20 nuggets cost here like $8.4
#general
novel horizon
warm anchor
If you only want nugget it’s cheaper I think
warm anchor
with the sweet sour sauce
Wouldn’t do it any other way
novel horizon
yep i really love it
but also im sad that my server doesn't meet any low bars here 
but first low bar is offline mode so
i'm downloading this right now
viscid wedge
It's pretty fuckin bad. Granted, I'm not surprised given who's behind it.
viscid wedge
alright.
novel horizon
nah it's fine whatever
i know it's not the best
but hey
otherwise my mc server is 100% with eula
even with the old one
at least smth
viscid wedge
If you enabled Mojang auth and nuked like 10 plugins you'd be fine
novel horizon
10? woah woah
vernal moth
Let's stop linking songoda shit
warm anchor
Mini puking 
viscid wedge
Songoda is pretty gross.
vernal moth
Dont need that energy here
novel horizon
things I'd ditch probably are authme, jobs, residence maybe switch with griefprevention and that's it almost
you mean S***oda
novel horizon
hmm
for me it would cost about $420
they don't offer 40 pieces here
only 20 at most
I think it's 6, 9, 20
viscid wedge
damn so you're telling me I could order 1,000 McNuggets right now and still be able to pay rent
novel horizon
from what
warm anchor
I also highly doubt any store would have 1000 of them in stock
limpid comet
well, you think they'd get 25 orders of 40 nugs in a day?
warm anchor
Most supply chain are doing daily delivery now isn’t they?
novel horizon
I think they could get 20 orderds of few nuggets daily at least
like only 5 people with order for 20+ nuggets is already a hundred
and in happy meal you can have nuggets too, it's only a few though
warm anchor
Actually for really busy store probably now I think about it but I don’t think you can walk in any of them and just be like I want 1000
novel horizon
yeah
limpid comet
i bet you have to prearrange that sale anyways
novel horizon
like you can't come and say give me 100 big macs
limpid comet
even if they did have the stock i doubt they'd let you order in that quantity
novel horizon
🤷♂️
limpid comet
gotta be some behind closed doors backroom deal kinda shit
warm anchor
Dude working the thing is gonna hate you so much
novel horizon
probably lol
peak ginkgo
me and the paper discord getting nuggets
"yeah i want the entire drawer of nuggets"
"bring it to me."
warm anchor
“How much would you like?”
“Give me all you got!”
novel horizon
no they'll bring it to you and you'll be like "leave here the whole thing"
damn i want nuggets
but i shouldn't buy them it's kinda expensive
warm anchor
2:45 here. I could in theory go to get some nuggets rn
novel horizon
also now they have only breakfast things
warm anchor
But the McDonald’s by the nearest highway the overnight cashier is always high af
You’d spend like 30 minutes in the drive way coz it takes him forever to take an order
novel horizon
ew
warm anchor
And once you commit to it you can’t escape coz driveway is only one way so you’d be stuck inbeteeen cars
limpid comet
eternity email me some nuggets im hungry
novel horizon
this is sad 😦
warm anchor
Ewww locking https behind but I guess they need money
warm anchor
eternity email me some nuggets im hungry
I would really. Bluely epic 
minor badge
you could proxy it sneakily
novel horizon
damn i need to register the accounts though if I want to receive payments, ew
so many unknown here
literally only paypal is known here
limpid comet
stripes a classic too
novel horizon
not much here
vernal moth
GitHub sponsors is all stripe
novel horizon
it is like that + fixed, depending on the country
vernal moth
Paypal has a high chance to fuck you over tho
novel horizon
is stripe free of charge like monthly etc?
vernal moth
Paypal loves locking your account for 6 months without reason
hasty jasper
we've used paypal for a couple hundred purchases and it worked out for us
vernal moth
Not giving you acces to your balance
novel horizon
idk about this one https://paygol.com but it has lots of options
hasty jasper
but I have heard of that happening before
warm anchor
Id second to mini’s opinion
vernal moth
Did you ever exceed 2500 usd per year?
warm anchor
PayPal isn’t reliable
novel horizon
vernal moth
The 2500 barrier is magic
hasty jasper
nvm paypal's fees are quite big compared to stripe from the looks of it
hasty jasper
for some reason i remember the paypal fees being lower
novel horizon
any experiences?
paygol registration is "thank you our sales team will contact you shortly" ? ew
not spam right
vestal jasper
the numbers mason what do they mean
novel horizon
weight 57 lbs and 175 feet I guess
quite big and slim i guess
damn idk what to do im bored
😦
vernal moth
Those are obviously standard units, not freedum units, smh
That's the cool thing about stand units, you can leave them out and it's still clear, cause they are standard
novel horizon
Of course, Martin
kind tangle
damn idk what to do im bored
me too ;-;
novel horizon
I want nuggets now
novel horizon
Thanks @warm anchor :(
kind tangle
minecraft*
kind tangle
after i got 11 premium plugins for fun xd
idk what to do with em too lmfao
novel horizon
I don't mean Minecraft, I mean life.
