or start hunting them
#general
rich elbow
magic river
There are linters that can reject things without javadocs and you can write a github action to run them on PRs and reject PRs where it fails
tropic flame
not worth it on the long run I'd guess
magic river
I think you can even make github block merging the PR until the CI passes
tropic flame
unless they'd literally start to sell licenses so only certain people are authorized to run offline-mode lmfao
because there are legit uses
sullen dome
There are linters that can reject things without javadocs and you can write a gi...
cool can you tell me where I can find such Linter? I looked at some but none of them actually had what I needed
tropic flame
never did, especially when they were still under Notch
rich elbow
even willing to work with them
warm anchor
Offline was never made for people to pirate. Itโs for dev and people who may otherwise need to do some quick test and may not be always have access to internet. And mojang does blacklist server
tall goblet
Speaking of API. How do I recieve a server state information like a REST API of my server?
Did anyone tried anything quite like this?
rich elbow
Offline was never made for people to pirate. Itโs for dev and people who may oth...
they don't blacklist for running offline server
just for selling non-eula compliant perks
golden gust
You'd need a plugin which exposes a rest API
warm anchor
they don't blacklist for running offline server
They do for eula breaking one that got under their radar
golden gust
there was jsonapi but that dead, there was another somewhere but forgot what it was called
rich elbow
They do for eula breaking one that got under their radar
not sure I understand?
running offline server would break their eula iirc, but it seems like they've decided to let cracked servers be... at least for now
olive marlin
cool can you tell me where I can find such Linter? I looked at some but none of ...
Check out Github Actions, it has plenty of pre-made steps. There probably is one for a Java linter.
tropic flame
Offline was never made for people to pirate. Itโs for dev and people who may oth...
now good luck effectively distinguishing one from other in practice lmao, the option is still there for everyone regardless
brave radish
No, distributing the game would. Running an offline mode server is not a violation of the EULA.
magic river
cool can you tell me where I can find such Linter? I looked at some but none of ...
I think the doclint that comes with the JDK does this
I don't know though, I've never done it with Java
tall goblet
You'd need a plugin which exposes a rest API
any recommended plugins?
I uesed this package from npm and it does the job too but I geniunly don't know how it recieves the information: minecraft-server-util
tropic flame
their blacklist could be bypassed up to 1.17
rich elbow
well they could always change EULA and start enforcing it
tropic flame
and most cracked servers don't go over 1.8
rich elbow
I guess
brave radish
They could backport that fairly easily without a plaayer noticing I believe
golden gust
I mean, the server has its own built in handshake status thing
rich elbow
seems like most of 1.8 servers are kinda dying lol, even saw cosmic downsize
golden gust
beyond that, no, i forgot the plugin, as I said
it's a version which hasn't moved in years
rich elbow
I guess people got bored of 1.8 after all
golden gust
people get tired of it all being the same
tropic flame
I liked Cosmic only for the op kit pvp lmao, spending 15 minutes killing someone while rigged with enchanted gapples was somehow fun when i was younger
nowadays I got bored tho
tall goblet
Why would someone play on a earlier version anyway. Never understand that.
limber knotBOT
how is she so cuuuute?!? https://is.papr.best/gba6S3Kr.mp4 ๐
magic river
I think in the maven javadoc plugin you set the doclint variable to all to reject invalid or missing javadoc
tropic flame
I'm mostly bored of vanilla-derivative minecraft nowadays
warm anchor
20 tick server 
no skill but spam
tropic flame
i only play modded
rich elbow
They could backport that fairly easily without a plaayer noticing I believe
and in fact I think they will if enough servers won't comply, but that's just me
brave radish
Why would someone play on a earlier version anyway. Never understand that.
"cUz rEaL pVp"
warm anchor
how is she so cuuuute?!? https://is.papr.best/gba6S3Kr.mp4 ๐
I am stealing this!!!!!
tall goblet
I mean, the server has its own built in handshake status thing
sure do you know if there is a protocol how the handshake looks like?
golden gust
please don't ping
royal kernel
I play 1.8 pvp cos sword swing fast
tropic flame
and in fact I think they will if enough servers won't comply, but that's just me
dropping hot take here: they probably know that many of the offline-mode users end up buying an account later so they let it slide
potent fossil
how is she so cuuuute?!? https://is.papr.best/gba6S3Kr.mp4 ๐
lol that was cute
tropic flame
counterargument how you want, I'll believe in this still
rich elbow
yea
tropic flame
because I've seen it happening
rich elbow
I did too ๐
tropic flame
I'm one such case even
tropic flame
nice
tall goblet
I kinda like this community. Everyone is kind and supportive.
royal kernel
Same
potent fossil
Sometimes.
tall goblet
openjdk-16-jre-headless
This is the version I am using on my machine. Guess I am fine then.
tropic flame
i run java 4 with retrolambda in my custom build /s
rich elbow
what's wrong with oracle java again? ๐ซ
tropic flame
beautiful
tropic flame
what's wrong with oracle java again? ๐ซ
afaik it's the licensing
tall goblet
what's wrong with oracle java again? ๐ซ
Don't know people here are recommending zulu openjdk
rich elbow
yea but I mean what's the actual issue with oracle version?
tropic flame
I use AdoptOpenJDK and I'm very fine with it tbh
royal kernel
just don't ping the wrong people <:KEKW:723109873658888254>
If there name has โdont pingโ, dont ping, and if they dont, probably dont ping ๐
rich elbow
atm we're still on 8 but I remember oracle version was a bit more stable... compared to jdk
steel crag
I just avoid pinging in large communities, just too many things happening.
rich elbow
talking about java 8 ofc, didn't test much afterwards
royal kernel
Uses @ evryone
tall goblet
I moved from 8 or 11 to 16 since paper planed to up the minimal java requirements for 1.17
warm anchor
I moved from 8 or 11 to 16 since paper planed to up the minimal java requirement...
paper Mojang
tall goblet
Oh
olive marlin
what's wrong with oracle java again? ๐ซ
If you use it commercially (for example run server and have a store), you need to pay Oracle.
tropic flame
i still think Mojang should've settled with an LTS version - 11 being it
limber knotBOT
god I have too much fun with such a dumb webpage: https://is.papr.best/gfEcIj7n.mp4
warm anchor
Paper plan to bump to lts which is 11 but Mojang did a quickie and bump to 16
warm anchor
god I have too much fun with such a dumb webpage: https://is.papr.best/gfEcIj7n....
