general

[honest quartz]

both

[meager tusk]

i remember people blaming that

[golden gust]

So

[ashen cliff]

https://eurocom.com/ec/configure(2,477,0)EUROCOM_SkyZ7R2

[golden gust]

Apple basically designed their hardware for the expected TDP

and basically, intel didn't deliver the expected TDP

[rich elbow]

yea, also under 2kE and under 1.5kg

[plucky sparrow]

No, Intel promised 10nm, so Apple redesigned the MacBooks to make them thinner as they would take advantage of the 10nm process, however, Intel failed to do so, and Apple had to use 14nm CPUs which overheated the MacBooks

[meager tusk]

Based intel.

[ashen cliff]

If your laptop doesn't have like 4.5kg, it ain't a laptop bro.

[meager tusk]

"Want 10nm? Too bad."

[rich elbow]

"laptop"

[twin lagoon]

Bro.

[meager tusk]

"Here have 14 and fuck your design"

[golden gust]

part of why I'm glad that apple is moving on to their own chips

[ashen cliff]

I live with the GT80, my back has a 6 pack at this point.

[golden gust]

even if it does kinda fucking suck ass in some respects

[plucky sparrow]

I'm really hyped for the M2

[void void]

If your excited for paper 1.17 and you really wanna show it clap your hands

[plucky sparrow]

Hopefully everything switches to arm

[golden gust]

But, I mean, everybody is looking towards ARM these days

[zenith scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/excited-hockey-kid-yeah-gif-10474493

[meager tusk]

@ashen cliff Don't tell them about KGBCPU.

[rich elbow]

well personally I don't even have laptop anymore but if I had to pick something it would be second hand thinkpad without dedicated gpu, i5 and long battery

but that's just me ig

[wispy blade]

second hand and long battery is like me and smart

[meager tusk]

I'd get a macbook.

[plucky sparrow]

I'm really happy to see Intel dying

[plucky sparrow]

oh yess same

[rich elbow]

what? they're still producing 14nm+++++++++++ CPUs

they're not dying

😂

[golden gust]

I mean, they're not dying, but, they are feeling a bit of the burn

AMD finally caught up to them after years of producing space heaters

[plucky sparrow]

They're getting severely burnt on many sides

Apple, AMD

[golden gust]

Apple moving away from intel as they can't deliver

[rich elbow]

but there were some leaks of their 10nm bga cpus recently? so I take it 12th, 13th gen might be 10nm?

[golden gust]

many OEMs switching to ryzen CPUs or offering intel and AMD options at the same time for once

[rich elbow]

wasn't following this too closely

[plucky sparrow]

I would've gotten an AMD cpu if it wasn't because I wanted to build a Hackintosh

[golden gust]

The issue is that intel often overstates shit

[wispy blade]

can confirm my FX-6300 is a space heater

[golden gust]

they over promise consistently and don't deliver for years

[meager tusk]

You can do this with an AMD cpu too?

Pretty sure

[rich elbow]

yea... like for example... TDP, just a number... magic number in fact

[plucky sparrow]

It's WAY more painful

[honest quartz]

Waiting for it to do its thing

[golden gust]

So, yea, they may have 10nm on the way, but they consistently burn themselves in the process

[plucky sparrow]

Intel is just plug and play

[rich elbow]

plug and burn

[meager tusk]

I reckon it probably is

[golden gust]

any OEM whos relying on intel to give them accurate timelines or specs for anything is basically placing massive levels of doubt on intel

[honest quartz]

Okeeee here we go

[plucky sparrow]

I literally got a $100 wifi card just to get airdrop and I don't even use it 😭

[wispy blade]

my laptop runs at like 50 degrees when tasked with playing a youtube video

gg intel

[ashen cliff]

AsRock.

[golden gust]

airdrop is meh

[void void]

Hey DenWav and the team, just letting ya'll know we appreciate ya!

[golden gust]

last I tried it it was pretty fucking useless

Like, doesn't detect other machines here for me

[plucky sparrow]

AirDrop is really good but I can't see any situations where I'd use it

[golden gust]

maybe its' the fact that my other machine is outdated now, but, it's just easier to transfer files over the network

[honest quartz]

waiting for download

[rich elbow]

laptop >:|

[wispy blade]

meanwhile the PC: 30-40 degs

think i removed aida64 rip

[rich elbow]

[ashen cliff]

No undervolt bro?

[plucky sparrow]

Well I mean there's other benefits of getting a $100 wifi card for a Hackintosh machine

you can use sidecar!

[wispy blade]

pinged cat 👀

[honest quartz]

fan go vrom

[plucky sparrow]

(which doesn't work on my Hackintosh, probs bc some kext and I cba to look into it)

[golden gust]

I mean, I'd much rather just get another monitor and a dongle

[plucky sparrow]

I would too

[golden gust]

I mean, I already got the dongle, just gotta get another monitor

I can see the merits for sidecar though

Like, the number of times a second screen for my laptop would of been amazing

[plucky sparrow]

Well I mean there's universal control too

which is coming soon

[honest quartz]

Tfw you find out you have 18 versions of the driver installed

[rich elbow]

more is always better

[golden gust]

Well, yea, but, it's just a glorified version of synergy

[honest quartz]

Nonono

[golden gust]

Please don't

[rich elbow]

😂

[golden gust]

they're working on a new build, no need to trip people up over issues which have already been fixed

[honest quartz]

Damnit its failing the driver installation

[twin lagoon]

paper 1.17 looking nice

[rich elbow]

at least u won't need x-ray textures anymore

[twin lagoon]

considering i'm using quite a few fabric mods

probably

[rich elbow]

😂

[honest quartz]

Damnit

[twin lagoon]

well would you look at that

basic worldedit works on mojmapped paper

perfect

[rich elbow]

just WE?

[royal kernel]

Im just waiting to see if there is any change in performance

[rich elbow]

what about fawe? 😮

[twin lagoon]

no one cares about that

[rich elbow]

🔥

[royal kernel]

I do 😢

[honest quartz]

Restaring again

Hope it fixes it

oop

nvm

Reinstalling drivers is so stressful

[plucky sparrow]

it's the best part

[honest quartz]

lmao no

[brave radish]

Would anyone mind abusing their mod perms to put a and/or a on the last message in #❗-1-17 ?

[honest quartz]

Because it says it fails the installation

[plucky sparrow]

thats too bad

[honest quartz]

uh

ive got a meeting in 3 hours and i kinda wanna be there

lmao it didnt restart

[olive marlin]

I would if I could

[swift root]

Same

[twin lagoon]

larry

bloodstone

[olive marlin]

michale

[brave radish]

oh I thought all mods could do that. Is it only Kashike?

