oh that's funny
#general
frank otter
waxen panther
first?
limber knotBOT
yes, it is very funny
void void
My favorite part about England was the plane ride back home
wispy blade
cat don't you mean counseling 
limber knotBOT
brocc why did you choose to be born in the UK
waxen panther
didnt man
golden gust
rarely
limber knotBOT
sure bud
golden gust
The rules of the internet always kinda amuse me
limber knotBOT
is there also a reason you decided to be a weeb too
magic river
England took over the world because they hated being home
golden gust
- If it hadn't been for Cotton Eyed Joe, Anonymous would have been married a long time ago.
waxen panther
i became a weeb because of rias π³
limber knotBOT
true amaranth true
frank otter
rias who
waxen panther
π€
wispy blade
rias deez nuts
frank otter
wait I don't get it
limber knotBOT
rias is probably some anime character
frank otter
oh is this just a glorified deez nuts joke
golden gust
Rule 13. Nothing is Sacred.
wispy blade
learn to math, brocc
golden gust
My G key also does not exist
frank otter
Δ
golden gust
- The more beautiful and pure a thing is, the more satisfying it is to corrupt it.
limber knotBOT
i remember when half my keyboard didn't work
you know what I did cat
I learned alt codes
didn't half ass shit
golden gust
Weak
wispy blade
sheesh
golden gust
I'm gonna learn morse code
frank otter
isn't that no longer a standard
placid island
.. - .. ..-..
wispy blade
learn the full unicode
placid island
why are bots typing in this channel? are they from another server?
fallen oracle
We just train smart AI.
wispy blade
^
magic river
Wait did we just move right past a chance for a BOOSTO gif?
wispy blade
no
waxen panther
π³
limber knotBOT
nobody understands these references boomer
frank otter
I mean calling leaf smart might be a bit of a jump
wispy blade
TRUE
waxen panther
you send the dxd gifs amaranth, im on thin enough ice already 
queen tusk
Cat, you advised against using ZGC right? If I'm not confusing people
magic river
queen tusk
May I ask why? Out of curiosity
magic river
I know better than to share anything actually from the show π
limber knotBOT
oh it's weeb stuff
golden gust
These collectors are designed for highly threaded workloads on large heaps, not an app which generates it all on a single thread wrapped in a few G of ram
bright pollen
limber knotBOT
the collectors are designed for an entirely different language
where object allocation isn't in the gigabytes
golden gust
for some it works fine, for most it does not or is more caveated, we know how G1 works and generally how to tune it for most; So, use what you want, just, we can't support the new gen of collectors
queen tusk
These collectors are designed for highly threaded workloads on large heaps, not ...
Wouldn't a lot of memory be assigned off-thread? Because of the packet parsing
magic river
ZGC and Shenandoah are meant for when you have 10+GB heaps and are okay dedicating half your CPU cores to handling GC work if that means you can use your stupidly large heap without noticeable pause times
There might be Minecraft servers that can benefit from using one of them but it's not yours
limber knotBOT
how many dedodated wam for gc
magic river
Oh they also have a 10-15% performance hit
They're for when latency is the most important metric but you still think using Java is a good idea π
limber knotBOT
it's a true shame the kernel wasn't written in java
queen tusk
There _might_ be Minecraft servers that can benefit from using one of them but i...
For one of my projects we actually switched to ZGC and it was great
magic river
If you know enough about the JVM and GCs to tell me I'm wrong you aren't the target of that statement and I'm not sure why you're asking us for help since you're the expert π
golden gust
it depends and debugging it is a pita when it doesn't go to well
queen tusk
It has peaks of 500, but doesn't average that much, 350 or so, I'm considering proposing it to the devs of my largest projects where we have issues with GC on releases
golden gust
None of us here are GC experts, and so, we're not gonna really be offering anything big brain here
queen tusk
Due to us hitting instance limits (for us, we probably have a lot to improve on))
golden gust
Like, I'm generally aware of how the newer stuff works and am generally aware of their caveats and how MC works in general, for some ZGC works, but, we can't offer a pretty set of "copy and paste" flags for ZGC which works fine for the 99%
magic river
With the right tuning G1GC should be basically the ideal GC for Minecraft though
golden gust
no, that's why we don't recommend ZGC
We can't recommend a "one fits all" with ZGC
We basically can with G1
and, for most, tuning ZGC is far out of their bounds
So, generally, no, I cannot and do not recommend ZGC unless you wanna spend potentially hours or days working on it
magic river
I still don't think ZGC is ever going to be worth it
golden gust
I only do nice things for people I care about
limber knotBOT
yes which is why ull do it for me
golden gust
literally no idea who you are
magic river
You should only hit those heap sizes when you have a high player count on a non-minigames world but in that case the perf hit from using ZGC should hurt even more because you're already pushing the limits of what MC can keep up with
Unless you have a really expensive plugin running
rich elbow
GGC
true canyon
I'm a strong advocate for Epsilon GC. It has the least overhead of all the GC.
golden gust
why can't somebody make a GC which doesn't suck
ancient bolt
I suspect with the improvements they've made to it that ZGC on Java 16 would work great for Minecraft
rich elbow
compared to? and why? sub 1ms is fine if overall CPU load is not too high ie wasting CPU power on whole node
ancient bolt
Lol javas GCs are state is the art
ancient bolt
compared to? and why? sub 1ms is fine if overall CPU load is not too high ie was...
What are you asking? This sentence reads like disconnected sounds
limpid comet
a classic joke
golden gust
about as classic as bleuly
rich elbow
lol
rich elbow
What are you asking? This sentence reads like disconnected sounds
what is the cost of those 1ms collections
u can have frequent and fast collections but as result overall cpu load can be higher
ancient bolt
I absolutely want to run a large server on Java 16 zgc for a while and do performance profiling, but I don't have a large server so yeah
No, zgc does not work like that
queen tusk
I absolutely want to run a large server on Java 16 zgc for a while and do perfor...
