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tropic flame
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more than that and the garbage collector struggles to keep everything clean

prime hawk
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Even better news

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Phew

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That would cost a lot

worn ember
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real question is if your cpu can keep up

prime hawk
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Thats another issue, but i just wanted to take ram into consideration

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Its just, I got shocked when I Heard the specs of one server owner’s specs

wispy blade
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past 16 gigs of ram it's harshly diminishing returns

nimble depot
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I mean, I got a Dual R940-like setup for my ESXi

wispy blade
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you really shouldn't be putting 100 players on a single instance

nimble depot
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Terabyte of ram in each box does the trick. Quad Xeon 8284 and I got a VM powerhouse

prime hawk
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So its a common practice to create separate instances of servers?

nimble depot
prime hawk
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E.g. A survival server?

wispy blade
golden gust
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issue ain't the players as much as the farms

nimble depot
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My massive sugarcane farm causes a lagspike when it harvests (ALL of my farms are run off of the same timer)

prime hawk
golden gust
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not really

prime hawk
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Redstone-based ones*

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So how does one solve the issue of lag machines? And farms?

nimble depot
prime hawk
wispy blade
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probably

nimble depot
magic river
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Right, the main solution is to have tools to identify such machines, find them, find who built them, and ban that person

nimble depot
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Some admins just teleport to random people when they notice lag

prime hawk
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Or do I have to manually create these?

wispy blade
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google

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is your best friend

magic river
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I know of tools like that for Forge servers

coarse lily
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But IBM doesn't make thinkpads anymore.

magic river
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And I know of server-wide tools for Paper servers

prime hawk
magic river
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Don't know of any that point to problematic chunks for Paper servers but that probably exists

prime hawk
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And ive yet to hear positive things about all these entity stackers And such

nimble depot
prime hawk
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The names I mean

magic river
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Spark and /timings

prime hawk
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Thanks!

coarse lily
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It's a bummer that IBM has sold off most of the good stuff they did.

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The drives, the laptops, etc.

wispy blade
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they provide cloud solutions now, right

coarse lily
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Just like everyone else

wispy blade
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true

coarse lily
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They've bought a lot of companies in "cloud services". I'm not entirely sure how much of that is internal vs acquired.

magic river
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IBM has been a services company for a long time now, doing cloud stuff is an obvious move there

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But yeah, that's why they bought Red Hat even, cloud services expertise

coarse lily
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The cloud is just other people's computers.

warm anchor
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IBM keyboard Pepelove

nimble depot
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IBM 3486BGX InfoWindow terminal

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I use one connected to a raspi

royal kernel
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Why do people love IBM keyboards so much, Ive never used one lol

nimble depot
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Why use PuTTY when you can use a REAL terminal

royal kernel
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why PuTTY, just use ssh user@ip

vestal jasper
nimble depot
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Why use a emulator when you can use a device designed to do such a function. A terminal

royal kernel
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I use a cheap membrane and it works fine lol

coarse lily
vestal jasper
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So for mechanical keyboards people are kinda picky about the feel of the key

royal kernel
nimble depot
vestal jasper
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Oh huh

nimble depot
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Just running sudo apt upgrade now feels like you are hacking the pentagon

coarse lily
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I mean I like old tech as much as the next guy.

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Especially since I'm old.

meager tusk
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This conversation's making me feel like a fucking infant

vestal jasper
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ocelot hop in my DMs and we can talk old tech until the pandemic is over xoxo

coarse lily
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Haha

meager tusk
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I am, but I feel like an infant anyway

nimble depot
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Let's make a group chat about old tech

royal kernel
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Ya but my cheap Microsoft keyboard comes with a link to "risk of Serious health and injuries"

coarse lily
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My DMs are always open to you, Josh. <3

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Some of the new mechanical keyboards are pretty great.

vestal jasper
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I have bins of old tech that I've hoarded collected

coarse lily
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I have a bunch of stuff in storage but nothing handy at the moment.

nimble depot
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grandpa voice* Back in my day you could kill someone with a keyboard of they cheated you in half life

coarse lily
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Back in my day Half Life didn't exist.

vestal jasper
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wym by nothing handy

coarse lily
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I mean like I can't just pick something up right now.

vestal jasper
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ah ok

coarse lily
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In boxes, in storage, etc.

nimble depot
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Back in my day we played spacewar on a PDP

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Okay, I am actually 29 so the first computer I used was a IBM workstation.

royal kernel
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How old is old, like when you used Floppy disks?

coarse lily
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I guess old is all relative.

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But I used to use floppy disks.

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And modems.

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And sub-1GB HDs.

royal kernel
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The one person who used punch cards roles

vestal jasper
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I have :D

royal kernel
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Like punch cards instead of floppy disks?

wispy blade
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josh how old are you D:

vestal jasper
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In Seattle there's a place founded by paul allen meant to restore, run, and give public access to historical and vintage computers / consoles

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23

wispy blade
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oh lmao

vestal jasper
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Living Computer Museum, as it was formerly known. They renamed it some time ago but IDR the name.