You mean best webpage
tropic flame
god I have too much fun with such a dumb webpage: https://is.papr.best/gfEcIj7n....
omg Paper-chan emoji
blessed
nova plume
What does 16 have that mojang can take advantage of that 11 doesnt
rich elbow
If you use it commercially (for example run server and have a store), you need t...
and they're gonna actually track and enforce that? and if so how? seems kinda far fetched?
nova plume
Shld hv waited for 17
tropic flame
olive marlin
It is illegal. But you do you.
nova plume
Anyway, what does openjdk have that oracle doesnt
olive marlin
Doubt they're gonna chase against small servers, especially since they'd need to somehow prove you use their distribution.
limber knotBOT
if you ever want any kind of support contract with oracle you should really make sure that you have all the licenses for their software lmao
tall goblet
What does 16 have that mojang can take advantage of that 11 doesnt
Really intersted to here the answere to that question as well
tropic flame
I've got the seven seas in my blood so i generally don't care 
olive marlin
- It's open
- It's free to use
nova plume
Really intersted to here the answere to that question as well
An epic logo for jar files instead of a coffee cup
potent fossil
and they're gonna actually track and enforce that? and if so how? seems kinda fa...
They won't track it, but if they find out you bet they will enforce it by taking you to court. And yeah, you will lose against the multi-billion dollar organization. However they'd probably just send you a scary cease and desist letter first that'll make you shit your pants.
But why want to use Oracle's Java? Just use AdoptOpenJDK
rich elbow
now you're making things even more confusing lol
nova plume
Am scared now
rich elbow
so zulu or adoptopenjdk or ... lol
tropic flame
you see, there is more than one distribution of OpenJDK
potent fossil
There are a lot of Java distributions to work with. Both adopt and zulu are fine.
tropic flame
for minecraft i don't think it really matters which one you choose lol
sudden tundra
i think curseforge has a tiny problem ...
nova plume
True
nova plume
@rich elbow is this for running a server, and if so what os is it on
golden gust
I'd avoid debians openjdk distribution
golden gust
the license is fine but they do stupid stuff with it
rich elbow
they do?
golden gust
e.g. they where shipping java 9 without the agent stuff at one point
tropic flame
everybody knows you should use KGBOpenJDK
golden gust
(completely broke paperclip)
tall goblet
There are a lot of Java distributions to work with. Both adopt and zulu are fine...
openjdk version "16.0.1" 2021-04-20
OpenJDK Runtime Environment (build 16.0.1+9-Ubuntu-120.04)
OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 16.0.1+9-Ubuntu-120.04, mixed mode, sharing)
If I enter java -version I get the output above. How can I find which exact distro of openjdk I am using?
golden gust
it tells you right at the beginning
nova plume
https://sdkman.io/install @rich elbow
golden gust
you're using openjdk
places like adoptopenjdk change that
But, there are many people who package "raw" openjdk builds
tropic flame
`openjdk version "16.0.1" 2021-04-20`
`OpenJDK Runtime Environment (build 16.0.1...
that's just OpenJDK compiled for Ubuntu
brave radish
But, there are many people who package "raw" openjdk builds
(Adopt distributes these now too)
potent fossil
`openjdk version "16.0.1" 2021-04-20`
`OpenJDK Runtime Environment (build 16.0.1...
You're just running plain openjdk, which is oracle's open source jdk. AdoptOpenJDK reimplements it but on their own. Zulu does the same. Among other OpenJDK distros.
golden gust
I mean, somebody already pointed out the ubuntu
last I knew adopt at least changed the vendor name in there
potent fossil
adopt does:
openjdk version "16.0.1" 2021-04-20
OpenJDK Runtime Environment AdoptOpenJDK-16.0.1+9 (build 16.0.1+9)
Eclipse OpenJ9 VM AdoptOpenJDK-16.0.1+9 (build openj9-0.26.0, JRE 16 Linux amd64-64-Bit Compressed References 20210421_23 (JIT enabled, AOT enabled)
OpenJ9 - b4cc246d9
OMR - 162e6f729
JCL - cea22090ecf based on jdk-16.0.1+9)
2nd line
nova plume
For long term longevity its probably easier using smth like sdkman tho
tall goblet
Is there a proven significant diff between these distros?
nova plume
Not really
golden gust
outside of debian being debian, they're all the same and use the same license overall
tropic flame
Is there a proven significant diff between these distros?
they can differ on whether they use HotSpot or OpenJ9 but besides that, i don't think so
golden gust
oracle does not ship openjdk, but their own modified proprietry build
vender name goes into the version tag
rich nest
the axolotl = gamer
golden gust
they don't techically need to do that, but, any of note seem to do so
rich elbow
u can pick JVM with adoptopenjdk https://adoptopenjdk.net/installation.html?variant=openjdk16&jvmVariant=openj9#x64_linux-jdk
or so it seems lol
nova plume
Just sick to hotspot
golden gust
Well, yea, AOJ ship openj9 VMs too
nova plume
Stick*
golden gust
But, not recommended for MC outside of niche usecases
cosmic raft
did you see my message cat
golden gust
yea
cosmic raft
and?
golden gust
i think
swift root
just IGNORING you
golden gust
marina?
swift root
:p
tropic flame
HotSpot is still very based
golden gust
She classic
swift root
is this a MCVersion song
cosmic raft
no
tall goblet
It's really convenient for me to keep this version / distro because I can update it via the build in ubuntu package manager easily if there is a security update available. Don't need to add external repositories.
