So when you do guys drop 1.16.5 support?
#general
magic river
golden gust
probs .1
warm anchor
tonight!
quasi valley
joke's on you because Via will at some point update the required Java version as well 
warm anchor
Lies kneny we all know you LOVE 1.8
quasi valley
if when primitive generics and/or objects happen
if I'm even still alive at that point
golden gust
ONE DAY
magic river
I'm guessing Java 18 would be the earliest for that
warm anchor
DO IT NOW KNENY THE PAIN RELEASE STARTS TODAY
magic river
Do you really want to require a non-LTS version?
golden gust
for waterfall I think I eventually wanna LTS-1
magic river
So you'd still support Java 11?
wide chasm
Primitive generics happening lol
golden gust
yea
quasi valley
you're disgosteng, cat
quasi valley
Do you really want to require a non-LTS version?
probaby not, but we'll see 
brave radish
I think supporting latest, latest LTS, and the last LTS before that for half of its remaining support period is good enough
so like, Java 8 wouldn't get dropped as soon as 11 comes out, but also wouldn't be supported for as long as Oracle does
magic river
Stolen emotes 
quasi valley
let's see how much that number will shrink in the next few years https://i.imgur.com/mv3ud42.png
quasi valley
at least the 1.8 server count is decreasing more and more, so they can't even hold "but we're so many 1.8 servers, you have to support us" against you
warm anchor
fuck them. The olny purpose is for those no skill pvper 
magic river
Those 1.8 servers exist because you let them bully you in to supporting them
waxen panther
TRUE
waxen panther
#cancelkenny, #cancelmbax
warm anchor
waxen panther
magic river
If the only way to run a 1.8 server was to pay for all your plugins and/or support there would be fewer 1.8 servers
quasi valley
ssshhhhhh
magic river
People would figure out how to do what they want with modern Minecraft
warm anchor
TRUE it's ALL keney's fault. Imagine if via doesnt work for 1.8!
wide chasm
Kenny has always been at fault, nothing new here
quasi valley
I'll have you know, this is what it looks like starting Via on 1.8 
https://i.imgur.com/WWNEjnC.png
warm anchor
You know the 1.8 server owner clearly dont have the ability to read
mossy vessel
Must I update
fallen oracle
Kenny drop support for Java 8 next update you won't.
warm anchor
never! because Keney is 1.8 supporter
quasi valley
well if when we get primitive generics and/or objects, they will have had enough time to read, and will feel the warning
magic river
Were they already on protocol version 47 by 1.8?
worn crest
You know the 1.8 server owner clearly dont have the ability to read
๐ฌ
i have at least java 11 for 1.8
warm anchor
well ~~if~~ when we get primitive generics and/or objects, they will have had en...
draw full page ASCII art with big text WARNING
on their console
quasi valley
I think we'll actually do that if the jeps show a clear release Java version lmao
warm anchor
if anything paper java11 warning tell us, it is that people will read if it is on their face
quasi valley
this is the closest thing to that we have https://i.imgur.com/PEF00Mv.png
warm anchor
this is the closest thing to that we have https://i.imgur.com/PEF00Mv.png
lol โ ๏ธ sign so scoffed
ashen cliff
Personally I prefer this:
6666666
66666 THE 66666
6666 SERVER WILL NOW 666
666 6 SHUT DOWN! 6 666
666 66 666 66
66 66666 66666 666
66 6 66 66 66 666
66 66 6666 66 666
666 UPDATE 66 666 66 66 THE 66
66 6666SERVER!6666 666
66 6666 6666 666
66 666 DEATH TO 1.8.X! 666 666
66 666 66 66 666 666
666 666666666666666666666666666666666 66
66 6 66 666
66 Unsupported 66 66 Server 666
66 Version 6 | 6 Impl 666
666 666 666
6666 6 666
66666 6 66666
6666666
Big spam.
quasi valley
ahahaha I just wanted to search for that, thanks Krusic 
formal turret
lmao
limpid comet
that's legendary
warm anchor
DO IT KNENY
mystic siren
anyone know how to download older version from spigot
(i am trying to get this plugin but the latest is for 1.17 and i need it for 1.16)
https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/dtltraders.35890/
(i need 1.16.5 because i have one plugins that hasn't updated)
mystic siren
it should work for older version. No reason why not <@!596098777941540883>
For 1.8 -1.16.5 use version 6.4.1
For 1.17+ use latest version
warm anchor
go to Version History
mystic siren
oh i was looking in updates
worn crest
1.8 with plugins = 2 seconds start time
1.16/1.17 with plugins = 15 seconds start time 
mystic siren
no wonder
golden gust
I mean, the software is more complex these days
warm anchor
1.8 with plugins = 2 seconds start time
1.16/1.17 with plugins = 15 seconds star...
yeah my headless DOS starts instantly too in 1990
formal turret
1.8 many years old
limpid comet
the newer product with more features takes longer to start
golden gust
No real surprise there
limpid comet
๐คฏ
warm anchor
worn crest
I mean, the software is more complex these days
yes, for citybuild, skyblock good ๐
golden gust
decently
limpid comet
other than slimefun sure
golden gust
slimefun
warm anchor
that's like every other non-citizen non-earthMC map
golden gust
er
warm anchor
LOL
mystic siren
imagine a MMO + slimefun
quasi valley
well uhm, still wrong tho, I get 5 with a couple of bigger plugins https://i.imgur.com/1QBCN1g.png
warm anchor
let me go start it
quasi valley
you just have to be smarter at configuring your server
mystic siren
you just have to be smarter at configuring your server
that is what mythic mobs is for
me to suffer with config yml files
because all the others can be configed via commands and gui
except mythicmobs
limpid comet
how can you stand configuring a plugin through a minecraft chest
ashen cliff
I forgot how slow WE is... Dammit. 
