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[ashen cliff]

Bro!

[woven otter]

you know terraria has the best caves

[ashen cliff]

Don't talk 💩 about the caves bro!

[potent fossil]

although, i kinda missed a, b, and c. overdid d, and underdid e.

[woven otter]

whats wrong with you simple

[potent fossil]

i know ill get back on track

maybe hangar will be out by the time im kimple, for christmas and for

[vernal moth]

https://twitter.com/bananapixelsuk/status/1399723686400299027?s=19

Jessica (@bananapixelsuk)

super excited for brands to support Pride but only in places where it's popular with their customers !!

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Twitter · Jun 1, 2021, 1:45 PM

Kekw

Then again, it also make sense

Having a rainbow flag in those countries will get you killed

[magic river]

This is the same tweet for like 3 years now

[potent fossil]

I saw that

[ashen cliff]

What if we send Jessica to one of those regions? Maybe then would instantly realize why.

[magic river]

Plus, like, duh

Doing things that are popular with your customers (and either makes you money or doesn't cost any) is the point of a business

[golden gust]

What

[magic river]

I probably should have switched which part went in the parenthetical

[golden gust]

You're not here to shoot your business in the foot?

[potent fossil]

cat did you just wake up

[magic river]

Yeah that sounds about right

[golden gust]

I was, erm, scrolling in bed

[potent fossil]

good evening morning

[magic river]

Actually a lot of these companies do things like this even if they do hurt them with customers because not doing it would hurt them more with employees or potential employees

Someone has projected that they make more money running a pride logo and pissing off some customers than they would if they didn't do it and lost some employees

[ancient bolt]

it also is likely illegal in those countries to some degree, or could result in fines etc

[ashen cliff]

Fines.

Death.

[ancient bolt]

for a company

Not talking about an individual person here

[ashen cliff]

For the person who approved it.

[ancient bolt]

sure I suppose

Idk, I don't blame progress as a society on LGBT issues on companies for not updating their profile picture to a rainbow in countries that have a history of brutality and violence / laws against LGBT

[twin lagoon]

so you support lgbt

[mental meadow]

I don't support people who don't support LGBTQ

[ancient bolt]

!ban @chilly marsh Not supporting LGBT is not acceptable here

[thorny flicker]

:raised_hands: Banned GetRoasted#2414 (Not supporting LGBT is not acceptable here) [1 total infraction] -- DenWav#1989.

[mental meadow]

yes I too am an lgbtq

[wind geyser]

I don't want to start an argument, but LGBTQ people shouldn't be treated differently. After all, they're all humans. Edit: You can't change the way how they feel and you just have to accept it.

[golden gust]

bitch part of the alphabet mafia, don't cross her, she fuckin' cray, ask her therapist

[woven otter]

ahh yes another one banned

[mental meadow]

I'll kill you cat

with love

heart shaped throwing stars

[wispy blade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxlpDWItLPg

[magic river]

We've flipped things around, now the bigots are the ones who have to do so in silence

[wind geyser]

shurikens with hearts on them lol

[mental meadow]

this is my mood for june

[potent fossil]

[magic river]

[olive garden]

what does "not supporting LGBT" mean if I can (evidently) get banned for it? as clearly not having any issue with / hatred towards LGBT people is not enough, since that's what GetRoasted basically did as far as I can tell and they got banned

[limber knot]

it means saying things like "i dont support lgbt" :p

[austere ivy]

many thanks for the excellent image aurora, this one’s going in ma archives

[autumn shuttle]

How long does it usually take to update paper to a new version? with the approaching 1.17 update

[cunning raft]

13 years

[olive garden]

yeah, but support might mean different stuff to different people, it's a broad term

[mental meadow]

.eta

[limber knot]

Anyone requesting an ETA will be fed to goblins.

[static badge]

about 5 mins give or take a few months

[limber knot]

should be ready by 28 October, 1872

[potent fossil]

well it seems like DenWav made it clear. not supporting LGBT is not acceptable here. what's unclear? the dude said he didnt support LGBT.

[olive garden]

.

[ancient bolt]

Yeah if you don't want to get banned just don't say shit about how you don't support marginalized groups of people

[cunning raft]

or even if you don't greatest thing you could possibly do is shut up :DDDDD

can't ban you if you don't say anything

[ancient bolt]

that's not acceptable rhetoric here and I'm uninterested in your complaints if you feel that is unfair

[olive garden]

[ancient bolt]

There's plenty of places you can go that will happily let you say whatever the fuck you want, just not here

[olive garden]

well no one is forcing you to reply

[wind geyser]

ok, so what happens if you say that you support the lgbtq community, but a staff member reads it took quickly and bans you for it?

[potent fossil]

[olive garden]

you get unbanned after submitting a thing

[ancient bolt]

I can't remember a single time a mistaken ban like that has ever happened

but if it did, yeah just submit a ban appeal and explain the mistake?

[mental meadow]

ok, so how about we stop this discussion? People that are mad about the rainbow can either leave or shut up, and that's the end of the discussion

[olive garden]

who made it btw?

[wind geyser]

fine with me

[olive garden]

cause it's awesome

[wind geyser]

I like the new logo also

[mental meadow]

I made the still image, jroy did the animation

[wind geyser]

👏 👏 👏

[olive garden]

well I would say good job but he's jroy, so...

[wispy blade]

BRUH

[wispy blade]

project ozone deleted my inventory

[tardy lynx]

:O

[woven otter]

or just take it to #politics

[magic river]

[wide chasm]

Don't

[mental meadow]

Na nothing to do with politics, not wanted in this discord, no matter which channel

[wind geyser]

It would be cool if the background tiles also changed colors just like the main logo if that makes any sense

[ancient bolt]

probably wouldn't render very well in a small icon

[wind geyser]

I guess, but you never know unless you try

[tardy lynx]

more rainbows

[ancient bolt]

even as it is on a 4k screen I'm looking at it now and discord smushes all of them down into a smear of color

[wind geyser]

I like your pfp @tardy lynx

the Dark Side of the Moon album from Pink Floyd

[tardy lynx]

yes

[mental meadow]

I should make a collection with the minecraft pride discord icons I made

[wind geyser]

good band

[ancient bolt]

Did you make the kyori one too?

