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very impressive 
Oh here is the ban rta
poge?
whew. it is done.
you can now finish forks, even though it doesn't give you any benefit other than bragging rights (yet)
it's still at tehbrian.xyz/paper-forker if you haven't seen it yet, make sure to clear your cache if you've played before ;p
ooh and, one more thing, i'm taking code donations.
like, if you've got a java project that you want on there being typed out by the many, many millions of people who play this game, just lmk
oh yes
ideally just send me the raw github content and I can slap the link on a list and there ya go
other than that i hope y'alls enjoy being paper fork devs with what's made thus far
Discord canary
make a server with less than 5 members and one discord bot
and then enable community, and then enable threads
it was like for discord bot devs to test
hangar!
Since it looks like you might be a bot developer
i'm adding one of naomi's projects rn i could add that a few classes from hangar :D
any long classes in particular that feel especially complicated?
or like if you wanna cherrypick some and send em that'd be cool too
pls no look at code yet :')
i'll despagheti it later but right now it's uh. not pretty
it's cause I'm being lazy
easier to tell some function to redraw everything than individually redraw elements when they need to be redrawn
I just wanna get something out there for now
today is only day 0 of this project's existence :p
hmm. naomi i don't know why but my regex is failing to remove package and import statements from your code
oh.
wait ew oh ma gash why are you using \r\n instead of just \n for end of line
😂
you just made me have to change my regex just for your code lol
\n -> (\r|\n|\r\n)
tsk tsk tsk, you shall incur a 10% penalty on your Lines of Code generation for this crime
we dont have compricated classes for hangar since its so clean code, lmao
like, this is one of our longest classes https://github.com/HangarMC/Hangar/blob/master/src/main/java/io/papermc/hangar/service/internal/versions/VersionFactory.java
eh that works! thank ye kindly
hangar shall be forever immortalized in paper-forker
I should probably look over Hangar just to learn some better code practices though 👀
that is some very pretty code I must say
Not enough javadocs 🙂
@austere ivy why don't you just skip anything before ^\s(\w\s)?(class|enum|@?interface|record)
proxi this is an amazing suggestion thank you
o wait it'd skip javadoc though
hmng idk, i'll try that though
i'm right now trying to make naomi's code not act weird ._. the line endings are being a bit wonky for whatever reason
Thanks. I hate it.
my brain at 3:50 in the morning isn't the brightest ;p
I don't think that's the current time 
then just skip anything before that regex that also matches ^\s(package|import) :p
that way it will also work fine if I do e.g. ```java
class T {
String string = """
package hello.world;
import a.b.c;
""";
}
oooooh I see
thanks proxi :D
gaaah rn I'm starting with this: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/monkegame/monkeOneTap/main/src/main/java/online/monkegame/monkebotplugin2/pluginClass.java
that sure is code...
weird thing is that if the 2nd regex is \n\n, it compresses everything into one line
my brain isn't running at any% capacity but i'm trying to chug through this so that i can push final commits for the night
ok fixed it
i just had to find the right stackoverflow thread, that's my critical dev process
I like how when I search up plugins like Multiverse, and I only enter "Multiverse" into google, I always get temporarily annoyed by the fact the term multiverse is used by more than just one specific minecraft plugin 
Simple: Minecraft Multiverse
Good thing people started adding MC at the end of their <genericthing> project.
How to be a google pro
Anyone idea's on how to light up this room without random torches or ugly lanterns hanging everywhere?
Block light.
1.17 light block 
It's light block krusic smh
https://minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Light_Block
it's a server spawn fully built in survival
Sea lanterns/glowstone in the floor under carpet is also an option, but probably won't work in a "clean" room.
No bro. You are thinking of a different thing.
now this took ages and multiple shulkerboxes filled with quartz
dont feel like cheating
ded
what time is it for you 
it's literally 4:30 am for me. oh god why am i still up.
10:30 now lol
am
why do teachers do everything so early in the morning smh
i wanna sleep till noon
