height?
#general
night ivy
golden gust
Basically, yes
runic drum
paper-help makes me cry, how you withstand this
night ivy
Basically, yes
Can I set more than 7?
vernal moth
Man this thunderstorm is annoying
left swift
Sulu is definitely into that
ashen cliff
Mods are like preachers, masses ask, you read and preach. 
vernal moth
I can see the lighting thru my curtains
And they are pretty black and thicc
It's a fucking disco outside rn
left swift
😳
ashen cliff
Looks fun: https://posili.me/i/2021-06-20_00-29-11.png
left swift
Disseldorf
ashen cliff
Ah yes, seeing 30 show up in the same second is always fun.
vernal moth
it's like the ultimate white noise
It's so loud I can hear it with noise canceling headphones on, lmao
formal turret
unkempt drift
I fall right asleep if its raining and theres a massive thunderstorm
gotta be something primal, I feel super safe inside and its "not safe" outside, idk
upbeat falconBOT
worn ember
vernal moth
Altho it got quit now
brave radish
hi pencil say please give me errroroorrrr
upbeat falconBOT
You must have the Manage Messages permission in this channel to use that!
brave radish
yay Pencil's not dead
remote fern
Is 1.17 finally out
golden gust
#announcements . seriously.
remote fern
No way.
vernal moth
Mfw an @ everyone ping wasn't enough to get ppl to notice
worn ember
read
golden gust
just, welcome to early software development builds
Pretty sure that's already explained.
worn ember
it already passed you tho?
vernal moth
1164 servers on paper 1.17 already
twin lagoon
worn ember
zwaar man
twin lagoon
did see some flashes but no rain yet
worn ember
bout time it rained a bit
sturdy sphinx
Anyone know any trade/shop plugins where its item-to-item, potentially compatible with 1.17 (probably not lol but worth a shot asking)
worn ember
.......
worn ember
then you probably shouldnt
remote fern
Whyre u mad bro
sturdy sphinx
Yes, however as said by the team, if you did, be cautions, have backups and expect bugs
golden gust
They're not mad?
remote fern
You already spent some time flaming me for not understanding
golden gust
They're just saying that if you can't understand what it's saying you probably shouldn't be running early release builds
royal kernel
I can now update my server to 1.17
sturdy sphinx
actually i'm mad
||Then there is no need to take out simple problems/or what ever with other's, it was a simple question but i understand bud||
golden gust
what.
they made a statement
they said if you can't understand it, you probably shouldn't
if that's such an upsetting experience to you, you're in the wrong community
sturdy sphinx
worn ember
||Then there is no need to take out simple problems/or what ever with other's, i...
im just ufcking with them
peak ginkgo
not using wsl
jade light
that's the problem
peak ginkgo
Mine is busted and I don't care to fix it
PS C:\Users\dejay> wsl
An error occurred mounting one of your file systems. Please run 'dmesg' for more details.
my only direction is to run a linux command
on my windows host
brave radish
why can you not underline in markdown?
ripe sphinx
I'm running paperweight on windows and it's fine? Yeah it takes a few minutes but it's CPU-bound for me
brave radish
`__underlined__`
that's bold
brave radish
GitHub markdown 😆
peak ginkgo
oh uh
brave radish
not Discord
golden gust
discord uses a non-standard thing
brave radish
I'll just use all caps 🙂
peak ginkgo
I'm running paperweight on windows and it's fine? Yeah it takes a few minutes bu...
It takes 20 whole minutes when using Git Bash
ripe sphinx
well with paperweight IJ can run it now
peak ginkgo
still will probably take 20 minutes :(
ripe sphinx
it's still not the fastest but I'd rather that then having to deal with stuff in WSL
jade light
ssd or hdd?
peak ginkgo
This is my issue I do not like WSL
ripe sphinx
(partially because I can't be bothered to figure out how to install j16 on linux)
peak ginkgo
((its literally like 3 commands???))
jade light
sdkman
ripe sphinx
yeah probably idk
twin lagoon
WSL 
peak ginkgo
ssd or hdd?
HDD is the device I build on
ripe sphinx
normally I do like WSL
(i.e. my terminal drops me into my WSL install by default, and I have my projects directories symlinked over)
peak ginkgo
Gonna try the same build in the same terminal on my NVMe
bronze spruce
So you guys wouldn't recommend me using paper already?
Rn I am using spigot lmao
so yh
But is paper like ready?
golden gust
both spigot and paper are in early build cycles
nobody sane would recommend using either at this point
bronze spruce
i mean spigot works perfect for me
night mason
POG
golden gust
g i t f u k t
restive thicket
I've seen this error, but I forget what the issue is, if any.
Any other error in your logs?
night mason
How close is it to finish so far I don’t know what moast of it means
twin lagoon
2021-06-19 02:44:05.668 [epollEventLoopGroup-2-1] W - Unexpected exception from an event executor:
java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: Java heap space
found it
restive thicket
oh shi
restive thicket
Like as a standalone setting?
twin lagoon
i've never had OOM issues with geyser
golden gust
paper doesn't shutdown on OOM
twin lagoon
it runs on a single 2GB RAM VPS, never had any issues
restive thicket
You just had an OOM issue. 
