I mean, kotlin source code looks like shit
#general
ancient bolt
Deamon started working on a kotlin decompiler
But didn't continue with it
That was a long time ago
ancient bolt
I mean, kotlin *source* code looks like shit
wot m8
I'll have you know that you look like shit
merry talon
ok and
ancient bolt
That was the end of the sentence
merry talon
Water is wet
ancient bolt
Kotlin is great
vernal moth
Maybe android
lean kiln
haters
vernal moth
After working like 9 months on hangar stuff, there is still scala code in ore that I don't fully understand and just assume it does what I think it does
ancient bolt
There better not be any Scala in hangar
sand pelican
ancient bolt
.ask
limber knotBOT
If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for staff or topic experts. Don't ask to ask or ask if people are awake or available. Just ask the question to the channel straight out, and wait patiently for a reply.
vestal jasper
We can't answer questions that you do not ask
quasi valley
The answer is no
formal turret
They got him
golden gust
.dontask
limber knotBOT
vagrant gust
does some one can help me with timings ?
coarse lily
does some one can help me with timings ?
Paste them in #paper-help and folks can take a look
vale badge
how to fix?
golden gust
your server is overloaded
You're also using an unsupported version so you're on your own
ashen cliff
Daily reminder: HTTP 451 exists.
void void
Any suggestion on how to advertise the server and increase player base?
vernal moth
Tic Toc ads
topaz mortar
Kotlin is acceptable for gradle stuff
I'm fine with Kotlin everywhere. Just the acceptance rate in the community is to low.
ashen cliff
Another daily reminder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu2lGV-kISI
wide chasm
Surround with try/catch?
olive marlin
Surround with try/catch?
Static final field?
If you hard code the url, it's fine to ignore this.
wide chasm
Oh, I only now notice the actual problem
Can you ignore it, though, seems like a checked exception
waxen panther
make a static function that wraps it in a try catch? use the static { } block?
dont use static?
many options
olive garden
now here's someone who knows java
waxen panther
we do a little java'ing
olive marlin
Brocc best Java developer?
woven otter
Peak vegetabl
olive marlin
@ashen cliff did you ever had a long (5 min or so) freeze on Intel boards "CG board: waiting for flag" until it times out?
Disabling UEFI gets rid of it, but I sadly need UEFI. And googling it returns resultats of Indian exams...
Though I'd ask you since you might have hit it with your cursed servers.
ashen cliff
What board?
olive marlin
S2600WFT
ashen cliff
Since disabling EFI boot fixed the issue, could be a PCIe card, IPMI or some random boot media somewhere.
olive marlin
Hmm, yeah. It happens in almost every single server we have.
We yanked RAID controller because it was also causing issues.
And we basically have minimal setup we need.
ashen cliff
Did you try updating the bios? Since you might have a very old cursed version.
ashen cliff
What about the IPMI/BMC?
olive marlin
I think it also was updated, but not 100% sure tbh.
golden gust
ISN'T EFI AMAZING?!
ashen cliff
I'm sure it's just waiting for some add in board.
topaz mortar
Not the whole cache, only the value that isn't accessed or a minute+.
olive marlin
Exactly 3 months after manufacturing the board I'm looking at rn, they discontinued it. I wonder why.
ashen cliff
I mean it's Intel. They killed their motherboard division like 2 times already.
olive marlin
Though not sure if I read it correctly, but the bm I'm looking at has severly outdated bmc.
But I don't know which were updated. It's a mess.
Thanks for the tips Krusic!
Will see if we can figure something out.
ashen cliff
If even that doesn't fix it, try fully clearing the settings with the on board jumpers.
ashen cliff
Now I just need TABS to be gone.
golden gust
yeet your fucking self
golden gust
ashen cliff
Also disable hardware buttons and add on screen buttons.
worn ember
Nice they're giving first year of angular this year in my college and it'll be dead next year lmao
topaz mortar
Nice they're giving first year of angular this year in my college and it'll be d...