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Like they literally have a fucking PDP-8 running that you can apply for telnet access to

wispy blade
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yeah in some village in NL there's a museum dedicated to keeping old computers running, i wanna visit it sometime

coarse lily
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Yeah I've used punch cards. Not a lot as a kid, though.

coarse lily
vestal jasper
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DECsystem-10 KA 1050, DECsystem-10 KI 1090, DECSYSTEM-20 KL 2065
DECsystem-10 KL 1095, DECSYSTEM-2020, CDC, Xerox XDS, XKL

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that's the list of mainframes they permit access to

coarse lily
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That's pretty rad.

golden gust
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god damned ||lovable|| NEEEEERRRDS

royal kernel
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What was your first pc?

vestal jasper
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Mine was some trashy throwaway vista desktop

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fucking VISTA was my introduction to computers

royal kernel
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zzzCat,U calling me a nerd, You accually PROGRAM on these computers

golden gust
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Most of us here bar the "get off my lawn" age where like, mid-90's+

wispy blade
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me, a zoomer

vestal jasper
golden gust
wispy blade
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nerd vs geek LMAO

vestal jasper
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They also have a PDP 11, two vax 11's, a pdp 8, and a simulated pdp 6

golden gust
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I kinda wish that there was an A4 laptop in color

coarse lily
golden gust
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I didn't get my first PC until 2012 or something, before that it was general "time sharing" with the family computers we had over the years, we even had a PC with a glass panel side with a cathode ray back in like mid 2000's, before that was some craptastic computer, before that we had some 98 PC but never got to touch that one often

royal kernel
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OMG he dised D & D, and called me a nerd

vestal jasper
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I want more vintage systems

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I won't be satisfied until I have my own museum

golden gust
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I did find an A4000 in the attic at my grandparents, or might have been the A3000

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I kinda got it working but had no mouse for it, and my birthgiver tossed it away

royal kernel
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does balders gate and temple of elemental evil count as old?

vestal jasper
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oooo I remember that game

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not like, playing it, but I remember it :D

royal kernel
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I love Mechcommander, but its not that old

wispy blade
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only old game i've played and really enjoyed is transport tycoon awa

golden gust
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transport tycoon was kinda cool

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C&C was a fun game but never got to play that until like early 2010's

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My fave console game is and probs always will be the original resident evil

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Loved it even through all its bad voice acting πŸ˜„

wispy blade
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never had a console, F

golden gust
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We had a family one but my bro kinda always commanded that with crap like world cup

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He did play RE every once in a while but horror stuff was something he could never hack

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"Shaaane, is there any zombies through this door?" "noooo" opens door "Ahhhhh!"

wispy blade
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always played flash games or one of 3 barbie games my sister got πŸ˜”

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pc gamer from the start B)

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or mobile games on mom's ipad

golden gust
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Oh, the original sims and sims 2

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getting original running these days is a PITA, and when I did get it running I was amazed in how stupidly limited it was, but that game played on a VIAO that was basically falling apart

coarse lily
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I remember staying up until like 5AM playing The Sims with friends.

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Fun but dumb.

golden gust
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2 was also nice as it added on and removed some of the limits but past that they started limiting it too hard and starting giving you original features back in the DLC

coarse lily
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Each person with their own computer

golden gust
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apparently the latest sims is like $500 if you want the full thing

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I think that some of the older games where cool, especially as they often had oddball limitations but often where really nice to play otherwise

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I was never a huge gamer but damn, I remember playing half life for the first time

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I bought my first GPU in order to play portal 2 :L

coarse lily
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$500? Jeuss

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For what?

wispy blade
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can confirm

fossil cedar
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me it was to play an HarryPotter game because my card was outputing black image when launching game. we figured out latter that it only required a driver update lmao

golden gust
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latest sims + all of it's DLC

wispy blade
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my sister has spent >€100 on Sims 4 extensions

royal kernel
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What kind of Gpus do you guys have

wind mason
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eclipse or intellij

royal kernel
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I got a 1050ti

golden gust
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I have the one built into my iMac :L

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IntelliJ > *

royal kernel
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Ive never used Intelij, only Eclipse

wispy blade
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i've used both

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and i can say, intellij's just better

fossil cedar
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I was a strong Eclipse user 2014-2020, then i forced myself to switch progressively

royal kernel
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What is better about it?

golden gust
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biggest hit is the adaptation

chilly hound
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Any dutch people who would like to start a survival server?

golden gust
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better intellisense, better maven/IJ integration, better performance assuming you're not on a potato

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not the place for finding people

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*maven/gradle

fossil cedar
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autocomplete is a huge +

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Eclipse has an autocomplete, but, IJ autocomplete is HUGE dud

royal kernel
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Since im learning java, do you think I should switch?

fossil cedar
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If you're a beginner, you should learn with IJ

golden gust
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IJ is defo more powerful and defo what I'd recommend

potent fossil
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BlueJ

golden gust
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biggest thing is seperating tutorials which sometimes cater more to eclipse from the IDE

royal kernel
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thanksπŸ˜†

golden gust
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But, IJ is much more powerful and generally the direction that the dev community is moving towards

fossil cedar
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I just dropped my school annual project report to the online drive, i never wrote as many bs as today

potent fossil
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Almost all my writing stuff like that is bs'd

golden gust
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Yea, am more of a theoretical doing stuff person vs a theoretical writing theoretics person

wispy blade
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hi simple

potent fossil
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hey

vestal jasper
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simple aaaa

potent fossil
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henlo joshy

wispy blade
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do you happen to be in need of cat pics?

potent fossil
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Always happy to receive those

vestal jasper
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I chipped the paint

golden gust
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eclipse just doesn't really innovate and much of the stuff people core functionailty outside of the basics is often in a plugin, many of them bundled but very few as tighly integrated or as well done as IJs

wispy blade
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then here ya go :)

golden gust
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VCS integration in IJ, as much as I generally refused to use UI based git stuff, etc, is fricken beautiful

potent fossil
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Just posted my current view in #adorable-pets

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also cute kitteh

royal kernel
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We should get a dog channel 😁

potent fossil
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No

royal kernel
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But there so CUTE

potent fossil
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they're*

vestal jasper
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you're*

potent fossil
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πŸ₯Ί

vestal jasper
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😏

wispy blade
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i miss @twin lagoon

worn ember
twin lagoon
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don't

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the only thing i've been doing for the past 3 days is play all the mods 6

worn ember
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bruh atm6 big poop

twin lagoon
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your entire country is big poop

potent fossil
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fact

worn ember
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No

potent fossil
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at least michale's country has a government PepeLa

worn ember
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ahaha

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didnt they resign?

potent fossil
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I have no idea just memeing

wispy blade
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man

worn ember
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Belgium on Sunday broke its own standing record for the longest political crisis and longest period without an elected government.