goin to sleep at 4:30, gonna have to sleep till noon lol
And waste your afternoon?
mari pls help am stuck
how doth I check if something matches both (?=^(package|import)) and [\s\S]+?(?=\s(\w\s)?(class|enum|@?interface|record))?
&& 
i wish
Two separate checks?
Do you know if package/import will be always before the other?
I'm trying to do it in one so that I can do string.replaceAll("supercoolregex", "")
package/import will always be before the other, because the other is literally matching everything before something
Bro.
wait.
Good luck.
oh wait am I dum
turns out I am but not as much as I thought I was. that didn't work.
Not sure how normal java code would have both.
I'm writing javascript ;p
dotall isn't supported in some browsers
Ah, OK.
trust me, I am not a fan of the fact that I know that
I am going through heck right now
too many searches with "regex" in my browser history lol
(?=^(package|import))[\s\S]+?(?=\s(\w\s)?(class|enum|@?interface|record))? this won't work? If you want both to be present in the same line, right
?
plunked that into my regex tester, that just matches eeeeeeeverything
everything before ?(?=\s(\w\s)?(class|enum|@?interface|record)) that is
Give examples of what you want to match, and what you don't?
God, I don't get that regex.
Mr. Incredible discovers a terrible secret...
This took me a hot minute to make man.
Kronos Unveiled
package online.monkegame.monkebotplugin2; //match
import org.bukkit.Bukkit; // match
import org.bukkit.Material; //match
import org.bukkit.inventory.meta.ItemMeta; // all these matched
import org.bukkit.plugin.java.JavaPlugin;
import org.bukkit.scheduler.BukkitScheduler;
import java.sql.Connection; // match this
import java.util.UUID; // match this
/** // don't match
* Blah blah blah blah. // don't match this
*/
public final class pluginClass extends JavaPlugin implements Listener { //no match
wouldn't you just surround it in (<regex1>|<regex2>)? or am i oversimplifying regex in my head rn
((?=^(package|import))|[\s\S]+?(?=\s(\w\s)?(class|enum|@?interface|record)))
You match everything, and then have \s(\w\s)?
every line that starts with package or import that comes before (class|interface|record)
Oh, doing multi-line regex search?
yuup
hi
I don't understand why (package|import)?(?=(class|enum|@?interface|record)) isn't just working
then again I don't understand regex much at all
hi simpl o/
you need the multiline flag
it's on
what are you using to test it
Jesus, I'd just write a super simple bash script to dumbly parse it line by line.
Or awk/js/.. Whatever.
simpl is in much better place than I am
I wish i was intoxicated than trying to deal with multiline regex
frik this I'm quittin and callin it a night for now, sorry proxi I will try to add this later
but for now I need sleeeeeeeeep
it'd be easier to implement an entire java parser into javascript than try to make regex for this eeeeeEE
h
and that's it for tonight, y'all. regex sucks right now, and I am mad at it. good frickin' night
night michael 
Hello I would like to ask if it is good to run mc server with 20 gb ram 6 cores and on pterodactyl and on vps server ?
Depends on the player count.
about 2O players but a about 40 plugins
Should be fine.
okay thanks
3 mspt, probably not after players join.
okay
only with KGBTuinity. @ashen cliff can confirm.
Fact!
I'd just manually go to the correct website and reset the password yourself.
Don't click links in the email to be safe.
Anyone know why the move command in worldedit is spawning stone in the gap after moving?
Sounds like a //fast or //perf side effect.
if the email ends with @mojang.com then it's real xd
yes
i turned everything on and that fixed it
dont know much about the settings or which one did the trick though, perhapse i should turn them one by one
ask someone who speaks chinese lmao
bald steve
Send pond videos
no.
Wtf why not
i only have pond pics
😩 😩
which is the same but shorter
Yes
I decided to stop using CMI today. Zrips insists that a bug is not a bug 
https://github.com/Zrips/CMI/issues/5775
why do you and so many people keep linking the 21w15a datapack
that's just wrong on so many levels
I'm pretty sure that's true.
are there permissions for individual gamemodes? i just want to block spectator
with essentials, yes
ok ty
It's a feature
I know that 21w15a is not recommended, but I think the way it is implemented in the first place is wrong, which is why we get these strange bugs.
Probably got hacked in to fix something else and now they need to hack in another fix
infinite
Legit, any other version other than 21w15a would be fine.