[mental meadow]

Kyori, Velocity, Paper, Enginehub, IntellectualSites, and the discord from vic that I don't know the name of

[ancient bolt]

Can you make an mcdev one? https://github.com/minecraft-dev/minecraftdev.org/blob/master/assets/icon.svg

[mental meadow]

any wishes on how to do it? My creativity is basically not existing, so if you have any ideas it will probably look better than if I just wing it 😄

[vernal moth]

Aurora, your resident rainbow flag expert 😂

[ancient bolt]

uh I'm surprised I came up with the logo originally (even considering how it's just a blue crafting table)

[remote wasp]

paper's new logo is cool

[ancient bolt]

maybe diagonal stripes?

idk tbh

whatever looks reasonable I guess

[mental meadow]

I would do something similar to quilt but thats a lot of work

[ancient bolt]

I could see if I could come up with something. I'd probably just take the flag and use the blue color as a mask

[mental meadow]

I'll try something as soon as photoshop stops bitching

[ancient bolt]

lol yeah I only have gimp. should be good enough for this job but I'm no expert

[wind geyser]

🏴‍☠️

lol

[mental meadow]

No I actually pay for it, which is worse if you ask me

[wind geyser]

I find it idiotic for paying a monthy subscription to use some types of software

[remote wasp]

[mental meadow]

yeah but sadly I do need to use it quite often

[remote wasp]

🌮

[ancient bolt]

subscriptions are fine imo if it's one of those things where you always get the latest version, but only as long as the option to buy a single version for a reasonable price still exists

[golden gust]

profit maximisation and well, devs gotta be paid

[mental meadow]

and I haven't found any good alternative with the same features as Acrobat Pro

[wind geyser]

VPNs get an exception since you can't match a free option with a paid option.

[golden gust]

Then again, the way some companies work with it is a darn PITA

[remote wasp]

❤️ 🌮

[ancient bolt]

The old model of charging for each new version just doesn't work anymore, people aren't willing to pay full (or discounted) price just for the newer version like they used to

[wind geyser]

It would be cool if we could get millions of people to boycott adobe

[golden gust]

good luck

[wind geyser]

It's not gonna happen, but it would be cool

[golden gust]

There is no real competator to many of their products, especially on the enterprise stage

[wind geyser]

I'm pretty happy with Sony Vegas and Gimp and Paint.NET

tried using premiere pro and I hated it

[ancient bolt]

So the problem is, hope do you continue to make money if millions of customers purchased it once and haven't paid anything since? Especially considering by nature they will over time take up more and more customer support resources

[wind geyser]

if they put a large price on it, then they could make that money in no time

[golden gust]

adobe software will often have much more powerful features and are often used to back the stacks of stuff like rendering farms, industry standard formats, etc, etc

large price tag puts people off buying upgrades

[remote wasp]

did waterfall got patched against memory overload exploit?

[wind geyser]

I just find that it's idiotic that you have to pay a subscription to use a photo editor and a video editor

[ancient bolt]

So a subscription model has, for better or worse, seemed to be the middle ground customers are willing to go with

[potent fossil]

add in OTA updates and push broken code and derive most of your profit off repair services

looks at mcdonalds ice cream machines

[golden gust]

waterfalls been patched against many thing, I can't patch stuff people provide no info for

[ancient bolt]

I mean, they are professional tools that people's entire careers are built on

It's not like they are just toys

[wind geyser]

Sony vegas pro is a professional tool and they charge a one time fee for their products

[remote wasp]

hmm, i see that some server crashing tools provide a exploit called waterfallcrasher which apparently caused waterfall to fill servers ram up

[golden gust]

I don't see much demand for that from industry postings

adobe pretty much has the market cornered

[mighty storm]

premiere pro's the best editor I've used tbh. most powerful by far. worth the price? eh maybe

isnt it like $60/mo for their entire product line anyway

[wind geyser]

$720 a year for their products

[golden gust]

I mean, if you're working for a company, the company is generally paying for it

[potent fossil]

i mean basically i see the logic in the subscription service but i miss the one time fee it used to be because im poor

[mighty storm]

yeah that isnt bad

[golden gust]

Like, that's a small fraction of your yearly wage

[wind geyser]

I'd like to have both options tbh

[golden gust]

can't you pay for a year in advance?

[mental meadow]

Thing is, more people get your product if you sell it for 20$/month instead of 600$/one time

[potent fossil]

this rivals premiere pro for free https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/

[mental meadow]

yea you can, that's what I do

[golden gust]

I mean, it would basically be the same thing but you don't keep it at the end

[wind geyser]

I think they had it at one point, but people still went for the subscription

[wind geyser]

terrible

[wind geyser]

I used it

[golden gust]

because you get the updates

software moves fast these days

[wind geyser]

and it crashed more times than Sony Vegas has in one day

[golden gust]

people don't got time to be sitting around waiting for bug fixes or improvements and features

Adobes software is kinda known for being unstable as all shit in some setups

[mighty storm]

yeah lol

[wind geyser]

sony vegas crashes about 1-2 times for me while DaVinci Resolve crashes like 8-12 times in one day

[mental meadow]

Like I have not that big of an issue with paying 30$ a month for 3 years now, but if I would have to pay like 600$ on the spot for it that would be more of an issue

so in the end it's psychology as well

[mighty storm]

average windows experience

[wind geyser]

I literally had to create a batch script to force close DaVinci resolve on my laptop cause I couldn't take it

every time it would lock up, i'd just click the batch script

I don't use Resolve anymore, but I still have the script on my pc lmao

pretty easy ngl

all I had to do was taskkill /f /im resolve.exe

I also don't like how autosave isn't enabled by default and it automatically turns off after you update the software

when you manually turned it on before

I literally used it for about 3 years and I couldn't handle the constant crashing anymore.

I've lost many hours of work because of it crashing

yet with Vegas, I don't lose my work when it crashes

thanks to autosave and the good backup solution

[potent fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-ted2-ted2gifs-amaze-gif-4869672

[wispy blade]

@wind geyser it's the reason i don't use resolve anymore

it crashed like 10 times in an hour when i was crunching until midnight to finish a video assignment

[potent fossil]

[wind geyser]

It’s super annoying

I was even on the latest update

[wispy blade]

imagine your software is unstable and you don't enable autosaving

[wind geyser]

Yes, but it disables when you update the software

And then I forget to turn it back on

[restive saffron]

is paper a company?

or is it owned by a company?

[worn ember]

idm adobe stuff but creative cloud can fuck right off

[wide chasm]

No, it's a non profit organization

[worn ember]

that shit is adware at this point

[wind geyser]

No, it’s made from trees ;)

[worn ember]

who owns the trees?

[wind geyser]

Good question

The ground

;)

[worn ember]

wtf, then its illegal

paper contributing to illegal deforestation

[wind geyser]

LOL

why is this called paper?

I’m actually curious now

[worn ember]

originally it was paperspigot, but idk where that came from

[olive garden]

maybe because it's "lightweight"

[wispy blade]

^

[olive garden]

as in less demanding

[wind geyser]

That’s what I was thinking

But I wasn’t sure

[worn ember]

or cuz its so unstable cuz it starts to leak when you put any pressure on it

[brave radish]

the whole idea of a "Paper Spigot" doesn't really make sense though

[golden gust]

devs

naming stuff

kek

[brave radish]

speaking of

[wind geyser]

You have a point, but it’s less wordy than lightweight

[brave radish]

I have a plugin to make better cats. It's currently named "BetterCats." ideas?

