general

[mortal zinc]

what makes it better than the 1.7.10 servers i wonder, lol

[blazing quarry]

how much % is using 1.17 tho

[viscid wedge]

muh combat

[viscid wedge]

image says 11.1%

[mortal zinc]

bottom there, 11.1% @blazing quarry

[blazing quarry]

o

nice

[mortal zinc]

most are on 1.16.5 which is good

[blazing quarry]

is that from bstats

[mortal zinc]

ya

[blazing quarry]

ok cool that means im a part of that statistic

[viscid wedge]

I'm not

[shut tartan]

hlo

https://tenor.com/view/puppy-dog-wave-hello-hi-gif-13974826

[viscid wedge]

Hey Daniel, what's up

[astral cypress]

weird question, what are they doing in the voice channel and can i join? I'm new lol

[mossy vessel]

They stream updating paper to 1.17

[astral cypress]

could i join?

[mossy vessel]

yes

[median narwhal]

Wow man, they are at it cont. for days now
kudos to the developers

[wispy blade]

yup

today is day 5 i think

[void void]

I was pinged

[undone grail]

what the vc name means in english?

does anyone know german or somethin here?

[void void]

Who pinged me

[wispy blade]

@shut spear pinged you

[void void]

Thx

@shut spear why ping

Well im gonna go back to what I was doing

[untold copper]

where

is

never mind

wait no where is #memes

ARCHIVED?? :ccc

[viscid wedge]

[potent fossil]

only tasteful memes allowed now

not the garbage pile that was spammed in there before

[untold copper]

take this

[viscid wedge]

ok

[potent fossil]

The discord one is not 🤔

(:thinking:)

it is :thonk:

[warm anchor]

that's :thong:

[golden gust]

is a master piece

[warm anchor]

[golden gust]

that's the clothing that you wear from your mothers special draw

I mean, what

[viscid wedge]

[void void]

[viscid wedge]

[untold copper]

yes

[viscid wedge]

[twin lagoon]

🤔

[viscid wedge]

[untold copper]

wtf #games in archive

:(

[worn ember]

its your fault snoopa

[untold copper]

:(

[warm anchor]

You still have #share-your-pc @untold copper

[wispy blade]

LMAO

[viscid wedge]

You did this to yourself

[ripe sphinx]

https://i.imgur.com/eHyTeY4.png

[viscid wedge]

[void void]

[hexed dragon]

[viscid wedge]

[untold copper]

@worn ember i love AE2

[worn ember]

ye

[untold copper]

:)

gn bois

[fallen oracle]

Oh man I remember the days of AE2.

[ashen cliff]

AE1!

[ripe sphinx]

ah flashbacks to when I'd watch DW20 for hours upon hours on end...good times

[ashen cliff]

Good times.

[pastel kettle]

[craggy steppe]

is paperspigot better than the officials server.jar?

in terms of performance?

[twin lagoon]

yes

that's why it exists

[daring gulch]

Guys..
James Webb Space Telescope launch date = Nov 2021
hype

[craggy steppe]

how much would you say?

[twin lagoon]

a lot

[fathom peak]

Hi

[craggy steppe]

what about normal spigot?

[twin lagoon]

no idea

[craggy steppe]

because right now im getting a little lag with 4gbs hosted on my old computer

with maximum 3 players online on 1.17 using spigot.

[twin lagoon]

i mean yeah

3 players you're not going to notice much of a difference

[fathom peak]

[ashen cliff]

Well. Async chunks Michael brother.

[craggy steppe]

so you would say i would get zero or close to zero lag when paper comes out?

[obtuse jasper]

no

[left swift]

Depends on a lot of things

[obtuse jasper]

you'll get twice the lag

that's why paper exists

to lag your server

it's their intension

[craggy steppe]

oh alright then

[left swift]

Turn your server up to 1!

[daring gulch]

until then, change sync-chunk-writes=true to false in server properties

[obtuse jasper]

or make it true++

[craggy steppe]

what does that do?

[proud lance]

Rubber banding lag is a feature, you get to think twice about your next move

[daring gulch]

makes chunks save on another thread afaik

[left swift]

Why is that in the server properties

[craggy steppe]

"until then"? Should I disable it when paper comes out? If so, why?

[daring gulch]

It's not relevant when paper comes out, because it's enabled by default in paper

[twin lagoon]

paper ignores that option

[daring gulch]

by enabled I mean set to false

[craggy steppe]

Thanks guys

[obtuse jasper]

np gl playing your super innovative prison op offline mode at 1.17

[left swift]

Atleast it isn't 1.8

[craggy steppe]

i dont think i mentioned what gamemode it was, but as i said, it is 1.17 and maximum 3 players online, so i'll let you think what it is.

[hardy ginkgo]

it's paper not paperspigot

[craggy steppe]

?

[hardy ginkgo]

the name of the server software is "paper", not "paperspigot", like you said

[craggy steppe]

okay i apologize.

[granite gull]

How can I activate notifications for #❗-1-17 but turn it off for everything else

I tried adding it to the exceptions and tell it to notify me on every message there but it didn't work

[limber trout]

anyone know about commands?

/summon horse ~ ~ ~ {Tame:1,SaddleItem:{id:saddle,Count:1},CustomName:""Hi""}

i want the name of the horse to be player names's horse instead of hi

anyone know how id do that?

[wraith lantern]

@limber trout are u using any plugins or is this in vanilla?

[queen stump]

is there any way to make a rectangular world border?

[wraith lantern]

because in vanilla you cant do that

[queen stump]

and if you can't make a rectangular world border, is there a plugin that allows it?

[limber trout]

how do i do that as a plugin then?

[heady turret]

ITS COMING HOME ITS COMING HOME ITS COMING FOOTBALL'S COMING HOME

[wraith lantern]

well if you wanted to do it in a plugin, I think you could pull the data/name from the player and have an entity spawn (horse) with the name being like &(nameplaceholder)'s Horse or something like that

[gritty herald]

anybody know when this is going to be done?

[wraith lantern]

not in the next 10 seconds

[gritty herald]

crap

[drowsy prism]

not in the next minute

[limber trout]

lol

[gritty herald]

bruh rlly

im out then

[twin lagoon]

.eta

[limber knot]

(See also #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785

[gritty herald]

and what step are they in rn

[twin lagoon]

read

[gritty herald]

ah

thx

had to get my reading glasses

[swift orbit]

Hi what are goblins

Ooooooooooooh

Ok

[velvet fable]

Afternoon friends was wondering where I could ask for leads on a plugin.

[heady turret]

You'll get banned if you dare ask a question

[potent fossil]

No you won't.