potent fossil
🤔
limpid comet
irl life
potent fossil
ye my in real life life
just like my atm machine. my automated teller machine machine
limpid comet
I want an automated gimple machine
peak ginkgo
i just added 3 letters to the pterodactyl egg for java 16
you're welcome everyone
🙏
jq
I can do the terrible thing and autoupdate my dev server
wispy blade
i tested them thouroughly, dw ^^
worn ember
famous last words
wispy blade
i spent an hour testing shit lmfao
heady lintel
PaperMC
olive marlin
i tested them thouroughly, dw ^^
I also tested my server.properties PR but apparently broke people's MOTD 
novel horizon
😄
wispy blade
then you didn't test thoroughly enough >:c
worn ember
i also tested my album cover features on our bandmanager app but i still forgot to do some stuff :p
olive marlin
Well, I always test in production so you can say I tested well enough :P
Just not mine production this time.
heady lintel
PaperMC
novel horizon
I don't use colored motd anyway ^^ I wouldn't think about that
what is that hydra doing
heady lintel
what is that hydra doing
uh I just saw a Verified sign so I just... copied it
wispy blade
Well, I always test in production so you can say I tested well enough :P
testing in prod is the best testing
wispy blade
like unironically 
heady lintel
novel horizon
okay
niome a small difference, testing on your prod or people using that? why not
it's their fault for updating and also not updating at the same time
olive marlin
Yeah, I didn't think about using Unicode stuff.
Server.properties is weird. It needs to be ISO-8859-1 encoded, but doing so makes tools like grep see it as binary file for some reason. And using ASCII/UTF-8 causes those conversion issues.
wispy blade
sounds like a fun time
novel horizon
definitely fun
olive marlin
Especially when debugging and fixing it at 2AM.
twin lagoon
@olive marlin 
novel horizon
👀
twin lagoon
@lavish compass
olive marlin
imagine using colored motd ew
Imagine not using a gradient in your MOTD 
wispy blade
minimotd bro.
olive marlin
MiniMOTD epic. Jmp epic.
vernal moth
Minimotd should advertise the new web viewer
vernal moth
No, sounds like a nice feature request tho
Can you open it? GitHub is linked on the viewer
wispy blade
sure
wispy blade
there's not been much activity in hangar tbf
wispy blade
oh nice
novel horizon
stop or I'll use minimotd 😠
novel horizon
don't forget you can use
<link> to not show the embedded thing
ashen cliff
The true trick is to just quit school.
untold copper
don't forget you can use
``` <link> ``` to not show the embedded thing
yeah
untold copper
The true trick is to just quit school.
dont wanna end up like you
ashen cliff
Bruh.
ashen cliff
Can't bully me about my education bro. It's still above yours. 
untold copper
Can't bully me about my education bro. It's still above yours. <:kekwhyper:67409...
for now
ashen cliff
I'll probably quit MC before you get to my current level.
ashen cliff
ashen cliff
Bro.
novel horizon
It's just MC, Bro.
untold copper
only 3 years left to graduate school
ashen cliff
BS.
untold copper
lmao
ashen cliff
You will just stay here till you get paid.
twin lagoon
BRO! Think about KGBcraft
ashen cliff
KGBCraft can run itself now. Using AI to upgrade plugins and the server implementation.
twin lagoon
self-modifying code bro
untold copper
"""""AI"""""""
novel horizon
I envy some of you.
ashen cliff
Real time class hot swapping.
novel horizon
Too cool.
ashen cliff
Bro. After you get tagged 100 times per day, you kind of want to just go back.
Why do you think we are still running kernel 2.6?
twin lagoon
OpenVZ 7
ashen cliff
That would be a part of it.
limpid comet
This is definitely closer to the hell of discords
novel horizon
??
have you seen any other discords
there's so many good people here 😦
What discord is better than this one blue?
limpid comet
Mine
novel horizon
that's biased
novel horizon
limpid comet
We're all based here
novel horizon
well okay
idc
life is meaningless
🙂
i can be based
I'm giving love on blue's server too
red timber
twin lagoon
the same reason KGBHosting still exists
twin lagoon
@ashen cliff 
ashen cliff
ionic island
greska do konekcije sa bazom!
void void
Hello?
twin lagoon
hello
lavish compass
<@!290921387655430144> <:happeepoheart:814643964082520064>
void void
LIL B THE BASED GOD
I use paper 1.17.1 154. And i have 2 bug
First. A scoreboard objective boat_on_cm is not work
When i stop. But score is keep Increase
And i used Item tag to snowball/fireball but is not work
And i using this plugin:
AutoShutdown, commandsee, CoreProtect, DiscordSRV, M-ClearLag, M-LibraryPlus*, PluginConstructorAPI, ProtocolSupport, QualityArmory, Skript, WorldEdit
Few plugin is not famous
void void
Thanks
gentle mango
you pay for hosting ?
gentle mango
i have a server next to me
novel horizon
ew
gentle mango
the hell did you say
novel horizon
I'll turn some older pc on and say the same lol
gentle mango
ok find an old pc with 2 cpus and 32 gig ram
novel horizon
I don't use server at home because you need proper internet, along with proper anti ddos and firewall, cheap electricity, maintenance, and it also makes noise, so 🤷♂️
but idc
you can use whatever
lol
gentle mango
i know
gentle mango
but is electricity like expensive for you or what? just asking
novel horizon
that's not the main reason
olive marlin
It's way too expensive for me to host from home. It's just easier to throw a few bucks at a company and let them handle most of it.
