this is why we can't have nice things 
#general
coarse marlin
void void
do we need nice things
void void
fossil cedar
its a cube game keep calm dud
worn ember
block game is lyfe
twin lagoon
https://github.com/leElvyn/boat-mc
there's a few more challenges than just keeping the map in sync
icy osprey
If you aren't breaking tos it will be easy to prove them you aren't ... according to you
twin lagoon
smooth region transfers, redstone & usability
twin lagoon
If you aren't breaking tos it will be easy to prove them you aren't ... accordin...
it's an irc bridge through a channel webhook
it's fine
void void
How is everyones day going?
twin lagoon
coarse marlin
seems sketch
icy osprey
idk seems like a client to me
limber knotBOT
SeqSEE: I mean, yes. it's literally in the tos 
icy osprey
using to chat
worn ember
If you aren't breaking tos it will be easy to prove them you aren't ... accordin...
innocent until proven guilty my friend
twin lagoon
but it's not a client
it's not specifically for him
it's made for the entire paper irc channel
icy osprey
so anyone can use the same bot?
rustic valve
Yes
twin lagoon
yes
coarse marlin
so it several peopel?
sudden tundra
smooth region transfers, redstone & usability
probably something like putting an entire circuit on a single server, with limits to how large one can be
icy osprey
it is multiple people talking on it or one?
twin lagoon
multiple
worn ember
.g irc protocol
coarse marlin
LMFAO
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat
void void
I know how @phoenix616#0000 is typing it's a bot you can control if it's not it's something similar to that
twin lagoon
no
rustic valve
If he was using a client bot, like you think he is, it wouldn't say "bot" behind his name. It does, AKA, Discord allows it.
twin lagoon
it's an irc bridge
coarse marlin
lol irc
sudden tundra
also, that's 100% allowed
coarse marlin
it should like, have handles in it.. no?
icy osprey
no
sudden tundra
bot account are made to be ... bots
twin lagoon
there's technically nothing against using a bot account to chat
coarse marlin
or it is just several people typing
icy osprey
read the tos
limber knotBOT
also what he thinks the ToS forbids isn't even mentioned in the ToS xD
sudden tundra
they're made to be automated
twin lagoon
using a normal client token for bots however is not allowed
rustic valve
The whole thing about client bots being against TOS is dumb. You're not allowed to make a bot on Discord using a regular account, like ours. They want you to use the API.
limber knotBOT
also I'm sorry, I didn't just mean that you should read it, I also wanted to say that you should try to understand it
worn ember
limber knotBOT
freenode has not been usable for over 7 years now lmao
icy osprey
anyways, I think it was incredibly rude when I was asking something to just throw insults
limber knotBOT
how are people just now realising this?
worn ember
cuz we dont use ancient tech
limber knotBOT
idiot is not an insult lmao
limber knotBOT
Hello SeqSEE I'm here too
twin lagoon
bloodstone 
olive marlin
You can use the webhook if you want.
void void
"I think you are an idiot"
I would consider this an insult ngl
chrome quest
Hmmm. Still no etd.
limber knotBOT
freenode staff has been violating their own rules and staff guidelines forever
olive marlin
bloodstone <a:clappywappy:763461609175384114>
twin lagoon
Hmmm. Still no etd.
don't
icy osprey
yeah it is unneeded insults
void void
yes i did
worn ember
Real talk tho, why is memes archived, i need answers
void void
How does everyone like the 1.17 update?
rustic valve
I'd say the idiot comment can be taken as an offense, but it's funny to see someone be against namecalling after saying someone has injured themselves for clout.
void void
about whales swallowing some guy
worn ember
cuz snapshots arent public
twin lagoon
spigot compatibility?
worn ember
spigot snapshots that is
limber knotBOT
olive marlin
Paper needs to wait for spigot to release the changes.
twin lagoon
in theory we can update to snapshot & pre-releases without spigot, but it's a waste of time
lament patio
Because Paper is built on top of Spigot
olive marlin
As long as we want to keep compatibility.
twin lagoon
as you'd have to re-implement spigot's 1.17 changes anyways
void void
aww man no fun
quiet skiff
hehe
olive marlin
Hard fork wen?
limber knotBOT
no one is stopping you :P
rustic valve
1.18? Ye ye?
limber knotBOT
yeah, they should've just delayed it imo
twin lagoon
i'm pretty happy with the 1.17 release
cedar spade
"here's a bunch of stuff you can play with that we've been working on for the past year"?
rustic valve
Welcome to the Cliffs&Caves update. Oh, forgot to mention, there are no cliffs or caves, yay!
olive marlin
You don't need to use 1.17 if you don't like it.
limber knotBOT
at least a rename would've been good lol
olive marlin
There are some caves.
worn ember
Welcome to the bitching zone: your hosts for this afternoon
twin lagoon
and not to forget, mojmap paper 
rustic valve
The BugSquasher update? ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Imagine if they did a full on BugSquasher Update ๐คค
chrome quest
Goes to papermc.com. Hmmm. This doesn't seem right.
worn ember
god you people are so ungrateful i want slap you in the face with a chair
rustic valve
Slap me with a lawnmower, please 
twin lagoon
spigot only publishes their work after 1.17 releases
limber knotBOT
spigot doesn't release snapshots
twin lagoon
they have an advantage here
limber knotBOT
that has been tried in the past and was not received well by the community
olive marlin
Otherwise we'd have done that.
twin lagoon
that's why the blame is pretty much on spigot
olive marlin
We'd love to be updated earlier.