[potent fossil]

"Leads"?

[void void]

sup

when is papermc done with the update thingy

[potent fossil]

.eta

[limber knot]

(See also #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785

[velvet fable]

I'm looking for a working NPC plugin that I could use for shops.

[potent fossil]

Citizens 2.

[heady turret]

Yo

[potent fossil]

They can be customized deeply with the Denizen addon too.

There is a discord for it

[heady turret]

Don't ask any questions bro

[void void]

do you actually get banned

[potent fossil]

This is some really low tier bait.

[heady turret]

Apparently

[potent fossil]

Try harder.

[heady turret]

That's what people are saying

[void void]

Yeah I like fishing

[heady turret]

So I'm not risking that shit

[wispy blade]

questions are fine as long as they aren't related to when paper releases 1.17

[potent fossil]

You aren't going to catch anything with that bait

Oh, naomi bit.

[void void]

I have caught a bluefish before with my dad

[heady turret]

I'm not baiting I'm just saying what I've heard

[wispy blade]

read the [] in my username >:c

[potent fossil]

People are being banned for repeatedly asking for ETAs. That's pretty much it. Or being assholes.

[heady turret]

And i don't wanna get banned or anything

[potent fossil]

Otherwise you are fine.

[velvet fable]

I was hoping for a free one, I sadly don't have the money for it >.<

[heady turret]

Yoo @potent fossil

It's coming home

[potent fossil]

Read the page. There is a free version.

You just need to click the link. It's small.

And if you like it, consider donating later on when you are able.

[wind geyser]

Nintendo Direct wasn't good imo

[wispy blade]

epic

[ashen cliff]

Bro!

Bayonetta is epic.

[wispy blade]

krusic bro!

facts bro.

[wind geyser]

Still waiting for Waluigi for smash

[ashen cliff]

Bro! Just maybe helped out someone using meta communications bro!

Good deed of the day done.

[velvet fable]

Thank you! didn't see that it's legit the word Here highlighted on a white background lol. Doesn't help with my colour blindness lol

[wind geyser]

At least you admitted your mistakes

[wispy blade]

just a regular day on dutch twitter

[worn ember]

stupid question, on official documents do you write first or last name first?

name lastname or lastname name

[ashen cliff]

Depends.

[worn ember]

its not really specified

[ashen cliff]

We actually have it specified here.

[potent fossil]

No worries.

[wispy blade]

if it's a paper with multiple people, first letter lastname

if it's just you, firstname lastname

unless you're from japan

[woeful urchin]

have u seen

whats happening in kenya

[potent fossil]

#politics

[flat elm]

Does someone know the eta for paper

[potent fossil]

.eta

[limber knot]

(See also #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785

[flat elm]

:(

I wanted to hit goblins with my bat

[potent fossil]

Ok

[hazy osprey]

Does anyone know any good places to advertise MC servers if I’m looking for really talented experienced players?

[twin lagoon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/635144592534011958/854406567424557076/9.mov

windows 11

[unreal quarry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AhT8Ls9Jt8

[hazy osprey]

Thanks

[rough elm]

[magic river]

Wait did Nintendo announce another new Metroid game before the last one is released?

[hazy osprey]

Wait that’s pretty cool lmao, not exactly what I’m looking for but none the less pretty funny

[magic river]

Or did they just change Metroid Prime 4 to be Metroid 5?

(just started video, was in a meeting)

[twin lagoon]

<@&748618676189528155>

[rancid field]

.start

[magic river]

Wait Smash has an actual fighting game character in it now?

[ashen cliff]

Bro.

Epic.

[cunning raft]

!ban @terse sapphire not the place to advertise

[wispy blade]

dude windows 11 bringing back the windows 8 start menu in a less annoying way?

[thorny flicker]

:raised_hands: Banned Kipo#5935 (not the place to advertise) [1 total infraction] -- Joshie#0001.

[wispy blade]

kinda cringe

also hi jroy

[cunning raft]

yo yo

[magic river]

I don't think Windows 11 is a real thing, that looks like a tweaked Windows 10X interface

[twin lagoon]

it's a legitimate dev build

you can find the build by doing some research™️

[magic river]

🏴‍☠️

[tired heath]

ETA of when the live stream of 1.17 coding will be at least 4K?

[wispy blade]

never

twitch/discord don't support 4k

[mossy vessel]

kenni cannot afford that

[wispy blade]

cuz discord bitrate too low

[celest coyote]

discord would run at .5fps

[cosmic raft]

https://www.zdnet.com/article/leaked-windows-11-build-shows-a-windows-10x-like-interface/

[unreal quarry]

guess they changed their mind about 10 being the "last" version ever?

[cunning raft]

could just be a new version number but free upgrade?

[tired heath]

Actually wanted to switch my Internet to 5G, than I realized, there are hardly 5G router/modems below 300 bugs

😦

[wide chasm]

Different game

[modern bone]

more info the 24th iirc

[limber knot]

rofl. did i get banned for pointing out the user name in that 11 video

[magic river]

Life is Strange: True Colors looks cute

[mossy cliff]

It would be nice if paper supported OP levels. I run a small SMP server and it would be nice to protect spawn without having to install permissions plugins. giving limited OP to members just so they can destroy spawn and not use /give commands would be nice. not sure why this feature is removed from paper

[cunning raft]

it does

op-level is in server-properties

[mossy cliff]

but it is ignored by paper

[cunning raft]

is it?

you could use the permissions.yml in that case

[mossy cliff]

i gave myself the OP level just to destroy spawn and it gave me abilities to do /gamemode creative and /give

https://www.reddit.com/r/admincraft/comments/bei0n1/op_level_help/

[wispy blade]

did you restart the server after you edited the op-level

[limber knot]

I don't see anywhere on that Windows 11 video that it shows a username

bottom left of the pinned screen at the start

[wispy blade]

YUANXIANG XU

[mossy cliff]

advice like "use permissions plugin" is no excuse by the developer team. Having a FEATURE in the settings just to completely ignore the setting is dum dum https://www.reddit.com/r/admincraft/comments/bei0n1/op_level_help/el6weqs?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[magic river]

Hmm, you're right

Time to ban @twin lagoon

[potent panther]

hello

[wispy blade]

pr it then

if you want it so bad

[mossy cliff]

"op levels are basically ignored" - then.. idk, add this to your list of 500 patches?

[twin lagoon]

ok

are you going to fix it yourself then?

[magic river]

Why would Spigot break op levels? 😛

[wispy blade]

it's Spigot what do you expect kapp

[magic river]

I can understand why Bukkit and plugin commands wouldn't work with them but the switch to using vanilla commands should have made that work

Did he (or me maybe back in the day?) replace the op check with a permission check instead of doing an ||?

