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thorny flickerBOT
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:raised_hands: Kicked SimonOD#8963 (dum spam) [1 total infraction] -- MiniDigger#3086.

vernal moth
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Sure

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I'll take that

warm anchor
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Man the new 4K limit

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Is impressive

quasi valley
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very impressive omegaroll

warm anchor
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Oh here is the ban rta

wispy blade
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poge?

austere ivy
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whew. it is done.

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you can now finish forks, even though it doesn't give you any benefit other than bragging rights (yet)

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it's still at tehbrian.xyz/paper-forker if you haven't seen it yet, make sure to clear your cache if you've played before ;p

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ooh and, one more thing, i'm taking code donations.

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like, if you've got a java project that you want on there being typed out by the many, many millions of people who play this game, just lmk

wispy blade
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oh yes

austere ivy
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ideally just send me the raw github content and I can slap the link on a list and there ya go

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other than that i hope y'alls enjoy being paper fork devs with what's made thus far

autumn glen
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let's get started with threads sunglase

wispy blade
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wtf

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how

autumn glen
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Discord canary

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make a server with less than 5 members and one discord bot

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and then enable community, and then enable threads

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it was like for discord bot devs to test

autumn glen
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Since it looks like you might be a bot developer

austere ivy
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i'm adding one of naomi's projects rn i could add that a few classes from hangar :D

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any long classes in particular that feel especially complicated?

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or like if you wanna cherrypick some and send em that'd be cool too

vernal moth
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lemme see

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holy why are there so many redraw calls

austere ivy
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pls no look at code yet :')

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i'll despagheti it later but right now it's uh. not pretty

vernal moth
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I just opened dev tools and already saw it

austere ivy
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it's cause I'm being lazy

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easier to tell some function to redraw everything than individually redraw elements when they need to be redrawn

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I just wanna get something out there for now

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today is only day 0 of this project's existence :p

wispy blade
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nice, got a 404, somehow

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on the favicon 👀

vernal moth
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because there is no favicon and your browser guessed the url

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and failed

austere ivy
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hmm. naomi i don't know why but my regex is failing to remove package and import statements from your code

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oh.

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wait ew oh ma gash why are you using \r\n instead of just \n for end of line

vernal moth
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😂

austere ivy
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you just made me have to change my regex just for your code lol

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\n -> (\r|\n|\r\n)

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tsk tsk tsk, you shall incur a 10% penalty on your Lines of Code generation for this crime

vernal moth
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we dont have compricated classes for hangar since its so clean code, lmao

austere ivy
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eh that works! thank ye kindly

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hangar shall be forever immortalized in paper-forker

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I should probably look over Hangar just to learn some better code practices though 👀

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that is some very pretty code I must say

wide chasm
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Not enough javadocs 🙂

austere ivy
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stef is team javadoc every single thing I see? ;D

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I'm in there too ;p

minor badge
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@austere ivy why don't you just skip anything before ^\s(\w\s)?(class|enum|@?interface|record)

austere ivy
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proxi this is an amazing suggestion thank you

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o wait it'd skip javadoc though

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hmng idk, i'll try that though

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i'm right now trying to make naomi's code not act weird ._. the line endings are being a bit wonky for whatever reason

austere ivy
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my brain at 3:50 in the morning isn't the brightest ;p

quasi valley
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I don't think that's the current time kappapride

minor badge
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then just skip anything before that regex that also matches ^\s(package|import) :p

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that way it will also work fine if I do e.g. ```java
class T {
String string = """
package hello.world;

import a.b.c;
""";
}

austere ivy
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oooooh I see

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thanks proxi :D

minor badge
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that sure is code...

austere ivy
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weird thing is that if the 2nd regex is \n\n, it compresses everything into one line

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my brain isn't running at any% capacity but i'm trying to chug through this so that i can push final commits for the night

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ok fixed it

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i just had to find the right stackoverflow thread, that's my critical dev process

little knoll
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I like how when I search up plugins like Multiverse, and I only enter "Multiverse" into google, I always get temporarily annoyed by the fact the term multiverse is used by more than just one specific minecraft plugin kek

ashen cliff
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Simple: Minecraft Multiverse

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Good thing people started adding MC at the end of their <genericthing> project.

karmic harness
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How to be a google pro

ashen cliff
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Speed.

void void
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Anyone idea's on how to light up this room without random torches or ugly lanterns hanging everywhere?

ashen cliff
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Block light.

quasi valley
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1.17 light block sunglasses

olive marlin
void void
olive marlin
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Sea lanterns/glowstone in the floor under carpet is also an option, but probably won't work in a "clean" room.

ashen cliff
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No bro. You are thinking of a different thing.

void void
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now this took ages and multiple shulkerboxes filled with quartz

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dont feel like cheating

worn ember
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teacher "i'll call you at time x"
time: 10 mins past x

austere ivy
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ded

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what time is it for you thinkfused

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it's literally 4:30 am for me. oh god why am i still up.

worn ember
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10:30 now lol

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am

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why do teachers do everything so early in the morning smh

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i wanna sleep till noon

austere ivy
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goin to sleep at 4:30, gonna have to sleep till noon lol

ashen cliff
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And waste your afternoon?

austere ivy
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mari pls help am stuck

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how doth I check if something matches both (?=^(package|import)) and [\s\S]+?(?=\s(\w\s)?(class|enum|@?interface|record))?

ashen cliff
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&& kekwhyper

austere ivy
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i wish

olive marlin
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Two separate checks?

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Do you know if package/import will be always before the other?

austere ivy
austere ivy
ashen cliff
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Bro.

austere ivy
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wait.

ashen cliff
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Good luck.

austere ivy
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oh wait am I dum

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turns out I am but not as much as I thought I was. that didn't work.

olive marlin
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Not sure how normal java code would have both.

austere ivy
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I'm writing javascript ;p

olive marlin
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Oh.

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What is this dum? [\s\S] isn't it matching everything, so could just be .?

austere ivy
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dotall isn't supported in some browsers

olive marlin
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Ah, OK.

austere ivy
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trust me, I am not a fan of the fact that I know that

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I am going through heck right now

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too many searches with "regex" in my browser history lol

olive marlin
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(?=^(package|import))[\s\S]+?(?=\s(\w\s)?(class|enum|@?interface|record))? this won't work? If you want both to be present in the same line, right

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?

austere ivy
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plunked that into my regex tester, that just matches eeeeeeeverything

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everything before ?(?=\s(\w\s)?(class|enum|@?interface|record)) that is

olive marlin
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Give examples of what you want to match, and what you don't?