*DenWav

(I thought Kashike posted it)

[swift root]

Maintainer and up

[barren yacht]

Wow no ETA, we all get excited for update today but now have to wait for whenever they decide to update. Poor service

[twin lagoon]

wat

[rich elbow]

I agree, you can probably do better... pls do 😮

[brave radish]

Michael you were there

[brave radish]

it's the new copypasta

[olive marlin]

!mute @barren yacht 7d ETA - poor service

[thorny flicker]

:raised_hands: Muted Euan#7980 for 7 days (ETA - poor service) [3 total infractions] -- Prof_Bloodstone#0123.

[twin lagoon]

o

[mossy vessel]

Awesome copy pasta

[swift root]

Another ETA comment from anyone who already knows better and I'll lose my shit

[twin lagoon]

lmao

[nova plume]

Lmao

[olive marlin]

Don't care about copy pasta.

[narrow sun]

Rip

[twin lagoon]

what people should be caring about is kabanosy

[brave radish]

nor do I; just saying lol

[olive marlin]

Rules are rules. Shut up about ETA - it gets tiring when you see the same crap all the time.

[honest quartz]

What people should be caring about is why the fuck my drivers wont install

[wispy blade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoULsBN9xH4

they should be caring about drum & bass on the bike

[honest quartz]

Win 10

[rich elbow]

tried Win 7 yet?

[honest quartz]

it jusr says 'failed to install one or more of device drivers' then closes

Lmaoooo

[honest quartz]

Doubt iris xe will run on 7

[rich elbow]

u can just disable that, problem solved?

[honest quartz]

bruh

[nova plume]

There aren't graphics?

[rich elbow]

btw for laptops some of manufactures would pack in old/bad drivers

and its generally rather hard to get rid of those

[twin lagoon]

have fun reinstalling every new build

[rich elbow]

DDU + clean install from intel's site

would generally fix the issue

[honest quartz]

But... the drivers are alr uninstalled and now

[rich elbow]

are they? are they also removed from the system? like actually removed?

https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-uninstaller-download.html

[rich elbow]

last time I was messing with this I was unable to fully uninstall them without DDU

and regardless of what I tried installing it kept loading old/bad drivers

[static moat]

Wow no ETA, we all get excited for update today but now have to wait for whenever they decide to update. Poor service

[narrow sun]

Wow no ETA, we all get excited for update today but now have to wait for whenever they decide to update. Poor service

[wispy blade]

people really want mutes huh

[honest quartz]

Ready for the mute?

[vernal moth]

can you guys not?

[olive marlin]

!mute @narrow sun 7d ETA - poor service

[thorny flicker]

:raised_hands: Muted Legendarybob#0738 for 7 days (ETA - poor service) [1 total infraction] -- Prof_Bloodstone#0123.

[vernal moth]

I hate having to moderate

[honest quartz]

oop its working i think

[olive marlin]

!mute @static moat 7d ETA - poor service

[thorny flicker]

:raised_hands: Muted Kronus#1984 for 7 days (ETA - poor service) [1 total infraction] -- Prof_Bloodstone#0123.

[rich elbow]

dunno I'd try DDU, restart, then install latest from intel

[honest quartz]

Yep its working

[rich elbow]

👍

[honest quartz]

I alr uninstalled, im downloading latest from intel rn lmao

[rich elbow]

I think without DDU the issue is old driver would stay somewhere... even after it's uninstalled and would later cause problems

[honest quartz]

Uhm

[golden gust]

uninstalling from device manager doesn't remove it from the OSes driver catalogue

[rich elbow]

yea

[honest quartz]

Im pretty sure doing what intel says on their website should work?

its worked before for me

lmao

[golden gust]

instructions on sites are generally there for the laymen

Sometimes when windows borks itself, harder enforcement is required

[rich elbow]

unless they're assuming ur working on clean install and they can't cover all scenarios

and what zzzCat said

[honest quartz]

Preparing to get the "errors are nromal" responses

[rich elbow]

windows update is a great thing... when it's working

[wispy blade]

but when does it ever work

[rich elbow]

😂

[honest quartz]

ThEsE eRrOrS aRe NoRmAl

[golden gust]

windows update?

Nah, that's legacy

It's all microsoft update these days 😎

[honest quartz]

Smh those errors are causing bsods

And im tired of it

[golden gust]

fun fact

[honest quartz]

lmao

[wispy blade]

just dont bsod lmao

[honest quartz]

Oop it worked

[honest quartz]

._.

[golden gust]

The update tool in XP had an algorithm which worked like log(n)

[tame tangle]

windows 11 is the future

i cant wait for day 24

[golden gust]

Wiat, not that exactly

[honest quartz]

first this is a windows laptop, no linux for me

[wispy blade]

it can be a linux laptop if you want to

[golden gust]

But, basically, each update installed would double the time spent checking for updates

[honest quartz]

Stop telling me

[golden gust]

They finally fixed that, like, right before they EOL'd windows

[wispy blade]

regular microsoft behaviour :p

[rich elbow]

56M? lol

woah, I still can't decide between 2288g and 5800x

[twin lagoon]

if you need multiple servers

2288g

[honest quartz]

LESGOOOOO IT WORKED

[rich elbow]

for spigot nodes

but yea multiple nodes

[honest quartz]

Lemme boot mc up see if my fps is still ass

[rich elbow]

4,5 maybe 6 spigot instances 🔥

[ashen cliff]

Should work fine on the Xeon.

[rich elbow]

it's 10d wait time tho

only 24-72h for AMD

[warm anchor]

Ofcoz to prepare those take times

[rich elbow]

5800x with only 64g ram is 120s

which can be a few hours with OVH

[warm anchor]

Yes it’s almost like it is based on popularity and rarity of order

[rich elbow]

and if on top of it you want them all in the same DC ... it usually gets even worse

especially GRA

[opal sorrel]

Hi

[warm anchor]

Well people who do project this big dont just wake up one meowing and be like hmm I need to rent this $200 server

[honest quartz]

LESGOO FPS IS BETTER

[rich elbow]

why? I mean I'm just wondering cause I'm not too sure at this point lol

[honest quartz]

it worked 🙂

[ashen cliff]

Michael loves his virtual networking.

[rich elbow]

yea they're like we're movin from 1 DC to another... we want 5 and we want them now

😂

[rich elbow]

well in my experience on intel stuff generally just works... out of the box

amd on the other hand... can be tricky

not always but yea

[honest quartz]

time to load up beam

[ashen cliff]

Both worked fine for me.

[rich elbow]

good to know 🙂

[ashen cliff]

But I do like touching the bios...

Thanks Hetzner.

[rich elbow]

😂

[twin lagoon]

to be fair

separate network interface

[ashen cliff]

But, do you really need it?

[twin lagoon]

depends on how much network throughput

[ashen cliff]

1Gbps each.