I could see myself doing that with the thought that permissions should rule everything

Although I don't remember who did the switch to vanilla commands but I want to say mbaxter or t00thp1ck

[wispy blade]

👀 mbax

[magic river]

I tried to make selectors work with bukkit commands instead but then vanilla added commands we didn't want to make API for

Or didn't want to bother with right then at least

btw the commands are basically an NBT API so... yeah, fun

[wispy blade]

yikes...

[magic river]

That's what mojangson is, a text representation of NBT

[true canyon]

I didn't do it!

[magic river]

Ooh Mario Golf

Oh, I think we had it wired up without actually patching the vanilla commands at all

[tawdry salmon]

1.17 when?

[golden gust]

How do you propose that op levels work along side permissions?

[wide chasm]

.eta

[limber knot]

(See also #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785

[golden gust]

I mean, for vanilla commands it can work, but you are limited in what you can actually control

[magic river]

Permissions normally do an op check inside the permission check (more or less), for vanilla commands you'd do the vanilla op check || permission

That would require actually patching all of the vanilla commands though instead of just a wrapper around calling them that checks the permission first

Which is what I think we did in CraftBukkit

I don't know, at some point my old CraftBukkit clone got corrupted, I'm stuck on a really old branch

[golden gust]

it's one of the horrors of OP in general is how it's treated

[magic river]

Permissions were created before op levels were a thing

[golden gust]

practically everything else bar vanilla treats op as a boolean state rather than dealing with levels as such

Yea

[magic river]

And are generally a vastly superior system

I don't even think there is API for getting the op level

[golden gust]

Horror is tryna marry the two together, as no doubt there are people who wanna use op but also deny perms to stuff

[pure sorrel]

hi guys

[potent panther]

access the op json?

[pure sorrel]

anyone do have an ideea when paper 1.17 will launch?

[golden gust]

.eta

[limber knot]

(See also #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785

[potent panther]

the goblins are coming

[pure sorrel]

?

[brave radish]

@mossy vessel so put in the rules that if you don't put "Cheese" in your first message you'll get temporarily muted :)

[potent panther]

the goblins will eat you

[pure sorrel]

maybe they ll eat u

[wispy blade]

true alvaro

[potent panther]

https://discordapp.com/channels/289587909051416579/849485737748594699/853996636204302359

[pure sorrel]

ohh

now i get it

i was a bit confused

[wispy blade]

how do people miss the #❗-1-17 channel it's so obvious 😔

[pure sorrel]

just discord experience

i didnt even know what eta means

since im not a native english

and i dont even really know how things works

for the moment

[wispy blade]

it's not just you

it's about 20+ people a day

[golden gust]

god

[pure sorrel]

yeah..

[golden gust]

could you imagine

[pure sorrel]

maybe not enough patience yk

[golden gust]

Back when I was in school and such, if you wanted to know what something meant, you had to grab a dictionary and scroll through it to the correct page

[fallen oracle]

Dang, you're old.

[pure sorrel]

really old

[golden gust]

am only 25...6...

26

[magic river]

Dang, it looks like you play as Link in BotW2

[worn ember]

old man

[pure sorrel]

u still made it sound like it was a habit ages ago

[golden gust]

I mean, it was

[magic river]

Remember encyclopedias?

[golden gust]

oh god

[ashen cliff]

Still use them. But to hold up stuff.

[wispy blade]

encyclopdedias 😍

[golden gust]

I used to have like a student one which had like a few books

used to always browse over the science one

[worn ember]

the atlas 👀

[golden gust]

To think

[viscid wedge]

WORLD BOOK

[potent panther]

books are made of paper

[golden gust]

The days of flicking through an encylocpedia for an hour was replaced into the activity of losing yourself on wikipedia

[wispy blade]

brb forking paper calling it cardboard

[magic river]

First time I saw Encarta I knew encyclopedias were a waste of time

[viscid wedge]

already exists

[pure sorrel]

lmao did i really started a thing

[magic river]

My uncle still thought it was a good idea to buy a set in ~2002, no one has ever used them afaik

[viscid wedge]

https://cardboardpowered.org/

Don't use this

But it exists

[golden gust]

I mean, they where nice as a quick "imma flick through it out of boredom", but, that's more coz I was actually kinda interested in that stuff

[magic river]

Other than him randomly opening one every now and then until like 2007, his kids always just looked stuff up online 😛

[golden gust]

Yea, I mean, internet is updated and such

[potent panther]

carboadr is a fork of bukkit spigot paper for fabric

[worn ember]

real time paper is a thing

[wispy blade]

alright calling it envelope then

[viscid wedge]

call your build system wax

[wispy blade]

.wat

[limber knot]

https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat

[worn ember]

call it beesnuts

[wispy blade]

nah i'll call it postcard :p

[viscid wedge]

You know, what's used to seal envelopes

[worn ember]

No

[potent panther]

we could get a rl paper and write 1.17 on it and crush it onto the pc

[tropic flame]

yet another inconsistent user interface by microsoft?

[wide chasm]

Their specialty

[tropic flame]

they're trying to make windows look like macOS for some damn reason

[potent panther]

we have same icon

[tropic flame]

the taskbar icons at the center...

[golden gust]

oh god

[frank otter]

Microsoft should stop stealing styles

[worn ember]

is that china windows?

[golden gust]

it looks like they're tryna clone ye' ol' KDE

[potent panther]

xue

hua

piao

piao

[twin lagoon]

kde looks worse lmao

[golden gust]

Stop spamming

[frank otter]

KDE was cool but mine was themed unto nuts

[viscid wedge]

leaked prototype build of Windows 11

[worn ember]

[golden gust]

I just felt that KDE always felt like a waste of screen space

[tropic flame]

and then people be surprised I'm still riding windows 7

[golden gust]

Like, everything felt stupidly bubbly and oversized

[magic mesa]

Is it confirmed that windows 11 will be a thing, seen quite a few reddit posts saying there will be even with the ms support page saying windows 10 is discontinued in 14th october 2024 I think?

[frank otter]

Wait windows 11 wtf

[twin lagoon]

that sounds like gnome not kde

[viscid wedge]

People like you disgust me

[golden gust]

and, yea, you can theme it and shit, but, I like DEs where I don't gotta do jack shit

[frank otter]

is it actually gonna be a thing

[golden gust]

Gnome 2 is the real gnome

gnome shell is a myth

IT'S A MYTH I TELL YOU

[magic mesa]

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-10-home-and-pro

[tropic flame]

No it is not. What will lose support is Windows 10 without any feature updates.