It has been 592 days since the previous government, led by former Prime Minister Charles Michel, collapsed over inter-party tensions on migration in December 2018.

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previous was like 541 days in 2010-2011 kekwhyper

potent fossil
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Belgium moment

worn ember
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for sure

potent fossil
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Why doesn't your king take over PepeLa Return to monarchy

worn ember
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cuz he has no power lul

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he's just the mascot

potent fossil
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I mean power is relative PepeLa

warm anchor
potent fossil
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They say the same about queen elizabeth but she could make heads roll if she wanted to im sure

worn ember
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well i'm sure no one would support the king over the prime minister cuz all he does is soak up our money kekwhyper

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and have bastard kids

potent fossil
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F

worn ember
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and our prince went on a visit to some country without the parlements approval so they grounded him

potent fossil
worn ember
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bad prince, no leaving the country for you!!

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so yeah, not much faith in the royal family

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at least queen Elizabeth is a respectable woman

wispy blade
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looks at dutch royalty

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went on a nice vacation in greece im summer 2020, while nobody was allowed to leave the country

young sable
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Happy Independence Day, all!

wispy blade
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massive public backlash forced them to come back kekw

quartz temple
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how far away from cave spider spawners do you have to be for them to activate?

novel horizon
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Like any other, It's 24 blocks afaik

quartz temple
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oh alright

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thanks

novel horizon
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16*

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Sorry ^^

upbeat falconBOT
wispy blade
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shadow go to sleep >:c

novel horizon
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you can find info here too

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😦

wispy blade
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it's like 2 am where you live

novel horizon
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only 1 am

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so

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i can still be up for hour or so then

wispy blade
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weee overcompensating timezones

worn ember
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go sleep kaaskop

wispy blade
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go sleep fritkot

worn ember
novel horizon
# quartz temple oh alright

I fixed myself, I said it's 16, not 24, idk if you saw it, just letting you know, also there's link on MC wiki about spawners

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well i gotta go anyway

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good night

wispy blade
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o/

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same

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got big chonker 100 minutes history exam

worn ember
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what? arent you out of school yet?

novel horizon
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i wish i was at school 😦

worn ember
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im so tired of college, but i also dont want to go work xD

left swift
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You dont work?

ancient bolt
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mfw I've spent the past 2 hours fighting with windows to run a stupid update, then I remembered why i booted windows in the first place was just to play video games

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so I think I'm gonna do that now instead

random aspen
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Does someone know where I can hire devs?

ancient bolt
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no

lament patio
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That's why my updates are are firewalled out, disabled in registry/group policy and my cable connection is set as metered

ancient bolt
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I'm just a sucker for seeing an update and going "I should do that first before I do anything else"

lament patio
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O man

ancient bolt
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and now I've run the .NET fixer tool thingy, windows update troubleshooter, DISM and SFC

lament patio
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I wait until I'm done with stuff

ancient bolt
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all to get 1 update that I have no idea what's its for out of the way

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because I feel weird when where's stuff there

worn ember
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my dads pc runs home so you cant set the group policy and every so often it force updates (even with metered) and bricks the laptop completely

worn ember
left swift
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I worked full time while in college lol

worn ember
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how can you work 8hours a day and got to college for 7 hours a day?

left swift
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close to 40 hours a week

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and also not very well cuz i dropped out

worn ember
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kek

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i'm taking it ez and doing 4 years over a 3 year course

daring laurel
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does a minecraft server make different world files than a minecraft client making a single player world?

worn ember
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no

brave radish
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technically, no

left swift
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paper servers separate the nether and end folders from the overworld

brave radish
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but it stores them in different folders ^^

worn ember
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singleplayer basically runs an integrated server anyway

upbeat falconBOT
daring laurel
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its not about that

brave radish
void void
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no real reason for it to be different

worn ember
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if you mean if you can run sp worlds in mp, that'll work fine

daring laurel
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no

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is the world generation different (as in the resulting files) different in the vanilla server compared to vanilla client making a single player worlds

brave radish
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no

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it's the exact same code running both client and server

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Even in Paper, the generation is the same as single player (in theory)

coarse lily
cunning raft
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!ban @ivory yacht Screamers are not welcome thanks and goodbye

thorny flickerBOT
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:raised_hands: Banned Amir!#6138 (Screamers are not welcome thanks and goodbye) [1 total infraction] -- Joshie#0001.

golden gust
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howlers are more fun

modest path
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@viral hornet back

tropic flame
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like

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camm back

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come back

modest path
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no

tropic flame
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ok

left swift
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cat is the only howler i need

pseudo shadow
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I'm nimble

pallid mauve
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😳

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PAPER 🀀

formal turret
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started writing an auction plugin 3 months ago and today i finally wanted to start making a companion mod that'll go with it, so if you have it installed instead of a chest UI you can have something like this

queen moat
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I don't suppose there's a place to get some help with modding (mixins) in this server, is there?

brave radish
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I mean, not many people here do it

queen moat
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aight

slow heath
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Welcome to San Andreas im CJ from Grove street

queen moat
viral hornet
modest path
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I was printerman a while ago lmao

magic river
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πŸ€”

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I wonder what's really on that tape

potent fossil
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That's porn

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For sure

left swift
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No u

wispy blade
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wtf man

left swift
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Wtf naom

void void
wispy blade
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it's a modding API

potent fossil
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anyone wanna see the fireworks my neighbor just set off

wispy blade
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lol sure

potent fossil
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quality should improve

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I hope anyway tf

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ree telegram reencoded it to low qual this is bullshit

wispy blade
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lol

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it's fine

potent fossil
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nope reuploading wait

warm anchor
potent fossil
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how long does processing take. youtube plz

warm anchor
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depend on your channel size and file format