We run ZGC and are medium sized, it's been great for us
twin lagoon
define medium sized
magic river
500 players on a single instance isn't medium sized
golden gust
the issue is that it all boils down to the crap being tossed onto the heap
vernal moth
DenWav just ask Michael to play with one of his servers
twin lagoon
i will definitely play with zgc soon
rich elbow
we're still using G1 and it's manageable ... on fac servers with TNT abuse it generally needs some more memory but it's alright
queen tusk
Peaks of 1300 which I would define as large, but an average of 500/600 which I'd say is medium
twin lagoon
cracked server?
rich elbow
[19:36:04 INFO]: Average GC times:
[19:36:04 INFO]: - G1 Young Generation: 25 ms (ran 161 times)
[19:36:04 INFO]: - G1 Old Generation: 0 ms (ran 0 times)
Average pause time is 50us and it is very efficient. It really is the most impressive gc I've ever seen
queen tusk
cracked server?
No
twin lagoon
dunno if i would call 600 mediumsized ngl
golden gust
Yea, the metrics I've seen for ZGC are amazing
It's just ensuring you'd avoid the "oh shit" cases
magic river
Did they optimize the slowdown ZGC puts on everything?
twin lagoon
i had random lagspikes with ZGC even though the metrics were fine last time
but that was on jdk 11
golden gust
did you look at the GC logs?
rich elbow
that also depends I guess... "oh shit" cases where u would ahve 1 or 2 major hits per 24h is still good imo, for big servers ig
unless they're like 2sec+ hits lol
golden gust
biggest thing is what I believe was the memory access overheads due to the "regioning" or whatever they call it, as well as allocation stalls
sturdy island
Can you break bedrock while running paper?
golden gust
big issue is that if the collector can't keep up, it just starts pausing threads more or less
rich elbow
Can you break bedrock while running paper?
not by default afaik
golden gust
and guess which thread it loves the most
magic river
ZGC used to be everything gets an across the board performance hit and then several cores are spiked dealing with GC so you have less for chunk loading all to go from usually unnoticeable GC pauses to completely unnoticeable GC pauses
ancient bolt
Yeah the initialization of forwarding tables was taking a significant amount of time (done concurrently)
In summary, these changes significantly reduce the time is takes to allocate and initialize forwarding tables, especially when collecting very large heaps that are sparsely populated, where the reduction can be on the order of one or two magnitudes.
sturdy island
not by default afaik
How can I enable it?
golden gust
.tntdupe
limber knotBOT
Having problems with TNT Duping, Bedrock Breaking or Sand Duping Vanilla Exploits? See: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/3854 for information.
rich elbow
with plugin
small panther
vernal moth
Imagine wanting to unfix bugs
wispy blade
mini, vc when
rich elbow
lol
ancient bolt
ZGC _used_ to be everything gets an across the board performance hit and then se...
I use zgc for everything now, don't see this behavior, but yeah I don't run a Minecraft server so idk. Also I'm just looking at runtime etc not really profiling
sturdy island
Imagine wanting to unfix bugs
Yea well
Should be a Survival Server and in survival is it possible
wispy blade
they're in paper.yml unsupported settings
rich elbow
I use zgc for everything now, don't see this behavior, but yeah I don't run a Mi...
might be worth it to print gc log then? and analyse it with gceasy or something (unless u love scrolling lol)
golden gust
our mission goal as we state on our material states that we fix bugs
if fixing bugs goes against your whims, you're probably using the wrong software.
magic river
The performance hit was because ZGC added a load barrier so it could fix pointers up on demand if you tried to use one before the GC finished a cycle
Normal GCs would just stop the world for that fixup
I think they were hoping to use escape analysis to be smarter about where the barriers were needed
ancient bolt
Zgc changelog at the bottom of the page https://wiki.openjdk.java.net/display/zgc/Main#Main-JDK11
magic river
Wow ZGC will actually give memory back to the OS if Xms and Xmx aren't the same
ancient bolt
This is the first time we've experienced a GC "in development" - all the others were before the accelerated release cycle. So for all of the other GCs when they come out they're fully tested and ready to go etc, have lots of performance optimisations. But here zgc wasn't considered production ready until java 15
So I would be hesitant to write off zgc so soon based on earlier benchmarks
magic river
iirc when they started out Shenandoah sounded like the better design
I think ZGC was Oracle folks seeing Shenandoah and deciding they wanted to do their own version
Seems like it got no love though, haven't heard anything about it since jdk12
worn ember
twin lagoon
Wow ZGC will actually give memory back to the OS if Xms and Xmx aren't the same
shenandoah does the same
worn ember
Hello mikel
frank otter
Wait what
oblique wolf
Is paper almost fully updated??
frank otter
there technically is a 1. 17 version
but it's nowhere near stable
everyone tryna find bugs n shish
oblique wolf
When do you think it will be stable or do you not know?
magic river
As far as I can tell ZGC is now the superior choice just due to having the most work put in to it. I don't know if that was Oracle fuckery or if I'm wrong and people decided ZGC was the better design so all efforts went toward it
ashen cliff
Wow ZGC will actually give memory back to the OS if Xms and Xmx aren't the same
So does G1.
magic river
Oh yeah, since 12
Well, it looks like it could do it before that too but only if it did a full GC which it tried very hard to never do
Shenandoah has always done it
That was in the original patch
ashen cliff
Anyway ZGC was and is epic... tho due to people doing stupid shit with it, someone started to hate it very very much. 
brave radish
I tried ZGC on my client, it borked everything, was too lazy to find out why and how to fix it Β―_(γ)_/Β―
ashen cliff
No idea what happened with Java 16 and 1.17, but yeah ZGC on the new client is horrible.
