're probably making the game wrong 😄

[marble lark]

also wouldn't you have to rewrite every entity class since Mojang already implemented it their own way

[marble lark]

I just followed Mojang's way of extending classes lmao

[magic river]

Yeah, but that design is why you can't make a player that has AI goals

You have to make a whole new entity that pretends to be a player in its packets and then patch everything that works with players to also know how to deal with it

[marble lark]

public class EntityPlayerFake extends EntityHuman

xd

I'm kidding

don't kill me

[magic river]

EntityHuman can't have AI goals either, afaik

[marble lark]

Yeah I am aware of that

only classes extending Insentient can

[static badge]

aren't half the players in this game "bots" anyways

[magic river]

I mean, you could tack them on yourself from scratch but the class that has all the scaffolding and tick logic set up isn't in the Player hierarchy

With an ECS setup you could just add the relevant components to any entity and then the AI system would work on them

[marble lark]

yep all the logic is in EntityInsentient

[pallid raptor]

Gonna buy some apex hosting soon is it good?

[marble lark]

well it's called Mob now since we're using Mojang names but the old class/method names stuck with me for some reason

[marble lark]

this isn't Team Fortress 2 my guy

[true canyon]

I was just emotional support on that one.

[magic river]

lol, I meant that point being when we kind of gave up on the project

[true canyon]

Quitter! No more support for you!

[marble lark]

I mean I can see why

You'd have to rewrite everything Mojang already has there

[true canyon]

Speaking of interesting design decisions

Raised the average mountain height, fixing an unintentional change from snapshot 4 that made mountains lower and smoother. But then we had to lower the mountain height again to fit the peakier peaks, so maybe it evens out. We deliberately avoid having peaks or mountains that go above y260 or so, because we want players to have space to build cool stuff on the peaks. So any peaks that try to sneak too high up get mercilessly cut off into a plateau.

"Our code makes high peaks, so we just chop them instead of figuring out why they're too high and fixing it."

[magic river]

Well, no, we weren't looking to let you attach component to places where they didn't make sense with vanilla

That was a maybe in the future kind of thing

[marble lark]

what

why

[formal turret]

worldgen code lul

[marble lark]

why would you not want hig peaks

[magic river]

We wanted to expose vanilla functionality via an ItemMeta-like or ECS-like API

[quasi valley]

why would you want high peaks

[formal turret]

because we want players to have space to build cool stuff on the peaks

[true canyon]

IIRC wasn't customizing spawners via API part of it?

[formal turret]

that's why they don't want them too high

[marble lark]

cause they're cool

the short mountains we have now are lame

[magic river]

Yeah, mob spawners is why EntityMeta talk started

[quasi valley]

having high mountains has nothing todo with peaky height

[marble lark]

1000IQ move: Raise build height

and then MC crashes cause some idiot built up to the integer limit

[magic river]

It makes sense, ItemMeta is an API for the NBT on items, EntityMeta would be for the NBT on spawners (but also apply to entities in general via serializing them to NBT for "saving", iirc)

[static badge]

i've seen the gen calls for this stuff

scary as hell, a total disaster

[magic river]

I think I ended up convincing Wolv ItemMeta was the wrong design too

[marble lark]

what's it like

[static badge]

a total disaster?

[vernal moth]

World gen is hard 😂

[waxen panther]

no but leaf what is it like

[static badge]

shutup you fucking weeb

[vernal moth]

But don't forget, the code we see in these snapshots isn't the code Mojang works on right now

[magic river]

Of course that was like 2 releases after we shipped ItemMeta so...

[marble lark]

can't exactly deny that

[vernal moth]

So there's hope

[static badge]

like the last hundred times they fucked it up

[vernal moth]

Once we see the actual snapshots we can start complaining to them

At this point, the code in the experimental snapshots is almost half a year outdated most likely

[true canyon]

I don't understand that part. Why are they doing that?