novel horizon
Exactly
it's good until you have problems
🤷♂️ sure it's nice, but
need really good and proper management
unless u want it shitty
40€ / month for great server is not that bad when you don't need to care about anything almost
gentle mango
i pay 30 buck for ele plus internet but thats mostly due to difrend currency here
internet is the expensive one
novel horizon
30 bucks quite a lot lol, not gonna lie
gentle mango
point is hosting in czech sucks
olive marlin
If a disk/cpu/psu/mobo fails, do you have a new one standby or will you need to have few day downtime?
olive marlin
Then don't host in Czech.
novel horizon
lol
gentle mango
i live in czech
novel horizon
i just use hetzner
gentle mango
wth hew many peole here are czech
gentle mango
what
twin lagoon
@olive marlin
gentle mango
then why are we speeking english
olive marlin
I host in Germany, I'm not from there. And most of my players are US.
twin lagoon
because we're not czech
gentle mango
wait a minute
twin lagoon
no it's not
gentle mango
$30 a month for a home hosted server is quite a lot
it would be alot for me if i would acualy pay it
olive marlin
Michale, 30$ excluding parts, in comparison to what you get when proper host.
Oh, yeah. Make parents pay for everything.
gentle mango
well i cant pay i cant have a job
twin lagoon
then get one
novel horizon
I think $30 is not that "good deal" when we talk about home host vs rent 🤷♂️
but hey im poor so
whatever
you can host wherever u want
olive marlin
well i cant pay i cant have a job
Get donations on the server?
gentle mango
when its open than yes
novel horizon
some people were complaining about internet connection to the germany when i use hetzner, but that's their internet being shit, not my problem
gentle mango
i would pay for my stuff if i could get a job
novel horizon
whatever 🙂
olive marlin
some people were complaining about internet connection to the germany when i use...
Nah, that's a real problem. Especially for US.
Put shoving TCPShield in front mostly solved it.
olive marlin
Yes. Huge packet loss.
olive marlin
I saw it.
olive marlin
But the drops were on shared, public infra. Usually on the pipes.
novel horizon
is tcpshield good, the free one? was thinking maybe getting that or cloudflare
olive marlin
After migrating to OVH it was gone.
novel horizon
it has free plan too Bro Michael ❤️
olive marlin
And also after going back to Hetzner, just behind tcpshield also works.
novel horizon
really? ew
olive marlin
Yeah, CF only protects HTTP for free.
olive marlin
For arbitrary TCP you need spectrum.
So I have website behind CF, servers behind TCPShield.
Despite free tier, everything works great. And support is also awesome.
twin lagoon
support epic
twin lagoon
tcpshield
novel horizon
y
olive marlin
Yeah. If there's anything I needed, got super quick response. Both when having issue with TCPShield, as well as just asking questions I couldn't find answers to on the website.
novel horizon
I agree
I'd love to have some servers at home, but at the same time I really don't kinda 🤷♂️
vernal moth
support epic
Yet they can't solve the issue dyescape has 😂
twin lagoon
well yes but that's dyescape
vernal moth
I wonder if the memes end if alpha is stable
I myself have never even finished the tutorial so can't comment, lmao
limpid comet
i just signed up for the alpha
vernal moth
Really soon now!
novel horizon
where paper v2
vernal moth
I don't take any blame tho, been a whiiiillle since I actually committed code, literal years
But I wanna say I still contribute valuable insights
worn ember
Dyescape wen
Hangar wen
novel horizon
❤️
left swift
.g dyescape
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.dyescape.com/
ashen cliff
So in 3 days I guess.
limpid comet
Bro
ashen cliff
Bro.
left swift
Is this that server city was working on awhile ago
left swift
Werd
limpid comet
Lord forgive me for what I'm boutta do
limpid comet
Services and recruitment v2, here I come
left swift
vernal moth
Citys server failed hard
Not because of city
But because the owner didn't understand and value feedback from engineers
City is in a better place now
vernal moth
mini used to work on dyescape
And I still work on dyescape, I just don't write code directly for dyescape, but I talk to the team about technical stuff almost daily
left swift
Sucks that server ded cuz it was like worked on for years wasnt it
vernal moth
no clue actually
the owner seemed nice when I talked to them, so idk where it went wrong
I joined the server for the launch and the owner went "hi mini" in general chat and I was like, who is this dude, do I know them?!
heady spear
City is in a better place now
That makes it sound like I died
But yes, Noxcrew is better 😂
worn ember
City is in a better place now
you make it sound like he died xD
wait
lmfao
didnt see city's commment
So many server owners have no real clue what they're doing, i've seen it so many times
"hey dude wanna help me make a surburrr"
sure if you pay me, cuz i'm 99% sure the work i put in wont ever reach the public
vernal moth
Well, city might be better at explaining what went wrong at hedgemony
But hedgemony and dyescape are both two opposite extremes on the same spectrum and I personally wouldn't want to lead either
warm anchor
City epic??
left swift
🇺🇸
I live to see the videos of ppl screaming at someone for wearing a mask and trying to rip it off their faces
heady spear
Just got my TBE vaccine 🤩
warm anchor
I live to see the videos of ppl screaming at someone for wearing a mask and tryi...