[worn ember]

why would they bring out w11 when they can just update w10? is it too bloated already they cant add any more "features"?

[magic mesa]

Ahh ok

[tropic flame]

Windows 10 will still be a thing, it is the last windows as they themselves call it

[limber knot]

one step closer to a subscription model

[viscid wedge]

This engineering build is branded windows 11 lmao

[frank otter]

Oh fudge it has a retirement date

[magic river]

Yeah unless Zelda is just running around with one of her boobs out, that's Link.

[limber knot]

they'll eventually get the $$$ out of you

[potent panther]

https://youtu.be/ltSQ-czeDEE

[golden gust]

I think it's the "we're tryna set a new direction and are worried that people will stick behind on the outdated unsupported versions"

[frank otter]

They do that like with every release tho

[worn ember]

i have updates disabled and it still forced that ugly ass "weather" thing on my taskbar lmao

[golden gust]

quickly tries to draw a line in the sand

[magic mesa]

Anyway to remove that ugly weather bar?

[twin lagoon]

yes

[viscid wedge]

just come to the dark side

[twin lagoon]

you just disable it

[magic mesa]

on my screen it's blurred to shit

found it

[magic river]

Maybe they'll use their new containers feature to run old windows apps and Windows 11 will be the API break we've always wanted 😛

(yeah right)

[viscid wedge]

Heh

As if

mfw windows 10 still has compatibility with ME programs

[golden gust]

still supports 9x programs

[magic river]

I suppose now that they've put enough layers between you and Win32 it doesn't really matter what's under there most of the time

[worn ember]

lmao the random whitespace between it tho

[frank otter]

I'm not a windows dev but I imagine that people are used to the horrible current win32 api

but yeah layers

[magic river]

Windows 10 will still run Win32s programs means for Windows 3.1 afaik

[golden gust]

Issue is that they can't replace anything

[magic river]

Only reason you can't go further back is the lack of 16-bit support when running on a 64-bit system

[frank otter]

what in the

[viscid wedge]

Win32 developers should have been killed in their cribs

[frank otter]

when was windows 3.1

[golden gust]

e.g. they wanted to go with the whole UWP crap but nobody really cares to actually like, do that bar a few which wanted to get on the store in the early days

[frank otter]

have you seen x11

[golden gust]

The entire platform is a mismanaged horror of "but mah legacy"

[magic mesa]

I would use the weather bar if it didn't look so blurry, I mean it's nice it told me there maybe a thunderstorm

[magic river]

UWP was another .NET push though

[viscid wedge]

Xorg is also fucking disgusting

[magic river]

WinRT or whatever they call it now makes more sense

[viscid wedge]

at least Wayland and xenocara exist

[frank otter]

do you use it

wait

[golden gust]

x11 was a massive plague on the community but literally the only option for like a few decades

[frank otter]

wtf is xenocara

[viscid wedge]

OpenBSD xorg fork

[frank otter]

wayland I don't use because idk how stable it is and how functional

[twin lagoon]

wayland is great

[flat shale]

how're the goblins doing?

[frank otter]

some day I should try it

[viscid wedge]

Wayland is near flawless unless you're an nvidiot

[flat shale]

have they been fed?

[frank otter]

amd igpu gang

[magic river]

It's a modern take on an API but works like glib/GTK: write the API in C (or maybe C++ in their case) and use introspection and code generation to automatically produce bindings for every other language

[worn ember]

MS has more frameworks than the eifel tower

[magic river]

They've always kind of supported that with COM but they never really used it

[void void]

If your excited for paper 1.17 and you know it clap your hands

[magic river]

WinRT is like COM 3.0

[worn ember]

clap my cheeks

[frank otter]

COM as in COM ports?

[magic river]

Win32s came out in 1993, btw

[frank otter]

oh jeez

that explains a lot

[magic river]

So the oldest programs Windows 10 will run are 28 years old

[blazing quarry]

help

[worn ember]

it cant even run 16bit games

booo

[blazing quarry]

im trying to connect to my server with ssh but the key doesnt work

[golden gust]

there is actually a program which lets you do that stuff

[tropic flame]

their compatibility layers often don't work anyway

[wispy blade]

win10 32bit can with some trickery run 16 bit

yes

[magic river]

COM isn't as in COM ports, it's Component Object Model

[worn ember]

yeah but no one sane runs 32bit

[golden gust]

32 bit supports 16 unless they tried to strip that out which I doubt

[magic river]

Microsoft made a cross-language OOP thing back in the day

[worn ember]

it does work on 32bit

[golden gust]

issue is that 64 bit CPUs don't allow 16 bit execution modes (at least not when in 64 bit mode)

[tropic flame]

it's not with some trickery, it's actually supported

[magic river]

I think it was mostly meant to be like GObject, a way to get OOP in C

[viscid wedge]

Is your agent running

[blazing quarry]

what's an agent? sorry im new at this

[wispy blade]

sudo service ssh start

[golden gust]

chances are they're not using an agent

make sure that you generated the key and installed the public key onto the user you're tryna connect to

[magic river]

Windows 10 32-bit isn't a thing, is it?

[wispy blade]

it is

[golden gust]

make sure that the file perms are correct, etc

[magic river]

I thought they dropped that like 5 years ago

[golden gust]

it is

They said about dropping it but afaik it still exists

[worn ember]

me contributing to the game

[golden gust]

Ah, they dropped 32 bit releases for OEMs

[tropic flame]

it is

[golden gust]

But, it still exists and is supported for now

[wispy blade]

for now™

[magic river]

iirc it is actually possible to get 16-bit things to run when you have a 64-bit kernel, it's just a PITA

So they don't bother

[viscid wedge]

You shouldn't

[worn ember]

no YOU shouldn't

[golden gust]

that's a bad attitude

with that type of attitude we wouldn't of gotten jurassic park

[viscid wedge]

@magic river somewhat related, have you heard of HX-DOS? It's a DOS extension that allows you to run Win32 programs

[tropic flame]

i can't wait until one gigatrillion terabytes of ram is not enough and we invent 128-bit consumer CPUs /s

[viscid wedge]

I looked at the source and immediately got lost

[blazing quarry]

I have both private key and public key saved on my computer, but I don't know where to upload them to connect

[magic river]

Intel said it wasn't supported so Microsoft never implemented it but either AMD supported it and Intel added it later or someone figured out a thing like triple fault to do it

[worn ember]

we should clone kash to replace cat, he's actually doing stuff

[golden gust]

I mean, if you have real ssh, ssh-copy-id user<@&784074568444674078> and then login

[worn ember]

nice ping

[golden gust]

if you're using some GUI client, basically, google it

[magic river]

Nope, never saw HX-DOS before

Did it exist in 1993? 😛

[frank otter]

reminds me of the time someone pinged world when they tryna emerge --ask @world

[golden gust]

but, keys go in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys by default

[lyric hinge]

Uhh hi 😄

[viscid wedge]

https://www.japheth.de/HX.html

[golden gust]

whistles innocently

[magic river]

Once Windows 95 was a thing I don't know why I would have bothered with such a thing and I don't really have an interest in retrocomputing

[viscid wedge]

It's so cursed

[frank otter]

wait host is a role lmao

[worn ember]

lmfao gg cat

[blazing quarry]

I'm trying to use PuTTY from my computer to connect to the linux server

[lyric hinge]

hostnamectl set-hostname everyone

[magic river]

Is this just WINE?