twin lagoon
they don't release their shit
limber knotBOT
no, it's on idiots that ruined it for everyone
twin lagoon
plans / choices are only revealed after release
limber knotBOT
md released snapshots
and the backslash on idiots not realising it's not a release and broken was insane
olive marlin
๐ HARD ๐ FORK ๐
potent fossil
Are we on the same topic for the fifth day in a row
limber knotBOT
*from
olive marlin
Morning simple
worn ember
its been full circle the entire day lol
cedar spade
Has anyone tried going full rectangle instead
limber knotBOT
a circle is a perfect geometrical figure so I don't see an issue there
worn ember
๐ฎ using the r word
rustic valve
Consider it, if Paper announces a hard fork for 1.18 and does snapshot releases, plugin devs can follow along with updates for their own plugins to match up to Paper. Spigot would either be forced to release snaps, or fall behind with deviation.
limber knotBOT
plugins that need to be updated to new versions ๐
rustic valve
But yes, it's nice to keep the full community together
limber knotBOT
Spigot won't be forced to do shit. md_5 maintains the plugins he needs, including an ancient version of the original Essentials.
potent fossil
rustic valve
Fair point. Control Ess, control the community.
worn ember
imagine using bukkit based eco system
limber knotBOT
seeing as that hasn't been touched since 1.13 I doubt he actually uses that lol
He does.
if anything it's only used for a metric as to how good legacy support works
rustic valve
PaperForked EssX? ๐
limber knotBOT
where?
Have a look at the SpigotCraft server. It's still there and even maintained
limber knotBOT
that's the test server though?
icy osprey
how to block the webhooks?
rustic valve
oh
twin lagoon
you can't
icy osprey
sad
rustic valve
You're talking about EssentialsEssentials?
icy osprey
I literally want to block him
limber knotBOT
He still maintains it, though. He knows of EssentialsX and has decided not to touch it with a five foot pole; there's no reason to maintain a plugin that's handled by other people publicly and quickly if he doesn't use it elsewhere.
in which repo is that in? or does he do that privately?
rustic valve
One will succeed and become the lead, one falls behind and will have to follow or fail. Or you get a community divided, some plugins working for one and another for another. Developers taking hard stances.
gleaming temple
is it possible to setup a minecraft server with max view distance and have chunks generate as quick as you fly over them?
limber knotBOT
I believe there's some repository on the Spigot stash. I'm not sure, however, so remind me to look into it after work :p
gleaming temple
just wanting to run something with 2-3 mates on a dedicated box here
potent fossil
Is it possible? Yes. Is it cheap? No
twin lagoon
what cpu do you have
sage herald
I have a question. If I upgrade paper 1.16 to 1.17 it will work fine?
twin lagoon
yes
twin lagoon
yes
sage herald
thanks
twin lagoon
as per usual
gleaming temple
my old gaming rig here, i7-9700K completely dedicated to the server
twin lagoon
that should be fine
i'd set a reasonable view distance of like 8 in your server.properties
and then whatever you want in no-tick-view-distance in paper.yml
limber knotBOT
and the one on the spigotmc github is dead too
gleaming temple
my question did say max distance, but yeah I'll give that a go when we have 1.17 ๐
twin lagoon
depends on the plugin
limber knotBOT
there is no official legacy format, use components
sage herald
depends on the plugin
LuckPerms?
twin lagoon
why would luckperms need rgb
twin lagoon
that's not luckperms' job
sage herald
I saw that works
twin lagoon
your chat plugin is parsing that
limber knotBOT
luckperms does not display prefixes
worn ember
limber knotBOT
god that format looks ugly
limber knotBOT
use a syntax which allows gradients ;D
twin lagoon
like minimessage
worn ember
pretty sure only minimessage supports that
limber knotBOT
no, obviously MineDown :P
worn ember
people use that?
limber knotBOT
yes
sage herald
limber knotBOT
lol
limber knotBOT
I was surprised seing a plugin that isn't mine that uses MineDown as well
worn ember
why is your font so scuffed?
twin lagoon
scaling
sage herald
Should I use luckperms?
cedar spade
in which repo is that in? or does he do that privately?
md_5 doesn't maintain Spigot Essentials publicly as far as I can tell, but he's still adamantly insistent on using his own version (presumably private) to test instead of just pulling in EssentialsX
twin lagoon
nothing wrong with luckperms
sage herald
ok, thanks
worn ember
md is a weird fella
limber knotBOT
phoenix616: the network I worked for still uses MineDown for all of its chat and whatnot.
sage herald
Uhm... I need more colors
worn ember
limber knotBOT
nice :D
worn ember
not wrong
cedar spade
seems to have abandoned the spigotcraft repo entirely too
limber knotBOT
I'm gonna alwys shill this chat plugin now if someone asks just because it uses minedown: https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/simplexchat.86620/
runs
(also it's open source and actually looks kinda good code-wise)
((besides the code being in spanish (I think) ๐ ))
worn ember
default chat > any chat manager
make everything custom bro, then go bankrupt when they need updating
limber knotBOT
my server got rid of herochat when we moved to bungee 8 years ago or so xD
golden gust
Horror is that a lot of this stuff if there existed proper API it wouldn't be a concern
cedar spade
spigot? proper api? don't be silly
limber knotBOT
my chat just runs on the proxy
golden gust
e.g. now that we have chat events capable of actually working with components, those plugins are muuuuch more sane
But, does it handle ALL THE PLACEHOLDerS?!
limber knotBOT
fuck placeholders
golden gust
WOW
limber knotBOT
PAPI isn't touching my server
golden gust
LITERALLY USELESS
limber knotBOT
(also PAPI is useless anyways, doesn't support components)
twin lagoon
PAPI
cursive sundial
I love my PAPI
limber knotBOT
well lucky you
rustic valve
Does PAPI love you?
