general

[twin lagoon]

cool

[restive thicket]

Because downgrading isn't an option once 1.17 releases, Floodgate 2.0 will become the default then.

So might as well update now.

[ashen cliff]

Epic. That solves my issue.

[twin lagoon]

[wispy blade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZPXg_W0apY

[mental meadow]

!ban 736474776960368650 Homophobia in other discords

[thorny flicker]

:raised_hands: Banned HueRTX#0856 (Homophobia in other discords) [1 total infraction] -- aurora#4484.

[vernal moth]

Wooo, Germany is below 100k active cases for the first time since October, lol

[potent fossil]

[waxen panther]

[vernal moth]

Last year this time we were below 10k active, lol

[mossy vessel]

Lots of bars reopen(ed) this week

[snow flax]

in other discords just wow

w o w

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/2021-06-02_18-01-46.png

F.

[wispy blade]

lol what

[mental meadow]

yeah, we don't tolerate those people in here

[snow flax]

He was homophobic on paper discord?

[warm anchor]

@snow flax I don’t think there is a place for hate

Regardless of the places

But I could be wrong. Can you tell me

[potent fossil]

Paper is part of community of servers ( #community-guilds ), if they break rules there then paper has the right to ban here w/o actually breaking a rule here

Plus it's pride month, so we're uber against anti-LGBTQ rhetoric right now :))

If ppl have a problem with that, that like, super sucks :))

[novel horizon]

I hate people btw, not at computer and people shittalking about trans and gay people and sending ""MEMES"" very edgy

[twin lagoon]

[wind geyser]

I was just about to ask if anyone got banned today lmao

[novel horizon]

On my discord for mc

Not here

I Hope lol

[warm anchor]

Imagine having so much hate that you hates someone for just existing

[novel horizon]

I was like don't send it here and someone LUL why, it is a meme

[twin lagoon]

@warm anchor

[warm anchor]

@twin lagoon

[twin lagoon]

[novel horizon]

I hate everyone. Basically i even hate myself for having a discord, lol

[warm anchor]

But hey at least you hate everyone equally!

[limpid comet]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/software-developer-community-stack-overflow-sold-to-tech-giant-prosus-for-1-8-billion-11622648400

wow

That's a pretty big acquisition

[novel horizon]

If I had my Discord icon with rainbow flag, OH my god, they would be mad :)

But hey they got the best argument. "What to expect from someone who has nickname ShadowHackerCZ"

[wind geyser]

Don’t worry, I hate myself too

[wind geyser]

That company is a little sus ngl

Pls kill me

[mental meadow]

the perfect reason to do it, cleanup^^

[novel horizon]

Well I am on phone for like a week now, can't do much editing lol, unless i just use something randomly 👀

I'm bad and butthurt, it is just a joke hehehe

[ashen cliff]

Isn't that just creating totalitarianism?

[potent fossil]

Yeah. Balkan Approved.

[ashen cliff]

Not Balkan approved.

[potent fossil]

Simple approved.

[ashen cliff]

We at least try to explain stuff to people and only then ship them off to 🇧🇷.

[warm anchor]

[novel horizon]

I'm just regularly thinking about ditching my discord, public server and just play with a few people or so

Ew

[ashen cliff]

I think I figured out why the 3 way merge isn't working with my license: https://posili.me/i/2021-06-02_18-28-14.png

[novel horizon]

Https ew

[wind geyser]

I still have to think of a creative logo for my discord server. My logo is a very old meme

[novel horizon]

Make a new meme then

[void void]

hey

Hello from Serbia

[twin lagoon]

Bro!

[broken rampart]

@twin lagoon

[twin lagoon]

@broken rampart

[broken rampart]

@twin lagoon

<3

[twin lagoon]

[novel horizon]

[wind geyser]

Nah

[broken rampart]

michael sucks lol, imagine needing to learn how to deploy software. all you have to do is double click the exe lmao

[novel horizon]

Recreation of the old one. Or just leave it as it is.

[twin lagoon]

[ashen cliff]

Bro!

Serbian bro.

[void void]

anyone from balkans?

[novel horizon]

Yeah why even code or do anything

[void void]

I have good english yes?

[ashen cliff]

Yes bro yes.

[novel horizon]

Why even use paper just use spigot

[ashen cliff]

Piši kako govoriš bre.

[void void]

Косово је србија

[novel horizon]

Hovoříš dobře anglicky v pohodě

[broken rampart]

why use spigot when command blocks exists in vanilla

[novel horizon]

O_o

[wind geyser]

Why use a Minecraft server at all?

You don’t need friends

/s

[ashen cliff]

Fact!

@vale rune Bro!

[twin lagoon]

@meager tusk Bro!

[vale rune]

Bro.

Least PaperMC nationalist right there.

[meager tusk]

BRO.

@vale rune 🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇽🇰🇽🇰🇽🇰🇽🇰

[vale rune]

Fact.

[ashen cliff]

All of Balkan in 1 chat.

Instant bro.

[meager tusk]

Fact!

[vale rune]

Direkt bro.

[meager tusk]

Krejt dhe drejt bro.

[ashen cliff]

We just need Nature to give us some 🇬🇷 advice.

[vale rune]

Yes bro!

[meager tusk]

🇦🇱 most beautiful flag in balkan

[vale rune]

@void void Serbia = Albanian city.

[ashen cliff]

Fact!

[meager tusk]

Village*

[void void]

fuck you

[vale rune]

Eee.

[void void]

serbia is best of the best

[vale rune]

Ti si Albanac I see. Love you then bro.

[meager tusk]

least developed village in Albania

[waxen panther]

Bro

[meager tusk]

Bro!

[waxen panther]

my bestest bro idriz

[potent fossil]

just reminded me of this stupid shit, so funny #general message

[meager tusk]

Fact! Do you support 🇦🇱 bro?!

[waxen panther]

yes bro

least not epic country in world

[meager tusk]

Fact!

[vale rune]

Fact!

[twin lagoon]

this guy has a bigger army than the entirety of balkan combined

[meager tusk]

Hi german swamp

[vale rune]

Bro. Michael.

Do not exclude biggest army in the world, Vojska Republike Srpske!

[ashen cliff]

Very good. Time to find out what to change now.
https://posili.me/i/2021-06-02_18-38-25.png
https://posili.me/i/2021-06-02_18-39-40.png

[meager tusk]

Least powerful brigade in Albanian army.

[vale rune]

Fact!

[ashen cliff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApJCfeipvIQ

Least trained Balkan army: ^^

[vale rune]

@void void for the record, PaperMC recognizes Kosovo's independence bro.

[void void]

what about serbia's

[vale rune]

Fact!

[meager tusk]

Serbia is recognized as an autonomous province within the continent of Albania.

[vale rune]

Thanks Idriz.

[void void]

i WILL call discord managment if this server DOES NOT recognize serbia as a country

[meager tusk]

My bad g.

[vale rune]

Go on.

[waxen panther]

who is serbia

[meager tusk]

Sucks I guess.

[vale rune]

He gonna call IPKO Support.

[meager tusk]

And he's gonna get aired for being an unknown village in the planet of Albania

[vale rune]

Fact bro. Good thing they're experienced in that aspect.

Thanks NATO & US.

[meager tusk]

LOL

[ashen cliff]

Daily reminder: NATO still exists.

[meager tusk]

It does?

I thought they shut down that Albanian brigade years ago.

🇦🇱 💪🇦🇱 💪🇦🇱 💪

[waxen panther]

https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/minecraft-1-17-pre-release-2

new pre release

[vale rune]

Minecraft Albania.