[twin lagoon]

i've had plenty of cases where i could say that one single 1gbps line isn't gonna cut it

[honest quartz]

what are we talking about again?'

[ashen cliff]

Like my torrenting expeditions?

[twin lagoon]

Bro.

[rich elbow]

lol

[twin lagoon]

Illegal.

[rich elbow]

not if ur seeding ubuntu

wait...

[twin lagoon]

Especially if it's Ubuntu.

Needs more KGBLinux

[rich elbow]

😂

[warm anchor]

Y’all don’t put your family picture in a torrent?

[ashen cliff]

It's just 20TB right now bro!

[twin lagoon]

KGBLinux

[wispy blade]

Need KGBLinux.

[thorn rampart]

Hey does anyone know why Fix server crash issues and other major issues discovered before test builds are released is not marked as complete on GitHub while we are getting test builds already?
Do the builds we are getting now not count as test builds?

[rich elbow]

photo taken at Computer History Museum

[vernal bone]

No, I just use my full name as my username, and my home address as my hostname

[wispy blade]

test builds are to test if the issues are fixed

[potent fossil]

You are not getting test builds. There is an EXPERIMENTAL build that you should not be using.

Test != experimental

[olive marlin]

It was yeeted.

[golden gust]

experimental was early to test some stuff

[thorn rampart]

Thank you, didn't realize those were different!

[golden gust]

Also, doing stuff is something we much prefer to do than tryna keep some random page update

[olive marlin]

Yeah. There will be proper test builds

It might lag behind a bit sometimes.

[potent fossil]

The experimental build was for devs/bug hunters to use locally and find bugs and help out the devs finishing up the update.

Then test builds are for the users to use and do bughunting (but still no production usage hopefully)

Tho I'm sure some will

[olive marlin]

Yes?

[rich elbow]

why even bother? it's like "can I ask a question?" well dunno... can you? lol

[potent fossil]

Troll

[rich elbow]

lol

[ashen cliff]

Is it a ban request?

[warm anchor]

Troll for sure

[main python]

wtf

[rich elbow]

it sure looks like it

[olive marlin]

Hmm?

[cunning raft]

!ban @void void trolling

[thorny flicker]

:raised_hands: Banned CharlieBeam#6271 (trolling) [1 total infraction] -- Joshie#0001.

[warm anchor]

Lol

[viral hornet]

ugh

that was lame

[potent fossil]

It was the poor service dude again

Same guy

[olive marlin]

Aww, JRoy stealing my ban smh

[royal kernel]

Imagine trolling

[brave radish]

at least better than last time

[quasi valley]

jroy best Paper moderator

[potent fossil]

fact!

Yeah, and it's not funny lol

[rich elbow]

meh, if u ignore him long enough he will wither away 😄

[olive marlin]

When someone does it the first time - it's funny for the first 5 minutes.

Later it just gets annoying.

[golden gust]

I mean, that's the issue, I've yet to see somebody have an actual original joke

[potent fossil]

Of course ignoring works but jroy is very stronk and loves to swing heavy objects at misbehaving people

[left swift]

Ur an original joke cat

[golden gust]

Like, then theres the annoying people who do the whole entitled BS that when people joke about it, it's just tiring af

[royal kernel]

The height society

[rich elbow]

well yea but at this point it's not even funny anymore, they're certainly not helping and if anything they're delaying updates... at which point what's the idea? do they really think they can annoy enough to get ppl to push out some semi-stable version?

that's some big big big brains

too big to fit the skull probably

[potent fossil]

They're young kids and probably half the time don't realize just how annoying they're being

[left swift]

Hi simple

[potent fossil]

Hi bby

[worldly karma]

Hey, im about to buy an ovh server

[magic river]

Poor service? I didn't realize you guys had paying customers

[worldly karma]

I have around 100 ppl tryna connect

so I wanna know which is better

Infra-2

https://us.ovhcloud.com/bare-metal/infra/infra-2/

[brave radish]

apparently so; see IRC logs for #paper-help

[warm anchor]

Yes that’s the best one you can get rn

[worldly karma]

or this

https://us.ovhcloud.com/bare-metal/game/game-2/

GAME-2

[ashen cliff]

Just use KGB hosting bro!

[waxen panther]

Infra-2 is best, 100 players on a single server wont happen though

[worldly karma]

Apparently the game 2 is better?

[rich elbow]

lol

[worldly karma]

How is it better?

Like comparing the 2

ryzen is better cpu

[rich elbow]

is it?

[worldly karma]

yeah faster in everything

[waxen panther]

infra-2 has better single core speed, unless that changed with ryzen 5

@twin lagoon ?

[rich elbow]

do you have benchmarks?

like anything concrete? cause I couldn't really find anything solid

[finite trench]

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/AMD-Ryzen-7-5800X-vs-Intel-Xeon-E-2288G/3869vs3546

[rich elbow]

that would show significant difference*

[finite trench]

Ryzen 7 faster single core

no?

https://tenor.com/view/am-i-right-or-am-i-right-stephen-tobolowsky-ned-groundhog-day-am-i-right-gif-16928011

[rich elbow]

https://cpu-comparison.com/de/amd-ryzen-7-5800x/intel-xeon-e-2288g/

probably, possibly lol

[worldly karma]

U sure?

[ashen cliff]

Depends™️.

At least Intel has constant performance.

[magic river]

Constantly worse? 😛

[rich elbow]

also depends on how many cores are going to be running on max turbo speeds

https://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/967/AMD_Ryzen_7_5800X_vs_Intel_Xeon_E_E-2288G.html

and how mobo is enforcing TDP/power limits

on intel that can make a HUGE difference

[worldly karma]

I don't think you can turbo it on OVH

[rich elbow]

u can

[worldly karma]

Also mc is single core right?