[true canyon]

Clearly you just needed more unit tests

[vernal moth]

Two different teams mbax

3 actually

[marble lark]

ngl while most of the new mountains in 1.18 are epic as hell some of them looked like the time I raised Pocketmine's terrain ground cover values while doing a PR

[vernal moth]

Gameplay team had to ship 1.17, tech team continued working on 1.18

And it didn't get merged back together yet

[true canyon]

So there's going to be a horrifying DAY OF RECKONING when they try to merge 😄

[magic river]

Yeah, he started bragging it was the best tested and implemented version of that design but that the design was a bit of a deadend 😄

[marble lark]

can we petition the best Paper maintainers we have to join Mojang

C:

[vernal moth]

We can work more effective from the outside

Cause we are free from the internal politics

Writing code at a big company is fun

[marble lark]

all that aside I thought Mojang's dev team wasn't that big

[magic river]

That kind of brain drain from the community has happened a few times now, doesn't seem to do what people hope

[vernal moth]

They surely got 20 people now?

[magic river]

The project they worked on either dies or limps along without them but they don't accomplish as much working directly on the game as you'd expect

[vernal moth]

Pretty sure they working in 3 teams

[marble lark]

All i remember is the Aether's original creator joined them

[marble lark]

what's causing this though?

[true canyon]

I'm sure the former Bukkit team will have that API out any day now 🙂

[magic river]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-zthYFjk6s

[marble lark]

new minds -> more inspiration and innovation, or at least that's what it should be?

[marble lark]

what team?

lmao

[waxen panther]

?

[magic river]

Bukkit folks got in there and realized it wasn't just the obfuscation, the code was just ass

[waxen panther]

do you think bukkit just appeared one day?

[marble lark]

that's not what I meant

[magic river]

They've spent the last decade trying to clean it up while also adding new features

[marble lark]

there's no longer much of a team last I heard

[true canyon]

Remember that time we remapped one of the empty decompiled classes to ModdingApi in mc-dev? 🤣

[magic river]

Talking about Dinnerbone, Grum, EvilSeph, and Tahg

[waxen panther]

former bukkit team

[marble lark]

and then there's Paper

[marble lark]

how do you remap an empty class

[magic river]

Paper is hacks 😛

[vernal moth]

Seph and tahg did quit, right?

[true canyon]

Yep

[vernal moth]

Bone is mostly management now, and I haven't heard from grum in ages

[true canyon]

I think it was tahg first.

[magic river]

Grum used to work on making European internet run, gave it up to make a block game 😛

[twin lagoon]

dinnerbone is pretty interesting, streams on twitch now

never knew bukkit was named after an irc bot

[true canyon]

I like to imagine grum's just sitting in a corner, quietly refactoring code since 2012, undisturbed. Occasionally a big refactor commit shows up in the codebase and they remember he's there.

[magic river]

He was a network engineer at RIPE, iirc

[void void]

Thanks for the recommendation, expo was fun!

[vernal moth]

Oh you actually went? Nice!

[quasi valley]

Dinnerbone has been on pause since last december to take care of himself

[vernal moth]

It's the kinda art I can appreciate

[marble lark]

given the complexity of the PRs Paper has I really doubt so

[magic river]

Yeah every now and then some new registry or the flattening happens and people remember Grum still exists 😄

[vernal moth]

Life starts once you got kids, right?
Right?!

[marble lark]

nowadays people only remember Agnes and Brandon (Aether mod guy)

[quasi valley]

little babybone

[vernal moth]

Last I checked grum was sitting on a giant pile of branches, whenever you suggested an idea to do something different, he was like, I got a branch for that

[magic river]

I didn't even know the Aether dev worked for Mojang

[vernal moth]

Joined early last year

[twin lagoon]

since last year or so

[marble lark]

it was revealed quite some time ago

[true canyon]

I have no idea who either of these are

[marble lark]

during 1.17's announcement

[magic river]

Probably because I didn't know who the Aether dev was or that it still existed 😄

[quasi valley]

"revealed"?