[meager tusk]

New Minecraft 1.17 Pre Release Just Dropped

[potent fossil]

MC-226693 - The credits say “Wed Developers” instead of “Web Developers” in one place

lul

me and broc are gonna be Wed Developers tho 😏

[waxen panther]

The credits say “Wed Developers” instead of “Web Developers” in one place

lmfao

simple beat me

[brave radish]

Holding down control while holding down space now makes the credits scroll even faster
guys just skip them at that point

[meager tusk]

https://i.imgur.com/9voEJqL.png

[waxen panther]

lets go!

[meager tusk]

Finally

[vale rune]

Yes!

[meager tusk]

Took them long enough

[meager tusk]

Fact!

[warm anchor]

Took them years to find someone who speaks Albania language bro!

[vale rune]

BRO! Fact!

[meager tusk]

Good thing they found you bro!

[wind geyser]

Those aren’t even relatively close to each other. How does this happen?

[vale rune]

Good thing Aikar speaks Albanian fluently too.

[potent fossil]

i bet given 5 months, no people, and games for breaks, @warm anchor speaks all 6 albania languages

[meager tusk]

Aikar is Albanian, so is Tupac and John Cena

[ashen cliff]

Most important Minecraft change ever: Holding down control while holding down space now makes the credits scroll even faster

[warm anchor]

[meager tusk]

I found them drinking russian tea.

[potent fossil]

MC-227107 - C418 is removed from Composers in credits.json

RIP C418

[meager tusk]

Wtf why

[vale rune]

Himni i Shqipërisë implementim.

[potent fossil]

oh i might have the inverse understanding of that

that title is the problem statement, not the result

[meager tusk]

Ohhh Asdreni was added to the credits instead

My bad

[brave radish]

yeah that's a bug fix 😆

[meager tusk]

6..?

[potent fossil]

yea, Albanian 1-6

[meager tusk]

You mean 50. 🇦🇱 💪🇦🇱 💪

[vale rune]

@meager tusk gjuhë programuese more like Albanian dialect 🇦🇱.

[potent fossil]

yea, Albanian 1 thru 5 has Albanian n.1 thru Albanian n.9 and Albanian 6 has Albanian 6.1 thru 6.5. That's 50.

[meager tusk]

C is an Albanian dialect.

[vale rune]

Always.

[meager tusk]

Kotlin is Serbian.

That's why I don't use it.

[worn ember]

ok

[vernal moth]

Albanians are cool

The bar am going to rn is run by Albanians

[potent fossil]

I wonder what Albanian Mini would be like

[worn ember]

same like now but with vodka instead of beer

[wispy blade]

^

[analog meteor]

hi

[vale rune]

https://youtu.be/lD06adeasRs?t=550

[ashen cliff]

Daily reminder.

[vale rune]

Daily.

[olive marlin]

Does anyone know how these kind of strings are called? '=?utf-8?B?U29tdXN0ZSBqZW9uIGFwcGapZWQh?=' I'm trying to figure out what I should google to find out - all I find is utf-8 encoding, but it's already a decoded string...

[ashen cliff]

Encoded-word Syntax

https://dmorgan.info/posts/encoded-word-syntax/

[meager tusk]

Fact bro!

[magic river]

So it's a mime-encoded non-ascii string

Did this come from an email or something? 😛

[olive marlin]

Thank you Krusic, very helpful.

Yes.

[vernal moth]

Not that bad 😂

[olive marlin]

I hate my email parsing script, idk what 2/3 of it does anymore.

[ashen cliff]

What kind of cursed stuff are you doing?

[meager tusk]

Germans with weak shisha.

[ashen cliff]

Better not be another email spam service.

Our ŠIŠA is connected directly to Plin and Kompresor.

[meager tusk]

@vale rune He's one of us bro.

[olive marlin]

So I just need to do: ''.join(unicode(t[0], t[1] or default_charset) for t in email.header.decode_header(mime_msg['Subject']))

[meager tusk]

I read python

I cry

[ashen cliff]

I read. I cry.

[meager tusk]

Most educated serbian

[ashen cliff]

Fact.

[potent fossil]

I exist. I cry.

[meager tusk]

Most happy Serbian

[potent fossil]

Yes bro

[olive marlin]

Nah. I have GMail apply labels to emails based on filters, then I have a script retrieving all emails with a given label, parsing them and converting html to markdown, posting them to Discord, and then changing the label in GMail.

[meager tusk]

Oh I just click the emails and read them

[olive marlin]

I want some emails to be posted on Discord for every team member to read.

[meager tusk]

I give them all the password to the email(which I also use on my personal account) 💪

[ashen cliff]

Least trustful Albanian.

[meager tusk]

Fact! Most trustful Albanian is the one who invites you over for a drink and orients you towards the bathtub.

[olive marlin]

Ok, this is much easier:

str(email.header.make_header(email.header.decode_header(mime_msg['Subject'])))

[ashen cliff]

Fact.

[meager tusk]

The bathtub is full of ice bro.

✂️ snip snip

Another day another lek

[ashen cliff]

Another good harvest.

[slow heath]

how can i

ban this bot

[vernal moth]

Is it a webhook?

[olive marlin]

It's a webhook probably?

[ashen cliff]

Is it a webhook?

[vernal moth]

Ha! First

[quasi valley]

maybe it's a webhook?

sorry, using IE

[slow heath]

hmm

how can i

[ashen cliff]

You don't.

[slow heath]

remove it

[meager tusk]

You want that webhook.

All the cool kids have the Spidey Bot.

[olive marlin]

Channel -> Edit Channel -> Integrations -> Webhooks

[meager tusk]

Ok or snitch

[slow heath]

no

tks

[olive marlin]

All the cool kids like @meager tusk

[wispy blade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeXRG4n_qBM

[ashen cliff]

I am in agony due to Floodgate 2.0.

[worn ember]

Good. Suffer

[potent fossil]

oh boy 11:04am

time for bed

[left swift]

Sleeple

[warm anchor]

wtf sleeple

[potent fossil]

no sleep schedule

[ashen cliff]

If only Windows 10 edition worked on any of my computers.

[mental meadow]

fimple uwu

[potent fossil]

uwuwa uwu

[left swift]

All kneny do is react

Smh

[quasi valley]

that's not true

only if someone uses the forbidden word

[left swift]

Kneny uwu

[worn ember]

wow real via version dev??

1.17 support wen

[quasi valley]

already finished

[left swift]

Viatopia

[worn ember]

wow, people should take you as an example

[ashen cliff]

half finished

[worn ember]

half

[vernal bone]

_ _

[vestal jasper]

@potent fossil e

[twin lagoon]

@vestal jasper uwu

[cosmic raft]

lmfao

@potent fossil it arrived

[potent fossil]

only took literally a month in the postal system

[cosmic raft]

yea lmao

[left swift]

[waxen panther]

[brave radish]

ok so I was testing if paperclip would throw an error if you pass it an unknown argument, so I typed -<insert keyboard mashing here> and somehow I ended up changing the level name to dweui, so it generated folders named dweui, dweui_nether, and dweui_the_end

anyone know what flag that would have been?

[vernal moth]

-w iirc

Or --universe

Or smth

[brave radish]

w seems right cuz that's what the keyboard mashing started with

(I think)

thanks mini

wonder why that's even an option

[potent fossil]

imagine keyboard mashing --universe dweui

[left swift]

Ur my universe

[potent fossil]

[upbeat falcon]

message.txt

https://paste.gg/Pencil/f45f6eae8671478dbe994ed167842fa7

Requested by Alex · Jun 2, 2021, 7:25 PM

[tribal valve]

Help-me?

