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tropic flame Jun 22, 2021, 2:18 PM

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you didn't have the full experience then

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should ask for a refund

left swift Jun 22, 2021, 2:18 PM

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I mean it probably works like shit but that's so pleasing to look at from above lol

uncut moss Jun 22, 2021, 2:19 PM

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i drive straight over them pretty often if there's no other cars around just because it's fun

tropic flame Jun 22, 2021, 2:19 PM

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awesome

vernal moth Jun 22, 2021, 2:19 PM

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It's 12 lanes

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Wtf

left swift Jun 22, 2021, 2:19 PM

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The small roundabouts usually the center is lower than normal so larger trucks can still pass

vernal moth Jun 22, 2021, 2:19 PM

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Also the cars on the roundabout have to give way for some reason

next frost Jun 22, 2021, 2:19 PM

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reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPoFx7OeyIU

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extra 3

Realer Irrsinn: Der Oststadtkreisel in Karlsruhe | extra 3 | NDR

Beim Oststadtkreisel in Karlsruhe denkt man im ersten Moment, man ist in einem Kreisverkehr. Das ist es aber nicht ganz, weil es auch eine Kreuzung ist. Ein Meisterwerk kreativer Verkehrsführung.

https://www.ndr.de

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tropic flame Jun 22, 2021, 2:19 PM

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imagine trying to get out from the innermost circle in there

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lord

uncut moss Jun 22, 2021, 2:20 PM

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other drivers are supposed to let you out

unreal quarry Jun 22, 2021, 2:20 PM

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aint that the truth. especially the ones with 2 lane enter/exit points. seen too many accidents because of people's stupidity. like this one some chick (white) hit a motorcyclist (red) https://imgur.com/a/JiUxoW9 and then swore up and down she was in the right. smfh

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ashen cliff Jun 22, 2021, 2:20 PM

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vernal moth It's 12 lanes

Don't worry bro. There are just 9 circles of hell. So once you go that deep, you are in uncharted territory.

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 2:20 PM

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Well, you give way to your right

wide chasm Jun 22, 2021, 2:20 PM

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How many lanes does that roundabout have lol

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 2:20 PM

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or left if you're driving the wrong way around

vernal moth Jun 22, 2021, 2:21 PM

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wide chasm How many lanes does that roundabout have lol

12, 10 too many

left swift Jun 22, 2021, 2:21 PM

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unreal quarry aint that the truth. especially the ones with 2 lane enter/exit points. seen too...

Wait what why didnt she stay in her lane lmfao

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 2:21 PM

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I mean, but there's only like 5-6 cas in each row?

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Or is is just that much of a clusterfuck?

wide chasm Jun 22, 2021, 2:21 PM

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Does it have 12 incoming lanes and 12 lanes on the roundabout lol

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 2:21 PM

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Co, actually, I see lanes in between the jars but people don't look to be sticking into it

unreal quarry Jun 22, 2021, 2:22 PM

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left swift Wait what why didnt she stay in her lane lmfao

low iq, i assume lol here's the vid https://youtu.be/4tc6Lt7RBWg?t=111

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TskTskADV

Accident in Dublin Roundabout

This is why we have gopros in the real world. Not for stunt riding but for making sure liability is correctly placed when a person outright believes they were in the right in an accident. I never got an apology or asked if I was okay, nothing. Just her screeching about being in the correct lane.

She was cited at the scene, at fault by police, a...

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vernal moth Jun 22, 2021, 2:22 PM

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golden gust I mean, but there's only like 5-6 cas in each row?

Until there is a traffic jam

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wide chasm Jun 22, 2021, 2:22 PM

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We have a roundabout here - much smaller, can't drive fast - which has a bus lane going right through the center, so now the roundabout has traffic lights in the middle

vernal moth Jun 22, 2021, 2:22 PM

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We got a roundabout with a tram going thru the middle

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That's a fun one

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Cause suddenly the roundabout has traffic lights

left swift Jun 22, 2021, 2:23 PM

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Some city road designers are just blind

magic river Jun 22, 2021, 2:23 PM

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unreal quarry aint that the truth. especially the ones with 2 lane enter/exit points. seen too...

I don't get it, in the US she would be in the right

vernal moth Jun 22, 2021, 2:23 PM

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Check the lane markings amaranth

magic river Jun 22, 2021, 2:23 PM

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If you want to leave you have to be in the right lane, you can't cut across lanes to leave and expect everyone to give way

vernal moth Jun 22, 2021, 2:23 PM

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Her lane way straight only

uncut moss Jun 22, 2021, 2:23 PM

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here's a bus lane going through one

unreal quarry Jun 22, 2021, 2:23 PM

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both lanes could exit

left swift Jun 22, 2021, 2:23 PM

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magic river I don't get it, in the US she would be in the right

She merged into his lane even though her lane still extends on exit

vernal moth Jun 22, 2021, 2:23 PM

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The bikers lane was straight or left

unreal quarry Jun 22, 2021, 2:24 PM

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right lane is forced exit. left lane is choice to exit or stay on

magic river Jun 22, 2021, 2:24 PM

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Ah

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I don't understand what those markings mean 😛

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Well, I do now

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Because you just explained it

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 2:24 PM

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that car was in the far off lane

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So, yea, the biker could have turned left or carried on, the person who turned was in the wrong

magic river Jun 22, 2021, 2:24 PM

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Was trying to figure out wtf the left lane said you could turn in to the grass in the middle 😛

unreal quarry Jun 22, 2021, 2:25 PM

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lol

wide chasm Jun 22, 2021, 2:25 PM

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Yes, you can, it's a shortcut 🙂

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 2:25 PM

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oh god that just looks like cancer

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But, bus lanes in general...

left swift Jun 22, 2021, 2:25 PM

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Imagine getting hit by a clueless driver then getting screamed at for 20 minutes being called the one in the wrong

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 2:26 PM

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We had one in my home town which used to get a lot of people as it just like rando changes half way down the road and wasn't marked all too well

magic river Jun 22, 2021, 2:26 PM

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Sounds like normal driving in the US

uncut moss Jun 22, 2021, 2:26 PM

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happened to me when somebody pulled out from a parking space on the side of the road almost into me

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 2:26 PM

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I watched some vid other day, and basically it goes over the joys of differences in driving and such

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over in the EU with our public transport networks, driving ain't really essential unless you're living in basically nowheresville

magic river Jun 22, 2021, 2:27 PM

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I've never actually seen a roundabout with more than 1 lane

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 2:27 PM

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Whareas in the US it's more of an essential and so it's sorta like, "you've got to" and that generally extends into the learning and such being more lax/forgiving

magic river Jun 22, 2021, 2:27 PM

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Hell I think only one of those exists within hours of driving from here too

uncut moss Jun 22, 2021, 2:28 PM

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2 lanes is really common here, more than that isn't

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 2:28 PM

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I mean, we use roundabouts quite a bit so it generally depends on where you are

left swift Jun 22, 2021, 2:28 PM

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2 lanes can be pretty reasonable like the one Billy posted just needs to have a drivers using it with more than 5 braincells

wide chasm Jun 22, 2021, 2:28 PM

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My favorite highway here has a roundabout, floating above a two lane highway horizontal at the bottom, with two lane highway vertical above the roundabout, with the roundabout itself being two lanes.

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 2:28 PM

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Many T junctions over the years have been turned into roundabouts as they let traffic flow a bit better

wide chasm Jun 22, 2021, 2:29 PM

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The roundabout itself also has traffic lights at the entry points

uncut moss Jun 22, 2021, 2:29 PM

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there's one just outside my house with a traffic light at an exit point

left swift Jun 22, 2021, 2:30 PM

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At the exit?

wide chasm Jun 22, 2021, 2:30 PM

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lol

uncut moss Jun 22, 2021, 2:30 PM

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yeah

left swift Jun 22, 2021, 2:30 PM

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Do people just have to keep going in circles if they cant get into the exit lane loo

wide chasm Jun 22, 2021, 2:30 PM

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This roundabout does have a traffic light at an exit, but that's only active in case of traffic jams

uncut moss Jun 22, 2021, 2:30 PM

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the traffic light is just after the exit and only turns red if there's a pedestrian who has pressed the walk button

wispy blade Jun 22, 2021, 2:30 PM

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pog my psu is on its way

magic river Jun 22, 2021, 2:30 PM

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oof https://travisdowns.github.io/blog/2021/06/17/rip-zero-opt.html

Performance Matters

Your CPU May Have Slowed Down on Wednesday

The death of hardware store optimization.

uncut moss Jun 22, 2021, 2:31 PM

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if there's a lot of traffic it'll just jam up if somebody wants to walk there

left swift Jun 22, 2021, 2:32 PM

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Just camp the light button and press it everytime traffic gets busy Trololol

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 2:32 PM

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This is part of why i think the arm post is also comical

magic river Jun 22, 2021, 2:33 PM

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Intel CPUs get even slower thanks to another speculative execution exploit

wispy blade Jun 22, 2021, 2:33 PM

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yay

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more slow school laptop

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 2:33 PM

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Many of the big optimizations in x86 CPUs are being killed because of the constant vulnerabilities exposed

wispy blade Jun 22, 2021, 2:39 PM

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oh yes

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traffic jam on roundabout lesgo

hollow viper Jun 22, 2021, 2:40 PM

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I have a dumb question

left swift Jun 22, 2021, 2:40 PM

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I have a dumb answer

wispy blade Jun 22, 2021, 2:41 PM

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no, mana

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you are the dumb answer

left swift Jun 22, 2021, 2:41 PM

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Yes

hollow viper Jun 22, 2021, 2:41 PM

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Is it possible for a old program, that uses lets say java, be so old that the newer versions of java don't suport it anymore

wispy blade Jun 22, 2021, 2:41 PM

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yes

hollow viper Jun 22, 2021, 2:41 PM

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And if so what is the cut-off point

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I know that one update difference ist that bad

wispy blade Jun 22, 2021, 2:42 PM

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dunno, try it

hollow viper Jun 22, 2021, 2:42 PM

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Yea no

floral mesa Jun 22, 2021, 2:42 PM

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jumping between jvm versions does not guarantee the program will work.

hollow viper Jun 22, 2021, 2:42 PM

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Im just curious

floral mesa Jun 22, 2021, 2:42 PM

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such as jdk8->11 may break things

left swift Jun 22, 2021, 2:42 PM

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There could be a fart in the newer version and the old one had a sensitive nose so it doesnt like it

hollow viper Jun 22, 2021, 2:42 PM

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Lol

floral mesa Jun 22, 2021, 2:43 PM

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one of the many reasons you can side load older versions

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 2:43 PM

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java is backwards compatible when using stuff which is actually supported

quartz merlin Jun 22, 2021, 2:43 PM

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kernel crashes 😦

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 2:43 PM

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however, stuff using unsupported things, e.g. reflecting into internals, that promise goes out of the window

hollow viper Jun 22, 2021, 2:43 PM

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Im mostly asking cause i have a program (i swear its not pirated) thats abandonware at this point

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And im curious if itll break eventually

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 2:44 PM

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as well as varying things like workarounds for JRE bugs causing issues too, but, that's sooomewhat rare

floral mesa Jun 22, 2021, 2:44 PM

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I would suggest isolating the application if java updates do break it at some point. either via vm or containers

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or just keep the old version of java installed

hollow viper Jun 22, 2021, 2:45 PM

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Its not dependent on java

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I mean its just a folder with the program that i put in the c drive and open it through the exe

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It works without java too so idk what it relies on

floral mesa Jun 22, 2021, 2:47 PM

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then does it use java at all for anything or not?

hollow viper Jun 22, 2021, 2:47 PM

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Idk

floral mesa Jun 22, 2021, 2:48 PM

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java doesnt do exe files unless its a shim, but given the info, it sounds like a normal executable for windows.

hollow viper Jun 22, 2021, 2:48 PM

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I guess the question is do windows undated have the potential to break it

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 2:48 PM

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Theoretically yes

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practically, there are apps from windows 95 which still works in 10 because microsoft refuses to break backwards compat

floral mesa Jun 22, 2021, 2:49 PM

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Windows does try to maintain compatibility, but it really depends on how shitty the code is.

hollow viper Jun 22, 2021, 2:49 PM

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Should mention i had it on 8 than moved it to 10 and only thing that broke was the double click

wispy blade Jun 22, 2021, 2:49 PM

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floral mesa Windows does try to maintain compatibility, but it really depends on how shitty ...

then why do my 16 bit apps not work!!!!! 😡

floral mesa Jun 22, 2021, 2:49 PM

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there have been games I own that do not like anything post-Win7

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oh right, NTVDM was removed in 64 bit versions of windows.