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God, I don't get that regex.

worn ember
austere ivy
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package online.monkegame.monkebotplugin2; //match

import org.bukkit.Bukkit; // match
import org.bukkit.Material; //match
import org.bukkit.inventory.meta.ItemMeta; // all these matched
import org.bukkit.plugin.java.JavaPlugin;
import org.bukkit.scheduler.BukkitScheduler;

import java.sql.Connection; // match this
import java.util.UUID; // match this

/**                            // don't match
 * Blah blah blah blah.        // don't match this
 */
public final class pluginClass extends JavaPlugin implements Listener { //no match
lime oak
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wouldn't you just surround it in (<regex1>|<regex2>)? or am i oversimplifying regex in my head rn
((?=^(package|import))|[\s\S]+?(?=\s(\w\s)?(class|enum|@?interface|record)))

olive marlin
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You match everything, and then have \s(\w\s)?

austere ivy
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every line that starts with package or import that comes before (class|interface|record)

olive marlin
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Oh, doing multi-line regex search?

austere ivy
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yuup

potent fossil
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hi

austere ivy
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I don't understand why (package|import)?(?=(class|enum|@?interface|record)) isn't just working

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then again I don't understand regex much at all

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hi simpl o/

potent fossil
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you need the multiline flag

austere ivy
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it's on

lime oak
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what are you using to test it

olive marlin
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Jesus, I'd just write a super simple bash script to dumbly parse it line by line.

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Or awk/js/.. Whatever.

potent fossil
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im too intoxicated to think rn will slep

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bai

austere ivy
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simpl is in much better place than I am

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I wish i was intoxicated than trying to deal with multiline regex

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frik this I'm quittin and callin it a night for now, sorry proxi I will try to add this later

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but for now I need sleeeeeeeeep

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it'd be easier to implement an entire java parser into javascript than try to make regex for this eeeeeEE

twin lagoon
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h

austere ivy
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and that's it for tonight, y'all. regex sucks right now, and I am mad at it. good frickin' night

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night michael blobgoodnight

main flicker
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Hello I would like to ask if it is good to run mc server with 20 gb ram 6 cores and on pterodactyl and on vps server ?

ashen cliff
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Depends on the player count.

main flicker
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about 2O players but a about 40 plugins

ashen cliff
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Should be fine.

main flicker
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okay thanks

main flicker
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constantly

ashen cliff
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3 mspt, probably not after players join.

main flicker
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okay

wispy blade
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only with KGBTuinity. @ashen cliff can confirm.

ashen cliff
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Fact!

olive marlin
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I'd just manually go to the correct website and reset the password yourself.

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Don't click links in the email to be safe.

autumn glen
charred spindle
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Anyone know why the move command in worldedit is spawning stone in the gap after moving?

ashen cliff
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Sounds like a //fast or //perf side effect.

glass delta
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if the email ends with @mojang.com then it's real xd

worn ember
charred spindle
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dont know much about the settings or which one did the trick though, perhapse i should turn them one by one

wispy blade
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ask someone who speaks chinese lmao

vague lagoon
hexed imp
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bald steve

worn ember
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Send pond videos

wispy blade
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no.

worn ember
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Wtf why not

wispy blade
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i only have pond pics

worn ember
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😩 😩

wispy blade
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which is the same but shorter

worn ember
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Yes

honest pulsar
quasi valley
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why do you and so many people keep linking the 21w15a datapack

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that's just wrong on so many levels

golden gust
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but, but, but

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CMI IS TOP QUALITY PL0GEN!

honest pulsar
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I'm pretty sure that's true.

rugged sonnet
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are there permissions for individual gamemodes? i just want to block spectator

golden gust
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with essentials, yes

rugged sonnet
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ok ty

honest pulsar
nimble depot
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Probably got hacked in to fix something else and now they need to hack in another fix

honest pulsar
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infinite

ashen cliff
honest pulsar
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If this bug is left unaddressed, we cannot say that the same bug will not occur when 1.18 is released.

ashen cliff
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Simple. Just don't use CMI.

honest pulsar
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yes

ashen cliff
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Spigot already offers and API to check max and min world height.

honest pulsar
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So I'm going to stop using it today.

ashen cliff
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Tho I am still amazed that no one reported below 0 claiming to GP yet. kekwhyper

golden gust
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wait

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people use GP?

quasi valley
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it's not just "not recommended", it's literally wrong

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21w15a to the 1.17 release datapack had loots of changed and fixes (even if unrelated to that CMI issue)

honest pulsar
honest pulsar
golden gust
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Idk, I was just going for the jokes

ashen cliff
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Usually we have Robo in IRC...

honest pulsar
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I'm sorry I'm not familiar with jokes outside of Japan 🥺

sage herald
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Any protection plugin to 1.12?

void void
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wait, hangar is announced

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Does this mean Paper will ditch Spigot?

wispy blade
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uh, no?

ashen cliff
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Not yet.

golden gust
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Please actually read the announcement

wispy blade
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wtf cat you're stealing my line

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:C

golden gust
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Naomi.

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i will shit on your rug.

wispy blade
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ok cya in 5

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5 has passed you're too late

viral hornet
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You can't ask a cat when to shit on a rug

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🙄

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They will do it when you're sleeping or about to leave home or about to have someone over, etc

wispy blade
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yet

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i just did

golden gust
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I'm saving it

wispy blade
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bowel problems? kekw

viral hornet
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o k

wispy blade
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no

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wtf

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i'm not a cat

worn ember
wispy blade
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ok ShroomAssDragon

worn ember
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Shut

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Time to struggle with .NET again

wispy blade
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.NET kekw

sturdy island
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Is a dedicated server better than a VServer for Minecraft? And why?

uncut moss
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VServer?