[brave radish]

there's a messed up configuration file for ViaVersion

[olive marlin]

Nah, it looks like it's earlier.

Messed up plugin.yml?

We'd see either onEnable or onLoad if it was config malformed.

Oh, nevermind.

It's there I'm blind.

[brave radish]

.paste your configuration file Alex

[limber knot]

Please paste large logs to a pastebin: https://paste.gg

[ashen cliff]

Download the plugin again.

[brave radish]

and what's that website for this thing? yaml lint or something?

yeah there we go http://www.yamllint.com/

Probably messed up more than just indentation but we can see if you paste it

[vernal moth]

#paper-help

I just spend an hour or see discussing and googling to find out when Berlin became the capital of "Germany"

Lmao

Just defining "Germany" in a historical context is fun

[tribal valve]

Hi I just got here, I'm Brazilian.

[vernal moth]

Cause you know, there have been like 6 or 7 germanies since after the romans

[vernal moth]

Hello Brazilian, I'm Martin

[waxen panther]

we get it you're a dad 😠

[left swift]

Daddy 😩

[tribal valve]

Brazilians are not a race. Hahaha ...

[brave radish]

I can't decide if Alex should be on r/woosh or I should

[left swift]

Language barrier

[vernal moth]

Neither is Martin, it's a name

[tribal valve]

Okay

[left swift]

Okay

[round grove]

Okay (LATE 1 MINUTE)

[waxen panther]

What

[brave radish]

does JRoy normally pay you for trolling when you're not on leave 👀

[waxen panther]

yes

or well, apparently so

[left swift]

Hes got back pay coming jroy is funding it with his graphic design job

[cunning raft]

i just can't, in good faith, keep broc on as a troll while my questions go unanswered

we've had to place him on temporary unpaid leave

[round grove]

Is there anything paper adds to the api except those 2 events?

[left swift]

Where were you on january 6th brocc

[waxen panther]

Paper adds 100s of things to the api lol

[waxen panther]

yes

[left swift]

[round grove]

Umm what? I only saw 2 events

[waxen panther]

where tf were you looking

.api

[wraith trail]

very ugly but here: https://minidigger.github.io/paper-api-diff/changes.html and

[limber knot]

https://minidigger.github.io/paper-api-diff/changes.html

[wraith trail]

oh

[waxen panther]

:p

[fallow tapir]

I've been out of the loop for a while. What's this 'skript' thing popping up?

[brave radish]

horror

A plugin to make plugins without Java

but horror

[warm anchor]

[ashen cliff]

[vernal moth]

Skript is a Domian specitix language designed to enable server admins to extend the functionality of their servers without requiring programming knowledge

[left swift]

[limpid comet]

i wouldn't say skript is 'popping up'

its been pretty popular for a while

[shell vine]

they selling 3080ti at the best buy 15 mins from me, worth it to go camp out till morning?

[worn ember]

skript ❤️

depends if you need it that badly lol

[warm anchor]

Ded

[worn ember]

if you can, why not

[shell vine]

idk

[warm anchor]

Is your head always off centered on your profile pic? Or I’ve just noticed it

[worn ember]

yes

its offcenter irl too

[warm anchor]

Fix it

[worn ember]

snap my neck

[left swift]

Eternity is off center

[warm anchor]

[left swift]

[worn ember]

well my design teacher always said "stop being boring and dont center everything, be original" so now my head is off center

[waxen panther]

Is that what happened to ur brain too

[left swift]

Brocc stop trolling ur not being paid right now

[worn ember]

toxic

[waxen panther]

I do it out of love

The people need me

[left swift]

Wait for the squeeze

[waxen panther]

broccolai to the moon

[left swift]

Dont sell early

[dusk drift]

RIP discord

[worn ember]

without spacesuit

[left swift]

Ripcord

[worn ember]

https://youtu.be/rSIsXZWsBj0 lmao wtf

[mental meadow]

I love broccolai

[waxen panther]

I love auwoiouwa

[warm anchor]

Tfw brocco everywhere providing help

[quasi valley]

broccoli definitely needs help

[waxen panther]

I do need help

And broccolai does NOT support python!!

I support python-hate only .

[unkempt drift]

Mini is pro-skript confirmed

Get the pitchforks

[waxen panther]

@cunning raft

[cunning raft]

@waxen panther

[waxen panther]

do u get it

don’t make me say it

[fallen oracle]

Heyo

[short yarrow]

So is there any good reason why you shouldn't rebase while pulling? I see some people don't enable rebase and I just see a merge commit from the remote repo to their local branch

[untold meadow]

no reason why not - the general rule is don't force push to main but you can do what you want with branches

[mental meadow]

https://twitter.com/NortonLifelock/status/1400082772518178817?s=19
They can't be fucking serious

NortonLifeLock (@NortonLifelock)

We are delighted to announce Norton Crypto - a new feature designed to enable consumers to safely and easily mine #cryptocurrency. Learn more: https://t.co/TfYMr0Drhv

Twitter · Jun 2, 2021, 1:31 PM

[brave radish]

should I click that? 👀

[vernal moth]

Can't sleep, went for a bike ride in the dark, lol

[true canyon]

Line probably already full. Only like 50 cards per location. Not worth it! 😢

[ancient bolt]

I'm purely speculating here, have no proof of any kind nor have I read anything other than the screenshot.
But I think Norton is placing all Norton users into their own personal mining pool, and taking a portion of all of the mining profits in that pool

[shell vine]

hmm i was gonna go look at 3 am if there was a long line

maybe wont waste my time

[warm anchor]

Yeah it’s basically poolin service with a weird name

[ancient bolt]

"service"

I will never not be convinced they aren't taking some percentage

[warm anchor]

Aint all pool take a %? I don’t really dig deep but there’s free pool?

[ancient bolt]

sure, but it's a pool you connect to with standard mining software, it's something you decide to do and can move to other pools etc etc as you want to. This is just...people with Norton AV installed get a popup that says "mine crypto and make money!"

way shadier (not to mention how fucked crypto is to begin with)

[warm anchor]

Oh now I see it lol

[tribal valve]

[18:43:20 ERROR] [ViaVersion]: Unable to inject ViaVersion, please post these details on our GitHub and ensure you're using a compatible server version.
[18:43:20 ERROR] [ViaVersion]: ViaVersion failed to inject:
[18:43:20 ERROR]: java.lang.reflect.InaccessibleObjectException: Unable to make private native java.lang.reflect.Field[] java.lang.Class.getDeclaredFields0(boolean) accessible: module java.base does not "opens java.lang" to unnamed module @17461db
[18:43:20 ERROR]:       at java.base/java.lang.reflect.AccessibleObject.checkCanSetAccessible(AccessibleObject.java:357)
[18:43:20 ERROR]:       at java.base/java.lang.reflect.AccessibleObject.checkCanSetAccessible(AccessibleObject.java:297)
[18:43:20 ERROR]:       at java.base/java.lang.reflect.Method.checkCanSetAccessible(Method.java:199)
[18:43:20 ERROR]:       at java.base/java.lang.reflect.Method.setAccessible(Method.java:193)
[18:43:20 ERROR]:       at us.myles.ViaVersion.bungee.platform.BungeeViaInjector.inject(BungeeViaInjector.java:35)
[18:43:20 ERROR]:       at us.myles.ViaVersion.ViaManager.init(ViaManager.java:64)
[18:43:20 ERROR]:       at us.myles.ViaVersion.BungeePlugin.onEnable(BungeePlugin.java:76)
[18:43:20 ERROR]:       at net.md_5.bungee.api.plugin.PluginManager.enablePlugins(PluginManager.java:315)
[18:43:20 ERROR]:       at net.md_5.bungee.BungeeCord.start(BungeeCord.java:290)
[18:43:20 ERROR]:       at net.md_5.bungee.BungeeCordLauncher.main(BungeeCordLauncher.java:80)
[18:43:20 ERROR]:       at net.md_5.bungee.Bootstrap.main(Bootstrap.java:15)

[twin lagoon]

thanks for the error

[ancient bolt]

...