If this bug is left unaddressed, we cannot say that the same bug will not occur when 1.18 is released.
Simple. Just don't use CMI.
yes
Spigot already offers and API to check max and min world height.
So I'm going to stop using it today.
Tho I am still amazed that no one reported below 0 claiming to GP yet. 
it's not just "not recommended", it's literally wrong
21w15a to the 1.17 release datapack had loots of changed and fixes (even if unrelated to that CMI issue)
Are there any other plugins you would recommend besides GP?
I see. Thank you for pointing that out.
Idk, I was just going for the jokes
Usually we have Robo in IRC...
I'm sorry I'm not familiar with jokes outside of Japan 🥺
Any protection plugin to 1.12?
uh, no?
Not yet.
Please actually read the announcement
You can't ask a cat when to shit on a rug
🙄
They will do it when you're sleeping or about to leave home or about to have someone over, etc
I'm saving it
bowel problems? 

ok ShroomAssDragon
.NET 
Is a dedicated server better than a VServer for Minecraft? And why?
Yea
i mean a dedicated server won’t have any neighbors, with similar specs it would always be better for anything but also cost more
it's almost like buying hardware spec'd for a game server is better than a server spec'd for a web server split between several dozen people
@austere ivy merge my pr >:C
use google (https://github.com/itstehbrian/paper-forker/pull/1)
I love the message on the end lol
ikr
epic pr, as always
and i didn't even mess anything up B)
this isn't a marketplace lmao
Read the rules, this is not the place
I have no idea why, but rooibos makes me sick. Too sweet.
What is that?
.g rooibos
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@faint crystal ceo of discord streams
there you go
gg
Do you know plugin for display GUI when player join on server first time? And he cant close gui by using esc or e, he has to click on some item in this gui?
for what
you can find plugins with gui maybe like captcha, not sure
idk other reason than that
Hm

guy got banned from paper for some comments which where iirc racist
and then blocked paper from loading
and then got banned from spigot for the same thing
so last I knew he quit dev and never even actually released that
Hello.
They still look very much alive contributing to Skript.
Yes.
mmm was that the person throwing around racial slurs with Ivan? 
We're currently being hosted in ServerPro, I've been hearing that it's a scam and stuff.
Is this by any chance true?
There are much better solutions out there
Let's just say that Server.pro isn't very good for your money.
server.pro is trash
Wouldn't exactly say that they're a scam, they're just generally not great
I've heard that Humble and Bloom is good.
What are your thoughts?
And what could compete to them perfromance wise?
We're using the 40usd one for server pro. And I'm not sure if we're being provided the right device.
for the 40usd plan you can get much better stuff
katamari such a good game
Even dedicated at that point. 
yes
Dedicated doesn't support asia so I might consider Bloom at this point.
What rep does ServerPro has and it's frowned upon?
Yeah, I've been comparing specs. It does sound better for Bloom since theyre using a better processor.
that's where you'll get the most performance out of yes
And bloom is a few dollars cheaper
So that's pretty nice as well
Thanks folks, Especially, Michael.
We'll consider moving our server to bloom.
Depending on what our developer thinks about it.
Hm. I checked Bloom, seems to not havge Asia.
We'll probably go for humble thensince it has Asia support
Hello, quick question, is player mob rendering have to do with view distance? For example, AFKing 128 blocks away from a mob farm even though the view distance is at 6 in server properties, or should it be bumped up to 8 in that case?
If you're 128 away horizontally, yes
Vertically, it's fine
Nothing ticks, spawns or w/e outside your view distance
I'll check Extravm as well
Made a Creeper farm and all looks good but I can't seem to figure out why they're not spawning pretty much at all even though my spawns are as normal, thanks for the help tough!
the exodus has begun https://is.paper.sexy/gbY0IBYt.png 😅
Very epic.
Howdy folks
can't wait for microsoft stealing half of my minecraft accounts -.-
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Opinion of MC-Market doesn't seem too great here 
Expected.