[magic river]

You're not going to get the ridiculous overclocking TDPs that consumer mobos give you, if nothing else than for thermal reasons

[rich elbow]

root@rip:~# lscpu
Architecture:        x86_64
CPU op-mode(s):      32-bit, 64-bit
Byte Order:          Little Endian
Address sizes:       39 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
CPU(s):              16
On-line CPU(s) list: 0-15
Thread(s) per core:  2
Core(s) per socket:  8
Socket(s):           1
NUMA node(s):        1
Vendor ID:           GenuineIntel
CPU family:          6
Model:               158
Model name:          Intel(R) Xeon(R) E-2288G CPU @ 3.70GHz
Stepping:            13
CPU MHz:             800.050
CPU max MHz:         5000.0000
CPU min MHz:         800.0000
BogoMIPS:            7392.00
Virtualization:      VT-x
L1d cache:           32K
L1i cache:           32K
L2 cache:            256K
L3 cache:            16384K
NUMA node0 CPU(s):   0-15
Flags:               fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx pdpe1gb rdtscp lm constant_tsc art arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl xtopology nonstop_tsc cpuid aperfmperf tsc_known_freq pni pclmulqdq dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx smx est tm2 ssse3 sdbg fma cx16 xtpr pdcm pcid sse4_1 sse4_2 x2apic movbe popcnt tsc_deadline_timer aes xsave avx f16c rdrand lahf_lm abm 3dnowprefetch cpuid_fault epb invpcid_single ssbd ibrs ibpb stibp ibrs_enhanced tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority ept vpid ept_ad fsgsbase tsc_adjust bmi1 avx2 smep bmi2 erms invpcid mpx rdseed adx smap clflushopt intel_pt xsaveopt xsavec xgetbv1 xsaves dtherm ida arat pln pts hwp hwp_notify hwp_act_window hwp_epp md_clear flush_l1d arch_capabilities

that's infra-2

[left swift]

[rich elbow]

goes to 5G as it should

but didn't test for how long

[magic river]

Intel CPUs, went locked by mobos to what Intel says they're actually rated for, aren't going to give you full core turbo

[rich elbow]

and what would cap it, probably not temp, but possibly tdp

[magic river]

TDP is temp 😛

[rich elbow]

lmao

[wispy blade]

tdp is thermal output

iirc

[rich elbow]

yea but directly affects temp lol

[left swift]

Thermal double penetration

Tdp

[rich elbow]

btw https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000055611/processors.html

The purpose of defining TDP is to provide system designers/integrators with a power target in order to help with proper thermal solution selection.

"proper" 😄

[golden gust]

OVH water cool their hardware last I knew

They're one of the few hosts who actually have a good cooling solution for these chips

[rich elbow]

they do temps are fine, but I don't think they would just open up all power limits

[golden gust]

I remember one host their i9s would constantly thermal throttle :L

[rich elbow]

we've talked about this before here iirc

even if CPU temps are fine

I'm pretty sure they're not water cooling VRMs and other stuff lol

[worldly karma]

So the infra-2 would be better?

Does anyone use the infra-2?

[rich elbow]

I can't really say, didn't had the chance to test it yet

[rich elbow]

yes

[worldly karma]

How many ppl can you hold?

without like

major tps dropage

[magic river]

afaik when given the same power and cooling support the 5800X will beat the 2288G in single core and multicore workloads

[rich elbow]

250 with 20TPS, 300 to 350 with drops on 16 TPS or so on custom 1.8 TacoSpigot

[ashen cliff]

Well, you are comparing an unlocked CPU with a locked one.

[rich elbow]

and running 6 spigot instances on each infra-2

[magic river]

I said same power 😛

[limber knot]

TacoSpigot is unsupported.

[magic river]

So no overclocking here

[worldly karma]

Would you be able to hold say 80 players on 1 world?

on 1.16

[finite trench]

bruh I mean 1.8 cant be compared to 1.13+

[ashen cliff]

Same power.

[rich elbow]

much love ❤️

[plucky sparrow]

yes

both Minecraft

[magic river]

Without overclocking they both have more or less the same TDP and real world power draw, iirc

[rich elbow]

we only had one testing server on 1.16.3 iirc but yea

gotta be careful to properly handle entities tho

and AI and idk what else lol

we're kinda pushing towards 1.16/17 just now since 1.8 dead

c-c-c

[magic river]

If you turn enough features off 200 players isn't that hard 😛

[worldly karma]

on 1.16 tho?

[golden gust]

Yes

[finite trench]

truth, works for minigames but if ur like survival, factions or whatever

u cant turn off too much

which is what @worldly karma is

[rich elbow]

again, 80 players is doable with 1.16 if u nerf it enough

[warm anchor]

Don’t even need to nerf too much

With no tick + mob density change

[rich elbow]

well cap general abuse... too many entities and stuff like that

or that

[magic river]

Paper by default already nerfs it quite a bit 😛

[warm anchor]

Players won’t notice

[rich elbow]

ah 🙂

[waxen panther]

i get 20tps on a not-that-optimised 70 player survival server with tuinity

i cant imagine paper is that far behind

[worldly karma]

What plan?

[magic river]

But no, if you don't pay attention to Minecraft mechanics you probably wouldn't notice a difference

[waxen panther]

infra-2

[finite trench]

Which dedi plan u using @waxen panther ?

[worldly karma]

infra-2?

Ah

[ashen cliff]

Same, tho I run like 8 different servers on a burning 9900k.

[rich elbow]

8? woah

also 2288G kinda is 9900k lol

[warm anchor]

It is

[ashen cliff]

Yeah, but mostly empty. Like 5-10 people on the other servers.

[warm anchor]

Just chunkier

[ashen cliff]

But everything I run is 1.16.5.
With ZGC.

[rich elbow]

now you see this?

5800x is fine, should be good, it's nice...

but everyone is running intel

😂

[ashen cliff]

I would get the Hetzner AyyMD offering, but I'm too lazy to transfer everything.

Also the fact that I would need way more than 3 hours to configure the bios.

[rich elbow]

😂

[willow delta]

hello!

ive been using paper for a while but just found out there was a discord

[brave radish]

hello

[royal kernel]

Hi

[wispy blade]

welcome :)

[warm anchor]

Hu Tao supremacy

[olive marlin]

Welcome!

[tropic flame]

lol i get 40 tps with my offbrand MC-Market build gg ez

[wispy blade]

only 40?

[ashen cliff]

Bro!

[wispy blade]

weak.

[warm anchor]

Bro!

[wispy blade]

i've heard krusic gets 200 tps with consistent 5mspt on KGBTuinity

[rich elbow]

just edit /tps put 5000 there

[warm anchor]

I prefer to run my Minecraft server as 144 tps so it matches my monitor refresh rate when it goes brrrrrrrrrrrrr

[rich elbow]

it's gonna be constant 5000TPS, bliss

[tropic flame]

milliseconds? sorry but my build runs at nanoseconds

[wispy blade]

then you don't have 40TPS bro

you have 40000 TPS

[tropic flame]

oh yes

sorry i suck at math

40000 tps go brrrrr

[wispy blade]

you meant to sent 40KTPS, right?

[tropic flame]

yes of course!

[wispy blade]

i gotchu bro

[tropic flame]

40KGBTPS

[wispy blade]

can you link me your build, bro?

[royal kernel]

40tps, with the occasional 200ms tick

[wispy blade]

i need to see this for myself

[rich elbow]

for consistent load I think https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-5800x/21.html or even https://community.amd.com/t5/processors/5800x-all-core-boost-issue/td-p/443732 is a bit more realistic scenario

I take it ovh cooling is fine, again no info on mobo till u actually order the server and checkout for urself

[tropic flame]

I've run servers with an AMD Athlon from 2004, you should be fine /s

[rich elbow]

and for @ashen cliff there's this https://www.overclockers.co.uk/forums/threads/5800x-boost-set-to-5050mhz-all-cores-with-amd-curve-optimizer.18906071/

[ashen cliff]

Bro!