Angular != Angular JS
worn ember
They both poop tho
worn ember
Lots of things are usable :p doesn't mean they're good
waxen panther
gross
topaz mortar
Lots of things are usable :p doesn't mean they're good
e.g. Node JS, it's just shit
topaz mortar
Jokes on you
Not a joke.
Why using Node if you can do stuff with GO, Kotlin, Java?
olive marlin
So that you use one language for the whole stack?
cedar spade
isn't node-gyp, like, one of the biggest reasonable counterarguments to "node's fine"
cedar spade
the only times I've ever ended up needing it were pain and I gave up
golden gust
Like, the only real argument I see for node is that js is more acessible
beyond that it's ecosystem is a toxic plague upon the world
wispy blade
yes
worn ember
I made a snake game in node. God i hated it
topaz mortar
So that you use one language for the whole stack?
Yeah perfect idea. Using a lang that is just horror for backend.
olive marlin
Ikr?
wispy blade
looks at 100 line switch statement command handler
worn ember
Same goes for electron apps
olive marlin
Though, tbh, you can transpile Kotlin to JS, so you can also write both frontend and backend in one Lang.
golden gust
as much as I hate to say it, I get electron
I mean, it's fucking stupid
But, nobody has yet to solve the cross platform UI issue in a way which is consistent and not QT
worn ember
Your system resources? Our system resources
topaz mortar
Though, tbh, you can transpile Kotlin to JS, so you can also write both frontend...
Did you test Kotlin JS? The thing I looked at didn't work out well.
Just use the appropriate language for the system you use.
worn ember
But, nobody has yet to solve the cross platform UI issue in a way which is consi...
swing 🏃♂️
wispy blade
gtk 
olive marlin
Did you test Kotlin JS? The thing I looked at didn't work out well.
Just use the...
Just write everything in Rust.
runs
waxen panther
$75
wispy blade
$75
woven otter
$75
ashen cliff
You ever just check your ID to make sure you don't get your birthday date wrong? 
worn ember
my own birthday is about the only one i can remember
vernal moth
Then again, my birthday is 4/20 and I share it with hitler, how could I ever forget that
worn ember
wispy blade
i got super confused when i saw people typing/writing 1312 everywhere
since that's my birthday
and now i get called based :/
ashen cliff
Based on what?
left swift
Herobrine
wispy blade
yes i made my name when i was 12 deal with it
worn ember
neverr
wispy blade
then seethe
waxen panther
BASED
left swift
BROCCED
waxen panther
heyyyy xxx
left swift
Welcome back to MTV's BROCCED where we go and brocc celebrities, today's victim is toby Keith
wispy blade
let's go
worn ember
this chat is very confusing
warm anchor
Wtf did I just read
worn ember
weebs at it again
wispy blade
xd
void void
I have learned some java but I still dont know how to make plugins. What should I do now?
worn ember
are you comfortable with the syntax?
worn ember
yeah theres plenty of guides online on how to get started with plugin dev
(i'd say stick to the written ones, as they're usually more accurate)
void void
okay
worn ember
intellij's minecraft dev plugin is also really handy
waxen panther
bzzzzzz
void void
(i'd say stick to the written ones, as they're usually more accurate)
what should I do if I want to make my own original plugin?
worn ember
google, mostly lol
or ask questions about specific issues you're having in #paper-dev
void void
i don't have any specific issues. I just don't understand plugin code in general
left swift
Start learning
worn ember
thats just a matter of knowing the api and java really
wispy blade
yep
worn ember
it takes time
wispy blade
if it helps, divide what you want your plugin to do into small chunks
wraith oracle
You don't have to understand how it works, you just have to understand how to use it
void void
Start learning
what and from where
wispy blade
reading the docs
wraith oracle
what and from where
it depends, what do you want to do
worn ember
spigotmc has the most resources for it
void void
reading the docs
i dont know how to
worn ember
reading the docs wont really teach you much unless you know what to look for
wispy blade
^
worn ember
google what you're trying to do, chances are someone already asked before
twin lagoon
@waxen panther @warm anchor 
void void
but i want to know how to do it on my own
wraith oracle
I think the issue is that you don't really know what you want to do
waxen panther
@twin lagoon 
worn ember
well do you magically know how to fly a plane?