golden gust
.1.17
limber knotBOT
cosmic raft
1.11 <https://youtu.be/izGwDsrQ1eQ> George Michael - Careless Whisper (Official Video)
1.12 <https://youtu.be/Y1xs_xPb46M> One Direction - One Thing
1.13 <https://youtu.be/hmE9f-TEutc> BTS (๋ฐฉํ์๋
๋จ) 'ํผ ๋ ๋๋ฌผ (Blood Sweat & Tears)' Official MV
1.14 <https://youtu.be/2fngvQS_PmQ> Ed Sheeran - I See Fire (Music Video)
1.15 <https://youtu.be/CwfoyVa980U> Charlie Puth - "How Long" [Official Video]
1.16 <https://youtu.be/_ZcmuKsyvzg> *NSYNC - Tearin' Up My Heart (Official Music Video)
1.17 <https://youtu.be/fXN5SdcpeeQ> 5 Seconds Of Summer - If Walls Could Talk (Official Audio)
1.18 <https://youtu.be/0wrsZog8qXg> The Postal Service - Such Great Heights [OFFICIAL VIDEO]
these are the songs
swift root
yeah I was thinking marina would be like a far distant song
like 1.19 or something who knows
cosmic raft
1.19 is planned already currently
swift root
got a song yet?
rich elbow
cosmic raft
yes
brave radish
Can someone explain... what, exactly, is the purpose of the weird thingy the client and server do where the client tells the session server it's joining and the server confirms? Just so the server can block proxy users?
potent fossil
There are LOTS of linux distros like that 
warm anchor
http://biebian.sourceforge.net/ <:kekw:674093681963302933>
Tf
golden gust
I mean, that's a typical auth flow for 3rd party services where you don't want to expose any keys over an unencrypted network
tropic flame
http://biebian.sourceforge.net/ <:kekw:674093681963302933>
PaperMC finna unite and make the Taylor Swift distro
nova plume
Im pretty sure theres also hannah montana linux
golden gust
pretty sure that the client gets a key from mojangs API for the encryption stuff over that
rich elbow
yea
client would ping server, server would set online or offline mode, then client would validate session via mojang servers before getting back to mc server itself
willow delta
.flags
limber knotBOT
Optimized & Recommended JVM Startup Flags: https://mcflags.emc.gs
rich elbow
it u wanna tell if a client is cracked or not before it's denied by mojang sessions it can't be done
cause it's clientside
if you're just curious that's kinda simple way too look at it
tall goblet
Optimized & Recommended JVM Startup Flags: https://mcflags.emc.gs
link broken
swift root
nova plume
link broken
Takes ages
tall goblet
https://startmc.sh
Is this actually optmized for paper or are these generally options to use when hosting any minecraft server?
nova plume
Any server benefits from them
tall goblet
Those are quite few options
cosmic raft
@limpid comet pls fix your website
swift root
doesn't matter, it's GC not exactly server software specific
oh we're pinging the flags ppl
@spiral robin you too
golden gust
it's catered towards mcs memory allocation pattern
tall goblet
Do I need those options as well?
-Daikars.new.flags=true
-Dusing.aikars.flags=https://mcflags.emc.gs
nova plume
Its literally a matter of copy pasting them
cosmic raft
need, no
swift root
hover over them to see the purpose
cosmic raft
they're just marker ones
golden gust
they tell people where the flags are from, and that yoy've done the update, otherise ^
golden gust
-D sets system properties
tall goblet
hover over them to see the purpose
MVP
willow delta
is it beneficial to use the -server argument with a mc server?
tropic flame
yes yes i meant those two specific ones
golden gust
java uses -server in headless envs
rich elbow
yes yes i meant those two specific ones
they're custom... paper could load them and check if they're present but that's about it
tropic flame
is it beneficial to use the -server argument with a mc server?
from my experience? yes, but it's because I do what no one should and run servers in the same place i play
rich elbow
aside from that they probably don't have any functionality
could possibly show up in timings if that was implemented but I didn't check the code tbh
willow delta
from my experience? yes, but it's because I do what no one should and run server...
i did that for months lol and im about to do it again
rich elbow
will work just fine with spigot, paper, bungee, waterfall... whatever
tropic flame
good luck
rich elbow
tho for bungee/waterfall thy're probably not needed
tropic flame
when you're poor you work with what you've got
magic river
Does OpenJDK even support running with -client?
I know -server is the default for 64-bit builds, regardless
tropic flame
up to version 8, yes, after that i have no idea
golden gust
pretty sure client was ignored now
rich elbow
u can in fact print gc log and then analyse gc.log and see how it does
magic river
So unless you run on a shitbox you're getting -server whether you ask for it or not ๐
tall goblet
java uses -server in headless envs
-server is not included on the website which was linked here. Should I include it anyway?
golden gust
not needed these days, as amar said
tall goblet
Ok sorry didn't read
rich elbow
tropic flame
offtopic but if your toaster takes 10 minutes regardless if you turn it on in advance, like mine does: microwaving your sandwich kinda works
it won't get crispy
but it'll still be warm
and the cheese will melt
so that's what counts kinda
tall goblet
you mean you dont get grill marks?
tropic flame
that too
but i like to leave it there until i can literally hear it crunching when i bite it
like a potato chip
but then i just end up microwaving anyways because lazy
golden gust
trick for toasters is to down a cup of coffee and do what naturally comes after first coffee while the toaster is toasting
tall goblet
Maybe it's not heating up as quickly as it used before. Get a watt measuring device to see if its drawing enough power from the wall and copare it to the procuts spec sheet
Everyone should have one anyway
swift root
lucky boi
twin lagoon
baaaaaarry
limber knotBOT
(See also #โ-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785
swift root
!mute 396468779288231939 7d ETA
thorny flickerBOT
:raised_hands: Muted Tom the Schemer#8958 for 7 days (ETA) [1 total infraction] -- Larry#6086.