/s
golden gust
like, it's all down to where the exception is fired from, if you OOM on a netty thread, good luck
vernal mason
hi
does anyone know a plugin that will let me close a server at 9:45 Pacific time? My friend wants me to get a plugin for him but IDK what to use. Any ideas?
lean kiln
I don't know of a specific plugin for that no
seems pretty niche
but it would be a 10 line plugin to write
tropic flame
so... I think I've seen everything
someone at ViaVersion reported an issue with a Paper fork called "Spigot"
void void
I like cheese
waxen panther
ok
tropic flame
or however many `s`s there are
yeah but i meant "Spigot", really 
brave radish
yeah I'm just saying they could have been confused by all the forks named "xSpigot" that are actually Paper forks
So how does Paper feel about receiving issues that aren't really issues? I have a GitHub repo where I'm reporting issues (to myself) I see several different people report in #paper-help so I can report them to the actual Paper repo if I find out how to reproduce it, etc. I feel like there's some way more persistent than Discord that I can report that?
tropic flame
somehow krusic managed to react twice /s
I guess it is the power of the KGB
ok nvm i can see the other dude who reacted now
damn, discord, you ruined my fun
ripe sphinx
poking around paper now that I can actually do that thx to paperweight, TIL /tps mem is a thing
placid girder
@viral hornet i'm not allowed to talk in #swifties-club - what blasphemy is this?!
heady turret
worn ember
ok
twin lagoon
ok
autumn fern
it seems like chunk loading is a bit strange, was flying to an area with an elytra and the chunks would load slow, all unload, then start loading in, sometimes pretty quick and sometimes pretty slow or not at all. maybe its nothing, just though id say something about it
brave radish
that sounds like Minecraft to me
autumn fern
yeah, thats kind of the thought i has
brave radish
maybe it's just that you had some optimization mods pre 1.17?
autumn fern
its a new world to 1.17. i did use fabric with lithium for a while on that world
brave radish
😔
autumn fern
i've never been a fan of cats, but we found 1 being chased by a dog on our farm and saved it and another just showed up at our house. i now have 2 cats
autumn fern
people are messed up man
autumn fern
i ddnt mean to say i hate it to the picture lmao sorry
ashen cliff
void void
xd it's okay
ripe sphinx
omg the paw though
worn ember
boop the snoot
brave radish
modz can u give this person kitty role 🥺
they haz cute kitty
You should make an API for pictures of that kitty and we can use it like rory
worn ember
zombie horni for poosi pics
viral hornet
[redacted] brother.
worn ember
royal kernel
Ltts new video is funny AF
broken rampart
Wait we can apply
brave radish
apparently the application process is "post a kitty picture and hope a mod sees it and is feeling generous"
worn ember
i want a dogchannel 
brave radish
I want someone to ban everyone who asks for a dog channel
worn ember
The show must go on
lament patio
Yay, new passive mob I'll only remember exists because it'll show in timings
worn ember
void void
Does anyone know how to make a 16x16 picture look good when I resize it to 64x64 (basically make every pixel x4)? lmao
lament patio
Well, depends
void void
how so?
lament patio
Is it pixel art?
void void
it's that tnt picture
that I posted
the only way I thought that I could do it is just to just manually make a 4x4 area for every single pixel but that was kinda triggering
so I was wondering if there was any other way
golden gust
Depends on the image
lament patio
This?
waxen panther
http://waifu2x.udp.jp/
run this with 2x twice? 
void void
did you make it 64x64?
golden gust
1:1 scaling, some might need filters, etc, etc
void void
lol thanks
serene bolt
Does anyone know how to make a 16x16 picture look good when I resize it to 64x64...
nearest neighbor resizing is exactly what you want
void void
nearest neighbor resizing is exactly what you want
Thank you, do you have a link to an online editor or something similar?
serene bolt
both photoshop and gimp can easily accomplish that, among many other image editors probably
not sure of anything web based
void void
Okay, thanks again. 🙂
merry talon
both photoshop and gimp can easily accomplish that, among many other image edito...
I can't even fucking perceive the word among anymore without my brain going amogus
serene bolt
that's kinda sus
merry talon
😳
void void
worn ember
suske
obsidian ridge
How long roughly should I wait before upgrading my server to 1.17? Very keen to do so but don't want to if the current builds are super buggy
waxen panther
1.17.1
obsidian ridge
As in vanilla 1.17.1?
placid thicket
vanilla 17.1 is in pre-release so prob dropping next week
noble grove
What are some good plugins I should download for 1.17? (New to server hosting)
placid thicket
that is a very loaded question
but luckperms 100%
and coreprotect, especially if you are all 'friends'
noble grove
oh ok, is there anything else? maybe some fun plugins?
void void
Current releases are not production ready ?
worn ember
No
It's up to you if wanna run them on production but don't cry when stuff breaks basically
vapid birch
Does anyone know how to make a 16x16 picture look good when I resize it to 64x64...