Not a fan?
Very much not.
not particularly
Why's that?
No quality control.
half is people selling shitty premade servers and the other half is people selling SuperOptimizedDeluxeSSSpigot which is just tuinity with a default config 
Eh. MCM manually reviews every resource whereas platforms like Spigot only review the paid ones
I agree that people selling those sorts of forks is a bit silly
mcm doesn't review for quality though
If they were tuinity with a default config they'd not be approved though. They've gotta be at least a slight difference
So just like Spigot you ignore licenses? 
they review for "following their rules"
while as spigot premium resources need to follow certain standards (whether or not you agree with them being high enough is another point)
MCM doesn't ignore licenses: https://www.mc-market.org/wiki/redistribution-rights/
also you can just sell whatever shit you want on MCM without them caring about licensing
the amount of spigot/paper-forks which clearly violate the GPL that are sold there is pretty Pepega
It's something I'll look into
(and I'm not talking about the supposed virality of the GPL in regards to plugins using the API here, I'm talking about them straight up sharing GPL code from the spigot/paper server, potentially even selling Vanilla binaries)
pretty sure I have seen pre-built, non-patching server jars from mcm floating around
Is the opinion of Spigot's resources not favorable either then? My understanding was that many developers really liked Spigot's systems
spigot's is... fine
people like that something exists
it's not bad, wouldn't say i love it either
it has it's issues but it's the best solution there currently is
xenforos resource manager is pretty meh, but, something is better than nothing
mainly the tech is a bit dumb
The resource manager definitely needs a bunch of additions made to it to make it beneficial
and the rules are a bit lax
like I would be fully in favour of forcing all plugins to be under a free software license
Their rules are a bit too strong in some areas imo. Not allowing obfuscation or products over $20 is unnecessary and only hurts developers
but the backlash would be insane and not really something md and the rest want lol
no
lmao
it doesn't
obfscation should be fully banned
So you're against paid products entirely?
people employing anti consumer practices can go fuck themselves
taking aside anticheats, it's pretty clear what kind of people obfuscate their plugins and what don't
Why is allowing obfuscation a bad thing?
I am against paid products which exmply anti consumer practices like not providing their source code
*employ
free software doesn't mean that it's not paid
obfuscation 
For one, it fucks over anybody who ever needs to update that plugin if the author ever gets bus factored
not to mention theres the whole GPL and such
and spigots pricing limit is bleh, but, it's well stated and spigot doesn't wanna be a place for people to make a living from
the price limit is more about "if you make that kind of money then you should not be profitting off of our free site and use your own shop"
Interesting, I don't think I'd really want that if I were spigot but I guess it comes down to different values and goals with the platforms
also I think I vagually remember some legal implications but I'm not sure about that lol
in general, code obfuscation isn't a ""bad"" thing, but there's a difference between a company selling their AAA game and someone changing 1000 lines in the Minecraft server or some non anticheat plugin
I think that as long as the fact that it's obfuscated is clear before you purchase it then you should understand the implications of that and it should be the choice of the creator
who would've thought
any sold closed source project is cringe and extremely cringe
making it clear "you alone are at fault if this has a hidden backdoor" should not be the choice of the creator
mcmarket facilitating absolute garbage like recycled 1.8 forks or low-effort shit like ssspigot is a good one too
generally people will think of low quality products with the name mcmarket
this is a pretty good read about free software btw: https://www.getgnulinux.org/en/linux/misunderstanding_free_software/ ;D
The only good forks are the free ones lol
also of course some good old RMS: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html
^ because anything you allow will grow, and mcm basically allows everything...
Do you think that's inevitable Michael?
It's great to talk to you all, I own MC-Market by the way so I'd definitely love to learn more about your thoughts on it
Heyyyy @tribal tundra big fan, step one to make MCM a better place is to remove this banner: https://i.imgur.com/1qNVCfe.png
mcm has no interest in real filtering, after all they profit from every single one who sells on them


phoenix profit how?
Truly a terrible stain on the community
become self-reliant
And yeah I remember kankarko had some drama around him on Spigot a few months back
I mean, there was his illegal advertising
It also doesn't have any proper licenses anywhere and promotes violating Bukkit GPL, so...
He was banned for a good reason 
just, enforce more "common sense" rules for paid resources, also better rules regarding license and distribtion violations
His sheer incompetence
There was something which made some change and he was getting all kinda demandy for somebody to spoon the answer to him rather than reading
i do think with mcmarket's current policies, low quality content is inevitable
obfuscation is indeed one of the few things, those policies are a bit more relaxed than spigot's
I've seen people coming from his course and his material is basically a "copy everything I do around this overengineered mess of a library I created" with very little understanding of actual java
That sort of mindset from kids learning from him is pretty shit for sure
2lstudios mc market is pretty cool though, they have the free jar on spigot and you can buy a version on mc market with a predone config
If I can't get access to the source to modify it to my server needs, that resource can go f*ck itself.
I'm not familiar, what is 2lstudios?
arent those the flamecord guys
Ya
sounds like spigot rule violation 👀
seems like a good business 😁
what's a spigot rule violation?
Im just saying how they use mc market is cool
advertising offsite products
Oh really?
For months he was consistently breaking that rule
free promotion for MCM 
Kekw mcm
hi mini
He also emailed everyboy from his paypal list, which I might note is illegal practically everywhere anybody cares about these days
Has anyone whos done that suffered legal repression, or do they just get like disliked
It's a hard life for sure
one of the low quality product creators

using emails/data improperly? yes
you've also got the people behind aegis on mcmarket
He's trying to better his ways & his site, he's already confirmed the removal of kangarko 
although pretty sure yooniks is banned
oh actually that's a good point
mcmarket is a fucking shit show if you look at bans
Just, people don't stand up to this type of shit, and so people like kang get away skirting the rules for years
you can find any thread that's a year old and find atleast one person banned for scamming
yeah hahaha
or some other reason
Just like all marketplaces scamming happens
one is generous
but mcm is the one where it happens most <-<
We're more transparent about our punishments than other platforms
Which is why paper will never have a marketplace
Aint nobody got time for such shit Shows
Paper gets a lawyer team lol
Oh, so a partnership isn't too likely then!
open-source moment?! 👀
that's a fun captcha
https://is.papr.best/gbLz9ipR.png
If we ever allow ppl to sell stuff on hangar, it's gonna be manually quality controlled
I'm thinking about updating to 1.17, only, didn't 1.17 also require you to update your java version?
You need java 16 minimum now
ewww I hate those and don't find them accessible at all. why not just use hCaptcha 😐
Ah,
finally, after 10 tries I have a new microsoft account
any specified version of java the devs advised?
I hate hCaptcha so much
Hcaptcha is horrible
adoptopenjdk is fine
Literally the worst
https://www.mc-market.org/resources/16180/ on the homepage of resources
what captcha is better then?
it's so difficult