For me is unusable.
brave radish
I was on 1.16 yeah
ashen cliff
On 1.16 it worked fine for me.
brave radish
No idea what happened with Java 16 and 1.17, but yeah ZGC on the new client is h...
maybe put that on your blog post then
ashen cliff
Even fixed the dimension switch leak.
To be fair, the blog post is about servers not the client.
brave radish
tru
I didn't even read your blog post before I tried it
then I saw someone link it so I read it and decided to try again, no luck
8 FPS
magic river
This is not ok
rich elbow
that's msteams
rich elbow
most efficient way of using teams: uninstall it
alternative: get i9 with 16gb+ of mem
twin lagoon
i9 
magic river
After restarting them they both went down to using basically nothing
I guess they just bug out when open too long
rich elbow
dunno but ik I saw a lot of issues around teams, performance wise
for potatopc it's probably best to just disable autostartup
now imagine kids using this for classes on good old celerons with 4g ram
lol
void void
I like cheese
magic river
I'm not on call or anything but if something explodes and my boss wants my help on it one of those are how he'd poke me to see if I'm available
I can't just close them
rich elbow
π
magic river
Well, I mean, I could, not on call so today is my day but then he'd be stuck dealing with it on his own
And I'm not really doing anything today, just watching Loki
river shore
sup guys does anybody know what could be a reason of night not passing while i sleep in bed?
magic river
Plugin
brave radish
other players online
river shore
nah im only 1 online
magic river
If you're trying to use a datapack to let one person skip the night even though others are on apparently datapacks are completely broken in Paper
brave radish
there's a gamerule for that now though Β―_(γ)_/Β―
hot hamlet
https://namemc.com/skin/5d5eb6d84b57ea29
Is there an easyway to download / create a simple gif like this of a minecraft skin?
ancient bolt
As far as I can tell ZGC is now the superior choice just due to having the most ...
Oracle is shitty no doubt, but I don't think they pushed Shenandoah out. Openjdk (recently) is like the only open source project Oracle does right. But still they have the overwhelming majority of new JEPs going in, cause they work on it fulltime even as it's open source. I assume there just weren't enough backers of shen to keep it's development up to pace with Oracle
void void
Does anyone like cheese?
waxen panther
<@&748618676189528155>
void void
Why type like that
golden gust
!ban @mental jay troll elsewhere
uncut moss
annoying
thorny flickerBOT
:raised_hands: Banned Rob0ertplayz#9511 (troll elsewhere) [1 total infraction] -- electronicboy#8869.
cunning raft
dumbass
void void
Wow
magic river
Oracle would have particular interest in making sure Red Hat doesn't become an even larger participant in the project though
golden gust
I'm not saying that the belt is the right option, but, I mean, it worked better than whatever the fuck is going on these days
magic river
And Red Hat being the primary developer of the best GC for the JVM would make them a key player
minor badge
magic river
That's what I mean by Oracle fuckery, I'm saying they started ZGC not because they thought they could do better or go faster than working with the Shenandoah folks but because they wanted to push Shenandoah out of the spotlight by having their own version
I have no idea if that's true but it's Oracle so I'm going to believe it π
ancient bolt
I don't even remember what the differences between the two were tbh
But zgc is a way better name
So that's good imo lol
magic river
Oracle almost lost control of OpenJDK to Red Hat once already by botching the original opening up of the project
Everyone was using and building on IcedTea
I think technically it was Sun still then but yeah
warm anchor
All about them $$$
ashen cliff
There was also another GC that never got merged. Kind of like G1, but with extra steps but better performance. No idea what it was called tho.
magic river
Every other Sun open source project got forked away and Oracle lost control of them, that was already happening to OpenJDK before anyone had a reason to run from Oracle
golden gust
iced tea was literally the default java on ubuntu and such
mighty storm
Iced tea is a drink smh
magic river
Sun put out a snapshot of the work in progress Java 8 code, IcedTea started out as a project to trim that back to just Java 7 stuff so a stable release could be made
It also included a NPAPI plugin since that wasn't open sourced at all
But when Java 8 and OpenJDK 8 came we didn't all switch to it, we just went to IcedTea 8
It wasn't until later releases of 8 that the move back to OpenJDK happened
nimble depot
<:java:444433298480168960>
Java. The bane of my existence
brave radish
ok ThinkPad collector
mighty storm
ok collector of thinkpads
wispy blade
ok cute c h e w
frank otter
OK ceo of reading
worn ember
did you install w11 on wsl?
potent fossil
wat
potent fossil
no, arch, but i guess i expanded the fuck out of the vhdx because i use it a lot and copy (big) files to/from, so it was either continously shrink the vhdx to keep ssd with some free space or move it to a much larger drive and only shrink it once in a blue moon
kind of annoying tho
m$ has wsl --export to dump your entire distro into a tarball
then you move the tarball to wherever and do wsl --import. But, it fucks up your default user on any nonstandard distro (arch), so you have to go registry diving to fix that. Then fix the default distro in WSL, then fix windows terminal, then reboot so the Lxss service can figure its life out, then unregister the old WSL
but π at least it's done
worn ember
first you think "wow windows has some cool features" and then you realize they dont work as intended half the time xD
vernal moth
Mfw you find a bagger remix by an artist, checkout their other stuff and are disappointed hard
twin lagoon
kind of annoying tho
m$ has `wsl --export` to dump your entire distro into a ta...
wsl import & set the default user through wsl / archwsl again
no need to touch registry
merry talon
no, arch, but i guess i expanded the fuck out of the vhdx because i use it a lot...