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vps?

sturdy island
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Yea

uncut moss
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i mean a dedicated server won’t have any neighbors, with similar specs it would always be better for anything but also cost more

golden gust
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it's almost like buying hardware spec'd for a game server is better than a server spec'd for a web server split between several dozen people

wispy blade
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@austere ivy merge my pr >:C

waxen panther
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link

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pr

wispy blade
magic mesa
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I love the message on the end lol

wispy blade
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ikr

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epic pr, as always

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and i didn't even mess anything up B)

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this isn't a marketplace lmao

golden gust
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Read the rules, this is not the place

wispy blade
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dude has death note pfp, 0 care kekw

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anyway i got rooibos honey tea and it is GOOD

olive marlin
fallen oracle
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What is that?

wispy blade
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.g rooibos

limber knotBOT
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(DiscordBot) Rooibos, meaning "red bush"; is a broom-like member of the plant family Fabaceae that grows in South Africa's fynbos. The leaves are used to make a herbal tea that is called by the names: rooibos, bush tea, red tea, or redbush tea. The tea has been popular in Southern Africa for generations, and since the 2000s has gained popularity internationally. The tea has an earthy flavor, similar to yerba mate or tobacco. Rooibos was formerly classified

wispy blade
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@faint crystal ceo of discord streams

faint crystal
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there you go

wispy blade
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gg

torn kelp
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Do you know plugin for display GUI when player join on server first time? And he cant close gui by using esc or e, he has to click on some item in this gui?

novel horizon
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for what

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you can find plugins with gui maybe like captcha, not sure

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idk other reason than that

void void
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Hm

ashen cliff
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🤔

twin lagoon
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it supports yatopia

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right

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ok

worn crest
golden gust
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guy got banned from paper for some comments which where iirc racist

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and then blocked paper from loading

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and then got banned from spigot for the same thing

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so last I knew he quit dev and never even actually released that

restive sable
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Hello.

ashen cliff
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They still look very much alive contributing to Skript.

restive sable
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May I ask peoples view on certain MC Host sights.

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sites*

ashen cliff
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Yes.

quasi valley
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mmm was that the person throwing around racial slurs with Ivan? pepela

restive sable
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We're currently being hosted in ServerPro, I've been hearing that it's a scam and stuff.

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Is this by any chance true?

golden gust
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There are much better solutions out there

ashen cliff
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Let's just say that Server.pro isn't very good for your money.

twin lagoon
golden gust
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Wouldn't exactly say that they're a scam, they're just generally not great

restive sable
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I've heard that Humble and Bloom is good.

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What are your thoughts?

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And what could compete to them perfromance wise?

twin lagoon
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bloom is excellent

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would highly suggest sticking to bloom or dedicatedmc

restive sable
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We're using the 40usd one for server pro. And I'm not sure if we're being provided the right device.

twin lagoon
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for the 40usd plan you can get much better stuff

wispy blade
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katamari such a good game

ashen cliff
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Even dedicated at that point. kekwhyper

restive sable
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Dedicated doesn't support asia so I might consider Bloom at this point.

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What rep does ServerPro has and it's frowned upon?

twin lagoon
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they're legitimate, not a scam

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but you can get much better for what you're paying

restive sable
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Yeah, I've been comparing specs. It does sound better for Bloom since theyre using a better processor.

twin lagoon
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that's where you'll get the most performance out of yes

restive sable
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And bloom is a few dollars cheaper

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So that's pretty nice as well

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Thanks folks, Especially, Michael.

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We'll consider moving our server to bloom.

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Depending on what our developer thinks about it.

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Hm. I checked Bloom, seems to not havge Asia.

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We'll probably go for humble thensince it has Asia support

twin lagoon
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there's only a few with asia locations

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extravm is also a good option for asia

vivid temple
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Hello, quick question, is player mob rendering have to do with view distance? For example, AFKing 128 blocks away from a mob farm even though the view distance is at 6 in server properties, or should it be bumped up to 8 in that case?

lament patio
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If you're 128 away horizontally, yes

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Vertically, it's fine

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Nothing ticks, spawns or w/e outside your view distance

restive sable
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I'll check Extravm as well

vivid temple
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Made a Creeper farm and all looks good but I can't seem to figure out why they're not spawning pretty much at all even though my spawns are as normal, thanks for the help tough!

ashen cliff
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Well. Looks like I was running at least 3 plugins that hate Paper. kekwhyper

limber knotBOT
ashen cliff
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Very epic.

tribal tundra
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Howdy folks

limber knotBOT
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can't wait for microsoft stealing half of my minecraft accounts -.-

buoyant timber
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tribal tundra
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Opinion of MC-Market doesn't seem too great here feelsblobman

ashen cliff
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Expected.

waxen panther
tribal tundra
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Not a fan?

ashen cliff
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Very much not.

waxen panther
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not particularly

tribal tundra
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Why's that?

ashen cliff
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No quality control.

waxen panther
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half is people selling shitty premade servers and the other half is people selling SuperOptimizedDeluxeSSSpigot which is just tuinity with a default config pepela

tribal tundra
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Eh. MCM manually reviews every resource whereas platforms like Spigot only review the paid ones

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I agree that people selling those sorts of forks is a bit silly

limber knotBOT
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mcm doesn't review for quality though

tribal tundra
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If they were tuinity with a default config they'd not be approved though. They've gotta be at least a slight difference

ashen cliff
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So just like Spigot you ignore licenses? kekwhyper

limber knotBOT
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they review for "following their rules"

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while as spigot premium resources need to follow certain standards (whether or not you agree with them being high enough is another point)

tribal tundra
limber knotBOT
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also you can just sell whatever shit you want on MCM without them caring about licensing

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the amount of spigot/paper-forks which clearly violate the GPL that are sold there is pretty Pepega

tribal tundra
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It's something I'll look into

limber knotBOT
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(and I'm not talking about the supposed virality of the GPL in regards to plugins using the API here, I'm talking about them straight up sharing GPL code from the spigot/paper server, potentially even selling Vanilla binaries)

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pretty sure I have seen pre-built, non-patching server jars from mcm floating around

tribal tundra
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Is the opinion of Spigot's resources not favorable either then? My understanding was that many developers really liked Spigot's systems

waxen panther
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spigot's is... fine

golden gust
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people like that something exists

waxen panther
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it's not bad, wouldn't say i love it either

limber knotBOT
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it has it's issues but it's the best solution there currently is

golden gust
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xenforos resource manager is pretty meh, but, something is better than nothing

limber knotBOT
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mainly the tech is a bit dumb

tribal tundra
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The resource manager definitely needs a bunch of additions made to it to make it beneficial

limber knotBOT
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and the rules are a bit lax

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like I would be fully in favour of forcing all plugins to be under a free software license

tribal tundra
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Their rules are a bit too strong in some areas imo. Not allowing obfuscation or products over $20 is unnecessary and only hurts developers

limber knotBOT
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but the backlash would be insane and not really something md and the rest want lol

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no

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lmao

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it doesn't

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obfscation should be fully banned

tribal tundra
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So you're against paid products entirely?

limber knotBOT
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people employing anti consumer practices can go fuck themselves

quasi valley
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taking aside anticheats, it's pretty clear what kind of people obfuscate their plugins and what don't

limber knotBOT
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no?