twin lagoon
God I love Spartan
potent fossil
Are we srs right now
minor badge
?warn @lethal locust Let's not put being gay in a bad light
thorny flickerBOT
:raised_hands: Warned Evan#0002 (Let's not put being gay in a bad light) [2 total infractions] -- Proximyst#6900.
rustic valve
lethal locust
<@&748618676189528155>
Meme snitch
potent fossil
Gay is not a demeaning adjective, it's not an insult, it is not an exemplifier to make something seem worse
Fuck off
Fuck you.
limber knotBOT
homophobie ๐
potent fossil
Easiest block ever.
twin lagoon
mental meadow
No
minor badge
?kick @lethal locust Grow up
thorny flickerBOT
:raised_hands: Kicked Evan#0002 (Grow up) [3 total infractions] -- Proximyst#6900.
wind geyser
Wait. What happened to the meme channel?
rustic valve
I like my gags and pranks, but, can I call troll?
potent fossil
Sorry, I did not need to be that rude, got mad i apologize. ill be back l8r.
magic river
Teenagers happened ๐
rustic valve
We kicked it to the ashes
twin lagoon
literally nothing of value lost
wind geyser
Teenagers happened ๐
As a teenager. They suck ngl
magic river
It got flooded with some weird shit for a few days
minor badge
God I'm tired of the MC release period
limber knotBOT
thanks for sticking around anyways! <3
shrewd portal
wow i just looked at the chat logs and that's a quadruple whammy
rustic valve
Are you not happy I'm here? 
next frost
take a nap then :p
sage herald
authme 1.16 link? please
mental meadow
google please
minor badge
Good day, night!
worn ember
god dammit, i go for a drink and hell bursts lose again
sage herald
google please
left swift
Politics is even tastier ded
minor badge
Are you not happy I'm here? <:AwwPeek:794739134916460604>
Always happy to see fellow Norwegians
sage herald
I searched
rustic valve
Stop getting drinks, clearly that's the problem
limber knotBOT
ok so we just need to chain ded to his pc to avoid that stuff, nice
twin lagoon
congratulations you've already found it
rustic valve
Always happy to see fellow Norwegians
[Insert Sweden joke here]
worn ember
Politics is even tastier ded
yeah, seen it, its where i'ma post my memes from now on cuz its a joke
sage herald
congratulations you've already found it
WTF. When I searched only appear 1.13
twin lagoon
my guy
mental meadow
You even clicked on it
twin lagoon
yes
mental meadow
that's why it is light purple
sage herald
I'm sorry
sage herald
that's why it is light purple
Yes ๐
worn ember
ok so we just need to chain ded to his pc to avoid that stuff, nice
just make me mod
rustic valve
Is ok 
tropic flame
some plugins don't need a major overhaul on each Minecraft version too btw
rustic valve
just make me mod
Hard pass
limber knotBOT
!mod DarkEyeDragon
left swift
Oh god ded mod 
limber knotBOT
does this work?
worn ember
thanq
tropic flame
i don't remember authme not working at any point in time
rustic valve
I need a third monitor ๐ฆ
worn ember
3 monitor gang
rustic valve
Not sure I have the space for a fourth
limber knotBOT
put it on top
rustic valve
But I want a third one in landscape mode above my primary
gloomy dock
3 monitor gang
hey man, how are you doing?
gloomy dock
i just got a new desk today
magic river
I kind of have 3, two on my desktop and my laptop sitting in front of them
gloomy dock
iโm pretty happy for that
cursive sundial
Just get 72 monitors and call it a day.
shrewd portal
it always sucks when the 3rd monitor fails
twin lagoon
ok now that we got that out of the way
worn ember
noice
twin lagoon
shrewd portal
it leaves a huge gap in my 5 monitor setup
rustic valve
Just get 72 monitors and call it a day.
Excuse me good sire, but a day is 24
limber knotBOT
my video card only drives 4 monitors ;_; need an extension card at some point
golden gust
back the fuck away from "that guy", he's ours
golden gust
He's not an inspiration he's a very naughty boy
worn ember
cant tell if sarcastic or not
gloomy dock
cant tell if sarcastic or not
do you know who that is
twin lagoon
can we release a half broken version of paper 1.17 to shut everyone up
worn ember
no clue
gloomy dock
thatโs Nigbt
golden gust
gloomy dock
from everywhere
worn ember
yes i can read, thanks
cursive sundial
Excuse me good sire, but a day is 24
Fine 24 monitors.
gloomy dock
heโs from like
spigot and bukkit
and mcm and all that good shit
and heโs just a great dude
worn ember
mcm 
gloomy dock
he was the cofounder
golden gust
What a monster
worn ember
so he's that guy, selling optimized paper forks, i see
golden gust
nights not that bad
gloomy dock
night is the boy
worn ember
tbh idk half of these "notable" people 
gloomy dock
tbh idk half of these "notable" people <:kekwhyper:674093681904713729>
where can i see them
iโm new to disc
on mobile
gloomy dock
limber knotBOT
must suck for them to live without a table
limber knotBOT
( อกยฐ อส อกยฐ)
left swift
Swipe left
worn ember
i swipe left when i see nomana on grindr
left swift
Ded doesnt know his right from left
worn ember
right to left
gloomy dock
i think i know like 16 of the notable people
worn ember
oh wait lmfao
gloomy dock
like have heard of
worn ember
yes mb
left swift
worn ember
shut up its only 3pm
magic river
Before hanging out in here I'd say I knew who probably about half of the notable people are
worn ember
most dont even talk so doesnt matter
since aikar is MIA guess i'll have to fix acf myself lul
potent fossil
or use cloud ๐
gloomy dock
xd
wispy blade
aikar talked like yesterday lmao
gloomy dock
or use cloud ๐
whatโs cloud?