[waxen panther]

Ask in via version ?

[tribal valve]

The paperspigot asks me to install the new version of java, The problem it starts with is the incompatibility of plug-ins!

[wraith trail]

no, update viaversion

you are on an old version

[vernal moth]

Mojang will force java 16 next week for mc 1.17, so your plugins better update fast

[wraith trail]

also mojang is the one deciding java 16, paper is just being nice and warning you about it :)

[ancient bolt]

that's also bungeecord

[tribal valve]

And what do I do with this annoying error?

[cunning raft]

yes

[tribal valve]

Yea? I did not understand the answer.

[mental meadow]

Update viaversion

[tribal valve]

I installed via version directly from the spigot website, which is currently at version 3.2.1!

I was looking at the viaversion github repository and it's on version 3.2.2

It is already up to date.

[mental meadow]

3.2.2 is not 3.2.1

Also they have their own support discord I'd suggest asking there

[tribal valve]

https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/viaversion.19254/updates

[tribal valve]

Okay

[left swift]

Norton's ac pretty much runs like a miner anyways might aswell get the promise of money too

[cunning raft]

@tribal valve https://ci.viaversion.com/job/ViaVersion-DEV/

[left swift]

[cunning raft]

dev builds are there

[tribal valve]

Thanks

[warm anchor]

JRoy [helpful | epic]

[olive marlin]

WTF?

[tribal valve]

👀

[fresh echo]

English
directle4ks and bl4ckspigot infected many plugins and right now they are banning the server owners they are spamming the consoles

Important
change your server password
change MySQL database password
change the password of your registration account within their servers

if you are using directle4ks or bl4ckspigot plugins remove them

[tribal valve]

?

[mossy vessel]

Rumors said avoiding named pages prevent many issues beforehand.

[left swift]

Imagine using pirated plugins

[warm anchor]

Is this chain mail in 2021

[left swift]

Lul

[warm anchor]

On discord

Wtf

[left swift]

Chain mail came back in discord bro it's always big servers

[mossy vessel]

Yeah, already deleted a bunch of them today worded similar. But you never know if these people are really that naive lol

[warm anchor]

@left swift at least there no fucking mortal mine spam here.

I got those in my server ._.

[left swift]

!!WARNING!!
offline server have vulnerabilities can login any accounts!!!!! Wait for notch to respond how fix!!! Uniantall plugin!

[warm anchor]

Yeah that’s the worse part. You get real people who read the message and actaully feel the need to post it somewhere else

[tribal valve]

._.

[twin lagoon]

@mossy vessel

[golden gust]

HAI U WAN JOIN SERBER WE STEL UR MONIES AND SHIT ON UR RUGS PLZ JOIN

[left swift]

CATZZ

[tribal valve]

dio

jojo

[mossy vessel]

You posted that in too many servers I have ban permission and will clap you now 😠

[warm anchor]

Worse part is kids are dumb.

[left swift]

Since wen

[fresh echo]

why ? @mossy vessel

[mossy vessel]

👀

[warm anchor]

You can see that spam message actually works by their discord guild size @left swift

[fresh echo]

I am helping by alerting people to prevent further damage

[left swift]

Even use numbers in the name to bypass block filters for those sites lol

[twin lagoon]

you expect users that use leaked plugins to read this chat

[warm anchor]

No you are spamming. Thsts not helping

[golden gust]

people doing stupid shit are already doing stupid shit

[brave radish]

I'm pretty sure I got that message one day and I never joined your server

[golden gust]

They're not gonna see some rando message some randomer throws in a discord channel

[tribal valve]

Do you know any kind of plugin or extension that helps translate discord messages?

[warm anchor]

Any MC related server gets that lol they spam everywhere

[left swift]

No one who actively reads this general chat is stupid enough to use leaked plugins and are able to actually buy plugins if they wanted to themselves and even make them

[fresh echo]

I do not consider it to be spam, it is a single message in different discords
and I'm not promoting, it's just warning people of future hacks

[left swift]

Actually that's not true oskar might

[brave radish]

no but it said Island of Eternity

[warm anchor]

Spam is unwanted meaaage

[mossy vessel]

If I read a message more than a couple of times I will clap you from any server I can because these do not condone chain letters or copy pastas.

And I read your more than 5 times

[warm anchor]

It’s a new generation of bot

[mossy vessel]

Island of Boternity?

[fresh echo]

@mossy vessel we are soul mates =?

[warm anchor]

If will change the first message to hi username and I meet you at %guild name%” @brave radish

[left swift]

I had lots of these messages too before we reported the discord and they got clapped lol

[brave radish]

Yes, I know, but I'm saying they normally do guild names that the target has been in and I got one that said your server... which I didn't join

[left swift]

Funny thing is too if you joined the discord they advertised and talked about the spam dm they banned you instantly

[warm anchor]

And it will pull a random name as “do you remember me? My name is Alex69 from guild” bluh bluh lol

[warm anchor]

Hahahaahhhaha

Now I got it lol

Guess they forgot to swap the script. If they don’t make it dynamically change. That’d be way over engineered solution

[worn ember]

no weeb rights

[warm anchor]

Ded more like dead

[left swift]

[worn ember]

eternity, more like eternal weeb

[left swift]

Smh eternity

Degenerate emotes

Omfl I go through and hide all the twitter shit with the minecraft twt shit and now all that shows up is baseball and football shit

[worn ember]

delete twitter

[left swift]

Delete ded

[worn ember]

wtf

im helping you and you're being toxic

[true canyon]

Delete discord

[worn ember]

irc gang

[warm anchor]

I have the best set of emojis!

[limpid comet]

seconded

[true canyon]

[limber knot]

oh also irc gang

[shell vine]

[limpid comet]

does anyone have a jenkinsfile for plugin builds i could take a look at

i forget how jenkinsfiles work

[magic river]

yo dog https://bytecodealliance.org/articles/making-javascript-run-fast-on-webassembly

JS on WASM on JS

(technically WASM is a standalone thing but it's implemented as a part of browser JS engines)

[waxen panther]

genius

[wispy blade]

yes

[short yarrow]

When you guys start a new project, do you setup CI to build your project immediately? Or do you wait until you actually have something substantial

[golden gust]

depends on what I wanna do that day and for that project

some people may only care to set it up when they have something worth building, some people like having it setup early

[short yarrow]

I might wanna try to setup travis early to try to play around with it. I've only set it up once

[brave radish]

I set it up immediately but that's cuz I've never even messed with Jenkins or anything and just copy an Actions workflow from a past repo

[worn ember]

i had it set up midway, mainly cuz i wanted to test it

[worn ember]

if you tell me where i can find it

[wispy blade]

melting rn

[golden gust]