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 2:51 PM

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games are generally in a bit of a murky territory as they more often rely on stuff like drivers for GPUs more than they do windows system calls

hollow viper Jun 22, 2021, 2:51 PM

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Well sadly i cant really use theat program anyway cause it started double clicking my graphic tablet after a Windows update

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 2:52 PM

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oh god

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I remember tryna get my grandfathers laptop to work with windows XP

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was a PITA and I went through many CDs tryna get the SATA drivers slipstreamed on there properly

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BSoDs are FUN to diagnose early on in the install process too!

hollow viper Jun 22, 2021, 2:52 PM

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An it guy was fixing my aunt laptop and he slapped win 7 on it and it didn't work

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 2:53 PM

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IT guy

green turret Jun 22, 2021, 2:53 PM

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If you want that experience today, just try to set up a Hackintosh

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 2:53 PM

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being frank, most people I see working on IT really just fucking shouldn't be working in IT

hollow viper Jun 22, 2021, 2:53 PM

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The laptop had 10 before and the files that were kept were crashing it

hollow viper Jun 22, 2021, 2:53 PM

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golden gust being frank, most people I see working on IT really just fucking shouldn't be wo...

Agreed

green turret Jun 22, 2021, 2:54 PM

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I just updated some of the things I don't understand and then the whole thing wouldn't boot. Had to dig around for old files in weird terminals to recover D:

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 2:54 PM

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part of why I just got a mac

hollow viper Jun 22, 2021, 2:54 PM

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It took me 5 min of Google to figure out what he did and start fixing it

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 2:54 PM

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I really love macOS and running a hackintosh kinda convinced me to do the jump

green turret Jun 22, 2021, 2:54 PM

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Yeah me too. I just can't really justify the expense 😦

hollow viper Jun 22, 2021, 2:55 PM

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I persona can't stand mac

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 2:55 PM

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Like, am far past the days where I could throw away a whole day to reinstalling the OS(es) on my PC in order to get shit done again

green turret Jun 22, 2021, 2:55 PM

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Ahahahaha

hollow viper Jun 22, 2021, 2:55 PM

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Apple in general but i gotta use mac at uni and it suuucks

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 2:55 PM

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Like, linux is nice but for day to day stuff, I find myself just fucking around with it too much and breaking it often

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e.g. gotta do some thing so you install some crap which ends up unpinning something because outdated version or whatever and next update your system borks itself

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it's not as fragile these days but holy damn did that shit used to suck

green turret Jun 22, 2021, 2:56 PM

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I used to reinstall Windows XP once a month or something like that. Particularly because I had this registry hacking tool for Red Alert that was shareware and expired after 20 uses and I didn't know how to crack it (and I was young without a job and with pretty much no means of buying it because this was before online transactions and my parents would not allow me to send mail out of the country to order stuff).

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 2:56 PM

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I remember when apache 2.6 came out and just obliterated all of my shit

green turret Jun 22, 2021, 2:56 PM

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Was pretty fun to make grenadiers throw V2 rockets though.

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 2:57 PM

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god, I never played C&C all that much because by the time I finally got a computer I was working stupid hours

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But, damn, do I kinda miss it

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I remember playing BF2 with some mates across the pond too

untold copper Jun 22, 2021, 2:58 PM

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day #16 of trying to get abs: Normal cardio workout

frank otter Jun 22, 2021, 2:58 PM

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How's it going

green turret Jun 22, 2021, 2:58 PM

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Yeah I never really got the hang of desktop Linux. There's always something. Like oh, my monitor doesn't have the right resolution, or dual monitor stuff it always picks the wrong one regardless of which ports I use for which monitor. Solution: just fuck around with some random ass config-files and it'll work for now. If you move those ports around, you have to reinstall everything because why the hell not.

untold copper Jun 22, 2021, 2:58 PM

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frank otter How's it going

who me?

frank otter Jun 22, 2021, 2:58 PM

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Yep

untold copper Jun 22, 2021, 2:59 PM

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Pretty good actually

tropic flame Jun 22, 2021, 2:59 PM

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I have this game that needs 3 CDs to be installed, at some point the installation just hangs at 83% and I have to resort to sailing on the seven seas to get a working copy

mental meadow Jun 22, 2021, 2:59 PM

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snoopa you should get a twitter

frank otter Jun 22, 2021, 2:59 PM

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snoopa gonna be ripped

tropic flame Jun 22, 2021, 2:59 PM

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but it worked fine on Windows XP

untold copper Jun 22, 2021, 2:59 PM

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I don't see any physical changes (obviously) but I'm eating a lot (BECAUSE IM 15 OK) and I sleep extremely well

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 2:59 PM

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it's the PITA of windows

untold copper Jun 22, 2021, 2:59 PM

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mental meadow snoopa you should get a twitter

lol no

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 2:59 PM

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Like, they go backwards ass over compat to the fact that they hamper the OS

green turret Jun 22, 2021, 2:59 PM

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And then even if you get the flipping monitors to work, it does this weird thing during the startup process, like the entire screen just turns into artifacts for a second and then the desktop appears. Like, why does it do that. Why has no one made it so that that never happens. Why does no one care about something like that.

frank otter Jun 22, 2021, 2:59 PM

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I'm 15 and sleep badly and dont eat enough

untold copper Jun 22, 2021, 2:59 PM

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I did cardio with weights today

untold copper Jun 22, 2021, 3:00 PM

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frank otter I'm 15 and sleep badly and dont eat enough

sed

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 3:00 PM

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But, when it comes to games and rando stupid shit like installers, they often o stupid crap for DRM or to squeeze out those frames so that compat breaks anyways

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~~gotta get that ring 0 DRM am i rite~~

tropic flame Jun 22, 2021, 3:00 PM

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mmmyes StarForce DRM

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awesome

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just completely ruins your system

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but muh profits

green turret Jun 22, 2021, 3:00 PM

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Which Mac are you running Cat?

untold copper Jun 22, 2021, 3:01 PM

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today was basically: 9:00 - 2:00 classes, 3:00 - 7:00 study, 7:30 - 8:15 exercise

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epic day

frail willow Jun 22, 2021, 3:01 PM

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I haven't finished the day, its 11am

untold copper Jun 22, 2021, 3:01 PM

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8:30pm here

green turret Jun 22, 2021, 3:01 PM

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5 PM here!

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 3:01 PM

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left swift Jun 22, 2021, 3:01 PM

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15m exercise?

frail willow Jun 22, 2021, 3:01 PM

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Nice imac

untold copper Jun 22, 2021, 3:01 PM

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left swift 15m exercise?

30 min

left swift Jun 22, 2021, 3:02 PM

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Nvm I see

green turret Jun 22, 2021, 3:02 PM

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Startup Disk Catalina on Big Sur xD

frail willow Jun 22, 2021, 3:02 PM

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LUL

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 3:02 PM

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Yea, I installed catalina into a new volume and kept the one before that on another volume because 32 bit

tropic flame Jun 22, 2021, 3:02 PM

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macOS Big Sus

green turret Jun 22, 2021, 3:02 PM

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Is it an iMac? I didn't think they had graphics cards like that.

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 3:02 PM

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yea

upper flicker Jun 22, 2021, 3:02 PM

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The 27”s all do

green turret Jun 22, 2021, 3:03 PM

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Ah neat

upper flicker Jun 22, 2021, 3:03 PM

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(For now)

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 3:03 PM

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gotta drive that 5k panel

green turret Jun 22, 2021, 3:03 PM

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I always thought iMacs were like the "pretty office computer that will melt if exercised"

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 3:03 PM

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they completely bastardized the GPU for it too

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It's not a great GPU, but, it works okay enough for games

upper flicker Jun 22, 2021, 3:03 PM

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afaik the panel is still driven as two separate displays internally

green turret Jun 22, 2021, 3:04 PM

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Oh damn

upper flicker Jun 22, 2021, 3:04 PM

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so it’s all kinda of wonk

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most of the high res UWP monitors have to do the same though

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 3:04 PM

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apparently they did some weird ass shit for clocking as it wasn't supported

upper flicker Jun 22, 2021, 3:04 PM

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Just too many pixels

green turret Jun 22, 2021, 3:05 PM

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Is the whole ARMs race (ehehe) gonna work out, you think? I have been thinking about a Mac Mini if my desktop drops, but the current landscape seems a bit unstable.

upper flicker Jun 22, 2021, 3:05 PM

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I’ve always liked ARM before so a bit biased

green turret Jun 22, 2021, 3:05 PM

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I mean PowerPC to Intel was fine, eventually. Betting on Intel back then was fine.

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But Intel to ARM seems like a much different story.

upper flicker Jun 22, 2021, 3:05 PM

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but they’ve done a good job with performance/watt and software compat is surprisingly good with their compatibility layer

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and apple being apple, I have few doubts the ecosystem will move with them

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They’ve always had great control over it, probably because most apps break every couple versions anyway

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 3:07 PM

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yea, that's the thing with apple is that they have control over the entire ecosystem so forcing changes on us is pretty trivial

upper flicker Jun 22, 2021, 3:07 PM

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Would like to see windows get their arm act together too but qualcomm isn’t exactly doing amazing atm either

green turret Jun 22, 2021, 3:07 PM

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Hmm, yeah so my worry with the whole thing is mostly whether or not the software landscape will fragment, but I guess ARM is very popular nowadays independent of Apple's shift. So it's probably fine.

left swift Jun 22, 2021, 3:07 PM

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golden gust It's not a great GPU, but, it works okay enough for games

If the game is 3d chess or solitare it's perfect

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 3:07 PM

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I worry about gaming but being frank, bar a few sessions a year, I don't really chill down all too much (gotta get better at that)

upper flicker Jun 22, 2021, 3:07 PM

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They’ve made it very easy to ship a package with both binaries in it using their tools

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 3:08 PM

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I play GTA 5 pretty decently considering

upper flicker Jun 22, 2021, 3:08 PM

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so most software that is actively supported should be fine

left swift Jun 22, 2021, 3:08 PM

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But what games do u play cat

upper flicker Jun 22, 2021, 3:08 PM

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legacy stuff - pffft good luck. Same story as always on macs though

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 3:08 PM

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GTA 5, xplane, eerrrr...

left swift Jun 22, 2021, 3:09 PM

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Minecraft maybe

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 3:09 PM

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Like, my attention span is questioanbly scary, some times I'll spin up GTA 5 and play for hours, but, I won't touch it for months

upper flicker Jun 22, 2021, 3:09 PM

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Impressed you can sanely run gta v on that

green turret Jun 22, 2021, 3:09 PM

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Ah, right, I meant more with after the transition. Like, will we see more "macOS only" or "Windows/Linux only" software splits because supporting more architectures is more work?

upper flicker Jun 22, 2021, 3:09 PM

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I’ve never tried

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 3:09 PM

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MC I've tried playing a few games but, eer...

left swift Jun 22, 2021, 3:09 PM

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Cat is a 2b2t player at heart

upper flicker Jun 22, 2021, 3:10 PM

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Linux utility type software was already doing okay in the arm compat space

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so I think it’ll be fine there

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 3:10 PM

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I play it for a day or two, get busy with something else, come back to my world and lose track of where I was or what I was doing, create a new world, CBA doing it all again and just, eeer...

upper flicker Jun 22, 2021, 3:10 PM

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windows stuff is 50/50 I suppose

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Who knows

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 3:10 PM

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I mean, code generally doesn't give a shit about the architecture unless you're getting pretty low level

upper flicker Jun 22, 2021, 3:10 PM

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Most Mac devs I know don’t wanna touch windows or vs though, and most windows devs don’t wanna touch macOS