@wanton duneAc they have an audio mode too and one where you just click the correct side up picture
nice ping
What don't you like about recaptcha? Not a fan of google?
#BestBot
?
don't blame the bot
yeah hcaptcha is ass
blame phoenix
nothing beats recaptcha
uh, no I don't hate google, I just find hcaptcha to be less annoying to solve
what do we wanna bet all the bungee mcm fork "optimisation" are just velocity code yoinked
Does MCM get kick backs from plugins?
Cloudflare switched to hCaptcha and so MCM users had to do a bunch of them and I thought i was gonna be crucified
No, we don't take a cent of resource purchases
(all captchas are ass)
Why pay for something on mcm when its free here lol
Sweet, remove le tumors
MCM requires up front payment afaik?
upfront payment for what
In that case, blame Cloudflare. Even when under Tor, Cloudflare only gives me one captcha at most
We currently do require a $10 Premium rank to post paid resources, but that's planned to change
lmao
Honestly a better solution than requiring 3 free plugins or whatever Spigot does I think
(because how else would you be able to enforce actual rules and quality control on existing stuf?)
(not just because that $10 goes into my pocket)
Kind of funny that theres a self-bot complaining about rule violations lol
mh, any specified version? or just anything above 16
not a self-bot
how about making it so the resources are actually GPL compliant
I mean, Spigot premium resources aren't a market place
webhook, not selfbot
Ah alright
aren't they?
what's mcmarket's policy on custom licensing
they are a place for community members to make some side money
Who do ppl think a self bot would have the bot tag, what the tuck
and community members are expected to be part of the community
as in, licensing systems built into plugins
Cloudflare is also fun lately
The hidden replies tell a story. It's clear that @Cloudflare know they're aiding and protecting a site responsible for killing someone, and they don't care.
Go look, see what they're refusing to acknowledge and take responsibility for. https://t.co/35oQejlOH6
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647
spigot doesn't care about people that are just there for the money
We allow for licensing systems built into plugins as long as it's clearly explained on the page and obvious before purchase
16 is the only released version of java that works, 17 is in preview :)
https://www.mc-market.org/wiki/redistribution-rights/ full info on our redistribution rights if you're curious
How does spigot make money
donations
Course you do mate
What do you expect? It's so stupid to stire up drama for stuff like that
Ah, I haven't followed java for a while, Thanks!
Cloudflare prolly hosts millions of sites their founders wouldn't agree with
Still, would expect some sort of proper response instead of just hiding the replies
"donations", more like purchases of name changes
but on the other hand what do you respond to that
That's just the social media person getting annoyed
if hangar wasnt coming i'd pay to make my name lowercase 
is hangar gonna be just free plugins then?
spigot also has ads for non-logged in users
"hey we know one of our customers is a forum the often pushes people into suicide so please stop annoying us about it"
uBlock Origin moment
Shit like this is so dumb mate: https://i.imgur.com/9QoOzQK.png
I doubt it actually "makes money", more like "barily covers the costs"
do not decompile something you have just bought we must hide our shitty code 
Love it when paid Minecraft Spigot (and forks) plugins have their own TOS like that
Spigot doesn't have much costs I don't think so
'respect our licence but fuck yours'
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Yeah, it's infuriating
Exactly
this is the TOS of almost all my plugins: https://phoenix616.dev/licenses/gpl-v3.txt :)
GPL rules
I try to use https://phoenix616.dev/licenses/agpl-v3.txt more though 👀
& tbh, micko, it's one of the few reasons I (and presumably others) don't use MCM.
You have these whack ass rules, and these wombats that actually thing they have their own special license
ooo I sometimes do MIT (which is probably not what I should use)
agpl 
It's not something I've ever thought much about (I'm not a developer) but I'll discuss with my team moving forward
here we go
oof?
surprise, no one cares
did I just start some drama?!
let's not have this discussion for the 30th time again
My goal with MC-Market is to be the best platform for authors to sell their products possible, and a big part of that is obviously to ensure that authors are treated fairly
(including those that dont use our platform)
It's good you're wanting feedback, MCM just needs to have that shit stained feel removed.
aren't there thousands of platforms like that nowadays? 🤔
Well, I doubt mcm will ever get rid of it's image
the main goal should be to treat customers fairly
And the toxicity
Our toxicity has drastically decreased over the years
Well if there's big enough change and enforcement it would be possible to improve its image
No more paid spigot forks with weird licenses is step 1
Compared to the shithole it was in 2015 when I joined it's far better now and we continue to improve
easiest would be to force every product to provide their source code on the platform itself, that way buyers can directly get access to the source if they want
sorry, step 1 is remove kangarko, then continue
spigot forks and spigot plugins pls
ideally plugins get built by the shop itself too (think F-Droid) instead of sellers, that way you remove potential binary-code-mismatch
that would be pog
cc-by-sa 4.0 if you want Mick 😉 https://papermc.io/community-guidelines
(and massively improve the security as backdooring would be impossible)
Where the hell are you all runs'ing to
Should become best for users, both authors and buyers. Don't only do sellers side.
What do y'all think about things sold on MCM other than jars and plugins?
I mean, mcm still allows selling prebuild servers which obviously are a copyright violation
What else is sold? lol
server setups / configs are dumb
we probably shouldn't be running lmao
i wouldn't be surprised if premium plugins get distributed with such server setups
Configs are fine imo
They're not
If premium plugins are included in setups, even accidentally, the user is punished severely
People can't be assed to configure something themself, it's like the NCP config that lives somewhere.
it's more about a pre-built server binary without patches/building system
Any redistribution of software without permission is a copyright violation
any dev of spigot/paper could just DMCA takedown that shit lol
what if there's a benefit (not too big obviously) for people that open-source their resources?
yesss, definitely start forbidding people to literally redistribute full server jars lmao
So unless the authors of such prebuild setups have written permission to redistribute all the plugins, it's a copyright violation
Not that you would but Can you legally sell a prebuild server if the jar is removed
the benefit should be that they are allowed to sell their stuff
I'm surprised you didn't receive angry Mojang letters about that yet
mojang doesn't care about that part
I know, michael 
They'd have to buy the resources first 
We have had some fun conversations with Microsoft's lawyers
leak time
facilitating mc account selling
I do regret how long it took to remove it. Removing it was the best decision we've ever made for the site tbh
why do people even want to buy that?
Pretty sure we don't allow those posts so it should be removed by the mods shortly
Idk for weird flexing a badge
(cheap)
(((((((cheap)))))))
selling minecon cape 1998 ($100000) (cheap)
quick, someone run some numbers on how many custom enchantments and prison core resources are being sold on mcm rn
prison kernel bro
What's wrong with them being sold?
Nothing, I just find these kinds of resources to be overdone
low quality
There's a market of people interested in buying them
Selling
, for cheap
no 😠
why would you buy 10 of them?
yes?