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why would I be against paid products? I profit from that system existing lol

tribal tundra
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Why is allowing obfuscation a bad thing?

limber knotBOT
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I am against paid products which exmply anti consumer practices like not providing their source code

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*employ

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free software doesn't mean that it's not paid

waxen panther
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obfuscation PepeLa

golden gust
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For one, it fucks over anybody who ever needs to update that plugin if the author ever gets bus factored

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not to mention theres the whole GPL and such

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and spigots pricing limit is bleh, but, it's well stated and spigot doesn't wanna be a place for people to make a living from

limber knotBOT
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the price limit is more about "if you make that kind of money then you should not be profitting off of our free site and use your own shop"

tribal tundra
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Interesting, I don't think I'd really want that if I were spigot but I guess it comes down to different values and goals with the platforms

limber knotBOT
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also I think I vagually remember some legal implications but I'm not sure about that lol

quasi valley
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in general, code obfuscation isn't a ""bad"" thing, but there's a difference between a company selling their AAA game and someone changing 1000 lines in the Minecraft server or some non anticheat plugin

tribal tundra
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I think that as long as the fact that it's obfuscated is clear before you purchase it then you should understand the implications of that and it should be the choice of the creator

waxen panther
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any sold closed source project is cringe and extremely cringe

quasi valley
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making it clear "you alone are at fault if this has a hidden backdoor" should not be the choice of the creator

twin lagoon
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mcmarket facilitating absolute garbage like recycled 1.8 forks or low-effort shit like ssspigot is a good one too

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generally people will think of low quality products with the name mcmarket

limber knotBOT
royal kernel
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The only good forks are the free ones lol

limber knotBOT
quasi valley
tribal tundra
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Do you think that's inevitable Michael?

twin lagoon
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ehhhhhhhh

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think mcmarket could still improve

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it's not the worst platform

tribal tundra
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It's great to talk to you all, I own MC-Market by the way so I'd definitely love to learn more about your thoughts on it

viral hornet
limber knotBOT
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mcm has no interest in real filtering, after all they profit from every single one who sells on them

twin lagoon
waxen panther
ashen cliff
twin lagoon
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that's a classic

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fucking kangarko

tribal tundra
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phoenix profit how?

viral hornet
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Truly a terrible stain on the community

waxen panther
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become self-reliant

tribal tundra
#

And yeah I remember kankarko had some drama around him on Spigot a few months back

golden gust
#

I mean, there was his illegal advertising

olive marlin
#

It also doesn't have any proper licenses anywhere and promotes violating Bukkit GPL, so...

viral hornet
#

He was banned for a good reason prayge

quasi valley
#

just, enforce more "common sense" rules for paid resources, also better rules regarding license and distribtion violations

golden gust
#

His sheer incompetence

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There was something which made some change and he was getting all kinda demandy for somebody to spoon the answer to him rather than reading

twin lagoon
#

i do think with mcmarket's current policies, low quality content is inevitable

#

obfuscation is indeed one of the few things, those policies are a bit more relaxed than spigot's

golden gust
#

I've seen people coming from his course and his material is basically a "copy everything I do around this overengineered mess of a library I created" with very little understanding of actual java

tribal tundra
#

That sort of mindset from kids learning from him is pretty shit for sure

royal kernel
#

2lstudios mc market is pretty cool though, they have the free jar on spigot and you can buy a version on mc market with a predone config

olive marlin
#

If I can't get access to the source to modify it to my server needs, that resource can go f*ck itself.

tribal tundra
#

I'm not familiar, what is 2lstudios?

waxen panther
#

arent those the flamecord guys

royal kernel
#

Ya

waxen panther
#

the guys that were using velocity code without license?

#

pog

limber knotBOT
#

sounds like spigot rule violation 👀

waxen panther
#

seems like a good business 😁

tribal tundra
#

what's a spigot rule violation?

royal kernel
#

Im just saying how they use mc market is cool

limber knotBOT
#

advertising offsite products

tribal tundra
#

Oh really?

golden gust
#

For months he was consistently breaking that rule

tribal tundra
#

free promotion for MCM pogchamp

vernal moth
#

Kekw mcm

tribal tundra
#

hi mini

golden gust
#

He also emailed everyboy from his paypal list, which I might note is illegal practically everywhere anybody cares about these days

vernal moth
#

Oh you own mcm?

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My condolences

royal kernel
#

Has anyone whos done that suffered legal repression, or do they just get like disliked

tribal tundra
#

It's a hard life for sure

twin lagoon
golden gust
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using emails/data improperly? yes

twin lagoon
#

you've also got the people behind aegis on mcmarket

viral hornet
#

He's trying to better his ways & his site, he's already confirmed the removal of kangarko prayga

twin lagoon
#

although pretty sure yooniks is banned

#

oh actually that's a good point

#

mcmarket is a fucking shit show if you look at bans

golden gust
#

Just, people don't stand up to this type of shit, and so people like kang get away skirting the rules for years

twin lagoon
#

you can find any thread that's a year old and find atleast one person banned for scamming

quasi valley
#

yeah hahaha

twin lagoon
#

or some other reason

tribal tundra
#

Just like all marketplaces scamming happens

waxen panther
#

one is generous

quasi valley
#

but mcm is the one where it happens most <-<

tribal tundra
#

We're more transparent about our punishments than other platforms

vernal moth
#

Which is why paper will never have a marketplace

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Aint nobody got time for such shit Shows

royal kernel
#

Paper gets a lawyer team lol

tribal tundra
#

Oh, so a partnership isn't too likely then!

potent warren
tribal tundra
#

plz I'll pay 100k a month

#

of my filthy obfuscated blood money

limber knotBOT
vernal moth
#

If we ever allow ppl to sell stuff on hangar, it's gonna be manually quality controlled

little knoll
#

I'm thinking about updating to 1.17, only, didn't 1.17 also require you to update your java version?

waxen panther
#

You need java 16 minimum now

potent warren
little knoll
#

Ah,

limber knotBOT
#

finally, after 10 tries I have a new microsoft account

little knoll
#

any specified version of java the devs advised?