[vernal moth]

Together with xeliphan or whatever, Felix, the rendering guy that finished searge's rendering refactor to the shader stuff

[marble lark]

Brandon Pearce is the original dev of the Aether mod

[vernal moth]

Agnes is gameplay director or something?

[marble lark]

shh I'm high

[marble lark]

I thought she was a head dev or something

oops

rendering refactor to the shader stuff
wat

[magic river]

Meanwhile the TerraFirmaCraft devs went off and made their own game that has a modding API and seems to work pretty well

[marble lark]

and then there's Hytale

[vernal moth]

Agnes is lead of gameplay team and sliced lead of tech team iirc

[marble lark]

speaking of Hytale I completely forgot it existed until now

ah

[true canyon]

Pretty sure the only Mojang folks I know by name are jeb, the bukkit folks, searge, and the guy who told me to go fuck myself

[marble lark]

and the guy who told me to go fuck myself
uhh

[vernal moth]

Sliced is cool, Brandon and Felix the new ones are cool, Agnes is cool

Those are the ones I know on top of what you said

There's fry but he never interacts with people much

[marble lark]

mbax what happened lmao

[vernal moth]

Oh hendrijk is cool, he made the gametest framework iirc, he's like part time agile coach

Oh I forgot Cory

[marble lark]

is that the thing about the Hadean engine or whatever it was called

[vernal moth]

Cory is tropic craft guy

[vernal moth]

No. It's an integration test framework

[marble lark]

god my memory is trash

oh

[true canyon]

21:56 < UltraMoogleMan> I see at least one person I would like to kick from this channel
21:59 <+Amaranth> UltraMoogleMan: That would be awfully petty of you
22:00 < UltraMoogleMan> Well, I wasn't referring to you
22:01 <+CubeTheThird> 😦
22:02 <+Amaranth> UltraMoogleMan: Doesn't change what I said 😛
22:03 < Galaxy_2Alex> hm? What did I do now? :/
22:09 < Mustek> you spilled coffee on the channel
22:10 < Galaxy_2Alex> oh no! D:
22:15 < UltraMoogleMan> Amaranth: Well, if you don't have any intention to continu contributing to the Minecraft community in general, just get the fuck out
22:15 < UltraMoogleMan> You, mbaxter, you can all fuck off
22:15 < UltraMoogleMan> I mean weren't you one of the three people along with me who was contracted to re-write the rendering engine? As far as I know I'm the only person who didn't just make an initial commit and then fuck off for the better part of a year. So please, continue fucking off
22:16 <+Amaranth> Yeah, I'm the one who spent a month helping you get a cube rendering. Doesn't see what that has to do with anything.

Memory wasn't accurate. It was to fuck off, not fuck myself. 😄

[formal turret]

lol

[magic river]

btw, I was supposed to work on making the UI packet driven so servers could draw custom things like it was X11 or something

But I didn't have a rendering system to plug in to because he couldn't get anything working

[true canyon]

😦

[formal turret]

was this for bukkit?

[magic river]

No, for Mojang

[formal turret]

oh, yall worked for mojang too?

[magic river]

Me, UltraMoogleMan, and Riking were contracted to basically rewrite the client

Mostly the renderer but we were doing input handling and the UI too

[marble lark]

WHAT

WE COULD'VE GOTTEN BETTER PERFORMANCE

[little frost]

doesn't bedrock more or less have something closer to this?

[magic river]

No idea, haven't looked at the Bedrock protocol

[little frost]

it has behavior packs and shit, don't know the internals either but it seems like it can modify the client quite a lot while being just an on-join download

[magic river]

I wanted to just work on the existing client and extend and replace pieces of it but everyone (Grum included) was insisting on doing it from scratch and working on plugging it back in to everything else later

[marble lark]

broooooo

[true canyon]

And instead we just have "let's make a mediocre inventory-based UI" 😦

[magic river]

We didn't actually accomplish anything except UMM and Grum got a texture atlas stitcher and the prototype for the resource pack system

[twin lagoon]

when was this

[magic river]

2013 I think?

[little frost]

and resource pack hacks with custom fonts

[void void]

You still have irc logs from 213?

