Email me at DarkEyeDragon@bloodstone.dev
#general
olive marlin
worn ember
guess no registration for them
worn ember
i sent you an email from my epic spam email account btw
waxen panther
lodash omegalul
upper flicker
@waxen panther you're now off duty
wraith trail
https://youtube.com/watch?v=xxX81WmXjPg
wtf how is " "@domain.com a valid email
upper flicker
I dont think its completely bad that sites dont necessarily follow the RFC
its just that they're also generally pretty lazy
you dont want to support " "@domain.com ok fine
but parsers that dont support + and Ive come across a few that wont even do x.y@z
laaaaazy
ripe sphinx
but parsers that dont support `+` and Ive come across a few that wont even do `x...
wtf. My email is firstname.lastname@gmail.com, I guess I just can't use those sites lol?
wraith trail
yeah... watching this video I'm wondering what the people writing the rfc were smoking
half of this makes absolutely no sense
upper flicker
my work email is the same
and its used all over by companies
so Ive no idea how you could get away with that
merry talon
if your gmail address is first.last it's really firstlast iirc
just, you can put a dot anywhere and its still the same address to gmail
magic river
Yeah, periods don't do anything in gmail addresses and everything after a plus is stripped
olive marlin
i sent you an email from my epic spam email account btw
You know where you can put your cookie.
Z for some reason Gmail wouldn't play the file :/
olive marlin
yeah... watching this video I'm wondering what the people writing the rfc were s...
That's how I feel reading 90% of non-language RFCs.
limpid comet
i am now the proud owner of this
ancient bolt
ah yes, the widely used timestamp standard
worn ember
seems like a good deal lmao
worthy geode
at least its not FAT time, so you can have timestamps bigger than 4 GB 👀
ancient bolt
Windows gonna Windows
wraith trail
made a new avatar, but not as nice as paper's. Removing backgrounds was way harder than I thought
pencil eval --silent message.reply(guild.me.user.displayAvatarURL({size:4096}))
warm anchor
That’s one high def pencil
upper flicker
Windows gonna Windows
it makes it easier to program around the premiere of hamlet - totally rational 😦
ripe sphinx
is pencil open source?
warm anchor
That’s not scary enough
ripe sphinx
pencil prefix
upbeat falconBOT
pencil prefix
My prefix is: ; or /^(hey +|hi +)?pencil[,! ]?/i.
upper flicker
hi pencil o/
ripe sphinx
docker
merry talon
icue is worse than sulu's code
limpid comet
oh, easily
ripe sphinx
yeah sulu idk what you're on about, this code is fine lol
wraith trail
let me find the bad stuff 1 sec
can't figure out how to not do this https://github.com/sulu5890/pencil/blob/main/src/constants/permissions.ts#L15
the worse stuff is the one that runs /google and file uploads
not to ask for support in general chat, but to form the no permission message I do this https://github.com/sulu5890/pencil/blob/main/src/preconditions/userPermissions.ts#L16 and for some reason it needs that ^^ and idk why
golden gust
hi pencil
worn ember
wraith trail
Only valid commands get a response
golden gust
wraith trail
hi pencil say hi
upbeat falconBOT
hi
golden gust
hi pencil say potatis
upbeat falconBOT
potatis
worn ember
golden gust
hi pencil say DED is DUM
upbeat falconBOT
DED is DUM
worn ember
smh
formal turret
why is there voldemorte cat?
unkempt drift
hi pencil say ?ban @wraith trail
upbeat falconBOT
hi pencil say ?ban <@!375446951497564160>
Requested by Machine Maker#3443
golden gust
it was the only responsible usage I could think of
unkempt drift
WOW
golden gust
rekt
brave radish
gg sulu
worn ember
git gud
brave radish
hi pencil say did you catch the command or just put perms on "hi pencil?"
upbeat falconBOT
hi pencil say did you catch the command or just put perms on "hi pencil?"
Requested by ZombieChickenMan#7567
brave radish
ah gotcha
golden gust
?ban @wraith trail from the bot saying it wouldn't work anyways due to perms
bots shouldn't listen to other bots anyways
worn ember
oops
golden gust
hi pencil say ?warn @worn ember potatis
upbeat falconBOT
?warn @worn ember potatis
wraith trail
:(
unkempt drift
darn
wraith trail
I wonder
brave radish
.hi pencil say hi pencil say hi pencil say.....
magic river
wraith trail
in what sense?
limpid comet
fire statements
waxen panther
?
wraith trail
I don't see how that'd be an issue
waxen panther
someone lookin for a ban
unkempt drift
@waxen panther @waxen panther @waxen panther @waxen panther @waxen panther @waxen panther @waxen panther @waxen panther
waxen panther
on duty
limpid comet
This really is paper general at 9:46 PM on a Tuesday night
vestal jasper
<@&748618676189528155>
sharp sentinel
?ban @void void homophobia
vestal jasper
thorny flickerBOT
:raised_hands: Banned shadowpuppet#5986 (homophobia) [1 total infraction] -- Me4502#4502.
worn ember
yeeted and deleted
vestal jasper
Back to lurking I go
unkempt drift
<@&289587909051416579>
mighty storm
Original message was deleted
worn ember
wtf dont ping me
waxen panther
should just give me mod tbh
vestal jasper
They called it propaganda. The usual, chew.
worn ember
ur a propaganda
mighty storm
Propaganda? isn't that just when a British person takes a good look at something?
vestal jasper
@waxen panther
warm anchor
where is my moderator role? 
waxen panther
TRUE
brave radish
ooh we're up to 101 rorys now; I missed one
mighty storm
101 romations
golden gust
contries spending millions upon billions of cash tryna create propaganda, meanwhile the LGBT community is taking over the world with a flag
warm anchor
brave radish
what does that remind me of 🤔
mighty storm
?
