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It sickens me, since I spend a lot of time working on Velocity. It really ruins what motivation I do have, and it makes my time feel worthless since they are charging for the work I did for free. This is why I relicensed Velocity under GPLv3.
Hey Tux, nice to properly meet you! It's definitely something I'll look into more and discuss with my team. Once I've had the meeting I'll definitely give an update here about it
The least you can do is comply with licensing terms (Velocity is GPLv3 since March 24, 2021) and chip in something to thank me for the work I've done in the area of Minecraft optimizations in networking.
don't think most of those MCM bungee fork creators even care about licensing
In my time in Minecraft I estimate that I've made less than $12k total during my time.
That's over... 9 years.
pays well
no need to restrict it to "bungee fork creators" only lmao
all of them in general don't
I'm at the point where money is pretty much one of the few motivators available to me
The passion is long dead.
The thing is that I've already learned everything I want to know about Minecraft, and at this point it really doesn't serve much of a purpose in my life.
oh no, god forbid someone be able to afford to live
or at least justify the usage of their time
I have to eat somehow. Pretty hard for me to have done that with my mother receiving a tiny Social Security check that has to cover 4 people.
Right now I have a full-time job (thankfully) but that simply means I can't do Minecraft stuff very much. I'm compensated at a level much higher than I'd make doing just Minecraft work.
pure evil
lol facebook posted a job listing for a rendering system architect for VR stuff and the requirements are so crazy John Carmack says he doesn't meet them
are those magnets?
pins
Nah they’re pins
Theres a bunch of stickers too
They’re pretty cool too
There’s a fuck ton of them
Given that pre3 is out and so hopefully full release will be out soon, I'm still waiting.
where can i see the papermc changelogs
.downloads
That's kinda cursed
But free pins are pog so yeah, good stuff
Why cursed wut
Dunno, but cursed. Let me get my classy IBM pin
wat? that was literally on "the passion is long gone" lmfao. idc if he makes money off of it or not
Its just some wumpus with LGBT flags bruh