That’s why I only stay home
warm anchor
Yeah
plucky sparrow
That makes it sound like I died
What a dream
warm anchor
I fixed it the week it broke lol or I’d die
heady spear
What a dream
wtf
plucky sparrow
no i mean like for other people
heady spear
⚠️
ashen cliff
worn ember
City being covered by facemask must be a lot better than not covered by face mask
left swift
Damn all this city slander happening right now
untold copper
day #59 of trying to get abs: did a short 35 minute cardio workout because i wasn't feeling like doing a long one lol, besides i have to finish the first part of trigonometry...
left swift
@quasi valley
quasi valley
thank you nomana
day #🇽🇩 part 12 of trying to get abs: I jumped into the river and what did I seeeeee. Black-eyed angels swaam with meeeeeeeieieieee. A moon full of staaaaars and astraal caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaars
heady spear
"no mana" is wrong, it's actually "no man, a, send help"
@quasi valley ur cute xx wanna have sex?
left swift
😳
plucky sparrow
😳
quasi valley
only hugging before we marry, city, you know that
left swift
😳 what 😳 if 😳 we 😳 held 😳 hands 😳 before 😳 marriage 😳 😩 
olive marlin
Did someone try doing MITM on https for arbitrary apps on Android?
I can get mitmproxy and inject custom ca cert to the user store, but by default apps don't have access to user ca store. I'd probably need to decompile apks, modify manifests and then recompile them :/
left swift
vernal moth
Did someone try doing MITM on https for arbitrary apps on Android?
I can get mit...
Kinda useless cause apps do cert pinning
Correction: sane apps do cert pinning
olive marlin
Kinda useless cause apps do cert pinning
I found: https://github.com/shroudedcode/apk-mitm
Which can remove cert pinning. But I can also modify the source code myself, if needed.
Though yeah, it sucks.
There's something which can only be done in mobile app and I want to do it outside of it, so looking at how to best reverse engineer the API.
cunning raft
depends on the app you're using
certain apps also manually cert pin
cough facebook apps
also certain apps may not even respect the user store, you may need to push them to the system store
which may need root
golden gust
How do you know? 
cunning raft
i prefer not to speak
waxen panther
Jroy works @ google
cunning raft
if i speak i am at big trouble
waxen panther
(As a janitor)
golden gust
Can you not just use a typical http proxy?
I mean, surely the apps work behind a proxy?
cunning raft
olive marlin
Cat sure, but I need to inject custom CA so that it can do MITM to decrypt https traffic.
golden gust
You'd need a cert for a https proxy anyways
I was just thinking it was probs a more supported mechanism for whatever you're tryna do but goood knows
olive marlin
Well, yeah. First thing would be just putting mitmproxy on a local machine and pointing Android to use it as a proxy. That's the easy part.
Getting CA cert to user store also fine. But need to make the app actually:
- Have access to the store
- Use certs from the store
limber knotBOT
hm, anyone want to buy this domain https://i.minecraft.ceo/fZljjgxn.png ? xD
plucky sparrow
that thing is gonna be gone real quick
little frost
pheonix phlex
pine gate
Any one knows a good plugin for login and reg for a server NOT A NETWORK
mossy vessel
online-mode: true
pine gate
online-mode: true
😠
pine gate
online-mode: true
I'm poor i don't have money.
mossy vessel
Not my problem
mossy vessel
<a:pepe_pirate_dance:775497731191603241> <a:pepe_pirate_dance:775497731191603241...
best camm xx
viral hornet
best nmf 
cosmic raft
atgölpsizhrfa9w0ISPO
cosmic raft
hangar wen mini
vernal moth
working on it as we speak!
plucky sparrow
Offline players are missing out
warm mesa
Is there a dark mode and a light mode with Hangar?
warm mesa
I like.
true canyon
The only necessary mode is dark mode ❤️
golden gust
if people wanna blind themselves they can just use hi-contrast mode
cosmic raft
You know that if you use light mode on (at least) Android, and tap the "Light" theme button 5 extra times
that your screen turns completely white, and the flashlight turns on
:D
ashen cliff
Aka. a flashbang?
plucky sparrow
The only necessary mode is dark mode ❤️
I think dark mode is bad for some people
It’s the reason they kept light mode on discord
true canyon
But that's an app you can't control with accessibility software as easily, where hangar is a website that accessibility software can manage just fine?