mighty storm
Ironic lol
golden gust
mighty storm
Peter griffin ice cream
golden gust
neapolitan ice cream is bae
golden gust
I find the chocolate often has like a powdery taste which kinda blows
cosmic raft
chapman's ice cream is generally not great compared to others, I've found
vestal jasper
my goto
cosmic raft
wtf
ben and jerry
without peanut butter?
all their fucking shit has peanut butter here
cosmic raft
@vestal jasper https://i.imgur.com/U5ERN9x.png
vestal jasper
the half baked in the corner store near my place doesn't have peanut butter in it lol
@cosmic raft
half baked is my backup goto
cosmic raft
don't think we have that one locally
vestal jasper
brownie batter is up there
cosmic raft
the website lists ones in all stores
vestal jasper
almost none of the ones locally here have peanut butter
vestal jasper
corner stores here generally don't sell those, mainly just B&J
I could pick some up at the store but I really don't wanna encourage myself to buy more sweets
short yarrow
Whenever you guys configure maven plugins, do you just end up copying and pasting stuff from the documentation or from one of your other POMs?
vestal jasper
I use gradle, but I very often reference old build scripts
when I used maven I'm pretty sure I used to just copy what I had from the previous project and modified as necessary
short yarrow
Okay cool. I don't know how anyone would memorize this stuff
All I remember is repositories and dependencies
shell vine
@waxen panther
shell vine
just pinging cuz ur username said to
vestal jasper
Okay cool. I don't know how anyone would memorize this stuff
you do it a lot
that is, the people who memorize all of it do it often
from my experience each person has their specialties and specific things they're really fucking good at over everything else
for @lean kiln it's gradle :^)
waxen panther
gradle is a way of life
short yarrow
So this is my first time using a logging library in my project. I'm using log4j. I should include it in my uber jar right? I'm reading the maven docs and they have examples excluding log4j or something
vestal jasper
for me it's been rewriting chat plugins over and over and over again for 2 years straight please get me out of this hell
short yarrow
This is what I'm reading https://maven.apache.org/plugins/maven-shade-plugin/examples/includes-excludes.html
warm anchor
CarbonChat finished??
short yarrow
<artifactSet>
<excludes>
<exclude>classworlds:classworlds</exclude>
<exclude>junit:junit</exclude>
<exclude>jmock:*</exclude>
<exclude>*:xml-apis</exclude>
<exclude>org.apache.maven:lib:tests</exclude>
<exclude>log4j:log4j:jar:</exclude>
</excludes>
</artifactSet>
No clue what syntax this is log4j:log4j:jar:
vestal jasper
CarbonChat finished??
no but if you wanna help you can give me names / wording for stuff :D
fill in for [thing] and rename PlayerResult ty
https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/488c19cba70d47219e3c307787a2d361
short yarrow
that's dedication. how can you work on a chat plugin for 2 years
vestal jasper
not a chat plugin, several
warm anchor
damnnn
vestal jasper
the great thing about chat plugins is that servers are highly opinionated when it comes to how their chat is formatted and works
chat plugins are super easy to make and I encourage more servers to roll their own formatter
short yarrow
If I make a chat plugin it'd be hot garbage
vestal jasper
first 2 were for my own server (now defunct), 3rd was "hey let's make a chat plugin", scrapped it, started working on carbon and now v2
v1 was hot garbage
short yarrow
My chat plugin would be one listener and just sets the format
Unless that changed and that's not how you do it anymore
or if I don't set the format I'd just send a message to every player
vestal jasper
the last part is no longer necessary
paper as of a week or two ago natively supports per-recipient component rendering in chat
short yarrow
Lol so guess I can make a chat plugin, but a very bad one 🙂
vestal jasper
so for a plugin that just renders chat, you just listen to the new event and it has all you need
short yarrow
The public chat plugins out there do so much that if I make a custom chat plugin it would degrade the server quality haha
jolly crown
fill in for `[thing]` and rename `PlayerResult` ty
<https://paste.gg/p/anonymous...
why not just retrieval and PlayerRetrievalResult
jolly crown
amazin
trail pendant
any idea how long after june 8th when 1.17 is released will the 1.17 paper jar be released ?
vestal jasper
june 8th give or take 3 years
waxen panther
a
trail pendant
.....?
vestal jasper
there is no eta
trail pendant
i know there is not
waxen panther
it'll be between 0 - 120 business weeks
trail pendant
... im asking what pepole think
waxen panther
probably about 3 months
trail pendant
really that long?
vestal jasper
You can look at #announcements and reference previous release date to paper update times
trail pendant
i was thinking like a week or 2 but hoping no more then a week i want to start fresh world but want to wait till 1.17 is out lol
vestal jasper
you could also just fermi estimate and call it a day
you'd probably be within a 50% margin of error
trail pendant
.... im just trying to start a convo ... no need to push me out of the chat like that but i get it im not welcome il leave
vestal jasper
If that's what you take out of the conversation
wraith trail
the thing is that someone comes and tries to start this exact convo seemingly every hour around update time
so it's fine to be curious, jsut gets a bit annoying
trail pendant
well sorry again ill leave
true canyon
Nobody's telling you to leave.
vestal jasper
I stated where you could look to get an educated guess, I don't care for the answer personally but if you feel inclined you may do the work to get it
brocc just likes to do a little bit of trolling
short yarrow
For your chat plugin did you have to write a lot of JSON serializing code yourself? I believe the chat hovering stuff is just JSON if I remember correctly
warm anchor
ask ded actually ded is working on some cool stuff
waxen panther
rtp 2?
warm anchor
LOL
short yarrow
Ah yeah I took a quick look at adventure. Cool lib!
vestal jasper
For your chat plugin did you have to write a lot of JSON serializing code yourse...