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thanks DED

thanks LArry
thenks lerry
uwu
How to break github co-pilot: once it gets C++ support start writing a Win32-compatible OS and watch it fill in suggestions from all the Windows source code leaks that pop up on github
Then just wait for Microsoft to sue you for using their tool to violate their license and have them argue their tool violates copyright of the code it read
i understand about 10% of that sentence
github co-pilot most likely violates the licenses of all the code it read
Because it and the code it spit out are derivative works or just outright copies of all that code
Apparently in an earlier iteration when you pointed it at a blank file it'd suggest you put in the GPL header since that was the most common way it saw files start
I didn't put headers on any of my files in projects licensed under the GPL... guess I should go do that lol
It's basically just a tool to let you pretend copy/pasting code from open source projects isn't a license violation
Because it takes extra steps and changes variable names for you
Ah yes, "Open" AI and their somewhat scary closed-source AI experiments
OpenAI isnt open at all
GPT-2 was, everything after that not
Learn the basics of GitHub Copilot - an AI-powered tool for writing code faster. It is built on top of OpenAI’s GPT-3 model and uses training data from public places like StackOverflow to suggest and write code automatically.
#ai #code #firstlook
🔗 Resources
Copilot https://copilot.github.com/
OpenAI https://openai.com/blog/gpt-3-apps/
GPT3...
Is that a paid service?
Ah yes some youtube video, that's my main source for true and verified facts
There would most definitely by some sort of sign off when you agree to use that or something right? Microsoft and sneakily signing rights away from users
OpenAI is trying really hard to keep their image up by being in full control of what the tool is being used for and how it's represented. It can't stay that way forever though so...we'll see
It would be called a terms of service
Especially videos with "The truth about ..." in the title
doesn't really matter tbh, other tools are catching up quick. too many players in the scene for openai to have a monopoly on an AI of this level
they are mainly good at marketing anyways
its still impressive, but not as impressive or far ahead as they make it out to be
funny, I just saw that
what’s weird is that I’ve come across this very same Twitter user some years ago for another technical related post.
she’s an interesting person
also imagine just. having the Twitter handle “eevee”
that’s insane.
they wrote a very famous post bashing PHP
I don’t think that it was related to php. but it might’ve been, I’m not sure. I don’t exactly remember what they posted
I won't be using an AI when writing my code. I'm sorry.
I already use AI when writing my code 😎
its cool to see others come up with uses for it, but yeah same, i wont be integrating it anytime soon
wait, do you use intellij?
I mean more seriously IntelliJ’s refactoring stuff counts as AI.
cuz that already uses intellisense for code completion
Their grammar suggestions are AI, intelisense is technically AI
yeah
Machine learning? no. but if statements are technically AI
Autocomplete is IMO not AI
OpenAI is cool I watched that demo LIVE at TI
AI != machine learning tho
Okay, fine. Let's clarify. I'm not going to be using a neural network to write my code.
shrug, “AI” means different things to different people. what’s the word other than AI and ML that’s for robots that like, are actually AI?
yeah cool to see other teams get rekt by it xD
They host small booth too for you to try and beat OpenAI bot in Dota SF vs SF 1vs1 mid @worn ember
you get free arcana if you maange to beat the AI
oh neural networks. that’s the name lol thanks
I'm willing to accept lower-quality code suggestions and a bit more pain to protect my privacy.
that’s a good point. I’m not concerned about anyone stealing my code quality though lol
idc if they use my data, as long as its not personal stuff
if anything I’d imagine they’d add a special clause just to block me from polluting their data sets
sure, and i'm fine with that, just saying thats how i treat it
I wonder if this is why Microsoft bought GitHub. Access to the world’s largest code data set.
if(plugin.get("mcdev").isPresent) ai.disable;
Is copilot of Microsoft’s creation?
well its from gh no?
well yeah but was it conceived before or after acquisition?
probably after, i dont think gh has the funds for such large projects on their own
hmm yeah I guess
I wonder how much gh is making
Hosting that much stuff ain’t cheap, and not that many people have pro
i mean google's bigquery lets you use github as a dataset
big query?
huh
they bought it to yoink their tools for azure lul
what is azure anyway? git hosting?
never bothered to learn, lemme go Google
ok so apparently the answer is “a lot”
ye
azure is microsoft's aws/gcs
ah okay that answers it.
it lets you host repo's, deploy to azure services build artifacts, pipelines, planning etc
huh, neat
its useful if your services run on MS stuff
for everything else i'd use github personally
azure is a cloud platform
azure devops is github kinda
githubs actions are powered by azure dev ops pipelines
azure devops is what visual studio team services where
a lot has improved in devops the last few years tbh
so they definitely learned a lot from gh
i really gotta stop saying "i'll get it finished by tomorrow"
cuz its never true 
Yeah. You always hit something absolutely stupid like an endpoint returning 404 instead of 405 and spend way too much time debugging it.
yeah stupid issues can set you back a couple hours <.< its always the little ones that get you
lost 4 hours dealing with database stuff this week cuz M$ sql servers are a pile of poop and their services break constantly for me
I spent like an hour last night trying to get regex to work to make code in paper-forker not be weird
here’s a highlight from then
just ping denwav to fix it :p he'd have it down in like 10 mins
he is regex master?
regex is not hard
the trick is to break it down
and develop a huge sense of self loathing
cat after 3 beers
I’ve got step 2 done but how do I do step 1
those regex helper sites are a good help too
idk what I’d do if those regex sites that tell you what every qualifier does didn’t exist
yeah same
yeah literally like. 
probably cry and use a lot of string.replace lmao
I mean, it's hard to explain, but, a regex is just a bunch of rules and features like "logical" features
am not a pro at regex, far from it, but, I just break down what I'm parsing
write a few dozen valid and invalid matches on regex101, and start tryna break it down
cat can I commission you to make a regex for me
it gets annoying when you run into variations where some regex parsers dont act the same
like something on regex101 could work fine, but then when doing it in java theres like a slight variation in how something is handled or something and ends up failing
does anyone else have problems with firefox being slow?
no
thanks
PAIN. it’s PAIN. and the “dotall” flag doesnt even work on all browsers.
who the HECK decided to have regex “flavors”????
garbage. bad.
I mean, everybody has their own impl
each often with missing features from the others
its been pretty consistent for me for the most part, but i havent used that many parses tho
not following the spec shouldn’t be an implementation detail
The main one is perl-compatible, right?
The issue is - there's many specs.
Just check grep for example:
Pattern Syntax
-E, --extended-regexp
Interpret PATTERNS as extended regular expressions (EREs, see
below).
-F, --fixed-strings
Interpret PATTERNS as fixed strings, not regular expressions.
-G, --basic-regexp
Interpret PATTERNS as basic regular expressions (BREs, see
below). This is the default.
-P, --perl-regexp
Interpret PATTERNS as Perl-compatible regular expressions
(PCREs). This option is experimental when combined with the -z
(--null-data) option, and grep -P may warn of unimplemented
features.
ERE, BRE, PCRE
afaik all of them implement the base stuff
But, yea, as prof said, it's basically a whole world of jank
sounds like every programming lang in a nutshell
you'll often find that the normal stuff is there, but, as soon as you start getting to the more interesting features, it gets really fun
tried to parse html using regex ✅
For example, in BRE you need to escape special characters to make them work as special, in PCRE or ERE you usually need to escape them to make them loose their special status.
html is unparseable by regex
i meaannn i didnt have to parse the entire doc, just specific parts
INFINATE STACK BRO
This discussion is disgusting
Regex html parsing lib