[worn ember]

Perfect name

[golden gust]

CatAssholifier

[woven otter]

CatsBetter

[worn ember]

i literally have a mod in the works called BetterChat

[wind geyser]

DogsBetter ;)

[worn ember]

perfect logic

[woven otter]

BestCats

[wind geyser]

Lol

[worn ember]

tbh making your name describe the product is not a bad thing

[olive garden]

BetterThanWolves

[brave radish]

is that the one you were working with GL on to add images in chat?

[warm anchor]

BestestChat

[worn ember]

at least you know what it does unlike "Cloud, Adventure, Cobalt" etc

[warm anchor]

There. No charge. That’s literally an upgrade to your plugin name

[golden gust]

LaggyCatInducer

[wind geyser]

I love cats, but I can’t have one since my cousin is allergic to them :(

[worn ember]

put your cousin on the street?

[golden gust]

sounds like your cousins problem

^

[worn ember]

tbh we have 3 cats and my moms allergic lol

[brave radish]

oof

[olive garden]

😐

[brave radish]

does she like cats anyway?

[worn ember]

dont think she cares much about them

shes also alergic to rabbits, so ofc we had rabbits too

[olive garden]

did your father buy a cat every time your parents argued?

[worn ember]

nah

they're not allowed inside so it doesnt really matter much for my mom

[warm anchor]

||I mean your mom don’t care about you either ||

[brave radish]

so mean DED

[warm anchor]

[worn ember]

wym mean? they literally have a whole barn for themself

[olive garden]

are your horses allowed inside though?

[worn ember]

they dont fit through the door

[olive garden]

what about goats then?

[worn ember]

nah

[ancient bolt]

thanks to @mental meadow mcdev is now woke along with the rest of minecraft

[worn ember]

only the dogs are allowed inside lol

[brave radish]

oh I thought you were one of those people that buys a cat and then just puts it in the backyard with food and now has no clear reason to even own a cat

[warm anchor]

[worn ember]

ok but did you fix the crashes

[worn ember]

their sole purpose is to catch rats and mice

[ashen cliff]

Avg Slav Discord: https://posili.me/i/2021-06-01_20-20-36.png /s

[worn ember]

i see server 3 and 4 are very original

[ashen cliff]

Based Deadcords.

[mental meadow]

there we go https://imgur.com/a/qlc8a9Y

[wraith trail]

Kyori looks great

[ancient bolt]

mcdev is probably too noisy, but that's just a byproduct of my already noisy logo to being with...

it'll be fine for a month ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[mental meadow]

kyori also took the longest time

"long" as in less than 10 minutes, but still longer than the others

[magic river]

lol youtube just recommended https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh5WHRKkq0k to me

[autumn knot]

Gayper > Paper

[ancient bolt]

@magic river is officially a beginner at minecraft, according to google

[mental meadow]

true

[supple briar]

happy gay dayys

[limber knot]

the paper one looks strange without the animation

[supple briar]

[mental meadow]

[golden gust]

GIFs are fun, basically

[mental meadow]

gifs suck

[supple briar]

https://tenor.com/view/hulk-hogan-nodding-nod-yes-yup-gif-13973219

[ancient bolt]

it's...odd that animated server icons only play when you mouse over them

[supple briar]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-what-wut-crazy-gif-20900490

[limber knot]

for the time they were invented in they were pretty awesome

[mental meadow]

this is my try

[supple briar]

ooh

[limber knot]

imo they should play at least one cycle when clicking

[mental meadow]

nice borders I know

[supple briar]

What did you use to do this?

[brave radish]

would you rather see the paper plane continuously flying out the corner of your eye?

[limber knot]

but that's not the rainbow one...

[mental meadow]

the gif or the colors?

[ancient bolt]

I mean I guess loads of server icon animations constantly playing wouldn't be good either

[limber knot]

the gif

[ancient bolt]

stack of papers in the paper logo is so small hard to see

the stack of papers has pride colors though

[limber knot]

also the rainbow stack is always there

[wispy blade]

on mobile it plays continuously which is the stupid part :)

[ancient bolt]

in fairness on mobile it's only visible when the server list is open

[brave radish]

am I the only one that uses Discord from a web browser?

[golden gust]

to be fair, discord can completely shit itself in some cases

[ancient bolt]

yes

[golden gust]

so, am kinda glad they're not animated 24/7

[warm anchor]

What’s wrong with you zombiechicken

[mental meadow]

I changed the colors with Illustrator because editing svgs is best in that. I tried editing the gif in Photoshop, GIMP and Illustrator, which all didn't work, the one I just posted was made with imagemagick just straight up replacing the colors (that's why it looks so awful because the gif has such a bad resolution) and the current icon was made by Jroy

[ancient bolt]

to be fair, discord is a pile of trash javascript which is only saved by decent enough styling to look reasonable most of the time

[golden gust]

Dare you to go into #821794808607146065

[ancient bolt]

I don't even know what I'm looking at when I see that tbh

just a bunch of @lucid edge

[mental meadow]

check the pins in batcave, theres an explanation

[ancient bolt]

i know what the channel is for I just don't get what the point of listing all of the banned users are

like I don't need to know the ID for every raid bot ever banned on discord

[worn ember]

anti aliasing, never heard of it

[golden gust]

it's the raid bot banning stuff, I just love how much the FPS drops when you accidently click in there

[ancient bolt]

lol yeah too many <div>s I guess

[worn ember]

its like when opening reddit

[ancient bolt]

piles of <div>s is the sign of a shitty, but modern, web developer

what are these semantically meaningful HTML tags?

fuck that, we'll just use <div> for everything

[golden gust]

it's part of what I hate about these modern stacks

[worn ember]

i'll basically never use a div unless i cant find anything else for it

[ancient bolt]

meanwhile screen readers for the blind and other accessibility systems shit themselves trying to load any modern website because it can't parse the website correctly without semantically meaningful structure

[mental meadow]

divs are epic

[golden gust]

Like, I could probably do with picking up these new stacks just to be able to work on them, but, like, the entire tooling is fucking ass and the output is often a magical rabbit hole of horrors

I also hate how inaccessible they are

[worn ember]

not writing your own html???