[rich elbow]

well we're mainly trying to compare 2288 vs 5800x

[ashen cliff]

Now I just need a host that can cool it.

[wispy blade]

[ashen cliff]

Might as well ask Arnes to cool it for me.

[rich elbow]

yea good idea if u wanna run it at 2Ghz

[ashen cliff]

15 year old Xeons.

[rich elbow]

brand new

[warm anchor]

But those benchmark are under perfect world

[wispy blade]

just put your server in the Donau bro!

[rich elbow]

AMD 5800X AMD Curve Optimizer Boost set to 5050Mhz for all cores and good temperatures when PC gaming. So basically when all things are good thermal,electrical ETC all cores have the ability to boost up to 5050Mhz.

when gaming

[ashen cliff]

They probably running on this: https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/97935/intel-atom-processor-c3308-4m-cache-up-to-2-10-ghz.html

So never in Linux.

Since single core boosting is still broken.

[glass delta]

windows 11 lets u open 2 windows at once if they're side by side :o

[plucky sparrow]

Why use a nuc as home server when you can use a raspberry pi pff

[rich elbow]

tušhosting? 😂

lmao

[warm anchor]

Nuc is more powerful!

[wispy blade]

might actually look into nucs in the future

[plucky sparrow]

More expensive 🙄

I’m joking

I would ofc get a nuc

[warm anchor]

My cute nuc

[wispy blade]

oh wait i forgot intel comes with integrated graphics

[plucky sparrow]

Although old dell / hp PCs seem good enough for home servers

[plucky sparrow]

Not the F ones

[wispy blade]

looks at decomissioned pc "yeah that'll run just fine"

[ashen cliff]

They gave me like a 300€/month estimate for a 200W server with Gigabit.

[plucky sparrow]

Overkill ram 😩

[rich elbow]

gotta charge extra cause it's better, well ok maybe not better, but at least it's local

[plucky sparrow]

Hmm I might get another 8GBx2 ram kit so I can have 32 gb

[ashen cliff]

[warm anchor]

Just download more ram bro!

[rich elbow]

😂

[plucky sparrow]

Or even 16x2 for 48GB

[wispy blade]

need more ram myself, 8 gigs aint gonna cut it for minigames 😔

[warm anchor]

16G is suggested!

[wispy blade]

my old pc doesnt have 16 😔

prebuilt moment

[rich elbow]

nah... 1gb stick + 2gb + 4gb + 8gb

[plucky sparrow]

I’m fine with just 16GB but macOS says I have two free slots and it looks ugly

[ashen cliff]

Like bro. Get me some cheap COLO without too many rules. I'll just bring my 22k RPM fans and call it a day.

[golden gust]

nuc? too high of a form factor, imho

[ashen cliff]

Sir your servers it too loud.
Please leave.

[warm anchor]

Can mount it behind monitor coz it’s VESA comparable

[rich elbow]

ask em if they're sleeping there lol

[wispy blade]

servers? what servers?

[ashen cliff]

Couldn't.

[plucky sparrow]

What can you do with a raspberry pi

[wispy blade]

pihole

[plucky sparrow]

I’ve gotten an ice tower for it and idek why

[wispy blade]

you can host your discord bots on em

[plucky sparrow]

I’m using Google cloud for that

With the free trial

[wispy blade]

@ashen cliff bro how well does KGBTuinity run on an arduino

[ashen cliff]

Also give me cheap power and I'll just chill the server.

It runs.

[plucky sparrow]

I live in Spain so ping goes brrr

[ashen cliff]

Like you can connect bro!

[wispy blade]

bro!

awesome!

[rich elbow]

yea and some GPUs 😮

[ashen cliff]

No need for that.

[wispy blade]

ngl writing a server in C sounds like a """fun""" project 👀

[rich elbow]

ig it depends https://whattomine.com/gpus 😂

[viscid wedge]

I once ran paper on an OpenBSD VM with one CPU core and 2GB of RAM

It actually worked

[ashen cliff]

Bro! We only mine in MARIBOR UM!

[rich elbow]

lmao

they still do that?

[ashen cliff]

Yeah.

They did crack down on people having fridges tho.

[rich elbow]

well... wouldn't expect anything less lol

LOL

[ashen cliff]

You need to pay like a 10€/month premium for a fridge.

Tho mining is ok.

[rich elbow]

😂

[brave radish]

excuise me

.flags

[limber knot]

Optimized & Recommended JVM Startup Flags: https://mcflags.emc.gs

[olive marlin]

You are excused.

[steady sage]

Guys will paper have 1.2.5 compatibility

[rich elbow]

lol

[wispy blade]

???

[rich elbow]

u don't need paper for that u can host it from ur client, good luck

[ashen cliff]

Things I need: https://www.delta-fan.com/pfb0412en-e.html

[wispy blade]

some blowiematrons

[ashen cliff]

In that case you need: https://www.delta-fan.com/FFB1424UHE-M.html

[wispy blade]

nah im gonna get complaints from my parents bro

[ashen cliff]

You won't.

[rich elbow]

70.5dB(A) at 30kRPM?

kinda doubt that

[wispy blade]

that's a vacuum cleaner

don't want that next to me

[ashen cliff]

Now let me put 16 of them in a server.

[wispy blade]

cuz my headphones let through all sound even though they're closebacks

[rich elbow]

wanna rip out ur CPU?

[ashen cliff]

Always ambient.

500W just for the fans.

[wispy blade]

bro, that's nothing

KGBPSU will do 3 KW easy

[ashen cliff]

Fact bro!

https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/switches/catalyst-6500-series-switches/product_data_sheet0900aecd801c5c84.html

[wispy blade]

that's Cisco

we don't do Cisco here.

[ashen cliff]

It's Delta bro!

[rich elbow]

it is

and it's in stock

[rich elbow]

shocking

[ashen cliff]

Order me like 20. You already know where I live.

[rich elbow]

should I? 😮

[ashen cliff]

Give me a good reason no to.

[wispy blade]

i wish there was a tech support role in this discord ngl

cuz @brave radish definitely deserves it

[left swift]

What's confusing

[wispy blade]

i see a green and a blue pixel

[brave radish]

:pandablush:

[cunning raft]

https://kennytv.github.io/Yaptapia/

[left swift]

[rich elbow]

you need 300eur worth of fans? 🤔

[ashen cliff]

At least.

[rich elbow]

lol

[ashen cliff]

I have like 20 Noctua fans... I think I have a problem at this point.