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So I’m not sure a ton has changed

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 3:10 PM

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Like, platform stuff is generally platform stuff which is where the general divide is, as Z said

upper flicker Jun 22, 2021, 3:10 PM

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The players big enough to have customer pools in both will - because that’s their money

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 3:11 PM

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getting games on macOS is generally interesting because no directX

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Theres vulkan which was set to bridge that with a cross platform solution but hahahahahaaaa

upper flicker Jun 22, 2021, 3:11 PM

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MoltenVK is fairly decent but still not a drop in shim like I think a lot of people want

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 3:11 PM

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theres openGL too but apple stopped updating it on macOS

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(and, it never really gained all to much traction on windows outside of mostly open source stuff afaik)

upper flicker Jun 22, 2021, 3:12 PM

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but yeah - outside of some casual stuff gaming on macs is still not in a great spot. Wasn’t before, won’t be after

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which is probably fine

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steam could theoretically bring proton to macOS when moltenvk gets where they want it - and some other libs

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But I don’t see them doing that

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Trading one locked down platform (win) for one even more locked down? Seems unlikely

green turret Jun 22, 2021, 3:13 PM

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I guess compilers in the "lower level space" are all pretty good at cross-compilation nowadays anyway. It's not like you have to worry too much about writing Intel-specific code anymore, you just set a flag at compile time. No one really writes "high abstraction" software for specific architectures on general purpose machines anymore. It's all embedded where abstractions are too expensive, or it's higher level general purpose stuff where you don't have to worry about it.

upper flicker Jun 22, 2021, 3:14 PM

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Linux is in a better place for gaming as a result of valve and proton than macOS is, and I wouldn’t expect that to change

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 3:14 PM

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hardware side of macOS is pretty weird too

left swift Jun 22, 2021, 3:14 PM

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Feels like you would save breath by saying what macOS does right cat

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 3:14 PM

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Like, the hardware is decent considering their general target market but if you wanna game with good frames you really need an eGPU which is kinda costly and combersome and you've still gotta deal with stuff like bootcamp so people sorta seemingly lean to just getting a headless windows machine or a gaming corner

upper flicker Jun 22, 2021, 3:15 PM

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So far all the arm systems don’t have a dedicated gpu either, will be interested to see if they change that or just dump moar gpu cores on it

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and they dropped all egpu support

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 3:15 PM

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I think that gaming on macOS will pretty much always be somewhat of a joke unless the arm takeover happens

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and I think everybody is getting fed up of intel so who really knows

upper flicker Jun 22, 2021, 3:16 PM

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Macs weren’t a gaming platform before, they won’t be after - not why anyone I know buys them anyway

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 3:16 PM

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But, we need a more competent "not apple" arm CPU before that huge switch-over happens anyways

upper flicker Jun 22, 2021, 3:16 PM

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Linux on ARM is pretty good though, because of all the embedded and server history

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Certainly doing better than windows atm

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 3:17 PM

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I know MS where interested in creating their own ARM chip, but, eerm... We'll see where that goes...

green turret Jun 22, 2021, 3:17 PM

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Yeah my Hackintosh setup is really just a Windows setup for casual gaming and then macOS so I don't have to deal with Windows for development.

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 3:17 PM

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Yea, I mean, linux has a track history of being great with cross platform stuff anyways, especially when stuff actually gain traction to be adopted by the wider community

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There are probs dozens of architectures the linux kernel can be compiled for and work amazingly but just doesn't have much of a community behind it for pre-existing tooling to be large for it

upper flicker Jun 22, 2021, 3:18 PM

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Linux has the history and need. Apple has the overwhelming control. Microsoft has … “it’d be cool”

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And that’s probably the issue

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 3:18 PM

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only a handful of the architectures has large distros behind it

green turret Jun 22, 2021, 3:18 PM

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I tried gaming on macOS, and it works okay for some games, but it's so wonky or straight up incompatible for other stuff. And my hardware is far from optimal, so I'm struggling doubly so because hardware struggles and macOS gaming just seems to be slow by definition.

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 3:18 PM

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big thing with MS is that they fucking love their backwards compat

upper flicker Jun 22, 2021, 3:19 PM

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they didn’t even have working x64 compat until a few months ago

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not big on backwards compat for arm apparently zmlaugh

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 3:19 PM

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last I saw their arm windows releases where generally fairly limited towards the windows store and UWP apps rather than wanting to provie a "full" desktop experience but that might have just been a case of RT, I don't track what they're doing too well

green turret Jun 22, 2021, 3:19 PM

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They probably consider it forwards compatibility, and they don't know what that is because they're so backwards.

untold copper Jun 22, 2021, 3:19 PM

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oh are we making fun of apple?

upper flicker Jun 22, 2021, 3:20 PM

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Mostly we’re making fun of MS at the moment

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We’ll probably loop back around though

untold copper Jun 22, 2021, 3:20 PM

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data privacy

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lets do that shit

upper flicker Jun 22, 2021, 3:20 PM

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golden gust last I saw their arm windows releases where generally fairly limited towards the...

They are now doing the apple thing where they want a full desktop with x86-64 compat

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but it’s clear it’s not a focus

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 3:21 PM

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I think a good chunk of "we'll see" with MS is if they actually get their chips out

upper flicker Jun 22, 2021, 3:21 PM

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in fairness, with the stuff Qualcomm and others keeps making, why would it be

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 3:21 PM

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Like, the current ARM CPUs in windows machines are often pretty much

upper flicker Jun 22, 2021, 3:21 PM

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garbage

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yes

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 3:22 PM

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I mean, it's annoying that there really isn't any other big venders out there, but, I mean, everybody seems to be getting into arm, even intel

wispy blade Jun 22, 2021, 3:30 PM

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hoo boy

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wait what the fuck

green turret Jun 22, 2021, 3:31 PM

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is this a virus

wispy blade Jun 22, 2021, 3:31 PM

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no it's some videos

green turret Jun 22, 2021, 3:31 PM

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It's a virus!

tropic flame Jun 22, 2021, 3:33 PM

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CSGO surely is

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CS Source better /s

wispy blade Jun 22, 2021, 3:34 PM

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for bhop yes

upper flicker Jun 22, 2021, 3:35 PM

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they added BR to csgo - it was better back in my day

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Pretty sure it only brought players back for a few weeks before they left again too

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 3:36 PM

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I mean, even COD added a BR mode

magic river Jun 22, 2021, 3:36 PM

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Some day we'll have a decent GL stack on macOS via zink + moltenvk/gfx-portability + metal

upper flicker Jun 22, 2021, 3:36 PM

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cod is not the bar!!!!!!

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 3:37 PM

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then again, cod is and practically always will be the FIFA of shooting people

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I just don't get COD and FIFA

magic river Jun 22, 2021, 3:38 PM

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Oh yeah, there is some work to get gallium9 running on top of the zink backend too

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 3:38 PM

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They're two games which every release people complain gets worse and repetative or they did stupid small stuff and slapped a $60 price tag on it and people still queue up for them

magic river Jun 22, 2021, 3:39 PM

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You'd probably still be better off with DXVK though

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 3:40 PM

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nothing like an a folder

lyric hinge Jun 22, 2021, 3:42 PM

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https://i.jaywilliams.me/gMVnMDCX6.png

wispy blade Jun 22, 2021, 3:46 PM

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i am the best video editor in town

untold copper Jun 22, 2021, 3:48 PM

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gg

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i guess

wispy blade Jun 22, 2021, 3:48 PM

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what's that? you've never seen something this beautiful? 👂

untold copper Jun 22, 2021, 3:49 PM

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how big is a town

drowsy spruce Jun 22, 2021, 3:50 PM

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I've never seen something this cra...
I mean this beautiful before

wispy blade Jun 22, 2021, 3:54 PM

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exactly bro.

cosmic raft Jun 22, 2021, 3:56 PM

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wispy blade i am the best video editor in town

neat

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take my photo

drowsy spruce Jun 22, 2021, 3:57 PM

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wispy blade exactly bro.

Dont keep up the work tho pretty sure its tiring for you

wispy blade Jun 22, 2021, 3:58 PM

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nah the idea of this video project was to make it wacky af lol

untold copper Jun 22, 2021, 3:58 PM

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how big is a town

drowsy spruce Jun 22, 2021, 3:58 PM

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Lmao

nova plume Jun 22, 2021, 3:58 PM

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untold copper how big is a town

Smaller than a city

drowsy spruce Jun 22, 2021, 3:58 PM

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untold copper how big is a town

Its dumpolampogangous

untold copper Jun 22, 2021, 3:58 PM

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nova plume Smaller than a city

like, slightly smaller?

nova plume Jun 22, 2021, 3:58 PM

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Way smaller

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Then u have villages

untold copper Jun 22, 2021, 3:59 PM

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I see

nova plume Jun 22, 2021, 3:59 PM

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thinksmart

wispy blade Jun 22, 2021, 3:59 PM

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cosmic raft take my photo

aight coming over

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need you to pay for the plane ticket tho kekw

meager tusk Jun 22, 2021, 4:05 PM

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wispy blade what's that? you've never seen something this beautiful? 👂

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

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For example, 🇦🇱 is the best flag ever.

peak atlas Jun 22, 2021, 4:07 PM

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wait so how do we know when paper is fully ready? Just gotta look out for an announcement?

wispy blade Jun 22, 2021, 4:08 PM

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meager tusk For example, 🇦🇱 is the best flag ever.

Fact bro!

vernal moth Jun 22, 2021, 4:28 PM

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peak atlas wait so how do we know when paper is fully ready? Just gotta look out for an ann...

Just test for yourself, we can't make any guarantees

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Waiting for 1.17.1 will be a good bet

potent fossil Jun 22, 2021, 4:30 PM

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Well that was a bittersweet blog post <3

morning peeps

peak atlas Jun 22, 2021, 4:33 PM

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vernal moth Just test for yourself, we can't make any guarantees

Alright, thanks!

warm anchor Jun 22, 2021, 4:36 PM

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wispy blade i am the best video editor in town

why do you have umbrella inside when its sunny out?

nova goblet Jun 22, 2021, 4:42 PM

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is there a way to use the new proximity chat mod with paper?

warm anchor Jun 22, 2021, 4:45 PM

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What's your "new proximity chat mod" there are like half a dozen

nova goblet Jun 22, 2021, 4:46 PM

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the ones being used on things like hermit craft

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and empires SMP

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 4:46 PM

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the notation of "mod" generally means no

tribal rivet Jun 22, 2021, 4:47 PM

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hermitcraft runs on fabric

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so probably would be extremely hard or inconvinient

nova goblet Jun 22, 2021, 4:47 PM

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so would i have to move my server to fabric? or is there a proximity voice that i can use on fabric?

tribal rivet Jun 22, 2021, 4:47 PM

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most likely

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sadly the performance gap between fabric + optimization mods and paper is still quite big

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so public server would probably be a bad idea

nova goblet Jun 22, 2021, 4:48 PM

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its a private server

tribal rivet Jun 22, 2021, 4:48 PM

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then shouldn't be an issue

nova goblet Jun 22, 2021, 4:49 PM

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so would paper be bette?

tribal rivet Jun 22, 2021, 4:49 PM

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you use what suits you the best

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your definition of "better" is your own

nova goblet Jun 22, 2021, 4:49 PM

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fair

twin lagoon Jun 22, 2021, 4:50 PM

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@warm anchor AYAYA

warm anchor Jun 22, 2021, 4:50 PM

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twin lagoon <@!177150983258767360> <:AYAYA:802527009837678592>

AYAYARie

wispy blade Jun 22, 2021, 4:55 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toZW65rksYY

YouTube

Call_Me_Sullyyy

borgir™

original: @the__li on tiktok

this is why I’m team abdu rozik, forgive me hasbullah 🙏🙏

▶ Play video

potent fossil Jun 22, 2021, 5:08 PM

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Not really feeling class right now but meh

ashen cliff Jun 22, 2021, 5:09 PM

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Apply [redacted] 30 to the problem.

potent fossil Jun 22, 2021, 5:13 PM

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👀

cyan canyon Jun 22, 2021, 5:17 PM

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where to set seed in version 1.17 ?