[golden gust]

Like, my eyes are fucking horrible to the degree that I can't use light mode because i have to dim the screen down so far that I struggle to read it

[worn ember]

you monster cat

[magic river]

I don't write HTML anymore, only JSX

[ancient bolt]

my SO's last task on her project was to rebuilt the system nav bar, and it had all these design requirements that made accessibility basically impossible, with the "must also be accessible" requirement tacked on at the end

[golden gust]

But, then light mode has stupid shit like horrible highlighting colors which detracks from readability to me

[ancient bolt]

she did her best but it's just not possible to make things tabbable with the design she was given

[golden gust]

Like, most days I'm okay but if I'm having a really bad day the highlight makes it almost unreadable

[worn ember]

half our government sites fail the accessibility requirements DenWav, its horrible

[ancient bolt]

what kills me is how it's really that hard to make shit accessible, there's lots of tools to help you do it

[golden gust]

Like, it's the modern plague of web stuff is that most of the people doing web stuff these days really have little idea of how to do web stuff

[ancient bolt]

you just have to not have a design which sucks ass

and take a little bit of extra time to make sure you do it right

[worn ember]

thing is, people care more about looks than functionality

[golden gust]

The tools deal with most of the crap in such a groteseque way that getting the final output to be useful across the board is just a headache

[ancient bolt]

this discussion reminds me of the birth and death of javascript

for the uninitiated https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/the-birth-and-death-of-javascript

[worn ember]

js death? what universe do they live in lol

[ancient bolt]

watch the talk

it's fantastic

[worn ember]

half an hour pepehands

[magic river]

yavascript

[ancient bolt]

don't spoil it

there's one line that in it which really rings true, which is we're in the position we're in due to 2 facts that can't be changed:

1. Javascript is terrible
2. We don't have any other options

so all of the tooling and systems and libraries etc etc etc around everything to do with the web is trying to reconcile those 2 things

[magic river]

tldr Rust + WASM

[brave radish]

*kotlin

[magic river]

No really, the video is about Rust

[ancient bolt]

I don't think rust is ever mentioned in the video

WASM is

idk been a long time since I watched it

[worn ember]

blazor compiles to WASM so at least i dont have to deal with it anymore

[magic river]

WASM isn't actually mentioned either

[ancient bolt]

lol yeah

-ring 0 protection overhead +VM segregation overhead == evens out

[magic river]

4% faster

[ancient bolt]

essentially the gist of the talk

I can't imagine that it's easier to optimize VM segregation instead of context switching though

[magic river]

Those numbers are based on Singularity

[ancient bolt]

im not familiar with that

[magic river]

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/osr2007_rethinkingsoftwarestack.pdf

[ancient bolt]

i don't dispute the calculations, I just feel like if you're going to fix one, making context switching more efficient seems like the better / more reasonable thing to focus on

[magic river]

The slowdown measured by them (ctrl-f "unsafe code tax") was 6.3% to 37.7%

iirc the lower bound is with a still wildly unsafe setup but paying TLB costs aka having hardware virtual memory

So just having virtual memory be a thing costs 6.3%

[ancient bolt]

so that would still cost the same amount with a VM managing the memory, that's just shifting the problem

now for sure having VM memory management sitting on top of virtual memory isn't great

[worn ember]

lmao this is great

[ancient bolt]

everyone should watch it

[magic river]

Ah yes, 2020-2025, wartime

[elfin fern]

the new server icon looks great!

[magic river]

Since this video came out Spectre happened and now we aren't sure if software isolation is even possible

That's why even Firefox is moving to one process per domain (more or less) instead of just doing one per core for scalability

[waxen panther]

hi there

[olive marlin]

Be a web server project

Be unable to configure web server for your website properly
https://caddyserver.com/docs/realip

[worn ember]

i was using some web framework and their logo still pointed to their old domain

forgot what it was tho

[magic river]

500 error

[olive marlin]

Ugh, they hardcode CF IPs, instead of retrieving them dynamically: https://github.com/kirsch33/realip/blob/master/module.go#L27-L53
TBH not sure how often they change, I had this running in cron for my nginx setup:

#!/usr/bin/env bash
set -euo pipefail
{
  for ver in v4 v6; do
    curl -s https://www.cloudflare.com/ips-${ver}
  done | while read -r ip; do printf 'set_real_ip_from %s;\n' "${ip}"; done
  printf '\nreal_ip_header CF-Connecting-IP;\n'
} >| "${CONFIG_PATH}/cf.conf"

It feels like Caddy deleted half of their subpages. A lot of links I find end up with a 500 and an empty page.

Also whole blog seems to be gone.

[magic river]

They did just do a major release, I think like a month or two ago?

[olive marlin]

They did.

[potent fossil]

cod: warzone is 200gb wtf

[magic river]

...or maybe it was a year ago

[golden gust]

CF updates their IPs once in a blue moon and generally anounce it

[olive marlin]

And many extra features you can select on the download page won't compile.

[golden gust]

(like, weeks before they're actually put into circulation)

But, oof

[magic river]

Listen 2020 wasn't real, may 4 2020 was just a few weeks ago

[ashen cliff]

I don't get why people delete old documentation without mentioning a new way of doing it.
I remember working with some Graph JS thing, legit couldn't get something working, after like 3 hours I figured out they removed it in 3.0 without a replacement.

[olive marlin]

Try for example pressing Download on this: https://caddyserver.com/download?package=github.com%2Fcaddyserver%2Fnginx-adapter

They did a breaking change after releasing v2, which causes that plugin to no longer compile.

[ashen cliff]

Oh I also love people who move their wiki from Github to a custom website and kill the website after 1 year. All docs instantly lost.

[ivory radish]

Yeah sad to see that happen a lot

[magic river]

You mean in 2.4 where they removed logfmt which they describe as broken anyway and being warned about for a while?

I guess they don't follow semver

[olive marlin]

Seemed to get broken earlier than 2.4? https://github.com/caddyserver/nginx-adapter/commit/50635ac4cf58f1a0f7d6f8a8ae059c3681fc4088#diff-33ef32bf6c23acb95f5902d7097b7a1d5128ca061167ec0716715b0b9eeaa5f6R6

But yeah, something like that.

[ivory radish]

Can caches.default be undefined in a Cloudflare Worker?

[red nimbus]

anyone know if NametagEdit API still works? Won't resolve on Maven

[olive marlin]

Oh my god. 50 out of 52 commits in this repo were made with GH web editor: https://github.com/kirsch33/realip/commits/master

[ashen cliff]

Run.

Just start running away bro.

[olive marlin]

Maybe I should rewrite my Caddy back to NGINX and traefik?

[waxen panther]

[olive marlin]

At least I won't have to have custom image for Caddy, since it comes with almost no features.

[ashen cliff]

Ask me again why I still use Apache2.

[olive marlin]

@waxen panther You are based.

[waxen panther]

woa

[warm anchor]

[waxen panther]

thank you

[brave radish]

for anyone who still plays the game,
3599962557505790610
is a really nice seed

[waxen panther]

people play minecraft?

[warm anchor]

Wtf!