"low quality" smh
good luck determining the quality of every resource uploaded
that entire section is sketchau
that's literally what I do, Camm :)
You've got a lot of catching up to do then
I mean I have been at it for a couple years on spigot ;)
does that mean that, given any resource page, you can return me a value that represents the perceived quality of the resource in question? :p
We're certainly not in a position I'm fully happy with on the site, but we're constantly improving and I think that our reputation is slowly recovering as well
Why not just nuke that whole sub forum
At least you guys don't think we're the worst marketplace!
NickAc: if you give me the code too, sure. the value will only be a Boolean though
Why have other products on a minecraft market website
Do we all agree that Songoda is the worst marketplace?
I remember finding mcm before I became active in the community, browsing it for a while and deciding I'll never use it again.
the thing with songoda is that not only sellers, but also the lead is extremely sketchy
Songoda is shit, but atleast they're (relatively?) set around only selling minecraft related things
granted brianna does weird shit so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
That's sometimes a stretch since most spigot paid resources are not open-source
"what's a decompiler?"
but you still have a lot of room for improvement at mcm, let's say that much :p
You may not like MCM but at least you know that I'm not endangering children and creating leak sites
I certainly agree kneny
I mean no matter how you polish a turd, it’s still a turd. The site is full of questionable shit and not getting removed. Selling discord account is flat out against tos
by allowing obfuscation?
terrifying
oh
I legit found a thread of someone selling social media followers
i've always wondered, did he try to make himself look like a clown in that picturfe?
is it some 4D Chess marketing strategy
Yeah, I don't think so? But it's very weird placement for a splash of colour
LMAO WHAT
It’s one of those shitty place that people will always remember as unmoderated garbage
I just noticed
surely thats clown hair
remember when drama was started because of an adblock filter? 
where?
Spigot
Who deals with scam complaints?
I can only imagine how much shit would come from so many of these sub forums