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in server.properties it is not

brave radish Jun 22, 2021, 5:18 PM

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same place in server.properties, just add the line yourself

cyan canyon Jun 22, 2021, 5:19 PM

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ah

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okej

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thx

ancient bolt Jun 22, 2021, 5:25 PM

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Lowest price I've seen in a while but still $100 overpriced. Nearly fooled me though https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16819113663

royal kernel Jun 22, 2021, 5:30 PM

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You need VIP to join Hypixel now thinking_gun

fallen oracle Jun 22, 2021, 5:30 PM

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Because it's not fully open yet.

ashen cliff Jun 22, 2021, 5:31 PM

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royal kernel You need VIP to join Hypixel now <:thinking_gun:522231526570852370>

Buy VIP.

royal kernel Jun 22, 2021, 5:31 PM

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No way BRO

ashen cliff Jun 22, 2021, 5:31 PM

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Good.

twin lagoon Jun 22, 2021, 5:37 PM

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https://www.backblaze.com/blog/the-rebrand-reveal/

Backblaze Blog | Cloud Storage & Cloud Backup

Nick Tran

Backblaze's New Brand Look

This rebrand covers a number of subtle and not-so-subtle changes. Take a look behind the scenes to discover the how and why.

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well that's a fucking downgrade

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lmao

ashen cliff Jun 22, 2021, 5:38 PM

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Good thing almost no one uses them. kekwhyper

worn ember Jun 22, 2021, 5:43 PM

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Never heard of them

broken rampart Jun 22, 2021, 5:45 PM

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ancient bolt Lowest price I've seen in a while but still $100 overpriced. Nearly fooled me th...

It was msrp on Amazon 12 hours ago, I added to cart then removed as I realized I didn't need it haha

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i see them fairly often at microcenter too, which is a good indicator of stock getting better

marble lark Jun 22, 2021, 5:46 PM

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royal kernel You need VIP to join Hypixel now <:thinking_gun:522231526570852370>

i think that's just the queue thing when the server is overloaded no?

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can't tell either way I just got falsebanned for the second time lmao

wispy blade Jun 22, 2021, 5:47 PM

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me, who got free vip from a friend

marble lark Jun 22, 2021, 5:47 PM

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every one of my friends got VIP for free from someone else

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and then there's me being a non

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*Cries in loneliness

wispy blade Jun 22, 2021, 5:48 PM

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xd

true canyon Jun 22, 2021, 5:48 PM

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April fools came early for backblaze?

marble lark Jun 22, 2021, 5:48 PM

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wut

wispy blade Jun 22, 2021, 5:48 PM

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came late mbax

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it's june already

marble lark Jun 22, 2021, 5:49 PM

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kek

olive marlin Jun 22, 2021, 5:50 PM

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Isn't logo exactly the same, just a bit more saturated?

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Yeah.

marble lark Jun 22, 2021, 5:51 PM

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both look fine to me lol

olive marlin Jun 22, 2021, 5:51 PM

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Looks the same.

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New font and color on the name.

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I'm not a fan of such overly saturated website though.

potent fossil Jun 22, 2021, 5:54 PM

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Doesn't DenWav work for backblaze

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(not that its related just curious)

cosmic raft Jun 22, 2021, 5:56 PM

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movie time again, got distracted yesterday

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https://i.imgur.com/HsJLFxU.png

Imgur

potent fossil Jun 22, 2021, 5:56 PM

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i love the twilight movies tbh

cosmic raft Jun 22, 2021, 5:56 PM

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me too

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they're terrible

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but i love them

potent fossil Jun 22, 2021, 5:56 PM

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yea lmao

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 5:56 PM

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oh god

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I watched a few of them on a nokia E63 or something

cosmic raft Jun 22, 2021, 5:56 PM

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back in 1893?

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 5:56 PM

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Yes.

wispy blade Jun 22, 2021, 5:57 PM

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cat IRL back to the future

cosmic raft Jun 22, 2021, 5:57 PM

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cat is ancient

olive marlin Jun 22, 2021, 5:58 PM

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potent fossil Doesn't DenWav work for backblaze

Yes.

worn ember Jun 22, 2021, 6:09 PM

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the font is ugly tho

void void Jun 22, 2021, 6:11 PM

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@faint crystal permission files

olive marlin Jun 22, 2021, 6:49 PM

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TIL: Axolotls bit parts of of other axolotls.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uooR4293p_4

ashen cliff Jun 22, 2021, 6:57 PM

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Listening to this with ok headphones... damn.

balmy hull Jun 22, 2021, 7:15 PM

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am i good to update yet? has anyone else had problems updating to 1.17?

waxen panther Jun 22, 2021, 7:15 PM

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wait for 1.17.1

half pewter Jun 22, 2021, 7:15 PM

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i haven't updated to 1.17 yet, waiting for stable builds for my own servers

waxen panther Jun 22, 2021, 7:15 PM

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or take regular backups

brave radish Jun 22, 2021, 7:16 PM

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both

balmy hull Jun 22, 2021, 7:16 PM

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i backup every hour, is that "regular"

half pewter Jun 22, 2021, 7:16 PM

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depends how much progress you want to be sure not to lose 😎

void void Jun 22, 2021, 7:22 PM

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minecraft crystal hvh 1v1 anyone??

full rune Jun 22, 2021, 7:31 PM

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no

void void Jun 22, 2021, 7:37 PM

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wide chasm Jun 22, 2021, 7:39 PM

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Not wrong, but in #gifs-and-memes please

frank otter Jun 22, 2021, 8:06 PM

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what's double brace initialization

unreal quarry Jun 22, 2021, 8:09 PM

#

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runs away

ancient bolt Jun 22, 2021, 8:10 PM

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well we're on Java 16 now so you can just do List.of()

next frost Jun 22, 2021, 8:10 PM

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wonderful

ancient bolt Jun 22, 2021, 8:11 PM

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also doesn't minecraft have guava? so you could do ImmutableList.of() even in java 8

next frost Jun 22, 2021, 8:11 PM

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^

ancient bolt Jun 22, 2021, 8:11 PM

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tru lol

quasi valley Jun 22, 2021, 8:12 PM

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didn't know nms had a mobs.ravager.griefable-blocks config option kappapride

next frost Jun 22, 2021, 8:12 PM

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That doesn't look like decompiled code

runic drum Jun 22, 2021, 8:13 PM

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all not-stupid plugins work fine in 1.17, good job, Paper!

unreal quarry Jun 22, 2021, 8:14 PM

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its beautiful, what you talking about

paper pagoda Jun 22, 2021, 8:15 PM

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java 16 is based

true canyon Jun 22, 2021, 8:16 PM

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wat

paper pagoda Jun 22, 2021, 8:16 PM

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yeah there is on ubuntu

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and on OLinux/centos

true canyon Jun 22, 2021, 8:16 PM

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https://adoptopenjdk.net/

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What OS?

paper pagoda Jun 22, 2021, 8:17 PM

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installed it fairly easily on my ubuntu focal

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sudo apt search jdk

true canyon Jun 22, 2021, 8:17 PM

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Er, looks like it's on there - https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/openjdk-16-jre

paper pagoda Jun 22, 2021, 8:18 PM

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find the one that has 16 in it

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like that one

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and get the headless version

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unless you are on a desktop

true canyon Jun 22, 2021, 8:18 PM

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sudo apt install openjdk-16-jre should do it, Akip.

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That's how to manually install it. Nice and simple, handful of steps.

paper pagoda Jun 22, 2021, 8:21 PM

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and lets you maintain your other versions of java

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PATH is the list of folders ur computer searches through when u ask it to start a program

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you type java on the command line

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it has to go find java

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PATH is where it looks

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each entry in the list is separated by :

unreal quarry Jun 22, 2021, 8:22 PM

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how to computer 101

brave radish Jun 22, 2021, 8:23 PM

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grep searches the named input FILEs (or standard input if no files are named, or if a single hyphen-minus (-) is given as file name) for lines containing a match to the given PATTERN. By default, grep prints the matching lines.

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meaning, you give it some input, it outputs the lines containing "bionic_beaver"

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huh? 18.04 is still supported

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16 is not as of recently

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Kubuntu doesn't provide security patches for as long as Canonical? well that's strange

worn ember Jun 22, 2021, 8:52 PM

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wait, why we live again?

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did another update drop?

wispy blade Jun 22, 2021, 9:10 PM

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nah we just feeling like it

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mini is streaming hangar dev and chilling

native wolf Jun 22, 2021, 9:12 PM

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brave radish Kubuntu doesn't provide security patches for as long as Canonical? well that's s...

Ubuntu LTS is 5 years for the main flavour and 3 years for community flavours

brave radish Jun 22, 2021, 9:14 PM

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well I don't pay attention to community flavours so idk

fresh marsh Jun 22, 2021, 9:40 PM

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Is --forceupdate also reocmmended on paper when updating? It doesnt mention it in the doc when talking about the update process

brave radish Jun 22, 2021, 9:41 PM

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fresh marsh Is --forceupdate also reocmmended on paper when updating? It doesnt mention it i...

nope

cunning raft Jun 22, 2021, 9:42 PM

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Wait for 1.17.1 before thinking about force updating

brave radish Jun 22, 2021, 9:42 PM

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If you do that, and there's a bug in the conversion progress (which Mojang is known for), you just upgraded your entire world wrong, when, if you just left the server to do it when the chunks are loaded, you get all the bug fixes that come up in the meantime.

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Plus, in Paper, the cost of upgrading the chunks in real time is not as significant, so you have less reason to use forceUpgrade in the first place.

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 9:43 PM

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forceUpgrade was added for the flattening when chunk upgrades where expensive as all shit

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bearing in mind that that update caused corruption to worlds due to a bug with the upgrade logic

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if you forceUpgraded, you'd basically break all dub chests in the server

warm anchor Jun 22, 2021, 9:44 PM

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Isn’t there that structure bug too for people upgrading from really early version of MC

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 9:44 PM

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Mojang has continually caused data upgrade issues over the years, in part they're just more apparent now, but, if you forceUpgraded and there was a bug, you now just impacted the entire world

fresh marsh Jun 22, 2021, 9:45 PM

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Wow thanks for the responses everyone! Glad I asked ^_^

brave radish Jun 22, 2021, 9:45 PM

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and, even if you have a backup and you restore from it, you just wasted hours forceUpgradeing and now you have to do it again

warm anchor Jun 22, 2021, 9:45 PM

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In short, be patient and use the stable paper version later to reduce risk of damage @fresh marsh

fresh marsh Jun 22, 2021, 9:46 PM

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Yeah I might do that, really want to update this week tho, I have a script keeping a daily backup of the map

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it also shows the backup progress as a bossbar ingame 😄

brave radish Jun 22, 2021, 9:48 PM

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so you're backing up files while the server is running...?

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I hope you disabled saving?

fresh marsh Jun 22, 2021, 9:50 PM

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Yup, save-off and then it backs up

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then save-on

brave radish Jun 22, 2021, 9:51 PM

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k. Also note that save-off makes chunks not unload so I hope your backups are quick enough that's not a problem 😂

warm anchor Jun 22, 2021, 9:51 PM

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Also as someone evil myself, if I see a taskbar/progress bar running, you are poking me to try to crash your server while the backup is in progress krappa

magic river Jun 22, 2021, 9:51 PM

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wat https://twitter.com/notch/status/1407424478049669122

Notch (@notch)

I'm not the one to speak ill of the dead, but yeah, Minecraft's a little bit dead.