wraith oracle
why are you trying to get into plugin development?
void void
to make plugins
waxen panther
People explained where and how to learn before you were last kicked
unreal quarry
why are you trying to get into plugin development?
isnt it always to pick up chicks?
waxen panther
If this isn’t trolling it’s just ignorance
wraith oracle
but what plugins, you don't just wake up one day and say "I want to make plugins"
void void
If this isn’t trolling it’s just ignorance
fine then I am ignorant for not being able to pass the intellij java course
waxen panther
Yes
wraith oracle
isnt it always to pick up chicks?
of course, reliability is low though, wouldn't recommend
void void
alright agreed
wraith oracle
I mean, you are asking us questions which in the end you're the only one able to answer
worn ember
of course, reliability is low though, wouldn't recommend
you just gotta hit them with the "hey girl, i make mc plugins in my free time, wanna netflix and chill?"
void void
google what you're trying to do, chances are someone already asked before
I don't want to copy others code unknowingly how it works or how to use it
wispy blade
then you learn how to read the code
waxen panther
How old are you?
unreal quarry
this many
ashen cliff
Daily reminder: Joking about your age on Discord can get you banned.
olive marlin
In the beginning, I had a lot of copy paste, but I always tried to understand what it means.
void void
Daily reminder: Joking about your age on Discord can get you banned.
how do you know I was banned?
waxen panther
You might want to wait until your school does a programming class or something because clearly you need 1 to 1 guidance if you can’t learn through IntelliJs course
olive marlin
And I still do that with new languages I tackle etc.
ashen cliff
¯_(ツ)_/¯
worn ember
heck when i started making plugins i asked how to use lists and arrays
and got told to learn java and cried in the corner
wraith oracle
you just gotta hit them with the "hey girl, i make mc plugins in my free time, w...
have you seen my broadcast script on spigotmc, it has 500 downloads 😉
worn ember
have you seen my broadcast script on spigotmc, it has 500 downloads 😉
NICE!!!11
olive marlin
There's Intellij course. There's things like HackerRank where you get simple tasks that are checked automatically and also get some tutoring.
wispy blade
there's codecademy
ashen cliff
Run.
worn ember
Moral of the story: get comfortable with java, then get into plugin dev
or you'll have a hard time
olive marlin
Not sure if HR has Java course, but pretty sure it does.
worn ember
hackerman
warm anchor
Just don’t make rtp plugin or you will end up like ded
wraith oracle
hey, that was my first attempt at plugin development
warm anchor
XD
twin lagoon
olive marlin
I really liked doing things like HR, because they also verify my code.
wraith oracle
I crashed my server 5 times but I got it working
worn ember
worn ember
Just don’t make rtp plugin or you will end up like ded
it has like 7k downloads now so shut up hater xD
warm anchor
wispy blade
my plugin is just using sql and getstatistic to get the amount of playerkills and put them in a database that my discord bot then reads
olive garden
I think the only true way to learn programming is through university, nothing else quite gives you a thorough enough course in seemingly endless suffering
wispy blade
YEP
wraith oracle
I think the only true way to learn programming is through university, nothing el...
that's such a lie
wispy blade
my plugin is just using sql and getstatistic to get the amount of playerkills an...
(definitely not overengineered)
void void
I'm back
wraith oracle
formal education only gives you the theory, if you don't know how to learn from it then you're fucked
olive marlin
I think the only true way to learn programming is through university, nothing el...
Ugh, I'll disagree. It helps you get broader and lower level knowledge because that's not something you'd usually do when learning yourself.
worn ember
missing the joke i see
olive garden
he gets it
waxen panther
Lol
wispy blade
is that a woooosh i hear
vestal jasper
university is web scale
warm anchor
Learning through suffering is the only way
void void
So in the end what should I do to make plugins?
waxen panther
I have learned exactly zero things in my year of university 😁
worn ember
The way i learn is by taking a simple concept and overengineering the shit out of it
olive marlin
MFW i didn't see last line.
olive garden
So in the end what should I do to make plugins?
become a monk and mentally prepare yourself
olive marlin
Thanks Discord!
wispy blade
So in the end what should I do to make plugins?
make something simple that says something in the chat
waxen panther
Stop asking the same question holy shit
worn ember
dont blame your inablity to read on discord bloodstone 😉
waxen panther
Train wifi very slow 
wispy blade
train wifi? nl moment?
void void
make something simple that says something in the chat
i've already copied code that does such a thing
olive marlin
So in the end what should I do to make plugins?