If it's pixel art, you can enlarge the photo in photoshop to whatever size with "Nearest Neighbor" for Image Interpolation
worn ember
Makes it blurry
obsidian ginkgo
guys, why villager in 1.17 paper dont give a discount?
worn ember
Summer sales haven't started yet
void void
subtle owl
How long do you think until plugins update to 1.17?
drowsy urchin
How can Paper provide jars but Spigot can’t I always have wondered?
magic river
Neither one does, really
Paper's jar downloads and patches the vanilla server for you, it isn't the server
drowsy urchin
Interesting
magic river
I believe Forge has been doing the same thing for years
void void
How long do you think until plugins update to 1.17?
Rest in peace the plugins whose developer is inactive
magic river
That's every update, unless they're only using Bukkit API
1.17 breaks the others worse than usual but they always broke
magic river
They were doing things that weren't technically allowed, I think
But every Java release breaks something, perfect backwards compatibility is impossible
void void
They were doing things that weren't technically allowed, I think
It means most plugins are doing illegal thing
magic river
java 16 isn't why 1.17 breaks plugins harder than usual
If java 16 broke a plugin it broke it really badly in a way they probably won't be able to fix but that isn't very many of them
magic river
Yeah, those plugins are fucked
But every plugin that pokes in to the server outside of the API breaks in the move to 1.17, just like they did for the move to 1.16. It's just that this time they have to put in a bit more work to update for that
void void
I have to look for a plugin developer to help me fix greifprevention flags plugin and make it work in 1.17
ripe sphinx
.java16 don't mind me
limber knotBOT
Follow the guide for how to update to Java 16 here: https://paper.readthedocs.io/en/latest/java-update/index.html
icy summit
is 1.17 paper officially out?
void void
.java16 don't mind me
I am not a plugin developer
magic river
See #announcements
void void
is 1.17 paper officially out?
Beta release
icy summit
oh ok
magic river
Flags breaks on 1.17?
magic river
Bummer, developer quit too
Their last commit was making the plugin disable itself if Paper is detected
void void
Flags breaks on 1.17?
Last Released FileMar 24, 2014
subtle owl
Rest in peace the plugins whose developer is inactive
I think most of the plugins I use, the developers are pretty active but unsure
willow delta
whats a good plugin to pregen chunks?
willow delta
thanks :)
magic river
Oh I see, they got banned from the discord so threw a fit
void void
Fit
magic river
The last flags release was in January, not sure where you were looking
upper flicker
yeah he and a few others were saying some racist shit and got banned
didnt take it well
void void
The last flags release was in January, not sure where you were looking
Which flags plugin you are talking about
upper flicker
tacos?
upper flicker
lol Ill stick with tacos
void void
I never ate tacos
magic river
Is there really more than one plugin with that name?
serene bolt
yeah, GP flags is a fork of the original
magic river
The original died 2 years before this one started
fallen oracle
I can't believe he specifically disables on Paper only
serene bolt
bigscary abandoned his resources and other people took over maintenance, I think GP Flags has had two different forks / maintainers
void void
Is there really more than one plugin with that name?
There is one named flags
upper flicker
whats funny is spigot banned him too from their discord for the same reason
so idk why we're so special
but hey - people are weird
whole prawn
Tuinity, purpur and yatopia support only
void void
bigscary abandoned his resources and other people took over maintenance, I think...
There is a fork but 1.16 compatible not 1.17
serene bolt
yeah idk anything about 1.17 compatibility, I haven't touched plugins on 1.17 yet
ripe sphinx
11/10 pr by mbax https://github.com/ShaneBeee/GriefPreventionFlags/pull/152
serene bolt
but why would a grief prevention flags plugin not work on 1.17 lol, surely it's all API
void void
void void
but why would a grief prevention flags plugin not work on 1.17 lol, surely it's ...
I will try
serene bolt
oh you haven't tried? then yeah it probably works fine
onyx cove
I was about to say, I'm using it right now
serene bolt
don't blindly follow what versions plugins say they work with, always give it a try unless it's multiple years out of date
void void
I was about to say, I'm using it right now
upper flicker
what about PureTickets
surely I should follow what it says
its your plugin after all?
serene bolt
never follow what broccolai says
void void
https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/griefprevention-flags.55773/
Is plugin still preventing paper support
magic river
I don't think he ever released that
He made a release in January, put that in there in February, then quit entirely
fallen oracle
Just download and decompile and check.
fallen oracle
That doesn't require any plugin development understanding
void void
serene bolt
the latest update on spigot doesn't have anything anti paper related, just his archived repository
fallen oracle
Well that's okay.
void void
void void
11/10 pr by mbax https://github.com/ShaneBeee/GriefPreventionFlags/pull/152
Shawnebee did nothing lmao
if (Util.unsupportedPlatform()) {
Bukkit.getPluginManager().disablePlugin(this);
return;
}
Shawnbee code for blocking paper
Lmao
waxen panther
old news smh
cunning raft
He got ass mad when he got banned
golden gust
I wanna say he also got banned from spigot for the same stuff
cunning raft
Yeah
upper flicker
wonder, amazement, cheese
void void
limber knotBOT
Mine craft
merry talon
well well well, if it isn't the consequences of his own actions
torn lion
Paper is on??
magic river
Twitter
TIL the BSD sockets API (aka how you do network programming in C) forces your code to rely on undefined behavior
technically the compiler could replace your program with a fish and say it compiled it successfully
olive marlin
Wut?
magic river
Seems it might be allowed in C but not C++?