golden gust
accessability is nice to cater for but a light theme is not really a high priority type thing
Getting the main design down first is key, and the theme can be then tweaked to use the OSes settings or maybe somebody'll add a better mechanism for it
limpid comet
that looks so fucking good mini
vernal moth
wanna turn that into css? 😄
holy shit I am in love with crowdin
I can edit my string in my app
twin lagoon
if only the pricing wasn't stupid
pretty much all localization software is trash ngl
twin lagoon
for opensource projects yes
twin lagoon
there's no proper alternatives to crowdin 
vernal moth
I had ok experience with POEditor
fossil patio
there's no proper alternatives to crowdin <a:reeeeeeeee:734761816189698061>
feelsbad when there's no alternatives to popular things
where's alternative michael
twin lagoon
wtf
fossil patio
krombopulous michael
limpid comet
wanna turn that into css? 😄
what if i just styled raw css and html
can that be taken into a vue component easily
golden gust
I mean, there are soome kinda alternatives but nothing on the scale of crowdin
vernal moth
not really, best if you do it directly
golden gust
Think localisation is in this weird place where you really need a large "non dev" attraction to your community for translations, as most devs know english enough to not care
and, so, the tooling for it really hasn't advanced all that much outside of crowdin which seems to have got a lot of the upper hand in terms of enterprise and OSS
vernal moth
oh I wouldn't have given a shit about i18n if people didn't start to actually provide translations
golden gust
most devs I know are generally content enough just editing json or properties files, etc
vernal moth
yes, but then people started reviewing each other
golden gust
Yea, I mean, crowdin basically defo won as it's generally the first non-dev oriented translation platform
most of them are not really n00b friendly as such
or are severely lacking in various ways to the degree that you kinda stall on releasing them to the public
wispy blade
well that's a new one
ashen cliff
Apply more SWAP!
ashen cliff
Good. Start hitting swap.
wispy blade
can't hit swap with 2G server bro.
ashen cliff
ashen cliff
But I will: https://posili.me/i/2021-08-04_19-36-01.png
golden gust
My flash chips have a maximum number of write cycles and damned be sure imma use them!
peak ginkgo
Sounds like Backblaze engineering meetings
grand pasture
@silk thicket remember me ?
wispy blade
also WTF
grand pasture
wut
wispy blade
why is the space left on my C: 1/3 of what it was this morning
swift root
call the font commission
frank otter
check logs as in do you have too many
buoyant hornet
oooh whoops, time to move off of build 154 😂
my motd has been growing exponentially with every restart
didn't notice until I tried to do /timings paste and it OOM'd 😅
Though I guess I should've been clued in
good times, fun bugs 😄
quasi valley
pretty sure bloodstone just wanted to get rid of competition
ashen cliff
As always.
Good thing I'm still on the first Tuinity build.
Can't be having issues there.
brave radish
<@&748618676189528155>
wide chasm
!ban @full musk Advertising
thorny flickerBOT
:raised_hands: Banned CooleVent168 (pc)#6018 (Advertising) [1 total infraction] -- stefvanschie#7609.
true canyon
Sniped again! Nice work
ancient bolt
Sniped again! Nice work
what do we even pay you for smh
true canyon
Nice work
I'm the team cheerleader
Also, you don't pay me. 😦
Starting to think all this "the check was lost in the mail" business is suspicious.
ancient bolt
oh, fair enough. Wish we could give you a rainbow name or something more fun than just 1 color
It's not our fault the USPS isn't reliable anymore
Take it up with them, not us
Anyways, the dog ate your check this month, sorry about that
wide chasm
It's because of that new #adorable-doggos isn't it
waxen panther
mighty storm
yea stuff just hasnt been the same since doggos arived
twin lagoon
true canyon
vestal jasper
Agreed
potent fossil
henlo
vestal jasper
Hola
twin lagoon
a
untold meadow
ayy
twin lagoon
kezz
untold meadow
potent fossil
So got a reply from the professor re yesterday's bullshiet
It says and I quote exactly
"no worries its all good"
🤔
warm anchor
"no worries its all good"
"no worries its all good" 
potent fossil
Seems so weird after the anger I felt in his first message lmao like what
frank otter
So got a reply from the professor re yesterday's bullshiet
wait what happened
wide chasm
See this channel one day ago at exactly this time
TL;DR Professor moved times of class, simple mails counsellor to change classes since times now overlap, professor be mad
tired heath
Do actually people still care about Teamspeak? Not sure if a server is worth it.
golden gust
not as much as discord these days
ashen cliff
The 🇩🇪 care.
warm anchor
Very community dependent
golden gust
There are still people who care about it, muuuch lighter than discord, but, doesn't have the centrification of discord
warm anchor
Discord just need to enhance more on their discovery
ashen cliff
Or just working.
ashen cliff
Would be nice, if we didn't have to constantly change regions.
ashen cliff
BS!
mossy vessel
If you care about text channels, not paying for a server and using the branch standard of gaming communication, you likely choose discord
ashen cliff
We have at least 1 problem per week and have to change regions.
potent fossil
TL;DR Professor moved times of class, simple mails counsellor to change classes ...