[viscid wedge]

If wine ran on 16-bit DOS

Sure

[proud lance]

Host Minecraft servers on windows 95

[golden gust]

I'd suggest googling it, there are guides on getting putty keys setup

[proud lance]

Paper windows 95 when

[magic river]

Ah, no, it only does a tiny bit of Win32

[golden gust]

not used it in years, thankfully, so 🤷‍♂️

[magic river]

Probably just the stuff from Win32s

[broken rampart]

16 bit paper when

[viscid wedge]

16 bit JVM

[tropic flame]

i think "just because we can" is a huge motivation for many

[golden gust]

brb, going to setup a VM on proxmox

[void void]

Delete system 32 it gives you free nitro

[magic river]

Sure, some people like seeing if they can make an old thing do something crazy/impossible

[worn ember]

remove brain, it gives you free sleep

[viscid wedge]

Chocohead made a fabric mod that allows you to load 1.17 with Java 8

I thought that was pretty disgusting

Need to make sure people do not find it

[magic river]

Me, once I had a proper way to run Win32 apps that was also just a better OS (I like having a terminal open but DOS is ass) I wouldn't have ever looked at anything for DOS again

[worn ember]

lmao

[magic river]

Except when I had to mess with it to get DOS games to work

[worn ember]

why even bother backporting

not like it matters

[tropic flame]

that's amazing!

runs

[magic river]

Making old things work on new hardware/OS is cool for preservation and nostalgia reasons but making new stuff work on old hardware/OS is just weird to me

[viscid wedge]

Don't ever look at netbsd then

[ashen cliff]

But why? Java 16 is easier to run on stuff, unlike the higher OpenGL version.

[magic river]

The only reason I'm happy about rust supports m68k is the same 5 people who still have one always came into Rust discussions and bitched about no m68k support

Otherwise I'll never use it or care that it exists 😛

[wispy blade]

wtf even is m68k

[magic river]

Macintosh before PowerPC

And Amiga, iirc

[worn ember]

ancient bricks

[viscid wedge]

an old CISC architecture

[wispy blade]

1979

man

[viscid wedge]

Hasn't been in wide use since the late eighties

[wispy blade]

this shit almost as old as my parents

[viscid wedge]

iirc

[magic river]

Macs were using it until like 1993 I think?

[viscid wedge]

it is older than one of my parents

[golden gust]

Yea, but, gotta keep system going BRRRR

[worn ember]

my computer is the size of my room and it has 2MB memory

[ashen cliff]

Cat bro! We need #games back.

[magic river]

First PowerPC Mac was 1994 so they were using m68k until then

[golden gust]

I mean, I leave channel management to others, but, I did suggest renaming #share-your-pc to like a pc-corner channel

[wispy blade]

2Kb*

[worn ember]

why was games removed anyway

[wispy blade]

gimpl

hi

[potent fossil]

tbh yea share-your-pc is too specific, could just be pc-corner for sure

hi

just got done with art class

[wispy blade]

:o

[viscid wedge]

Honestly cannot name an OS that'll even run without 24MB of memory

[worn ember]

"nerds go here"

[golden gust]

You can run Linux in like 11MB

[wispy blade]

use TetrisOS

[viscid wedge]

Nevermind

NetBSD runs on 4 MB

[golden gust]

You're not gonna get a release kernel in there, but, strip linux down enough it will run and even have a bit of space

[ashen cliff]

I assume I could run my linux mini computer on less. Tho I need wifi and usb support.

[twin lagoon]

Bro.

[ashen cliff]

Bro!

[golden gust]

ofc, downfall is that theres hardly much room for user space or kernel buffers, so it's gonna run as fast as fat bastard going to EAT A BEEBIII

[twin lagoon]

KGBLinux

-2MB

[viscid wedge]

The minimal configuration for a NetBSD/i386 system requires 4M of RAM and about 40M of disk space. For a full installation (including source and X11), at least 8M of RAM and 200M of disk space are recommended.

bruh

[mortal zinc]

what about DOS

[golden gust]

kernels can be light AF

[twin lagoon]

KGBLinux already runs on everyone's Intel CPUs

[golden gust]

biggest issue is having kernel modules for the typical setups

[viscid wedge]

that's minix

[golden gust]

It's useless if a kernel release doesn't run on a good chunk of hardware

[viscid wedge]

Intel minix

[wispy blade]

nono

[tropic flame]

it even runs in TI-84's!

[magic river]

Apple used m68k for 10 years, PowerPC for 12 years, and x86 for 14 years. What do you think is going to replace ARM in 2036?

[wispy blade]

KGBLinux is better bro

[twin lagoon]

KGBLinux

[golden gust]

inb4 AYYYMD

[viscid wedge]

hopefully openpower

[magic river]

No no, they already dropped PPC and x86, why would they go back? That would mean they did something wrong 😛

[viscid wedge]

Courage.