mystic siren
how can you stand configuring a plugin through a minecraft chest
look at songoda plugins
worn crest
you just have to be smarter at configuring your server
its optimized, could be the hardware, its an i7 4440k but yeah
limpid comet
god no
worn crest
look at songoda plugins
mystic siren
you can make string editing via anvils/chat
limpid comet
yea i hate that
warm anchor
yeah those are disgusting
mystic siren
same with numbers
limpid comet
so inconvenient
mystic siren
booleans are just a lever
warm anchor
LOL
sturdy sphinx
Anyone got any idea about this error xD
http://image.yo-ned.wtf/joIy
limpid comet
i think chat might be disabled in client options
sturdy sphinx
Like there is nothing in chat settings to disable chat
limpid comet
yes there is
sturdy sphinx
Litterly where tho
golden gust
there is
sturdy sphinx
golden gust
chat visability iirc
limpid comet
are these default settings
sturdy sphinx
Litterly default
limpid comet
did you migrate your account to MSA?
sturdy sphinx
No
limpid comet
get fucked then ig
limpid comet
oh, nice
sturdy sphinx
How dafuq do i enable it
limpid comet
might be a launcher thing?
magic river
This is not true
sturdy sphinx
But i can type on some server but not others like dafuq
warm anchor
If you don't see chat in minecraft / or unable to talk:
Go to Options > Chat Settings > Chat: Shown
hot hamlet
Whats the lighest of all lightweight. Antigrief there. Just enough to disabled flags like block placing without perms and mob spawns etc. For admin use only
limpid comet
theirs is shown tho
warm anchor
@sturdy sphinx
limpid comet
Whats the lighest of all lightweight. Antigrief there. Just enough to disabled f...
worldguard
warm anchor
I copy paste my old announcement lol
limpid comet
eternity look at the screenie
sturdy sphinx
confused
magic river
Delete your minecraft profile
warm anchor
Trust me I troubleshoot'd this for my players LOL
limpid comet
ned's is already set to shown tho
warm anchor
huh... ok then I am out of idea
sturdy sphinx
Delete your minecraft profile
Did even reinstall
magic river
I guess they call them installations now
wide chasm
Was your account MSA when you bought it?
warm anchor
COME ON GUYS. We hae to try!
sturdy sphinx
`%APPDATA%\Roaming\.minecraft`
Did
warm anchor
yeah Amaranth's way will work for sure coz it will force his launcher to get shit again.
sturdy sphinx
Somehow fixed it
sturdy sphinx
Did litterly nothing
warm anchor
ok you are cursed. Buy a new PC
sturdy sphinx
but thx lmao
quasi valley
litterly sounds like something cat would say
sturdy sphinx
ok you are cursed. Buy a new PC
was my next solution
warm anchor
LOL
golden gust
that message comes from the server when chat visability is disabled
tested without plugins?
golden gust
oh, if resetting fixed it, errr... ๐คทโโ๏ธ
inb4 mojang fucked up setting upgrades or something
wide chasm
Wouldn't be the first time
warm anchor
When in doubt, blame Mojang 
quasi valley
I'd blame cat anyways
limpid comet
just to be safe
wide chasm
Blame both
heady spear
football ukraine bad ugh sports โฝ โ
worn crest
people which are running chasing the ball pfft
vestal jasper
me kick ball
warm anchor
@cosmic raft I think the new Hangar Guild should be added into #community-guilds ? 
worn crest
why should i need a plugin repo 
wide chasm
So people can download your plugin
worn crest
so a website for plugin devs if they dont want to use spigotmc or like that
left swift
COPEIUM hangar announcement brings us closer to hard fork COPEIUM
heady spear
men chase ball and we scream at computer !!
worn crest
men chase ball and we scream at computer !!
heady spear
they very amazing men deserve millions .
magic river
royal kernel
When in doubt, blame Mojang <:OMEGALUL:783623213241466900>
Blame everyone else... just remember, nothing is ever your fault
formal turret
correct
wispy blade
wtf why blame simple D:
potent fossil
Sorry, I pushed that update and it contains my entire collection of porn messages where people ask for ETAs
wispy blade
do share
warm anchor
Charge your phone. It may die before update completes
potent fossil
Etern pog?
warm anchor
I have this thing where I see a phone screenie I look over to battery life first 
potent fossil
unkempt drift
what is this update?
crisp tartan
good night, I'm trying to start my server with paper but I just get the message that to use version 1.17 I need java16, the problem is: I'm using java 1.16
magic river
What do you get when you run java --version?
still ermine
does anti xray work on paperspigot 1.17 ?
waxen panther
yes
unkempt drift
paperspigot
potent fossil
Whatever happened to Korobi notifying people of the new name when they say that?
crisp tartan
What do you get when you run `java --version`?
I can't use this command because the server panel doesn't make it available, but when I put the server in 1.16 and use a plugin to detect the java version it shows java 16, and also in the java startup I put adopt@1.16.0-1
magic river
That's just java refusing to run the jar, not anything paper is doing, afaik
So yeah, contact your host
crisp tartan
<@!334016950978215936> Contact your host for support.
I came to ask for help here because spigot 1.17 starts normally, so I thought it was some paper-related problem, but thanks for the help.
potent fossil
Mmm...interesting.
magic river
iirc spigot doesn't require java 16
potent fossil
But vanilla does, no?
magic river
Yeah but he recompiles it for 8 I thought
potent fossil
Oh, idk
magic river
Since it doesn't actually use any new features, they just don't want to support old stuff anymore
potent fossil
Right
minor badge
Yeah but he recompiles it for 8 I thought
no, he compiles server for 16
API however is 8
wispy blade
lmao
potent fossil
Well that's just weird. But beyond that, it's weird that Spigot would start up then for that person but not Paper
Unless I'm just an idiot, which isn't out of the ordinary
ashen cliff
You better not be porting not-so-new to Paper.
austere ivy
nope, am turning an unfinished incremental game into um. paper-themed incremental game
if you're interested in playing the (very very buggy) state, the gh pages is hosted on https://tehbrian.xyz/paper-forker/ ;p
limber knotBOT
literally broken
austere ivy
the fork paper and finish fork buttons don't even do anything atm 
potent fossil
(he literally said it was WIP no need to say it's literally broken; that's kind of a no shit moment)
((as much as brian is my enemy y'all need to learn to read))
(((thanks for coming to my ted talk)))
wispy blade
the fork paper and finish fork buttons don't even do anything atm <:pepeHype:589...