but yeah, ended up using a html parser instead lol after i got yelled at by like 10 people
almost as efficient as chrome
if it works it works right
regex not being able to parse html is obviously a design failure. we must invent regex 2, capable of elegantly handling infinite recursion
ah yes
how do you parse html anyway?
someone bring in that comic about the fifteen competing standards please
.docs standards
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? sorry what
this fake paperchan barely works
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DuckDuckGo. Privacy, Simplified.
No idea how that xkcd command works, honestly
I blame the xkcd command
yea just cloudbot, i haven't looked at it though
simpleauthority/cloudbot i believe
should be plugins/xkcd
wait you make cloudbot?
oh. Ooh ok lol
its xkcd script is scuffed though
fork time
yea i just dont have time
Modern regex flavors have a recursion flag 😉
considering the type of tech comics that xkcd makes, I bet they have a swell api
so html is parseable by regex now?
still sounds like hell
ah if thats all then should be fixable
I haven't done it myself, but I think it should be possible
is the bot open source?
yes
its just a cloudbot
Very basic example, but this could match very simple HTML <([a-zA-Z]+)>(?R)?<\/\g1>
ooh pretty!
The takeaway from all this is that Ruby regexes are powerful enough to describe CFGs. And since HTML is a CFG, you should be able to write a Ruby regex which matches HTML. I, however, am not bored enough to actually attempt such a thing. Perhaps you, dear reader, are willing to undertake this task. However, if you do so, I must warn you that some unfortunate side effects may occur, including (but not limited to) fits of rage, loss of sanity, and the summoning of Cthulhu himself.
The recursion flag is kinda neat. For example, this will match palindromes: ([a-zA-Z])((?R)?|[a-zA-Z])\g1.
Ooh, that’s pretty neat too
Wouldn't ever recommend using regex for such tasks, cause regex is already pretty slow itself, but, it's possible
I don't hate myself this much; have fun peeps. My class just ended so I'm going to go cry in the shower
love ya simpl see ya
wait.
hate ya simpl see ya. ❤️
https://www.thoughtco.com/what-is-a-palindrome-1691560
Apr 19, 2017 ... Like its distant cousin the pangram, the palindrome is a type of word play involving the alphabet. A palindrome is a word, phrase, or sentence ...
p
@void void hi we have #gifs-and-memes for this shit thanks :)
Why is there 3gbs just for the world itselfs?
Lol.
Bruh I'm poor I only have 4gbs of ram
We can't do anything about it
I'm aware
🤔 did you mean hard drive space or RAM here?
Paper doesn't make them huge, they're just huge. Even on Vanilla.
Ram
oh
Just download more ram smh
well yeah we can't do much about that either 😄 3 GB isn't that much
However, where are you getting that number from?
Wdym
I mean where did you see that 3 GB was used
It didn't say just said 3gbs being used
Lagassist
mkay
it using all your ram isnt a bad thing
that saying you're using 3.45 GB doesn't mean your server is using all of its RAM
that just means the JVM allocated it
Whats a JVM?
Java Virtual Machine, in this case you can just pretend it's the server
its like putting 4 cookies on a plate and telling people they only can take 1 or 2, doesnt make sense
Ohhhh
dum analogies is billys thing
dare i say it
Billy has been typing in #paper-dev for like an hour now
Yea, it's scaring me
and here we are talking about him
what a smell
maybe he's looking for the enter key
doesn't smell as bad as his rug
presses a few and loses track
oh there we go
BRO!