[magic river]

Also openpower is trash 😛

[viscid wedge]

what makes you think so?

genuinely curious, I've heard nothing but good things from people who run it (outside of the whole POWER10 yield issues)

[dim heart]

hi smart people

[magic river]

It's not actually open, is it? I thought they "open sourced" a tiny example core but to actually get it made you still had to license the ISA from them

[golden gust]

I mean, I don't follow OSS news all too much, and not heard all too much of open power

[magic river]

They were just open to licensing it to anyone, like ARM does

[dim heart]

This chat is too smart for me

il just watch

And cry

[golden gust]

They have some big players backing it, but, it just seems as much of a typical "big coorp giving to the little guy and praying they get something out of it"

[viscid wedge]

https://www.theregister.com/2019/08/29/intel_10nm_fpga_openpower/

That move will allow people to design their own OpenPOWER-compatible microprocessors at no cost: no royalties or license fees need to be paid to IBM nor the OpenPOWER Foundation```

[golden gust]

They still seem to be heavily a dream project

[magic river]

Ah, so they just changed recently 😛

[viscid wedge]

2019

[magic river]

I wrote them off after the whole thing first started and they weren't actually open

[viscid wedge]

So relatively yeah

[golden gust]

Cool, big player opened up some of their stuff to the foundation

[magic river]

It's been a thing since 2013 but was a lie until 2019

[viscid wedge]

lol

yeah pretty much

It only became worth paying attention to in like 2018 anyways though

[upper eagle]

Ayo I’ve been following the PaperMC updates for 1.17 and was wondering how much is “numerous patches”

[magic river]

Anyway, maybe someone could make something power efficient with it but I've only seen POWER used in giant CISCy power guzzling designs

[brave radish]

in what context?

[twin lagoon]

numerous

[viscid wedge]

Yeah it's like, not exactly made for consumer deployment right now

[twin lagoon]

no thank you for being immature

[magic river]

It's for IBM mainframes

[wispy blade]

i accidentally pasted the minimum requirements for netbsd into my school assignment, oops

[viscid wedge]

Datacenter focus

[golden gust]

I mean, the "big move" for them seems to have been varying big companies opening their stuff up to the world

[upper eagle]

Uh like an estimate of not that much or literally a lot still that kind of thing yknow idk

[golden gust]

Not really anything direct from OpenPower

[twin lagoon]

and you're a perfect candidate for it with your mysql library & comments you just made

[brave radish]

I mean where did you see the word "numerous?"

[blazing quarry]

alright im in

[wispy blade]

There are still numerous patches in need of updating which were skipped earlier on to speed up the initial update.

• jmp

[twin lagoon]

same shit

[wispy blade]

#❗-1-17

[brave radish]

oh that

[upper eagle]

#❗-1-17 message

[blazing quarry]

i got into the server on ssh alright

[upper eagle]

Yee

[wispy blade]

numerous means quite a few

[golden gust]

See the repo, as noted numerous times, am not gonna pester people to stop what they're doing to give an accurate count

[potent fossil]

Congratulations 360matt

[brave radish]

like 30 or so (to Warrenicus)

[vast peak]

Hello therw

[potent fossil]

Hi

[upper eagle]

Uh aight ig I can wait anyway dw

Thanks

[magic river]

Huh, so the cores IBM put out verilog for are Power ISA 2.0 but we're up to 3.1 now?

Are they any open designs for a 3.1 core?

Or even a 3.0 core (POWER9)

[viscid wedge]

I'm not actually sure, I don't follow it super closely since it's outside of my price range

[magic river]

Oh boy Power ISA 3.1 is a variable length instruction encoding

There is a community project trying to make a 3.0 core, Libre-SOC

[blazing quarry]

what is the file that runs a command in linux

what format

[magic river]

Oh, IBM's Microwatt example core is also a 3.0 core

It's their bigger designs that are still the older spec

[viscid wedge]

A shell script?

[blazing quarry]

ye

like to start a minecraft server

[twin lagoon]

bash or shell script

[brave radish]

it's just a file with a bunch of commands on their own lines

[wispy blade]

.sh

[blazing quarry]

ok thanks naomi

[brave radish]

and a line at the top to declare what shell it runs with (sometimes)

[viscid wedge]

technically can have any extension

[blazing quarry]

yeah it's just a file that executes the commands and jvm arguments i want

[wispy blade]

don't forget to put the right heading into it

[blazing quarry]

that's where i put aikar's flags right

[brave radish]

ye

[blazing quarry]

right heading?

[wispy blade]

yeh

[blazing quarry]

like $?

[brave radish]

just put #!/bin/bash at the top (on its own line)

[blazing quarry]

o

[brave radish]

not always even needed though

[wispy blade]

that's what i mean with heading ^^

[blazing quarry]

ok nice

[void void]

Why use linux?

[blazing quarry]

im gonna install ftp now to make life easier

[void void]

I think it sheLl or sum

[blazing quarry]

isnt linux like the usual os to run minecraft servers on?

what do you use?

[void void]

Huh

[brave radish]

yes

[void void]

Linux is like a free windows

[brave radish]

and servers in general, really

[coarse lily]

Don't hate the list, hate the people who do things to end up on the list

[viscid wedge]

oops wrong reply

[brave radish]

uhh... no, no it isn't

[void void]

I thought u ment linux operating system

[viscid wedge]

misguided at best

[wispy blade]

linux is epic

[blazing quarry]

why would you want to host a server on a Windows desktop environment that sounds really unstable

[brave radish]

Yes, A. We are talking about the same Linux

[blazing quarry]

or do you mean the Windows server edition?

[wispy blade]

cinnamon DE

[brave radish]

Linux is not "just free Windows"

that doesn't even make sense

[wispy blade]

linux isn't even close to windows

[blazing quarry]

so when i install Ftp for my server is it basically the same steps as in Ubuntu?

[brave radish]

also Windows is free; just don't activate it and it doesn't really care 😄

[void void]

wut

[wispy blade]

depends on your distro but yes

[void void]

What te fuck what linux we talking about

[wispy blade]

except via commandline

[viscid wedge]

If you already have openssh running, don't bother, you can use sftp

[blazing quarry]

I'm using Oracle Java

[main sorrel]

linux better than windows in any way possible

[void void]

How

Its free

[brave radish]

If you mean from oracle.com, don't

[blazing quarry]

i mean Oracle Linux

[brave radish]

ah ok lol

[void void]

Its 20 years behund

[blazing quarry]

lol

[void void]

Linux is a op system

[viscid wedge]

Fucking operating system elitists on both sides are irritating as shit.

@main sorrel @void void both of you, go elsewhere

[void void]

Why

[viscid wedge]

not the place for this kind of discussion

[brave radish]

because you're not doing anything except throwing random opinions that don't even make sense over actual questions

[potent fossil]

All of you close your eyes and take a nice slow deep breath with your nose. Hold it for 5 seconds. Then breathe out over 7 seconds.

Do it again twice.

Then type your next message.