I had to grab a wsl distro from a drive with a separate windows install
and let me tell you
do not get yourself in that situation
that export tool exists for a reason lol
potent fossil
wsl import & set the default user through wsl / archwsl again
ok how
potent fossil
that export tool exists for a reason lol
I did use the export tool
merry talon
yeah I know
potent fossil
I use wsl --export, then wsl --import and it fucked my default user
merry talon
just saying
potent fossil
I have no Arch.exe, so, I had to go registry diving
I would love to be told that's not necessary
If y'all actually bother to fucking tell me why :-)
merry talon
can't you just wsl --set-default-user Arch <user>
merry talon
pretty sure
worn ember
Mfw you find a bagger remix by an artist, checkout their other stuff and are dis...
are you calling netsky trash????
potent fossil
You can pass --user, -u but there is no --set-default-user
there's --set-default-version however
vernal moth
are you calling netsky trash????
His other stuff is just doing different
Plus I learned he's Belgian
That signed the deal
worn ember
wow ban this racist /s
potent fossil
The way a shitload of GH issues said to do it was ubuntu2004.exe then pass shit to that, but I've not got an arch.exe or anything of the sort as I originally installed it with scoop, then exported & imported which keeps only the vhdx and temp file storage
so, registry diving was the answer. another thing i saw was /etc/wsl.conf which did not exist in my system
worn ember
but yeah, old school netsky do hit different
merry talon
Oh hmm, I guess you saw this https://superuser.com/a/1566031/1343671
potent fossil
Yeah that's one of the things I saw
vernal moth
Oh wait, he dutch
worn ember
bruh
merry talon
You installed arch with scoop? lmao
worn ember
pretty sure dimitri vegas and like mike are belgian too
twin lagoon
I have no Arch.exe, so, I had to go registry diving
install archwsl again
import it afterwards
potent fossil
that sounds fucked michael
merry talon
looks like its already fixed
potent fossil
mine was relatively painless
vernal moth
pretty sure dimitri vegas and like mike are belgian too
Dimitry Vegas is obviously Greek
golden gust
Wheres the two fingered princess when you need him
that sticker is pretty class though
worn ember
well at least one is belgian xD
golden gust
Oh, seven figured
worn ember
lets start another war mini, so we can get more of your land π
golden gust
@wind mauve ^ found the warning plate you where missing
vernal moth
lets start another war mini, so we can get more of your land π
Clearly you didn't earn that, smh
worn ember
got it anyway 
vernal moth
Cause of ur big sister
worn ember
whos the big sister
vernal moth
Belgium is such a weird country
vernal moth
Cause it's their weird mixture of France, Germany and Netherlands
So really, should just divide it
Oh and get rid of Luxembourg obviously
vernal moth
Well split and join others
vernal moth
Dutch need land cause nobody seems to care about the climate catastrophe
worn crest
More land for us, woo!
ur german or dutch π
wide chasm
Dutch
worn ember
vernal moth
Netherlands are just germanies beach
wide chasm
I mean, if the oceans rise too fast I and a million others will be dead
vernal moth
And a good parking lot for tanks
worn ember
I mean, if the oceans rise too fast I and a million others will be dead
sounds like a plan
wide chasm
Since I'm literally below ocean level atm
worn ember
actually, our coastline is pretty low too
potent fossil
are you fucking kidding me 
the "microsoft" way is literally just creating a file called /etc/wsl.conf (i thought it had to be there already for that to be recognized) with:
default=username
I want to die
wide chasm
"How to kill a million people with a single bomb"
worn crest
Netherlands are just germanies beach
i never was in german beach, always netherlands and sometimes belgium
wide chasm
Actually, there was a report that our dams are extremely insecure, so you could just hack into them.
worn ember
hack the dams, open them all up and rip netherlands
vernal moth
Randsomware attack π
worn crest
I think you didn't get the joke Galaxis
i can understand and write a bit english, but jokes nah π im not into that
worn ember
he meant kaasland is germany's beach
wide chasm
"How to kill a million people with one pc"
vernal moth
i can understand and write a bit english, but jokes nah π im not into that
I love how I can tell you are german
Our education system failed yet again
worn crest
he meant kaasland is germany's beach
that i understand, i go there because german beach is much more driving than netherlands π
worn ember
im not sure whats worse, being close to the german border, or to the french border
vernal moth
That's fine then, my English only got good around that age too
wispy blade
Netherlands are just germanies beach
can confirm: everytime i go to Zeeland there's the entire German population
vernal moth
Some cats in here might say my English never got good
worn crest
So not yet
im beginning with my drivers license so yeah im mid of 16
vernal moth
can confirm: everytime i go to Zeeland there's the entire German population
In exchange you invade the mosel valley with your caravans
worn ember
sad driverless 23yo noises
vernal moth
I swear, whole Autobahn, filled with dum cars or caravans with orange licence plates
worn ember
gotta skrrt
vernal moth
I mean, at least it's a warning color, but still
wide chasm
Went to Zeeland once, had to speak German there to understand people
worn ember
here you either speak, dutch, german, french or arabic
wispy blade
here you speak all of that + turkish and english
worn crest
here you either speak, dutch, german, french or arabic
why arabic
worn ember
cuz we got a lot of immigrants
wispy blade
flemish doesn't count as a language
worn ember
i'll send them your way to learn german instead
worn ember
says the german speaker
wispy blade
flemish is accented dutch π€
worn ember
belgium is like a shit big and we got like 50 dialects
worn crest
I got a friend who has Belgian parents and she speaks flemish
flemish? is it a language or do you mean "easy", "understandable"
worn ember
flemish is belgians dutch lol
faint crystal
yo germany didn't accept my citizenship request because my german grades in school weren't good enough while my dad cheated his ass through a deutschkurs, can barely say a proper sentence in german but still got the citizenship
golden gust
vernal moth
Yeah that's part of the test
limpid comet
Certified Discord Streamer
vernal moth
You gotta skip the bureaucracy to be a proper German
worn ember
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3EBs7sCOzo
have you watched clarksons farm? its pretty funny
golden gust
not yet
worn ember
amazon putting out some good originals with him tbh
vernal moth
Elon musk has it figured out, he just builds a giant factory before the permit is there
At the pace he's building that thing, the first cars will be rolling out before the permit is done π
golden gust
"Wait, what? Well, it's already here..."