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sometimes hours

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Best practice is to not public the video until the processing is done or schedule the video in the next 6~12 hours

potent fossil
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dumb

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me want now ree

warm anchor
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nice

orchid anchor
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hi, does anyone know how to enable lush biome/dripstone biome to generate in world generation?
i recently rented a server to play with a couple of friends, me and a few of my friends are new to minecraft(i'm some what new, because the last time i play is on minecraft beta, so it's a very long time)

warm anchor
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aint those in 1.18 or are those includes within datapack idk

lean kiln
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yeah if you enable the datapack it has that stuff I think

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but you won't be able to upgrade the world to 1.18

orchid anchor
warm anchor
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Note the name "Prototype"

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and thanks @lean kiln

lean kiln
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yw

orchid anchor
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thanks alot

strong stone
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Where do I download 1.12.2 paper?

warm anchor
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.download and scroll down where it say legacy. Make sure to read the big warning before download

limber knotBOT
strong stone
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Thanks!

potent fossil
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I put an ad for my 89 mustang at 5000, dude just offered 3000

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left him on read, gonna let that simmer a bit and say 3500 or fuck off

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also hi Larry

glossy atlas
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lmao

untold copper
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XD

vernal moth
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So that's why you put 5k since you need the 4k

potent fossil
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i mean shrug

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it has some problems :p

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but yea maybe

golden gust
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Okay, but

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We're missing the important question here

potent fossil
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what even was that song tbh

void void
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Anyone know any super simple claiming plugins for 1.17?

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I’m using lands for my server but people r having though time learning

untold copper
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grief prevention

void void
untold copper
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it'll probably work, you can check

void void
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I don’t think it will wor

untold copper
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You can check

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if it does then thats good

void void
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Any bungeecord ram usage teller plugin

potent fossil
merry talon
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htop?

potent fossil
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yeah idk if i'd trust a system monitoring plugin

ashen cliff
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Spark should be able to provide that.

potent fossil
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rip audacity

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(from uwuwa)

lime oak
ashen cliff
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Welcome to abandoned open source.

viral hornet
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wow they really going off

potent fossil
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Ah, well, nevermind then πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

lime oak
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cancel culture is so great ||/s||

vernal moth
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Audacity isn't abandoned open source

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You can continue to build it from source

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Source build have all update checking disabled

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This whole shit is so blown out of proportion

quasi valley
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and legal enforcement doesn't really sound "open-ended" to me lmao

lime oak
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ulterior motives? hmmmmmm

ancient bolt
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Abandoned open source is a fun thought

quasi valley
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it literally has a description for it in the "Personal Data we collect"

vernal moth
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The GPL stuff also doesn't make sense either

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National laws always overrule the GPL

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If software can't be used by minors, gpl can't magically overrule that

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Oh god, am in this 3 day seminar or whatever with the topic flexible architectures, and they start with quoting some venture capitalist scumbags

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This is gonna be fuuuun

ancient bolt
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3 day seminar
rip

vernal moth
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I wanna do this cause I think I can learn smfh

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And I just came back from a week vacation

ancient bolt
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Anyways my preferred flexible architecture is prolog

vernal moth
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So easy to catch up while I chill here

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But like, guy is holding a pep talk why software is important

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Citing blockbuster vs Netflix and VW vs Tesla

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And am like, you don't say

ancient bolt
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Life was simpler before software

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We should delete all of it

vernal moth
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He even brought up Nokia vs apple

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I think am gonna lay in my bed for another hour and see if we get to fun stuff then

ancient bolt
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Netflix beat blockbuster long before they were a streaming service tho

golden gust
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VOD just cemented it

ancient bolt
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I don't get why you would ever spend time on why software is important talking to a bunch of programmers

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Also not sure what the VW v Tesla thing is

vernal moth
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Tesla got dog mode thus is superior

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That's his talking point rn

ancient bolt
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What makes Tesla's ""good"" EVs (not great cars but not the point) is their battery tech, motor efficiency, and charger Network. You know, all of those hardware things

golden gust
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Sounds like the guy was writing an assignment, needed another example so decided to shit out of his ass

ancient bolt
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But none of that matters cause Tesla is puny compared to VW lmao, not a good comparison

vernal moth
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Nah I agree that Tesla is ahead software wise, hardware wise they lack quality compared to German car makers, but their in car software is what gives it the apple feel

viral abyss
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lmao it's not even about the software, even

ancient bolt
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Sure no doubt

vernal moth
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Now we get amazon quotes from some data mining director

ancient bolt
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Lol "I'm rich" is what the quote was I hope

viral abyss
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software's just the digital age's tools, like how smiths made tools "back in the day"

vernal moth
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Getting the curve into short feedback loops now

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Oh god he said the forbidden word

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aGiLE

viral abyss
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waaahahahahahahahaha

#

buzzwords go bzzz

#

it's funny how every agile project claim they're not agile, and every project that hasn't understood agile, claim to be exactly that

ashen cliff
#

Presenter says AGILE,
Stands up,
Leaves.

viral abyss
#

btw by agile I'm talking about any of them; scrum, lean, sigma, etc

ancient bolt
ashen cliff
#

Leave anyway!

#

Or just go to the toilet unmuted, as one does.

viral abyss
#

those were some funny days weeks months

#

oO discord didn't strike through tf

#

lol "agile"

ashen cliff
#

You need double ~.

viral abyss
#

what the, since when?

ashen cliff
#

Ever.

viral abyss
#

oh so I'm just mixing it up with Slack's syntax

#

bweh

vernal moth
#

Hey at least he explains why it's not always nessasary to overengineer stuff with flexibility in mind

wide chasm
#

But how will my code ever function if my factories don't have factories? /s

golden gust
#

factory factories?! Sounds like you need random lib which turns factories of factories into glorified factories of factories with tooling which is stupendiously magical of which there are two people who knows how it works, one in india, and another in the US who randomly disappears for weeks at a time

wide chasm
#

Great, let's build this piece of software and all other software on that library, while coupling it so tightly that the software will never be able to continue without that lib.

golden gust
#

god, I sure hope I'm not the guy who needs to rip that library out on a Friday before an urgent deployment

wide chasm
#

No, we'll let Bob the unpaid intern do that

ashen cliff
#

Unpaid?