[rich elbow]

you do

lol

[ashen cliff]

And a whole box of 40x40 Delta fans.

[rich elbow]

at home? can't imagine how one could live with such... well noise lol

[ashen cliff]

The basement exists for a reason.

[rich elbow]

😂

[wispy blade]

for server and other things 👀

[ashen cliff]

The new AuthMe bot brutal as ever: https://posili.me/i/2021-06-17_22-29-51.png

[wispy blade]

good bot

[rich elbow]

nice domain

[wispy blade]

i have a better domain bro

[rich elbow]

doubt it but ok

[wispy blade]

monkegame.online

[rich elbow]

😂

🤔

[wispy blade]

yikes

[ashen cliff]

Don't worry bro. Also have this one: https://prosim.pofukaj.me/i/2021-06-17_22-33-48.png

[rich elbow]

LOL

[wispy blade]

nice.

[ashen cliff]

Comes with and integrated image deepfryer: https://posili.me/i/2021-06-17_22-34-21.png

[wispy blade]

awesome.

ok but have you used cordless

[rich elbow]

hosting new shrani.si eh?

at UNI MB? 😂

[ashen cliff]

Partis2 bro!

[rich elbow]

😂

[ashen cliff]

We have backups.

No you don't bro!

No Slovenian ever has backups.

[rich elbow]

that is something that should never ever be said or written

😂

but yea it's true 😂 😂

[limber knot]

god I love when I order food, they say the expected delivery time is half an hour and after ordering its 80 minutes -.-

[ashen cliff]

I mean: https://krusic22.com/sl/2017/02/10/mystichero/
It's been proven multiple times.

[rich elbow]

"gradijo novih hub na izbrisanih strežnikih" lmao

why did host delete their data tho?

[ashen cliff]

Never did.

[rich elbow]

well... lol

[vernal moth]

that repo doesn't exist anymore

also mfw 1.17.10

talk to the authors of the plugin, their stuff is all over the place

[hexed dragon]

1.17.10?

[ashen cliff]

Just replace that repo with the PaperMC one.

[vernal moth]

I dont think there is any repo with that jar tbh

[ashen cliff]

https://papermc.io/repo/service/rest/repository/browse/maven-public/org/github/paperspigot/paperspigot-api/1.7.10-R0.1-SNAPSHOT/

[vernal moth]

uff

cursed

[rich elbow]

edit pom.xml?

[vernal moth]

since I do have access to nexus noowwwwwww

https://i.imgur.com/3aqdJDa.png

[ashen cliff]

Do it!

I double dare you.

[hexed dragon]

lol

[rich elbow]

ty for a good laugh 😂 "No refounds"

[brave radish]

change where it says some old URL that doesn't exist to that one

.g xkcd 979

simple bot ded

[rich elbow]

but yea it's kinda an issue in MC community... same as some would do on a global level... throw together quick and messy mc server, push players in via YT advertising, then shut down and start over after a few weeks/months

[ashen cliff]

Proven to work in Slovenia multiple times.

[rich elbow]

tho they probably didn't went that far and that big

lol

[ashen cliff]

And make sure to delete the server, so no one else can continue it.

[rich elbow]

do yea really want that tho?

[ashen cliff]

There are currently, 0 Slovenian servers that traded hands (excluding 2 that I obtained).

[rich elbow]

take over messed up server? where players had existing ranks and whatever? existing worlds? plugins?

[ashen cliff]

Even just the IP.

[rich elbow]

players asking for stuff they've bought from previous operator

and so on

[ashen cliff]

Like MH sold just the IP for 300€.

[rich elbow]

guess they needed those euros lol

https://maven.apache.org/guides/introduction/introduction-to-repositories.html

<project>
...
<repositories>
<repository>

somewhere in there

[karmic harness]

Who is MH

[ashen cliff]

Hell itself.

[karmic harness]

Minehut?

[ashen cliff]

No.

[upbeat falcon]

Pastebin

pom.xml

https://paste.gg/403178f13e2d4d7e884e51e40fc03160

Requested by Ezxt · Jun 17, 2021, 8:47 PM

[karmic harness]

Ah

[limber knot]

mfw someone shares a shortlink I posted to reddit via instagram

[rich elbow]

https://github.com/IPVP-MC/iHCF/search?q=repositories

[brave radish]

why are you even trying to build that plugin? it's forever old, and I dunno what it is, but it likely doesn't work anymore

Nothing. It put it in a pastebin for you

(or, rather, for us)

[wispy blade]

mhm

[rich elbow]

buy what? it's github repo based on parts of ur pom.xml but https://github.com/IPVP-MC/iHCF/blob/0baca0036d020c961db7785b3d0b859b1138880d/core/pom.xml#L64 is what you will be looking for

[wispy blade]

anyway, more of a #paper-dev thing

[brave radish]

Well that one probably won't work anymore and is clearly not maintained

[karmic harness]

The most exciting thing I've done recently is boot my laptop with the Tesla M6 installed without optimus enabled. it was a complete black screen, I had to pull the CMOS.

I kinda knew this was gonna happen, given there's no display outputs. lmao

[rich elbow]

good stuff.. I myself get off when installing Xerox printers on Windows 10

😊

[karmic harness]

lmfao

[ashen cliff]

Personally I'm trying to kill an old SSD.

[karmic harness]

It just won't die lmfao

[ashen cliff]

It's at 400TB written already.

[karmic harness]

I have an intel SSD from 2012 or thereabout, still at 98% health, no errors. lol

[ashen cliff]

And suffered -17 °C and 89°C in the same day.

[karmic harness]

lmao

What brand?

[rich elbow]

https://www.pcgamer.com/chia-mining-can-wreck-a-512gb-ssd-in-as-little-as-6-weeks/

[ashen cliff]

Kingston.

[karmic harness]

Wow, I guess that says something about how durable they are.

Wow

Lmfao, imagine if I chia mined on my 2Tb ssd. I would not

[rich elbow]

can't be sure if u didn't try

[modern bone]

ssd's are pretty durable for normal use
just don't do shit like this

[karmic harness]

I don't want to try lmao

[brave radish]

So... if I were to wget -r Paper's Maven repo... would I get blocked? 😄

[rich elbow]

😂

[waxen panther]

why would you want to

r-word isnt allowed whoevers message that was

[brave radish]

because Mini just threatened to delete Paper 1.7 😂

[karmic harness]

Oh

[brave radish]

I'm sure there's a better way to clone it though lol

[karmic harness]

No wonder why it didn't send

but yeah, i'm so dumb, I don't even know what 'wget -r' means lmao.

[rich elbow]

reverse

[brave radish]

Also download everything this page links to and everything those pages link to and everything those pages link to...