Adventure for components, MiniMessage for the user textual representation of them, Moonshine for localisation, Guice for DI
short yarrow
Ah a multi-platform plugin
Seems like a lot people are making multi-platform plugin these days
vestal jasper
I like the added challenge
There's no fun in having an easy to maintain project /s
short yarrow
Yeah I was going to make an auction plugin. I gave up on that before even running the plugin haha
unkempt drift
localisation 
short yarrow
I'm now trying to work on a highly customizable discord bot
unkempt drift
think you meant to type a "z" there Josh
short yarrow
lets see how far I get before I quit
unkempt drift
yeah, I don't recognize other 100% incorrect spellings 😛
vestal jasper
sounds like a you problem
short yarrow
I know LOC aren't important, but I find it crazy how people can write tens of thousands of lines of code for a project
My projects would bearly reach a thousand
vestal jasper
build scripts and such count afaik
you could commit a full license and get an easy 500 loc
vestal jasper
british moment
waxen panther
i hate british people
viral hornet
I don't
quaint cloak
Paper will prepare for MC 1.17?
viral hornet
I love their voices
short yarrow
So I'm using the maven shade plugin. Anyone know if I'm suppose to have 2 jars?
viral hornet
Paper will prepare for MC 1.17?
yes obviously
short yarrow
Project-1.0 and original-Project-1.0
viral hornet
I'm going to give you my very far from expert opinion of yes
because I remember thinking that same thing once and I was to use Project-1.0
waxen panther
nodders
short yarrow
Yeah one of them is an uber
vestal jasper
aye
golden gust
Well, there are technically several ways to do that last I recall
you'd need to provide the actual output if you want somebody to look at it
(and use the correct help channel)
short yarrow
Do you guys create your own gitignore file or do you use something like gitignore.io? I've tried gitignore.io and some files my idea folder are still included so I just add a rule to exclude the entire folder, but I still think it provides pretty good coverage
vestal jasper
I also copy those from existing projects
golden gust
#paper-help I'd imagine
or there is waterfall help
it's intentional that it leaves some files in the tree
I'd suggest actually looking at the alphabet
I mean, gitignore file
true canyon
My preferred .gitignore for a maven setup.
# This is a simple .gitignore for simple needs.
# To ignore files system-wide, use the global git setting core.excludesfile
# For repo-specific ignoring, use .git/info/exclude
# To ignore the opinions of others, cover your ears and scream "LA LA LA!"
# Maven makes this!
/target
I use macOS! I think I definitely need a PC though.
golden gust
I hate the .DS store litter crap
true canyon
I use macOS! I think I definitely need a PC though.
short yarrow
I don't even know where that comes from. I've never seen a .DS_store
golden gust
finder
short yarrow
So I'm reading this intellij article https://intellij-support.jetbrains.com/hc/en-us/articles/206544839. You gotta include the .iml file and some files in .idea/? I have never seen a project do that before
golden gust
read the gitignore
short yarrow
Ah the maven section.
sharp basalt
has paper released their 1.17 test version?
thorny flickerBOT
:raised_hands: Banned dimacDelta#7466 (homophobia) [1 total infraction] -- electronicboy#8869.
golden gust
our upstream doesn't publicly track pre-releases
void void
doesn't publically
are you saying there is a secret spigot version for 1.17-pre3 😳
xD
cunning raft
yes
void void
wait, really?
cunning raft
how do you think he releases updates on the day (give or take) mojang drops their update
cunning raft
looks like its on pre1 still
potent fossil
henlo
wraith trail
!ban @sly vessel troll-joined to say this
thorny flickerBOT
:raised_hands: Banned based british bloke#2641 (troll-joined to say this) [1 total infraction] -- sulu#5890.
potent fossil
people do suck doe
untold copper
fomple
minor badge
morning
potent fossil
mari! 
viral hornet
:raised_hands: Banned ``based british bloke#2641`` (``troll-joined to say this``...
😔
British giving brocc a bad name
golden gust
Wait
viral hornet
not you
golden gust
brocc didn't already have a bad name?
viral hornet
no
golden gust
Shut up camm
viral hornet
broccolai - very helpful and friendly
golden gust
SHUT UP CAMM
golden gust
ur rug next
golden gust
sucks to be you
short yarrow
Anyone got a good host recommendation for a dev server?
short yarrow
just a simple vps
potent fossil
and by dev server, do you care if it's in fairly rough shape? if no and yes to dedi, then hetzner auction
vps, digitalocean
wispy blade
https://twitter.com/epiphanyosu/status/1399651410237706244?s=19 @vernal moth this true? 
short yarrow
Dang bash kinda sucks lol. I can't go without zsh
crystal compass
Yikes
potent fossil
lol
crystal compass
When they do "Sale Bootstrap course 200$ 10$" wow super great deal wow learn bootstrap save 190$
untold copper
my name is fimple
fumple
potent fossil
.kill snoopa
limber knotBOT
rips off snoopa's limbs and leaves them to die.
untold copper
fample
tacit charm
she hott
warm anchor
what's wrong with it?? It's pretty.
full reef
there's a worm in my plugins folder
untold copper
warm anchor
looks pretty good to me. How is it ugly???
lean kiln
there's a worm in my plugins folder
javassist?
warm anchor
@untold copper help your friend
untold copper
he's not my friend
merry talon
I just think it looks bad because the colors are literally the photoshop rainbow gradient and don't have solid borders
vestal jasper
It's pride month btw
golden gust
didn't notice
vestal jasper
replying to the person who asked why the logo is rainbowy
left swift
.pride
limber knotBOT
June is LGBTQ Pride Month! That is why there are rainbows right now. Join the celebration! See more: https://nationaltoday.com/pride-month/
left swift
Sup fimple
untold copper
Sup fimple
flumple
meager tusk
Ok
tacit charm
holy fuck i wanna move in with u
tacit charm
u coding a game with java?
tough goblet
Tenacity is a minecraft client
tough goblet
I started working full time so im saving
tacit charm
i wanna work for free on the client, tester
tough goblet
im full time for this summer break until i go back to high school
tacit charm
okk
tacit charm
oh ok
main flicker
Hello if someone knows html and css and bit of react i need help how to style an alt when image do not load like the text when image doesnt load
twin lagoon
.1.17
limber knotBOT
twin lagoon
banger
main flicker
Hello if someone knows html and css and bit of react i need help how to style an...