2013*

[marble lark]

how'd y'all plan on rewriting the entire renderer though

[magic river]

I had ideas but that part was supposed to be all UMM

[marble lark]

3 people seems like not enough for something like that

oh

[true canyon]

Which is cool and all but you're still limited to squares the shape of the inventory slots 😦

[little frost]

minecraft as a sandbox game would go well together with a more sandbox-like UI, giving the server more control

[magic river]

Minecraft rendering isn't that complicated, people can slap together proof of concept chunk viewers and such in a couple days of work

[twin lagoon]

@true canyon

[marble lark]

haven't seen anyone else render stuff with the same quality as modern Minecraft does though

[magic river]

Doing it performantly can be a lot of work but that's a matter of getting the design right and then just putting in the work

[marble lark]

the best I've seen so far looks like how MC looked back in beta/alpha/indev

ohh

[magic river]

Eh, there is a rust project that renders Minecraft worlds pixel by pixel identical to 1.8 or so

I think it took a few months as someone's hobby project

[marble lark]

haven't seen it yet but dayum

[vernal moth]

I managed to do that, and that means quite something

[little frost]

i bet you've done it multiple times

[vernal moth]

Nah actually just once I think

All my other clients didn't had UI

[magic river]

https://twitter.com/mcclure111/status/640019892083658752/photo/1

mcc (@mcclure111)

A tragedy, in four acts.

Twitter · Sep 5, 2015, 4:33 AM

Oh yeah, I forgot about this, just use this to make your renderer 😄

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vnTtiLrV1w

[ashen cliff]

Is there a worse song that could have been chosen for the video?

Really expected some nothing music... but damn.

[magic river]

It was 2015

[ashen cliff]

Even worse.

[magic river]

And kind of meant to be a parody of hype videos (while also being one)

[ashen cliff]

That's like 2/3 years after those.

[magic river]

Look at the view distance on that thing though, 80 chunks

[true canyon]

[marble lark]

good lord

[magic river]

Although his chunks were actually 8x8x8 rather than 16x16x16 so he could pack things more

But his draw distance is measured in blocks so I just did /16 to get MC chunk equivalent

Oh, nevermind, his chunks were actually 128x128x255

[wispy blade]

sheesh

[magic river]

He made this with it too for a demo of sorts https://github.com/nothings/obbg

Dude does all his stuff in C with MSVC 6 (1998)

[wispy blade]

wtf

ew

[magic river]

Also if you've ever done any gamedev that wasn't unity or unreal you've probably pulled in some of his code, stb_image and such

[wispy blade]

i've only used liballegro and am going to use SLFW

[marble lark]

Only ever used Vulkan and GLFW

[marble lark]

guy's a goddamn legend

[magic river]

https://github.com/PistonDevelopers/hematite was the rust project I was talking about, btw

The tech it uses was kind of a deadend in the rust gamedev community though (piston)

[marble lark]

ah

[magic river]

Dude even went and figured out the logic for Minecraft's random offsets for grass and such though so everything would be placed the same way

Ah, looks like it didn't do liquids though

[marble lark]

wtf lmao

actual overkill

can we hire him to upgrade the renderer

[marble lark]

Man wrote everything with a compiler from 1998 I wouldn't doubt him for using outdated libraries

[untold copper]

day #79 of trying to get abs: did 1 hour of cycling, covered like 15 km. oh also i burnt 2638 calories, unreal.

[magic river]

The rust thing is unrelated to stb

The piston ecosystem in rust was meant to be a game engine construction kit, all the things you'd normally have in an engine were separate libraries and you had to provide the glue

Some of those libraries are standard things in rust in general (I think the image crate is even used by Firefox now for image loading) but otherwise people decided they'd rather have actual engines

[ashen cliff]

How do you only cover 15km in 1 hour bro?