[viscid wedge]

"discussion"

[blazing quarry]

on their website it says it's an alternative to CentOS

[main sorrel]

i was joking around but I see your point

[brave radish]

yeah they're very similar

[viscid wedge]

Oracle Linux is probably one of the only good things to come out of Oracle these days

[tropic flame]

and then people complain about Paper-chan taking her time to write

[viscid wedge]

It's usually binary compatible with RHEL

[void void]

What is oracle linux tf fuck

[blazing quarry]

anyway sftp

[potent fossil]

We all could use a little peace

[wispy blade]

.hug simple

[plucky sparrow]

I've used Oracle Linux and it was not easy

[wispy blade]

why is that not a command >:c

[potent fossil]

idk

[viscid wedge]

If you have ssh running, you probably already have SFTP access

[void void]

I only know linux duck i had it on my old laptop

[viscid wedge]

Look into WinSCP if you're running Windows @blazing quarry

[blazing quarry]

o how can i know

filezilla doesnt work?

[brave radish]

ok then if you could refrain from making insane statements about Linux as a whole, that'd be great. thanks

[potent fossil]

sftp is ftp over ssh, so if you have ssh access just connect to sftp with the same details

[void void]

Just use zip

[potent fossil]

not to be confused with ftps, secure ftp

different things

[viscid wedge]

Filezilla apparently has SFTP access

[magic mesa]

I keep getting those mixed up

[viscid wedge]

I've never used it

[void void]

What we talking about

[amber frost]

CAN WE GET AN ETA

[wispy blade]

no

[potent fossil]

.eta

[limber knot]

(See also #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785

[amber frost]

[main sorrel]

i've used Filezilla with SFTP

[magic mesa]

Did a presentation for work experience and realised half way through I mixed em

[potent fossil]

Filezilla works well, but it has come under fire for apparently backdooring people or something

[void void]

[wispy blade]

in vc with friend
"how funny would it be if i opened up ssh on my wsl instance"

[potent fossil]

I'm not 100% familiar

[blazing quarry]

alright it worked

[void void]

What is ssh and wsl
Bruh

[viscid wedge]

Their installer had (has?) bundled adware or something

[wispy blade]

joe

[blazing quarry]

thanks for all your help, i'm in on filezilla now

[void void]

Ssd and hdd

[potent fossil]

ssh -> secure shell, used for accessing a remote computer with an ssh server usually linux
wsl -> windows subsystem for linux, running linux on windows

[void void]

Lol

[wispy blade]

A. -> low effort troll

[potent fossil]

Alright well, I'm gonna go buy a burrito at chipotle and maybe get a new tire for my car

Perhaps

Burrito for sure

[brave radish]

oooh yay

[void void]

I dont know a fuck abt op system i just know linux is with a duck and got race games witch a cart

[wispy blade]

no

[brave radish]

ofc

[potent fossil]

duck

[void void]

Who is a.

[viscid wedge]

[brave radish]

First off, the Linux mascot is a penguin, not a duck

[wispy blade]

you you mongrel

[void void]

Im b

[wispy blade]

i give up

[void void]

[viscid wedge]

Are you ESL or just stupid

[brave radish]

Secondly, if you "dont know a fuck abt op system" please stop talking about them

[void void]

Nerd

[potent fossil]

So, let me get this straight.

You KNOW it is a troll? And you are still swallowing his bait, hook line and sinker every single time?

[void void]

Linux sucks its poopie

[blazing quarry]

what's the command to open a directory in the shell

[potent fossil]

What are y'all doin

[wispy blade]

ls

[abstract peak]

omg WTF!

[wispy blade]

or ls -a

[void void]

Alt+f4 prob

[brave radish]

ls lists the files, cd to enter it

[viscid wedge]

Elaborate on what you mean by this

[abstract peak]

myy computer narrates everything I do but only in a certain window

[potent fossil]

cd, change directory.

[abstract peak]

but my windows narrator isn't turned on

WTF is happening?

[brave radish]

can someone ban this troll?

[void void]

No

[viscid wedge]

Just ignore

[cunning dagger]

i love trolls

[potent fossil]

It'd be nice if 1) you stop baiting and 2) y'all stop swallowing the bait

[viscid wedge]

underage b&

[cunning dagger]

what the dog doin

[abstract peak]

can someone please help me?

[void void]

Yelling ig lol

[brave radish]

at first I mistook the bait for ignorance

[wispy blade]

.halp

[brave radish]

with what?

[limber knot]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/555469074080202765/561287494075678721/image0.png

[blazing quarry]

how do i exit a directory lol

[abstract peak]

my windows computer narrates everything i do

[wispy blade]

cd ..

[potent fossil]

Halp was uncalled for, as he did explain it. Y'all were just too busy swallowing troll bait.

[brave radish]

cd .. goes up one, or just cd /path/to/where/you/want/to/go

[abstract peak]

but only in a certain window

[main sorrel]

cd ../

[potent panther]

cd C:

[blazing quarry]

thanks

[abstract peak]

and narrator isn't turned on

[void void]

Cd f4

[viscid wedge]

you probably turned on some kind of accessibility option in that program

[cunning dagger]

low quality bait

[wispy blade]

doesnt work bro, you gotta do c:

[viscid wedge]

Can't help much more than that

[potent panther]

oh

[potent fossil]

If it's a specific application doing it then that app might be using windows narrator api or something, check that app's settings. Otherwise

[wispy blade]

yeah figured that out the hard way

[brave radish]

u sure ab that?

[wispy blade]

on windows, yes

[void void]

2+2=5

[potent panther]

no its cd C:\ just tested it

[potent panther]

no, its 3

[void void]

Its alt f4

[potent panther]

minecraft enchantments

[cunning dagger]

unfunny

[waxen panther]

b you're not funny

[potent panther]

no its alt + space + c

[void void]

[brave radish]

<@&748618676189528155> please? this has been going on for a long time now

[cunning dagger]

bro.

[mossy vessel]

It wasn't funny the first time nor is it now. Time to leave discord for some while.

[waxen panther]

love u nmf

[void void]

Press powerbutton and f3 for fps boost

Like 20 sec

[wispy blade]

you're already on the C drive ;P

[tired heath]

Is actually a thing, as server it had vulnerabilities a long the way, would not use it as server. As client is more or less okay, there where two main issues: once the packed the main download in an extra wrapper containing malware and also they stored passwords in plaintext, so other software could easily read them out. Still the wrapper thing was more an issue on windows (not linux)

[potent fossil]

I mean, he's just trolling. Stop taking his bait and it'll stop, it's like ?? why are you taking the bait when you know it's bait. Stop replying and he will stop baiting when he realizes no one gives a shit

[potent panther]

no, alt + space + c is task manager

[void void]

Ok

[void void]

Wind+r is weird menu

[brave radish]

people did stop. he still kept going

[potent panther]

yes but

[wispy blade]

ctrl shift esc?