[woven otter]

yes but who asked

[magic river]

[viral hornet]

T O X I C

[waxen panther]

😬

[wispy blade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqFGbeofHUw

[waxen panther]

he got me 🤣 😂 🤣 😂 🤣 😂

[viral hornet]

he sure did

[warm anchor]

Wow brocco he totally owns you right there! /s

[waxen panther]

me when im owned epically by chad minecraft player

[ashen cliff]

At least they didn't kick him out.

[wispy blade]

how old are you my dude

[cunning raft]

hey dumb fuck

[waxen panther]

ok i get but you can you stop pinging me

[cunning raft]

@waxen panther

[waxen panther]

im tryna do stuff

@cunning raft

jroy can xoxo

[viral hornet]

please elaborate what this means

where does wet come into this

[warm anchor]

Idk it’s hard to pick words he’s still young @viral hornet

[ashen cliff]

Camm you should know. As a proud Shadbase member.

[viral hornet]

As a proud Shadbase member.

[ashen cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/mutual-servers-shadbase-shadman-its-always-sunny-in-philedelphia-gif-19599708

[viral hornet]

LOLLLLL

Why is that a gif

[warm anchor]

Very hot

[viral hornet]

I don't understand what Shadbase is

[waxen panther]

lol

camm lacks critical information

[magic river]

It's probably related to "wet behind the ears" aka very young

[viral hornet]

hello sare no toxicity in paper general thank you

[waxen panther]

no its what chavs say in england, it's barely english just ignore it 😁

[magic river]

Poor guy is losing his "who can get banned the fastest" competition

[warm anchor]

@cunning raft I think the kid has though of fun

[magic river]

He can't even get banned right, I kind of feel sorry for him

[worn ember]

🍿

[warm anchor]

[viral hornet]

sare - not very wholesome

[warm anchor]

I forgot it’s officially summer

[cunning raft]

!ban 550804974712520726 terrible troll, please be better next time

[thorny flicker]

:raised_hands: Banned sare#9878 (terrible troll, please be better next time) [1 total infraction] -- Joshie#0001.

[warm anchor]

Kids out this week iirc

[viral hornet]

Aww

[waxen panther]

aww jroy is protecting me

i knew he cared

[viral hornet]

I was hoping for their redemption

😔

[worn ember]

boring

[warm anchor]

Coz I drove by sxhoool today and there was no bus so I assume they all out of school

[golden gust]

I miss the days of good trolls 😦

[mental meadow]

Fuck you Cat

[cunning raft]

where are these high effort trolls

[waxen panther]

[viral hornet]

I miss the old days of electroniccat

who is zzzCat

[mental meadow]

I'd hug a broccolai

[brave radish]

There was an interesting troll here a few days ago; forget who it was though

[warm anchor]

Careful what you wish for. Cat maybe into it

[waxen panther]

[golden gust]

Camm, I'm sorry, i can't hear you over that dick in your mouth

[worn ember]

gotta play the slow game, get a few infractions every few weeks, to keep them on their toes but not get banned

its an art

[golden gust]

My place or yours?

[warm anchor]

I don’t think anyone can possibly beat Oskar on his record

[waxen panther]

oskar (18 infractions)

[worn ember]

wasnt he unbanned again?

[viral hornet]

Then take it out ?

[golden gust]

Fiiiine

[cunning raft]

then rebanned

[warm anchor]

Lol

[worn ember]

nono

after that

[limber knot]

jesus

[cunning raft]

but he claims to have an alt here so 👋 oskar

[woven otter]

what was the message

[warm anchor]

Tfw Jroy killed Oskar 3 times

[waxen panther]

Hey oskar 😬

[viral hornet]

dunno something toxic duck

[worn ember]

inb4 it was the footfetish guy

or whatever his name was

[warm anchor]

They don’t type that similar

[viral hornet]

something about brocc's virginity

[waxen panther]

gottem

[warm anchor]

SuckMyFoot

[woven otter]

you all suck

[warm anchor]

Was the name

[worn ember]

yes

[worn ember]

was he wrong tho

[warm anchor]

Brocco what you did

[limber knot]

I absolutely hate that person

[waxen panther]

yes

😎

[warm anchor]

Why are there people fighting you all the time!

[viral hornet]

yes

[waxen panther]

people are jealous

[worn ember]

people hate weebs

[waxen panther]

of my incredible avatar

[viral hornet]

brocc has had a minecraft wife lol ?

[waxen panther]

HAS

😡

[viral hornet]

you can't be a virgin with a minecraft wife smh

HEY

[woven otter]

what was the irc log link

i never remember it

[viral hornet]

I HAVEN'T HEARD OF HER IN AGES

[waxen panther]

one second .

[magic river]

🥦 🤢 💀 ☠️ ⚰ ⚱

[brave radish]

https://korobi.vq.lc/network/esper/channel/paper/logs/

[woven otter]

ty

[waxen panther]

ok she's not online

[viral hornet]

[waxen panther]

but later .

[ancient bolt]

"you wouldn't know her, she goes to a different school"

[waxen panther]

[warm anchor]

Time to ask Bardy about brocco

[waxen panther]

ah yes my biggest fan

bardy

[cunning raft]

I honestly think the world would be a better place without people like ‘broccolai’ in it though

[warm anchor]

Lmaooo

[viral hornet]

I mean

[waxen panther]

I honestly think the world would be a better place without people like ‘Broccolai’ in it though

[warm anchor]

I saw it camm

[viral hornet]

heh

[woven otter]

oh that's just sad

[viral hornet]

omg don't

[warm anchor]

It was fast but I am faster

[mental meadow]

Broccolai is too epic for all the haters

[viral hornet]

too early in the morning for me to be anGRY

[waxen panther]

😎

[viral hornet]

[vestal jasper]

I honestly think the world would be a better place without people like @waxen panther in it though

[woven otter]

getting banned for saying "v*rgin" sad guy sad guy

[viral hornet]

& he also went on to talk shit about kash

[waxen panther]

[viral hornet]

holy biggest omegalul

[warm anchor]

He was insulting people without a brain

Totally not me!

[waxen panther]

i can insult you if you want eternity

[warm anchor]

😳

[waxen panther]

[warm anchor]

[ashen cliff]

I'm insulted by you just being here.

[warm anchor]

Wow!

[woven otter]

remove the /s

[ashen cliff]

Done bro.

[woven otter]

perfect

[magic river]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkPL5ctFTK4

[warm anchor]

Discord

[cunning raft]

#paper-help

[vernal moth]

Do stages support video yet?