It's a strict aliasing violation but it's also required by POSIX
The sockaddr_in structure is used to store addresses for the Internet address family. Pointers to this type shall be cast by applications to struct sockaddr * for use with socket functions.
fleet fulcrum
whats the default tick speed in java 1.17?
magic river
20
fleet fulcrum
ty
grave dagger
@alpine ferry They updated README. Are you satisfied?
fleet fulcrum
sugarcane takes 10 years to grow
merry talon
ah yes, C being cursed once more
fleet fulcrum
yes
magic river
There is some rules lawyering around this with people arguing about if it's actually undefined behavior or not
fleet fulcrum
sorry my b i didnt specify
magic river
dlsym also relies on undefined behavior
Twitter
Except they keep changing the spec on that closely related spec as someone discovers a new optimization to apply
fleet fulcrum
its gonna take me 10 years to make book shelves why does this grow so slow D:
oblique kiln
Is version 2 of paper stable?
willow delta
what da tv doin
oblique kiln
There's no warning
magic river
There is no version 2?
oblique kiln
willow delta
the download they released today has worked just fine for me
oblique kiln
Oh ok
magic river
Version 2 is for the download API
willow delta
results may vary though
magic river
Not for the server
magic river
They changed the REST API for finding and downloading builds a while back
weak mirage
My whole server rn is like "ThEy REaLeasEd PaPEr 1.17 WhY Are We NoT UpdaTINg?!" I cannot stop the herd of non-intelligent people, I am sorry devs. All I can do is wish you the patience one must have with people who do not code and think that coding is a breeze.
upper eagle
Looking for that one as well if possible
shadow jolt
HAHAHAHA
shadow jolt
bro gonna implement poverty in minecraft
i guess it would be easy to make yourself, use the api of whatever economy system you already have and just check if balance < amount: put on welfare
I have a question myself too, what would the "optimal" server version be for a factions server reaching 100-200 concurrent players?
willow delta
poverty plugin
edgy gale
how to get 1.17
willow delta
yup
edgy gale
thanks
willow delta
be careful though
willow delta
still technically a test build
willow delta
1.16.5 will definitely be stable
brave radish
1.16.5 is the only stable supported version
brave radish
If it goes wrong, your world is corrupted and you have to restore from a backup
shadow jolt
ur computer evaporates
edgy gale
oh thats fine
brave radish
if it goes really wrong, ^, but that's not gonna happen
willow delta
yeah
im fine with using this 1.17 jar for my needs because i regularly back up my world
obsidian ridge
whats a good auto backup plugin for 1.17?
willow delta
but besides that i havent run into any issues
backup plugins are really simple, they just copy the folders
so u have a lot of choices
i found a simple one, forgot what it was
edgy gale
my server auto backups every 24 hours
obsidian ridge
I want to set it up to auto back up to google drive as well in case the server pc dies, but that should just be a case of making it backup to that folder
sudden mirage
on my first date imma say "I'm dressed to impress but i was stressed and depressed until u showed up and impressed and erased the distress"
golden gust
travertine added 1.7.x support, but, that's now dead
bungee/waterfall already support 1.8-1.17
obsidian ridge
also anyone here used Geyser? looks super cool but sounds too good to be true lol so not sure about how stable it is
shadow jolt
so whats the point of travertine?
sudden mirage
also anyone here used Geyser? looks super cool but sounds too good to be true lo...
very stable in 1.14-1.16
works really well until u want 2 use worldedit/citizens
upper flicker
seeing as it wont get updated for 1.17, should probably yoink that from the downloads page
golden gust
For 1.7 support, as literally already said
brave radish
also anyone here used Geyser? looks super cool but sounds too good to be true lo...
Very good. Some things don't work on Bedrock but it's the best available and works fine for the most part.
shadow jolt
Yes, I realise that but if the 1.7 support is dead then what's the point?
obsidian ridge
nice!
willow delta
im pleasantly surprised to hear something like that works well
brave radish
Yes, I realise that but if the 1.7 support is dead then what's the point?