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fresh marsh Jun 22, 2021, 9:51 PM

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warm anchor Also as someone evil myself, if I see a taskbar/progress bar running, you are po...

lol, well that would not hurt the backup i assume since save-off

warm anchor Jun 22, 2021, 9:51 PM

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Coz I know save will be off EmaBkr

fresh marsh Jun 22, 2021, 9:52 PM

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brave radish k. Also note that `save-off` makes chunks not unload so I hope your backups are ...

didn't know that, good to know! it takes about 1.5 minutes

brave radish Jun 22, 2021, 9:52 PM

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fresh marsh lol, well that would not hurt the backup i assume since save-off

it would still save on shutdown (I think)

fresh marsh Jun 22, 2021, 9:52 PM

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i can confirm it does not

brave radish Jun 22, 2021, 9:52 PM

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fresh marsh didn't know that, good to know! it takes about 1.5 minutes

well that's fine 😄 not too many chunks need to be unloaded in those 1.5 minutes

fresh marsh Jun 22, 2021, 9:52 PM

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it says it does in the console but doesnt

brave radish Jun 22, 2021, 9:52 PM

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👀

fresh marsh Jun 22, 2021, 9:53 PM

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the script keeps all backups less than a week old, then it keeps one backup per week so we can go back and look at early versions of the world out of nostalgia

warm anchor Jun 22, 2021, 9:54 PM

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So it’s like coreprotrct but Skript EmaBkr

fresh marsh Jun 22, 2021, 9:55 PM

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well its just a map backup made by a bash script, definitely not as interactive as a plugin haha

tropic flame Jun 22, 2021, 9:58 PM

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magic river wat https://twitter.com/notch/status/1407424478049669122

Twitter never ceases to surprise me.

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he probably tweeted that as a follow-up to this, though https://twitter.com/notch/status/1407424078991011847?s=19

Notch (@notch)

I'm not even going to apologize for this one. https://t.co/UjVJCx39ZM

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slate seal Jun 22, 2021, 10:10 PM

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harrisonfordwhogivesashit.gif

unreal quarry Jun 22, 2021, 10:17 PM

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so. now that z's leaving, i guess his promise of paper stickers are going with him?

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runs away

native wolf Jun 22, 2021, 10:20 PM

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Paper stickers? Oh shit

unreal quarry Jun 22, 2021, 10:20 PM

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https://twitter.com/PaperPowered/status/1035344872897765378

PaperMC (@PaperPowered)

Want a PaperMC sticker? It keeps getting asked for.

Help us find out how feasible it is and what types of stickers we should get!

https://t.co/ZJxe2Njt79

warm anchor Jun 22, 2021, 10:20 PM

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Paper chan sticker now! paperOhhh

limber knotBOT Jun 22, 2021, 10:20 PM

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PaperPowered

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but yes, paper-chan stickers pls :3

native wolf Jun 22, 2021, 10:20 PM

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PaperPowered doesn't sound bad tbh

unreal quarry Jun 22, 2021, 10:21 PM

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i'm not sticking that paper chan on my motorcycle! just the paper logo, thx ^_^

warm anchor Jun 22, 2021, 10:21 PM

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wtf! it will make your bike cute!

willow delta Jun 22, 2021, 10:23 PM

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paperUwU

tame tangle Jun 22, 2021, 10:36 PM

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its normal don't detect?

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only detect on one side

native wolf Jun 22, 2021, 10:39 PM

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A screenshot in the day would be pretty nice

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 10:44 PM

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We've been looking into merch a bit more recently, but, nothing entirely planned

void void Jun 22, 2021, 10:48 PM

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Do you do RFCs for new major features in paper?

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ex Adventure etc.?

magic river Jun 22, 2021, 10:49 PM

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?

void void Jun 22, 2021, 10:49 PM

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My main concern is how input can be provided.

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what is the intended way. not for a specific reason, but more broadly because I'm concerned that paper is starting to resemble a spigot with large decisions taken in secluded ways

magic river Jun 22, 2021, 10:49 PM

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issues

brave radish Jun 22, 2021, 10:50 PM

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If it's not a Paper dev that comes up with the idea, we do overly-long discussions on GitHub followed by private debating amongst the core team and discussion in #paper-dev

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 10:50 PM

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We do do RFCs but there is no real formalised process for them

magic river Jun 22, 2021, 10:50 PM

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That's called a draft PR 😛

brave radish Jun 22, 2021, 10:50 PM

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It's not like Quilt where there's a literal RFC repo

void void Jun 22, 2021, 10:51 PM

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ok that is good

brave radish Jun 22, 2021, 10:51 PM

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so, if you have questions or short thingies, put them in #paper-dev ; if you have a feature request or something, put it on GitHub

void void Jun 22, 2021, 10:52 PM

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Then I have some questions about Adventure and the rationale for deprecating outdated techniques.
I'm not looking to change anything or cause a fight; I'm simply curious.

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ok I will

brave radish Jun 22, 2021, 10:52 PM

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void void Then I have some questions about Adventure and the rationale for deprecating out...

you can read the existing issue in that case

magic river Jun 22, 2021, 10:52 PM

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Why not deprecate them? If you're building for Paper they are deprecated 😛

brave radish Jun 22, 2021, 10:52 PM

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lemme go find the link

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 10:52 PM

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legacy stuff has been deprecated since 1.7.2

brave radish Jun 22, 2021, 10:53 PM

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also, don't open an issue on GitHub just to ask about that btw

void void Jun 22, 2021, 10:53 PM

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thank you

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I mean string methods

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 10:53 PM

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The entire community as a whole has moved away from the deprecated unsupported stuff

void void Jun 22, 2021, 10:53 PM

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why not use the legacy component serializer in the server itself?

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 10:53 PM

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Spigot is literally the only community refusing to move away from it

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Because the entire mechanism is broken

void void Jun 22, 2021, 10:53 PM

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because the bukkit api has provided some level of stability

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 10:53 PM

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Legacy cannot represent modern formats

magic river Jun 22, 2021, 10:53 PM

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The string method still work

void void Jun 22, 2021, 10:53 PM

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I may misunderstand

magic river Jun 22, 2021, 10:53 PM

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They just aren't recommended

void void Jun 22, 2021, 10:53 PM

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with methods being deprecated, will they be removed in the future?

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 10:54 PM

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We CANNOT promise that legacy > component > legacy will return the exact same legacy stuff you put in there

magic river Jun 22, 2021, 10:54 PM

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If paper ever hard forks maybe

void void Jun 22, 2021, 10:54 PM

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because in that case many plugins older than a year will stop working

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 10:54 PM

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And, shamefully, too many things rely on those exact conditions

magic river Jun 22, 2021, 10:54 PM

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So long as paper is built on spigot they can't be removed

void void Jun 22, 2021, 10:54 PM

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golden gust We CANNOT promise that legacy > component > legacy will return the exact same le...

this makes sense thank you

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 10:54 PM

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the API has stagmented for so long that these large stupid breaks too many years down the line are inevitable

magic river Jun 22, 2021, 10:54 PM

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You just shouldn't use them

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 10:54 PM

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the biome API is going to be replaced

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the world generation stuff has hardly been maintained and in order to keep it working, md has broken old API contracts

brave radish Jun 22, 2021, 10:55 PM

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They probably won't be removed unless Paper hardforks, at which point plugins will have to break eventually

magic river Jun 22, 2021, 10:55 PM

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The day paper hard forks is the day every NMS-using plugin (so most of them) breaks anyway

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Like they do every MC update

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 10:56 PM

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API being deprecated is the norm across the entire java and even minecraft ecosystem, once again, except in bukkit

void void Jun 22, 2021, 10:56 PM

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I hope all of these breaks are made in one big break

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major ones for that

magic river Jun 22, 2021, 10:57 PM

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That's called sponge 😄

void void Jun 22, 2021, 10:57 PM

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so I can say my plugin works pre/post break

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 10:57 PM

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We're not gonna do API breaks mid point release like upstream

void void Jun 22, 2021, 10:57 PM

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not build 1000 to 1020 and 100 and 150

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good

brave radish Jun 22, 2021, 10:57 PM

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void void not build 1000 to 1020 and 100 and 150

well you can say "these Minecraft versions"

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 10:57 PM

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our aim is to ideally have a bridge between old and new APIs and let them sit for a major or two to give people the time to upgrade

magic river Jun 22, 2021, 10:57 PM

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A major or two being like a year

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 10:58 PM

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But, at the end of the day, much of the API has not been properly looked after in years which means that lots of stuff needs breaking now

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biomes, material enum, etc

void void Jun 22, 2021, 10:59 PM

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is there planned replace for the material enum?

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it is mess but I don't know plan for other wya

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other way*

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 10:59 PM

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choco made a PR to spigot on the surface which looks interesting

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but, he did a dumb thing I told him not to do by breaking the existing Material API

void void Jun 22, 2021, 11:00 PM

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do you think spigot will merge?

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where is spigot pr I do not see?

worn ember Jun 22, 2021, 11:00 PM

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magic river wat https://twitter.com/notch/status/1407424478049669122

the comments on that tho kekwhyper

void void Jun 22, 2021, 11:01 PM

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need to sign CLA 😡

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 11:01 PM

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it's on the craft/bukkit repos on spigots thing, and yup, gotta sign the CLA

cosmic raft Jun 22, 2021, 11:04 PM

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honestly who cares about notch

void void Jun 22, 2021, 11:05 PM

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can I sign CLA with fake address? Will he accept?

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not good idea to ask

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will just doit

brave radish Jun 22, 2021, 11:05 PM

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I've heard yes

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but you didn't hear that from me 🙂

ancient bolt Jun 22, 2021, 11:06 PM

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magic river The day paper hard forks is the day every NMS-using plugin (so most of them) bre...

hopefully plugins will still support paper......

stiff yarrow Jun 22, 2021, 11:10 PM

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cosmic raft honestly who cares about notch

Notch saying MC is dead when its the most popular online game cat_what

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Notch tweets are super immature so this does not surprise me alchemy

worn ember Jun 22, 2021, 11:11 PM

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it was a follow up tweet from mc releasing the hedgehog thing tho

waxen panther Jun 22, 2021, 11:12 PM

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yeah

cunning raft Jun 22, 2021, 11:13 PM

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@waxen panther you will be moderated in 60 seconds

vestal jasper Jun 22, 2021, 11:13 PM

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moderate him let's goooo

waxen panther Jun 22, 2021, 11:13 PM

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@cunning raft k

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didnt ask

vestal jasper Jun 22, 2021, 11:14 PM

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flushed

worn ember Jun 22, 2021, 11:14 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/vegetarian-no-way-meat-only-ron-swanson-parks-and-rec-gif-5638366

Tenor

No F*cking Vegetables

▶ Play video

ancient bolt Jun 22, 2021, 11:21 PM

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I don't...get why notch would say that

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Minecraft is literally the #1 highest selling game of all time

Screen_Shot_2021-06-22_at_6.21.07_PM.png

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You'd think he'd be like, proud of something he built having such an accomplishment & the massive cultural impact it's had.
Instead he's just an asshole racist neckbeard

slate seal Jun 22, 2021, 11:22 PM

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That last line explains a lot

wide chasm Jun 22, 2021, 11:22 PM

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I think he was more referring to active players, but notch is notch, don't expect too much

ancient bolt Jun 22, 2021, 11:23 PM

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So I don't really know any kids anymore but I have a ton of friends who have children and they fucking all play minecraft

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every single one of them

cosmic raft Jun 22, 2021, 11:24 PM

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ancient bolt Minecraft is literally the #1 highest selling game of all time

what do you mean

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minecraft is dead obviously

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1 is such a low number

wide chasm Jun 22, 2021, 11:25 PM

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I feel like mc has been getting more popular recently. I don't think it's at its peak, but it feels like it's been climbing again.

worn ember Jun 22, 2021, 11:25 PM

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non java versions are trash tho

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change my mind

cosmic raft Jun 22, 2021, 11:26 PM

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i would disagree

twin lagoon Jun 22, 2021, 11:26 PM

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kashike PepeHeart2

cosmic raft Jun 22, 2021, 11:26 PM

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since schools have been able to use Education Edition for teaching purposes

twin lagoon Jun 22, 2021, 11:26 PM

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wide chasm I feel like mc has been getting more popular recently. I don't think it's at its...

it's going down if we want to believe bstats

wide chasm Jun 22, 2021, 11:26 PM

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I only ever played demo pocket edition, when it was actually pocket and not bedrock and that was definitely trash, but don't think that's a very fair comparison

twin lagoon Jun 22, 2021, 11:26 PM

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makes sense since the pandemic situation is improving & summer

wide chasm Jun 22, 2021, 11:27 PM

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Yeah bStats has just been following the pandemic

cosmic raft Jun 22, 2021, 11:27 PM

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fuck bStats tbh

worn ember Jun 22, 2021, 11:27 PM

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excuse_me_wtf

wide chasm Jun 22, 2021, 11:27 PM

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I'm completely serious, if I want to look how the pandemic is going, I check bStats

cosmic raft Jun 22, 2021, 11:28 PM

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shrugs

ancient bolt Jun 22, 2021, 11:28 PM

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Bedrock Minecraft and Minecraft Realms is minecraft

cosmic raft Jun 22, 2021, 11:28 PM

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I really really don't like bStats

ancient bolt Jun 22, 2021, 11:28 PM

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Just like Java Edition is Minecraft

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they are all minecraft

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if you disagree then you are wrong

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It's not an opinion

worn ember Jun 22, 2021, 11:28 PM

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ah yes wrong opinions

ancient bolt Jun 22, 2021, 11:28 PM

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can you read?