[rich elbow]

gonna backup whole internet

can i buy cd-version pls?

[karmic harness]

If that wasn't allowed, wouldn't they block it some how?

[rich elbow]

they probably did, implement some kind of rate limit

or will if ppl abuse it

[brave radish]

yeah, by blocking my IP after I start the download

[karmic harness]

Lol someone's internet service provitor would probably hit the bandwidth cap first maybe too.

[brave radish]

They can't block it in advance, unless wget follows robots.txt, in which case they still can't block a version that doesn't

[golden gust]

nothing stopping you doing it technically

[worthy frost]

This may be an odd question, but do paper developers get paid for this? it is a free softwere. How do you guys get money to pay the developers?

[golden gust]

No

[unreal quarry]

we get paid in tacos

[brave radish]

.tacos for Billy and cat

[limber knot]

🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮

[olive marlin]

Thanks Backblaze

Love when you get an error which says nothing.

[karmic harness]

Ah yes, the guess the error game.

[plucky sparrow]

Cant you read?

Internal incident 🙄

So it does say something

[rich elbow]

if it's cause of their internals... i'm pretty sure they don't want customers and other nice people debugging it... and/or hacking it

🙂

frustrating but probably for the best

[tropic flame]

haha yes

microsoft type error

[limber knot]

what would you do if there was an error in the error handler

[tropic flame]

something happened

something happened

i see github inherited stuff from them since they've been bought

[vernal bone]

Error: [Object object]

[peak ginkgo]

been a while since i've been here

[lunar night]

does anyone know if paper is also going to be going to java 16 with minecraft? last i can find they were talking about java 11. then minecraft was like oh we going to 16

[peak ginkgo]

heyyy

@lunar night Yes 👍

[lunar night]

thanks!

[karmic harness]

It's funny cause in 2015 when Fallout 4 first came out, it was so damn hard for me to run. Now I get 60+ fps

I don't have a computer as fast as many others but it's a step up from what I used to have.

[ashen cliff]

Well, you also upgraded your laptop.

[karmic harness]

Yeah

I also don't have an I3 3220, GTX 750 anymore. lol

I saw the tesla P6 on ebay, and it had me like "Hmmm"

[ashen cliff]

To be fair, I ran it with my 750 Ti and it ran well.

[karmic harness]

Yeah it runs well, the bottleneck was mostly the I3

[ashen cliff]

4.1Ghz Q9550 times.

https://valid.x86.fr/pqqtxm

[meager tusk]

Fact.

[ashen cliff]

5Gb of ram!

[karmic harness]

I had that once on my old HP DC 7900 sff

I had a core 2 quad Q8200 or something

I used it since 2015-2017 for my server.

[hazy marlin]

Anyone know how I can make plugin configs send bungee commands?

[wispy blade]

#waterfall-dev

[cosmic raft]

@golden gust https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxaTAFXgykU

[wispy blade]

wtf

pinging cat

[vestal jasper]

wtf did pings change again

why are they purple

[brave radish]

? send ss

[brave radish]

that looks normal

or at least the new normal

as of the redesign with the logo and such

[vestal jasper]

did they do it when they did the "rebrand"

[brave radish]

yeah

[vestal jasper]

weird

[ashen cliff]

Looks like you finally got the contrast beta?

[native wolf]

You got it a bit late lol

[ashen cliff]

I still didn't get it.

[native wolf]

I kinda regret being on beta lol

[frank turtle]

greetings people!

[vernal moth]

I should do these more often

It's still 30c outside, but wind on bike is nice

[frank turtle]

nice pics, do you go fishing in that river?

[vernal moth]

And it's extremly dark, but pixel comes out with good photos anyways

Nah, just went for a bike ride cause I can't sleep

It's almost 12, lol

[ancient bolt]

haven't had any issues at all with getting gradle files to resolve etc

but now all of a sudden they don't anymore

[warm anchor]

Magic

[vernal moth]

Welcome to the club

[ancient bolt]

back to EAP everything works again

[vernal moth]

EAP was so broken I had to revert

[ancient bolt]

first time I've had issues

okay this issue is back again

but that was happening regardless of intellij version

but only in the last hour or 2

now it won't go away though

oh didn't actually go back to EAP like I thought I did

[spiral lagoon]

Guys, do you think it would be wise to use an experimental 1.17 paper jar just to pregen my world and then go back to spigot 1.17?

[wispy blade]

no

[ancient bolt]

no

[left swift]

No

[spiral lagoon]

Is it even possible to go back from paper to spigot

[left swift]

Yes

[spiral lagoon]

Alright do you mind explaining a little of why it's a bad idea I'd appreciate it

[left swift]

But dont do anything for production with that jar

[spiral lagoon]

Well it's just to pregenerate, never will a player be on it

[left swift]

Too early in update cycle lots of bugs and corruption issues

Also what's the point of doing that

Just pregen with chunky in spigot it's fine

[spiral lagoon]

Alright. It was just a thought because spigot is so slow at pregening. Paper has asynchronous chunk loading

[ancient bolt]

pregenning isn't really necessary with paper

okay everything is working again now that I'm properly back on EAP, woo

[warm anchor]

^

I never pregen

[left swift]

U eat eggs

[spiral lagoon]

I've been using fast chunk pregenerator. Is chunky better?

[left swift]

Chunky is what I used idk about that other one

[warm anchor]

I would only trust chunky

It’s updated to 1.17 too

[spiral lagoon]

Fast Chunk Pregenerator 1.17: 6.5K downloads
Chunky 1.17: 1.7K downloads

[nocturne agate]

How many chunks are you getting per second with fast chunk pregenerator?

[spiral lagoon]

As we all know, download count is supreme

[left swift]

Use whatever one you wanna use its ur server

[spiral lagoon]

I dont think my server is a good measure for that because I was having memory issues earlier but a crappy 10-15 chunks/s on 6 GB on Intel i9-9900K / Xeon E-2288G @ 5Ghz

[nocturne agate]

Lmao thats better than what i am getting on my even crappier server

tho i need to update my spigot

[spiral lagoon]

U using chunky or FCP?

[nocturne agate]

Chunky

5.2cps average

[left swift]

Do you have players on too?

[nocturne agate]

nope

[spiral lagoon]

me neither

[nocturne agate]

Tho i am 10 builds behind

[left swift]

Mine was going 20cps

[nocturne agate]

is that an issue?

[spiral lagoon]

Eh TPS is irrelevant when you're pregening. You shouldn't be doing it when people are on

All that matters for pregening is RAM

[nocturne agate]

tps?

[spiral lagoon]

ticks per second

[nocturne agate]

we were talking about cps lol

[spiral lagoon]

oh lol

[nocturne agate]

chunks per second

[swift root]

???