GOOD BRO!
well I mean it does make sense
Imagine there's two or four people
Yea, but, less dishes, smh
DED your analogy made even less sense then mine it's on you to defend it from here
If you're, say, running a test server on your desktop, yeah then telling it to use all your memory doesn't make sense. But for dedicated servers where the server will be the only thing running, give it everything you have.
GO ON, GIV IT TO 'ER
the amount of people is irrelevant, if you invite 20 people you put them on the plate for those 20 people, if you only invite 4 people its only for those 4.
you cant say to person 3 sorry bro you cant have the cookie cuz i dont want you eating it
that'd just be rude
good job, now my eye is bleeding
Brocc started some CEO club now
And brocc isnt even a ceo anymore
Getting excluded from ur own club u started 
the burden of being a weeb
Tragic
Wtf Ldriz
who's DED???
toxic
WTF mana.
I'm LITERALLY supporting you being in this chat.
And you refer to me as Ldriz.
You want me dead. Is that it?
without ded this chat would be dead
I knew someone like that before
LOL

spotify doesn't make sense
Free britney
Why can you pick songs on pc but not on phone?'?"=R)/()=
Free imagine dragons
if cat left the amount of merges wouldnt change tho 
Imagine dragon deez nuts on ur face

Idriz his kink, secret scalie
Not surprising smh
i'm real good at it too 😉
Bro.
Bro.
FACT!
Just realized somebody leaked KGBPaper @ashen cliff.
NOT GOOD BRO!
Expected.
They didn't update the kernel bro! Left that MSR write enabled. 
Thanks Intel for providing a 2.4V option for normal CPUs.
That could be one reason bro!
But they also forgot to be Balkan.
And you can't do anything about that.
wait I have a question, is it worth it to overclock my cpu to 5.0ghz if it can already go up to 4.7ghz by default
Balkan deez nuts on ur face
Always.
sounds like a waste of power
Well you're a waste of space too but here we ARE DED.
I've tried overclocking it but I just can't see any difference
Might aswell go for 6 ghz
Bro. Overclock more.
@ mods can you tell this little panda to get off my back pl0x
What panda
Ded CEO of snitching
dont think i dont know
Is it safe to update my server to 1.17 paper yet or not?
Probably
update to 1.18 paper
take backups
read the announcements, use your own judgement
or don't use judgement and blame the devs, up to you 
me with sxcu
Ok thaks
stfu
thanks

thaks
tanks
.fart
no
The e-girl Discord is down 3 blocks bro.
shit, am at the wrong place
#bathwater
The top quality content we need
correct
What was our safeword again? 
thank you.
whispers ||There is no safeword||
Fart into the asmr ear mic then go back to licking it again
safeword is your dad's third mistress' middle name
It's george?!!?!
Mikro.
what's up my dude
No. That's her name.
in your dreams
Can't deny it bro.
well that's nice
hasnt that been a thing for agggessssss
yup
Yes.
wow
never seen it before, maybe GitHub just doesn't like me
I also got dark mode like two months after most people ¯_(ツ)_/¯
imagine being liked by github
wheres your color mikro 
don't need one
its ok, you'll always be special to me
🥰
Good thing Dark doesn't have a color. Otherwise people might actually take him seriously.
i'll be core team in no time bro
Already have the best color. 

tbf white is literally every color
Daily reminder bro:
that centering
lmao i was gonna say, why tf are they not aligned
Look. I'm not a Paint professional.

bro, when will i get invited to the KGBTuinity discord?
Never bro.
i thought it was legit for a second until i saw the alignment
but then again, you dont have 9 friends

that's a shame bro
Naomi ceo of loneliness
i can count the amount of friends you have on a single hand
Wtf
on a single hand with all the fingers chopped off?
you don't need any fingers to count ded's friends
ewwwwww
Is that a type of fish
I get that alot 
AVG IQ dropping again.
aligned
Bro!
2 pinks!
bro!
I never use online mode! 
Only DND or dead ass mode.
real authme dev mode 
Running offline mode I see?

just did
I guess Discord really wanted me to restart and see that epic Via sticker.
Yea, is being dumb
Status page for dumcord shows a nice spike in API response times \o/
There we go.
Interesting. Not animated.
Well it's animated. But Discord just isn't animating it. 
I assume that's to combat the animated png exploit.
We use to be able to do that before stickers tho. 
aside from sending links to images manually 
Even before that.
If you had a high resolution emote and send it normally, it would be as big as the stickers currently.