Would be really cool to have that for 1.17

Else our locked voice channel will have to do, lol

[mossy vessel]

No(t yet)

[warm anchor]

Not yet

Not even supporting music bots

You have to manually drag the bot into the channel and hope the bot isn’t too unhappy about it

[ancient bolt]

tell them to hurry it up and roll that out before <1.17 release date redacted>

[warm anchor]

True

That will actually be so helpful

No more random dude coughing, cats meowing or || Aikar yelling at his dog ||

[worn ember]

mute them lol

shows ur a dota noob

first thing any pro does is mute entire team

[warm anchor]

I am literally untiltable

Wdym ded

[worn ember]

same, but it clogs my screen if they go "noob learn to stun" "omg only 3man bh"

kekw

and then they start drawing on the minimap

[warm anchor]

[worn ember]

wtf 1.4k gpm

getting boosted much

i dont even get that much on alch

[warm anchor]

This is turbo

No way in hell I will build deso on CM ded wtf

[worn ember]

lmao

didnt really check items

makes sense now

turbo pleb

[true canyon]

Where's this ugly display from?

[wispy blade]

joe

[worn ember]

Yuri

[waxen panther]

are u insulting

island of eternity

😡

[wispy blade]

yu really think i'd fall for a deez nuts joke

[waxen panther]

@static badge

[cunning raft]

paper 1.0 joke

[waxen panther]

hei

[worn ember]

its not a deez nuts joke but i cant say it anyway

i'm sure jroy would yeet me at any opportunity lul

[true canyon]

Much prettier

[worn ember]

ingame ui still the purtiest

[worn ember]

why you top all game lul

or afk base

[ancient bolt]

aram is better

[true canyon]

Might just be the first 10 minutes.

[waxen panther]

does dota have aram?

[ancient bolt]

idk

[waxen panther]

league better anyway

[ancient bolt]

i just find LoL so boring

[waxen panther]

[upbeat falcon]

Aram - Wikipedia

https://michaelaram.com/
Michael's Newest Additions. Spring 2021 · AtelierAtelier. HIGHLIGHTS. New Arrivals · Michael Aram, The Artist · Migrations Sculpture · Eternity Sculpture · Special Editions.

Requested by DarkEyeDragon#5583 - aram - result 2 of 8

[ancient bolt]

aram makes it at least a little bit less boring

[worn ember]

ok then

[waxen panther]

the first result was correct

idk why you changed it

smh

[upbeat falcon]

truth | Definition, Importance, Theories, & Facts | Britannica

https://www.britannica.com/topic/truth-philosophy-and-logic
Truth is the property of being in accord with fact or reality. In everyday language, truth is typically ascribed to things that aim to represent reality or otherwise correspond to it, such as beliefs, propositions, and declarative sentences.

Requested by DenWav#1989 - what is truth - result 1 of 10

[true canyon]

lookat dem wards

[worn ember]

hmmm

only defensive wards

wait, are you radiant or dire?

[true canyon]

fancy

[magic river]

I don't think dota 2 has an official aram but it does have a random spawn thing and people usually play that mode going only middle

[fresh talon]

hol up why is the logo all fugged up

[magic river]

.pride

[limber knot]

June is LGBTQ Pride Month! That is why there are rainbows right now. Join the celebration! See more: https://nationaltoday.com/pride-month/

[fresh talon]

bruh

[true canyon]

dang

[ancient bolt]

can someone ban this mbaxter guy for spamming

[cunning raft]

scheduled for the next ban wave

[ancient bolt]

thanks

[true canyon]

🌊

[merry talon]

suddenly my entire discord server list is rainbowified

[mental meadow]

As it should be

I take full blame

[ancient bolt]

why have a screen capable of producting 16 million colors if we aren't going to use them?

[void void]

My pronouns is Among/Us #pridemonth🏳️‍🌈

[ancient bolt]

Does anyone actually still play that game anymore?

[cunning raft]

o7

[golden gust]

I see tiktok's playing it

I never got into it though, so 🤷‍♂️

[mental meadow]

Haha joke pronouns so funny very creative

[ancient bolt]

it was fun during quarantine because it was the first personal interaction I had outside of work in like 6 months

[wispy blade]

only thing keeping among us alive is mods and custom gamemodes

tbh

[ancient bolt]

mfw it has mods now?

[cunning raft]

not official

but ye

[wispy blade]

yeo

[mental meadow]

They do different things

[ashen cliff]

/wg profile -p 10

Good old days.

[mental meadow]

Unless spark added some new features in the last few days

[olive marlin]

They are still different things.

[ashen cliff]

Very cool.

[ancient bolt]

I know nothing about Spark. How does it operate - through an agent?

An agent is the only reasonable alternative approach to what timings does

[mental meadow]

https://github.com/lucko/spark

[golden gust]

issue is accessability

sure, spark covers a lot more, but, your average server owner is not generally capable of reading these types of reports

[ashen cliff]

Big bar = Problem.

Small bar = No problem.

Ez.

[golden gust]

timings defo has some flaws and I really do wish that there was a way to clean up timings a bit

e.g. if we where able to have native code we could improve timings cost a bit

[waxen panther]

🥲

[golden gust]

timings defo needs a bit more love than it's been given, the UI is defo in need of lots of love, it's just getting people to actually work on it which is not really a thing

[ancient bolt]

the average user can't understand timings either

so I don't think that's a great argument

[ashen cliff]

Aren't timings just used for flexing?

[merry talon]

we only need 255

[ashen cliff]

Only ever used them for that.

[ancient bolt]

An agent-based approach to profiling is generally better imo

if we removed one the other would need to be built-in though. Not going to remove timings just to tell people to install another plugin instead

[worn ember]

ive seen worse ui tbh, its not that horrible

[ancient bolt]

I will say if people aren't willing to contribute to timings (as seems to be the case) then the argument for keeping it instead of another system that people are willing to contribute to gets weaker as time passes

[worn ember]

timings is magic for me, so couldnt even contribute if i wanted to xD

[golden gust]

I mean, it's designed to be a bit more user friendly but I think that the way the timings UI works is massively flawed

Like, it tries to do stupid things like "promote" heavy stuff up the tree to make them stand out more

but, it creates a lot of confusion if you're not aware of that behavior

[twin lagoon]

timings

[worn ember]

i mean, seems kinda the point of timings tho?

[twin lagoon]

spark my beloved

[golden gust]

replacing timings would be nice but one thing I kinda miss with spark and such is context

[worn ember]

timings v3 wen

[golden gust]

the fact that spark and tools don't really represent ticks too well and doesn't let you really dig into stuff for me brings back a lot of the failings of timings v1

[worn ember]

isnt spark for short bursts anyway?

[twin lagoon]

the one thing i like about spark the most

[ashen cliff]

Bro.

[twin lagoon]

you can just sample a short period of time

[ashen cliff]

I left Spark running for 3 days on my Bungee server.

WHY TF AM I RUNNING OUT OF RAM?

[worn ember]

like you're not really getting the benefit of averaging out values, as something could just be taking up a lot of cpu time in the time you run it

[ashen cliff]

Async bro.