Learn Java. Find a way that you like. Can be HackerRank or similar sites which give you small tasks when teaching you.
void void
is HackerRank free?
olive marlin
i've already copied code that does such a thing
Now, make it better.
Yes it is.
At least was last time I used it.
worn ember
@wispy bladewait, are you the person i helped on TPH yesterday?
void void
Now, make it better.
I don't know how
wraith oracle
do you have an idea of what to make even
worn ember
void void
do you have an idea of what to make even
yes
waxen panther
IntelliJs course is as hand holdy as it gets
wraith oracle
then try it, it doesn't have to be perfect, it just has to work
void void
IntelliJs course is as hand holdy as it gets
You told me not to repeat myself but I can't pass it
worn ember
then keep trying
void void
then try it, it doesn't have to be perfect, it just has to work
I don't know how to
worn ember
bitching about it here wont magically solve it
wraith oracle
you don't know how to what
I can't really answer if you don't know what you don't know
void void
you don't know how to what
how to make things happen
waxen panther
How old are you
warm anchor
No one is gonna help you figure out wtf
wide chasm
Which part at IntelliJ's course are you stuck at? Perhaps we could help you pass that part?
worn ember
nvm
warm anchor
That’s the basic of learning. You just gotta do it
void void
Which part at IntelliJ's course are you stuck at? Perhaps we could help you pass...
I will tell you once I get back on my PC
worn ember
guess i'm just going mental then ¯_(ツ)_/¯
worn ember
the programming hangout (ima say it anyway)
wispy blade
ah
void void
the programming hangout (ima say it anyway)
what is that?
wraith oracle
it is another guild
worn ember
a discord
wispy blade
the programming hangout is the programming hangout
void void
Can I join the discord server?
wispy blade
it'd seem it's public so
worn ember
ye, but you'll get yeeted faster than you can blink if you keep asking the same questions lol
warm anchor
Tfw we are nice
worn ember
waxen panther
Compared to most programming places we are
warm anchor
Revert back to paper 1.0 when
waxen panther
Fact!
wispy blade
i mean i have a couple programmer friends who just insult my code and then help me but yes
minor badge
Compared to most programming places we are
you've never been in rusts discord have you 
worn ember
i think they're pretty tolerable as long as you dont troll or just ignore advice
minor badge
waxen panther
Can I insult your use of eclipse
waxen panther
Rust is just hipsters so of course they’re nice
minor badge
wtf
waxen panther
Use intellij!!!!!!! ❗
wispy blade
no.
waxen panther
😠
void void
I learned how to use hashmaps today
wispy blade
im more of a vscode person anyway 😔
worn ember
intellij or no support 
waxen panther
Lol
left swift
Use sublime !!
wraith oracle
"this shit again naomi, what the fuck is wrong with you? This is why your dad hits you every single damn night you useless bastard, anyways the issue is that you're not handling the integer overflow at line 412"
wispy blade
setting up java and maven in vscode is something i never want to do again
worn ember
understandable
wispy blade
"this shit again naomi, what the fuck is wrong with you? This is why your dad hi...
tfw the only class not even >100 lines
wispy blade
huh would you look at that the the last } is at line 69
worn ember
this is the point where you block brocc
void void
intellij is very laggy for me
wide chasm
IntelliJ likes to use resources, yes
wraith oracle
eh, I can't disagree
worn ember
im pretty sure even stefs potato can run it
wide chasm
Yes, I can
void void
i dont know when I'll be able to get on my pc stafvanschie
wispy blade
eclipse is 10 billion times better than java-editor tho
weak mulch
Sorry if I'm interrupting but if I make a plugin under the Paper plugin platform, will it still work on bukkit servers or does it need to be paper?