I get a feeling that if DED ever did programming streams, 70% of the stream would be people watching DED tryna spin the cogs in his brain as everybody watches the screws slowly fall out

[warm anchor]

[true canyon]

._.

intellij idea pls

[waxen panther]

its telling you to come join the good side

[lean kiln]

I love gradle

implementation(files(libs.javaClass.superclass.protectionDomain.codeSource.location))

thats my favorite dependency

[ancient bolt]

is that a dependency on gradle itself

[lean kiln]

on generated library accessors

https://github.com/gradle/gradle/issues/15383#issuecomment-779893192

[ancient bolt]

thought the superclass call might have made it be the gradle jar rather than the accessor

[lean kiln]

yeah I'm not certain what it's for

let me see if it breaks when I remove it

[ancient bolt]

but yeah that definitely falls under the realm of "gradle should be doing this" lol

But that is what the issue is about so meh

[lean kiln]

yeah, only reason I'm using this hack is it seems like they are wanting to actually support this properly eventually

and then I can switch over to that

[ancient bolt]

tell @zealous wedge to put the hack into one of their plugins so it can be hidden better

[lean kiln]

seems to work the same without the superclass call

[ancient bolt]

hmm, yeah, unclear what the superclass is all about. Maybe they just got carried away

[zealous wedge]

interesting

[lean kiln]

I'm applying polyglot catalogs to build-logic and my main project in settings

[zealous wedge]

open an issue :p

[lean kiln]

from(ConfigFormats.YAML, file("../gradle/libs.versions.yml"))

[short yarrow]

Outside of minecraft plugins, do you still create database tables in your code? I think I can create an SQL file and just run to generate my tables

[golden gust]

you either have code or sql files which you'd need to load

[short yarrow]

I'm using PostgreSQL and creating the table in my code works fine sort of. But I'm call my createTable code every time my program starts and I'm also creating a type and there's no IF NOT EXIST for types so now I'm thinking it might be easier for me to do stuff in a SQL file

[golden gust]

I mean, theres always stuff like flyway which does proper versioning

[short yarrow]

I just heard about flyway today when I was talking about updating table schemas in another server

Thought it was just strictly used for migrating

[ancient bolt]

you can fake IF NOT EXIST for types by handling exceptions

[golden gust]

No, can be used for init too

[ancient bolt]

oh yeah this is a better answer https://stackoverflow.com/a/48356064/2353230

[short yarrow]

^ I saw something like that and I'm thinking am I suppose to write something like that in my code so my next thought was maybe I should just do all my database stuff in a SQL file

I find myself in this scenario pretty often since I usually use a Map to store stuff. So if I have a class ClassA that stores an id. The only way to get an instance of the class is to use ClassAStore. Is there any need to store id in ClassA? I'm thinking no because I should always have the id in whatever context getClassA is called

class ClassA {

    private int id;
}

class ClassAStore {

    private Map<Integer, ClassA> idToClassA;

    public ClassA getClassA(int id) {
         return idToClassA.get(id);
    }
}

[ancient bolt]

100% down to your code, how you write it, and what you do with it

[golden gust]

that's a design Q, but, generally, storing the id in is a good idea if you ever need it in the future

[ancient bolt]

if you pass ClassA to other classes so they can do things with it, they'll probably need the id

if it's not really intended to or ever needs to be passed anywhere, then it doesn't matter

but in general yeah, if an id is associated with an object it usually makes sense for that object to have its own id

[short yarrow]

Ahh good point

[valid haven]

May i ask what these Rainbow Color thing is? I mean it has to be something about LGBTQ but what? Dont get it wrong i have nothing against ist but i saw that some profilss added Rainbow Colors?

[waxen panther]

its pride month

[valid haven]

What's that?

[waxen panther]

a month were you celegrate lqbtq etc

[wraith trail]

.pride - you can read about it here

[limber knot]

June is LGBTQ Pride Month! That is why there are rainbows right now. Join the celebration! See more: https://nationaltoday.com/pride-month/

[valid haven]

Oh lol okay never heard of that myb bc i live in Germany, is this a new thing?

[waxen panther]

nope, pretty old

[ancient bolt]

it grows in prominence each year

[valid haven]

But why one month?

[ancient bolt]

"x month" is a pretty common thing

[wraith trail]

June because https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots

[ancient bolt]

gives a dedicated time for people to focus on specific issues. Not to say it's the only time anyone should be worried about it, but it's a recurring thing to basically say "hey, don't forget about this, it's important"

[valid haven]

And what happened at Stonewall riots?

[ancient bolt]

The wikipedia article is right there

[valid haven]

Oh lol im blind

Another Question how does Spigot and Bukkit all those Server Softwares including Paper dont get any Problem with Mojang since its their game

[ancient bolt]

because mojang doesn't mind people modding their game

[wraith trail]

They very much could if they wanted to

[valid haven]

What about Microsoft since they bought it

[ancient bolt]

microsoft doesn't do a whole lot with mojang

[golden gust]

MS didn't have really too much of an effect

[brave radish]

These forks help Mojang; all of those minigame servers wouldn't exist without them

[golden gust]

the disaster of 1.14 seems to have put a massive red flag on MS try push release dates

(and they've reached out to the community for better communication since then)

[ancient bolt]

mojang makes microsoft money by just existing so they're just letting it be

[short yarrow]

So when you do a code review which has unit tests, do you ever throughly go through the tests? or do you maybe just look at the method header and see if they covered common cases + edge cases

[golden gust]

knowing the tests you have in place for a mechanism is always good

at the end of the day the code is only as stable as the tests

[short yarrow]

Yeah I just skim through the test and mainly look at the method headers to see what the test is testing. If I were to go through unit tests throughly it'd take 2x as long to review something since I need to look at the method side by side with the test

[limpid comet]

an exploit? on a creative server? blasphemy

[austere ivy]

op as in like god items or op as in running commands?

oh

[pulsar wigeon]

does it require an op to do something like say, running a command on behalf of a non-op player

[limpid comet]

that's a feature lol

[pulsar wigeon]

not really

no you can't

[austere ivy]

minecraft book phishing attacks

[pulsar wigeon]

you can ask them nicely

[limpid comet]

any good creative servers will disable that

[pulsar wigeon]

but you can't make them

[limpid comet]

or just not have stupid ops

[pulsar wigeon]

or just dont give mods/admins powers they dont need

doesn't matter

[austere ivy]

that's the owner's fault

[pulsar wigeon]

don't give ops perms they don't need

[limpid comet]

that's on them

[warm anchor]

where is my creative plugin? ???

[limpid comet]

they shouldn't have clicked your book link

omg right

I set up Jenkins today

[austere ivy]

o yeah bluel i forgot about that

[limpid comet]

Maybe I can actually get around to doing stuff

[vestal jasper]

Or do the smart thing and tell LP to disable the op feature and command, and manage permissions tightly.

[austere ivy]

that sounds like a super cool plugin you should definitely make that

[pulsar wigeon]

i said that already

[warm anchor]

bluely EterNity will never forget

see even brain remembers.

[limpid comet]

eternity 100 Iq memory??

[warm anchor]

no I write it down on a paper

[limpid comet]

That was the worst thing I've ever said

[austere ivy]

i do remember everything*

(*except for names. i somehow can never remember names)

[warm anchor]

"list of thing blue promised and may never deliver" on the title

[haughty lagoon]

Breaking news! 5+ year old "exploit" discovered here today.