friendly reminder you can hold enter on an html button ๐
austere ivy
simpl, o' my great nemesis, thank you 
austere ivy
friendly reminder you can hold enter on an html button ๐
what.
potent fossil
brian at websockets so people can all load the page and contribute in real time
add*
wispy blade
and it will activate n amount of times yea
wispy blade
brain just said it doesn't work smh mini learn to read
potent fossil
friendly reminder you can hold enter on an html button ๐
@austere ivy all you need to do is debounce the function that the button calls
look up how
potent fossil
debouncing just prevents a function from being executed more than a certain amount of times in a given time period
austere ivy
holy hek you weren't kidding, it does go fast
austere ivy
on my gh duh
potent fossil
usually used when your JS is calling an http server or something, but for this case it would also be helpful
austere ivy
code is very very bad, if you can do some bluelyโข refactoring magic it would be much appreciated 
austere ivy
I can't finish the fork
workin' on it, fork finisher update will be out asap <3
wispy blade
i'd help by making some sarcastic remarks when you click an upgrade you can't do xd
austere ivy
well it would be tehbrian if i could get in contact with the guy who owns it 
atm it's itstehbrian
wispy blade
link it to discord smh
austere ivy
<@!121476000046514178> all you need to do is debounce the function that the butt...
i'll look into doing that for now, thanks simpl. (even tho i have a deep disdain for such an enemy like you)
potent fossil
Good
wispy blade
old prune
potent fossil
Rivalry is healthy
austere ivy
although, I do wonder if the early gameplay could look a bit better
wispy blade
๐ฅฑ
austere ivy
I want the late gameplay to be more like managing developers and whatnot, more higher-level stuff.
but maybe the early gameplay could feature actual typing of random words to write "code"?
potent fossil
make each line of code literally add a line of random code shit to the background like hacker typer
austere ivy
oooooh that could be cool too
I was gonna say that it could be like reverse hacker typer where you'd have to manually type out things, but then idk how upgrades would work
wispy blade
would lag the shit out of my laptop 
if the upgrades was like
a console
and then you'd have smth looking like htop
idk
vrom
nimble depot
I have me a huge mistake of sorting be latest commit.
refernces qlutch
I can bash at that thing for hours on end
Why pay for something you can do yourself?
hot hamlet
https://pastebin.com/HcPJ6igv
The 2nd time in a couple of days this happens then fails to callback chunk
The first one was the end and i ended up just disablind the end.
Though how am i going to fix this without disabling the nether xD
willow delta
trying to figure out how to remove stal from the games loot tables, i have no idea what i am doing. im taking this joke way too far
vernal moth
Dark reader for edge
wispy blade
i use chrome tyvm
smoky python
Alright since I guess no one has noticed it yet...
shadow jolt
could someone explain to me the difference between qBTC and mBTC?
vernal moth
We talked about it and its hilariously bad
vernal moth
I gets minimal stuff right in 51% of cases after 10 tries ๐
wispy blade
until you try it
smoky python
Oh god well hope that kinda stays for awhile
wispy blade
it's bound to improve in the future ofc
will probably be smth like intellisense
writing tests D:
i just test until it works xd
smoky python
Well cant wait for a Siri integration "Hey siri update paper to the latest minecraft version and deploy it"
vernal moth
Unit tests are so amazing
vernal moth
Well cant wait for a Siri integration "Hey siri update paper to the latest minec...
Siri can't even set a timer half the time ๐
smoky python
LMFAO
austere ivy
idk, test driven development is kinda neat in some cases
wispy blade
i have never written a test because all programming projects i do are like <1k LoC
golden gust
I mean, that's the "ideal" setup
vernal moth
It's interesting but requires you to know what you want to build
golden gust
Just, writing unit tests gets pedantic
austere ivy
for making libraries, I like "API driven development", where you write out how you want the library user to use your code and code to make that work
vernal moth
When I most of the time just play around till I get smfh that fits
golden gust
it's used by some companies over here
vernal moth
Many teams here do TDD
smoky python
unit testing is amazing
vernal moth
Especially if you work on existing products TDD is nice
Like, Tarif calculator, add a new tarif, first punch in the number into a unit test, then break the Algo and see the tests turn green
olive marlin
I want to rewrite one of my PoC to Java and plan on starting with writing shell, then tests, then actual code.
It's so rewarding seeing more and more tests passing ๐
edgy zealot
hi
brave radish
ello
minor badge
god I hate TDD
uncut moss
i hate ukraine
smoky python
Imagine a minecraft plugin that you deploy to github that goes thru a ci/cd pipeline that does a few unit tests and then deploys to spigot which probably isnt possible but imagine if it was
limber knotBOT
smoky python
Some people are missing out hoowwly moly
limber knotBOT
technically it is ๐
minor badge
I'd rather write tests for stuff after the code which both prove it works as expected, and that it won't work as expected if I intentionally break it by introducing bugs in mocks and whatnot
limpid comet
for making libraries, I like "API driven development", where you write out how y...
Kinda what I did with interfaces
wispy blade
Transport Dycoon Deluxe /s
limber knotBOT
bypassing cloudflare is not magic
limpid comet
Wrote the prototype stuff in a plugin so I could have the lib and code beside eachother
Once I figured out how I wanted to have it all work, that's when incendo/interfaces came along
worn ember
@warm anchor pugna pos 4 meme hammer first item is OP. I've been steamrolling every game xD by 20 mins they have no towers left
olive marlin
I'd rather write tests for stuff after the code which both prove it works as exp...
It all depends. I don't plan most things enough to be able to do TDD properly. But as soon as I have general structure of things (and write shells which throw NotImplemented everywhere), then I can write some tests for the future. Helps find some edge cases I wouldn't think of sometimes.