#

He pays us!

wide chasm
#

Bob is so good at his job, he'll fuck up the deployment and then fixing it is your job cat.

void void
#

why is this error comming? how do i fix this?

wide chasm
#

#paper-help but you've probably already have your server running

vernal moth
#

Man I am so in love with the deobfuscated stack traces

ashen cliff
#

Now we just need ShowCodeDetailsInExceptionMessages enabled. kekwhyper

vernal moth
#

It's enabled by default starting in java 15

quasi valley
vernal moth
#

See, I don't need them natively if jmp magic does it too ^^

quasi valley
#

last I checked helpful nullpointers weren't as helpful as they should pepela

vernal moth
#

More helpful than before for sure tho

zinc plover
#

So, im a bit unsure.

Are there any Performance Diffrences between Hosting a MC server on Windows vs Linux?

I always say to myself that MC Servers run quicker and better on Linux but am i even right there?

quasi valley
#

yes

zinc plover
#

are there heavy performance Impacts or just small thingys?

quasi valley
#

if you're just running a server for a couple of players it probably won't matter, but if you have a server with high packet throughput and disc saving, it'll be faster on linux

vernal moth
#

It's definitely noticeable on large deployments

#

There are certain optimizations that only enable on Linux

zinc plover
#

Since we also need Windows due FiveM i think ill do it simply.

Installing Proxmox and splitting our server in two (we would have the resources for that) and then have Windows and Linux i guess.

vernal moth
#

Sounds good

#

Gotta love all these dum dedicated game servers that force windows

#

Quick Google says fivem works on Linux tho

#

Oh

#

"Note that the Linux version of FXServer is only provided as a courtesy port due to issues regarding Linux distribution compatibility and availability of diagnostic tools for native C++ code. If you’re experiencing any issues, you’re more likely to see them fixed if you use the Windows version."

#

Still lazy

#

πŸ˜‚

zinc plover
# vernal moth Still lazy

Yep, but well. GTA 5 is generally crap regarding linux stuff xD

We currently run our Server on Linux w/o any issues, but DayZ Sadly forces Windows. :c

#

or ill just buy a small server that would be able to handle 40 Players. Hetzner sometimes has nice stuff imo

frank otter
#

whee I just got sent home for 10 days

#

what would I do with all my newfound free time

#

*should

wispy blade
#

write plugins

frank otter
#

maybe but then I'd have to learn java

void void
#

How do i make like this to

#

like if the member sending message is owner or not?

#

which pluggin is used?

frank otter
#

I don't know of any maybe write your own

void void
frank otter
#

yeah you

void void
upbeat falconBOT
void void
upbeat falconBOT
olive marlin
#

@void void use any chat plugin. For such simple thing, even VaultChatFormatter might be enough.

wispy blade
#

can confirm VCF is enough

ashen cliff
#

Any good chat plugins yet?

wispy blade
#

bro. KGBChat when

ashen cliff
#

Too good to be public.

#

Can you even imagine, a single standard chat plugin? Kinda like LP for permissions. The world would be just too perfect.

wispy blade
#

i'll make monkeChat bro.

olive marlin
#

Carbon wen?

olive marlin
#

Why would you use ChatControl lmao

void void
wispy blade
#

try it

#

see if it works for you

merry talon
#

I would certainly not try that

#

Use something well known and supported

#

Like EssentialsChat

vernal moth
#

Gamer pro plays yt

#

That induces trust

wispy blade
#

yikes, even i wasnt that cringe in 2016

merry talon
#

It's so bad that it seems like just a joke

void void
merry talon
#

no

wide chasm
#

It's open source, so there's that

ashen cliff
#

Bro.

merry talon
#

we aren't your personal servants

void void
wispy blade
#

use the internet

#

god damn

void void
#

i only got this

wispy blade
#

search better

#

they have a website

green tartan
vernal moth
#

Open an issue on GitHub and jmp will take a look

void void
#

Every chat plugin is ded

wispy blade
#

DarkEyeDragon isnt a chat plugin

void void
#

please help

upbeat falconBOT
#
An Error Occurred

The command could not be completed due to java.lang.NullPointerException. This issue has been reported.

wispy blade
#

hmmm

#

.g essentialsx

limber knotBOT
wispy blade
#

wow

#

it's that simple

#

learn how to google

void void
#

which one is for paper 1.17 ?

merry talon
#

How are you so incredibly incapable of doing anything for yourself

#

It's a troll right?

wispy blade
#

nope, actually genuine

frank otter
#

Phantom what are you trying to achieve in the long run

wispy blade
#

hypixel kekw

frank otter
#

you ask so many random minecraft-related questions here

#

what lmao

void void
#

just a server for 5 peoples

frank otter
#

Why do you need ops in chat then

viral hornet
#

Do you really need essentials chat for 5 people?

void void
#

bedwars pvp

viral hornet
#

Vanilla chat is fine

void void
frank otter
#

just /nick

#

no?

void void
#

just for 5 people for now and for 5000 later

void void
frank otter
#

wdym 5000 later

void void
#

not good at nothing cause

frank otter
#

so you're tryna make hplypixel later

void void
void void
frank otter
#

do u rlly think its gonna take off

viral hornet
#

Let them have their goals

frank otter
#

fair

void void
merry talon
#

You will never achieve a server that anybody will want to play on unless you stop with this stupid begging and get to work