[warm anchor]

[limpid comet]

I'm taking this as personally as possible

[warm anchor]

GET FUCKED

[limpid comet]

[warm anchor]

[limpid comet]

I take my time, but I usually get there in the end

Check all books when they're created for commands and remove them? That should be possible, yea?

Never done any book stuff before but there's gotta be a way to do that

[austere ivy]

new plugin idea

[magic river]

I liked it when we tried to filter that packet to only allow things in the vanilla UI

But then I think they added some fancy copy/paste thing so then you have to also allow anything that can be created in a vanilla game and that includes arbitrary NBT via commands and now you're fucked

[limpid comet]

Just disable books

Too much power for one user to hold

[short yarrow]

Dang first time i'm using SQL in a while and it feels so rigid

I'm trying MySQL instead of PostgreSQL now and MySQL has an ENUM type which is cool, but I think I need to alter the table if I want to add more enum values

[minor badge]

fwiw Pg also has enums

[valid haven]

To that Book Stuff... That works with NBT Tags i guess and there is a Plugin already called CreativeItemControl this disables the ability to get Item/Blocks with Data in Creative

[short yarrow]

Yeah I can create a new type for enums, but there's no IF NOT EXIST for types

[magic river]

enums in your DB are usually a bad idea

Yeah, you have to alter the table

[short yarrow]

I was planning on storing the enum as a string, but found out about the ENUM type

[magic river]

Better to use a foreign key to a table that is just [primaryKey, enumValue]

If you want the DB to be the source of truth for what the valid values for that column are, anyway

[potent fossil]

i've never used enum types in a db

have done what amaranth just said tho

[short yarrow]

Hmmm I see. That table that stores the enums would have to be manually managed and if I add an new enum in my code I'd have to add it to the table. Is that correct?

[magic river]

enum types in your DB seem like an amazing idea and then 6 months later you need to add a new option and cry

[potent fossil]

amaranth's table that has pkey->value works well

[short yarrow]

^ it's just the beginning and I want to cry

[potent fossil]

no

[magic river]

Yeah, if you add a new value to the enum in your code you'd need to add it to that table too

[short yarrow]

Now I suddenly love NoSQL!

[potent fossil]

webscale

.pride

[magic river]

You could just use a string and have your code be the source of truth

[limber knot]

June is LGBTQ Pride Month! That is why there are rainbows right now. Join the celebration! See more: https://nationaltoday.com/pride-month/

[potent fossil]

It'll be changed in July. Get over it.

How about click the link

[short yarrow]

Yeah I was just planning on having it as a string and storing enum.name(). Or add a string to the constructor of the enum

[magic river]

We do this kind of ugly kind of amazing thing where we have a hashtable table with all of these in it and a code generator that dumps that table and generates the enums based on it

[potent fossil]

what are you planning to model here, @short yarrow

Can you please read the link from the bot

It includes everything you need to know about it

.pride

[limber knot]

June is LGBTQ Pride Month! That is why there are rainbows right now. Join the celebration! See more: https://nationaltoday.com/pride-month/

[potent fossil]

https://nationaltoday.com/pride-month/

[short yarrow]

I'm working on a discord bot. So I have a configuration I'm trying to store in the table. Columns I have planned right now are

"guild_id BIGINT," +
"verification_type ENUM('NONE', 'EMOTE')," +
"verification_message_id BIGINT," +
"verification_emote_id BIGINT," +
"verified_role_id BIGINT"

[upbeat falcon]

1969 Stonewall Riots - Origins, Timeline & Leaders - HISTORY

https://www.history.com/topics/gay-rights/the-stonewall-riots
The ,Stonewall riots, (also referred to as the ,Stonewall uprising, or the ,Stonewall, rebellion) were a series of spontaneous demonstrations by members of the gay community in response to a police raid that began in the early morning hours of June 28, 1969, at the ,Stonewall, Inn in the Greenwich Village neighborhood of

Requested by Amaranth#2954 - stonewall riots - result 1 of 8

[potent fossil]

^ included on that link I sent.

<@&748618676189528155> Troll.

Plz just remove, thanks.

[short yarrow]

Instead of ENUM I was thinking of just using VARCHAR(255)

[cunning raft]

!ban @jolly stratus

[thorny flicker]

:raised_hands: Banned Woodypop#1459 (:peepoWave:) [2 total infractions] -- Joshie#0001.

[potent fossil]

yeah i usually just store a varchar (not 255, less) for the enum value in a particular column

[magic river]

varchar works and is simple but has the downside that I have to go look at your code to figure out what values I can put in there

[short yarrow]

Yeah less would work. I don't see it having more than a certain amount of characters

[magic river]

There is no reason to use less than 255 for a varchar unless the thing you're storing has an actual max length you need to enforce

[potent fossil]

yeah that ^ but managing enum in code and matching the state in db just sounds...so bad...

[potent fossil]

habit from my first job where column lengths were enforced and minimized

never learned if it was best practice or company weird(TM)

[magic river]

varchar is just a pointer in the row to the actual storage for the string and storing a 10 byte string in a varchar(255) takes just as much space as storing it in a varchar(255)

[short yarrow]

Hmm if someone were to manually modify the table, any value could be used for verification_type since it's just varchar

or if a typo was made

[magic river]

They aren't fixed length, thus the var part 😛

[potent fossil]

correct hydraxus

[short yarrow]

typo way more likely

typos happen a lot haha

[potent fossil]

so you can do the separate table that amaranth suggested

why would there be typos tho, code should be the one inserting/modifying

[cunning raft]

@minor badge

[minor badge]

I prefer enum types in postgres cause uhh

ALTER TYPE enum_type ADD VALUE 'cool';

[short yarrow]

So having another table be the source of truth is good. I'm enlightened 🙂

[minor badge]

it's simple to change so might as well

@cunning raft

[magic river]

Wait you can alter an enum in postgres without it having to rewrite the table?

[minor badge]

if I'm already in the position where I need it to be one of N types, it's worth imo

yeah

postgres is pogsql

[limpid comet]

postgres is cozy

[vestal jasper]

HUH

[limpid comet]

wtf fimple

[potent fossil]

Config:
id | verification_type
1  | 2

VerificationType:
id | value
1  | NONE
2  | EMOTE

something like that

wat u want bleu

[short yarrow]

I couldn't get past postgres :(. I thought types were cool until I found out there's no IF NOT EXISTS for types so I need to do some sort of check in my code or some crazy SQL logic. I feel like if I were to use postgres, I'd need to have everything in a sql file

[minor badge]

yeah uhh

use migrations like sane people

[short yarrow]

zzzCat mentioned flyway

[potent fossil]

so ur tellin me theres no universally gr8 rdbms

[minor badge]

there is, postgres :>

[potent fossil]

mari best mari

[short yarrow]

NoSQL looking might fine now

[potent fossil]

just model your data correctly

dont try joining in nosql, you can do it but it aint fun

[unique snow]

I endorse this statement

NoSQL is great until you try to use it like you would a RDBMS

[magic river]

postgres is also (mostly) webscale via Amazon Aurora, CockroachDB, and Google Spanner

[unique snow]

After which you'll think for a significant amount of time that it's amazing, and then when it's too late, you'll realize how much of a mistake it was

[magic river]

Or Amazon RDS and Azure Database for PostgreSQL if you want real postgres but want someone else to manage it, won't scale as well but it'll be 100% postgres

[minor badge]

aurora is working very well for us

[magic river]

Aurora is like Spanner, it's Amazon's own distributed DB tech with a postgres protocol adapter on top

iirc

[cosmic raft]

@mental meadow keep up the good work!