But usually it's implement first, write tests later.
brisk wolf
I there any way to run and forge and plugin server on 1.16?
limber knotBOT
no
worn ember
sponge
brave radish
^
limber knotBOT
using forge and bukkit api has never been supported
brave radish
but not Bukkit plugins
brisk wolf
doesn't sponge only go up to 1.12?
olive marlin
They released 1.17 before Spigot did iirc.
brisk wolf
Ah
worn ember
yeah, but that was just to prove they could, im pretty sure it didnt actually have 1.17 features
brave radish
On GitHub
worn ember
they're dev builds
brave radish
they don't have anything >1.12 on their website
worn ember
once they get their tooling finished i'm outta here
austere ivy
Once I figured out how I wanted to have it all work, that's when incendo/interfa...
incendo/interfaces
austere ivy
i need to get involved in this
pr wen
limpid comet
tonight
austere ivy
actually am making big changes so maybe not this instant lol
limpid comet
yes
wispy blade
i'll PR dark mode!
wispy blade
known issue sulu
austere ivy
i don't know how to javascript and/or typescript but i'm trying
wispy blade
js ezz
limpid comet
I know kinda how to js
worn ember
only good thing about js is that theres docs about everything lul
limpid comet
I'm great at using it as just another language to get something done but I hate web APIs
True
austere ivy
this is current finish button code, might clue you into why it's not working idk
limpid comet
I've always wanted to make a stupid little browser game I just don't have any ideas
worn ember
I've always wanted to make a stupid little browser game I just don't have any id...
i made a mp snake game using socket.io
wispy blade
meager tusk
Ok Naomi
wispy blade
Ok Idriz
meager tusk
Cool
wispy blade
gn bro.
worn ember
Ok
limpid comet
Good job ded is it fun
uncut moss
it's snake
worn ember
i have it running on a webserver somewhere
austere ivy
if you remake agar.io but don't bloat it up so that my computer can't even run it i'd love you forever
worn ember
austere ivy
or even just snake game with y'all would be fun
wispy blade
scary maze game
worn ember
go sleep nub
wispy blade
ok nub
austere ivy
i just realized that i was accessing a local instance of a class from inside the class definition 
wispy blade
public class smh
meager tusk
if you remake agar.io but don't bloat it up so that my computer can't even run i...
Good idea.
Might just do this, actually.
austere ivy
idriz do this and i'd love you forever 
warm anchor
<@!177150983258767360> pugna pos 4 meme hammer first item is OP. I've been steam...
Good old pushing team
worn ember
unreal pike
anyone know why my internet drops to 0 bars every time i use FTP
warm anchor
Get better internet
unreal pike
my internet is really fast
this is happening after switching host im just wondering if i did something wrong
(bloom)
warm anchor
Last I check bar is used for measurement of pressure not internet
Can you tell us more
twin lagoon
warm anchor
Oh hello michale
unreal pike
idk
shell vine
0 upload 
unreal pike
internet gets destroyed when i upload
nimble depot
ok. dark mode how??
There is a Firefox plugin for that
nimble depot
I use it
Make discord light mode so I can darken it again (or invert colors on monitor)
austere ivy
why
wind geyser
To make it darker?
austere ivy
but why not just use dark mode
nimble depot
I need more contrast to be able to read it
warm anchor
Your upload may be capped because bloomhost has bigger bandwidth to saturate your entire upload pipeline
That will be my best guess
unreal pike
bloom said my ISP throttled me
worn ember
austere ivy
tfw your throttled speeds are higher than my regular 
warm anchor
bloom said my ISP throttled me
So my theory is correct then
warm anchor
53 upload is so little lol
unreal pike
my upload has always been shit
brave radish
50 is not bad
worn ember
53 upload is so little lol
tf
unreal pike
why is upload so small compared to download
floral mesa
because ISPs do that
unreal pike
๐ฆ
worn ember
cuz download is more used that upload
floral mesa
download is more of a priority than upload
worn ember
brave radish
why is upload so small compared to download
ISPs don't want you running Google out of your house
People used to run mail servers on residential networks
worn ember
its to maximize bandwith for downloads (cuz people download a lot more than upload)
warm anchor
Itโs a dumb excuse chicken for newer pipeline
For older yes adsl or cable would need to ensure peak time traffic isnโt goin over their physical cap
floral mesa
ye, homelab
brave radish
dumb excuse chicken
Anyone else read that as a noun phrase instead of a direct address?
warm anchor
Dumb chicken 
worn ember
cancer? I think so
brave radish
"Dumb excuse chicken"
"Dumb excuse, chicken"
worn ember
no ur a dumb excuse
warm anchor
no ur a dumb excuse
Thatโs what yer mama told me
floral mesa
thankfully my network isnt bad where I live, 200/20 Mb up/down
can push 300 down some days
worn ember
my isp is the only one that provides just internet without tv shit
worn ember
not here
floral mesa
ah ok
warm anchor
My isp is literally begging me to still subscribe to tv
worn ember
lmao
olive marlin
I can unsubscribe tv, but then I loose discounts and would end up paying more.
worn ember
we watch tv through sat so we dont need that crap its like 250 a year compared to like 60/month for tv plus internet
olive marlin
Haven't had TV hooked up in like 5 years or more?
warm anchor
They were trying to say you get a data cap unless you subscribe to our tv service
And our township told them to fuck off
worn ember
we only got 2 big providers who basically play in on pocket so they can raise prices pretty high for shit speeds and packages
warm anchor
I can unsubscribe tv, but then I loose discounts and would end up paying more.