oh lol
Now I need to convert all gifs to apngs and upload them as stickers
there's a via version discord?
yeah
Sadly.
apparently private tho 
oh wait, you know I was thinking of protocol lib. that's the big one that doesnt have a discord
joined specifically to test the sticker
not a community server endorsed by discord :)
We really should apply for that. Oh wait.
via is literally a plague on the community, prove me wrong
@quasi valley how much you pay to get selected. 😔
posting stickers are a good one to show off how much you're being scammed by discord
I really hate discord beta testing method 
I like paying for the ability to display images!
more ways to spread weeb shit

Good thing 99% of things are just reposts.
I bet there’s like half a million amogus meme picture
All images are Amogus. 
that's terrible
Lol it doesn’t load in compact mode?
Working on a filter
Ohhh
no
Well your map need to be on 1.17 too!
You should be able to upgrade from 1.16->1.17, just not downgrade
Currently I'm filtering all nauseases like irc bridges and soon stickers
NMF breaking Discord ToS 👀
ban yourself
^
The data is still there, just not visualized 
Sooo I still have these dumb stickers somewhere cached
have another
https://i.imgur.com/pT99tfP.png another wat? 
when discord added reply and stickers it just turned into whatsapp for me
People using stickers on whatsapp get blocked immediately
@warm anchor I’ll smoltheman you as soon as you send your first weeb sticker 
Stickers have been a horrible feature that have been on platforms for years already
My artist is busy 
@quasi valley uwu
No idea why discord added them
Only a few
Saving resource and add more perk to nitro
Stickers are just larger emojis lmao
yeah but emojis also have server info attached?
and taking up EVEN more space
thanks discord, very cool
see, stickers are a mistake
We all love an already busted chat system being fucked even more
like, this is how much space it takes up on my laptop
doesn’t even need a full day to tell us they are
Good thing you can't see what servers the stickers are from. 
Look at server with few hundred boosting
Not yet
I’d imagine
I know exactly where that one is from.
ok but eternity do you know the name of the touhou 6 extra stage boss
I am not that INTO touhou
k
easiest touhou question bro
My love starts wit Marisa and ends with Marisa
Hi.

based.
I'm not going to ask twice bro!
have fun with Microsoft support bro.
It's worth it to be OG!
What the fuck its some random organization
Does Github let you claim the name if there's nothing in the org since 1915
Yes bro!
Shit guess it's worth a try bro
They let me claim my name from someone who had nothing but one repo from 2009
they don't do that anymore
😐
Yeah, they still do that
Reddit is almost always wrong
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Dude prob got salty his name got yeet’d
Fucking Reddit
Reddit is only good if you already kinda know what you look for
The more popular the sub the lower the quality
Next you're gonna tell me r/politics is bad
Looking for PfSense specs help:
90% of people: YOU DON'T NEED A GOOD CPU!
Their setup: BRAND NEW 9900k FOR A 1Mbps LINE!
Legit.
If you read r/admincraft you get stroke too
I avoid that hell hole.
Indeed.
you honestly get better help/advice in here
Ofcoz
Actually, I avoid all Minecraft subreddits after PowerGamer destroyed me. 
Paper help is best of all community
unless i feel like trolling 
slow down eternity
Fork support has some good people too but paper is most active
You haven't seen KGB support.
little do they know i'm secretly a spigot dev 
True
We just added 1.8 plugin support to 1.19. Just to make sure no one is left out.
Did you see Yatopia Sugarcane help?
yes, suck him dry of all his cash by wasting terrabytes on traffic
Breaking news Spigot rtp dev shade everything into his jar to waste traffic with his 300 MB jar
Just shade the whole Spigot jar into RTP.
You don't do that?
We already do that.
I shade in every fork.
fork, spoon, knife, all shaded
really need support on KGBTuinity bro...
We did integrate an AI helper to auto fix all issues.
We have all Via, PS, AuthMe issues integrated.
There is no way
No way
That you came from my loins boy
when I get home, imma punch your mama in the mouth