untold copper
day #9 of trying to get abs: 45 minutes, 20 minutes of lower body + core (no rest) and then 20 minutes of High Intensity, 30 seconds on and 15 seconds rest, 3 rounds in each part. This is fine.
gloomy dock
alternative to acf?
potent fossil
yes
worn ember
or use cloud ๐
man, i couldnt even get through the docs lol
gloomy dock
link?
minor badge
Aikar is just busy with other stuff. Try to get to him on weekends, Ded ^^
wind geyser
It got flooded with some weird shit for a few days
That sounded like another server that I'm in. They flooded the wrong channel for flooding things and they ultimately got banned because of it. Big W for that, but I'm still sorry that it happened even though I didn't do anything to get it locked.
worn ember
Aikar is just busy with other stuff. Try to get to him on weekends, Ded ^^
its probably something i can fix myself tbh
gloomy dock
thx lemme check this out
rustic valve
Fine 24 monitors.
Much better. Will you sponsor? โค๏ธ
worn ember
docs arent ded friendly 
proven dune
Are memes allowed in this channel?
worn ember
mission failed
limber knotBOT
wat
worn ember
add this to eta command
wind geyser
yes please
potent fossil
DED, how'd you get a picture of my personal hellscape?
limber knotBOT
gloomy dock
https://github.com/Incendo/cloud
yeah this bitch right here look interesting actually
do you have any sample projects that use it?
potent fossil
it is try it
wind geyser
anyways, Finals are hard af
proven dune
Thatโs a good one
gloomy dock
i could learn as a reference
potent fossil
uhhh sure
worn ember
DED, how'd you get a picture of my personal hellscape?
i used the photoshop to shape hell itself
gloomy dock
iโve been wanting to find new libraries and apis like that to hopefully help expand my knowledge on programming and get like
concepts of how to design stuff by good swes
or something
viral hornet
holy shit
worn ember
look at spigot src for how to not do stuff 
twin lagoon
cloud epic
viral hornet
michael epic
wind geyser
why was <#738890587721302097> kept but shit like memes and TACO CHANNEL was remo...
Suddenly, teenagers
potent fossil
@gloomy dock all the way at the bottom of cloud's readme has examples
worn ember
kash probably got triggered and went on an archiving spree
potent fossil
7 of them
wind geyser
Suddenly, teenagers
-- a teenager
gloomy dock
<@!851945428308066304> all the way at the bottom of cloud's readme has examples
ok thank you
worn ember
man have you seen politics?
proven dune
Donโt go there. To politics
mossy cliff
What we the odds of having 2 Czechs in the voice channel lol
limber knotBOT
one frame gifs 
gloomy dock
this is some really good shit https://github.com/Proximyst/ban/blob/main/common/src/main/java/com/proximyst/ban/service/impl/ImplUserService.java
worn ember
so if gifs is the new memes, why not just keep memes and remove gifs
potent fossil
Mari best mari
twin lagoon
mari epic
gloomy dock
so at what point in your career do you think you have the knowledge to be able to implement things like this
potent fossil
It takes a lot of experience
gloomy dock
so like how youโre able to adapt to the same design with the same consistency
worn ember
when you try it
potent fossil
You have to write it the stupid way before you can write it the smart way
gloomy dock
like marking everything as @NonNull, and you know, the proper indentation
and everything
and that itโs all clean and understandable
worn ember
you write stuff and run into issues then fix those issues and eventually you'll have a good system, then you'll know how to do it properly the next time around
so basically, do, fail, cry, do it better
potent fossil
The @NonNull is just defining contracts, which is good for APIs so you know better how a method will act when you use it
mellow quiver
is that a wild checker framework
potent fossil
Rather than calling it, getting an exception, and crying
gloomy dock
oh i see
mossy cliff
So which benefits does java 16 bring? Does it consume less memory at least?
gloomy dock
whatโs your hobby simple
what kind of things do you do for a living or fun or whatever
mellow quiver
so at what point in your career do you think you have the knowledge to be able t...
to answer this question, it depends on how committed you are to actually improving
mellow quiver
I've known developers that have been coding for over a decade, but never put any effort into improving the quality of their code
and as a result of which
worn ember
bully kids in paper asking for eta
gloomy dock
what are you doing right now
mellow quiver
they're fucking garbage
golden gust
nullability annotations is just something you get the experience to understand how much of a life saver they are and are worth using
potent fossil
same piggy
golden gust
your IDE does a lot to help with shit like formatting
twin lagoon
@mellow quiver did you get an aeron yet
twin lagoon
fucking disgusting
golden gust
at the end of the day, it's all down to if the person really cares about programming or just wants to get paid
mellow quiver
can u even adjust the lumbar on ur aeron
I can move it up and down
and change how hard it is
twin lagoon
yes
golden gust
sadly this is an industry where a lot just wanna get paid and there is little care to improve their skills or codebases over the years
mellow quiver
with a knob
twin lagoon
yes
mellow quiver
not like moving it in/out, but like changing how much it can bend
twin lagoon
yes
mellow quiver
fak
golden gust
something like ban is, at the end of the day, an artifact of day 1 abstraction
mellow quiver
can u change the resistance of the back lean
golden gust
But, very few people learn and get the experience to actually apply it
gloomy dock
something like ban is, at the end of the day, an artifact of day 1 abstraction
is that a compliment
potent fossil
yes
golden gust
not really, just a statement
worn ember
then theres rtp that took 3 months to abstract
mellow quiver
i've been abstracting papi for 2 years ๐ฆ
golden gust
the abstraction of ban is nothing revolutionary, it's the type of day 1 OOP concepts that you learn
potent fossil
i said yes bc mari is cute
golden gust
It's just very few care to actually invest themselves to the level where something like ban makes sense from an impl aspect
gloomy dock
then theres rtp that took 3 months to abstract <:kekwhyper:674093681904713729>
do you ever plan on expanding rtp to more than just paper? assuming ur the artist of it
golden gust
many people dream of doing stuff like that but get stumped at the first hurdle
Piggy, get rid of PAPI extentions plz thx
worn ember
yeah, i'm planning to add sponge support when api8 releases
mellow quiver
what's wrong with papi expansions
golden gust
classloader semantics
mellow quiver
elaborate
golden gust
you know those "loaded class X from plugin Y which was blah blah blah"?