[red timber]

was probably riding with both gears set to 1

[ashen cliff]

To be fair, I need more gears.

[wispy blade]

@void void

[turbid oar]

good morning people

[rotund cargo]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/pull/6488/files#diff-1046e91cec6e397d3c3151336bdbf5dbcc19f46ab43af2a4c4ce9d184abbdcc4R246

[true canyon]

That sure is a link to diff.

[solid sapphire]

prod has been 11'ed

but its dead

[quasi valley]

GitHub isn't smart enough to actually open linked diff of closed files

[solid sapphire]

oof

[rotund cargo]

line 246 of the patch edited by leaf (Urgency System for Chunks)

[quasi valley]

@static badge

[rotund cargo]

[wispy blade]

@static badge i hope you are having a good day :)

[static badge]

diff is intentional

[waxen panther]

who let niome ping leaf

[static badge]

util is from tuinity; not merged; needed something in there

what are these emotes

[wispy blade]

i did mr broccolai

[rotund cargo]

Someone offered a sub on Twich xD

[waxen panther]

!!@!&@!&#!(#@!(*

[quasi valley]

!!@!&@!&#!(#@!(*

[wispy blade]

#StopNiomeAbuse

[waxen panther]

who dat

[void void]

Gotta find the list on my phone one sec

[minor badge]

@waxen panther hi

[waxen panther]

heyy mari

my mari best mari

[minor badge]

[waxen panther]

[quasi valley]

I found an even better entry there

Fixed an indent in the code. Doesn't matter at all so I don't know why I'm mentioning it here.

[wispy blade]

horny mari wtf

[minor badge]

?warn @quasi valley dumdumtv

wtf

[quasi valley]

SCRUB

[wispy blade]

KEK

[left swift]

bot revolt

[quasi valley]

@minor badge

[void void]

day #🇽🇩 part 24 of trying to get abs:

I work all night, I work all day to pay the bills I have to pay
Ain't it sad?
And still there never seems to be a single penny left for me
That's too bad
In my dreams I have a plan
If I got me a wealthy man
I wouldn't have to work at all, I'd fool around and have a ball
Money, money, money
Must be funny
In the rich man's world

[vernal moth]

can we stop the bullying pls noah?

[void void]

I blame kenny for starting this

[quasi valley]

I blame capitalism.

[void void]

Understandable

[vernal moth]

well, kenny should stop too, it was funny the first few times but now its just literal bullying, lol

[static badge]

why don't we all bully germany again

[marble lark]

lmao

[worn crest]

why don't we all bully germany again
🥲

[minor badge]

lemme introduce you to reactions

[solid sapphire]

better than xrdpp black sod

[marble lark]

https://github.com/facebook/react

[vernal moth]

cause that went to great last time? 😄

[turbid oar]

Hello MiniDigger

been a while

[vernal moth]

o/

[pallid raptor]

Found the physical server service my dad used to use, Beautiful ping and amazing stats

This for a minecraft server will be a killer

[turbid oar]

intel goes brrrr

[pallid raptor]

I mean it’s pretty good

[turbid oar]

true

[pallid raptor]

I get full access

It’s a physical server so I have over 80k ports

[vernal moth]

its only a decade old 😂

[worn crest]

2nd gen

[plucky sparrow]

2600 doesn't sound very fast

[pallid raptor]

Yeah but

[turbid oar]

I have a 72gb and 12 core dedi

[pallid raptor]

I can look for more

[plucky sparrow]

I doubt it'll be a killer for newer minecraft versions

[pallid raptor]

There’s many more lol

[turbid oar]

might double soon

[pallid raptor]

We will have to wait and see

[plucky sparrow]

maybe not even a killer at all

[worn crest]

my 4th gen works well, but i have only me afking

[limber knot]

I think minecraft will be the real killer here

[plucky sparrow]

LOL

[plucky sparrow]