Because some people want a proxy for it anyway. There isn't much point now, hence why it's deprecated
shadow jolt
Ah alright, so if I use waterfall, will it support a 1.8 client connecting to my 1.15.5 server? Like will they be able to enter and all that? If so, that's pretty cool
brave radish
meaning you still need something like ViaBackwards on the servers themselves
golden gust
am doin a Z
ripe sphinx
that would be very entertaining to see merged
brave radish
not for the people in paper-help
ripe sphinx
although tbh I wonder how much stuff actually needs any of the paper nms classes
oh wait a bunch of paper api is under the old package as well isn't it
hmm
upper flicker
am doin a Z
doesnt look like you added tacos to anything
ripe sphinx
quick, change it to io.papermc.tacos
humble topaz
.eta
limber knotBOT
(See also #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785
rugged sonnet
is there a way to change random block positions? like repositioning a tall grass on a block
ripe sphinx
from what I recall from the pack.png seed cracking that's clientside, based off of the coords
turbid oar
Can I have access to the cat channel. This is my cute cat ⭐
shadow jolt
Is the essentials plugin a must-have for servers? real question
shadow jolt
I feel like it's bloated with a lot of stuff when I have it
formal kindle
Hmm
void void
hi
leaden sedge
Bruh
limber knotBOT
Follow the guide for how to update to Java 16 here: https://paper.readthedocs.io/en/latest/java-update/index.html
ancient bolt
I mean we were going to do Java 11 anyways before mojang announced that
upper flicker
they'd have been good though if we just did 11 :3
ancient bolt
they'd have been good though if we just did 11 :3
wat
golden gust
How dare they use modern software
ancient bolt
oh yeah
golden gust
I vote that we got get our pitchforks and go stamp outside mojang HQ
upper flicker
15 is eol anyway though
brave radish
there was a 15.0.3
upper flicker
fucking send me a wat at 11pm
thought I actually did something dumb
smh
someone should yeetus deletus travertine from the downloads page as well before you deploy the site
brave radish
will Travertine builds still be available from the API?
upper flicker
yes
ancient bolt
i mean we could arrange getting rid of those too.......
upper flicker
and if someone eventually reformats the legacy page to be not just paper, they could go there too I suppose
as of now though, I suspect its not a huge priority
waxen panther
ok z-seven-five-zero
upper flicker
I've demoted you
upper flicker
dereliction of duty ^
ancient bolt
demoted further
willow delta
tame tangle
potent fossil
and if someone eventually reformats the legacy page to be not just paper, they c...
i already did that in one of my prs
storm void
Where would I go to report a bug I found in the latest paper build
waxen panther
github
upper flicker
Github
storm void
Ok off to github
waxen panther
ok
upper flicker
GH cli is still pretty poggers $ gh pr checkout 88
chrome quest
Hello. Is the 1.17 paper version on the website good?
chrome quest
What happened to the 1.17 channel?
upper flicker
but you should make another, then feel free to try whatever
it was removed because its no longer "special" now that its available, albeit in test form
chrome quest
Hmmmm
unreal siren
Can we use 1.17 for server now?
potent fossil
You can, but it's a test build. Take backups.
golden gust
Please read the announcement
golden gust
These are still early builds and there is still a .1 coming to resolve vanilla issues
unreal siren
Like can I start building the spwan area and copy paste it to new one?
remote aspen
what could go wrong with the test builds?
golden gust
I mean, it's all about risk
potent fossil
Take backups and find out. They are test builds for a reason
upper flicker
@potent fossil looks fine to me but I dont think we need to care about the old MC versions for travertine
because its bungee so latest will do 1.7 up to 1.16
golden gust
Theres a risk of huge bugs, but, generally, it's somewhat unlikely to happen, but, there are still known lesser bugs
upper flicker
no reason for anyone to use the 1.13 release for example
potent fossil
Fair, can change it
brave radish
oh btw Z, I have a PR open for v2 API docs that I've redone and haven't pushed yet, but should I leave Travertine on there or no?
upper flicker
is it just on there as an example?
shouldnt have a lot of named stuff on there probably
brave radish
There's a list of all the projects that Paper has on the API
golden gust
don't see what relevance trav has to it, if it's an example of a response, etc, it's still gonna be in the API
golden gust
I mean, it's fine, example ain't really needed as that's covered on the API docs themselves, examples are also just examples and nothing on there should be treated as a source of truth
remote aspen
so would it be a good idea to download the test build on my survival server(with backups) and do some fairly decent progress
brave radish
I mean, it's fine, example ain't really needed as that's covered on the API docs...
personally am not sure why the swagger docs aren't good enough but apparently they're not
golden gust
Yes, but there are no promises that there aren't any free issues
potent fossil
I'll update #88 tomorrow Z 👍 Gonna go watch a movie rn, bbl
golden gust
There are some FAQ style stuff in there which is handy to have maybe
upper flicker
ancient bolt
enormous forehead
golden gust
But, the swagger docs cover a good chunk of it and are the true source of truth to what will be returned from that API as it's literally calling that API
brave radish
yeah tbh I'm not sure what to do on that. Originally I just updated the existing docs for v2 but sulu was like "no that's lame go away use the swagger docs"
upper flicker
the swagger docs are probably a little terse
but they do make for good examples
the docs can just be a more friendly presentation of that
brave radish
I redid it locally but I didn't push it yet because I was focused on testing 1.17
upper flicker
v1 wasnt particularly complicated either
certainly didnt really need that massive blathering I rambled on about for them
but it made it friendly for newbies and people who dont do rest apis
shadow jolt
do you need to add perms to normal users for worldguard? aka everyone who is not an admin
or is the perms just for settings and so on
merry talon
not unless you mess with the global region
shadow jolt
ah ok perfect ty for answer
solid sapphire
so v1 is noe 
ancient bolt
So it was . Still is, but it was too.