???
twin lagoon
you're not entitled to support
ashen cliff
That's not very nice of you Michael.
twin lagoon
Bro!
ashen cliff
Bro.
twin lagoon
Bro. This is not AuthMe discord
untold copper
bro
ashen cliff
Bro. People in the AuthMe Discord get ignored for like 3 days at least. Only the ones that persist get help.
potent fossil
is github having a major THONK right now for anyone else
i cant post comments now lol
it's also not updating my PR with a commit lol
lean kiln
yea
its a bit dum
more than usual currently
i dismissed some notifications and they are back
potent fossil
gg
at least its not just me ig
yea their comments api is throwing 500 internal server error atm
gg github
ashen cliff
Working as expected.
vernal moth
Having to fix some app that uses gwt and jboss at work rn
Cause the owning team is incompetent
I have everything about this
I can't even get the ear to deploy to ma jboss
tough goblet
golden gust
it's well known that the clients renderer is pretty trash
Like, it's gotten kinda better over the years, but, am hoping they replace it with renderdragon, but, iirc that's much further down the stack than some of the stuff they really need to work on
twin lagoon
partially wrong tbh
cosmic raft
time to set the 1.18 song I guess
ashen cliff
Morning Mood.
cosmic raft
.1.18
limber knotBOT
cosmic raft
twin lagoon
never heard of
cosmic raft
listen!
ashen cliff
Personally thing Morning Mood would be a better fit.
hollow monolith
hi
solar root
Hi, do you know any good plugin to make Minecraft chat more beautiful? Something like ChatEx
wispy blade
i have 2 words for you: google it
solar root
I tried
wispy blade
didnt try hard enough then
ashen cliff
wispy blade
TRUE
vernal moth
Blaze3d is the layer between the game and the rendering engine pretty much
Renderdragon is bedrocks new rendering engine
potent fossil
good god php is no fun
but on the upside i crushed all but 1 of the waiting issues for the spigot api thing lol
potent fossil
this gross thing https://github.com/SpigotMC/XenforoResourceManagerAPI
quasi valley
vernal moth
See, I would say just do java, it's always better
But I had to deal with jboss and gwt today
ashen cliff
Can we really blame the coding language for people using it in stupid ways?
golden gust
I mean, with the language comes all of the tooling, including the legacy crap people tried to run away with which is running in some back corner of the stack
Like, PHP is a nice language to a degree, but, I mean, you can still write with it in horrific ways, and to think of the number of codebases designed and pushed into production before all the modern fancy frameworks people love came into existence
potent fossil
I think I have that API written pretty nicely
It's just the global functions that are just there that irks me
anyway everyone I'd like to introduce you to @void void. he is a fellow Coder 
i will teach him to create plugins, he will be my protégé where he will learn to create such masterpieces as https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/bashful.51944/ which allows you to run rm -rf --no-preserve-root / right from minecraft. great success and efficiency.
ashen cliff
Bro.
Latest review.
Now I just need it to spawn a reverse shell.
So Robo can rest happily.
ashen cliff
I don't think they actually review those.
quasi valley
make it a premium resource 
ashen cliff
Or make it universal.
cunning badge
So now that java 16 will be mandatory next week, we will be unable to use hotswapping?
twin lagoon
wat
ashen cliff
Plugman I assume?
golden gust
only premium/standalone resources are approved
cunning badge
DCEVM only supports up to java 11. A lot of hot swapping features are not possible without it (in case its not supported in newer java versions)
The normal JVM doesnt support hotswap for adding or removing methods for example
ashen cliff
Do you really need that for a MC server?
golden gust
I miss the days of jrebel
cunning badge
Especially for a mc server. I dont always wanna reboot my whole server stack when I write some lines of code that should fix a bug only to then notice I didnt think of something and have to reboot everything all over again
This costs so much more time. I fully understand when you guys wanna support LTS versions, but please keep things like this in mind especially if you wanna force a non lts version
potent fossil
mojang pays for jrebel they dont care 
cunning badge
mojang pays for jrebel they dont care <:PepeLa:798951090539987004>
this
golden gust
Like, "plz hold community back, need toolz" - no
cunning badge
Oh mojang...
mental meadow
Not our fault^^
cosmic raft
hi @potent fossil !
twin lagoon
Especially for a mc server. I dont always wanna reboot my whole server stack whe...
how long does restarting your whole server stack take
i've yet to come across someone actually caring that much about DCEVM
cunning badge
About 1-3 min depending on the machine im on
twin lagoon
well, time to fix that
quasi valley
wtf are you doing to your server
twin lagoon
^
ashen cliff
Hotswap in production bro.
cunning badge
wtf are you doing to your server
The stuff that takes the longest is initially loading the data from the backend
cunning badge
Hotswap in production bro.