That's still about 20% faster than the 2600

Guessing you have a 4770

[worn crest]

i7 4470

[plucky sparrow]

there's no i7 4470

only i5 4470

[worn crest]

wait i search for the mail xd

ah you were right i7-4770

[plucky sparrow]

Ye then it's 20% faster

[worn crest]

enough that the server doesnt break while beeing afk 😁

[plucky sparrow]

does it actually run well

at all

it might be ok for one player but I doubt it'll be ok for more than one / two players

[hexed kelp]

guys: https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/24/22640024/youtube-discord-groovy-music-bot-closure

[plucky sparrow]

we already know

[hexed kelp]

a massive f for my boi groovy

[ashen cliff]

adding that its APIs are for developers who comply with its terms of service.

[vernal moth]

in a massive surprise, some service that illegally distributes music got told to not do that anymore

[turbid oar]

xD

[golden gust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPFLSP-AgTQ

jebus fuckus

[ashen cliff]

It's fine!

[autumn glen]

what kind of a bullshit question is this?

[magic river]

Poorly worded

[autumn glen]

equivalent should be re-written as also equal to

but yeah stupid.

[cunning raft]

well no, should be Which of the following is the simplest form of...

[ancient bolt]

sqrt(98) is also equal to sqrt(98)

[autumn glen]

yes but its wRoNG

[ancient bolt]

simplest form could be debated. I don't think you can have that as an answer legitimately. I think mathematicians would argue it's bullshit too

[nimble depot]

For one reason or another, people rather watch shitposts than high quality content. Kind of demotivating

[turbid oar]

lol

[wide chasm]

Should've just not added sqrt(98) as a possible answer.

[golden gust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9bJXXCmCYM

[TW] tasty food

[unkempt drift]

https://youtu.be/XvglIpgcI6M

Wait what? What universe is this where the actual Jordan Belfort interviews the actual FBI agent who led the team to bring him down

That’s kinda hilarious

[golden gust]

I mean, it's a protip

Next time they'll know where they fucked up

[pallid raptor]

What can paper mc be ram on? Like will it run on Linux? Debian?

I really don’t want to have to pay extra a month on my server for windows

[golden gust]

debian is a linux distro...

it will run anywhere where java runs

[pallid raptor]

So it will run on them?

[golden gust]

I mean, some platforms are better than others, i.e. linux is generally king here

[pallid raptor]

Yeah, When I buy the server I’ll install Linux and figure out how to setup the .jar

[turbid oar]

Hey guys got a question. What do you guys do usually if someone pisses you of and starts causing drama on your server?

[twin lagoon]

you ban them

[pallid raptor]

Mute them

For life

[turbid oar]

I did he he still continues in many discord servers....

[twin lagoon]

other moderators in those discords will clear that up

ban, block and move on

[pallid raptor]

If they do they’re job, Some don’t

[turbid oar]

I was thinking if he starts more I will report him to discord lol

[true canyon]

Causing drama isn't really banworthy (from discord)

[pallid raptor]

You can’t report them to discord 🤦‍♂️😂😂

[turbid oar]

Oof

[twin lagoon]

depending on what it is you can

probably under harassment

[true canyon]

Fair. I assumed they said "causing drama" because other things didn't fit.

[pallid raptor]

Ye

[turbid oar]

People get so mad when you demote them from a rank lol

For not doing their job...

[ancient bolt]

Java runs on SIM cards

I don't think debian can run on SIM cards

gotcha

[golden gust]

brb, making an MC server which runs on a sim card

[ancient bolt]

honestly have no idea why java runs on SIM cards

they have to use a special super stripped down version

it's basically not java anymore

seems like C or C++ would be easier

[wispy blade]

tru

[marble lark]

what would the point in running Java on a SIM be lol

[red timber]

VM

simple bytecode and architecture

jvm kind of fits

if stripped down

[ancient bolt]

java ME can run with less than 1 mb of memory for the whole JVM

but like, yeah, very very limited

[golden gust]

Yea, is minimal AF