faint crystal
haha
vernal moth
Well, he basically put in guarantees that he can dismantle everything if no permit is issues
So somewhere we got a giant bag of money held hostage
golden gust
if no permit is issues
worn ember
goverments have no power anymore really, all the internationals have the power lol
vernal moth
That's gboard for ya cat
vernal moth
Government can still say no DED, they issued a provisionally permit or whatever
worn crest
writing with gboard english is kinda hard
golden gust
idc
wispy blade
imagine not having spellcheck/wordsuggest off
golden gust
am just here to shit on mini
vernal moth
Not if you tell gboard that you speak English and German
golden gust
Like, damn, I just realised
If I leave the core team, we got some big shoes to fill
Who else is gonna bully mini everyday?
worn crest
Not if you tell gboard that you speak English and German
it corrects most of the english to a similar german word π
wispy blade
who else is gonna shit on my rug D:
waxen panther
Donβt worry cat, I am more than up for it
merry talon
wtf is a certified discord streamer
wispy blade
looong story
vernal moth
it corrects most of the english to a similar german word π
Clearly you need to write more English then
native wolf
Donβt worry cat, I am more than up for it
Nah you can't replace Cat tho
waxen panther
yeah Iβd be 100x better cuz Iβm southern British π
worn crest
Clearly you need to write more English then
merry talon
I'm just jealous of the free colored name when I have to pay $5 for it π‘
wispy blade
just become no table
vernal moth
They paid too π
native wolf
I'm just jealous of the free colored name when I have to pay $5 for it π‘
White is also a color lol
merry talon
lol no
wispy blade
white is all the colours bro
tough tiger
Brown is all the colors
native wolf
Yea, but, who cares about the whites
That hurt a little
wispy blade
i know you care about me cat, ly2 <3
worn ember
white is a color, black isn't
white is all colors combined, black is the lack of color
waxen panther
π¬
waxen panther
sez u
merry talon
any mods
worn ember
yes, so you see light, while black absorbes all so you dont see any light
wispy blade
colour is all in your brain anyway
merry talon
yeah but at least I don't project
native wolf
White is all colors
That means blue is in white
That means we are all core team :think:
merry talon
like leaf
potent fossil
can y'all rate my cat in #adorable-pets
the bottom one; the top one is just a weirdo
thx 
wispy blade
12/5
worn ember
sorry i dont rate poosy
wispy blade
shut up DED
potent fossil
.kill DED
limber knotBOT
rips off DED's limbs and leaves them to die.
worn ember
potent fossil
native wolf
Ok you deserve it now
merry talon
5/7
potent fossil
wtf why sweepy
merry talon
that's a perfect score
potent fossil
wheres the other 2/7 π
faint crystal
no
merry talon
boomers
worn ember
sounds like my asp teacher
"you cant have max grades cuz that would mean your code is perfect and nothing can be improved"
potent fossil
This is giving me war flashbacks to physics
I came here to share kitties and get PTSD instead
Thanks Sweepy
worn ember
Thanks Sweepy
thorn ermine
How does PaperMC make money?
golden gust
it doesn't
thorn ermine
Nice
waxen panther
"Nice"
brave radish
How does PaperMC make money?
by pinging @thorn ermine until he donates the Core Team's salary for a year
worn ember
just hide cryptominer in the jar
brave radish
thorn ermine
by pinging <@!343724248831098881> until he donates the Core Team's salary for a ...
shit! Tactics
brave radish
Put it under the villager tick; no one will see anything wrong
merry talon
by having jobs
vestal canyon
How to get a girlfriend
worn ember
i'll be your gf for 20$/h
vestal canyon
also probably by not participating in this discord
How to get a girlfriend in minecraft 
wispy blade
osu gfs are worse
waxen panther
aye, lets go
who cares
the real news is that hamilton didnt win today
thank god!
meager tusk
Last thing one sees before they get banned
upbeat scaffold
is there a discord for the essentialsX plugin?
waxen panther
yes M.O.S.S
upbeat scaffold
thank you
waxen panther
void void
moss <3
void void
osu gfs are worse
does that even exists
worn ember
Last thing one sees before they get banned
swift root
Hi neeme
brave radish
hi Larry
worn ember
sup larry person
waxen panther
larry xxx
worn ember
dont say hi to the weebs
wispy blade
hey Lerre
merry talon
trying to play osu makes me feel like a worthless human being
worn ember
placid island
what does the 11 mean?
thorny rapids
java11
placid island
uh
golden gust
oh no
placid island
shouldn't this be updated?
placid island
am i going to be the person?
thorny rapids
yea honestly lol
placid island
to remind about this?
merry talon
pr incoming
golden gust
had the link ready myself π
merry talon
not really tho am in an uber
placid island
WE NEED TO ALERT THE STAFF
this is a RED ALERT
this needs to be UPDATED 
magic river
Fucking children
thorny rapids
lol
placid island
well i feel stupid now
waxen panther
at least his status makes sense
tropic flame
turning up to 11 sounds illegal, it should be to 18 at the very least
worn ember
11/20
cedar berry
are there any stable versions of paper 1.17 out?