@frank otter this, but here #general message
can read it all the way down if you so wish
warm anchor
I usually just use whatever community at the time prefers
tired heath
I mean I was just thinking about it, but yeah prob. not worth the work to set one up
warm anchor
I’ve used mumble then ventrilo to now discord
thorny rivet
Probably a dangerous question here, but can I use kotlins scope functions for something like this:
var a = foo();
doSomething();
bar(a);
The catch here is, doSomething should be flexible, so syntax wise foo.with { doSomething();}. I don't want to create another method taking doSomething as lambda/Runnable though, to not have yet another indirection/scopes are inlined
frank otter
<@!692312512900890644> this, but here https://discord.com/channels/2895879090514...
ty simple
native wolf
Isn't Discord the ultimate TeamSpeak and Skype killer?
golden gust
no
discord, maybe
I mean
Skype, yea, sure, for gaming and community stuff, skype was a horrible solution but it existed
mossy vessel
For gaming, likely
But different branches still use tooling that matches their workflow better
golden gust
Teamspeak on the other hand is still the best solution for a lightweight voice solution, but, many people moved over to discord for the convenience of community
TS still wins on voice
thorny rivet
I mean in the early days discord was a rip of off slack, that was kinda the standard for companies
golden gust
(and resources)
wide chasm
Discord works for more casual stuff, but I've never seen it as something to be used in workplaces
thorny rivet
and they still use slack, I guess, for lots of reasons
golden gust
discord doesn't make sense for businesses
slack is a muuuuuch better solution given the features it offers and all that
thorny rivet
but I think discord also pushed slack hard to get up to speed with voice calls and screensharing, not sure if that is even a thing to date
though I guess slack had third party apps
native wolf
Well i didn't really ask the question lol. Before Discord switched away their focus from gaming they had a line on their website that said "It's time to ditch TeamSpeak and Skype".
true canyon
Discord voice still needs some help.
thorny rivet
Probably a dangerous question here, but can I use kotlins scope functions for so...
actually, the inline modifier is just what I needed
golden gust
well, yea, they nailed the community aspect which TS is missing of having people around 24/7 and skype had recentlish neutered its admin capabilities drastically
Like, the commands list in chat literally went from a page of commands to a slither of them
warm anchor
Discord basically piggybacked on Reddit for its growth
Then covid hits which further make them grow bigger
Mid stage partner program is basically them using Reddit admins ego by offering them partner server in return to gain the subs user base
native wolf
Discord kinda exploded in the end of 2019 and that's when they switched away from gaming to general chat
Now we get features nobody asked for
warm anchor
Which leads to partner program being shit coz you know “reddtiors”
plucky sparrow
What features are people asking for though?
warm anchor
“Password protected channel”
“Two FA locked admin feature”
“Deletion confirmation via 2 FA”
To name a few I really care about
“Hide transfer ownership” into settings not group them together with “ban user”
native wolf
Yeah those would be nice
warm anchor
Dumbest placement of that feature tbh
native wolf
But instead we got "wave to user"
warm anchor
Would you like to
“Ban this user?”
Or!!!
“Transfer ownership”
I know there’s still finals confirmation but that’s just dumbest thing ever
plucky sparrow
“Deletion confirmation via 2 FA”
Server deletion?
warm anchor
As it stands, I can accidentally delete my #general in my community which contains 5 year worth of history with one simple misclick
plucky sparrow
Oh
warm anchor
1 misclick for 10 million message deletion 
plucky sparrow
Well yeah those features would be cool, specially since Discord put 2FA in the dumbest choices possible
warm anchor
“Please enable two FA for admin feature” but it doesn’t protect anything
twin lagoon
plucky sparrow
“do u want to delete this server with only 2 messages, used for testing once? if so, enter your 2FA code, please.”
warm anchor
plucky sparrow
“Please enable two FA for admin feature” but it doesn’t protect anything
Well it does protect the admin’s account I guess
warm anchor
No it doesn’t
Say I steal your phone
And you don’t have screen lock
I can go to your discord
Delete all your channels
warm anchor
Yeah but still
Two fa can be used for that
What if say @potent fossil smoked 5 pound of weed and was high as fuck and decide to delete his discord
plucky sparrow
I think discord was primarily aiming for this feature to be used to protect admin accounts from being token-grabbed or stuff like that
warm anchor
If there is two fa his brain will be too high to be functional enough to find the two fa code and successfully delete his discord
warm anchor
I think discord was primarily aiming for this feature to be used to protect admi...
It still doesn’t protect against that iirc
plucky sparrow
Oh wait true the token allows you to login into an account without dealing with 2FA
warm anchor
Yup
plucky sparrow
Well I guess those features should be added
warm anchor
That was my biggest issue
I actually don’t now how those token thing stolen works in a sense
I seem one that will purchase nitro
plucky sparrow
I actually don’t now how those token thing stolen works in a sense
Wdym
warm anchor
Is it done client side on the victims PC or what (for the nitro buying scam)
plucky sparrow
You download a file, run it, it gets your token and it sends it to someone, someone logs into your discord account with it and destroys your elife.