#

I'm gonna tell you straight up

#

You need to work for something

#

Or don't waste your time

void void
wispy blade
#

well said, if a bit harsh

frank otter
#

I just wanna known

#

*know

#

do people agree Google is probably a better place to look for java help than papermc #general

wispy blade
#

yes

#

definitely

#

stackoverflow, spigot/bukkit forum threads

#

reddit

#

even youtube videos in some cases

#

who remembers the OMGCraft server setup tutorial PepeHappyCry

#

remember

#

.spoonfeed

ashen cliff
#

F.

wispy blade
#

.spoon im πŸ…±οΈery dumb

limber knotBOT
#

Spoonfeed a newbie for a day and they'll come back with more questions. Teach them to find their own answers and you'll both be better off: you won't get stuck answering the easy questions and they'll be much more productive than before.

ashen cliff
#

Camm bro!

wispy blade
#

krusic bro!

viral hornet
#

krusic! Bro!

void void
#

Sorry guys, I apologize for my stupid questions.
And never ask some stupid and easy questions from now.

viral hornet
#

Asking questions isn't bad, but definitley try to take your time to read things infront of you

wispy blade
#

camm would you like to refound Reading Inc.

zinc plover
vernal moth
#

no

#

docker is not virtualization

#

so yes, using docker is fine and shouldnt have a noticeable difference

olive marlin
#

As long as you don't use Docker on Windows.

#

Because then it does virtualization.

worn ember
#

well rip

vernal moth
#

docker for windows is dev only anyways

olive marlin
#

Docker for Windows is significant enough that they didn't switch the default builder to buildkit, and still use the old deprecated one, only because because it doesn't work on Windows.

worn ember
#

just windows things

vernal moth
#

Well, because the majority of devs is on windows, of course it's significant

merry talon
#

It is significant but that's also a really stupid reason

#

Just set it as default on the other platforms

agile pine
#

Is it worth ordering a domain from OVH to use with my dedicated server? Because then you apparently have the option to use anycast to improve latency on far away players without the need to buy servers across the world. Is that right or am i mistaken?

merry talon
#

You are mistaken as anycast only works if you have multiple servers

olive marlin
merry talon
#

tbh, docker for windows isn't a product that needs to exist anymore

#

They should just go full send on WSL

worn ember
#

yes it does

vernal moth
#

Docker for windows is wsl2

worn ember
#

icba to install wsl or learn how to use it, so docker desktop for the win

#

no, you have to enable it

olive marlin
#

There's so much stuff broken on Docker for Windows, it's amazing.

merry talon
#

uh, you're a minority then

#

WSL makes dev work on windows 1000x easier

olive marlin
#

Mac isn't quite as bad, but it still is. Remember our QA team spending a few weeks learning about the differences just so thfey can change docker setup in tests so that TL can run them from their laptop.

worn ember
#

only time its significant for me is when patching paper

olive marlin
#

Me: searches Travis ci
Google:
You wanted CircleCI? Or maybe travis-ci.org which stopped being used by Travis quite some time ago?

vernal moth
#

Every time you don't click those links google learns to derank them

#

Whats maybe even worse for a ranking is if you open and instantly go back to your search

void void
#

anyone can help me with luckyperms

void void
#

even i want help

#

its cuz i need help with prefix

#

it doesnt show in chat

#

same exactly

#

even i want help damn

#

i also

#

where's all the free help

#

i have vault essential

#

@void void can you also help me plz

#

no

#

plz

#

no

#

can't give help while needing help myself smh 😀

green turret
#

I also want help. Preferably with this stupid cold or flu or whatever I'm currently battling.

void void
#

damn that's annoying

left swift
#

I dont need help but if someone is giving away free help I'll take some for later

green turret
#

Since Thursday evening too. Like, super sore throat, almost constant headache. And every time I sneeze or clear my throat, it's like a thousand years of agony.

#

Hot, humid weather probably isn't making things better. Ahhhh...

wispy blade
#

it's instant use or gtfo

left swift
#

I have this ziploc bag

wispy blade
#

put it over your head

left swift
#

Where do u think it is

green turret
#

Butt

#

For the spillage

worn ember
wispy blade
#

shut up DED

worn ember
olive marlin
#

That's why you never store secrets in code, even in private repos.

quasi valley
#

mfw having api keys in public repositories

void void
#

the only right way

quasi valley
wide chasm
#

It ain't truly open source if you don't leak your own api keys /s

olive marlin
#

I remember there being a website, which would scan all public repos and show you all tokens and secrets it found. Many were some dumb defaults, but there was plenty of real ones out there.

#

I can't find it anymore though.

zealous knot
#

You don’t need a website for that

#

Just search it on github lol

worn ember
#

@void voidwhat was that meme about windows kernel thing?

untold copper
#

where's barty

#

haven't seen him in a while

left swift
#

Being farty

untold copper
#

where he go lol

left swift
#

Probably in tuinity

untold copper
#

why tho

left swift
#

Cuz he uses it

untold copper
#

hm

worn ember
#

bit clickbait tho

left swift
#

Ur clickbait

worn ember
#

click me daddy

wispy blade
#

fuck off DED

left swift
wispy blade
#

be horny elsewhere

left swift
#

Naom aggressive

worn ember
viral hornet
red panther
#

Hi, what domain registrar do you recommend?

twin lagoon
#

porkbun

wispy blade
#

namecheap

untold copper
#

using bigrock for now

#

also

#

i love your profile pic

#

very epic 10/10

red panther
red panther
left swift
#

Google domains

olive marlin
#

PorkBun epic

viral hornet
twin lagoon
viral hornet
twin lagoon
viral hornet
red panther
ripe oracle
#

vanish 1.17 plugin?