[worn ember]

wat?

[wide chasm]

Bro! Async best

[ashen cliff]

Async profiling.

[wispy blade]

A server owner left Spark running on their server for 3 days. This is what happened to their RAM.

gotta make it the chubbyemu clickbait

[worn ember]

no i mean just a coincidental chunk gen taking a lot of cpu time.

then people be like "how fix chunk gen" when its literally just that one time its happening

[brave radish]

so can someone explain to me how pregenerating worlds is done? my question is like how far out does it generate?

[golden gust]

as far as you tell it to

you don't pregen the "entire" world

entire world is like 30mill radius or something

[worn ember]

yes

chunky boi

[ashen cliff]

Bro! Entire world or nothing bro.

Google Drive can handle it.

[worn ember]

well if your wb is set to 100, 100 is your entire world

[brave radish]

true

[worn ember]

do chunks actually stop generating behind the wb? never tested that

[brave radish]

ok so then... wouldn't that make players have to wander out forever to get any new features?

[worn ember]

yes

pro's and cons of pregenning

[brave radish]

hmm

[golden gust]

stop generating? no

[worn ember]

pro: you'll have the chunks in its current state
con: you'll have the chunks in its current state

[golden gust]

just, ig nothing touches them they shouldn't be called for and so shouldn't be generated/loaded

[worn ember]

true

[golden gust]

Like, people can get out of even the vanilla world border

iirc that's only enforced on the client

[worn ember]

can tp out

but u deded

unless you're in creative

[ashen cliff]

But you get killed.

[worn ember]

loved getting insta killed when rtping

[brave radish]

Rainbow Yatopia
https://cdn.discordapp.com/icons/743126646617407649/f1aab2edb77f99cfc0414b16ea171867.png

[worn ember]

lmao

[ashen cliff]

Why are they not the same width?

[worn ember]

cuz its messy, like yatopia

gotta stay on brand

[wispy blade]

°

[brave radish]

very appropriate; they took a bunch of different colors from different places and stuck it into one block that's all messed up

[worn ember]

[wispy blade]

ok im gonna head off

gn peeps

[brave radish]

ah

https://minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Minecraft_Earth:Rainbow_Wool

someone just posted that link in Yatopia's Discord

[ashen cliff]

@vale rune BRO!

OUR BED.

[quasi valley]

that's gay

[ashen cliff]

Bro.

[quasi valley]

bro...

[ashen cliff]

Good bro.

[worn ember]

Bruh

[cedar spade]

Sibling

[quasi valley]

@cedar spade Sis?

[ashen cliff]

Hey mister.

[worn ember]

step bro?

what are you doing step ladder

[quasi valley]

that's such a good meme hahaha

[worn ember]

i love it

idk why the whole "step brother/sister" even exists in porn. Either go full Alabama or not at all

[ashen cliff]

It has to.

[olive marlin]

DED is into watching Alabama ||Hot Pocket|| porn?

[ashen cliff]

Mom why are you giving someone a rusty trombone? Wouldn't it be nicer to give them a new one?

[worn ember]

[worn ember]

the pizza one is pretty good too

or the pumpkin one

[ashen cliff]

https://youtu.be/GDr8HZvJ_30?t=92

[limpid comet]

alright

vps time

[warm anchor]

[limpid comet]

what are some gamer vps providers

i'd like to host a few websites + jenkins if possible

[warm anchor]

OVH has cheap vps

[limpid comet]

looks like it, but what the fuck is a vcore

[worn ember]

virtual core duh

[limpid comet]

what the fuck is a virtual core

[warm anchor]

Yeah don’t matter too much if it’s just hosting sites

[limpid comet]

ci is what i'm most worried about

[worn ember]

i have the cheapest hetzner package for jenkins, runs fine

[ashen cliff]

OVH has trash IOPS limits.

[limpid comet]

i'd like to be able to build/host plugin artifacts built with jenkins

[wraith trail]

^ ovh vpw have gone way down hill

[mossy vessel]

My jenkins runs on a dedi ofc 😌

[limpid comet]

@worn ember hetzner cloud?

[worn ember]

yup

cheapest package

[limpid comet]

pog

are you in NA? they only offer european servers but do you notice any latency

i guess it won't matter much anyways for what i need it for

[worn ember]

oh, im in europe

[limpid comet]

wtf i didnt know u were yurop

[worn ember]

yeah latency wont be that big of an issue if its just to build artifacts and publish them

[limpid comet]

yea

[merry talon]

false

[limpid comet]

is there any real upgrade process

like, if i decide my vps needs more resources down the line, do i need to move everything over to a new installation

[magic river]

https://xkcd.com/2464/

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) xkcd: Muller's Ratchet (17 May 2021)

[merry talon]

wtf I just replied to something from yesterday

discord hello?

[worn ember]

they're vm's so you can just upgrade i think

[golden gust]

most places let you upgrade VPSes

[warm anchor]

On OVH yes they should be the same too

[limpid comet]

[worn ember]

not sure how you'd upgrade tho

[limpid comet]

ok i'm going with hetzner because cheep

[golden gust]

also, for just stuff like jenkins, the build speed improvements of a "top tier" VPS is generally not worth it unless you're building hourly or something

[worn ember]

even then

oh uh

rip ig lmao

[magic river]

TIL https://unsplash.com/

[frank otter]

unsplash is cool

[worn ember]

theres a bunch of those sites yeah

something pixel too

[frank otter]

the api I've never messed with for unsplash but it seems decent

[limpid comet]

what's up with this price per hour vs price per month thing

[magic river]

Why would they need an API?

[limpid comet]

oh wow

i see

[frank otter]

they run unsplash.com on their api

iirc

[worn ember]

in case you only need it for a couple hours

[limpid comet]

whatever is cheaper, based

[worn ember]

its the same price lol

[frank otter]

no it's not

https://api.unsplash.com

[limpid comet]

Mathematically speaking, we will bill you for the minimum amount, whether that is the monthly price cap OR the hourly price multiplied by the number of hours you used the server.

[worn ember]

rtp builds in like 44 seconds on the buildserver, without caches etc

[limpid comet]

wow

nice

[golden gust]

you pay per hour that your VM is "there"

however, they cap the number of hours that you pay for each month

[limpid comet]

i see

[worn ember]

and all the addons build in like 26 seconds (total) so yeah its not too bad

faster than githubs ci im pretty sure

[limpid comet]

if the vps has a 20gb ssd, and i don't need more than 20gb, no need to add another volume correct?

on hetzner

[worn ember]

yup

[limpid comet]

created

[ashen cliff]

Very epic.

[worn ember]

just configure jenkins to only keep like x amount of artifacts

[ashen cliff]

Another Hetzner customer secured.