😁

[magic river]

Aurora doesn't scale the same way though, it's not a multi-zone thing

It scales by having the DB files on networked storage and having multiple read-only instances all pointed at the same storage

[unique snow]

Some of the main areas people run into issues is they don't have a strong schema, or think they can ignore the agreed schema this one time, or just make a poor choice in how they create a relationship, or they don't handle a schema migration correctly because they're not limited by the RDBMS

[magic river]

It's not really doing replicas, just a distributed writer lock or some fancy lock free transaction thing

[unique snow]

All of that can happen with an RBDMS, but an RDBMS makes it harder to make those mistakes in various ways

[short yarrow]

Hmm I see. I just did a migration (sort of). I just added a new column/field to replace a current column/field. Currently writing to the current and new column and making the code changes necessary to use the new column

[unique snow]

Also once your database becomes bigger cracks tend to form.. it's better to identify what database fits your intended purpose, and sometimes using multiple databases is the answer

[short yarrow]

It seems fine so far since my table is pretty small

[unique snow]

One of the projects I work on uses SQL for long term storage, and Redis for session information.

[short yarrow]

I wonder how people migrate their databases seamlessly without any downtime. It feels pretty crazy

[magic river]

I don't think I've ever had a case where a document DB was actually the answer, it's always been relational or key/value

[short yarrow]

lIke massive databases

[magic river]

If I think it's not I just haven't thought out the schema yet

[unique snow]

I think MongoDB is good for logging, or tracking.

[potent fossil]

I don't think it's as much "the answer" as it is simply "easier" to model some more complex stuff

They never needed it to model their data, it was just easier. So they did.

[magic river]

Yeah, something you can just toss data soup in to and write parsers for later

[unique snow]

Yep, exactly

[magic river]

Where logging it now is more important that figuring out exactly what you should log and how

[unique snow]

You want to have as much data as you can in those situations too, especially if security is involved.

Sometimes a zero day vuln will have logging information that would have been discarded if you tried to use something else.. that being said.. can always use flat files too.

Just makes data less centralized which can make using it less efficient

[magic river]

Yeah, without any kind of relations or indices there isn't really any value in using a DB over just log files, is there?

[unique snow]

rsyslog too, of course

[potent fossil]

I mean mongo has a lot of data processing functions in it, which you ofc can get elsewhere but

[magic river]

They're log files so keeping them in memory isn't important like it would be a for KV store

[unique snow]

Yeah, correct, what graylog does is it extracts key parts of the log for indexes, and the rest is just the message

(graylog uses mongo)

[magic river]

I suppose if you think mongo can process the data faster than some quick rust + serde + regex program can (or if you can't write said program) that would be a reason to go with it

[unique snow]

Mongo does have indexes if you didn't know (assuming you did)

[magic river]

Yeah, I know it does

[potent fossil]

It's not about thinking mongo can do it faster, it's again the ease of use point of view

You throw it in mongo, call a mongo function, spit the data out

Of course you can pull the data and run it through a diff stack

But...like, half the time, why

[unique snow]

I think the advantage of it in this case is graylog in particular, being able to collate all your logs and trigger alerts.

[potent fossil]

the logging argument is a good one

[magic river]

I've been trying to get us going with a greylog or splunk setup at work off and on for a few months now

[unique snow]

I wouldn't say I would use MongoDB for logging, I personally think that's insane when there are free products like Graylog

But I can understand big corps doing it

[potent fossil]

I meant a document db in general

Alright I need more coffee

[magic river]

I even patched all our web services to generate UUIDs for each request and include them in their log output to prepare for it

[unique snow]

I use graylog for my home lab, cisco switches, k8s hosts, misc other things. I know it's not specifically MongoDB that I like, but how graylog does it.. but it's useful to identify common issues and trigger alerts when they occur.

[golden gust]

logs are better than no logs

But, with all the frameworks out there for logging, etc

[short yarrow]

Devop folks! I have no clue what I'm doing when it comes to devops

[unique snow]

I have used MongoDB for logging on a discord bot before, it's not ideal for that due to edits.. documents become big quickly.

[short yarrow]

What do you have to log that needs to be stored in a database?

Only logs I have are file logs

[unique snow]

Have you tried something like https://www.jaegertracing.io?

[golden gust]

biggest idea of logs is having them somewhere you can access them or what the intent is

[potent fossil]

you can ingress file based logs into a database using a batch process, and then refer to the database as source of truth

[golden gust]

if those are stuff that you wanna query for functionality, storing it in a DB makes sense

[potent fossil]

or if the app supports it, log direct to db

[golden gust]

for lonesome use, log files are fine

But, there are many tools out there for logging which lets you pick up events and such much easier than dealing with files

ofc, it depends on your needs and how ingrained you need to be into them

[potent fossil]

that way you can have a web ui and see all your log alerts in one place across all apps, or w/e

[short yarrow]

So at work we have 1 log file per host/server for logs and they get stored on CloudWatch

[potent fossil]

I'm willing to bet the log files get batch moved to a network drive and then batch ingressed into cloudwatch

Ask your network team

[short yarrow]

Apparently you can do a lot with CloudWatch logs. Like querying them for stuff

[potent fossil]

That's more or less what we're talking about just w/o AWS

[unique snow]

Also I'm a huge fan of redis/sentinel/cluster.

[short yarrow]

Ah

[unique snow]

For small and simple data sets that you need to be quickly accessed or pubsub it's awesome.

[cosmic raft]

rabbitmq <3

[short yarrow]

No network team! I actually how no clue how the logs are sent to CloudWatch. I just know it's really quick to update (I don't think it's real time but couple seconds off maybe)

[unique snow]

RabbitMQ is cool too

[potent fossil]

infra team, dude who set it up one-man-team, etc

w/e

[short yarrow]

No devops either haha!

[unique snow]

Actually that's probably all managed by the one guy who left 10 years ago and didn't document anything team.

[potent fossil]

Seems legit.

[short yarrow]

When you have 70,000 engineers at a company somethings just work or don't and you have no idea why

🙂

[unique snow]

LOL ah, well there you go. Just too big for you to know who does it.

[short yarrow]

It could just be that's how it's configured by default lol

Gotta be able to get services up and running quickly

I would prefer to work with more open source stuff though

So I'd like to move to a startup later on if I can

[unique snow]

Find a project you like that has a smallish team with either a language you love or want to learn, and just invest in helping them out

[short yarrow]

My team's pretty small. We use java which is nice since I get to build on what I know

The stuff I work on is fairly simple compared to plugins I've seen people write

[unique snow]

I meant for open source, if you love writting java find a java project you like using, and see what outstanding issues you think you can tackle

[short yarrow]

Ahhh

Right now I'm working on a highly configurable discord bot. I've been looking at projects and I just find it crazy how people make these large plugins/libraries

[unique snow]

Provided they are actually decent people they'll discuss differences of opinion and methodology and help you contribute, if they're not then you just have to find something else

[short yarrow]

A library I was looking at was cloud https://github.com/Incendo/cloud. If you're not actively working on the code base or maybe even trying to add a feature, how can you know what's going on at all

With this many classes, do you not lose track of what class does what?

[golden gust]

sane design and experience with the codebase

(generally the latter more than the former)

[magic river]

Is Chalmers University of Technology like the MIT of Europe? It seems like every time I see interesting computer science work come out of universities in Europe one or all of the authors are from there

[latent crane]

If you're using a community project in your project the chances are you know exactly what does what anyways.
Look at the bukkit api, for most of us we all know it off the back of our hands, and if we can think of a improvement we create patches for it.