Yes it’s client side, you usually download and run something that will grab your token from either the browser discord or the actual discord app
warm anchor
Yeah and that works for nitro buying too ? As in discord isn’t aware of IP changes? And ask for additional verification?
plucky sparrow
Hm, I’m not sure
warm anchor
It’s just wild for me 
I guess I will have to get one of those file to test it out myself
plucky sparrow
There’s a token grabber (open source) in GitHub
warm anchor
Wow that’s nice
plucky sparrow
It’s made in Java too
plucky sparrow
I won’t
limber knotBOT
granted most situations are probably more like "got a cool program from someone I trust in an online community"
warm anchor
Ugh it’s usually someone pretend to be making a game
And ask if you want to test it out
limber knotBOT
oof
warm anchor
(That one is python)
plucky sparrow
Say it’s a paper jar
warm anchor
Oh it is being used in MC too
If will be like “hey I made this cool plugins” or “hey I think this plugin will be cool to install”
thorny rivet
why? Free Server hosting
warm anchor
Or is friended with one of the attacker and trusted them
thorny rivet
even better if they host it on a big server
I mean not really about discord at that point
warm anchor
Social engineering is a real thing I’ve seen it happen
plucky sparrow
A friend of mine got her account token grabbed
I feel so bad for her
All of her conversations were seen by some stranger 😭
warm anchor
Ewww creeps!
quasi valley
Ewww weebs!
plucky sparrow
It really is a pain in the ass, and discord doesn’t make recovering your account easy at all
limber knotBOT
people that don't enable 2fa if a service offers it... smh
potent fossil
What if say <@!698668938661331045> smoked 5 pound of weed and was high as fuck a...
i'd prob still be sober enough to just go to bitwarden and copy my 2fa code
warm anchor
Ewww weebs!
limber knotBOT
I wish more websites/programs would support hardware 2fa :S
plucky sparrow
What 2FA apps do you guys use though
I personally use Authy just because it’s not locked to one device
limber knotBOT
eww
warm anchor
Ewwww
limber knotBOT
get a proper one
plucky sparrow
whatt
limber knotBOT
I use Foil Auth
golden gust
lastpass authenticator as a "oh fuck" solution given that it can actually survive a phone reinstall
thorny rivet
Used Google Auth and regretting it (because you can't easily transfer)
golden gust
but, slowly moving to bitwarden
limber knotBOT
(Only available on Sailfish OS though)
plucky sparrow
Used Google Auth and regretting it (because you can't easily transfer)
This was my issue
golden gust
sailfish
thorny rivet
bitwarden hosted on the NAS probably in future once I get around all that shit
but like I am too lazy to fix things
and once service required Duo, but there it's a push notification you need to confirm
plucky sparrow
I can’t wait to use the upcoming authenticator in iOS 15 / macOS 12
limber knotBOT
do you have an issue with that cat? 👀
(and for the stuff that supports it I use a yubikey)
golden gust
I mean, use whatever you want, but, niche OS for a niche set of devices
limber knotBOT
¯_(ツ)_/¯
warm anchor
Phoenix is definition of niche!
plucky sparrow
SailfishOS really looks cool but very few devices support it 😔
limber knotBOT
it runs on one of my prefered phones (Xperia X Compact) so I wanted to test it out
I still have two androids
thorny rivet
RIP my Nokia N900
limber knotBOT
(one stock for shitty banking/insurance apps that need safetynet and one modded one)
thorny rivet
Sent it in with a broken USB Port and got back a new lower class symbian device
plucky sparrow
Anyways, any KaiOS users here?
limber knotBOT
oof, they stole your phone?
thorny rivet
well, more or less stole, they recycled it for free
limber knotBOT
KaiOS looks interesting
thorny rivet
WhatsApp dropped symbian support at some point so I became the outsider 😄
But can't compare it to a proper debian based phone
golden gust
I mean, they dropped it years ago when it was practically a dead platform
I remember having skype on my symbian device and it was pretty nice, real keyboard was pretty nifty
thorny rivet
Well, I got an E7-00 back then, so probably one of the last phones
limber knotBOT
is KaiOS open source though? don't really see it on their site (and normally open source projects advertise that they are indeed open source)
thorny rivet
I mean the phone itself was cool, you had a decent keyboard, different but nice
and a sturdy metal frame
golden gust
I had the e63
plucky sparrow
golden gust
as a symbian device it's practically useless and am kinda glad it's gone, the platform as a whole was dead and the devices while neat where far behind what android offered
But, I mean, if somebody took any of those devices and turned it into a PDA, I'd probs be kinda invested
I'd love a little pda clock type thing I could sit on my desk and shit
limber knotBOT
oof, Mozilla not using proper free licenses biting people once again
(although technically speaking Sailfish OS is a licensing minefield as well :S)
golden gust
I don't think that a fully OSS phone is really viable these days
limber knotBOT
well... at least the part that can be open source should be
in Sailfish OS parts of the UI libraries aren't open source
golden gust
oof
limber knotBOT
which is silly
I understand that their android not-emulator can't easily be open source due to them licensing it from a different company but it's not that understandable for other parts
thorny rivet
well there also is fairphone, not sure what they do os wise though
limber knotBOT
they run android
thorny rivet
But without the google stuff?