tropic flame
yesterday
formal kindle
Can I also get to do that here
swift root
ETA jokers and ETA askers - fed to trolls
swift root
you can use IRC yeah
tropic flame
everybody asks an ETA for paper 1.17 but no one asks an ETA for the revival of AquiferMC ๐ /s
swift root
it's a public channel
formal kindle
Hmm
tropic flame
true OGs remember
limber knotBOT
the eta is also -a couple days already
formal kindle
How do I do it
nova plume
Thereโs some people who take the piss and do it cos theyโre sadistic, but some actually ask cos they donโt know
limber knotBOT
people are blind af
formal kindle
Lol
limber knotBOT
like just click the download link https://is.paper.sexy/gfTXcVdT.png ๐
formal kindle
How do I do IRC in here
swift root
you don't do it in here
warm anchor
Join the irc now pheonix is lonely there
warm anchor
Itโs like 3 active one lol. Pheonix, geo, and zml
swift root
I'm wondering who here uses notifications so I don't accidentally ping em
limber knotBOT
if they don't want to be pinged they would just disable it in their client lol
swift root
how are you?!
limber knotBOT
oooh congrats! my weekend just started a few hours ago :)
swift root
eyo
warm anchor
wizjany does too or he always magically appeared here when his full name is mentioned
limber knotBOT
byeee
tropic flame
imagine IRC
swift root
farewell till later
limber knotBOT
imagine discord
swift root
(love you especially zml)
tropic flame
hi zml
half hawk
revolution
viral hornet
Was tired of editing HOCON in Pterodactyl as it doesn't have syntax highlighting for it....but neither does VSCode apparently hnnnngg
half hawk
or androirc
limber knotBOT
@swift root <3
rich elbow
symbian app 
limber knotBOT
seems to for me, Camm
viral hornet
I just installed an extension for it, but definitely didn't have it for me by default.
limber knotBOT
it has very little by default lol
their design is based around primarily exposing things through extesions
viral hornet
Maybe it does if you open a file.conf? I was just pasting in then trying to change the language
limber knotBOT
it does some things where extensions can register themselves for certain extensions
tall goblet
How do you deamon your minecraft server? Using screen or something else?
limber knotBOT
tmux :p
tropic flame
json-looking but less strict
formal kindle
limber knotBOT
paperd someday
formal kindle
How to fix
limber knotBOT
register your nick
formal kindle
How
limber knotBOT
hocon is love
formal kindle
I'm new to irc
limber knotBOT
hocon is a neat format with a bad spec and a terrible implementation
viral hornet
I don't mind it, I much prefer YAML for usage, but I understand developers preferring HOCON
tropic flame
/msg nickserv register (i don't remember the rest of the arguments)
viral hornet
*until configurate is done ๐
tropic flame
you should do it on the server tab
viral hornet
configurate
tropic flame
I don't mind it, I much prefer YAML for usage, but I understand developers prefe...
well actually the big reason why I like HOCON is because Configurate supports comments in it 
limber knotBOT
awesome for people using legacy color codes ๐
tropic flame
it won't delete all the comments just because I set something programmatically and saved
limber knotBOT
anchors and aliases are quite nice
limber knotBOT
hocon has the same issues with $ tho
ancient bolt
my favorite thing about yaml is that it claims to be designed to be easy for humans and computers to understand
and it's terrible for both
yay significant whitespace
limber knotBOT
i bet that dates back to when yaml was an XML derivative
tropic flame
i think it's easy for humans until you actually have to change values
and then do things wrong and program throws parser errors
ancient bolt
i find it hard to follow unless i have a sufficiently good editor guiding me
limber knotBOT
https://yaml.org/spec/history/2001-03-30.html this is a fun piece of history
limber knotBOT
i'm glad the format evolved a lot from that first draft
formal kindle
Once I registered
ancient bolt
I really like that
formal kindle
It doesn't still show lists
ancient bolt
I hate how they formatted their example
but that looks nice
I say that as someone who is a big fan of xml
viral hornet
Where does the usage of YAML in Minecraft for plugins come from?
Like, did it just start and become the norm or something
formal kindle
I need help with irc, I've registered but still can't see lists
spiral robin
Hi
tropic flame
Where does the usage of YAML in Minecraft for plugins come from?
It's as old as craftbukkit at least
limber knotBOT
@viral hornet sk liked it, wrote an adapter and tossed it into bukkit
ancient bolt
this isn't an IRC support chat
viral hornet
Gotcha
tropic flame
so at least 10 years ago
formal kindle
Where is irc support chat
limber knotBOT
not here
viral hornet
I don't believe there is one lol
formal kindle
Oh ok
viral hornet
Just google your issue perhaps
tropic flame
the Indians are in vacation, there's no support right now
warm anchor
Ughโฆ
limber knotBOT
no, because you still haven't figured out how to ask not here
formal kindle
Wow
olive marlin
like put a & at the start of a string without quotes and it breaks
That's just an alias/anchor?
limber knotBOT
yeah
tropic flame
I kinda like this community. Everyone is kind and supportive.
Would you like to repeat this sentence?
tall goblet
Would you like to repeat this sentence? <:kekw:674093681963302933>
I kinda like this community. Everyone is kind and supportive.
limber knotBOT
sounds like we made a mistake with that one
swift root
Needs more uwuwuwuwuwuwus
limber knotBOT
@swift root uwu :3
swift root
Hi z I'm back
limber knotBOT
hi back, i'm z
swift root
Oops it's not 5 more like 0.7
limber knotBOT
byeeeeee
swift root
Baiiii
royal kernel
Hi
limber knotBOT
๐
I can actually understand why some people would prefer to use this in work environments, a lot less distraction on the screen lol
Hi
You figured it out! Well done
tropic flame
What I do weong
after you connect to esper, and do the /msg nickserv identify thing, you click on the three dots button at the top right corner of the screen, click in "join channel" and type "#paper"
limber knotBOT
Yep ๐
limber knotBOT
Ty
tame tangle
new release???
tame tangle
hi bot ๐
formal kindle
Hi
viral hornet
new release???