You make the usages fit for purpose

[merry talon]

unless you're me and get hyperfocused on logging absolutely everything and then never actually ship anything

[golden gust]

how can you know what's going on at all

and that's part of the entire concept of libraries

You don't NEED to know what's going on

[warm anchor]

LET's ASK INCENDO EXPERT @waxen panther

[golden gust]

You just need to know how to interface and use it

you're not gonna expect random devs to using your software to really know shit about what goes under the hood

most plugin devs know jack all about the server

and, that's fine

[waxen panther]

i mean, just use your ide and hop around different places :p. you dont need to understand the entire codebase to make a change

[merry talon]

I'm not convinced that the core team know jack all about the server

[waxen panther]

especially cat

[merry talon]

[golden gust]

code go brr

I just wanna nap ;-;

[waxen panther]

server tick, tick do stuff ?

less tick mean bad

[golden gust]

SERVER GO BRRRR

[limpid comet]

that's me

[warm anchor]

cat is just a random brit, kashi picked up on the street of london an now enslaved in #paper-help . True story

[merry talon]

more tick mean good

[latent crane]

Elec most mc devs don't know how to compile a proper jar 😂

[merry talon]

40tps

[magic river]

I forgot most things about the server

[latent crane]

Most never even seen a META-INF folder and try call themselves fullstack developers 😂

[magic river]

If you get me going I might remember enough of it to tell you why something is garbage but I can't just think of it right away

[unique snow]

It has often been rated in the top 10 tech universities in the world.

Think MIT even rates it there

[magic river]

MIT rates it top 10 for STEM anyway

[unique snow]

I've seen probably 4 misc articles about how good it is, though don't know anything first hand

[merry talon]

i feel like

universities rating other universities

is a bit of a conflict of interest lol

[magic river]

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/an-extended-super-mario-bros-movie-cut-has-been-unearthed-28-years-after-release/1100-6492228/

I need this in my life

[merry talon]

What

since when was there a super mario bros movie

[magic river]

...wat

It's the most beautiful garbage ever made

[merry talon]

Oh no

[waxen panther]

looks like i've found something to watch this evening

[merry talon]

[static badge]

zoomers

[merry talon]

you're a zoomer

[static badge]

I am also cultured

how have you never heard of that movie

[warm anchor]

furry

[waxen panther]

idk too busy not being a furry ig

[static badge]

oh I guess there was never an anime adaptation

[waxen panther]

true

[warm anchor]

wtf

[waxen panther]

i would've watched it if there was

😀

[warm anchor]

the game was anime to begin with???

[merry talon]

[magic river]

It's Super Mario Bros but a campy cyberpunk dystopia

I know those words don't make sense together but it's still true

[warm anchor]

I am convinced Amaranth

I will watch it

[waxen panther]

ioe group watch wen

[potent fossil]

lmao that smb movie

[magic river]

"It's not the Mario movie that fans and kids were asking for, and it is kind of broad and dumbed-down, but as this bonkers cyberpunk fantasy aimed at thirteen-year-olds? It's kind of cool and crazy that this film even exists," Gilchrist said.

[potent fossil]

i barely remember that

[magic river]

I've seen it at least half a dozen times

[potent fossil]

I haven't watched it in at least 10 years

[magic river]

Oh yeah, I don't even remember when I last watched it

Probably like 2005?

Nah, later than that, going to say 2008

[potent fossil]

This is Paper, no offense but we could not care less about your bans in other servers

[void void]

lol

[magic river]

I watched it a few times on HBO when staying with my grandparents as a kid and then caught it on like TBS or something, one of those cable channels that likes to run movies all the time but has commercials

I never actually looked for it to watch it, just whenever I saw it was on I had to watch

[ashen cliff]

Except from Spigot. Since you can't get banned from there.

[potent fossil]

.kill krusic

[limber knot]

snacks on krusic's dismembered body.

[ashen cliff]

Bro.

[potent fossil]

why is this carcass speaking to me

[rare fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/chill-chill-out-chill-pill-calm-down-chillax-gif-21367936

[ashen cliff]

Since 1.17 is almost here, Jake will show up again.

[waxen panther]

show up, buy core team pizza, dip

[merry talon]

did that happen..?

[ashen cliff]

It did.

Even have a video of him using a utility client to help test stuff.

[merry talon]

welp, if he has to do it again

might as well automate it https://github.com/ndmckinley/terraform-provider-dominos

[potent fossil]

[ashen cliff]

Impossible task: buying me a pizza.

No one delivers out here.

[limpid comet]

Bro

[ashen cliff]

Bro.

[merry talon]

https://github.com/ndmckinley/terraform-provider-dominos/issues/13

[limpid comet]

@cedar spade get off my pizza

[potent fossil]

@ashen cliff so you live in the balkan version of the boondocks

wow, i just learned that boondocks in english comes from the tagalog word for mountain bundok. that's wild. wtf i never knew that

[warm anchor]

No joke if any core team pulling all nighter this round of patch I will buy them pizza and tacos.

[pale pasture]

same

[ashen cliff]

Yes.

[rare fiber]

So, please someone explain to me. Why does every Minecraft Java server software have to be competitive and toxic with each other? Why can't we all agree that every server is situational in what it needs, and there is no "best" software out there unless if you wanna go into really solid stability AKA Paper/Spigot.

[ashen cliff]

Not how competition works.

[golden gust]

1. generally not the case, at least not from out side afaik

[rare fiber]

But why IS THERE competition?

[golden gust]

2. getting along is overrated

[rare fiber]

Lol

[warm anchor]

Just be like zzcat. He hates everyone EQUALLY!

[rare fiber]

xD

[warm anchor]

True equality

[golden gust]

Ideally everybody gets along and we all work on the same codebase

[rare fiber]

I mean at least can we NOT TIE software to the people who create the software

They are 2 completely different things

[golden gust]

ofc, as with any community, theres gonna be people who think they can do better or wanna do their own thing

[ashen cliff]

Everyone has their own idea of what is acceptable. Yatopia trades world corruption for speed.

[warm anchor]

There will be design choice and metrology difference

People just think differently

[rare fiber]

I get that. But making false claims about being the best, or being better than everyone else doesn't help.

[ashen cliff]

Marketing.

[rare fiber]

I feel like you understand my point though zzzCat.

[magic river]

I mean, Paper is definitely better than Spigot

Beyond that it's tradeoffs

[broken rampart]

just a heads up this castafer is someone related to yatopia that's been joining different discords and trolling for some reason

[rare fiber]

We aren't selling anything here, that's what I don't understand.

[ashen cliff]

We are.

[warm anchor]

[rare fiber]

xD

[magic river]

The real star is still CraftBukkit, too bad that project died

[rare fiber]

I've used Paper for a long time before I started trying out all the other forks.

[warm anchor]

You are essentially presenting your own reputations even if you ain’t selling or moneitized anything

This applies to forks especially

[magic river]

I think most of what's in Tuinity could easily be in Paper. I honestly thought Yatopia was a meme for a long time

Purpur kind of is a meme but also has some really neat features that I can't see ever going in to Paper

[left swift]

O shit fork talk night

Almost missed it

[ashen cliff]

O fork shit talk night.

[rare fiber]

I feel like that can be a taco xD

[left swift]

U fork ur shit?

[magic river]

Illegal activity?

[warm anchor]

🍿

[magic river]

I mean, from my perspective you're all illegal so, you know 😄