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it's not an opinion, it's reality

wide chasm Jun 22, 2021, 11:29 PM

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Wait, why was this brought up?

worn ember Jun 22, 2021, 11:29 PM

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maybe your reality lol

cosmic raft Jun 22, 2021, 11:29 PM

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no, dark

worn ember Jun 22, 2021, 11:30 PM

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last i checked half the redstone mechanics were different, how is it the same

cosmic raft Jun 22, 2021, 11:30 PM

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No one said the games worked the exact same

ancient bolt Jun 22, 2021, 11:30 PM

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it's a different variation of the same game.

brave radish Jun 22, 2021, 11:30 PM

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it's not the same; that's why it's a different edition

cosmic raft Jun 22, 2021, 11:31 PM

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just that they are the same game

ancient bolt Jun 22, 2021, 11:31 PM

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they are both officially made by the same company, under the same trademark, with the same core mechanics and gameplay

wide chasm Jun 22, 2021, 11:31 PM

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Who is saying they aren't the same game, though?

cosmic raft Jun 22, 2021, 11:31 PM

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dark

waxen panther Jun 22, 2021, 11:31 PM

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ded being dumb? average paper general conversation

worn ember Jun 22, 2021, 11:31 PM

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no i'm not?

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wtf

wide chasm Jun 22, 2021, 11:31 PM

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He said he doesn't like the other editions?

ancient bolt Jun 22, 2021, 11:31 PM

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well dark is for one, but it's a common "lol bedrock is bad java is good" argument that lots of people who do java modding say

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I mean, #general message

cosmic raft Jun 22, 2021, 11:32 PM

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^

native wolf Jun 22, 2021, 11:33 PM

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Also ded, even tho this isn't an opinion, opinions can actually be wrong lol

worn ember Jun 22, 2021, 11:33 PM

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you made it sound like they're the exact same thing

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while mechanics still differ

cunning raft Jun 22, 2021, 11:33 PM

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pepeAgony

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y'all don't disagree

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can you guys kiss

worn ember Jun 22, 2021, 11:33 PM

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native wolf Also ded, even tho this isn't an opinion, opinions can actually be wrong lol

its a matter of perspective tbh

ancient bolt Jun 22, 2021, 11:33 PM

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I didn't say it was the exactly the same, not even a little bit lmao

wide chasm Jun 22, 2021, 11:34 PM

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Okay, people who say they are different games are wrong, but Dark didn't say that

brave radish Jun 22, 2021, 11:34 PM

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DenWav:

they are all minecraft
...it's not an opinion, it's reality
DED:
maybe your reality lol

potent fossil Jun 22, 2021, 11:34 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-abe-simpson-nope-woops-walk-out-gif-5122624

Tenor

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another day in paper general

limber knotBOT Jun 22, 2021, 11:34 PM

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hi simple <3

worn ember Jun 22, 2021, 11:34 PM

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idk man i'm just saying i dont enjoy bedrock and i get jumped at the throat lol ¯_(ツ)_/¯

brave radish Jun 22, 2021, 11:34 PM

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I mean, I don't see the point in this discussion, but, yeah, he kinda did

potent fossil Jun 22, 2021, 11:35 PM

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hi zml <3

nimble depot Jun 22, 2021, 11:37 PM

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Using a laptop is like living in dongle hell (Lenovo, why?)

worn ember Jun 22, 2021, 11:37 PM

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why

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do you only have 1 port?

nimble depot Jun 22, 2021, 11:39 PM

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Ethernet

worn ember Jun 22, 2021, 11:39 PM

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wtf

limber knotBOT Jun 22, 2021, 11:39 PM

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don't you know it's 2021, everything's wireless these days

cosmic raft Jun 22, 2021, 11:39 PM

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wireless toilet when

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cat wants one for his rug

worn ember Jun 22, 2021, 11:39 PM

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thats cursed

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 11:40 PM

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It's just not the same

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Like, pooping place and wipe in one!

nimble depot Jun 22, 2021, 11:40 PM

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Un-see

vestal jasper Jun 22, 2021, 11:40 PM

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can I get one for my bed too cat's rude to me

worn ember Jun 22, 2021, 11:40 PM

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glad i bough a dell with an ethernet port at least kek i honestly use it quite frequently

nimble depot Jun 22, 2021, 11:41 PM

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I need the ether port all the time

worn ember Jun 22, 2021, 11:41 PM

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do you have reduced speed over usb?

nimble depot Jun 22, 2021, 11:41 PM

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Even if they had to use a smaller port them why don't they just include the dongle with the ThinkPad

worn ember Jun 22, 2021, 11:41 PM

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probably not right

nimble depot Jun 22, 2021, 11:42 PM

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I tell you: money

ancient bolt Jun 22, 2021, 11:42 PM

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I have a thunderbolt -> ethernet dongle for my macbook, super slim and nice, works well when I need it (which is not often)

cosmic raft Jun 22, 2021, 11:42 PM

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i mean

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most people these days use wifi for laptops

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and for people who don't, the cost of a dongle is one-time really

nimble depot Jun 22, 2021, 11:42 PM

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I would be using it all the time because Sun microsystems forces you to plug directly to a management interface

cosmic raft Jun 22, 2021, 11:43 PM

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it saves space in the laptop itself, can be thinner, etc

ancient bolt Jun 22, 2021, 11:43 PM

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yeah, a modern well setup wifi network will be plenty fast and low latency

worn ember Jun 22, 2021, 11:43 PM

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i have this weird use case where i need to plug it in a local network to control my audio equipment, which could technically be done over wifi but uh, not reliable at all

ancient bolt Jun 22, 2021, 11:43 PM

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nimble depot I would be using it all the time because Sun microsystems forces you to plug dir...

sir, Sun microsystems doesn't exist anymore

cosmic raft Jun 22, 2021, 11:43 PM

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lots of manufacturers are going for thinner, lighter laptops, because that is also what people want. lots of people carry laptops around all day, all week

ancient bolt Jun 22, 2021, 11:43 PM

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are you time traveler?

nimble depot Jun 22, 2021, 11:43 PM

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Collector

twin lagoon Jun 22, 2021, 11:44 PM

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reeeee

cosmic raft Jun 22, 2021, 11:44 PM

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and getting rid of the built-in ethernet port saves space really

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however

nimble depot Jun 22, 2021, 11:44 PM

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I have a few old Sun boxes that I use (I am into SunFire)

ancient bolt Jun 22, 2021, 11:44 PM

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yeah I refuse to buy a heavy big laptop. Portability is the reason for me getting a laptop, and thin and light laptops can be very high performance these days

cosmic raft Jun 22, 2021, 11:44 PM

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if you look at basically any business-oriented laptops, they will 99% of the time still have an ethernet port

ancient bolt Jun 22, 2021, 11:44 PM

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I have my desktop for when portability isn't an issue

cosmic raft Jun 22, 2021, 11:44 PM

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because lots of businesses don't have wifi access to corporate networks

worn ember Jun 22, 2021, 11:44 PM

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ancient bolt yeah I refuse to buy a heavy big laptop. Portability is the reason for me gettin...

if they dont thermal throttle that is

ancient bolt Jun 22, 2021, 11:45 PM

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cosmic raft because lots of businesses don't have wifi access to corporate networks

depends on the business / industry

cosmic raft Jun 22, 2021, 11:45 PM

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yes

ancient bolt Jun 22, 2021, 11:45 PM

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most offices will have wifi access to the corporate network

nimble depot Jun 22, 2021, 11:45 PM

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My older laptop was a dell Latitude 5580. Had all the ports I wanted and some nice specs but it commited die at least 6 or 7 times and I had to repair it

worn ember Jun 22, 2021, 11:45 PM

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the place i worked for had a VPN we could use

potent fossil Jun 22, 2021, 11:45 PM

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mine didnt have an explicit port, but rather went into a docking station that had the port

ancient bolt Jun 22, 2021, 11:45 PM

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wasn't always the case but that's pretty common these days

cosmic raft Jun 22, 2021, 11:45 PM

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of course, but so many don't still for one reason or another

potent fossil Jun 22, 2021, 11:45 PM

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(re business laptop)

worn ember Jun 22, 2021, 11:46 PM

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nimble depot My older laptop was a dell Latitude 5580. Had all the ports I wanted and some ni...

hey i have a 5570

cosmic raft Jun 22, 2021, 11:46 PM

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but that is why business-oriented laptops (such as ThinkPad T series) basically all still have an ethernet port, even if it is in another configuration option

worn ember Jun 22, 2021, 11:46 PM

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i thought it was pretty slow tbh xD

ancient bolt Jun 22, 2021, 11:46 PM

#

but hey the next macbook is apparently supposed to have magsafe again 🙏 and hdmi and sdcard again

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which is cool, as long as it still has at least 4 thunderbolt ports...

nimble depot Jun 22, 2021, 11:46 PM

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I have a ThinkPad P1 and I like everything about it except I can't drag it around everywhere. So the X1 Carbon comes into play

ancient bolt Jun 22, 2021, 11:46 PM

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I like magsafe a lot but I like thunderbolt more

potent fossil Jun 22, 2021, 11:46 PM

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the fact that they removed magsafe in the first place still annoys me

ancient bolt Jun 22, 2021, 11:47 PM

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yeah magsafe was dope

tropic flame Jun 22, 2021, 11:47 PM

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mmmyes, dongles instead of being a jack of all trades

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lovely

worn ember Jun 22, 2021, 11:47 PM

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both have their usecase

nimble depot Jun 22, 2021, 11:47 PM

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cosmic raft but that is why business-oriented laptops (such as ThinkPad T series) basically ...