I very much doubt it'll be a stable release, so I wouldn't put whatever jar he attaches in a production environment
tame tangle
I very much doubt it'll be a stable release, so I wouldn't put whatever jar he a...
its for testing broo
twin lagoon
@viral hornet go to bed cunt
tame tangle
released
viral hornet
<@!171898972330262538> go to bed cunt
It's 10:14AM ๐ฅบ
limber knotBOT
brave radish
@ancient bolt thank you for reacting
ancient bolt
of course
viral hornet
Cheers Den
limber knotBOT
My brain hurts no
viral hornet
(but lame reaction you should have used 
)
limber knotBOT
z750 is a motorbike
tame tangle
300 hours to upload to my server, shitty internet aaaaaaaaahhhhhh
tame tangle
What are you internet speeds lol
bro i live in brazil, here is very shitty internet, i pay dearly and i don't have a good connection
loookk
ancient bolt
(but lame reaction you should have used <:z750:398248768346259456>)
there
viral hornet
Ayeee!
limber knotBOT
needs more paper chan tbh
viral hornet
Ty Den ๐ฅบ
tame tangle
272kb/s is fast
limber knotBOT
nice, you fixed the memor yissues
tame tangle
the average is 100kb/s
waxen panther
(but lame reaction you should have used <:z750:398248768346259456>)
fuck u
limber knotBOT
Hello, broccolai! :eyes:
viral hornet
haha
limber knotBOT
๐
I'm fine, thank you! Just came here to see how things are. I have been busy lately.
I also haven't joined through the IRC since a long time ago. :sweat_smile: I had forgot my nickserv password for a moment.
tame tangle
15 minutes for upload, the worst internet?
deep juniper
Whatever, my IRC client is a bit inconvenient to use. I'm on discord now!
waxen panther
camm WHAT are you rolling your eyes at
deep juniper
how are you
And what about you? ๐
broken rampart
๐
viral hornet
camm WHAT are you rolling your eyes at
Paul understands
I wasn't hungry, so I had a fruit smoothie, and now i'm starving
broken rampart
paul is also dead to me
๐ฅฆ
waxen panther
i am WONDERFUL, fiance
broken rampart
i had a good day thanks for asking
swift root
Sorry mobile
deep juniper
Damn, broccolai, that's kind of cold. o-o
viral hornet
brocc
swift root
The phone hates me so sorry b
viral hornet
Imma need you
deep juniper
Didn't know that side of yours.
viral hornet
To relax a bit
and love me again
There's a experimental build that was just uploaded in #โ-1-17
Happy Birthday for tomorrow!
deep juniper
Oh well, matters are calling me again. See you sometime later! โค๏ธ
viral hornet
limber knotBOT
oof, the latest commit took 13 minutes to build :S
waxen panther
goodbye paper chan love u
viscid wedge
broken rampart
๐ฅฆ
void void
very excited for 1.17 prod build
merry talon
brocc ur too young to have a fiance
viral hornet
He's already MARRIED SWEEPY
swift root
A two-timer?
merry talon
viral hornet
Possibly
waxen panther
she will understand
swift root
Mhmmmm no
waxen panther
she cheats on me daily anyway
viral hornet
Open relationships are becoming more and more popular
Happy for you and your Minecraft wife & paper chan, brocc xx
even though you HATE me
waxen panther
thanks
viscid wedge
merry talon
Open relationships are becoming more and more popular
God knows why
I can't think of anything worse
viral hornet
Each to their own
merry talon
No, it's people who can't accept the fact that someone doesn't want to be exclusive with them so they try to make it work half ass and then it just ends up in disaster
It's bad lol
merry talon
Idk, just can't see it any other way
viscid wedge
I don't really care what other consenting adults do in private
viral hornet
It's not "bad" just because you're not comfortable with the idea lol
viscid wedge
That shits not for me, but whatever
warm anchor
Open relationships are becoming more and more popular
I think with growing media and internet people just expose to it more. Wouldnโt say it ainโt popular before
viscid wedge
That too
potent fossil
I can't comprehend polygamy, which is what an open relationship is, but that doesn't mean it's bad. It's just not my cup of tea.
warm anchor
Same as stuff like crimes. The crime rate has gone down overall but it doesnโt feel like it coz in the past you ainโt going to hear about the murder some 5 towns over
tropic flame
just don't use it as a free pass to smash a new one every 2 days
everyone should know everyone involved
potent fossil
Depends on the relationship.
tropic flame
well, sure ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
potent fossil
It's a covenant made by a group of people, and what they do is up to them and really nobody can judge em. Even if they could, not like the group cares. :P
Not for me, that's fine. They can do what makes em happy.
anyway I got some new socks for my birthday
very good
potent fossil
I needed them too
cosmic raft
because you did not obtain Windows 11 legally, and pirating software discussions is against Discord ToS
so stop
warm anchor
I get messing around with stuffs when you are young but it is overwhelmingly always some 12 year old masterhackers that try to pull this shit
spice ether
Its kinda Microsoft fault for leaking it tho but who know what your downloading from some random site
warm anchor
This may come as a surprise but I am sure LTT already got permission from Microsoft to make that video ._.
spark moth
marketing.
spice ether
Yeah
spark moth
Windows 11 actually looks good
i just hope i don't fuck up my grub when i upgrade to win11
spark moth
it's for the dumb user
most people use phones
apple did the same with the new macos
rounding everything, making everything look like a phone
making the OS easy to understand for someone who had a phone for years but not a computer
spice ether
Also kinda funny that windows need new version number for some changes in UI while am using Ubuntu KDE and can tweak everything i freaking want
void void
so glad 1.17 came out on paper 
brave radish
It kind of didn't. It's highly experimental. Don't use it on your own world if you're making progress you want to keep/don't have backups.
void void
It kind of didn't. It's highly experimental. Don't use it on your own world if y...
no, im only using it for tests, not for serious progress
brave radish
Interesting... I'm getting
[01:11:28 WARN]: Boat (vehicle of username) moved wrongly!
spammed in the console
I wasn't riding a boat...
balmy swan
Herobrine ๐ณ
brave radish
.github
limber knotBOT
Paper's Main GitHub repo: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper
brave radish
I've been told bugs for that go there too
tame tangle
ok
marsh lion
when hypixel & mineplex are down but your still waiting on paper for vanilla
languid karma
brave radish
||Imagine if we could just use new releases from Mojang||
warm anchor
is that why we get more kids??? Please put hypixel back online thanks!!