wispy blade
no
cedar berry
ok
merry talon
just got jab #2 
wispy blade
nice
worn ember
thanks google
wispy blade
LNAO
vernal moth
The unit killed it for me
wispy blade
0.000000011669016 Hz?
worn ember
yes
wispy blade
that uh
brave radish
anyone here have some cool plugins for paper 1.17
Same plugins that were cool in 1.16
worn ember
bruh these are cursed
merry talon
so that's like
brave radish
WE is practically impossible to live without if you want to make a map or smth
magic river
We had two blue moons in 2018
potent fossil
approximately yes, 3 years for a (literal) blue moon to be in the sky
but the phrase is just wording to indicate something is fairly rare
potent fossil
We had two blue moons in 2018
and ofc exceptions can occur
magic river
Next one is August 22
magic river
Next time we have two in a single year will be 2048 but that's 10 years after the world ends so doesn't really matter
worn ember
potent fossil
you know what's also August 22?
i know you're joking but one of my favorite things to do when bored af is look up dates and see all the documented 'notable' shit that happened on that day https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_22
wispy blade
check december 13th
merry talon
Next time we have two in a single year will be 2048 but that's 10 years after th...
right now we're 11 years after the world ended
and also 21 years
wispy blade
lots of interesting shit happened in history on december 13th
potent fossil
wild
what are you talking about DED lmao
did we all miss the joke
if that's the case then that sounds like a personal problem 
potent fossil
worn ember
did we *all* miss the joke
yes
hardy lodge
https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/serverrestorer.48853
So Im using that plugin
Is it normal to be able to play on the server while it saves it?
uncut moss
probably, don't see a reason it wouldn't let you
hardy lodge
But usually, people tell me to stop my server before making a zip or copying the server dir
uncut moss
i mean as long as it's not modifying any files and just copying them it's probably fine
but it could cause problems
i guess
golden gust
backing up data which is being modified while the app is running is pretty bad
if you're just backing up worlds, save-all flush, disable saving, and backup
but, there are still files in there which can be modified
hardy lodge
Ok
golden gust
any data being saved while the backup is running can cause various issues, inconsistencies in what's stored, e.g. towny does not like it when one file references another file which doesn't exist, you could create corrupted files in your backups, etc
hardy lodge
So should I just create a script to stop then copy the server then start the server again then zip the copied folder then sftp it and run it using cron job?
Ah, ok
golden gust
if you want a full server backup, yea
golden gust
sane people just do incremental backups for the world and such, plugins are generally a mixed bag
hardy lodge
whats incremental backup?
potent fossil
a full backup is taken, and then every backup after that only contains the files that have changed
tropic flame
(hi, spoon 
)
hardy lodge
Oh I never knew you were here as well logics
hardy lodge
Same lol
hardy lodge
a full backup is taken, and then every backup after that only contains the files...
How would I implement that?
hardy lodge
hmm i see you're in M.O.S.S. too
Yeah, I joined a ton of support servers when I was first setting up the server lol
true canyon
hmm i see you're in M.O.S.S. too
best server β€οΈ
tropic flame
best server β€οΈ
β€οΈ
magic river
potent fossil
Just google for "incremental backup tool" and you can find options, but rsnapshot is great and just plain rsync as well can do it
potent fossil
rsnapshot does kinda expect that your backup server is NOT the same server as the server running your mc server tho (as storing backups on prod kinda defeats the purpose of backing up at all)
so be aware of that at least
potent fossil
"Global warming is a hoax."
"It's a lie."
"The planet is not heating up."
πΆββοΈ
twin lagoon
46C in portland bruh what
potent fossil
tropic flame
just come to portugal, everyone
tomorrow's going to be very nice
yes i was too lazy to crop out my location so i just lowered the notification crap
void void
Question: Is the most recent Paper 1.17 preview stable enough to host a server without chunk problems or connectivity issues?
thorny totem
I attempted to re-compile Paper on my Windows host using WSL, uses up over 8GB
https://i.qcfb.ca/20210627175726.png
gives a total of 9.36GB. There's SWAP enabled on WSL and no difference, how you guys are able to compile Paper under 8GB? Using default values from the commands in the repo
tropic flame
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2021/06/the_dev_behind_one_of_the_worlds_best_...
holy fuck
R.I.P.
thorny totem
Rip π
olive marlin
I was testing stuff on a 8GB VM and it worked just fine yesterday.
I remember 4 being not enough though.
thorny totem
Yeah, hence why I upgraded my VPS to 8GB but still not sufficient. Fresh J16 install from the apt repo jfrog (AdoptOpenJDK) but couldn't still compile. My Win host has 64GB of ram so no problems
golden gust
8GB VM
thorny totem
don't know if its because im on Debian 9.13 (I should upgrade to Buster atleast)
golden gust
Didn't work on 4 but been working fine on 8
thorny totem
Lucky you but not for me π€£
olive marlin
I tested on CX31 from Hetzner, without any issues even with Paperclip:
worn ember
"Global warming is a hoax."
"It's a lie."
"The planet is not heating up."
i mean its definitely happening, buts its no just cuz of humans, theres other factors involved too (just throwing that out there, plz no hurt)
potent fossil
normal heating and cooling happens on a scale of thousands of years, not 100
thorny totem
don't know whats wrong with my VPS then >.<
potent fossil
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2021/06/the_dev_behind_one_of_the_worlds_best_...