I think they expect you to use a dock when you are using a laptop at your desk

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And I kinda understand why

tropic flame Jun 22, 2021, 11:47 PM

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worn ember both have their usecase

sure

ancient bolt Jun 22, 2021, 11:48 PM

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well 90%+ of all of my devices are now either USB-C or thunderbolt intentionally, so I rarely ever need dongles

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and that's for the rare instances where I need to plug anything in in the first place

potent fossil Jun 22, 2021, 11:48 PM

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Just got a discord update and read this: https://static.jacobandersen.dev/shared/Sudden-Inexpectatumpleco-75.png

Lmao

worn ember Jun 22, 2021, 11:48 PM

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wtf

potent fossil Jun 22, 2021, 11:48 PM

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So is that why when MM was streaming, his stream would go from OK to Absolute Poop quality when people would leave/join

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Hilarious, thanks Discord

cosmic raft Jun 22, 2021, 11:49 PM

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@nimble depot what machines do you have? specs? :D

ancient bolt Jun 22, 2021, 11:49 PM

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something something discord is bad

worn ember Jun 22, 2021, 11:49 PM

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why was that even a thing

nimble depot Jun 22, 2021, 11:49 PM

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cosmic raft <@!346026244220911619> what machines do you have? specs? :D

Laptops, desktops or servers?

cosmic raft Jun 22, 2021, 11:49 PM

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yes

serene sentinel Jun 22, 2021, 11:49 PM

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Damn juat saw the announcement rip

nimble depot Jun 22, 2021, 11:49 PM

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Here I go

worn ember Jun 22, 2021, 11:49 PM

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all the specs

void void Jun 22, 2021, 11:49 PM

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is paper 1.17 stable and out

worn ember Jun 22, 2021, 11:50 PM

#

monkaHmm

cosmic raft Jun 22, 2021, 11:50 PM

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out, yes, for testing. not stable yet

serene sentinel Jun 22, 2021, 11:50 PM

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Yes its out but not quite stable

tropic flame Jun 22, 2021, 11:50 PM

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another one

worn ember Jun 22, 2021, 11:50 PM

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it'll run, and keep running, if you're lucky

nimble depot Jun 22, 2021, 11:50 PM

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ThinkPads I have (not going to list the specs this will take ages)
T430
X200s
X1 carbon
X590
T420
T42
T41
X230
X300
T60
T540p
L580
T480

ancient bolt Jun 22, 2021, 11:50 PM

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thinkpad master

ashen cliff Jun 22, 2021, 11:50 PM

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Very cool. But #share-your-pc is down the block.

ancient bolt Jun 22, 2021, 11:50 PM

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I mean kash asked him

potent fossil Jun 22, 2021, 11:51 PM

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I mean kash asked but

void void Jun 22, 2021, 11:51 PM

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I am looking for plugin developers to help me with my Minecraft server.

worn ember Jun 22, 2021, 11:51 PM

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I mean

potent fossil Jun 22, 2021, 11:51 PM

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#welcome

ancient bolt Jun 22, 2021, 11:51 PM

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void void I am looking for plugin developers to help me with my Minecraft server.

not the place

cosmic raft Jun 22, 2021, 11:51 PM

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nimble depot ThinkPads I have (not going to list the specs this will take ages) T430 X200s X1...

impressive collection. some of those are ancient though - which do you use still? :P

void void Jun 22, 2021, 11:52 PM

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So pretty much no one on this discord server does plug in development.

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prolly non they all sound like they would light on fire if you tryed windows 7 on them LOL

tropic flame Jun 22, 2021, 11:53 PM

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void void So pretty much no one on this discord server does plug in development.

#paper-dev

ancient bolt Jun 22, 2021, 11:53 PM

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void void So pretty much no one on this discord server does plug in development.

This server has rules, and soliciting or hiring plugin developers is not allowed here

tropic flame Jun 22, 2021, 11:53 PM

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you've got more than enough development in there

nimble depot Jun 22, 2021, 11:53 PM

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cosmic raft impressive collection. some of those are ancient though - which do you use still...

All of my machines work (expect the T60 that needs a new backlight but it's currently serving as a desktop until I buy a new screen assembly)

Most of the laptops run CentOS or StormOS and I can use any of them. The X1, P1 and X230 are the most regularly used ones

tropic flame Jun 22, 2021, 11:54 PM

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just no hiring

cosmic raft Jun 22, 2021, 11:54 PM

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Not surprising hearing about the X1 and P1, but the X230 being used a lot is a bit surprising :p

void void Jun 22, 2021, 11:54 PM

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that actually is impressive then @nimble depot do you do dos box or development or something?

nimble depot Jun 22, 2021, 11:54 PM

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cosmic raft Not surprising hearing about the X1 and P1, but the X230 being used a lot is a b...

I run CentOS so it's very usable

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I do play around with hobby operating systems a lot and having a lot of machines to test on IS nice, but the main reason for me owning so much laptops is I like collecting business laptops

void void Jun 22, 2021, 11:56 PM

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retro gaming would be so nice on them

cosmic raft Jun 22, 2021, 11:56 PM

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Interesting

nimble depot Jun 22, 2021, 11:56 PM

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Once I get a 701 I can call my collection complete

cosmic raft Jun 22, 2021, 11:56 PM

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Specs of the X1 and P1? :p Can post them in #share-your-pc if you want

worn ember Jun 22, 2021, 11:57 PM

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we have like 7-8 laptops laying around that we buy for cheap and just refurbish and keep around in case we need one

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 11:57 PM

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tbqh, I was using a T63 like 8 years ago or something and it was still a pretty competent laptop

void void Jun 22, 2021, 11:57 PM

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you know i want rgb 120's or unifans

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but unifans are more than noctofans right now

golden gust Jun 22, 2021, 11:57 PM

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Like, left it behind at my birthgivers as the cord was screwed and I didn't care to use it all that often as I'd gotten an MBP which was.. well, macOS

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but, got me through college just fine \o/

nimble depot Jun 22, 2021, 11:59 PM

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cosmic raft Specs of the X1 and P1? :p Can post them in <#568490289044652054> if you want

Posted

cosmic raft Jun 23, 2021, 12:00 AM

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unrelated: was watching a LTT video since it was recommended

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I laughed when I saw this:

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https://i.imgur.com/kYwdWdy.png

Imgur

nimble depot Jun 23, 2021, 12:00 AM

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I personally hate LTT. I try to distance myself from them as much as possible

void void Jun 23, 2021, 12:00 AM

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thats xp right?

cosmic raft Jun 23, 2021, 12:00 AM

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nimble depot Posted

nice looking laptop

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XP background, yes

nimble depot Jun 23, 2021, 12:01 AM

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Bliss

upbeat falconBOT Jun 23, 2021, 12:01 AM

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Bliss (image) - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bliss_(image)

Bliss is the default computer wallpaper of Microsoft's Windows XP operating system. It is a virtually unedited photograph of a green hill and blue sky with clouds ...

nimble depot Jun 23, 2021, 12:01 AM

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Most of my computers are either set to bliss as background or the default from the OS

brave radish Jun 23, 2021, 12:04 AM

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I wrote new API docs and went to my computer today to push them. Now I remember I did them in /tmp and rebooted.

nimble depot Jun 23, 2021, 12:05 AM

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Lesson 1: always store your work in a safe and secure way

austere ivy Jun 23, 2021, 12:05 AM

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xp's background genuinely gives me creepy, uncanny vibes

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infinite plains on a perfectly sunny day.. too perfect

brave radish Jun 23, 2021, 12:06 AM

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ooh https://github.com/kashike/dotfiles
I look forward to it

cosmic raft Jun 23, 2021, 12:06 AM

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not coming for a few weeks still zombie

brave radish Jun 23, 2021, 12:06 AM

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watches repo

nimble depot Jun 23, 2021, 12:06 AM

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Well...

floral mesa Jun 23, 2021, 12:07 AM

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@austere ivy here is a fix: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/Bliss_location%2C_Sonoma_Valley_in_2006.jpg/1280px-Bliss_location%2C_Sonoma_Valley_in_2006.jpg

austere ivy Jun 23, 2021, 12:07 AM

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mm yeah, that's the stuff

nimble depot Jun 23, 2021, 12:08 AM

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Me when working on RedOS: This can't be good for me but I feel great

floral mesa Jun 23, 2021, 12:09 AM

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redos? another ubuntu spinoff?

nimble depot Jun 23, 2021, 12:09 AM

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More like a Windows/ReactOS alternative

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AKA the x86 hobby operating system for computer masochists

tropic flame Jun 23, 2021, 12:10 AM

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ah yes, another ReactOS

floral mesa Jun 23, 2021, 12:10 AM

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ill just stick with fedora

tropic flame Jun 23, 2021, 12:10 AM

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I can't wait for the alpha stage in 40 years

floral mesa Jun 23, 2021, 12:10 AM

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also yeah, reactos isnt stable

nimble depot Jun 23, 2021, 12:10 AM

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But RedOS is written from the ground up

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By me and 5-7 like minded people

tropic flame Jun 23, 2021, 12:11 AM

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the project moves so slowly even though it's so old and installing it in any modern hardware is basically a joke

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good luck with a BSoD because the SATA driver is faulty and it will only accept IDE kekwhyper

waxen panther Jun 23, 2021, 12:12 AM

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serenityOS 😎 👍

tropic flame Jun 23, 2021, 12:12 AM

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the compatibility is such a joke that even in virtual machines you gotta do tricks

floral mesa Jun 23, 2021, 12:12 AM

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I just cannot see an OS written from the ground up unless its by google or some large team.

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sure, there is templeos, but for a modern OS

tropic flame Jun 23, 2021, 12:13 AM

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you'd be better off contributing to any of the existing linux distros tbh

nimble depot Jun 23, 2021, 12:13 AM

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Our ultimate goal is full server 2019 compat but I know this is not going to happen unless we get access to more internal Microsoft documentation

waxen panther Jun 23, 2021, 12:13 AM

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PepeLa

tropic flame Jun 23, 2021, 12:14 AM

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i mean, just copy ReactOS
you won't be looking at code that's copyrighted by microsoft, therefore no lawsuits

floral mesa Jun 23, 2021, 12:14 AM

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if your re-implementing AD, that is going to be one hell of a job.

flat oriole Jun 23, 2021, 12:14 AM

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nimble depot But RedOS is written from the ground up

That's a lot of work for a hobby lol

tropic flame Jun 23, 2021, 12:14 AM

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tropic flame i mean, just copy ReactOS you won't be looking at code that's copyrighted by mic...

just kidding, even they copy lines of code completely immaculate from microsoft's KEKW

nimble depot Jun 23, 2021, 12:14 AM

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Hell no, not going to touch AD yet. I want my sanity intact

ashen cliff Jun 23, 2021, 12:15 AM

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AD has to die. Like now.

cosmic raft Jun 23, 2021, 12:15 AM

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I hope AD doesn't die :p

floral mesa Jun 23, 2021, 12:15 AM

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got an alternative?

flat oriole Jun 23, 2021, 12:15 AM

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ashen cliff AD has to die. Like now.

Last decade

nimble depot Jun 23, 2021, 12:15 AM

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Even using AD is pain. But I enjoy it

floral mesa Jun 23, 2021, 12:15 AM

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most LDAP implementations are really barebones, and generally requires multiple tools

ashen cliff Jun 23, 2021, 12:16 AM

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Actually, to be fair, I really only need a functional search tool for AD.

nimble depot Jun 23, 2021, 12:18 AM

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And there is me, in a very Windows environment

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Heck, we still use MS-IIS on the intranet at work

ashen cliff Jun 23, 2021, 12:18 AM

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My condolences.

tropic flame Jun 23, 2021, 12:18 AM

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Windows development be like
"requirements: visual studio 2083 (2TB installation)"

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just to compile something off of github

cosmic raft Jun 23, 2021, 12:19 AM

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My ThinkPad is sad these days

tropic flame Jun 23, 2021, 12:19 AM

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so, it's now a ThinkSad?

cosmic raft Jun 23, 2021, 12:19 AM

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yes

nimble depot Jun 23, 2021, 12:19 AM

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CentOS is enjoying it's last days before IBM murders it completely

cosmic raft Jun 23, 2021, 12:19 AM

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I have a ThinkPad E470

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hello my friend

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void void Jun 23, 2021, 12:31 AM

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hi all If anyone is staff, I have questions about the rules.Of this discord.It is easier for me to talk in voice chat because I have problems with typing.So can someone get into voice chat with me?

potent fossil Jun 23, 2021, 12:32 AM

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void void hi all If anyone is staff, I have questions about the rules.Of this discord.It i...

Like I said in VC, just ask your question straight out to the whole channel. Someone will be happy to reply to you

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Unfortunately people aren't going to hop into VC for that kind of stuff

brave radish Jun 23, 2021, 12:32 AM

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I am not staff, but there is no rule that says you can't ask. However, you'd be better off if you posted the question in text and asked someone to join to answer.

void void Jun 23, 2021, 12:34 AM

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Except typing, I'm not that good at because of disabilities.I have to use a computer program to type, which is always trouble To use.