fallen oracle
I'd say Kash gives 1 - 2 more warnings and then 
warm anchor
screw the warning jsut yeet it now
merry talon
how about we yeet eternity
civic socket
So has paper 1.17 launched?
fallen oracle
civic socket
It says it is testing version
fallen oracle
Correct
civic socket
When is it launching officially?
fallen oracle
.eta
limber knotBOT
(See also #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785
civic socket
Bruh stop it with that
merry talon
When it's ready
golden gust
It's launched
civic socket
Is it safe to use it on my server?
golden gust
it's still an early build, so, stuff might still be broken and there are some things which are broken
nobody appears to be reporting any major issues, but, this is still early software
So, read the announcement and use your best judgements
golden gust
I mean, we recommend waiting for .1 in general
merry talon
void void
.eta
limber knotBOT
(See also #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785
void void
nobody appears to be reporting any major issues, but, this is still early softwa...
make a testing team
void void
upper flicker
tbh we've had stuff tested on and off by 10-15 large servers on and off for months
and still had shit slip right past into prod
most people just dont care enough to test until its right in front of them
merry talon
you mean paper 1.17 was finished months ago?
upper flicker
yes
merry talon
upper flicker
advance copy from mojang
void void
upper flicker
we'll have 1.18 wrapped up late next week
left swift
paper lawyer Z
void void
we'll have 1.18 wrapped up late next week
U mean snapshot
upper flicker
uh
fallen oracle
Nope
fallen oracle
Ever wonder why they called it Paper-MojangAPI?
It's cause it's the API Mojang gives Paper before release.
void void
Wtf
upper flicker
void void
I bet a staff member won't pin this ;)
upper flicker
idk I see a few of your messages pinned there cat
warm anchor
merry talon
I think the window on that one has passed
upper flicker
who?
merry talon
not convinced that isn't just Amaranth's alt
upper flicker
lol
fiery pagoda
how can you increase the servertps from 20 to 40
kindred skiff
.eta
limber knotBOT
(See also #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785
ripe sphinx
how can you increase the servertps from 20 to 40
uh you don't
golden gust
Modify the server and change the values they use for that
Just, you're on your own there
fiery pagoda
i can't find the tpsinputs
merry talon
Why on earth would you want to do that
restive sequoia
wtf I found this https://server.properties/
warm anchor
not convinced that isn't just Amaranth's alt
This will forever be a mystery
Also. I doubt it the way paper chan types is very different from Amadanth 
upper flicker
confirmed paper chan is just eter
warm anchor
No 
magic river
ancient bolt
we need a fully animated and voice-acted paperchan anime now
warm anchor
Don’t spoil the plan for 1.18 denwav!
We will force mini to use paper chan avatar with face tracking like vtubers
ancient bolt
bitch I'm a bus
warm anchor
ancient bolt
I do what I want
merry talon
as long as you do the voice acting
fresh snow
Chunk error
proud lance
make paper-chan be the vtuber everyone has to use when updating paper on stream
merry talon
ah yes you are clearly running paper there
fresh snow
ah yes you are clearly running paper there
?
proud lance
geyser
fresh snow
Yes
proud lance
could be paper
upper flicker
chunk errors are a normal part of world generation between versions
warm anchor
make paper-chan be the vtuber everyone has to use when updating paper on stream
End goal https://youtu.be/DJiUP9TsjCY
fresh snow
Running paper with geyser mc
upper flicker
and by "chunk errors"
I just mean that weird ass generation
since that doesnt really look like an error state
fresh snow
chunk errors are a normal part of world generation between versions
This is whole new world
fresh snow
Hmm
proud lance
chunk errors are a normal part of world generation between versions
just curious cause I dont know this, its still weird if you delete edge chunks right?
upper flicker
yes
the "typical" case is just that world generation changes between versions
so the new generation doesnt necessarily match with the old
and you often get borders, or lakes that feed into nothing, etc
proud lance
gotcha, interesting
fresh snow
But I created a new world
upper flicker
shouldnt be a thing on a new world though
merry talon
hmm I thought geyser worked differently
fresh snow
Hmm then?
ancient bolt
Provide world seed & coords
sturdy dragon
Is it still risky to use papermc right now?
merry talon
yes
sturdy dragon
Ok thanks!
proud lance
im waiting for a bit more
merry talon
DW waiting room 
ancient bolt
ancient bolt
I have a really fucking long list of shit to do for 1.17
I'm sure there are others who would be happy to test this
merry talon
uhhh, I can't verify any of the terrain in those screenshots
actually nvm
it's fine
ancient bolt
so you can verify it exists or you can verify its not a bug or what lol
merry talon
no issues
potent fossil
so Luca is a cute movie, do recommend. pretty short too
merry talon
see the patch of gravel and sand on the shore
merry talon
well that certainly isn't paper
warm anchor
That’s not even paper
quasi valley
gotcha, so was probably a pre-1.17 world
I've had that at spawn once when I was constantly hard killing the server testing on the datapack 
... tho that was also a good few days ago, and yeah, 
the server on repeat
void void
good morning!
viral hornet
good evening!