I have this hbo plus that I never used
worn ember
damn i'm almost at 7k
warm anchor
damn i'm almost at 7k
worn ember
warm anchor
and non of my friends play dota
Ti is still fun if you go alone
worn ember
traveling alone is no fun tho
warm anchor
I mean yeah if you ainโt sharing hotel cost
austere ivy
worthy geode
"Deaths of named mobs are now logged"
I hope there will be an option to disable that, lol
olive marlin
Still doesn't for me smh
worthy geode
now its gone for me as well? oO
uncut moss
worn ember
F
worthy geode
did they just delete the post oO
uncut moss
i thought that was intentional
olive marlin
No, I believe with 1.17 it was supposed to stay how it was in 1.16.5?
uncut moss
yeah they said they fixed it
warm anchor
Nice now my world will have new generation coz I pregenโd already kinda glad
worn ember
austere ivy
zcat found ur youtube
warm anchor
person didnt mention shit so cant be real 
potent fossil
Not our problem, that would be on Geyser.
heady turret
Alright sound
violet valve
how buggy is the new paper
brave radish
Not very
Most important things left are probably just performance derogation in certain areas that can lead to stalling
violet valve
awesome is it safe for me to upgrade
brave radish
Btw for people not in the Quilt Discord, really useful site: https://quiltmc.org/mc-patchnotes/
soft wing
feral nebula
do axolotyls retain name tags if picked up?
brave mountain
I need and explanation about what is hangar and hoy it works, I just don't get it. Where can I see it in action?
wind geyser
When you gonna make it so java can see bedrock skins
Solution, get them to buy Java edition
brave radish
When you gonna make it so java can see bedrock skins
SkinsRestorer will do that, as does Floodgate 2.0
brave mountain
<https://github.com/HangarMC/Hangar/blob/master/README.md>
I've already read it many times., I don't know these development terms neither.
brave radish
What are you asking, really?
It's a plugin repository based off of Sponge's Ore
Main purpose being that
- Spigot's resource section is trash and
- You can't post Paper-only plugins on Spigot
feral nebula
do axolotyls retain name tags if picked up?
brave radish
you probably could've tested it in the 6 minutes since you last asked
brave radish
could use a SP creative world
Minecraft won't launch on my computer so ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
it randomly decides not to open until I restart
brave mountain
Main purpose being that
1) Spigot's resource section is trash and
2) You can't p...
Ok, so it is under construction right now?
brave radish
yup
vestal jasper
The reason it's getting a lot of attention right now is because of the partnership
brave mountain
I was interested on it since I know paper. But didn't see where it is implement on.
feral nebula
yep it works
tropic flame
partnerships are cool
no open-source projects are really competitors of each other, but rather they all just help each others grow more with their knowledge being... well, open
and this allows more of that to happen, in a greater level
brave mountain
I don't know programing btw, I'm planning to get into it.
tropic flame
:+1: i approve
austere ivy
accepting code donations. I'm adding hackertyper-style code typing to the forker thingy, so just send me random code bits and pieces of your paper plugins and I'll slap it in there <3
heady turret
SkinsRestorer will do that, as does Floodgate 2.0
Sound cheers Geoff
split bramble
we do a little bit of trolling
brave mountain
Any advices to begin in programing?
vestal jasper
I wouldn't suggest youtube tutorials.
There are some text based resources that are much better.
brave mountain
Books?
vestal jasper
And I don't really wanna discourage you but with programming comes a decent amount of reading, on and off of learning
I've seen a lot of people hop into #paper-dev and express refusal to ever read or study docs
brave radish
does GH allow you to mention random people who haven't participated on a repo before?
brave radish
it emails too
rocky walrus
?
waxen panther
cant hire here
waxen panther
the whole server
signal compass
the whole server
kk mb
waxen panther
hey xxxxxxx
potent fossil
hi qtpi
tawdry zealot
guys quitting mc for whoever hates me and needed my ip
ip : ||192.168.1.1||
vestal jasper
waxen panther
probably not worth the mod ping
vestal jasper
I almost pinged on instinct
cunning raft
what
warm anchor
wow that was so funny OMG!
halcyon spear
I will give you my entire fortnite account I donโt use anymore with season # ## ###### #### skins and pickaxes and I stopped playing in season 10 and I hv all the win gliders up to whenโs I stopped. I will #### # ## ####### with a lot of things and 800 v bucks on it for u to donate me robux through this group.
potent fossil
Not sure if that's a meme or a real request, but the answer is no
warm anchor
No that's the popular token snitcher thing going on rn on Discord
usally it will come with a link for people to click
it will take over your account and post the same message to everyone
warm anchor
its probbably an unfunny joke
The script not only send message also delete the DM after as well @potent fossil
potent fossil
potent fossil
warm anchor
the victim name is same as yours LOL
brave radish
oh yeah someone put one of those in paper-help earlier
warm anchor
99% of the time the sender aint even aware they are sending those
potent fossil
People still clicking on random ass links
warm anchor
The worse part is Discord will yeet those account for spamming too
potent fossil
warm anchor
I knew this coz one of my dumbass friend lost his account because Discord disabled it lol
potent fossil
Discord is pretty much hell
supple rivet
lkjfdgikajfd;lkasj;flkjsl;dfja;lskdf;lkajd;flkjasd;lkj;alksjf
royal kernel
yes
austere ivy
funny that's what i was doing just two seconds ago
so small update on thingy thing thing. you can now see the code that you're typing
best part is that you can't just hold down a key, it has to be a different key input each time for it to register
so you really actually gotta mash your keyboard
potent fossil
gg
now make the whole screen terminal black and add a menu at the bottom of it like nano or something ๐
grand pewter
nano
potent fossil
ok that works too
austere ivy
so then they'll never be able to quit
potent fossil
but that kinda makes it hard for ppl to see what is available to do i guess
austere ivy
wow imagine disliking nano
grand pewter
are you telling me you do not have all vim commands memorized
potent fossil
unless they know to do esc+:h
maybe not esc, idk. i dont use the thing enough
yea esc if in insert mode
austere ivy
:h?