Jesus :/
That fucking kiwifarms website is disgusting. RIP.
worn ember
weather has been all over the place here, storms, heatwaves, more storms
potent fossil
I went on that forum to just see what was happening and they're all just shitting on his corpse right now
Like, what the actual fuck
merry talon
horrifying
thorny totem
and yet when the compilation finished, wsl java process are still running in the background >.>
native wolf
That's the Gradle daemon
granite slate
Does it exists an official list of manifest main attributes?
brave radish
what?
native wolf
Does it exists an official list of manifest main attributes?
Wdym by "main attributes"?
vestal jasper
it'll be 80f outside at midnight lmao
vestal jasper
it's 100f rn 
granite slate
yes thanks
brave radish
I wish GitHub would at least let you set the name of artifacts uploaded from Actions without it adding .zip
potent fossil
<@&748618676189528155>
vestal jasper
@marble jasper
potent fossil
399943790552416261
potent fossil
What an asshole
vestal jasper
@potent fossil dream team 
potent fossil
cosmic raft
!ban 399943790552416261 spam
thorny flickerBOT
:raised_hands: Banned π π§ππ¨π©πππ£π¨ππ©π€#0001 (spam) [1 total infraction] -- kashike#8590.
olive marlin
I only saw 2 dots on mobile, I assume some image for white theme or something?
brave radish
just tons of whitespace
vestal jasper
^
olive marlin
Oh. On mobile it looked like dot, empty line, dot.
potent fossil
lol
olive marlin
I was confused so even copied the message somewhere else.
potent fossil
Good job Korobi!
limber knotBOT
what was it on dumcord? 
brave radish
80,000 blank lines
limber knotBOT
has nothing to do with korobi, it's the bridge
potent fossil
two dots with a lot of whitespace between to blank the channel
magic mesa
bruh
astral linden
serious?
cosmic raft
!ban 700378125904642070 spam
thorny flickerBOT
:raised_hands: Banned π¨ππ§πππ#6666 (spam) [1 total infraction] -- kashike#8590.
potent fossil
what an annoying fuck
limber knotBOT
actually, the bridge includes it. korobi does filter it out... as does my terminal lol
my client also filters it
or wait no, I am confused
most likely it's the bridge
potent fossil
amazing
true canyon
Thanks, bot.
brave radish
btw why is @upbeat falcon "Playing Minecraft 1.17.1-pre1"
and does it always show latest? cuz that'd be really cool
warm anchor
Maybe itβs really playing chicken. How can you be sure
brave radish
Pencil is a smart bot
maybe sulu has it testing stuff
oh I probably just pingeded him on IRC, oops
brave radish
π
unique jay
isn't really cool and mysterious how the atlantic ocean water isn't mixing ? :DDD
uncut ginkgo
i still cant tell if 1.17 paper is out or not
unique jay
i still cant tell if 1.17 paper is out or not
stable release ? no
uncut moss
it's available but unstable
brave radish
It has been released, but it is not considered stable
uncut ginkgo
ah ok
brave radish
It is much more stable than before though, and most people could probably get away with running it (not that I'd recommend it)
uncut ginkgo
ill wait for the more stable one
worldly flare
The best anticheat for 1.17?
unique jay
The best anticheat for **1.17**?
ACR
unreal quarry
The best anticheat for **1.17**?
human moderation \o/
worn ember
tell that to the anti bot bots
unreal quarry
makes for a good game of whack-a-mole
worn ember
does /ban @a work?
uncut moss
think so
brave radish
it does @worn ember
clever gorge
brave radish
there's a #gifs-and-memes so that those don't get put here, but alr
cosmic raft
Threat: Daytime highs ranging from 40 to 46 degrees celsius combined with overnight lows of 18 to 22 degrees celsius.
potent fossil
a climate-change related world war is probably right around the proverbial corner, fought not between governments on the world stage but between governments and their citizenry π€‘ I'm ready for the inevitable collapse of civilization as we know it
brave radish
> Threat: Daytime highs ranging from 40 to 46 degrees celsius combined with over...
I would actually like the overnight lows there
just... not the first part...
oblique wolf
Iβve been wait a while for paper to update to 1.17
magic ice
ok
brave radish
you can use the builds that are out if you want
not sure what you're complaining about
potent fossil
because they feel entitled to immediate service for free and any delay that would mark the contrary brings out the beast
broken rampart
who is that
golden gust
π€·ββοΈ
uncut moss
the guy who runs the ltt minecraft server i guess
broken rampart
what's ltt?
novel horizon
linus tech tips
you know you could just google it lol
"whats linus tech tips"
i dare u
:p
novel horizon
fortunately you can find it
broken rampart
@burnt sandal are you a big youtuber
golden gust
doesn't ring any bells
broken rampart
he didn't respond, i don't think he is
uncut moss
he isnβt
brave radish
I've heard of it cuz I think kashike linked a few tweet from them before
but idrk what it is
novel horizon
If he is not, how can he have LTT channel linked in his profile then? ^^
broken rampart
what's an ltt channel?
novel horizon
You need to login to have linked channel right
broken rampart
do you mean lit channel?
broken rampart
sorry i just want to know who jake is D:
novel horizon
it's tech channel and jake is from there
broken rampart
wtf this guy is stalking me on twitter
viral hornet
who's paul
uncut moss
paul probably knows him lol
cosmic raft
please don't ping people randomly
novel horizon
for what purpose though
ancient bolt
!kick @broken rampart don't be an ass
thorny flickerBOT
:raised_hands: Kicked Paul S.#4943 (don't be an ass) [1 total infraction] -- DenWav#1989.
novel horizon
Yep i expected that
novel horizon
It wasnt random duh 
abstract peak
anyone know how to format hex code with m5_ api?