Our team of scam resolvers handle it
What a legend team
It's all public if you'd like to see exactly how it's done
I'm quite proud of our system
oh damn, let's not forget about the anti-cheats! Let me buy 100 of them right now
how much do you pay your staff btw? 👀
phoenix looking for a new place to review resources? 
Pay me
All staff members are paid, and we pay most per staff-related activity they do on the site
Such as mod reports, resource approvals, etc
Scam report messages
where does the money come from? the premium purchases?
Pheonix can sell his free spigot plugin on there. The dumbass user there will pay for it.
ads
Kangarko ads
https://www.mc-market.org/support/scam-reports/ if you wanna read our scam reports (no clue why I'm shooting myself in the foot like this)
Ads and account upgrades are how we make money, yeah
I think the account upgrades are fine
We don't have AdSense or anything, all of our ads are completely community-sourced (for better or for worse)
not bad paying for a service, just nicer if the service doesn't feel sketchy.
The sketchy feel is certainly something we're working towards fixing
We're migrating to XenForo 2 in a few months and it's been an absolutely huge project
Step 1 will be remove questionable listing that can still be easily found
I still don't get why not every commercial website needs to provide company contact information lol
but I assume Pty. Ltd. is US?
You've said that but you've also seemed iffy about removing some sketch af things. But I hope it does, having an alternative market place is never a bad thing
au
Pty. Ltd. is Australia
ah
Does anyone have rhe issue where the hydrogen mod causes the loading screen keeps reloading

I never used to have it on there but when I applied to partner with a company they were being a bitch about it not being listed anywhere
Yeah. Me and md_5 are both Australian's named Michael who own minecraft forums but we're not the same person I promise
oof, I just noticed the uBo wasn't enabled in igocnito mode
What state
are you in vic too
WA
gross
imagine not being in WA
Im aussie too lol
camm 
the amount of shitty gif ads...
how's covid over there, loser?
sus
first lockdown yet mate
Are u from perth?
nothings changed for me anyway 
we're in a lockdown too
sucked in
Same
gladys 
not allowing gif ads would massively improve the professionalism of mcm btw ;)
if seeing some moving images makes you not wanna use a site then the internet probably isnt the place for you
have you gotten the 2 5G upgrades yet?
no, it makes me want to block ads
No clue about 5G
which means that nobody benefits from it
ads nowadays don't really move

Just be glad you haven't seen our rainbow name colour yet
the vaccine 👀
if you want to do it right just do it the google/facebook way: sponsored listings that look like the rest
https://www.mc-market.org/members/68226/ this is what the rainbow name colour looks like (this is my alt, no users actually have it)
runs
That's what stickies are basically
looks great
A user had it a couple months back because he donated $2700 USD to our charity fundraiser to get it for 9 months
Nice what was the charity?
We've done one a year since I took over
Australia is doing so well compared to over here
Most recent one we did was for Beyond Blue, an Australian mental health charity
Kinda helped that no one wants to go near
We raised $25,000 AUD in a month for them. More info here: https://www.mc-market.org/threads/608186/
It's definitely what I'm most proud of about our site
We're not all evil villains wearing eyepatches I promise
Okay but stop tarnishing your site with weird shit like kangarko ads
I believe that once you stop violating my copyright :)
runs etc

nothing to run about that
GPL moment
If you create a ticket our team will definitely look into it phoenix
how would I do that without purchasing every single server and checking it?
You don't need to do that. You can request that we don't let your products into setups that are sold on the site and we'll not allow people to. We do that for a number of products that are free
Even if you don't have an account you can open a guest ticket here: https://www.mc-market.org/tickets/new
well glhf because he probably means his Spigot patches with "contributions" 
ok, well here are some of my products: https://hub.spigotmc.org/stash/projects/SPIGOT/repos/bukkit/browse https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper
there we go
with one ticket phoenix singlehandedly destroys MC-Market
but yeah, that's arguably the worst part, the pre-compiled, closed sourced server forks being sold
BRUH
It's definitely something I'll look into and discuss with the team @quasi valley
great
Nice. Let’s change topic to something better
just force everyone to be open-source
no, force them to be free software
no
kappa

on it 
In our previous fundraiser they sent me a super cute hand-written card
Let me see if I can find it
what's LIVIN'
Ahh might just be an east coast charity
I think we're gonna do a US one next
corrupt
Damn mc market owner????
OmG PlS GiB GiFt cArd
$5 on mcm for an autograph
ya just type mick in chat lol
runs etc
runs etc
type in chat?
i was kidding saying you type in chat your auto
@waxen panther 
buying
buying a 100$ paper fork with nothing but legacy support and microoptimizations
did brocc get demoted again lol
I guess we can start from there. make attachments able to be seen by everyone
no idea what the fuck that letter says
but then how am I supposed to coerce you into joining??
most forums actually
hand writing at it's finest
The card says:
Dear Mr McLevie,
I wanted to take a moment and thank you for the amazing gift you gave our mission at AbleGamers. We are going to be able to get ten people w/ disabilities into games because of this!! You are forever part of our family! My email is [redacted]
Mark Barlet
Founder
get some glasses then, michael
I'm already there, I just don't like having to sign in because someone can't be arsed to link to an image provider outside of the forum
write to me ?
look you can't tell me to get some glasses when there's shit like this
didslsamdmksmdl