potent fossil
which theoretically would show a menu of what they can do on the website
but i think a button would be easier, hence why i said like nano
but it's your program
austere ivy
ok dang now i kinda wanna do this
i already had enough trouble trying to get what is working working though so i'll tuck that away for a later possibility
once i actually learn how to code in typescript :')
austere ivy
are you telling me you do not have all vim commands memorized
imagine needing to memorize commands haha nerd. this comment was made by the "nano literally gives you the commands right there at the bottom of the screen" gang
potent fossil
austere ivy
thnk you simpl <3 ok now back off to trying to make it work with lines of code
I dunno if I should like.. actually keep track of the lines of code
or just make the currency "characters of code" shrug
potent fossil
keys typed is pretty typical for these clicker/typer games
austere ivy
I suppose
you gotta admit tho, lines of code is just classic developer slang
i gotta find a way to make this work
potent fossil
hackertyper prints a portion of a line for every character typed, with the max number of chars needed to complete a LoC varying with how long the line is
so, maybe do that and then every time the line finishes increment the LoC
austere ivy
already 1 step ahead
ok this is actually pretty fun ngl
agonizingly slow for like 30 seconds, and then once you start going fast you go fast
really makes you feel the weight of the upgrades. plus it's fun lol
vestal jasper
Imports
potent fossil
lmao nice but ngl, feature request, filter out the package and import lines
lime oak
incorporate intellij autocomplete
lime oak
turn this into an intellij plugin 
warm anchor
ok this is actually pretty fun ngl
The screen should start doing the matrix style glitch if the speed hits a certain point
vestal jasper
Typeracer code edition
rugged sonnet
on mac, is there a way to build multiple versions of craftbukkit at once with buildtools?
vestal jasper
CB 
rugged sonnet
yeh
vestal jasper
You can probably just chain shell commands
potent fossil
I mean, yeah, that'll do it in one go...but, like, 
if by at once you mean all at the same time, no
potent fossil
then yea that'll go sequentially
assuming one of them in the line doesn't fail, because && has the condition that the previous command exits successfully
rugged sonnet
gotchu ty
tough tiger
when the imposter is sus
cunning raft
when the imposter is sus
@waxen panther
austere ivy
import and package statements have been annihilated
it's honestly super neat that there's no "write code" button anymore
rugged sonnet
is there a faster way to add craftbukkit dependencies to my local maven repo than building each version
potent fossil
Not safely
rugged sonnet
o
terse marsh
Last year I've asked for custom development on the EngineHub server, not knowing that I'm not allowed to do that. Unfortunately I got banned. Any idea of how to get unbanned, without creating a new bogus account?
potent fossil
I have no idea if they do appeals or not
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@sharp sentinel Could you help out here?
terse marsh
Is there any way to contact an Admin/Mod? I'm asking here because this server is quite big so maybe some EH mods/admins might be here as well?
terse marsh
Ah, ok, thank you.
wind geyser
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it's like 6am for her though
potent fossil
Just saw her online, she's prob waking up and shizz, I'm sure she'll reply in a while
minor badge
thank god all software developers are either up before the birds or after noon with no in-between 
terse marsh
๐
warm anchor
@terse marsh
potent fossil
Noice
warm anchor
I'd imagine that it isnt suppose to be an one-liner
as how you would approach this, it's up to you
"unban me pls ty" probably wont work
terse marsh
Well I supposed ban evading is not cool, hence me asking for support outside ๐
warm anchor
her DM is op afaik
sharp sentinel
Uhh okay Iโll unban
potent fossil
Well his message here was pretty nice but it could be expanded on. I would definitely explain why you didn't know it was against the rules (didn't read em?) I mean, if you didn't, just be honest ๐
warm anchor
ok that was easy
potent fossil
Oh, well, ok
lime oak
ez
potent fossil
Please submit a 300 page 12 chapter novel with prologue and author's foreword
warm anchor
single spaced
terse marsh
Well that was the first (and last) time I didn't read the Rules on a Discord channel. I'm 36yo so you know ... these things are "for kids". ๐
potent fossil
Reading rules are for kids? ๐
terse marsh
Uhh okay Iโll unban
Thank you. ๐
terse marsh
Reading rules are for kids? ๐
Ah, no, Discord.
potent fossil
Eeeh, I disagree as respectfully as possible but anyway glad to see the situation is resolved
terse marsh
I'm spending all this energy for my kids, I personally don't play MC any more.
terse marsh
Eeeh, I disagree as respectfully as possible but anyway glad to see the situatio...
Really?
potent fossil
Shouldn't say all, but a good amount
terse marsh
I thought that this is mainly for teens/gamers.
potent fossil
A lot of the server owners are teens but the programmers and people who hang out regularly even outside of update time or to ask questions are typically adults
terse marsh
Still, I noticed a shift in Discord's marketing strategy, they seem to want to get out of the "gaming" user base.
terse marsh
Yeah, we use(d) Slack as well, at the moment we're using Rocket.
potent fossil
Nice, I haven't used that but sounds cool
warm anchor
Not necessary getting out. They are expending their reach to more mainstream player base
hence all the branding changes from the last year
potent fossil
Discord is definitely game focused, but it's usable outside of the sphere and a lot of people take advantage of that
terse marsh
Not necessary getting out. They are expending their reach to more mainstream pla...
My issue with Discord is: a) it's name, I cannot ask my coworkers to use, ehm, "Discord"; b) non-dev users are not very familiar with dark interfaces. They spend most of their day in "white stuff", and this "dark thing" looks way too "gamy" for them.
potent fossil
Discord has a white theme
I thought it was default but maybe they changed that
However, yeah, the name is not business oriented. The functionality however, can be
But, it doesn't matter. Lots of options
warm anchor
Oh yeah the name especially if you are Christian.
Discord does have light mode but it's way too bright to most people.
terse marsh
Discord has a white theme
Yeah, but the Light theme is highly not optimised. Just look at this screenshot.
warm anchor
potent fossil
Yeah, Discord's white theme is blinding and the contrast is kinda ridiculous
terse marsh
my eyes
potent fossil
But it does have one
warm anchor
terse marsh
The fact that you have an ArchLinux emoji proves the fact that you are as well "old farts" ๐
Oh, no Debian emoji?! Boooo!
Ah there it is! ๐
warm anchor
potent fossil
masterrace
terse marsh
<:CentOS:859666282580148264>
No offence but RIP.
potent fossil
(joking im not that masochistic)
terse marsh
<:gentoo:706925335400153148> masterrace
You can also try Slackware. ๐
warm anchor
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The fact that you have an ArchLinux emoji proves the fact that you are as well "...
tbf a majority of us are pretty young lol
terse marsh
You have no idea how much work I put into migrating from C8 to Debian. I think I have less than 10 machines left and I'm done for this year. Next year C7 -> Debian.
potent fossil
I say "old fart" to mean "not 13-17"
warm anchor
so ideally if someone uses CentOS before what's the best best thing? (asking for a friend) @potent fossil
terse marsh
so ideally if someone uses CentOS before what's the best best thing? (asking for...