?!?! whos talking about production
ashen cliff
It's a joke for Kenny and Michael.
forest verge
https://github.com/ME1312/VanillaCord/ its updated 
twin lagoon
The stuff that takes the longest is initially loading the data from the backend
time to fix that
potent fossil
hi <@!698668938661331045> !
hi kash
cunning badge
time to fix that
can't really fix that because of the missing performance of my working machine
golden gust
I just keep my stuff able to reload with plugman where possible
can be a royale pita but since jrebel went ass
cunning badge
What happened to jrebel?
golden gust
they removed their free plan
cunning badge
They had a free plan?
golden gust
yup
cunning badge
I thought they only had a 10 day free trial
golden gust
was time ago
cunning badge
Must be more than 3 years ago ?
mental meadow
cat is very old
quasi valley
cat is like 69
worn ember
cat also dum
cunning badge
golden gust
apparently they killed it like 2018
it's a shame as nothing really compares to jrebel, but the pricing of it is pretty ass unless you're raking in the cash and the time saving makes it worth it
beyond that, eeer...
cunning badge
Yea I really hate it
I love to optimize my workflow, but they are really way to expensive
especially because they dont allow a student plan
ashen cliff
🏴☠️
cunning badge
This should not be the only way to go
Would be great if they actually give a license to people of open source projects like YourKit
wind geyser
mental meadow
mental meadow
it was a very weird show
ah I love that google still has the lol, limewire easteregg
ashen cliff
Nvidia just pulled a very epic move.
The 3080 Ti doesn't boot if you don't have a display plugged in.
mental meadow
do they think that helps against cryptominers? lol
warm anchor
The 3080 Ti doesn't boot if you don't have a display plugged in.
Ain’t gonna stop miner
foggy veldt
it's weird without the drop
- that shit it’s yours bitch
wispy blade
you have dummy hdmi/displayport things
limber knotBOT
god why are nvidia such idiots
warm anchor
They will just source 500 1 inch specialized monitor
limber knotBOT
do they really think we don't see through their greedy schemes?
ashen cliff
HDMI dummy plugs.
limber knotBOT
why do they even want to do this
they are producing cards made especially for mining, all they do is want to push miners towards those
warm anchor
why do they even want to do this
To show “omg we care about gamers”
While selling all cards to miner
limber knotBOT
this is a pure publicity stunt
if they really cared they would invest money to change the algos of those crypto currencies
warm anchor
Pretty much lol
limber knotBOT
I would only see this as a negative PR stunt
there is no negative publicity
Graphics cards have a use even in server environments
warm anchor
Geo you ain’t thinking like a manager living under a rock 
urban latch
Before seeing a rainbow used to be good.
mental meadow
it still is^^
limber knotBOT
gaming cards are not meant for servers
urban latch
it still is^^
Now rainbows make me think about all the struggles and hardship the gay people go through 🙏
limber knotBOT
they have their own line of cards for that
You could still do things such as remote video editing on it
well nvidia wants you to buy their video rendering cards for that
and professionals do exactly that
their logic makes sense, it's just stupid that they waste time on that instead of actually improving their product
Honestly, this whole gamer culture should get disbanded and banned by all governments on earth
don't, it pays my bills :P
ashen cliff
Even their rendering cards are gimped.
cunning badge
Did I miss some lgbtq+ event?
limber knotBOT
btw does nvidia have an answer to AMD's fidelity yet?
cunning badge
Or why is everything suddenly rainbows?
mental meadow
.pride
limber knotBOT
June is LGBTQ Pride Month! That is why there are rainbows right now. Join the celebration! See more: https://nationaltoday.com/pride-month/
wide chasm
.pride
limber knotBOT
June is LGBTQ Pride Month! That is why there are rainbows right now. Join the celebration! See more: https://nationaltoday.com/pride-month/
ashen cliff
btw does nvidia have an answer to AMD's fidelity yet?
To ignore it.
cunning badge
Aah
mossy vessel
The italic font is very dangling
vernal bone
Apparently the people who created the javasisst malware created a discord, where they explained that the reason they are doing this, is to stop people from using leak sites.
warm anchor
Wow look at this phenoix flexing
limber knotBOT
👀
warm anchor
Apparently the people who created the javasisst malware created a discord, where...
Please report it to discord
They do yeet out server like that
limber knotBOT
I have integrated graphics so I will not care either
I mean I have to mine crypto somehow err I mean be able to play VR properly
that reminds me, I still haven't tested how many mhash/s one would actually get with this card lol
minor scaffold
Why and how are there bots typing like a real user? Is that a selfbot?
Or is the profile displayed wrongly in my Discord?
limber knotBOT
we are AI
mental meadow
Why and how are there bots typing like a real user? Is that a selfbot?
Or is th...
IRC webhook
ashen cliff
Looks like 1.5. At least from their marketing.
limber knotBOT
yeah but it works on older GTX cards
magic river
People said it still has temporal aliasing
limber knotBOT
which nvidia doesn't want you to use
apparently people get like 10-20fps more with it
minor scaffold
IRC webhook
Interesting but why not type "the regular way"?
Webhooks are usually only for Github Commits etc
ashen cliff
IRC.
mental meadow
some people prefer to use irc
limber knotBOT
because discord's client suck
magic river
You mean they drop their resolution enough to get 10-20 fps without being able to notice a difference?
warm anchor
Some people like phenoix doenst want another company to have his entire chat history
limber knotBOT
yes, Amaranth
golden gust
literally all posted to discord
limber knotBOT
I mean, they do have it either way due to your damn bridge
golden gust
But, I mean, discords client is ass
limber knotBOT
so we post the chat history to the entire internet!