marsh lion
Theyโll be offline for atleast 24 hours - their forums post that is currently down
brave radish
WOW I live on an island on my survival server, and neither I nor any of my friends have once gotten a trident from any of the countless drowned who have come to attack us. I kill one mob on the experimental build, it's a drowned with a trident, and it drops
glass delta
why u play with my feelings like that 
void void
lol
thorny totem
RIP novaskin.me
void void
?
thorny totem
404'd minecraft.novaskin.me
warm anchor
cool. Thanks for letting us know. The paper dev will work on getting the website backup
swift root
@brave radish for someone using semicolons in their messages... https://i.imgur.com/Qyo9aGk.png shaaame
brave radish
what's wrong with that?
brave radish
idk
but I can
maybe FF cached the whole thing or something before DenWav deleted it
brave radish
hmm DenWav in my timezone?
swift root
probably
brave radish
thought you were in germany or something like everyone else here
swift root
that's ok I'm from the left middle
warm anchor
hmm DenWav in my timezone?
wow you guys are almost in the best timezone but eastern is still the best.
warm anchor
wtf wtf wtf!
paper pagoda
Paper's Main GitHub repo: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper
imagine not using GitLab ๐
why are you booing me i'm right
turbid spade
test
swift root
wtf wtf wtf!
warm anchor
viscid wedge
only one plugin completely incompatible with 1.17 damn
that's pretty good
(terra)
warm anchor
https://i.imgur.com/jiosYWv.png
Larry I have question on how the hell do you have all those pictures ready
swift root
I do not, the all knowing google provides them at my whim
waxen panther
wtf is going on
swift root
hello broccolai
waxen panther
nkjbdhsfa
granite gull
only one plugin completely incompatible with 1.17 damn
Do you guys have any info on GeyserMC?
About how it's working with paper
cold pumice
Mountain time!
viscid wedge
I have no affiliation to Paper or Geyser
waxen panther
ceo of geyser
brave radish
It works fine with 1.16 at least
viscid wedge
my guess would be it does not work yet
granite gull
I have no affiliation to Paper or Geyser
Yeah I'm asking in general
paper pagoda
geyser itself is updated
brave radish
dunno if you're asking in general or with 1.17
paper pagoda
they have a server
granite gull
It works fine with 1.16 at least
It's updated to 1.17 since release date
I'm asking about if it's working with paper
granite gull
Thx
brave radish
I'm asking about if it's working with paper
Well it did in 1.16. I haven't used it since then and I also don't have Bedrock so I can't tell you more.
granite gull
Well it did in 1.16. I haven't used it since then and I also don't have Bedrock ...
Yeah the server I'm in uses it, and we're waiting paper to update so we can add it back to the sv
viscid wedge
you don't have to wait, ViaVersion works as well
granite gull
don't use paper yet though
Yeah ik
viscid wedge
The server you are connecting to has to support the latest version of Minecraft Java Edition (at this time this is Minecraft 1.17) The server itself does not have to be the latest version but does have to allow connections. If you're running the server on an older version, you can use the plugin ViaVersion
from geyser docs
granite gull
you don't have to wait, ViaVersion works as well
Never heard of it, will report it to the server owner and see if he can add it
brave radish
Most servers use Via after an update comes out
granite gull
The problem is we've been using paper so idk if it'll keep our itens and things like that
I hope so
brave radish
Via will
viscid wedge
it's just a spigot plugin
brave radish
is a Via dev
granite gull
Ok, thanks guys
viscid wedge
no problem
magic river
๐ค
unkempt drift
yep, got two of those
cosmic raft
lmao
glass delta
new windows 11 app progress bar isn't a whole green background anymore, more mac os vibes
unkempt drift
Lol, the HBO email is trending #2 on Twitter
lean knot
new windows 11 app progress bar isn't a whole green background anymore, more mac...
from what i've seen of win 11 thus far it's just Windows but it feels like Mac
so setting the bar even lower than before
brave radish
๐
glass delta
from what i've seen of win 11 thus far it's just Windows but it feels like Mac
yepp that's what i've been getting so far, and some linux vibes too with the new start menu
warm anchor
iCarly new ep???
lean knot
yepp that's what i've been getting so far, and some linux vibes too with the new...
"linux" meaning... GNOME? KDE? MATE?
glass delta
KDE
lean knot
KDE
ah, i've never actually used KDE. I use GNOME, but i've been meaning to try KDE for a while
eventuallyโข๏ธ i probably will
but honestly if i do end up switching it'll most likely just end up "KDE but configured to act like my GNOME install's configuration" lol
glass delta
lmao same here
golden gust
gnome 2 master DE
brave radish
never had to unlock a world before. All you do is remove world/session.lock, right?
potent fossil
If you're 100% certain it isn't locked by a running server, yes
If it just crashed and didn't clean up, then yep
brave radish
I just killed the server ๐
cunning adder
ah, i've never actually used KDE. I use GNOME, but i've been meaning to try KDE ...
kde has a lot of customisation in terms of themes and stuff
brave radish
I had a chunk that was killing the server but somehow a SIGKILL fixed it so now I can't report the bug ๐
potent fossil
F
potent fossil
That's really all you can use for now
void void
oof ok
brave radish
All the other good ones are forks of Paper
void void
yea
potent fossil
Once Paper is out, then all the other forks will start updating
void void
like what are the others?
unkempt drift
craftbukkit
potent fossil
Tuinity, Purpur
void void
craftbukkit <:kekwhyper:674093681904713729>
god no not again
brave radish
Purpur is a fork of Tuinity which is a fork of Paper (which is a fork of Spigot which is a fork of CraftBukkit...)
potent fossil
is purpur downstream of paper or downstream of tuinity
potent fossil
oh ok
unkempt drift
also, the fork to end all forks....
void void
i used to use spigot so im most used to spigot anyway
unkempt drift
the one and only...
brave radish
ssssssssh
potent fossil
im scared
patent charm
Does bukkit even update anymore?