mellow quiver
that's new right?
worn ember
no lol
mellow quiver
newish
golden gust
Was added in 1.16 or something iirc
gloomy dock
yeah, i'm planning to add sponge support when api8 releases
whatโs the github
so idk, whenever i hit progress in a project already, i would hate to like
mellow quiver
ohh right I remember there was a fuss over this
golden gust
But, extentions are likely not gonna survive when md makes those warnings a hard failure
gloomy dock
back track to abstract everything
limber knotBOT
loading classes from non related/depending plugins will eventually be blocked so ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
gloomy dock
and redo everything
golden gust
any extention which requires access to another plugin triggers that warning because, ofc, papi depends on nothing else
mellow quiver
well
can't see us ditching expansions
will have to figure out a way
thanks for reminding me though
completely forgot about that issue
gloomy dock
alright i donโt know if iโm gonna sound weird for saying this but
as a beginner programmer
golden gust
I mean, you can probs do some horrors to faux inject the dependencies, but, that will likely also break in the future
gloomy dock
what made me want to get into it was a set of individuals iโve admired just frm like, their knowledge on certain topics and stuff like
golden gust
Like, best just avoiding this shit, load them as real plugins
limber knotBOT
the solution is to make extensions their own plugins which properly depend on stuff
mellow quiver
yeah that's honestly a solution I'm thinking of rn
gloomy dock
i donโt remember the rest of what i was going to say
what are your opinions on like whether you should self teach yourself the experience through indulging in projects often or like
reading books and shot
worn ember
best way of life: get inspired, realize u poop, be sad for 3 days, repeat
limber knotBOT
depends on your learn type, S
gloomy dock
designs and practices enforced by companies and all that
mellow quiver
should self teach yourself the experience through indulging in projects often
This is primarily how I learnt
golden gust
learning the fundations is important
getting the experience to actually apply it all is key
limber knotBOT
not everyone is able to properly self-teach themselves
hexed dragon
foundations*
mellow quiver
I like fundation
worn ember
i used classgraph for my addons, which worked alright, its a beefy boy tho https://github.com/classgraph/classgraph
vernal moth
I love classgraph
worn ember
true
golden gust
experience severely trumps the foundations that you pick up, but, without a solid base which is where most fuck up when tryna self learn, you're gonna just tumble down
worn ember
hf making everything into plugins tho
worn ember
his understanding is beyond ours
golden gust
We see it far too many times, people skip the foundations, get into the advance stuff, act like toddlers because they don't understand basic OOP concepts, and give up because they're unwilling to go back to the foundations and actually construct a solid base of knowledge
mellow quiver
surely I could just get the plugin class loaders and have them as parents to the expansion class loaders
limber knotBOT
yeah, I didn't understand OOP either when I started which lead to some very questional code... but I learned it pretty quick lol
worn ember
omg its famous german youtuber kneny
wispy blade
i just go in head first learning as much as i can and then giving up 2 days later cuz i get bored 
honest fulcrum
.eta
limber knotBOT
(See also #โ-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785
golden gust
For me, OOP was just pretty foundational knowledge which clicked with me
worn ember
having classes on fundamentals is great too, helped me understand a lot about how stuff actually functions rather than "just do this"
golden gust
for others, it's more of a learned thing, which makes it interesting as not all material is really good at teaching it
limber knotBOT
well I originally did php stuff before it supported OOP... so yeah, that was a bit of a culture shock when getting into java lol
golden gust
I do wish that somebody would just make a super good tutorial which we could actually link to with various presentation formats
worn ember
i was born into java
limber knotBOT
but OOP just makes way more sense to me
golden gust
Just, probs never gonna happen
golden gust
Like, OOPs not needed, just for a lot of what we do, it's a good design concept which makes a lot of sense
gloomy dock
i just feel nothing but good vibes
limber knotBOT
functional programming is easy to get imo: it's just steps that happen after each other with states being global or passed down through the functions rather than passing/storing objects
it's a very mathematical equations-like approach to programming imo
(which is where it is most used, in mathematical sciency stuff)
worn ember
yeah well if you know anything about me, is that math is not something i understand :p
worn ember
i wanna get into low level programming but i got no use for it
limber knotBOT
imo the main issue with functional design patterns is that they get pretty confusing and annoying as soon as you try to write anything more complex
worn ember
my experience with js in a nutshell
limber knotBOT
yeah, js didn't really support oop for a long time either
wispy blade
i like JS for its simplicity but hate it for anything else
worn ember
i wanna finish mp snek but i cant muster the strength to get back into it
golden gust
Yea, I mean, that's why OOP generally makes sense is because you lay "systems" out rather than having methods spread all over the place with varying functionaility spread all over the place
functional works and I'd argue is great for when you just wanna splat some shit out
But, if you wanna maintain stuff, it does fall into a bit of an anti-pattern fast, imho
limber knotBOT
"In JavaScript, an object is an associative array, augmented with a prototype (see below)" this is such a javascript sentence lmao
sharp venture
alternatives to google chrome? it's so slow
worn ember
edge
limber knotBOT
literally just chrome
sharp venture
fr?