mossy vessel
#

no

ripe oracle
#

:/

wispy blade
#

we're not google

ripe oracle
#

i tryed

#

but didnt find

#

all is n 1.16

wispy blade
#

then you gotta wait

#

Β―_(ツ)_/Β―

left swift
#

Did you try looking for one

mossy vessel
#

EssentialsX -> /vanish

left swift
#

But with your eyes

tropic flame
#

what was that command again

#

.try

limber knotBOT
tropic flame
#

there

limpid comet
#

ok what have i massively fucked up

#

intellij hasn't been working properly for the past 3 days

meager tusk
#

Maybe it's time for Eclipse bro

limpid comet
#

it started when i updated to the new EAP

meager tusk
limpid comet
#

then commits stopped working

#

so i downgraded, now the project browser won't even load files

#

i'm fucked

wispy blade
#

F

meager tusk
#

reinstall the IDE

#

and save the config files

limpid comet
#

invalidate & restart πŸ™

meager tusk
#

πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

limpid comet
#

already tried that too tho

meager tusk
#

That's odd

limpid comet
#

might be time for a new windows install

#

it is

meager tusk
#

LOL

#

That's a good excuse to reinstall windows

limpid comet
#

that's how i usually solve these kinda problems

#

ain't nothing a good nuke of the ssd can't solve

meager tusk
#

Yepyep

#

Minor inconvenience -> OS reinstall

limpid comet
#

i've got it down to a science now at this point

left swift
#

Reinstall me πŸ₯Ί

limpid comet
meager tusk
#

...

#

have you tried re-installing windows again?

#

Well there's your problem.

left swift
#

Did u try not shaking ur mouse

worthy geode
#

Just uninstall windows and install some OS without a GUI instead. No mouse cursor -> no stuttering

#

Text adventures!

oak charm
#

Anyone who knows a lot about recommended server specs regarding host, player amount, server version, bandwidth, cores etc... I need to talk to somebody before upgrading my host. πŸ™‚

warm anchor
#

What host you are using rn?

oak charm
#

Contabo

wispy blade
#

usually you want a cpu with good single core performance

worthy geode
#

Single core performance is important, Bloom and dedicatedMC are good. The end.

warm anchor
#

Even the Pc in my basement

left swift
#

Eternity is the upgrade

olive marlin
#

What about Raspberry Pi?

warm anchor
vernal moth
#

man

#

the efficiency

#

wtf

#

am wondering where all my trains are, and they all on the same route

warm anchor
#

If all trains are on same route and close like that . Wouldn’t it be even more efficient to just connect them to make a super long train? riepeek

oak charm
# warm anchor Anything you find will be an upgrade then

I am actually quite satisfied with Contabo. I just need to know more about how much bandwidth and core power i need. Right now I am running with 20-40 players on a 9 EURO/month VPS without any big problems. When we reach 40-60 the server starts to lag.

celest osprey
#

Hello fellas so as you guys know on Hypixel in bedwars da skywars lobbies everyone sees their own skin on NPC that shows stats talkin about this how cna i make this

warm anchor
#

First, have your own team of developers on payroll @celest osprey
then you can have fully custom things like Hypickle

ashen cliff
#

Just avoid Citizens2 at all cost. kekwhyper

warm anchor
ashen cliff
#

It's better now, but like a year ago, almost all issues were caused by them.

daring stirrup
#

Will 1.8.9 run on java 16

ashen cliff
#

Sadly, yes.

daring stirrup
ashen cliff
#

Yes.

#

Taco won't, Paper will.

daring stirrup
#

Nah nah nah

#

Paper 1.8.9 will run on java 16 minecraft server

ashen cliff
#

Yes.

daring stirrup
#

Lol thats great

frank otter
#

I'm kinda curious

#

for massive servers like hypixel where each individual server has a lot of common features

#

like chat levels etc etc

#

would it be better to have one big plugin or many many small plugins

ashen cliff
#

Depends on how well your ecosystem is designed.

#

Just one big modular plugin, should do the trick.

frank otter
#

ecosystem?

#

but like performance wise

#

wouldn't multiple smaller plugins have duplicated boilerplate

ashen cliff
#

Async bro.

frank otter
#

oh jeez

#

doesn't minecraft hate async

ashen cliff
#

For features like that, no.

frank otter
#

server side chat things? really?

#

I'm impressed

#

how does async even work at its base

#

is it actually multiple threads or does the jvm just switch tasks a lot

ashen cliff
#

Chat has been async for ages now.

#

Multiple threads.

frank otter
#

makes sense

#

then the os does the task switching which I assume is more optimizer

#

*d

worn ember
#

yes

vernal moth
#

I laughed way to hard when the guy talked about 3d cameras and there was an Xbox Kinect on screen ^^

ashen cliff
#

Depends on what your definition of 3d is.

vernal moth
#

It's most likely the cheapest mass produced camera module capable of depth

#

So it's really not dum

#

It's just funny

ashen cliff
#

Yeah, even the v2 is/was cheap, as people just instantly sold them.

vernal moth
#

Since I myself did play with object recognition on a Kinect

#

It was v2, ye

ashen cliff
#

I really like the Kinect v2, but god damn, there ain't any test programs for it. Just compile it yourself bro.

worn ember
#

yeah bro

#

we dont do the work for you bro

austere ivy
#

aight hopefully someone here can help me out, because my isp sure isn't being helpful

#

pinging google is giving me this

#

everything else (1.1.1.1, random other websites) is giving me a similar pattern, spikes in response time every 10 or so seconds

#

has anyone dealt with this issue before or have any idea why it's happening?

#

this issue started when I received a new modem from my isp because my old one (which was working fine) was no longer supported by them. can this type of problem even be caused by a faulty modem?

ashen cliff
#

Step 1: Traceroute.

left swift
#

Step 2: cry a little bit.

twin lagoon
#

Krusic!