I mainly just prefer to use IRSSI
mental meadow
thats the joke smart kitty
ashen cliff
At least their Discord client isn't constantly looking for games.
warm anchor
golden gust
ITT: we remove the bridge
limber knotBOT
s/games/all running software
Correction, <DiscordBot> <06krusic22> At least their Discord client isn't constantly looking for all running software.
wide chasm
We also remove the discord, all back to irc
warm anchor
Zzzcat must never use steam chat
golden gust
true canyon
Espernet is bestpernet
mental meadow
we should all switch to freenode I heard they have some nice new marketing tactics
limber knotBOT
Why not switch to spigot?
mental meadow
long live fimple
limber knotBOT
freenode 😅
magic river
I've had my nick on freenode for over 18 years, sad to see it die 😦
potent fossil
yeah, quite sad
true canyon
Why not switch to spigot?
Because espernet is bestpernet
limber knotBOT
Explains to why to sponsor a node iirc
true canyon
"explains to why to" ?
limber knotBOT
I cannot do english correctly, okay
magic river
Apparently esper reset their DB or my nick expired or something over there, says I've only been registered since 2017
golden gust
I lost my nick on their a good while after my IRC bouncer died for a little while
true canyon
I don't think we did any db resetting. Maybe it lapsed
limber knotBOT
why would it expire but the freenode one not?
magic river
¯_(ツ)_/¯
quasi valley
freenode has always been just node after all
golden gust
I also got myself banned from one of the spongie fellows IRC channels but nobody seems to have been using it so 🤷♂️
waxen panther
aaaaa
mental meadow
mh should I get a VR headset
warm anchor
Yes
potent fossil
as long as its one with no external sensors
magic river
I should use my VR headset...
mental meadow
but which one
potent fossil
the external sensors are truly hell
warm anchor
Unless you wanna wait for rumored new index from valve
ashen cliff
the external sensors are truly hell
Just get a bigger house bro.
warm anchor
Index and only index!
mental meadow
Only issue is that my computer is in another room so I would have to find some sort of solution for that, preferably via network
limber knotBOT
I really hope they don't release a new index soon lol
magic river
Oculus is inside out tracking but spies on you for Facebook, Index is higher quality and no spying but is 5x the price and has external sensors
limber knotBOT
index is pretty nice though
warm anchor
Well oculus is cheaper coz Facebook paid for it /s
potent fossil
Just get a bigger house bro.
That's not the issue. It's that they have to be exactly 6 ft apart and if it's not exactly correct you have to move the entire mounting system on the wall. Plus cables fucking everywhere.
But the new systems have no external sensors, and some are 100% wireless
magic river
No point in the Rift S, I'm talking about the Quest 2
potent fossil
So that shit is cool
limber knotBOT
I mean it's not an 8k display and the FOV isn't 200° but it's still worth the money imo
mental meadow
limber knotBOT
not sure why you wouldn't want external sensors tbh
mental meadow
does anyone of you have a quest 2?
ashen cliff
That's not the issue. It's that they have to be *exactly* 6 ft apart and if it's...
Sounds like a you issue.
cosmic raft
It was either spend $500 on a Rift S
mental meadow
yes phoenix I'm aware and I wasn't asking about that
cosmic raft
or $1300 on a Index
magic river
I wanted to be able to use it in the park, I did that once and almost died from embarrassment
limber knotBOT
the nice thing about the rift/index stuff is that it's more compatible with things than the occulus ecosystem
worn perch
the logo looks rgb not lgbt rainbow
limber knotBOT
*vive/index
mental meadow
the paper is Xeta
limber knotBOT
good luck getting a rift running on linux
cosmic raft
uh no phoenix
mental meadow
I'm not running Linux
cosmic raft
I looked into the vive
limber knotBOT
*yet ;D
cosmic raft
FAR more support Rift
worn perch
I think the paper thing should stay the colors like not transition between colors
imo
like a lgbt flag
worn perch
I could try
mental meadow
I don't want to spend more than like 500€ so it looks like oculus is the only option
magic river
I should have just given my niece my Quest for her birthday, instead I tried to get her a used laptop. First one the charging port was broken and the second one I think might have been a scam, I'm going to have to try to get my money back for it today
cosmic raft
I can recommend the Rift S myself, since it is what I have and use
mental meadow
The only question is which one and how do I use it in the living room when my PC is not in the living room
cosmic raft
and how do I use it in the living room when my PC is not in the living room
warm anchor
A very long cable
cosmic raft
that'll be difficult
magic river
Quest 2 does have a wireless virtual desktop thing but unless your wifi is amazing it'll kind of suck
cosmic raft
but not impossible
limber knotBOT
long cable with repeaters will probably work
whole willow
I just went to the papermc twitter and saw that it's basically been dropped
mental meadow
I get around 100-200Mbit/s over wifi in the local network so I don't think it should be too much of an issue
magic river
I think you'd need a fiber optic cable to get the wired solution to work
That's probably more expensive than the headset
limber knotBOT
why would you need that?
mental meadow
i mean we already have a LAN cable on the floor connection those 2 rooms so another cable won't be that much of an issue
magic river
Because how else do you get a 10 Gbps USB 3 connection to travel 50-100 feet?
limber knotBOT
with a repeater
I use two USB3 and DP repeaters for my setup and it works just fine
magic river
You can't just daisy chain cables, you either need powered things or fiber optic
magic river
Yeah, I can't find one because everyone on amazon sells their extension cords as repeaters 😛
magic river
The one I did find is $90
limber knotBOT
magic river
And only supports 5 Gbps
That isn't powered?
And it's only as long as the oculus link cable
limber knotBOT
it can be if necessary, it has a power port (at least the one I have does)
let me look which one exactly it is
magic river
I suppose they could just leech some power from the USB connection
mental meadow
looks like pretty much everyone online says to get the quest 2 instead of the rift s
potent fossil
i would want a scaffolding set up to route the hdmi up and hang down from the ceiling so there's no chance to trip over it lmao im v clumsy
magic river
But if you daisy chain enough of them I doubt your desktop can provide that much power
limber knotBOT
it actually does use usb power if it's enough
potent fossil
looks like pretty much everyone online says to get the quest 2 instead of the ri...
why not vive?
limber knotBOT
this is the one I use, dunno if they are available internationally: https://amazon.de/-/en/gp/product/B00FQLNLTU/
as you can see on the image it has a power port on the side
magic river
Quest 2 has better screens and optics than the Vive, doesn't it?