[potent panther]

nvm

[potent fossil]

Yeah he's going cause y'all are reacting to it

Just ignore him

[tired heath]

I meant Windows

[potent panther]

shhh

[void void]

Yes ignor him

[blazing quarry]

Hell yeah I started a minecraft server

[void void]

[cunning dagger]

so proud

[potent panther]

now you will be able to abuse owner powers

[cunning dagger]

and now youll get 5000 dms on discord 😄

[potent fossil]

Okay, I want my burrito but I don't want to drive to get it but at the same time I don't want to pay for delivery

This is a problem

NMF come to California and be my personal burrito courier

Pls 🥺

[brave radish]

Well get it somehow. Do not deny yourself the burrito.

[mossy vessel]

I'll drive over real quick

[blazing quarry]

i'm already a server owner, but i've never started a server directly from the shell

[potent panther]

use a water item system

[potent fossil]

wot

[mossy vessel]

But, kenni is a car enthusiast so he will wash my car tmrw first.

[wispy blade]

knencar

[potent fossil]

I think the driving across the atlantic will sufficiently wash your car

[brave radish]

ah. so you've had a while to abuse your owner privileges already 😄

[wispy blade]

me, abusing my admin rights 👀

[potent panther]

something like this

[viscid wedge]

I love blowing griefer's minds by rolling back all their hard work right in front of their eyes

[blazing quarry]

so since i'm running a proxy all i need is to open port 25565 right? no need to open the backend server ports?

[potent fossil]

Ah yes let me just build a water-item system IRL from my house to chipotle. Great idea thank you!

[viscid wedge]

yes

keep the other ones closed

keep 22 open as well for ssh/SFTP though

[brave radish]

The proxy needs to be able to reach the server, of course. Don't leave the backends open to the public.

[north parrot]

this might be one of the most satisfying things to do lmao

[potent fossil]

I did that once, many years ago in beta 1.8 lol. Dude was griefing everywhere in our creative (we had no land prot then, a plugin probably existed but we were noobs), so I /froze him with essentials I believe and made him watch me undo everything he did

[brave radish]

Chipotle free delivery?!

[viscid wedge]

I just undo it with CoreProtect instantly

[potent fossil]

yeah "free", just pay service fee + tax + driver tip

essentially the delivery fee lol

[blazing quarry]

uhh ok so how do i exit the minecraft server's command line and go back to the linux

[mossy vessel]

imagine giving tips pff

[potent fossil]

They just move the delivery fee into the other components of the bill and price actually doesn't go down

[potent fossil]

Yeah tip culture is disgusting but, murica

[brave radish]

You have to stop the server. If you want to do that without stopping the server, either ssh again from a new window or use tmux next time.

[potent fossil]

We pay our service industry 2 bucks an hour and uhhhh, yea, customers pay their...wages...

[brave radish]

You can also ctrl+z but the server doesn't like that

[viscid wedge]

Ctrl + C will kill the server. You'll have to run it in tmux or screen for it to persist after you close the ssh session

[brave radish]

Don't use ctrl+c. Use stop.

[mossy vessel]

Figured lmao

[viscid wedge]

pretty sure pressing it once has the same effect but I could be wrong

[mossy vessel]

But, I'm a good person always leaving some tips

[blazing quarry]

yeah im just gonna open in a new window

[potent fossil]

It's disgusting but I can't change it, so I leave a good tip when I order

But if I can't tip high enough, at least 25% of food subtotal, then i dont order

[brave radish]

sometimes it never fully quits and you have to spam ctrl+c for a while, which probably isn't good :)

[potent fossil]

that easy

[viscid wedge]

yeah that's not ideal

[blazing quarry]

Yes!

I logged in!

[brave radish]

Next time you start it, use tmux so that you can log out from ssh without killing the server

[mossy vessel]

Often people do round up to the next digit so if something's like 19.50 they give 20 and say it's fine lmao

[viscid wedge]

Or even just detach from the tmux session

[blazing quarry]

Thanks Zombie I'll keep that in mind

[mossy vessel]

Very cringe tips

[potent fossil]

Yeah that's an insulting tip here

If you do that you may as well not tip at all

[blazing quarry]

alright im successfully playing on my test server! who wants to join?

[brave radish]

tmux is very easy to learn. Just tmux to open a new session, ctrl+b, then just d to detach, and tmux attach to reattach. tmux ls lists active sessions.

[mossy vessel]

true

[potent fossil]

(I mean, they'll take it, but like, it's rude)

I dunno. Murica is very weird on that front. I don't like it

[viscid wedge]

I'm in class for another four hours otherwise I would

[brave radish]

Idk what's up with tips either

[potent fossil]

First time to Philippines I offended the shit out of a waitress by accident by tipping her because she thought I was saying she needed the money more than I do, like I'm giving a charity

[mossy vessel]

People don't really tip over here but what I mentioned because everyone is greedy af

[potent fossil]

I thought it was normal

[vestal jasper]

@potent fossil

[potent fossil]

@vestal jasper hi uwu

[twin lagoon]

@vestal jasper uwu

[brave radish]

I mean it's sort of a nice system
Waiters and waitresses making the customers happy is better for the restaurant, and customers tipping is a very direct way for them to decide if they did that job well, but it's still sorta weird

good for the restaurants though 🤷‍♂️

[vestal jasper]

@twin lagoon uwu

[mossy vessel]

But, the one restaurant I used to go to frequently, I always left some proper tips cuz I'm a good guest and this is a good restaurant

[blazing quarry]

now, just some practical things about running a server from root

[mossy vessel]

Like, why not.

[brave radish]

Don't do it. Make a new user.

[blazing quarry]

what happens if i close the shell window? will i be able to re-enter the server console without restarting the server

[potent fossil]

Yeah but the restaurant doesn't pay them minimum wage, there is a separate minimum wage specifically for the tipped service industry and it is $2 per hour. If they don't get tips, they will literally make $16 for a full 8 hour on-their-feet shift.

[brave radish]

if you close the window, the server shuts down

that's why you have to use tmux

[frank otter]

TMUX

[wispy blade]

i love tmux

[frank otter]

I have love for tmux

[mossy vessel]

Yeah, really depends where you're going tho

[frank otter]

not much, but some

[potent fossil]

Whereas non-tipped industry min-wage = $15/hr

[frank otter]

it's maybe better than screen

[brave radish]

2? I thought it was 5 in most places

[blazing quarry]

oh ya you're right it closed

[potent fossil]

Depends on the state. It's $2.13-$5 ish

[blazing quarry]

TMUX it is then

[brave radish]

screen had a crash vuln in it that was especially bad for Minecraft servers. A player could chat some messed-up characters and the whole server would die