#

BRO!

ashen cliff
#

Bromium.

worn ember
#

gotta be one hell of a potato router to get something like that tho

austere ivy
#

modem

worn ember
#

router, modem, same thing

left swift
#

Think of the path from ur pc to a server like a straw

#

Thry always get stuck in turtles noses

austere ivy
#

ah yes that helps, thanks nms.

left swift
#

That'll be $500 for tech support

austere ivy
#

I'm trying traceroute but I cannot read this at all lmao

limpid comet
#

oh NMS stands for @left swift

worn ember
#

you can probably check the MODEM logs aswel

austere ivy
#

guess I gotta sigh ~read~ about how to use traceroute

#

I'll be back

austere ivy
left swift
#

Post scree shot

austere ivy
#

ded . do you mean check router logs

worn ember
#

it logs all traffic, but if its gonna be useful that'll be the question

worn ember
austere ivy
#

i'm gonna log its face if it doesn't start not dropping packets

worn ember
#

if its dropped you wont get a response tho

#

icmp doesnt resent packets

limpid comet
#

overclock the router

left swift
#

Try blowing out packets from cartridge

limpid comet
#

i was at a house party yesterday and this guy had a whole mesh network of those Asus rog spider routers

#

but it went down like 5 times the whole day lol

austere ivy
worn ember
#

meanwhile i have a $50 router in my mancave to provide wifi to the entire street

waxen panther
#

did you just say mancave unironically

worn ember
#

are you gonna arrest me?

austere ivy
#

this isn't helping at all

waxen panther
#

wish i could tbh

austere ivy
#

logs are stupid

#

meanwhile this is still happening

worn ember
#

check the timings between you sending a packet and it ending up on the logs

limpid comet
#

that's the worst button I've ever seen

austere ivy
#

maybe it's google's fault

limpid comet
#

run /timings on the router

worn ember
#

do you have a custom dns?

limpid comet
#

god i am absolutely not helpful at all

austere ivy
#

I thought that I configured it to use 1.1.1.1, but traceroute is telling me otherwise

#

blul you are adorably helpful <3 thank you for your bad advice, it's cheering me up through this dreadful time

#

I would just ignore this, because I really don't care about packet loss that much, but garticphone keeps dropping my connect mid-game because of this and I wanna be able to play with my friends >:I

worn ember
#

ik you hate me brocc, but theres nothing you can do about it ❀️

left swift
#

Use traceroute

#

Call isp support

austere ivy
#

I did. I was on the phone for 30 minutes

worn ember
#

tier 1 support is literally useless 95% of the time

peak ginkgo
#

Team Paper, 1.17

austere ivy
#

the guy, whom was very nice BUT, kept going on and on about download speed and other devices being on the network. not at all focusing on the issue of ping response time

worn ember
austere ivy
#

alright dns 1.1.1.1 now

worn ember
#

networking is fun right

austere ivy
worn ember
#

@thorny rivet god i'm loving Avalonia already

austere ivy
#

alright router's on 1.1.1.1, I'm pinging 1.1.1.1, and this stupid stuff is still happening

#

gonna just ethernet my computer straight into the modem and check there

worn ember
#

try other devices too if you can

#

240ms is a long ass time for an icmp packet lul even if its on the other side of the planet

ashen cliff
#

Just put it in bridge mode and use your own router. kekwhyper

thorny rivet
worn ember
void void
#

am i legally allowed to download paper to attempt to find any (barely working) workarounds around the anticheat

worn ember
#

paper doesnt have any anti cheat mechanics? Other than the anti-xray

wispy blade
#

holy shit my little sister just dropped a bombshell of a fart

#

god damn

worn ember
#

thanks for the info

limpid comet
waxen panther
#

Gradle Dr @ Gradle inc

worn ember
#

Camel Dr

austere ivy
#

ok well I tried doing some things to hopefully fix my internet, but idk if garticphone will work now because none of the peeps I usually play with are available

#

so, uh, is anyone up for a round of garticphone bongocat

limpid comet
#

Tf is garticphone

austere ivy
#

it's kinda like telephone but with drawing

#

here's a link incase you wanna help me fix my darn internet play

#

nvm it's still showing packet loss. I'm just gonna throw out my modem and router, thanks for the help everyone

limpid comet
austere ivy
#

we can have a round later tho ^-^

worn ember
#

just call your ISP to come fix it or that you'll switch ISP

#

that usually gets them off their butt

limpid comet
#

Yes

#

Tell em you'll switch

#

And then even after they help you, switch anyways

wispy blade
merry talon
ashen cliff
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Anyway, Microsoft accounts are epic, since you get the worse possible Minecraft experience with it (currently).

merry talon
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That's why you play 1.8

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with offline mode

quasi valley
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I NEED it kappapride

wispy blade
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hi kneny

waxen panther
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you will NOT catch me using the m*gration cape

worn ember
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oh right you get a cape

quasi valley
worn ember
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As a wise man once said
"If everyones special, no one is"

waxen panther
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any sticker enthusiasts

wispy blade
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smh

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p2w stickers zzz

quasi valley
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more like pay2lose stickers

wispy blade
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TRUE

tropic flame
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is migration finally happening for everyone?

warm anchor
stuck wind
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Arek sent this in Barebones discord serv

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Best addon in existence steve_thumbsup

slim light
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what dns server are yall using?

twin lagoon
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1.1.1.1

brave radish
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9.9.9.9

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all the best ones have only one digit

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it's a rule

slim light
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why not your isps default?

warm anchor
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Coz it’s dogshit

twin lagoon
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^

brave radish
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cuz I don't wanna look it up when I set it

twin lagoon
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1.1.1.1 because i use cloudflare DNS for everything

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if i make a change to any cloudflare website it's pretty much instant

brave radish
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I also have 9.9.9.9 set as my computer's DNS server, not my router set to 9.9.9.9 and my computer set to 192.168.1.1

slim light
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i set 1.1.1.1 on my router

twin lagoon
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in the US you might wanna worry about ISPs injecting ads and shit with DNS

slim light
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trol

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you dont have to restart router after changing dns server right?

brave radish
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not unless your router is dumb dumb

twin lagoon
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^

slim light
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imma do it anyway

warm anchor
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Comcast done that

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They are like the evilest isp ever exist

left swift
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alinity emotes?

twin lagoon
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@warm anchor

void void
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yeah