worn ember
at least its faster than chrome
mellow quiver
get a better computer
sharp venture
I mean I have about 50 chrome tabs open so could be my problem
limber knotBOT
just use chromium, gets rid of most of the google bloat
wide chasm
FP is kinda nice, but I did feel like "wtf does this say" a lot of the time
worn ember
fox? wheres the fox in firefox logo?
wide chasm
Could just be that my code was shit though
sharp venture
I think it's my problem
limber knotBOT
install "The Great Suspender Original" extension ;D better than chrome's inbuilt suspending
potent fossil
it's the flame sir
limber knotBOT
use tab groups, mate
mellow quiver
alan kay says that functional & oop are complementary ideas
worn ember
ah yes, i hate it when the forests burn down with foxes
sharp venture
never used them lol
twin lagoon
I think it's my problem
your issue is that you have tabs with mcmarket & songoda open
void void
LFBJDSHKVB SF
sharp venture
lmao
mellow quiver
mind rephrasing the question @void void?
potent fossil
alan kay says that functional & oop are complementary ideas
completely unrelated but i started reading alan kay in tagalog and then i realized it was a name in english
limber knotBOT
the non-original did, yes sulu
wide chasm
OOP and FP can work together, sure, Scala sort of goes for that and I think it's a fine language
potent fossil
how embarrassing
void void
mind rephrasing the question <@456226577798135808>?
me?
limber knotBOT
that's why there is forks
void void
wdym?
mellow quiver
completely unrelated but i started reading `alan kay` in tagalog and then i real...
lol
fallen oracle
Oh lord, switching all of those to plugins would be... interesting.
mellow quiver
glare, did you see my idea?
mellow quiver
well first of all is this actually still a problem
or did we find a solution
because I remember this conversation ages ago but I don't remember the result
my idea was to just grab the plugin class loaders and have them as parents to the expansion class loaders
without even telling spigot
fallen oracle
That sounds reasonable.
blazing quarry
Good afternoon
buoyant pagoda
#paper-help message
#general message
@wheat quarry is the bot acc with the same name / nickname that is on this server yours?
Sorry wrong ping
mossy vessel
Yes.
limber knotBOT
So anyone can have a "bot" on the server
buoyant pagoda
Wdym?
upbeat falconBOT
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buoyant pagoda
How do I set up a โbotโ using this method?
mental meadow
You join #paper on EsperNet and Chat
worn ember
what was the tool you used to record this?
worn ember
(or rather, to see the render updates)
mellow quiver
So anyone can have a "bot" on the server
anyone can have a "bot"
but still no docdex ๐ฆ
stable lily
rustic valve
Old reddit ftw 
stable lily
pog
rustic valve
Shouldn't it now be "Fix new compilation issues"? 
magic river
what was the tool you used to record this?
That's just react dev tools, I think
I didn't record it
Your browser dev tools probably have a similar thing but iirc the react one does it on a component basis while the browser one does it on a tag basis
worn ember
thanks
worn ember
i love ryan reynolds ads haha
they're the best
Me: > download src and documentation
Intellij: so anyway i started decompiling
wispy blade
ebic
worn ember
is there a way to check if maven actually has docs for a dependency? this is driving me nuts
wispy blade
google it bro
waxen panther
<@&748618676189528155>
wispy blade
no u
mossy vessel
?ban 659410142420402186 Homophobia is not tolerated
cunning raft
!ban @faint void
thorny flickerBOT
Command ban requires 2 argument(s) (<user:user|snowflake> <reason:str...>) passed 1
:raised_hands: Banned <123>#8888 (Homophobia is not tolerated) [1 total infraction] -- NotMyFault#3732.
wide chasm
Four mods typing, two firing, nice
warm anchor
wispy blade
gg
fallen oracle
Damn, sniped it.
mossy vessel
Jroy failed, for the record.
warm anchor
Oh
cunning raft
mossy vessel
Someone else failed as well, for the record.
warm anchor
Lol
queen holly
Does anyone know where I comment on the LIVE happening in the server?
waxen panther
wat
waxen panther
gottem
worn ember
hello @void void
wind geyser
Public Ban log wen?
rustic valve
And I'm the one you want
rustic valve
D: Someone removed the nick
fallen oracle
Shh. Wrong keyboard.
rustic valve
Sad times
mossy vessel
Wouldn't be the first time I post some totp somewhere lol
void void
hello <@456226577798135808>
hi
fervent crow
never appreciated how important paper is but now that I run spigot naked I can't really say anything but you guys have done amazing work on optimizing spigot
wispy blade
need news now >:c
blazing quarry
who else is gonna watch the nintendo direct today
magic river
Time to be disappointed again
young falcon
who else is gonna watch the nintendo direct today
I
vernal moth
Can't remember when I last cared about Nintendo products
royal kernel
Brocc gave up on being the jester
blazing quarry
i don't know why i'm tuning in it's not like i get to play the game
it's just some footage
frank otter
Someone gotta run gentoo on that new thread ripper
Firefox compilation speedrun
Wait what's happening with nintendo
magic river
boo gentoo
blazing quarry
Imagine how much time we spend looking forward to games compared to how often we play games
wispy blade
i've installed it
frank otter
I tried it once and had no patience
wispy blade
took 5 hrs LMAO
frank otter
I use arch btw
wispy blade
cool bro.