Well if it's Corporate and you need RPM, you can go Rocky or Alma. Or $$$ to RedHat.
warm anchor
terse marsh
Most of CentOS shops are currently migrating to Debian OR Switching to Alma. Rocky is a bit behind the curve, but switching from Alma to Rocky is a one-liner so...
If you're not Corp just go Debian and enjoy life.
warm anchor
I see 
terse marsh
If you're going Ubuntu they will 101% upsell you into their "management solutions". So don't. Or do it for your desktops.
warm anchor
it was a semi serious question 
terse marsh
Or go Arch and enjoy getting fired in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...
potent fossil
Why would you be fired?
terse marsh
Because rolling releases into production == suicide.
potent fossil
Arch is my linux distro of choice, unironically
I mean yeah, were we talking about servers tho or desktop (personal) use
terse marsh
For desktops sure, but no sane admin would go Corp on any rolling distro.
potent fossil
Of course not
CentOS/Debian are probably the leaders for anything mission critical
besides RHEL if they're paying for that shit
which is basically CentOS but w/e
terse marsh
Should be rephrased with "/Debian", CentOS is RIP.
potent fossil
But for my personal use, Arch is bae
Oh is it actually dead dead, I really don't keep up with it. All my servers run debian
terse marsh
But for my personal use, Arch is bae
I'm using MacOS on my laptop, Windows on my work PC, Arch on my Dev PC, Debian on my company. So I feel you. ๐
terse marsh
Oh is it actually dead dead, I really don't keep up with it. All my servers run ...
Yeah, they decided to kill C8.
potent fossil
yep, MacOS on my laptop, Windows for my PC and I have WSL for dev stuff within windows, and I have some laptops with arch on em, and my servers run debian
terse marsh
They made it upstream, like an "unstable RH version".
warm anchor
The CentOS 8 life cycle has been cut short with the news of its EOL in December 2021. RHEL revealed it would be shifting focus from CentOS Linux to CentOS Stream.
I tried WSL for Docker. I was disappointed. :\
potent fossil
It has some hiccups but it mostly works for me
To be fair I'm not using it in a full OS capacity, really, it's there just for running compilation tools and whatever
terse marsh
```
The CentOS 8 life cycle has been cut short with the news of its EOL in Decem...
And at that moment I knew that at least half a year of my life will be spent on explaning customers why they need to migrate their newly migrated servers from C7 to C8.
warm anchor
my stuff is on C7 actually so not eol yet
void void
Which is the best paid Minecraft hosting sever?
terse marsh
I still have customers that refused to move, I'll just leave them EOL and tell them that their OS is dead and good luck.
terse marsh
my stuff is on C7 actually so not eol yet <:PepeLa:798951090539987004>
Yup. We still have some old cPanel servers on C7. Waiting 'till cPanel supports Debian and that's that.
warm anchor
looks over to Windows XP
potent fossil
extravm too, hey I remembered this time
terse marsh
Which is the best paid Minecraft hosting sever?
Buy a $10 VM for any reputable provider, like Linode/DigitalOcean, and setup your own. It takes you less than 5 minutes.
terse marsh
Oh, so there are "dedicated minecraft providers" as well? Had no idea. How do they isolate clients? Or...they don't...?
potent fossil
They're "shared hosting", basically they rent dedis on customer behalf and sell resources out of it
They isolate using docker typically
terse marsh
Shared IPs and ports?
void void
Is shockbyte good?
warm anchor
The good one dont separate as in not containerized
warm anchor
but as long as they dont oversellm it will still run better than any vps
coz dedicated solution tend to have newer and more "gaming" focused cpus
potent fossil
basically you dont get root access with a shared host, it's fully managed @terse marsh
void void
I just want a server that doesn't lags lol
potent fossil
they just give you a panel to manage your files
terse marsh
yeah but heck, in this case you are limited to their "prepackaged" binaries.
warm anchor
I mean you get what you paid for... even more so in MC
potent fossil
nah you can upload your own plugins - it's JUST a minecraft server, no actual backend access
terse marsh
basically you dont get root access with a shared host, it's fully managed <@!415...
yeah, but if the IP is shared you cannot sell the default port, so each client will have another non-standard port.
potent fossil
yeah, but if the IP is shared you cannot sell the default port, so each client w...
Yep, that's why we use SRV DNS records
void void
bloomhost or DedicatedMC. These better?
potent fossil
However a lot of them do have dedicated IPs
void void
aternos lags with geyser mc
potent fossil
aternos is free, so, makes sense
terse marsh
If I would do this I would just isolate KVMs, give them access to the host processor and call it a day. One client per IP. IPv6 for low-budget packages.
potent fossil
I mean, that's just selling VPS's
void void
I really have no clue what you guys are saying lmao
terse marsh
I mean, that's just selling VPS's
Exactly. With host-CPU access.
potent fossil
These guys manage the entire MC server for you, and all you need to do is press the 'start server' button and upload your files
It's for non-technical users
terse marsh
Got it.
warm anchor
If I would do this I would just isolate KVMs, give them access to the host proce...
I have the perfect guide for you to get started! https://summerhost.pages.dev/
potent fossil
๐
terse marsh
And if a plugin that the user uploads breaks the binary...?
terse marsh
I have the perfect guide for you to get started! <https://summerhost.pages.dev/>
I LOL-ed at the "Install Nulled WHMCS" part ๐
potent fossil
Eh, well, if they upload a plugin that livepatches the server jar, that's pretty stupid
But yeah support helps
terse marsh
TROLOLO: "You can head over to pterodacly.io and click the Discord button, where you can proceed to spam #support and call the panel trash to get people to help you install it. This is the most crucial step so do it carefully." ๐
Ok I need to read that now ๐ ๐ ๐
potent fossil
Yeah, a "summerhost" is a 14 year old who gets mommys credit card and starts a hosting business for exactly 3 months. Their summer break from school.