tribal tundra
#

I hate hCaptcha so much

waxen panther
#

adoptopenjdk is fine

vernal moth
#

Literally the worst

twin lagoon
potent warren
#

what captcha is better then?

tribal tundra
#

it's so difficult

twin lagoon
limber knotBOT
#

@wanton duneAc they have an audio mode too and one where you just click the correct side up picture

tribal tundra
#

What don't you like about recaptcha? Not a fan of google?

golden gust
#

#BestBot

limber knotBOT
#

?

mental meadow
#

don't blame the bot

twin lagoon
#

yeah hcaptcha is ass

mental meadow
#

blame phoenix

twin lagoon
#

nothing beats recaptcha

potent warren
waxen panther
#

what do we wanna bet all the bungee mcm fork "optimisation" are just velocity code yoinked

viral hornet
tribal tundra
#

Cloudflare switched to hCaptcha and so MCM users had to do a bunch of them and I thought i was gonna be crucified

#

No, we don't take a cent of resource purchases

mental meadow
#

(all captchas are ass)

royal kernel
#

Why pay for something on mcm when its free here lol

viral hornet
limber knotBOT
#

MCM requires up front payment afaik?

twin lagoon
#

upfront payment for what

potent warren
tribal tundra
#

We currently do require a $10 Premium rank to post paid resources, but that's planned to change

limber knotBOT
#

best would be to delete the full site and start fresh

#

runs

potent warren
#

lmao

tribal tundra
#

Honestly a better solution than requiring 3 free plugins or whatever Spigot does I think

limber knotBOT
#

(because how else would you be able to enforce actual rules and quality control on existing stuf?)

tribal tundra
#

(not just because that $10 goes into my pocket)

dark ginkgo
#

Kind of funny that theres a self-bot complaining about rule violations lol

little knoll
twin lagoon
#

not a self-bot

potent warren
#

how about making it so the resources are actually GPL compliant

limber knotBOT
#

I mean, Spigot premium resources aren't a market place

mental meadow
#

webhook, not selfbot

dark ginkgo
#

Ah alright

tribal tundra
#

aren't they?

twin lagoon
#

what's mcmarket's policy on custom licensing

limber knotBOT
#

they are a place for community members to make some side money

vernal moth
#

Who do ppl think a self bot would have the bot tag, what the tuck

limber knotBOT
#

and community members are expected to be part of the community

twin lagoon
#

as in, licensing systems built into plugins

mental meadow
#

Cloudflare is also fun lately

limber knotBOT
#

spigot doesn't care about people that are just there for the money

tribal tundra
#

We allow for licensing systems built into plugins as long as it's clearly explained on the page and obvious before purchase

waxen panther
tribal tundra
royal kernel
#

How does spigot make money

tribal tundra
#

donations

heady turret
#

Course you do mate

vernal moth
little knoll
vernal moth
#

Cloudflare prolly hosts millions of sites their founders wouldn't agree with

mental meadow
#

Still, would expect some sort of proper response instead of just hiding the replies

vernal moth
mental meadow
#

but on the other hand what do you respond to that

tribal tundra
#

oh

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didn't know that

vernal moth
waxen panther
#

if hangar wasnt coming i'd pay to make my name lowercase pepePls

tribal tundra
#

is hangar gonna be just free plugins then?

limber knotBOT
#

spigot also has ads for non-logged in users

mental meadow
#

"hey we know one of our customers is a forum the often pushes people into suicide so please stop annoying us about it"

potent warren
limber knotBOT
#

ikr

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or, you know, just log in

#

lmao

limber knotBOT
#

I doubt it actually "makes money", more like "barily covers the costs"

waxen panther
#

Siren do not decompile something you have just bought we must hide our shitty code Siren

potent warren
#

Love it when paid Minecraft Spigot (and forks) plugins have their own TOS like that

vernal moth
#

Spigot doesn't have much costs I don't think so

golden gust
#

'respect our licence but fuck yours'

twin lagoon
potent warren
limber knotBOT
potent warren
#

GPL rules

limber knotBOT
viral hornet
#

& tbh, micko, it's one of the few reasons I (and presumably others) don't use MCM.
You have these whack ass rules, and these wombats that actually thing they have their own special license

potent warren
quasi valley
#

agpl smolStress

tribal tundra
#

It's not something I've ever thought much about (I'm not a developer) but I'll discuss with my team moving forward

limber knotBOT
#

MIT doesn't benefit free software

#

but that's a hot take in this community 👀

waxen panther
#

here we go

potent warren
twin lagoon
#

surprise, no one cares

potent warren
#

did I just start some drama?!

twin lagoon
#

let's not have this discussion for the 30th time again

tribal tundra
#

My goal with MC-Market is to be the best platform for authors to sell their products possible, and a big part of that is obviously to ensure that authors are treated fairly

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(including those that dont use our platform)

viral hornet
#

It's good you're wanting feedback, MCM just needs to have that shit stained feel removed.

potent warren
vernal moth
#

Well, I doubt mcm will ever get rid of it's image

limber knotBOT
#

the main goal should be to treat customers fairly

vernal moth
#

And the toxicity

limber knotBOT
#

so enforce GPL

#

runs

potent warren
#

GPL moment

#

how can you even enforce GPL

tribal tundra
#

Our toxicity has drastically decreased over the years

viral hornet
#

Well if there's big enough change and enforcement it would be possible to improve its image

#

No more paid spigot forks with weird licenses is step 1

tribal tundra
#

Compared to the shithole it was in 2015 when I joined it's far better now and we continue to improve

limber knotBOT
#

easiest would be to force every product to provide their source code on the platform itself, that way buyers can directly get access to the source if they want

viral hornet
#

sorry, step 1 is remove kangarko, then continue

potent warren
limber knotBOT
#

ideally plugins get built by the shop itself too (think F-Droid) instead of sellers, that way you remove potential binary-code-mismatch

waxen panther
#

that would be pog

mental meadow
limber knotBOT
#

(and massively improve the security as backdooring would be impossible)

potent warren
#

how about we just force everything to be open-source

#

runs

viral hornet
#

Where the hell are you all runs'ing to

olive marlin
tribal tundra
#

What do y'all think about things sold on MCM other than jars and plugins?