magic river
Nintendo Direct today, rumors are more remasters/rereleases of old Zelda games, BotW2, Super Switch, and some other stuff
meager tusk
Yea because like, arch.
magic river
I'm expecting basically none of that to happen
frank otter
Wait a new breath of the wild?
magic river
BotW2 is already confirmed, they showed something about it in 2019
worn ember
Can't remember when I last cared about Nintendo products
nintendo DS was the only product i ever got form nintendo xD
frank otter
oh that's cool
magic river
It looks like you might play as Zelda
wispy blade
did i ever tell you about the time i installed gentoo in a vm on a single FX-6300 core?
frank otter
Wait is it just gonna be the same story from zelda pov
ancient bolt
Can't remember when I last cared about Nintendo products
What a sad and depressing live you live
frank otter
did i ever tell you about the time i installed gentoo in a vm on a single FX-630...
yes you did
wispy blade
mhm
magic river
The video they showed was of Zelda dressed like an adventurer and with a haircut, thought was hair is hard so they cut it off rather than do a shit job of applying physics to it
vernal moth
nintendo DS was the only product i ever got form nintendo xD
Dslite here
wispy blade
very fun, got laughed at by friend while doing so
vernal moth
I enjoyed pokemon but wouldn't play them again nowadays
potent fossil
I still have my DSi sitting in my drawer
vernal moth
I don't play these large scale RPGs either so no love from Zelda from me
late atlas
i got a pokemon tattoo on my forearm. a charmeleon
royal kernel
Anyone remember the 2ds ๐
vernal moth
Then you got platformers which I can get elsewhere too
late atlas
anyone here old enough to play the original gameboy xD
magic river
I like my games to be 10-30 hours and have a clear ending
potent fossil
Yup.
vernal moth
What else is there?
vernal moth
Dont see a reason to consider Nintendo
wispy blade
animal crossing and smash
frank otter
I like my games to be 10-30 hours and have a clear ending
have you tried titanfall 2, that might fit roughly in there
late atlas
i got rid of the gameboy when the gameboy pocket came out
magic river
RPGs frequently take twice that, live services never end, procedural games technically never end, etc
30 is likely to not be finished these days too
potent fossil
This is making me wanna dig out DSi from wherever it is at in the drawer, I remember that interface w/ touchscreen being the sickest shit I had ever used back then
mossy vessel
Nintendo lost me when they released the switch and all those new shit
magic river
If I can't binge it over a weekend I probably won't play or won't finish
potent fossil
I'm sure it's 
now
blazing quarry
Pokemon Legends Arceus looks good
twin lagoon
still waiting on super mario galaxy 3
i will buy whatever nintendo releases it on just for that game
magic river
It's called Mario Odyssey
blazing quarry
i disagree i think the Switch is a good console especially better than the Wii U
fallen oracle
still waiting on super mario galaxy 3
YES,
royal kernel
Same
blazing quarry
it doubles down as a portable and a stationary console
wispy blade
with kid size controls
blazing quarry
oh yeah the internet service does suck
edgy zealot
Who's been fed to the goblins so far
blazing quarry
and pro controller is preferable to the tiny controls
wispy blade
at least 400 people
edgy zealot
Oh wow I think the goblins might be full
magic river
You have to pay for online stuff on every console
wispy blade
nope
royal kernel
They never are
wispy blade
current gen yes
mossy vessel
I tried the switch couple of times over some friends but never got the hang of it. Feld like some weird stuck in 2010 graphic
royal kernel
You have to pay for online stuff on every console
Pc > console
blazing quarry
that's true but Nintendo's online service is remarkably horrid, especially the voice chat system
magic river
What voice chat system? I thought their solution was to open discord on your phone
mossy vessel
But I guess that's what their audience appreciates.
edgy zealot
Are people fighting over gaming devices again
wispy blade
imagine reading the convo
blazing quarry
They announced an app where you connect your phone to use voice chat or something
magic river
Amusingly you can play Fortnite without paying for an online service and if you connect a mic to the switch you can do voice chat on there too
blazing quarry
nintendo just refuses to be normal lol
wispy blade
all i'd get the switch for would be taiko no tatsujin tbh
blazing quarry
why not just plug in a headset and voice chat that way
magic river
You can, but only on Fortnite ๐
blazing quarry
oh
edgy zealot
I have Nintendo VR Xbox and PlayStation
magic river
Epic has their own voice chat system and are apparently the only ones allowed to do so
edgy zealot
Because I can't be bothered getting bullied forwhich one I use
blazing quarry
If Nintendo wanted to dominate, they should have offered third party games like Call of Duty and Assassin's Creed
mossy vessel
Can't imagine something better than playing cod on my switch.
royal kernel
I would definitely buy those too
magic river
TIL the author of bsdiff actually made an even better version while working on his PhD at Oxford but they won't allow him to release it
edgy zealot
Can't imagine something better than playing cod on my switch.
A high-end game on a tiny device that can't end well
blazing quarry
it's not impossible
blazing quarry
im sure they can downgrade the graphics
ancient bolt
TIL the author of `bsdiff` actually made an even better version while working on...