potent fossil
no
potent fossil
well, md_5 maintains a private bukkit fork for himself to build spigot
unkempt drift
most of md_5s merged changes are to bukkit/craftbukkit
potent fossil
so yes but also no
unreal quarry
is purpur downstream of paper or downstream of tuinity
both. i cant just be downstream of just tuinity or i'll be a month behind paper all the time ๐ so i keep them separate so i can upstream both of them separately
potent fossil
both. i cant just be downstream of just tuinity or i'll be a month behind paper ...
gotcha
proud lance
how come memes was archived btw?
brave radish
#gifs-and-memes
void void
Wait is spigot a fork of craftbukkit?
brave radish
"Yes."
brave radish
Spigot itself is. CraftBukkit is now maintained by Spigot though
void void
With plug-in support
brave radish
Well not CB ๐
nocturne agate
Paper or tuinity
void void
I used to use CB
brave radish
You at least want Paper or a fork of Paper
brave radish
and not Yatopia
unkempt drift
The one with all the arrows pointing to it must be the best right?
nocturne agate
thankfully they mention it at least
unkempt drift
Whatโs Hydrinity?
nocturne agate
Thats Hyalus ur talking about no?
brave radish
Hydrinity is just a random Tuinity fork with experimental stuff like Fish and all those
brave radish
Fabric mod
nocturne agate
Oh
brave radish
think it's by a Velocity dev but idk
[02:57:18 ERROR]: Chunk file at [-18, 9] is in the wrong location. (Expected [-18, 9], got [-11, 11])
[02:57:18 ERROR]: Chunk file at [-12, 3] is in the wrong location. (Expected [-12, 3], got [-25, 6])
[02:57:19 ERROR]: Chunk file at [-21, 10] is in the wrong location. (Expected [-21, 10], got [-13, 9])
[02:57:19 ERROR]: Chunk file at [-22, 9] is in the wrong location. (Expected [-22, 9], got [-11, 13])
[02:57:19 ERROR]: Chunk file at [-22, 13] is in the wrong location. (Expected [-22, 13], got [-16, 17])
[02:57:19 ERROR]: Chunk file at [-15, 15] is in the wrong location. (Expected [-15, 15], got [-11, 18])
[02:57:20 ERROR]: Chunk file at [-15, 16] is in the wrong location. (Expected [-15, 16], got [-15, 11])
[02:57:20 ERROR]: Chunk file at [-17, 17] is in the wrong location. (Expected [-17, 17], got [-13, 15])
well that's not good
so that chunk that was killing the server earlier didn't get fixed; it got removed or broken even more ๐
ancient bolt
so was it new or old
brave radish
oh sorry
the first "new" meant it was the new build that did it
the second msg meant that I'm pretty sure I generated that on 1.16
ancient bolt
would be more helpful if you ran the new build on a newly generated world
we aren't including fixes for worlds which were already corrupted from the first build
ah but this is from 1.17
brave radish
it wasn't
golden gust
that's a borked region file
brave radish
I'm gonna restore the region file from a backup and see if it happens again
ancient bolt
I just do mappings & tooling - once you get inside the minecraft code I'm clueless lol
brave radish
at least --forceUpgrade with these builds isn't setting my seed to 0 like the first few 1.16 builds did ๐
ancient bolt
1.17 is the most complicated Paper update ever for a whole lot of reasons. Hence the update taking longer.
But build 3 seems pretty good for the most part (from what I can see). So we should be getting close to the final step of the update process which will be setting up actual official test-builds and merging dev/1.17 into master
Unless we discover something catastrophic in build 3 that is
void void
I hope you guys donโt
brave radish
Erm.. don't wanna be a nay-sayer, but build 3 seems pretty catastrophic to me
ancient bolt
Erm.. don't wanna be a nay-sayer, but build 3 seems pretty catastrophic to me
Have you opened relevant issues on github?
void void
Whatโs a good backup script/plug-in?
ancient bolt
we need to be able to track these things lol
brave radish
For one problem, yes. The rest of them I'm still working on figuring out what exactly the issues even are ๐
void void
And also what are some nice plugins for a SMP (1.17)
brave radish
Whatโs a good backup script/plug-in?
Backups are best done outside of the server, including outside of plugins
brave radish
And also what are some nice plugins for a SMP (1.17)
As for that one, I like a plugin that puts coordinates in the action bar, not that that's an integral feature lol
void void
I mean just world backups just in case someone tnts everything
brave radish
Well in case of TNT, Prism
void void
As for that one, I like a plugin that puts coordinates in the action bar, not th...
The action barโฆ.
Whatโs that lmao
brave radish
The action barโฆ.
The place where the message goes when you can't sleep cuz there are monsters
void void
Well in case of TNT, Prism
Ah thanks
willow robin
I mean just world backups just in case someone tnts everything
Coreprotect helps with rollbacks in-game for stuff like that along with a lot of other useful stuff
brave radish
(Prism is like Coreprotect btw)
willow robin
Ah gotcha
brave radish
For real backups, just copying the folders, or something like rdiffbackup if you wanna be fancy
void void
Iโll recheck my plugins folder
Ok thanks!
First Ima get a ssd for my server pc lmao
Itโs an old laptop hdd rn
uncut venture
guys anyone has any expected date for paper 1.17 release
rustic valve
We call those trash can bricks
proud lance
guys anyone has any expected date for paper 1.17 release
.eta
limber knotBOT
(See also #โ-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785
rustic valve
For you, never! 
uncut venture
๐
untold copper
if you get this reference then you're a true gamer
ancient bolt
@brave radish these are all of the issue we currently have reported for 1.17 lol https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/projects/13
we definitely need more reports
golden gust
I just added it
brave radish
ah
golden gust
was looking over the issues
brave radish
<@!730149366345629786> these are all of the issue we currently have reported for...
but yeah I know I'm no use if I find 80 bugs and don't report them. That weird region error appeared to be a one-time thing or something cuz I tried the same build on the same backup of the world and no problem
(tried it twice, actually; maybe three times)
ancient bolt
we'll try to add new issues to the project when they are created so we don't forget
will be easier to track
night ivy
I will use paper 1.17 on my server.