[worn ember]

so you dont eventually run out

[limpid comet]

oh good point

[worn ember]

but yeah, if you just use it for that, it'll be a while

[limpid comet]

i mean tbh i'd be using my home server for this, i threw an ssd in there so it performs quite well now, but i can't guarantee a stable network connection 24/7

[ashen cliff]

Caching brother.

Solves all issues.

And causes most of them.

[limpid comet]

lol

was i supposed to get an email for this server

i don't know what my login credentials are

[ashen cliff]

Soon.

[merry talon]

or get a buyvm server with a slab and pay $1.25/256gb so you can keep all your artifacts forever

[mossy vessel]

https://i.imgur.com/62Of5ag.png noice

[ashen cliff]

Or pay Google 10€/month for infinite storage and store like 200TB on Drive.

[brave radish]

or buy nitro and upload them all to Discord

just hope they don't catch you :)

[merry talon]

and have the world's most complicated workflow for uploading and retrieving all those files because it's not built for that lol

like some of the r/DataHoarder solutions are just ridiculous

time is money

[ashen cliff]

Bro. Real DataHoarders just use Drive.

[warm anchor]

You mean my 35 pi cluster isn’t fast??

[ashen cliff]

There is one scary person on Github that made 10k drive service accounts and is uploading like 100TB daily to Drive.

They legit mirror multiple torrent sites.

[merry talon]

yeah not surprising

[ashen cliff]

Even I'm scared of them.

[merry talon]

just ruining drive for everyone else hoarding data for no reason lol

[ashen cliff]

Yes, but actually no.

[worn ember]

https://github.com/RubbaBoy/DiscordFileStorage

first there was https://github.com/HolySheet/HolySheet but google fucked that up lol

[ancient bolt]

Google fucked over HolySheet
yeah I don't think that's what happened

[worn ember]

wym?

[ancient bolt]

abusing a web service provider's "unlimited" plan is a quick way to make it not unlimited anymore

[mental meadow]

Iirc people used telegram as a backup solution once as well because there was no limit

[worn ember]

i mean, if you're not gonna set a limit

people will abuse it

[ancient bolt]

correct but not relevant to what I said

people will do it, and it's those people who are the ones fucking over everyone else

[worn ember]

true

[ancient bolt]

google docs/sheets/w/e was unlimited for a long time without any issues until people started doing this shit

[worn ember]

you should still be fine with a few gigs tho

idk what the limit is at

[ashen cliff]

They don't mention the limit tho.

[mental meadow]

17 or something

Some weird number

[worn ember]

if you gonna use 17gb of docs you might aswel get a subscription lol

[ashen cliff]

17GB sounds like the max you can get for free.

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/2021-06-02_01-03-23.png

You got 2GB if you did the security check like 4 years ago.

[cunning raft]

what demon means is that docs/sheets/etc didn't count towards that

[worn ember]

oh

[cunning raft]

until is was abused

[worn ember]

still, they're only like a few mb each

[warm anchor]

Yeah was about to say lol

[ashen cliff]

https://www.pcworld.com/article/2882022/get-2-gb-of-free-google-drive-storage-forever-with-a-quick-security-check.html

Bruh. 7 years.

6. 

[warm anchor]

Hi old person

[ashen cliff]

Hello.

[warm anchor]

When Gmail first started they have those funni counter that make it looks like your email inbox is getting bigger by seconds

[ashen cliff]

Gmail BETA.

That was epic.

[warm anchor]

Yeah

Coz at that time there was yahoo msn and aol?

And all of them had like 500 mb storage

[ashen cliff]

ISP and after that I switched to Gmail.

[warm anchor]

While Gmail starts at 4G

[ashen cliff]

With the ISP I only had like 100MB.

[magic river]

It was getting bigger but the rate was slowing to a point where it would basically level off

[ashen cliff]

I think that email still works today.

[magic river]

gmail started at 1GB

[warm anchor]

Oh I still have my old msn.com email

Still my Microsoft login lol

[magic river]

My gmail account is from April 2004. Yahoo and Hotmail at the time were like 10MB

[merry talon]

I have like tens of thousands of emails and my Gmail is only using.. 80MB

[merry talon]

maybe not tens but thousands at least

[ancient bolt]

email doesn't really use much except for attachments

general email text is basically nothing

[merry talon]

I guess attachments were much more common back in the day gmail came out

[magic river]

I apparently have about 170,000 but I think that's conversations, not individual emails

[worn ember]

where do you even see the size lol

[merry talon]

[magic river]

Bottom of the webpage

[worn ember]

nope

all igot there is hangout and stuff

[worn ember]

oh its at the actual bottom of the email list

lmao wtf

yeah i'll be alright

[ancient bolt]

Am barely using anything with email

[magic river]

For a while my usage was racing with the growing size limit but in like 2011 it overtook it

I unsubscribed to a bunch of mailing lists since then though

[worn ember]

kek

i'll never have pictures anywhere near cloud storage

so no size wasted there

[ancient bolt]

yeah about every month now I go through and unsubscribe from stuff. even with that it's like there's always shit to unsubscribe from, it's wild

[magic river]

afaik this is mostly not from attachments, the usage is just from raw plain text emails

I used to be on a bunch of Ubuntu and GNOME mailing lists

[worn ember]

ive been getting google doc invites for spam docs lol

seems to be the new rage

[magic river]

email forums for people who just think of a mailing list as a list of people who get spam

[worn ember]

so glad an unsubscribe button is mandatory now

[magic river]

I used to read most of them too and then I kept subscribed and looked in on them occasionally for a few more years

Then I unsubscribed to everything except announce lists

[worn ember]

meh dont like news updates that much

seems legit

fucking mailto 80 people to unsubscribe

i really cant tell if i should click send or not

[merry talon]

if you want your emails going straight to spam go for it

[worn ember]

yeah thats what i'm worried about hah

"if we get marked as spam, so will you"

[ashen cliff]

I love when you unsubscribe from one list and magically get added to 3 new ones instantly.

[worn ember]

magic

[ashen cliff]

Uses to use + things to figure out who kept forwarding my email to spam lists.

They didn't last long.

[worn ember]

whats that?

[ashen cliff]

By simply adding a + to the end of your username (but before the "@") you can create infinite variations of your Gmail address.

[worn ember]

interesting

does that still work?

[ashen cliff]

It does.

Tho, many sites just remove the + part now.

Very 💩.

[worn ember]

💩

ugh everyone changing their logo's to rainbows and now i gotta figure out which server is which

[olive marlin]

Many sites don't support aliases.

Some sites let you register with alias, reset password etc, but not actually log in

[worn ember]

nice

most are like "+" not a valid email

[upper flicker]

stabs

[worn ember]

[olive marlin]

That's why I just got a domain and forward all emails to my main account.