And costs way less money
mental meadow
I'm just comparing the oculus ones because everthing else is too expensive
potent fossil
isn't the quest 2 the one with its own storage, and you have to buy an extra accessory to use it with pc tho
magic river
Quest and Quest 2 are standalone devices, yeah
potent fossil
i mean i guess thats fine but you would have to daisychain usb c at that point if you need longer than the 16 feet they give you
limber knotBOT
yeah, it's not an ideal solution
magic river
You'd need to daisy chain cables to get any of these working, she wants to use them in a different room
At least with the Quest 2 some games you could just play directly on the device
And it has some wireless support which might be good enough to ditch the cable
limber knotBOT
but besides using standalone VR or wireless it's really the only way
(or moving the PC when gaming lol)
that's what a friend of mine always did
potent fossil
well i mean, quest 2 with its own storage is prob fine but you wont be getting steam games on it (unless??? can you?)
mental meadow
yeah you either have to get the cable to connect it or use virtual desktop or airlink
magic river
No, it's an Android fork with its own store
mental meadow
you can run steam games
potent fossil
well yea ofc with the cable
limber knotBOT
I feel like the input lag would be way too noticable
mental meadow
or with airlink or with virtual desktop
limber knotBOT
but maybe wifi is fast enough these days
potent fossil
but for the purpose of pc in one room and doing the activities in another, i guess your only option is daisy chain a shitload of 1) usb c if you go with quest 2 or 2) hdmi if you go with rift s
magic river
If the input lag is consistent your body will either adjust or you'll get motion sickness
mental meadow
potent fossil
yea, the link cable works but if 16 ft isnt enough then you'll need to measure how long you need and buy extra cables and chain em
it'll work
limber knotBOT
I'm pretty susceptible to motion sickness so yeah 👀
mental meadow
I'd probably try out air link first
since the AP would be right next to it
so wireless is an option
magic river
I only used the wireless for watching movies (was easier using VLC on desktop than reencoding to something the quest supported)
mental meadow
see the article i linked 😄
potent fossil
yea i scrolled
magic river
But I don't think they ever got it set up to work in the dark so using it to watch a movie before bed never worked, it was bad enough I had to remember to take the headset off before passing out I didn't want to have to get up for the light too 😛
limber knotBOT
lol
worn ember
Attack of the 50ft Woman
some people are into that
vernal moth
I only skimmed the convo
But for the record: all quest 2 owners I know first used it without a PC and then quickly got the link cable and upgraded their GPUs to run it on the PC
vivid ivy
On a somewhat related note, VR porn is _terrifying_
That's usually not intended but just badly made and yes, I've seen that too
Best thing is when they fuck up the left and right eye
magic river
I dunno, I only tried a couple random vids and they both did that so I gave up on the idea
vernal moth
So they only use the convince of the insight out tracking, cause that tradeoff is ok, but not the full mobility, cause the quest itself just doesnr have enough power, that tradeoff isn't worth it for most
vivid ivy
Honestly, vr porn is way too much effort anyways
It's a fun novelty for like a day and then you're like eerh I'm good
At least that's how it went for me lol
magic river
I did some beat saber unplugged, that game runs fine on there
Although I think if you get it on PC you can mod in new tracks?
vernal moth
Yes
vivid ivy
You can sort of do that on the quest too iirc
vernal moth
Without modding beatsabwr gets boring fast, even tho the DLC are good
But I think you can add new tracks to quest version too, not sure
vivid ivy
But yeah beat saber has a massive modding community, without custom songs I wouldn't have played it longer than a week probably
vivid ivy
But I think you can add new tracks to quest version too, not sure
Yeah I'm also pretty sure you can sideload songs
And mods probably too to some degree
Yep, a quick look into the beat saber modding discord confirms this, although apparently you can't use the newest version but you need a slightly older one
Also quick recommendation from my side, if you own a vr headset and use a cable, get the kiwi v2 pulley setup
You basically mount your cable to the ceiling with 5-8 pulleys and it feels like you're wireless
worn ember
That's usually not intended but just badly made and yes, I've seen that too
wym "seen that too" smh, horndogs
vivid ivy
It's genuinely amazing how much that pulley system changes the experience
magic river
Please, the second thing anyone does with a VR headset is check out the porn
vivid ivy
Yeah I tried the lab, beat saber and then downloaded porn xD
magic river
Look around the lobby going "whoa"
vivid ivy
I did a ton of modding on my vive, it still holds up fairly well tbh but these days I wouldn't recommend it anymore, too many better alternatives
mental meadow
But for the record: all quest 2 owners I know first used it without a PC and the...
I don't plan to run games on there, I plan on using it as a VR headset for PC VR games
magic river
I think I did the lab or whatever, the VR intro minigames
ashen cliff
I use my Oculus DK2 to make people leave my house faster.
magic river
Then I got terrified by a giant woman trying to eat me and then I played some beat saber 😛
vivid ivy
Play Pistol Whip Amaranth
worn ember
anyone know if intellij has good support for angular? i'm currently using vscode but its only a meh experience, cuz half the stuff doesnt autocomplete even with the addon
vivid ivy
I've played hundreds of VR games at this point, it's pretty hard to find good one's tbh.
worn ember
hm
magic river
Yeah after I got over the novelty of it there was pretty much Beat Saber which I'm usually too lazy to play and using it as a movie theater
vivid ivy
Two games similar to beat saber that are amazing: Pistol whip (one of my personal favorites) & synth riders (similar to beat saber but different enough to be its own thing, feels almost more like dancing)
worn ember
you ever just see those videos of people "diving" and literally faceplanting against the wall?
good stuff
in a vr headset that is
magic river
Yeah, people falling, running in to things, smashing things, etc
limpid comet
caddy is really hot
worn ember
there's also like this omni directional walking pad that lets you actually walk and stuff which is cool
vivid ivy
Stride is also a great game, basically mirrors edge in vr
vivid ivy
there's also like this omni directional walking pad that lets you actually walk ...