Even if it's a test version
As long as it's still available
night ivy
what do you mean
willow delta
hasnt happened to me yet, although my world was generated in 1.17
brave radish
well has happened to like seven other people
ancient bolt
I thought someone mentioned disappearing TEs was fixed in build 2?
guess it's not hmm
brave radish
That was me
because leaf posted a patch and Machine closed the issue so I assumed it was
but it isn't, hence reopened
ancient bolt
gotcha
brave radish
The rest of my strange problems appear to have been one-time, but I'll do some more breaking of things tomorrow
also, I just noticed DenWav's pfp is a kitty
well two
willow delta
so if i wanted to try and replicate the bug, i would just have to unload and reload a chunk?
brave radish
yup
brave radish
or, at least, that's how it works for me and some other people in #paper-help and #paper-dev
willow delta
i unfortunately can confirm that i just successfully replicated the bug
ancient bolt
if it makes you feel better we currently have no idea what's causing it lol
viscid wedge
Solution: patch that keeps every chunk loaded forever
viscid wedge
lmao really
brave radish
but they probably don't get saved when the server stops either
viscid wedge
that's fucking hilarious
brave radish
lmao really
at least a while ago save-off would stop chunks from unloading, yeah
idk if that's the case anymore
drowsy maple
Hey guys i have an VPS with 8GB RAM and now i just don't use it anymore instead of leaving it idle and wasting my money i wanted to create a minecraft server. Is it still worth it? cause there are already a lot of them
true canyon
if it makes you feel better we currently have no idea what's causing it lol
I feel so much better now!
brave radish
Hey guys i have an VPS with 8GB RAM and now i just don't use it anymore instead ...
If you want to make money and have a big server, I'd say you need a lot more than a small VPS anyway
brave radish
I feel so much better now!
I don't :(
main sorrel
Hey guys i have an VPS with 8GB RAM and now i just don't use it anymore instead ...
depends on what kind of server you want to make.
brave radish
I assumed when I opened that bug that some dev would come along and be like "oh, yeah, we put an extra ! in an if statement :pepela:" and it'd be done but ig not
drowsy maple
depends on what kind of server you want to make.
Possibly Survival, Creative, RPG, Minigames, Skyblock that kinda stuff
viscid wedge
8 GB of RAM won't host all that lmao
main sorrel
yeah
viscid wedge
Good evening Mrs. Coral
main sorrel
basically all it'd do is be able to run a server for friends
potent fossil
thanks zombie
brave radish
.g is simple good at this
limber knotBOT
patent charm
Y'all are doing god's work with paper development โค๏ธ
potent fossil
aight it's late so bye; ping me if you need extremely messed up region files
๐
tough depot
I got excellent help in here last night, with ideas for where to start learning to code for myself and my son. Tonight I have a different question: I'm running 6 different Minecraft "servers" (basically, 2 Bungeecord networds) for our school. 5 of them are working perfectly. One keeps randomly crashing. The crash reports aren't at all consistent, and have very little the same from instance to instance. One time we had 19 kids playing at the same time. Another time there was only one student in the world. Another time there were 15 online. And once there were 4 of us. Are there "key words" or anything I should be looking for to figure out what's going on? I really don't want to have to wipe the world to get it the SMP server to work properly (it's the most popular for the 6th grade and up crowd).
potent fossil
I would need to see the different crash reports to help out
viscid wedge
If you are comfortable giving me full logs from startup to crash, I can probably tell you what's causing it
patent charm
Man I wish I had teachers like Mrs. Coral when I was in school
potent fossil
I had a few very good teachers. If Minecraft had existed then I'm sure they would have been all over it
viscid wedge
Also, bungee networks wow, you're not messing around
main sorrel
yeah bungee is a PITA to get set-up
potent fossil
Very admirable. I mean, the kids can't get together and play at recess, so Minecraft is such a great idea
viscid wedge
For sure
tough depot
I have fought HARD to get these servers, and the whole explanation was "THIS IS THEIR PLAYGROUND when they can't meet in person!"
It's been an uphill battle with administration, but I'm glad to have been the one to fight for these kids.
tough depot
If you are comfortable giving me full logs from startup to crash, I can probably...
How's the best way to get the logs to you?
potent fossil
.paste @tough depot
Then, you can either post them in this channel (publicly) or if soup is ok with it DM them
limber knotBOT
Please paste large logs to a pastebin: https://paste.gg
tough depot
Thanks! Working on getting the pastebin data.
void void
hey, whats the estimated ETA on paper 1.17?
golden gust
.eta
limber knotBOT
(See also #โ-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785
viscid wedge
How's the best way to get the logs to you?
Same link as above
Or any sort of Pastebin, I'm not picky
viscid wedge
yeah bungee is a PITA to get set-up
Bungee is annoying, but it's not super agonizing. If you need help with setting it up lmk
I use Velocity personally, but I'm familiar with the process
warm anchor
is there even any advantage using bungee over Velocity?
viscid wedge
Just plugin compatibility
wispy blade
gonna write all my proxy plugins for waterfall and velocity bro
viscid wedge
Pull a ViaVersion and support Spigot, Velocity, Fabric, and Bungee in the same jar
true canyon
AyyMD stonks+5.55%
nvidia +4.76% too ๐ฅณ
wispy blade
yeah but i only have stocks in amd lol
warm anchor
wow Naomi ceo of AyyMD soon?
weary path
Thank you to the devs putting in all the hard work! I don't have time to test the experimental Jar yet but our server is excited that we're almost to the official one!!!
warm anchor
btw you may wanna wait for 1.17.1 now
void void
Was 1.17 meant to come with any performance increases? Or is it more or less the same as 1.16.5. Sorry if this has been asked a million times already
wispy blade
varies for everyone
void void
@warm anchor What have I missed that we should wait lol
wispy blade
simplest deduction would be that 1.17.1 is on its way and paper isn't done with 1.17 yet
warm anchor
<@!177150983258767360> What have I missed that we should wait lol
Mojang will release 1.17.1 for some fixes
void void
Have some major issues already been found? Apologies I haven't kept up