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Is it against the rules?If you find someone on this discord.But you don't know does plugin development until they say something.To ask them to move the conversation to direct message and talk about plug in development.

worn ember Jun 23, 2021, 12:37 AM

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It's usually easier to just ask in the right channel and see if people respond

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Instead of "bothering" a single person in DMS

potent fossil Jun 23, 2021, 12:37 AM

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No it's not against the rules, it's just that you may not have that much luck getting somebody into VC for one-on-one questions. We unfortunately don't have a less typing-intensive method. If someone joins VC for you, that'd be great though. However, I wouldn't expect it.

void void Jun 23, 2021, 12:39 AM

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Are there any correct channels for asking on this discord server?About plug in development.I am new to this discord server I just joined today.

brave radish Jun 23, 2021, 12:40 AM

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#paper-dev covers both server development and plugin development

void void Jun 23, 2021, 12:41 AM

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Apparently there is a correct channel on this discord.Where I'm not going to get banned for asking for help with plug in development?

potent fossil Jun 23, 2021, 12:41 AM

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No, I didn't tell you that.

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I told you there are other places, like Spigot and MCMarket.

brave radish Jun 23, 2021, 12:42 AM

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You won't get banned for asking anywhere, as long as you go somewhere else if a moderator tells you to. #paper-dev is the appropriate place for plugin development.

potent fossil Jun 23, 2021, 12:43 AM

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From our convo in VC, he is looking to hire. For learning or general discussion, then ^ yes

nimble depot Jun 23, 2021, 12:43 AM

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cosmic raft

Ah yes, BitLocker

cosmic raft Jun 23, 2021, 12:48 AM

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yup

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lmao

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https://i.imgur.com/tkQIvhC.png

Imgur

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(context: Panasonic TOUGHBOOK)

void void Jun 23, 2021, 12:54 AM

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.eta

limber knotBOT Jun 23, 2021, 12:54 AM

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(See also #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785

solar hearth Jun 23, 2021, 1:08 AM

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any1 who may know what this is ? I am not reporting it to paper https://pastebin.pl/view/c2048968

Untitled - Pastebin

Pastebin.pl is a website where you can store code/text online for a set period of time and share to anybody on earth

feral locust Jun 23, 2021, 1:30 AM

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@feral locust hi

true canyon Jun 23, 2021, 1:33 AM

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solar hearth any1 who may know what this is ? I am not reporting it to paper https://pastebin...

rehost it on a more stable pastebin site, like paste.gg

solar hearth Jun 23, 2021, 1:37 AM

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https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/89897c71c38b4d2ca3ada726081d29a0

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The problem seems to be a world but i dont know how to fix it any1 who knows ping me

bold peak Jun 23, 2021, 1:39 AM

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would recommend #paper-help for this

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@solar hearth

solar hearth Jun 23, 2021, 1:42 AM

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Ty

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It says to not report to paper

brave radish Jun 23, 2021, 1:44 AM

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probably meant as a bug; people "report" them all the time as in they put them in paper-help

bold peak Jun 23, 2021, 1:44 AM

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There doesn't appear to be any plugins in the dump, so it might be a paper issue

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Most of the time that is caused by bad plugins

brave radish Jun 23, 2021, 1:49 AM

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oh sulu I updated that PR again

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forgot to comment though so no #paper-github

ocean schooner Jun 23, 2021, 1:56 AM

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is paper out already for servers or is it still in development?

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1.17

brave radish Jun 23, 2021, 1:56 AM

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It's been released, but it's unstable

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see #announcements

ocean schooner Jun 23, 2021, 1:56 AM

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is there a stable one in the works?

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or any eta for it?

brave radish Jun 23, 2021, 1:57 AM

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ocean schooner is there a stable one in the works?

Well of course they're working on it

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still no ETA; there's never an ETA

ocean schooner Jun 23, 2021, 1:57 AM

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yea that makes sense

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does it usually take a long time from past versions to update after the unstable versions come out

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like do you think based on like 1.16 and 1.15 times it will be released in like a weekish?

unkempt drift Jun 23, 2021, 1:58 AM

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wouldnt that be an ETA?

olive marlin Jun 23, 2021, 1:58 AM

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Everyone's meaning of unstable is different.

golden gust Jun 23, 2021, 1:59 AM

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pissing in the wind is not a sport we generally partake in here

unkempt drift Jun 23, 2021, 1:59 AM

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I like how people just try to ask for an ETA with different words

ocean schooner Jun 23, 2021, 1:59 AM

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yea ig now thinking about it lmao but thanks

golden gust Jun 23, 2021, 1:59 AM

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especially as vanilla has its own bunch of issues

olive marlin Jun 23, 2021, 1:59 AM

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I personally wait for 1.17.1 and a bit after that.

golden gust Jun 23, 2021, 1:59 AM

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Not as many as vogue, but, still

unkempt drift Jun 23, 2021, 1:59 AM

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"oh yeah, makes sense no eta"
2 seconds later...
"So when are you thinking it'll be out?"

ocean schooner Jun 23, 2021, 1:59 AM

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fair my b

pallid otter Jun 23, 2021, 2:06 AM

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smh machine maker, https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5960

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how did that even happen lol

potent fossil Jun 23, 2021, 2:07 AM

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golden gust pissing in the wind is not a sport we generally partake in here

but we DO partake in it elsewhere, right cat?

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like... like... on people's rugs. we take em out the house and then calculate the wind velocity and then match our piss streams to the wind so it lands on the rug perfectly

ancient bolt Jun 23, 2021, 2:08 AM

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yeah up ur but

potent fossil Jun 23, 2021, 2:08 AM

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oh

ancient bolt Jun 23, 2021, 2:08 AM

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gottem

cosmic raft Jun 23, 2021, 2:13 AM

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excuse me

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wtf

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AirPods are nearly $800

lean kiln Jun 23, 2021, 2:13 AM

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lookfish

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thats not right

cosmic raft Jun 23, 2021, 2:14 AM

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https://www.apple.com/ca/shop/buy-airpods/airpods-max/space-grey

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$779

lean kiln Jun 23, 2021, 2:14 AM

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oh the over ear ones are called airpods too

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lmao

cosmic raft Jun 23, 2021, 2:14 AM

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of course

lean kiln Jun 23, 2021, 2:14 AM

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makes sense

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549$ on the US site

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still kinda ridiculous lol

golden gust Jun 23, 2021, 2:16 AM

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I mean

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this the new apple logo fangled beats?

chrome quest Jun 23, 2021, 2:17 AM

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Is 1.17 for paper still only test versions?

brave radish Jun 23, 2021, 2:18 AM

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yes

golden gust Jun 23, 2021, 2:18 AM

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Then again, reviews seem to indicate that they're pretty good

lean kiln Jun 23, 2021, 2:18 AM

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I'd hope so for that price lol

golden gust Jun 23, 2021, 2:19 AM

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AirPods Max are aimed squarely at Apple devotees – of which there are millions – who simply could not bear to be seen with a pair of Beats headphones, even though Beats are superb. No, these people want a grown-up pair of headphones

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closes review

warm mesa Jun 23, 2021, 2:20 AM

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I would never buy airpods max. They are overpriced and eventually will get discontinued by Apple. Just like they did with the original gold Apple Watch that cost $10,000

lean kiln Jun 23, 2021, 2:20 AM

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ah yes beats, the pinnacle of audio quality lol

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sounds like a well written review!

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by an informed writer.

golden gust Jun 23, 2021, 2:20 AM

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original gold apple watch

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I mean

floral mesa Jun 23, 2021, 2:20 AM

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beats, even the bass quality is crap

golden gust Jun 23, 2021, 2:20 AM

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That's fuck you money stuff

ancient bolt Jun 23, 2021, 2:20 AM

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headphones I'm listening on are $400

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and true studio headphones are $1000+

golden gust Jun 23, 2021, 2:21 AM

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Like, I get it, some people don't give a crap about the quality of the shit they throw into their ear holes

ancient bolt Jun 23, 2021, 2:21 AM

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from mkbhd's review of airpods max, they are somewhere inbetween those 2

golden gust Jun 23, 2021, 2:21 AM

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But, like, saying that beats are anything bar literal fucking trash tier

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wtf

chrome quest Jun 23, 2021, 2:21 AM

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I got the AirPod pro for like $400 Australian dollars.

ancient bolt Jun 23, 2021, 2:21 AM

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I think he said it was most comparable to ~$6-700 headphones, but with the classic apple markup

lean kiln Jun 23, 2021, 2:21 AM

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I have a hard time believing apple airpods are gonna have quality on par with a similarly priced pair of Sennheisers

ancient bolt Jun 23, 2021, 2:21 AM

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so not as extreme as "it's 4x as much as it should cost!!!!" thing

chrome quest Jun 23, 2021, 2:21 AM

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That’s like $300 American dollars.

cosmic raft Jun 23, 2021, 2:22 AM

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I mean, jmp

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M1 vs Intel at this point

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what next, audio? :p

lean kiln Jun 23, 2021, 2:22 AM

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idk

floral mesa Jun 23, 2021, 2:22 AM

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beats plastic quality is also low. compared to litterally every other headphones on the market, ive seen $20 pairs physically flex without cracking

chrome quest Jun 23, 2021, 2:22 AM

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I don’t know what beats sound like but the AirPods Pro sound very nice.

lean kiln Jun 23, 2021, 2:22 AM

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apple has been working on their silicon for years

ancient bolt Jun 23, 2021, 2:23 AM

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yeah they are also made with much more premium materials than basically any other standard headphones

lean kiln Jun 23, 2021, 2:23 AM

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not surprised it's really good by now

golden gust Jun 23, 2021, 2:23 AM

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I mean, I think that sennies and apples offerings are generally aiming at different ballparks

ancient bolt Jun 23, 2021, 2:23 AM

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generally headphones are made from plastic so they can stay light

lean kiln Jun 23, 2021, 2:23 AM

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they are pretty new in audio, even considering the beats acquisition

ancient bolt Jun 23, 2021, 2:23 AM

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airpods max are heavier than most headphones though

lean kiln Jun 23, 2021, 2:23 AM

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and beats was never about audio quality anyways

warm mesa Jun 23, 2021, 2:23 AM

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I'd buy a Mac with an M1 chip but only if Microsoft and Apple let me run Windows 10 on it with Bootcamp.

floral mesa Jun 23, 2021, 2:23 AM

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funny enough, I cracked some solos, brand fucking new on display when attempting to try them

ancient bolt Jun 23, 2021, 2:23 AM

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unironically wanting to use windows

golden gust Jun 23, 2021, 2:23 AM

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I mean

lean kiln Jun 23, 2021, 2:24 AM

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golden gust I mean, I think that sennies and apples offerings are generally aiming at differ...

yeah of course

golden gust Jun 23, 2021, 2:24 AM

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given that windows consistently throw arm back out all the time

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I think that that's a pipe dream

warm mesa Jun 23, 2021, 2:24 AM

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I like the keyboards on a Mac but I love Windows.

lean kiln Jun 23, 2021, 2:24 AM

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warm mesa I like the keyboards on a Mac but I love Windows.

macbook pro from 2016-2019 would like a word

golden gust Jun 23, 2021, 2:24 AM

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I also don't see the entire merits of dual booting macOS and windows on arm given the lack of community behind it

floral mesa Jun 23, 2021, 2:24 AM

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to be honest, the m1 is a decent chip that I think is going to age stupidly fast due to the SoC

warm mesa Jun 23, 2021, 2:25 AM

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lean kiln macbook pro from 2016-2019 would like a word

Okay, I like the butterfly keyboard that isn't broken.

floral mesa Jun 23, 2021, 2:25 AM

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considering ryzen is looking to get even more l3 cache

lean kiln Jun 23, 2021, 2:25 AM

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the new models are nice

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but they put out some garbage for a couple years there

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in terms of keyboards on the macbook pro

ancient bolt Jun 23, 2021, 2:25 AM

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my 16" 2019 MacBook Pro (work machine) has a fantastic keyboard

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no butterfly here

golden gust Jun 23, 2021, 2:25 AM

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I mean, the thing with apple doing their own chips is that they've been doing it for years and aren't stuck behind intel not delivering for years on end

lean kiln Jun 23, 2021, 2:26 AM

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ancient bolt my 16" 2019 MacBook Pro (work machine) has a fantastic keyboard

that was the first model where they fixed the keyboard iirc