vernal moth
#

I mean, mcm still allows selling prebuild servers which obviously are a copyright violation

viral hornet
#

What else is sold? lol

twin lagoon
#

server setups / configs are dumb

potent warren
tribal tundra
#

Of course @olive marlin , definitely about having a balance

#

Why are configs dumb?

twin lagoon
#

i wouldn't be surprised if premium plugins get distributed with such server setups

viral hornet
#

Configs are fine imo

tribal tundra
#

They're not

#

If premium plugins are included in setups, even accidentally, the user is punished severely

viral hornet
#

People can't be assed to configure something themself, it's like the NCP config that lives somewhere.

limber knotBOT
#

it's more about a pre-built server binary without patches/building system

vernal moth
#

Any redistribution of software without permission is a copyright violation

limber knotBOT
#

any dev of spigot/paper could just DMCA takedown that shit lol

potent warren
#

what if there's a benefit (not too big obviously) for people that open-source their resources?

quasi valley
#

yesss, definitely start forbidding people to literally redistribute full server jars lmao

vernal moth
#

So unless the authors of such prebuild setups have written permission to redistribute all the plugins, it's a copyright violation

royal kernel
#

Not that you would but Can you legally sell a prebuild server if the jar is removed

limber knotBOT
#

the benefit should be that they are allowed to sell their stuff

quasi valley
#

I'm surprised you didn't receive angry Mojang letters about that yet

twin lagoon
#

well he did rececive some angry mojang letters

#

just not about the server jars

limber knotBOT
#

mojang doesn't care about that part

quasi valley
#

I know, michael pepela

potent warren
tribal tundra
#

We have had some fun conversations with Microsoft's lawyers

twin lagoon
#

facilitating mc account selling

tribal tundra
#

I do regret how long it took to remove it. Removing it was the best decision we've ever made for the site tbh

viral hornet
#

cringe

potent warren
tribal tundra
#

Pretty sure we don't allow those posts so it should be removed by the mods shortly

viral hornet
#

Idk for weird flexing a badge

mental meadow
#

(cheap)

tribal tundra
#

(((((((cheap)))))))

waxen panther
#

selling minecon cape 1998 ($100000) (cheap)

potent warren
#

quick, someone run some numbers on how many custom enchantments and prison core resources are being sold on mcm rn

waxen panther
#

prison kernel bro

tribal tundra
#

What's wrong with them being sold?

potent warren
limber knotBOT
#

low quality

tribal tundra
#

There's a market of people interested in buying them

mossy vessel
#

Selling broccolai, for cheap

waxen panther
#

no 😠

limber knotBOT
#

why would you buy 10 of them?

mossy vessel
#

yes?

potent warren
viral hornet
#

"low quality" smh

twin lagoon
#

i mean

viral hornet
#

good luck determining the quality of every resource uploaded

twin lagoon
#

that entire section is sketchau

limber knotBOT
#

that's literally what I do, Camm :)

viral hornet
#

You've got a lot of catching up to do then

limber knotBOT
#

I mean I have been at it for a couple years on spigot ;)

potent warren
tribal tundra
#

We're certainly not in a position I'm fully happy with on the site, but we're constantly improving and I think that our reputation is slowly recovering as well

viral hornet
#

Why not just nuke that whole sub forum

tribal tundra
#

At least you guys don't think we're the worst marketplace!

limber knotBOT
#

NickAc: if you give me the code too, sure. the value will only be a Boolean though

viral hornet
#

Why have other products on a minecraft market website

tribal tundra
#

Do we all agree that Songoda is the worst marketplace?

olive marlin
#

I remember finding mcm before I became active in the community, browsing it for a while and deciding I'll never use it again.

quasi valley
#

the thing with songoda is that not only sellers, but also the lead is extremely sketchy

viral hornet
#

granted brianna does weird shit so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

potent warren
limber knotBOT
#

"what's a decompiler?"

quasi valley
#

but you still have a lot of room for improvement at mcm, let's say that much :p

tribal tundra
#

You may not like MCM but at least you know that I'm not endangering children and creating leak sites

#

I certainly agree kneny

warm anchor
#

I mean no matter how you polish a turd, it’s still a turd. The site is full of questionable shit and not getting removed. Selling discord account is flat out against tos

viral hornet
#

You're 100% endangering children

#

look at this clown

tribal tundra
#

by allowing obfuscation?

viral hornet
#

terrifying

tribal tundra
#

oh

potent warren
tribal tundra
#

i've always wondered, did he try to make himself look like a clown in that picturfe?

#

is it some 4D Chess marketing strategy

quasi valley
#

oh my god I never noticed that

#

I thought the clown memes came up randomly

viral hornet
#

Yeah, I don't think so? But it's very weird placement for a splash of colour

warm anchor
#

It’s one of those shitty place that people will always remember as unmoderated garbage

potent warren
#

I just noticed

tribal tundra
#

surely thats clown hair

potent warren
#

remember when drama was started because of an adblock filter? hyperkekw

tribal tundra
#

where?

potent warren
#

Spigot

viral hornet
#

Who deals with scam complaints?

#

I can only imagine how much shit would come from so many of these sub forums

tribal tundra
#

Our team of scam resolvers handle it

viral hornet
#

What a legend team

tribal tundra
#

It's all public if you'd like to see exactly how it's done

#

I'm quite proud of our system

potent warren
#

oh damn, let's not forget about the anti-cheats! Let me buy 100 of them right now

limber knotBOT
#

how much do you pay your staff btw? 👀

viral hornet
#

That's a weird question to ask phoenix

#

wtf

quasi valley
#

phoenix looking for a new place to review resources? kappapride

heady turret
#

Pay me

tribal tundra
#

All staff members are paid, and we pay most per staff-related activity they do on the site

#

Such as mod reports, resource approvals, etc

#

Scam report messages

limber knotBOT
#

where does the money come from? the premium purchases?

warm anchor
#

Pheonix can sell his free spigot plugin on there. The dumbass user there will pay for it.

twin lagoon
#

ads

viral hornet
#

Kangarko ads

tribal tundra
#

Ads and account upgrades are how we make money, yeah

viral hornet
#

I think the account upgrades are fine

tribal tundra
#

We don't have AdSense or anything, all of our ads are completely community-sourced (for better or for worse)

viral hornet
#

not bad paying for a service, just nicer if the service doesn't feel sketchy.