void void
can someone give me paper 1.17 kotlin build script at my dm
warm anchor
rotund jetty
Ight so who's hyped for 1.19 xD
viral hornet
If you're wanting to compile Paper you see how on their GitHub (https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper)
void void
thx
viral hornet
Nw
vernal moth
2700 paper servers on 1.17, our 4th most popular version already
rotund jetty
How many servers ran 1.16
rotund jetty
Oh fair
viral hornet
What version was that for?
vernal moth
1.16
viral hornet
Ah
vernal moth
Looks like our peak was 99k, can't see a 100k
rotund jetty
Quite a few people were waiting on 1.17 paper to start their MC server
warm anchor
I think if 1.18 goes well 100k will happen
rotund jetty
Hm yea
warm anchor
One of the biggest change to generation and it’s overworld
vernal moth
We peaked at 110k over all paper servers eternity, so already got over that mark
void void
So im assuming 1.17 on paper is here now?
vernal moth
rotund jetty
Tbf it only took a week to release it, that's quite quick
vernal moth
We were "done" in 4 days just didn't happy with the quality yet
So we spend the other half of the time to polish it
rotund jetty
The Dev team runs like sonic xD
ancient bolt
yeah, I mentioned it before but this is our most complex MC update ever for a variety of reasons
viral hornet
Yeah they really went non stop lol
potent fossil
nah sonic runs like the dev team, he's based on mini actually
viral hornet
I think tonight is the first night the voice chat has been dead since Spigot released lol
ancient bolt
Shows the incredible dedication and time many people put into getting all 750 patches ported over successfully
rotund jetty
I saw the channels, I forgot the guy who was working on it, but I swear he never left for like a week
ancient bolt
That would be @unkempt drift
rotund jetty
Yea I don't think I ever saw him leave that vc
vernal moth
I worked 20 hours the first day and slept for 4 to wake up and continue 😂 😂
autumn glen
Pregenerating chunks till radius 25,000, and it seems like my estimated file size is 100 gigs. Goddamn 1.17 is taking up so much more space 😂
ancient bolt
Yeah I wasn't that extreme, but I did work like 10 hours and stayed up all night
viral hornet
That seems pretty damn high lol
rotund jetty
👏ded👏i👏cat👏ion
ancient bolt
but then I got a good night's rest before I continued lol
vernal moth
The vibe of the first day was the best, everybody sitting together debating if we wanna do paperweight or not and just saying fuck it
ancient bolt
dude that was wild for me
viral hornet
I'm scared to attempt to update plugins 
ancient bolt
I was like "should we just do it?"
autumn glen
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/834105218617573418/856060643290513418/unknown.png but it's 5x faster than spigot, so that's great 
ancient bolt
and everyone pretty much agreed to just go for it
rotund jetty
Paper best
ancient bolt
paperweight only just recently got to the point where any of this would be possible
so the timing was really close
twin lagoon
ahhhhh paperweight is so much faster now
very epic denwav
parallel execution also works for forks of a fork now
ancient bolt
yeah I made a lot of improvements to day
vernal moth
Do nested forks actually work?
twin lagoon
yep
ancient bolt
should be more stable too (🤞)
twin lagoon
since 1.1.3 even
twin lagoon
but caching was fucked in 1.1.3
vernal moth
But amazing
twin lagoon
and now it's fine
any reason gradle daemon is turned off by default in paper's repo?
ancient bolt
yeah I kept paperweight incredibly flexible to allow shit like this to work
twin lagoon
i enabled configure on demand & build caching to speed some things up
ancient bolt
any reason gradle daemon is turned off by default in paper's repo?
it's not
ancient bolt
leaf hates the gradle daemon for some reason
he can set that globally but I guess he's gotta spread his religion to everyone else
rustic valve
stone terrace
So no warning about it not being a production build anymore.. So we are good to go now?
twin lagoon
@static badge 
ancient bolt
configure on demand isn't that big of a deal, we have very few projects
vernal moth
There is a big fat warning idk what you mean @stone terrace
static badge
stone terrace
Latest announcements
twin lagoon
build caching likely isn't that necessary either but it's fine
ancient bolt
task outputs caching should work by default regardless and should keep shit fast after first run
I don't really know how to use build cache from my tasks so they probably aren't using it
stone terrace
But thanks for the no anyways lol
ancient bolt
scripts/upstreamMerge.sh still exists
but I guess that wouldn't work for forks
it's not nearly as necessary now though
twin lagoon
i'm assuming the right one right now is to just manually set the tuinityRef / paperRef
which is still fine
ancient bolt
just drop the new ref in your gradle.properties
twin lagoon
yeah ok
ancient bolt
should be really simple to write a script to automate that if you want to
so unless there's some hidden complexity that we learn about later, I think I'll leave that up to the forks to implement
ancient bolt
if you wanna get really wild you can set the ref to just be master lolol
lean kiln
and didnt realize it's not there at runtime unless you add it
ancient bolt
every time you build you'll get the latest version
vernal moth
What could go wrong
ashen flint
there still isnt an eta?
ancient bolt
for anyone running a fork, paperweight 1.1.4 merges the mcdev-imports and library-imports files: https://github.com/PaperMC/paperweight-examples/blob/main/build-data/dev-imports.txt
ETA is earlier today
golden gust
Seriously, minimal effort, read the announcements
vernal moth
there still isnt an eta?