Punch yo mamma right in the mouth.
I really gotta get better at quoting that movie
run forrest run
ok DED
factual
there are some good apples but they end up getting spoiled by the bunch
So, I want to change my server to offline-mode, is there a way I can go in & change which username has which uuid so i can solve issues?
No, offline mode generates UUIDs based on the username.
Not the other way around.
Furthermore, we don't really support piracy here.
No one would really bother to help piracy so you can figure out on your own
He asked in support and came here right after 
^
lol
yeah pls hang all pirates finally
.addcmd scientists https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nazm3_OXac
I mean, if you're going to pirate, you do you. But don't ask for support.
You do it, you get to support yourself.
That easy
(That's my personal take, not speaking on behalf of paper (hopefully obviously))
How dare you have an opinion
I don’t think paper or any of its fork support piracy
Well, I think CG says you can ask but it's up to the specific person helping
Need to go read it again
Purpur has a special role called offline 
it does
or, rather, it doesn't say you can't ask
Please don't harass people for using offline mode. We understand that you might not like it and don't want to support it yourself, and that is okay. In that case, just leave people alone, and let someone else answer their questions.
so, like, basically - you can ask, and people can decline to help, but if someone does decide to help then let them do so w/o commentary and im fine with that
but im declining
Alright, anyway, I'm bored. How's everyone's day going
Not bad
can i post a skribbl link :)
Gonna draw up announcement for my small event map for 1.17 
obligatory notch statement about pirating the game https://twitter.com/notch/status/157261795139125248
@AndresLeay Just pirate it. If you still like it when you can afford it in the future, buy it then. Also don't forget to feel bad. ;)
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1767
doesn't mean notch didn't make minecraft
community can decide to not support you just cos your avatar has purple in it
if you wanted to, you could also interpret that tweet to mean we should harass people who pirate it so they can do it but they feel bad
so let's not listen to it
but seems he was rather indifferent about it, but I imagine he'd have the same position paper does in regards to whether someone ought to support someone's server in offline mode
Well he doesn't even get money from it anymore so he's not really relevant :pepla:
i'm aware of that
I don’t think your name is Notch so that statement literally makes no sense but ok
/nick Notch
but i still respect the guy for what he's done
Permission denied
nope
is that background at least transparent on discord or are you seriously using light mode?
..... I am using dark
See and even on pc I am
so it's transparent
that's how it looks in the browser: https://minecraft.ceo/⛏/gl6pWlXc.png
I guess it auto-adds some gray or something
Meh idk how is works just copy it from someone thought it was funny to trick some people
Guess it sucks
well anyways gotta go 😛
IRC will always get'ya! 
Anyone know if zendesk will reopen a ticket if you reply after closure? (I'm the customer, just don't know if they will have a reopened ticket after I had replied to something closed 2 days ago)
It should right?
Perhaps
Thanks granny
Man.. That was...
yo anyone know if the bedrokroof break is fixed on paper?
Turn on roof dmg if you want to be extra sure no one can be on top
there are known ways people can get on the top, just not break the roof
but, yeah, use nether-ceiling-void-damage-height in paper.yml if you want to stop them
did i make a good blacksmith for my spawm village
(also any suggestion tips for things i should change)
https://imgur.com/a/eHnEbNg
What has he done?
If I'm not wrong most of the ideas came from jeb and they were mostly added by him
sure he hasn't been involved with mojang for 6 years or so now, so it's not like he can be attributed to anything in the last 6 years, but coming up with the game in the first place
that's where he's earned my respect
Yeah and most sensible people will then lose all respect if you ever take just a single look at the shit he said
goes for everyone on twitter
yeah, and another angle with that is whether he truly meant anything of what he said but he's also quite a jokester
Some of the stuff he said will never be funny in any way or sense
It’s just a joke is some 12 year old argument to try to discredit criticism
This