Lol yeah
royal kernel
They got doom on the switch
blazing quarry
well yeah but it already plays Skyrim and Botw
magic river
He can't even reimplement it, they have a patent on the algorithm or something
blazing quarry
and yeah Doom
edgy zealot
The switch doesn't even support Netflix
blazing quarry
also they are coming out with a new console (i think)
mossy vessel
Doom on the switch 
magic river
So he had to come up with a worse alternative to his own algorithm
blazing quarry
that's true Kal they dont offer netflix and i think that's stupid
magic river
The algorithm used by BSDiff 4 is described in my (unpublished) paper Naive differences of executable code; please cite this in papers as
Colin Percival, Naive differences of executable code, http://www.daemonology.net/bsdiff/, 2003.A far more sophisticated algorithm, which typically provides roughly 20% smaller patches, is described in my doctoral thesis.
blazing quarry
not sure what nintendo is thinking
edgy zealot
Like you can get Netflix on anything else besides for the switch
magic river
I think Nintendo was upset most Wiis turned in to Netflix machines
meager tusk
> The algorithm used by BSDiff 4 is described in my (unpublished) paper Naive d...
that kinda sucks
mossy vessel
imagine not using your phone or macbook for something like that
blazing quarry
lol Nintendo is so stubborn why are they mad people are using their console
royal kernel
Well there main console is basically an android tablet so I dont think its ment to be normal
blazing quarry
would they rather have people use the Wii for nothing?
magic river
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
blazing quarry
if you want to use your console for things other than Netflix then you release better games for it
magic river
I would love to have an android tablet with switch form factor
I'd load it full of emulators
edgy zealot
I mean even Google hub has netflix
empty sphinx
Guys, what is the meaning of ETA?
empty sphinx
Ohh okay thanks
upbeat falconBOT
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edgy zealot
Lol
blazing quarry
i forgot what the A means
ancient bolt
jar files don't really have the same properties of typical executable files, but our patch jar still ends up smaller than the output jar without requiring any fancy code on our end so I'll call that a win
magic river
Well that failed
magic river
Yeah
blazing quarry
oh ye
edgy zealot
So technically how long is going to take
empty sphinx
Sure
blazing quarry
i just want to see some Pokemon footage now
edgy zealot
blazing quarry
imagine if they announce Among Us on Switch
void void
mossy vessel
pokemon on steam wen
magic river
Apparently the ideal way to do binary patches of jar files is to create a data structure that stores the result of bsdiff on all changed files in the jar, marks which files got removed, and includes full copies of all files that got added
Dunno what paperclip is doing
blazing quarry
im disappointed how pokemon has turned out
as someone who played pokemon since i was a kid, i expect the franchise to grow with me.... but pokemon just kinda regressed over the years
magic river
I was expecting Sword and Shield to be BotW but pokemon
It was more like a 3D version of plain old pokemon but with some MMO mechanics in it
blazing quarry
im really sick of all the handholding in that game
there is no freedom anymore
it's extremely linear, no way to explore
that's not what pokemon is about
magic river
I dunno if any of the ones in between were different but Red/Blue/Yellow and Gold/Silver were fairly linear too
I think there was like one time you could pick what city to go to next
blazing quarry
yeah they were kinda linear, a little more freedom than the modern games but still yeah
mossy vessel
Yeah, the game didn't really grow with the time. I still can't drive with my SUV from city to city and beat up others
blazing quarry
The modern games have just gone way overboard with handholding
It's not even challenging anymore. You get an exp share that gives exp to all team members all the time
magic river
On a related note https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9794740/1/Pokemon-The-Origin-of-Species is a fun read
magic river
It's a world were Pokemon are terrifying and legendaries are city killers
magic river
No one is catching Zapdos in this world, Zapdos is a natural disaster that randomly wanders through the world
blazing quarry
Imagine a game of thrones type universe where a young Targaryen girl tames a Charizard and burns cities to the ground
are all the pokemon terrifying in the story?
magic river
It's a "rationalist" fanfic so it tries to make the universe make sense, logically, and avoid deus ex machina
blazing quarry
even Dunsparce?
magic river
Yeah, kind of
Taming pokemon is like taming a wolf
But the wolves have magic powers
Most fanfics of this style are basically deconstructions
Take what you know about the Pokemon universe via the gameplay and lore and what are the logical conclusions of things working the way they say they do
blazing quarry
Pokemon are dangerous tribal animals
magic river
Some of them are tribal or herd based, yeah
blazing quarry
and they KILL!
magic river
The herds randomly stampede through cities
blazing quarry
maybe that's why humans invented pokeballs so they can control them better
magic river
Unless Trainers and Rangers stop them
Yeah, pokeballs run simulations of dog obedience classes, more or less
The pokemon is asleep so it's happening in their dreams
wind geyser
Estimated time of arrival
yes
wicked cipher
Work bigger
twin lagoon
thx
potent cedar
what happened to the memes channel?
potent cedar
why'd they archive it?
golden gust
the channel was not used in a matter that we're happy with and we don't wanna encourage the general behavior that goes on in there
#gifs-and-memes covers a good chunk of what that channel did cover, but, we are hoping that it's less "shittier meme" centric, i guess
worn ember
yeah keep dreaming lol
ashen cliff
At least the last 2 memes included me.
golden gust
your existence is a meme, bro
wide chasm
Don't worry, we'll never forget your valuable contribution
worn ember
thanq
wispy blade
eating chicken shoarma for dinner poggin
golden gust
casually forgets everything DED has ever done
Well, I lived to the promise, at least
worn ember
its MED for you now 
wispy blade
fuck off DED
worn ember
i promoted myself
worn ember
fuck off DED
kaaskop
worn ember
mortal zinc
this is a frighteningly high amount of servers...
golden gust
Pretty expected, to be fair
viscid wedge
mortal zinc
i know unfortunately
viscid wedge
doesn't matter really, not our problem
golden gust
I mean, they're still a small slice of the pie and will act like they're bigger than 1.16, but, still