oh, they kinda allow for Lineage, Ubuntu Touch and Sailfish
golden gust
The issue is things like the GSM/wifi modems
limber knotBOT
imo /e/os is the closest one is going to get to a fully open source system
at least a usable one if you don't just want base AOSP
golden gust
pretty much all of them require non open source firmware, there are a few which aren't but I don't think that they're really stable
plucky sparrow
imo /e/os is the closest one is going to get to a fully open source system
I’ve used that OS and it was awful tbh
limber knotBOT
I mean it's android
plucky sparrow
It was so rough on the edges
limber knotBOT
awfull is the expected base state
plucky sparrow
So unpolished
limber knotBOT
using unmodded android is a pita
golden gust
There is a reason why companies like samsung basically redo the entire UI
It's a fucking plague on the ecosystem but vs stock AOSP, I mean, I can't blame them
plucky sparrow
OneUI is absolute shit though
golden gust
yea, but it's not AOSP
plucky sparrow
It’s probably one of the worst things I’ve ever used
limber knotBOT
I haven't ever run a non-rooted/xposed cyanogenmod/linageos android on my main phone xD
golden gust
it may be fucking horrible imho but it's not stock android
am at the point where am probs gonna LOS my phone at some point
I just really can't be assed reinstalling everything
plucky sparrow
I don’t get why can’t they just stick to pure android
ashen cliff
LineageOS actually clapped me once.
wispy blade
Bro, how?
limber knotBOT
there's also the Purism Librem phones which are pretty open
warm anchor
thorny rivet
oh yeah, also had such a thing where the "call app" crashed when trying to connect to the audio device or something
but that was running android on the symbian device
or n900?
golden gust
I mean, for me, it's a case of I bought a phone, it's no longer gonna get any updates, and yet the phone is still alive and I don't have the cash or real need to replace it
vernal moth
I normally shove my phone onto family and friends every year
But last year's pixel has not worth talking about, so this phone is actually really old more my standards, lmao
thorny rivet
Yeah, same with my S7, but it's also kinda physically dying now
vernal moth
For*
limber knotBOT
I just buy sub 100€ used ones and use them for a couple of years ¯_(ツ)_/¯
warm anchor
New pixel 
vernal moth
I use my phone about 6 hours every day
thorny rivet
it just hangs and stuff, besides the battery being almost dead
vernal moth
I can't cheap out
plucky sparrow
The new pixel 6 looks interesting
limber knotBOT
I mean, unless you are playing fortnite on your phone you don't need the latest and greatest lol
vernal moth
Yeah hope it delivers
I take a bunch of photos, watch video content, generally be outside, do light photo editing etc
limber knotBOT
a flag ship phone from 4 years ago for 60€ will still be pretty good for anything one could do on it
vernal moth
I absolutely notice the differences
plucky sparrow
I have a feeling that somehow the Google Tensor will be slower than the A14 Bionic
vernal moth
I noticed the camera improvements of the pixels even tho the sensor didn't change
limber knotBOT
I just don't see the value in paying 10 to 20x that much with a minimal improvement
twin lagoon
pixel 5 
vernal moth
What else am I gonna do with all this money
golden gust
I mean, for me, I don't need the latest and greatest, I just need something powerful enough to do what I do
I don't what a phone which is gonna chug browsing the web, for ex
vernal moth
I brought a 800 euro tablet cause I needed something to display notes for my piano, literally googled best Android tablet and brought the first result
plucky sparrow
I brought a 800 euro tablet cause I needed something to display notes for my pia...
did you
did you get a 800 euro tablet
android tablet
ashen cliff
I brought a 800 euro tablet cause I needed something to display notes for my pia...
Better be the Galaxy View or View 2.
vernal moth
No clue what it's called, i forgot seconds later
golden gust
kek
thorny rivet
yeah, my phone starts lagging when I open too many tabs, really awesome
can even feel it heating up
god bless js
vernal moth
Was talking to a friend the same evening and she was like asking what I paid and I had too look it up
golden gust
I kinda want a tablet down the line at some point too, but, am probs gonna go evil fruit
vernal moth
My phone gives up when I open huge pastbins 😂
plucky sparrow
I really don’t use my phone a lot but I still think buying such a pricy phone was worth it (iPhone 11 Pro)
limber knotBOT
tbh my main issue is that modern phones are way too big
plucky sparrow
It will last me over 6 years so I’m ok with that
vernal moth
I never wanted a tablet, I always found them useless, but now that I have one....
I use it for multiple hours a day
plucky sparrow
Although I’ll probably get a new phone next year maybe
golden gust
Yea, I mean, that's my thing with a tablet is that I question my usage for it
vernal moth
And I can't use small phones, my thumbs are physically too large for that 😂
golden gust
I mean, I should probs get a TV at some point, but, eer...
ashen cliff
I mean, I use my Surface 3 way more than expected.
limber knotBOT
you just suck at using your thumbs
golden gust
Not like the couch here is tv binge material anyways
limber knotBOT
runs
plucky sparrow
iPads are awesome, can’t really say so for android tablets
vernal moth
I use the tablet for videos, notes, piano sheet music and maybe some gaming
golden gust
We established that already, phoenix
plucky sparrow
Main issue with android tablets is that they don’t run iOS
golden gust
I mean, I kinda wanna get away from android :L
limber knotBOT
they would be pretty good devices otehrwise
plucky sparrow
Well, iPadOS
vernal moth
Main issue with ipads is that you can't actually install what you want on it cause apple hates consumers
plucky sparrow
Main issue with ipads is that you can't actually install what you want on it cau...
You can though..
There’s AltStore
limber knotBOT
like not being able to properly adjust the OS to your needs nor be able to use your already purchased apps is pretty annoying