It's released...
ancient bolt
#announcements jfc
golden gust
read. the. announcements.
ashen flint
sry
ancient bolt
they are still test builds yes, but they are publicly available and built on each commit
ashen flint
k
golden gust
It's released, it's still early days, however, you shouldn't even be running 1.17 in general if you care about your servers data
ashen flint
sry
vernal moth
2700 paper servers on 1.17, our 4th most popular version already
Another 100 servers updated since then, wow
stone terrace
So not just for plugin devs anymore? If you are running spigot already because you were impatient this is the better choice? 😜
ancient bolt
there's some plugin incompatibilities in paper still
those should be worked out fairly soon though
otherwise: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/projects/13
ashen cliff
there's some plugin incompatibilities in paper still
We don't call those plugins. We call them 🗑️.
ancient bolt
no, these plugin incompatibilities are on us
ashen cliff
In that case, understandable.
ancient bolt
if you wanna read up on it have fun https://github.com/PaperMC/paperweight/issues/24
I did just commit a way for us to circumvent these issues temporarily https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/blob/master/build-data/reobf-mappings-patch.tiny
tender shell
Another 100 servers updated since then, wow
We just added it to Apex's control panel so might be a bit more than that now. We already have people asking why we have a note to backup their world first lol.
quasi valley
no, these plugin incompatibilities are on us
I'd still like to blame Spigot for causing all of the trouble causing that 
ancient bolt
so we'll do that for the time-being and that should resolve that issue
stone terrace
if you wanna read up on it have fun <https://github.com/PaperMC/paperweight/issu...
Yes definitely thankyou
ancient bolt
I'd still like to blame Spigot for causing all of the trouble causing that <:kap...
tru
vernal moth
We just added it to Apex's control panel so might be a bit more than that now. W...
That's more than I expect from most hosts ^^
twin lagoon
@ancient bolt weird thing i just noticed
the caching doesn't seem to be working properly until you run it three times initially
novel horizon
well i got first dose of vaccine finally can have 5G everywhere 🆒
ancient bolt
the caching doesn't seem to be working properly until you run it three times ini...
Are you updating Paper or something too? I've been pushing out a lot of new versions of paperweight
any new version will invalidate current caches
ancient bolt
I've seen that happen occasionally
vernal moth
Updating paperweight nukes all caches
ancient bolt
gradle just decides for whatever reason the caches are invalid
twin lagoon
it's consistent on nested forks atleast
it's right after you init a new repo
and run applyPatches on a fresh repo basically
ancient bolt
I don't have any solution for the issue right now
twin lagoon
you gotta run it three times initially before it works like a charm
ancient bolt
it should cache after first run
ancient bolt
why gradle would not cache it, I don't really know
twin lagoon
afterwards 3s
vernal moth
That's the punishment for forking so deep Michael
twin lagoon
vernal moth
It's like spigots startup delay 
twin lagoon
fear not there's worse forks coming soon
people have to fork airplane aswell
which forks tuinity which forks paper
unreal siren
1.17 v2 can i get the download link
ancient bolt
@twin lagoon if you push out what you have I can pull down your repo and try to repro
not right now, but later
ancient bolt
thanks, that'll be helpful
unreal siren
the link in invalid
vernal moth
Michael being a good citizens of the community
twin lagoon
that's not for you
twin lagoon
Michael being a good citizens of the community
when have i not been a good citizen
smh
quasi valley
when you're spreading weeb propaganda 
twin lagoon
@vestal jasper uwu
vestal jasper
@twin lagoon uwu
vernal moth
Lemme see if I can bandaid some of these remapping issues now
wispy blade
@quasi valley uwu
ancient bolt
@twin lagoon idk if you saw my comment earlier: https://github.com/clrxbl/byof/tree/ver/1.17/build-data
twin lagoon
o neat
ancient bolt
also I updated paperclip to 2.0.1, which relocates a library that I forgot to relocate
also you don't need @jar anymore
twin lagoon
ancient bolt
I know all the constant changes are probably super annoying lol, just bear with me
after this shit starts to stabilize it'll calm down
twin lagoon
oh that makes paperclip actually usable
the paperclipJar task never existed for me
lmao
ancient bolt
yeah that was a typo on my part
I did val paperclipJar = tasks.registering instead of what I needed which was val paperclipJar by tasks.registering
ancient bolt
it's a good one because it'll compile just fine without warnings
yeah, I am sure there are legit times when you would want to assign a delegate to a field but most of the time that's an error
okay shutting down my computer now
stayed up 2 1/2 hours later than I wanted woo
vernal moth
thanks for your work, this all would be impossible without you 🙂
untold copper
You sleep?
plucky sparrow
Any Mac owner that can help me? Pressing command key acts as if I pressed shift instead
I can’t find anything help
novel horizon
using mac
wispy blade
shadow!
novel horizon
hey naomi
wispy blade
where've you been wtf