tribal tundra
#

The sketchy feel is certainly something we're working towards fixing

#

We're migrating to XenForo 2 in a few months and it's been an absolutely huge project

warm anchor
#

Step 1 will be remove questionable listing that can still be easily found

limber knotBOT
#

I still don't get why not every commercial website needs to provide company contact information lol

#

but I assume Pty. Ltd. is US?

viral hornet
#

You've said that but you've also seemed iffy about removing some sketch af things. But I hope it does, having an alternative market place is never a bad thing

twin lagoon
#

au

tribal tundra
#

Pty. Ltd. is Australia

limber knotBOT
#

ah

royal kernel
#

Does anyone have rhe issue where the hydrogen mod causes the loading screen keeps reloading

warm anchor
viral hornet
#

are you aussie

tribal tundra
#

I never used to have it on there but when I applied to partner with a company they were being a bitch about it not being listed anywhere

#

Yeah. Me and md_5 are both Australian's named Michael who own minecraft forums but we're not the same person I promise

limber knotBOT
#

oof, I just noticed the uBo wasn't enabled in igocnito mode

viral hornet
#

What state

viral hornet
#

are you in vic too

tribal tundra
#

WA

viral hornet
#

gross

tribal tundra
#

imagine not being in WA

royal kernel
#

Im aussie too lol

twin lagoon
#

camm tacoPlead

limber knotBOT
#

the amount of shitty gif ads...

tribal tundra
#

how's covid over there, loser?

viral hornet
#

first lockdown yet mate

royal kernel
#

Are u from perth?

viral hornet
#

nothings changed for me anyway kekw

tribal tundra
#

we're in a lockdown too

viral hornet
#

sucked in

tribal tundra
#

yeah, perth

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Fuck gladys man

royal kernel
#

Same

viral hornet
#

gladys kekw

limber knotBOT
#

not allowing gif ads would massively improve the professionalism of mcm btw ;)

tribal tundra
#

if seeing some moving images makes you not wanna use a site then the internet probably isnt the place for you

potent warren
#

have you gotten the 2 5G upgrades yet?

limber knotBOT
#

no, it makes me want to block ads

tribal tundra
#

No clue about 5G

limber knotBOT
#

which means that nobody benefits from it

potent warren
viral hornet
tribal tundra
#

Just be glad you haven't seen our rainbow name colour yet

potent warren
limber knotBOT
#

if you want to do it right just do it the google/facebook way: sponsored listings that look like the rest

tribal tundra
limber knotBOT
#

runs

tribal tundra
#

That's what stickies are basically

viral hornet
#

looks great

tribal tundra
#

A user had it a couple months back because he donated $2700 USD to our charity fundraiser to get it for 9 months

viral hornet
#

Nice what was the charity?

tribal tundra
#

We've done one a year since I took over

royal kernel
#

Australia is doing so well compared to over here

tribal tundra
#

Most recent one we did was for Beyond Blue, an Australian mental health charity

warm anchor
viral hornet
#

ah that's great

#

well done

tribal tundra
#

It's definitely what I'm most proud of about our site

#

We're not all evil villains wearing eyepatches I promise

viral hornet
#

Okay but stop tarnishing your site with weird shit like kangarko ads

golden gust
limber knotBOT
#

I believe that once you stop violating my copyright :)

viral hornet
#

omg phoenix

#

we get it

#

runs etc

waxen panther
#

runs etc

twin lagoon
limber knotBOT
#

nothing to run about that

potent warren
#

GPL moment

tribal tundra
#

If you create a ticket our team will definitely look into it phoenix

limber knotBOT
#

how would I do that without purchasing every single server and checking it?

tribal tundra
#

You don't need to do that. You can request that we don't let your products into setups that are sold on the site and we'll not allow people to. We do that for a number of products that are free

quasi valley
#

well glhf because he probably means his Spigot patches with "contributions" pepela

limber knotBOT
twin lagoon
#

there we go

tribal tundra
#

with one ticket phoenix singlehandedly destroys MC-Market

quasi valley
#

but yeah, that's arguably the worst part, the pre-compiled, closed sourced server forks being sold

tribal tundra
#

It's definitely something I'll look into and discuss with the team @quasi valley

quasi valley
#

great

warm anchor
#

Nice. Let’s change topic to something better

potent warren
#

just force everyone to be open-source

viral hornet
#

That's actually wholesome af

limber knotBOT
#

no, force them to be free software

tribal tundra
#

right?

#

also btw Camm just doxed me can he be banned???

viral hornet
#

no

tribal tundra
#

kappa

viral hornet
quasi valley
#

on it kappapride

viral hornet
#

kenny wtf

#

you're not sleeping on my lounge anymore

tribal tundra
#

In our previous fundraiser they sent me a super cute hand-written card

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Let me see if I can find it

viral hornet
#

do LIVIN' next time pls

#

xx

tribal tundra
#

what's LIVIN'

viral hornet
#

Ahh might just be an east coast charity

tribal tundra
#

I think we're gonna do a US one next

viral hornet
#

corrupt

void void
#

Damn mc market owner????

tribal tundra
#

omg

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want an autograph????

potent warren
#

OmG PlS GiB GiFt cArd

viral hornet
#

$5 on mcm for an autograph

royal kernel
#

ya just type mick in chat lol

waxen panther
#

runs etc

viral hornet
#

runs etc

tribal tundra
#

type in chat?

royal kernel
#

i was kidding saying you type in chat your auto

tribal tundra
#

oh

#

oh whoops that was a MCM attachment

#

can't see that without an account

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#

@waxen panther FeelsCuddleMan

void void
#

buying

buying a 100$ paper fork with nothing but legacy support and microoptimizations

royal kernel
#

did brocc get demoted again lol

potent warren
viral hornet
#

Very nice

#

pretty common that websites don't do that lol

twin lagoon
#

no idea what the fuck that letter says

tribal tundra
viral hornet
#

most forums actually

twin lagoon
#

hand writing at it's finest

tribal tundra
#

The card says:

Dear Mr McLevie,
I wanted to take a moment and thank you for the amazing gift you gave our mission at AbleGamers. We are going to be able to get ten people w/ disabilities into games because of this!! You are forever part of our family! My email is [redacted]
Mark Barlet
Founder​

quasi valley
#

get some glasses then, michael

potent warren
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twin lagoon
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look you can't tell me to get some glasses when there's shit like this