leaf DFU in Paper wen
But you should distinguish between him as a person (being an a*shole) and his work as developer, which can be appreciated independent from him as a person
with large worlds, updating them takes sooooo long 
cant get offended if you dont open twitter 
i think Notch is just a very frustrated person due to the people he's interacted with and his general level of happiness, so factor that into the mix too
i don't think it's fair that someone's livelihood is ruined because of a few things they said that offend people
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I mean you don't need to forceUpgrade
depends on your workplace
depends on whether or not you listen with speakers, sulu and ^
not everyone is as prude as the US ;)
oof, my internet just died. wtf
Tfw we caught sulu using discord at work!
I guess vodafone did some maintanance or something
i am displeased with everyone who takes the names of God and Jesus and uses them as curse words, and quite frankly I don't think the rest of the world really cares about that
also TIL that amazon is creating their own cloud gaming service... because that turned out so good for google lol
i never really voice my thoughts either because i don't think anyone will take them seriously
or i don't know how anyone would react if I do criticize
Opinions differ, I don't think either of those person exists so that doesn't matter. But, probably #politics territory
sure
Ruined? He's rich af. And if it was ruined, then he deserves it. You shouldn't say stuff that offends people
wtf that offended me
let me ask you something dap
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is it a choice when you get offended at something?
no
it's your choice how you express it
so you don't choose to be offended at something
Exactly, but you don't get to pick whether it offends you or not
the good thing about the internet: it should be really easy to just take a step back and think about it before reacting
can we get #philosophy 
yesh, should -.-
yeah i agree to a point phoenix, i do react when people say something i don't like, that's true, but I choose how to react to it as well
as to whether i choose to be offended, I think it is a choice honestly
I mean I tend to react too quick to stuff too... but I've started to not try to get into certain discussions, at least hear cough politics cough
*here
its only ok if you have the right opinion 
Look you're viewing this from the pov of insulting the guy you hate on school. The difference here is that Notch disrespected and offended a LOT of people by saying "trans women aren't women"
And that's definitely not a good thing
no, it's not
I don't get why you're trying to defend him on that
Sure, it's his medieval opinion, but there's no need to share it online
there is no need to share anything online
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but tbh: if you are the kind of person that is fine with hurting other people with what you say, by all means, say it so everyone knows that you ARE that kind of person...
@ zzzCat I think phoenix is calling you out 🙄
see, we as a society are getting to a place where I think saying, "Only women can have babies" is going to be transphobic
you really wanna thread carefully when saying stuff like that here bruh
exactly
what the fuck is going on here
i have no idea
1.6.4?!
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Well if it offends people then what if you just keep it to yourself
what do you feed it ded?
yeah you'll probably only find NoCheatPlus for such an old version
but yeah, NCP existed back then and its decent
what if them not saying it offends someone else 
👀
Well then
you do
some of them will, some of them won't, no one really cares to test them
depends on how old the bug is in relation to when it was found
things like that come from 2 directions, there will always be people who are opposed and who agree, no matter the content
dap, do you believe we have free will?
If there's more people that are opposed than who agree, then you might wanna keep it to yourself
Which is fine imo, as long its a respectful discussion about the topic
we do
alright
There's just consequences
Might ruin your life for expressing your opinion online
It reaches the point where it's just about being smart
or get angry people to squat your account every time you make post 
free will 😅
hot take: saying your opinion shouldn't render you jobless if it has no relation to your job at all
pretty sure it's been proven that free will is an illusion lmao
i'm not going to ruin someone elses life for making comments when I know nothing about the reasons they said such a thing, and the internet is not the right place to understand where they are in life that brought them to saying those comments
Depends, if its public position or a position where ethical values play a big role, maybe it should
sure, but if you post them online they're there for people to judge
hence "if it has no relation to your job at all"
Yeah
even if you find the person a piece of shit they still have a right to live and that includes having money to feed themselves and their family
hot take: having a job shouldn't be required to live (or to feed a family)
(if you think they shouldn't live though, then we'll be opening a whole other precedent)
The thing is that they might be hurting other people's lives by saying those comments
btw you can offend me all you want dap, or try to. I'm not going to try to cancel you, nor do I think anyone should do the same either
I won't offend no one because it's not a right or smart thing to do
i'm called to love my neighbor, even if they are my enemy, which is actually my desire, it's the greatest thing I think I can do for someone else
congrats, you just invented health care 😉
so you love your neighbour but he's your enemy
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oh now we're all suddenly experts
Should export my invention to the US, im sure it will be successful there
Somehow the US will always find bad stuff in nice things
"b-but if people don't get money, they will be lazy and not productive!! human nature amirite!!!"