[warm anchor]

Wut

[left swift]

Livin like Larry

[warm anchor]

Cpu is most important

[swift root]

The cpu is what pregenning uses lol

[spiral lagoon]

ram isn't irrelevant tho

[swift root]

As long as you have enough to start the server, it is for pregenning

[warm anchor]

It is in most sense

[spiral lagoon]

like my server was constantly crashing while pregening so I took out all the plugins except the pregenerator, made it easier on the memory and stopped the crashes

[left swift]

Lol

[warm anchor]

What’s the error

If it’s not oom

It’s not ram

[ashen cliff]

Bro! Just add more ram: https://timings.aikar.co/?id=6b48586fbbdd48e585ca0ebb07c59dd0

[nocturne agate]

Is it normal for server not use the cpu to its cull capacity when pregenning?

[spiral lagoon]

It literally didnt say it just said server stopped

[left swift]

Daily reminder bro

[warm anchor]

Every error has a log. Please read about how JVM use ram on google. You are really misinformed.

[spiral lagoon]

I was looking in console it just said server stopped it didnt give a reason

[warm anchor]

Then a plugin stops it if it just say server stopped

Mspt pregen plugin has a safety if server gets too behind if will stop

[spiral lagoon]

ah makes sense

[wispy blade]

minecraft do be mostly single core

[warm anchor]

It will rather flush what it has done to save instead of risking corrupting your world

[wispy blade]

nvm i read that htop wrong LOL

[nocturne agate]

lmao u read the ram

Is there something limiting my mc server from using all of the cpu?

[left swift]

God

[spiral lagoon]

Allah

[polar pasture]

@sharp zenith

[jagged dagger]

eat

[twin lagoon]

@warm anchor

[olive marlin]

Wtf? Why does teams keeps randomly deciding to switch the workspace it is on?

[wispy blade]

just ms teams things

[warm anchor]

@twin lagoon

[astral knot]

I just discovered that 32.9% of all spigotMC plugins with 50k+ downloads are closed source 😔

[potent fossil]

https://www.reddit.com/r/theydidthemath/

[tall goblet]

What Java version does work best on arm?

[ashen cliff]

Depends.

[tall goblet]

arm v8

[ashen cliff]

Zulu usually.

[twin lagoon]

+1 for zulu

worked on an m1 macbook

[ashen cliff]

Zulu still supports 32 bit ARM. For what ever reason.

[tall goblet]

you have a comparison to oracle or openjdk and which version/iteration?

[ashen cliff]

Well. We avoid Oracle due to licencing.
OpenJDK and Zulu should perform about the same. But Zulu tests their stuff.

[tall goblet]

I am just hosting a Minecraft server not doing much. I am just interested to know which version works best on arm hosting paper

[tall goblet]

I understand. What exact version are you using?

[ashen cliff]

On ARM I usually use Zulu.

[tall goblet]

Isn't there a version like it used to be on openjdk (11, 14, 16)

[ashen cliff]

There is.

https://www.azul.com/downloads/?package=jdk

[vernal moth]

Zulu is a distirbution

[ashen cliff]

You just have to scroll way down.

[tall goblet]

Are you running the latest or is there a version which is performing better than the latest ones

[vernal moth]

Get Zulu jdk 16

[tall goblet]

So the latest version of java is good. Is there a way to install a headless version to save resources?

[vernal moth]

It's headless if it detects no head

[golden gust]

You don't want the headless distro as it excludes some classes used by the vanilla server

e.g. iirc it will bork stuff like server icon or something

[ashen cliff]

INB4 SkinsRestorer imports JavaFX.

[timid ravine]

Hey quick question, should a switch from 1.17 spigot to 1.17 paper be seamless on a simple SMP?

[golden gust]

yes

[timid ravine]

Awesome thank you

[magic river]

I always used openjdk-16-jdk-headless

[tall goblet]

I am using the headless version ever since I host a Minecraft server. Never experienced any issues what so ever

[magic river]

Well, back then it was openjdk-8-jdk-headless

[warm anchor]

Waiting for your PR 😉

[golden gust]

do you use a server icon?

[magic river]

Imagine working on SkinsRestorer

[tall goblet]

Yes I do

[golden gust]

I think that that was the main thing which required some thing not included in the headless install, but, maybe that was fixed

I just remember many people missing one of the x11 libraries or something which java wanted

[ashen cliff]

Don't mock the best PR in Minecraft history.

[warm anchor]

Lol

Careful they may just accept it

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/2021-06-18_00-48-28.png

[tall goblet]

Alright, I will check what version of java my server is currently running at and change accordingly

Thank you for your help

[warm anchor]

Oh…

[tropic flame]

i don't need to imagine

[rich elbow]

wasn't skins restorer kinda bad?

[ashen cliff]

Still is.

[rich elbow]

I remember waterfall ppl always loved it

and hearing about its bugs

[vernal moth]

I used JavaFX pair at so many projects at work 😂

[warm anchor]

That’s the joke

[tropic flame]

they've been refactoring their code lately

[rich elbow]

but...

[golden gust]

smh

I mean, it's the headache of stupid classes like Pair

I hate it

[rich elbow]

they should have just implement it into authme or something like that?

[vernal moth]

Imagine enabling piracy

[ashen cliff]

There is one very specific version, before the auto updater that just works. Even after 2 years.
Peek code.

[tropic flame]

ask authme devs for that then 😂

[golden gust]

But, theres so many cases where the justification for creating an alternative class or tryna create classes for varying things is just a PITA

[rich elbow]

I mean setting skin on bungee is really easy

[ashen cliff]

No bro. They just enable changing skins without harassing Mojang servers.

[warm anchor]

[ashen cliff]

How else are we supposed to ERP without NameMC picking up our skins?

[golden gust]

brb, getting a bear skin and chasing krusic around

[rich elbow]

lol

[golden gust]

p bear, naturally

[rich elbow]

lmao

[ashen cliff]

Legit. Spend 2 hours finding a... cursed tail custom model on one server.

[rich elbow]

well in fact... u could take it even further

[ashen cliff]

Just needed to go into the 50€+ skins options to find it.

While being harassed about how TF I found the server.

[warm anchor]

Lol

[rich elbow]

buy 1 mc account, implement api that would UL skin to mojang and fetch sig... then allow ur cracked players to upload their skins

[tropic flame]

there's legit one API that does that iirc

[ashen cliff]

There was someone who legit added their account, not knowing what for to the website.

[sullen dome]

Is there a Github app that automatically blocks the merging of PRs if Javadocs are missing? eg I commit create a PR to add a new Method, and the Github app adds a comment to the PR saying that the Javadocs are missing?

[rich elbow]

kinda makes u wonder when mojang will just drop offline servers

[ashen cliff]

Like, they just provided their account info, with the security questions to some random website for no reason.