Neither of these work #61D4DAFish Barrel &#BA80D409
uncut moss
daylight outside before iβve even went to bed gives me anxiety
worn ember
broken rampart
sorry yall, i was being an ass. i know jake but i took it too far there.
novel horizon
It's fine, but people answered you and you still asked etc π€·ββοΈ
heady spear
Thereβs a spider in the kitchen hello someone help me
novel horizon
how can i help you
heady spear
This is why I need a strong man in my life, to protect me from shit like shit
cobalt surge
This is why I need a strong man in my life, to protect me from shit like shit
where is your kashike when you need him
novel horizon
Do you live in australia ?
heady spear
I am in the UK
novel horizon
i hope it's fine then
golden gust
@unreal quarry might wanna get the chains out there
heady spear
This spider is the size of a house
heady spear
Unlike the spider which is huge
golden gust
Wanna know what else is huge?
heady spear
Cat where does one find a hot chav?
golden gust
||My hatred for you||
heady spear
I like skinny men that look like theyβll disrespect me
golden gust
Just find the local council estate
heady spear
Which seems to be every man in the UK tbf
golden gust
Yea, well, you continue prancing around there boy
heady spear
Also why does everyone have a bowl cut?
Didnβt yβall get the memo?
Iβm in some awful part of Leeds and everything smells like weed. Once quarantine is over ima walk around here and find someone to shag me
merry talon
Uhhhhh
heady spear
Thereβs also a weed van that goes by sometimes and plays ice cream truck music π₯΄
Iβm still convinced that the UK is a third world country tbh
golden gust
not far off, tbqh
heady spear
Iβve matched with 100 people on tinder since I got here tho so at least thatβs something
golden gust
City, the way you're planning on riding you'll be needing an oil change by the end of the month
heady spear
I need to make the most of my time here smh
golden gust
You do know when they said explore the UK they meant rolling around on two limbs instead of four?
heady spear
Swedish people are ugly, and British people are hot
golden gust
So, what you're telling me
is that the mental health services in sweden are trash and you're here planning a course of self destruction instead?
merry talon
Swedish people are ugly, and British people are hot
Yeah until they talk
merry talon
oi gonna give ye a proper shaggin m8
vestal jasper
@heady spear π₯Ί
heady spear
I canβt understand people in Yorkshire so Iβll just nod and get on my knees π€·π»ββοΈ
heady spear
oi gonna give ye a proper shaggin m8
Ok but that is really hot tho π΅βπ«
cold hollow
Sorry if this is rude, I'm really new to forums and devs and all that, but is there a rough estimate on when 1.17 paper is released, or is there channel where I can ask this question?
heady spear
<@!378225705282174979> π₯Ί
Sorry I donβt like you anymore because you donβt have a British accent
Iβm over you
swift root
Sorry if this is rude, I'm really new to forums and devs and all that, but is th...
Nope
cold hollow
Dang ok
vestal jasper
ok
cold hollow
Ty for answering
vestal jasper
@heady spear I had someone earlier refuse to believe that i'm not canadian
brave radish
I mean, it's out now. The current builds are probably near stable.
heady spear
Idk just something about you
cold hollow
I kinda mad at canada
vestal jasper
vestal jasper
You should stop that
ok but the alternative is seeming american
swift root
all the qualities of a good one
brave radish
wholesome Larry
vestal jasper
I say sorry when it's the other person's fault so yeah makes sense
cold hollow
The whole 1323 unidentified first nations children that were buried under residential schools thing like really pissed me off
vestal jasper
nah sorry you can't just demand that
heady spear
Being a soy boy doesnβt make you Canadian tho
vestal jasper
at least I don't buy gaudy glasses and bags
heady spear
Hey, I need something to fill the gap where my personality is supposed to be
vestal jasper
true
cold hollow
Here take my stupidity, ion need it no more
heady spear
Thereβs plenty to go around here already, thank you.
cold hollow
Lol
vestal jasper
yeah u contribute to it city
swift root
tf why is everyone so sad and negative and sad
cold hollow
O-π³
swift root
just have ice cream and smile π
heady spear
I wanna go outside
vestal jasper
larry I could throw an egg at someone's house and it'll be fucking COOKED within 24 hours
heady spear
And smell the weed .
swift root
larry I could throw an egg at someone's house and it'll be fucking COOKED within...
real hot here too
like death degrees f
heady spear
But I am stuck indoors with a large ass spider and a girl π₯Ά
vestal jasper
111f / 44c tomorrow
cold hollow
tf why is everyone so sad and negative and sad
Because we are gen z and millennial and broke and suffering from depression and the world is fucked and we're barely crawling out the pandemic and people are racist and people are homophobic and Netflix made a gay superhero show that is supposed to be for pride but it's really homophobic and I can't explain that and rainbow kiss is a thing :)
heady spear
Das gay .
cold hollow
I'm not wrong :D
brave radish
and because Vidan0 just wrote the longest run-on sentence ever
cold hollow
XD
heady spear
Tbh the only happiness I get rn is when strangers call me hot after seeing two pictures of me and then ask I wanna bang
I need to fill this void with something meaningful
cold hollow
SKJDJFKDNBSMFN
heady spear
Like meth
bright pollen
damn
heady spear
@swift root hello do you wanna do meth with me?
cold hollow
But yes frogs too
swift root
<@347959633518002177> hello do you wanna do meth with me?
yes
heady spear
Ok cool
cold hollow
Can I come too
swift root
no
cold hollow
I'll bring chromatica oreos tho
cold hollow
Ahh ok
heady spear
This is one of the saddest milestones of my life Iβm pretty sure
bright pollen
go sleep
cold hollow
I like how I thought this would be like a really serious server but everyone is just depressed and does drugs lol
golden gust
general is generally off topic, we pretend to be serious in the more serious channels
bright pollen
damn shakira still alive?