But people making money from minecraft plugins! /s
ok I wouldn't call my OSS habits "productive"
those are only a small fraction of the population tho
i try to dap, yeah, but it's not always easy for me, especially with people i've had not so great experiences with, but i try to do that
Conclusion: humans are dumb and should be eradicated
You don't have to love everyone, that's a dumb logic
the percentage of people in bullshit jobs is definitely higher, true
Hating sometimes is good
what if I argue that it's within human nature that we are social beings, and as such we have the tendency to group ourselves together and help each other survive either way? 
i mean look at where evolution took us
Nowhere
even from the start, we lived in tribes
sure, but what if i tell you people also have a tendency to want more than the other
Jealousy
throws the "those are just a small fraction of the population though" card here
Honestly if there was no jealousy the world would be so much better
and as with most animals, own life first, would you suffer for someone else? Die in their stead? When thats the case we'll talk again 😉
sure there are exceptions to the rule, but the majority of people would not help someone if it would put themself in harms way
@plucky sparrow i never hate the person, only the things they do, I find that to be a much more logical approach to life
Why not hate the person and the things they do
If he's doing those bad things then he's bad too
do I hate a son by lying to me when he was influenced by his father to lie? shouldn't I hate the father instead?
I definitely agree with that. But you can still have a society that tries to fight this instead of one that embraces and empowers this behaviour
there's a distinction between "someone" and "anyone" in that statement and I think you meant "anyone"
how so
would you die for someone in danger? and would you die for any given person in danger are very different
(actually they're less different in my sentence but I was paraphrasing)
There's exceptions such as that
It can, but
would you suffer for someone else?
Yes, I would suffer for someone else
would you suffer for anyone else?
No, I would not
However a person not influenced by anything and acting on their own and what they think is good is responsible for their actions
such a person doesnt exist tho
and yes by this logic i don't hate Hitler, I just sympathize with everyone who does not like him, and I do not condone anything he did with the intention of destroying a people
omg how dare you mention the forbidden name
I do not think he was right, I do not think he was living by the gospel (he was Christian, but I think eventually left it and despised it), I don't think that is any way to live
To add upon this, I believe evil is not inherent to the human being (e.g. no one gets born racist, but rather they are taught that behavior). And if someone experiences jealousy, then maybe they didn't have the same opportunity that the other person did... which could've been outside of their control so it's not even their fault they were blocked out of that opportunity, and in which case it is a problem that could be tackled on in a different way, rather than just thinking everyone is inherently evil so therefore we should prove otherwise because if not then we don't deserve anything... or something
holy shit i wrote a whole paragraph
Do you condemn his actions tho? There is a difference between hating him (the same way he hated jews) and condemning what he did.
So like... Even when assuming some people could be jealous just out of nowhere... Why would they dictate the life of the rest?
Actually, I think everyone is responsible for their actions regardless of them being influenced by anything or anyone (unless you're being influenced by lies).
yeah than I see some logic to this. I wouldn't completely agree, but its not what I first thought at least
who decides whats a lie and what isnt tho
truth
quite a lot of things can be proven
true, but equally as much cant
sufficiently at least, with like 99% confidence
Some aspects can't have different truths, even if people try to make them up (such as flat earthers)
These have their own logic
@tropic flame even in the evolutionary model I think there had to be the first human, so where did they get jealousy from?
an ape??
Animals show jealousy
true, Vector
well theres truth that can be proven through science, and theres truth that cant be (mostly political related and based on your culture)
you go RAMming about?
My main issue with that is when these two truths mix. Like climate change for example is in my opinion a scientific truth, but quite a lot of people make a political truth out of it (which is okay when talking about how to tackle it, but not its existence)
So basically, if a person does something bad, it makes the person bad unless they truly didn't mean it or didn't want to (as being manipulated or forced into doing that thing).
yeah i agree with that, and its really annoying.
You can't just say "oh hitler was a nice person, he just did bad stuff such as killing a lot of people"
i mean, he might've been a funny dude for all i know
i think he was mostly about committing evil
This is not ethical, and it makes the person bad
your ethical might differ from my eithical tho
here we go again 
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why is hitler always used? like, he wasnt even the worst person in human history :3
i think people associate "as a person" with "yeah he was a nice neighbor he'd even cut the grass from my garden and stuff and had 6 beautiful children" lmao
which is not all there is to it
existential crisis? existential crisis!
so it's just incomplete
Everyone knows about him so it's a good example
he's the most famous one
I doubt there is any metric to say who exactly was the worst person (the same way we can't say who is the best)
He's just stupidly popularised by media and history books
There was a dude who killed a looooooot more than hitler
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He definitely is at the lower end of the scale of human decency tho