Then it dies and all the money and servers go byebye
True story
terse marsh
@sharp sentinel can you please let me know when I can re-join? Thank you, and sorry again for breaking your TOS. ๐
"Everyone knows that Contabo is the number one source of premium virtual private servers (and also the cheapest)." ๐
Oh come on, you could at least put the Contabo link with a referral.
potent fossil
It's already handled sulu
warm anchor
tfw sulu
potent fossil
He's just waiting for me4502 to process it
warm anchor
yes waiting for YOU simple oh wait you edied
wispy blade
edied
warm anchor
that's me at 1:50 AM
potent fossil
But yea, the process was DM her, etern grabbed a screenie but Me ended up replying anyway
warm anchor
I ma sleep. This was fun 
terse marsh
$5 bucks for 4 cores and 8 Gb RAM. How is that even sustainable?
potent fossil
Nightynight etern
terse marsh
I ma sleep. This was fun <:happy:395927628227543041>
NIghty night
potent fossil
$5 bucks for 4 cores and 8 Gb RAM. How is that even sustainable?
Where do you see that?
warm anchor
$5 bucks for 4 cores and 8 Gb RAM. How is that even sustainable?
8 GB ram for Xms=128M Xmx=8G
so really just 128M
potent fossil
warm anchor
majority of those server has active player base of 0-1 according to bstat
terse marsh
Where do you see that?
potent fossil
Oh, because contabo is utter trash
The dedis those vps's are on are probably on their very last leg
terse marsh
I would spend $100 to just buy "โฌ26.99 @ 60 GB RAM" and wait for it to be deployed, then yell at their support that I can't fully use my RAM! ๐
potent fossil
Very likely they will die and the data will be lost and contabo will just say "lol, well, took backups??"
which is fair, but also lol
terse marsh
I need to try those guys, really!
potent fossil
Yeah I mean, the servers work for sure
How long it'll last, who knows, but it works
terse marsh
I rest my case: Our virtualization is based on KVM and Proxmox, which have a longstanding track record as stable and reliable technologies.
left swift
Hi simple
potent fossil
Hello mana
left swift
How are you
potent fossil
Dehydrated you
left swift
Desleeprated
potent fossil
Oh ye I'm that too
left swift
terse marsh
Ooook folks, time to get up and start working. Thanks for your time, I had a very good morning with you. ๐ Cheers
potent fossil
See ya
austere ivy
well
it has just occurred to me that it's, first of all, 2 in the morning
and second of all, more importantly, since the length of each line of code is now non-determinate, I have no idea how to calculate how many LoC your friends are generating per second
austere ivy
ok
here's what i've got so far
um. refresh the page i guess
i should probably add a "reset" button somewhere, considering that it's so heavily in development
if you know how, do Game.reset() in the console ;p
oh gawsh that's 400 lines of spaghetti. i'll despaghetti this tomorrow
austere ivy
no frikin way I don't believe it
wispy blade
not loading anymore for me crying
agile pine
I have my main server memory flags set to -Xms18G -Xmx18G , when i start the server it jumps straight to 21gb usage (ptero container) and will keep rising until next restart
does this mean that the server needs more memory or there is a leak?
austere ivy
you're getting added to the end credits for that achievement lol
austere ivy
not loading anymore for me crying
? is it just stuck on "loading"?
vestal jasper
Achievement. Yeah.
wispy blade
yep
vestal jasper
I achieved that score.
austere ivy
ttooottally legit yes
austere ivy
uh
naomi, do you know how to get to your web browser console?
debugging in prod rn 
austere ivy
yes so can you do that pls and lmk if it says anything funky?
wispy blade
there we go
vestal jasper
Brian even in JS you can't escape uncaught exceptions
austere ivy
i have a very strong love-hate relationship with programming right now
vestal jasper
Lmao
austere ivy
which one?
swift root
now I'm gonna go have a love-love relationship with a comfy bed
lime oak
there we go
i'd like to believe it's google chrome
swift root
i have a very strong love-hate relationship with programming right now
this one
wispy blade
im using chrome awa
lime oak
austere ivy
saveData() function calling getData() to check if the data is null
austere ivy
<:hmmOK:819037394728779806>
no cheating 
lime oak
just making sure it's saving gamedata to local storage, don't mind me 
austere ivy
idk naomi it's working well for me on chrome. i'm gonna bet that it's the cache, though
south matrix
lime oak
ofc ofc
austere ivy
naomi, could you clear your cache actually?
just follow these steps. don't clear anything but cached images and files (else you could lose stuff)
lime oak
just do Ctrl+F5
wispy blade
gotta keep the IT admins from seeing my browser history
austere ivy
sorry i didn't think you were :(
just wasn't sure if you were the ceo of knowing how to clear cache on chrome as well
austere ivy
heh ok thanks. it's always the darne cache
austere ivy
alright, I've just about exhausted my abilities to work on this for any longer
tomorrow me can clean up the spagheti, for now I must go to bed
vernal moth
What did ya work on
austere ivy
a little silly web game
vernal moth
Oh does it support finishing forks now?
vernal moth
Literally unplayable
austere ivy
but it does have an all new graphical interface! so that's pretty neat
vestal jasper
Briannnnnnnn
austere ivy
I'm wooooorking on ittt 
the codebase is just so spaghet that it's hard to do anything tbh
vestal jasper
Briannnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
austere ivy
aaaaaAAAAAAA alright give me a second, I'll try to make the finish-y fork-y thing-y work
but only for u
vernal moth
Motivation successful ๐คฃ
merry talon
zoomers ๐ค not knowing what spaghetti code means
austere ivy
are you implying that this code isn't actually spaghiti
merry talon
likely not
wild oar
just switched to paper 1.17 and everything great so far :D
austere ivy
sigh.
warm anchor
@quasi valley ^
austere ivy
poor keny getting pinged just to kick spammer
vernal moth
!kick 779022488444993576 dum spam