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didslsamdmksmdl

quasi valley
twin lagoon
viral hornet
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omg michael hahaha

royal kernel
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I can read it fine

viral hornet
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I could read it fine except that word

potent warren
tribal tundra
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it was a joke

viral hornet
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I thought they were trying to mention a type of disability, not actually write the word haha

warm anchor
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aMAZiny @twin lagoon

twin lagoon
tribal tundra
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my translation may be wrong @viral hornet

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work out what the heck he was saying 😗

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i think you just need to learn cursive, Michael

twin lagoon
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mick what do you think of vb long necks in the morning

viral hornet
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VB LONGGGG NECKS

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AT 20 TO 8 IN THE ____ MORNNNIN

tribal tundra
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I've only ever had one vb before and it was because my friend's dad pressured me into it

quasi valley
tribal tundra
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imagine drinking anything other than Carlton Dry OMEGALUL

quasi valley
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that's our secret language now

twin lagoon
viral hornet
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hahaha

twin lagoon
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that's camm

viral hornet
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get fucked

tribal tundra
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posted by official muzzbuzz youtube accounjt

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is muzzbuzz still around or did they go bankrupt

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there used to be a bunch in perth and they disappeared

viral hornet
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i think they're still around but isn't that just a wa thing

tribal tundra
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and were replaces with fucking 7/11 apparently

viral hornet
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i've never seen them in qld

twin lagoon
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Muzz Buzz outlets can be found at over 35 locations within the Perth metropolitan area.

tribal tundra
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I swear to god every time I drive down any street there's a 50% chance there'll be a 7/11 under construction at some point

viral hornet
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I just wanna visit WA for the reefs & Spudsheds

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🥺

tribal tundra
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spudshed next door to my gym

viral hornet
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jealous

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i know they're nothing special

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just a great name

tribal tundra
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im too rich off of kangarko ad money to want to go there so i go to woolies

viral hornet
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ugh

royal kernel
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I go back to perth WA every year but covid throw a wrench in my plans 😫

viral hornet
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@tribal tundra buy my flights to WA

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of kangarko's ad money

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ez

tribal tundra
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you think you can get into WA? thats cute

viral hornet
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soon™️

quasi valley
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soon in like 2023

viral hornet
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It's okay kenny

quasi valley
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no it's not smolHands

viral hornet
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You'll be here soon™️ too

quasi valley
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hahaha

royal kernel
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well you cant open the border to Melbourne yet lol

potent warren
viral hornet
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Probably not

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the code practices are bad

twin lagoon
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ok i have a question

viral hornet
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and they aren't learning Java, just learning how to hack plugins together

tribal tundra
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I'm not omniscient I have no way of knowing that

potent warren
twin lagoon
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can you like change the java jar compression level

potent warren
tribal tundra
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whether or not you like his teaching methods he's getting kids into programming

potent warren
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at least we can be glad that those people can make their own "prison kernel" plugins

potent warren
viral hornet
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I think it's just his ugly mug everywhere, dumb "licensing" rules, & the fact he's doing other shady shit

quasi valley
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he's also luring people into paying large sums of money for a small waste of time, in terms of actually learning how to become "self-reliant"

viral hornet
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& ugly mug everywhere

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alright im past delirious

warm anchor
viral hornet
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goodnight micko, good luck cleaning up your wasteland

tribal tundra
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Goodnight sir, that's my job!

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I might head off too. Nice chatting to everyone I really appreciate your opinions and insights

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Trust me: give it a few weeks and you'll be more excited for MCM than for that shitty ore platform 😉

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(please dont ban me, I jest)

twin lagoon
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we'll see

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atleast you're making the move to xf2

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spigot could learn

tribal tundra
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fuck the move

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it's such a pain in the ass

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it's costing me 18 arms and 23 legs

twin lagoon
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not bad

limber knotBOT
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spigot is never going to move to 2 lmao

quasi valley
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that's a lot of limbs

tribal tundra
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ive put my kids into public school to be able to afford it

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sorry kids mcm comes first

potent warren
tribal tundra
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that's not good enough, I want to be a monopoly with absolute market control to fulfil my dreams of becoming a dictator

quasi valley
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looks like you should go to sleep soon as well, mick kappapride

potent warren
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@quasi valley heeey

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wanna take over paper together x

quasi valley
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I'll get the pitchforks ready

warm anchor
quasi valley
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w h o ?

ashen cliff
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Good bro.

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Welcome to Paper 3.0.

quasi valley
royal kernel
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Kgbpaper

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although alot of my plugins go missing out of noware on kgb paper

untold copper
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day #23 of trying to get abs (yesterday): No exercise as there was painting being done on walls
day #24 of trying to get abs: Did a 30 min cardio HIIT with the following: sprawls (40 seconds on, 20 seconds off), Side plank (20s each side, 20s off at end), Dumbell (7.5kg) Squat (40s on, 20s off), mountain climbers (40s on, 20s off) and jumping jacks (40s on, 20s off). This is 1 round, I did 5 of them.

worn ember
twin lagoon
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alright guys here's my log

frank otter
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ooh what colour was the paint

twin lagoon
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day #1 of trying to get abs: just opened a bag of chips

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ate it all

viral hornet
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runs etc

royal kernel
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I curled some potato chips into my mouth

potent warren
twin lagoon
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bout to go downstairs and grab a cold cherry coke from the fridge

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that's day #1 for me so far, thanks for listening

worn ember
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Day 1250 of paper general:

quasi valley
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day #1 going to take a shower now 10 min

mighty island
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Anyone know if chestshop is working in 1.17?

cunning raft
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im sure it is

mighty island
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(iCononmyChestShop)

mighty island
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Okay jw cuz I’m about to install vault, jobs, mcmmo and chestshop and wanted to make sure they were all good for 1.17

ashen cliff
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Spicy air as always. kekwhyper

willow delta
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when the air is sus

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nice I fucked up the diff on that log, i'll fix that

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for some odd reasons there's villager data trades that contained air and a block entity tag, which is why that's happening

waxen panther
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🙄

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average leaf patch

ashen cliff
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Epic. So no world corruption to be expected.

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                if (entityId == null && "minecraft:air".equals(itemId)) {
                    LOGGER.warn("Unable to resolve BlockEntity for ItemStack (V704): " + itemId);
                    removeId = false;
                } else {
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you can see I flipped the check...

ashen cliff
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zstd compression when?

cunning raft
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mf supposed to be a dfu god

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can't do simple boolean logic

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can do ur mom tho

quasi valley
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can you tho

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ye