I've tried cybershoes a couple years ago when they started their Kickstarter, those were neat
vivid ivy
there's also like this omni directional walking pad that lets you actually walk ...
I've tried cybershoes a couple years ago when they started their Kickstarter, those were neat
Valve is probably working on a v2 of the index 👀
Some really cool leaks and patents out there
void void
he guys -- just curious -- but when 1.17 comes out
how long after until paper will be ready?
wide chasm
We don't know
vivid ivy
No eta
wide chasm
We first will have to wait for Spigot 1.17
void void
shiiiiet
potent fossil
hard fork naio
void void
dang
vivid ivy
I'm way too much of a vr nerd, i got too excited people were talking about vr lmao
vestal jasper
You should be able to find out previous paper update dates and cross reference them with mc version uodates and get a rough plausible approximation
vivid ivy
Developing for vr in unity or unreal is also fairly straightforward btw 👀
potent fossil
i need pc component prices to head back to 2014 prices
worn ember
You should be able to find out previous paper update dates and cross reference t...
fake josh
limber knotBOT
just buy 2014 hardware, oh wait
worn ember
kek
ah yes, learning about async services, as if concurrency isnt my second nature at this point /s
ashen cliff
Dark, your stuff is concurrently broken and working. So that's good.
vocal delta
in the MC 1.17 was promised any improvements for game server performance
what do you think about it?
any announcements was published?
(sorry for my bad english)
vernal moth
As with any recent version, there is a trend for the better, but it's impossible to say until we apply all paper patches so come back in a few weeks
Also, nobody is promising anything
ashen cliff
1.17, should be about the same.
1.18 tho...
cunning raft
i mean we'll have to see
vernal moth
The code for 1.18 is in 1?17 krusic
cunning raft
they are at least waiting
ashen cliff
Yeah, but the bigger world isn't enabled by default.
vernal moth
And the point that they delayed that means they aren't happy with that either
ashen cliff
So I'm treating it as that.
potent fossil
so is jdk 16 fully out now?
cunning raft
has been ye
potent fossil
idk if it's my ide that's fucked then or what
vernal moth
It's been since March or smth
potent fossil
had to upgrade to gradle 7, minecraft-dev is half borked until i manually change its gradle, and hangar wont load at all in IJ
vernal moth
I stick with java 11 as default jdk
potent fossil
i mean 16 is lts now right? and we're all gonna have to use it in...6 days when 1.17 comes out?
vernal moth
16 isn't LTS, 17 is
potent fossil
gg
potent fossil
june 8th yes
vernal moth
Leaks!
potent fossil
yea but mini, when 1.17 comes we all gotta version bump anyway no?
vernal moth
For paper yeah
I hope that maven shade does a release till then
I mean, that's md5s problem anyways 😂
Can't wait for paperweight
potent fossil
🤷♂️
mint bone
How hard is it developing a simple plugin that limits daily playtime for me who has done much C# before?
I don't seem to be able to find a plugin that suits my needs
worn ember
biggest issue is getting familiar with bukkit api i'd say
and java syntax if you've never touched it before
mint bone
Well C# is a java clone
but better
Also, is there a specific paper api I should use or should I just use spigot?
mint bone
Is there some getting started page?
pastel pivot
although for messages e.g. it does matter, you can use adventure, so I'd use paper api ..
.g bukkit plugin tutorial
limber knotBOT
worn ember
ohnonono
mint bone
thank you, @pastel pivot
pastel pivot
I wouldn't use eclipse tho
mint bone
also, the server is going to be on 1.17, but I don't think there will be major differences in the api?
mint bone
I wouldn't use eclipse tho
already got IntelliJ
waxen panther
maven 😬
worn ember
https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/8327-minecraft-development great plugin too
when will they give up
pastel pivot
tbh I wouldn't want to use those plugins when I want to learn how to create my first plugin ..
worn ember
its all just boiler plate anyway
worn ember
only thing it does is set up your plugin.yml and add the oneanble and ondisable
mental meadow
I think it's pretty good for beginners because then they have maven/gradle instead of adding dependencies in their IDE
worn ember
oh yeah and maven/gradle set up might be a bit confusing, but tahts about it
mint bone
maven is just the nuget equivalent for java? like package management?
worn ember
yeah
waxen panther
pulsar wigeon
pastel pivot
Yeah I agree it's great but new people could get the impression that they somehow need this tools ..
worn ember
do they not?
mint bone
also, the server is going to be on 1.17, but I don't think there will be major d...
what about this?
worn ember
api wont change much
pastel pivot
it'll be fine
waxen panther
bukkit api
changing
worn ember
thats the whole point of api anyway, to stay (somewhat) consistent
shy arrow
happy pride month
vernal moth
🌈
twin lagoon
InitialHandler - overflow in packet detected! A string was longer than allowed
getting this after i updated waterfall with the latest geyser standalone
any idea why?
restive thicket
Yup.
twin lagoon
what do i do
restive thicket
You gotta either downgrade Waterfall to build 419 or use Floodgate 2.0.
restive thicket
The likely cause is that Floodgate 1.0's additions to the handshake packet are too big for a recent BungeeCord change. Floodgate 2.0's is small enough that it fits.