epic?
omg michael hahaha
I can read it fine
I could read it fine except that word
Also, maybe there are other ways of getting people to join, no?
it was a joke
I thought they were trying to mention a type of disability, not actually write the word haha

i think you just need to learn cursive, Michael
mick what do you think of vb long necks in the morning
I've only ever had one vb before and it was because my friend's dad pressured me into it
𝓼𝓱𝓾𝓽 𝓾𝓹, 𝓶𝓲𝓬𝓱𝓪𝓮𝓵
imagine drinking anything other than Carlton Dry 
that's our secret language now
Old mate loves a VB long neck for breakfast at 20 to 8 in the morning.
hahaha
that's camm
posted by official muzzbuzz youtube accounjt
is muzzbuzz still around or did they go bankrupt
there used to be a bunch in perth and they disappeared
i think they're still around but isn't that just a wa thing
and were replaces with fucking 7/11 apparently
i've never seen them in qld
Muzz Buzz outlets can be found at over 35 locations within the Perth metropolitan area.
I swear to god every time I drive down any street there's a 50% chance there'll be a 7/11 under construction at some point
spudshed next door to my gym
im too rich off of kangarko ad money to want to go there so i go to woolies
ugh
I go back to perth WA every year but covid throw a wrench in my plans 😫
you think you can get into WA? thats cute
soon™️
soon in like 2023
It's okay kenny
no it's not 
You'll be here soon™️ too
hahaha
well you cant open the border to Melbourne yet lol
Have kangarko's services ever resulted in good resource authors? Legit curious on this..
ok i have a question
and they aren't learning Java, just learning how to hack plugins together
I'm not omniscient I have no way of knowing that
don't we all
can you like change the java jar compression level
using kangarko's own framework too 
whether or not you like his teaching methods he's getting kids into programming
at least we can be glad that those people can make their own "prison kernel" plugins
That's cool and all, but good practices need to be addressed earlier
I think it's just his ugly mug everywhere, dumb "licensing" rules, & the fact he's doing other shady shit
he's also luring people into paying large sums of money for a small waste of time, in terms of actually learning how to become "self-reliant"
He’s misleading kids on how stuff works which can cause long lasting brain damage
lmao
goodnight micko, good luck cleaning up your wasteland
Goodnight sir, that's my job!
I might head off too. Nice chatting to everyone I really appreciate your opinions and insights
Trust me: give it a few weeks and you'll be more excited for MCM than for that shitty ore platform 😉
(please dont ban me, I jest)
not bad
spigot is never going to move to 2 lmao
that's a lot of limbs
ive put my kids into public school to be able to afford it
sorry kids mcm comes first
who knows really. the community is fragmented into lots of marketplaces anyway
that's not good enough, I want to be a monopoly with absolute market control to fulfil my dreams of becoming a dictator
nice
looks like you should go to sleep soon as well, mick 
while you're doing that, please enforce GPL at the same time hehe
w h o ?

day #23 of trying to get abs (yesterday): No exercise as there was painting being done on walls
day #24 of trying to get abs: Did a 30 min cardio HIIT with the following: sprawls (40 seconds on, 20 seconds off), Side plank (20s each side, 20s off at end), Dumbell (7.5kg) Squat (40s on, 20s off), mountain climbers (40s on, 20s off) and jumping jacks (40s on, 20s off). This is 1 round, I did 5 of them.

alright guys here's my log
ooh what colour was the paint
runs etc
I curled some potato chips into my mouth
what a great way of solving issues. Binary search through them by deleting half of them!
bout to go downstairs and grab a cold cherry coke from the fridge
that's day #1 for me so far, thanks for listening
Day 1250 of paper general:
day #1 going to take a shower now 10 min
Anyone know if chestshop is working in 1.17?
im sure it is
(iCononmyChestShop)
Okay jw cuz I’m about to install vault, jobs, mcmmo and chestshop and wanted to make sure they were all good for 1.17
when the air is sus
nice I fucked up the diff on that log, i'll fix that
for some odd reasons there's villager data trades that contained air and a block entity tag, which is why that's happening
Epic. So no world corruption to be expected.
if (entityId == null && "minecraft:air".equals(itemId)) {
LOGGER.warn("Unable to resolve BlockEntity for ItemStack (V704): " + itemId);
removeId = false;
} else {
you can see I flipped the check...
zstd compression when?
can do ur mom tho
can you tho
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