wraith oracle
but it has come a long way, IntelliJ 2016 was just so laggy for me I couldn't even use it
wide chasm
If you don't use any Paper exclusive features, it will work fine on Bukkit/Spigot
worn ember
eclipse is 10 billion times better than java-editor tho
thats literally everyone that hasnt used intellij says 😉
weak mulch
Oh right, makes sense. Thanks
wide chasm
I haven't even heard of java-editor before
vestal jasper
Target the lowest platform you want to support
wraith oracle
now I have the most shitty hardware you can imagine and IJ runs pretty damn well as long as I don't open the Material enum in it
wispy blade
you don't want to use java-editor
worn ember
^^ that
wide chasm
The Material enum is a sure way to get IJ to burn your pc
worn ember
now I have the most shitty hardware you can imagine and IJ runs pretty damn well...
tbh at least it doesnt hang 2 minutes anymore when indexing, glad they fixed that at least
vestal jasper
If you want spigot compat I wouldn't target paper
Or else you may accidentally use paper specific API
wispy blade
my school's java course: myes today we'll teach them how to make javafx applets
wide chasm
JavaFX applets tf
wispy blade
DEPRECATED BTW
worn ember
is this 2005??
wispy blade
nope, 2021
wide chasm
No, in 2005 it'd be Swing applets
worn ember
wraith oracle
JavaFX doesn't have "applets", what
wispy blade
but it does
waxen panther
Or else you may accidentally use paper specific API
has happened to me more than a few times
wraith oracle
all I can find from a quick google search is how to embed a JFX app into a Swing applet but not a JFX Applet by itself
worn ember
spigot with paperlib 
waxen panther
Not the same
wraith oracle
I have to make that API comparison tool, I always forget
worn ember
I have to make that API comparison tool, I always forget
wasnt that dropped cuz it was a planned api feature or something?
in java
idk, mini knows more about it
wraith trail
.api
limber knotBOT
wraith trail
There's a thing
wraith oracle
yeah but that one doesn't auto-update
wraith trail
It's very old and ugly though
worn ember
yeah but he ditched developing it
wraith oracle
I was going to make one that auto-updates using japicmp
worn ember
@vernal moth bestow your wisdom upon us
wispy blade
my school's java course: myes today we'll teach them how to make javafx applets
also this
void void
stefvanschie how did you learn java?
worn ember
dutch moment
waxen panther
It’s nearly minimessage Friday, are we excited? 😳
wraith oracle
the only issue I had is the fact that it'd have been ugly as hell with the default style and I am no css artist or whatever they're called now
olive marlin
yeah but that one doesn't auto-update
Unless he turned it off, he made GH actions update it.
vernal moth
But yes japicmp is cool
wispy blade
dutch moment
makker moment?
wraith oracle
It auto updates nowadays
oh, nice
worn ember
makker moment?
koekoek jonge moment
frick i'm hungry but idk if i should make lasagna at 2:30pm 
wispy blade
there's never a bad time for lasagna
void void
what's difference between spigot and paper?
worn ember
true but then i wont have dinner
wide chasm
Paper is a fork of Spigot
wispy blade
true but then i wont have dinner
make enough to have leftovers for dinner :)
worn ember
its freezer lasagna
wraith oracle
Paper is a fork of Spigot
how do people even get here without realizing this
vernal moth
Paper fixes bugs and exploits, improves performance, fixes gameplay inconsistencies and provides more api than spigot
wide chasm
how do people even get here without realizing this
No idea tbh
wispy blade
idk some people just come here for minecraft i guess
worn ember
how do people even get here without realizing this
maybe they were hoping to get a nice deal on paper towels
wispy blade
i came here to ask some stuff about how to do configuration files but i managed to fix that on my own lol
worn ember
then you get yelled at to use configurate
waxen panther
no
wispy blade
i'm using bukkit's thing deal with it
wraith oracle
what is configurate
waxen panther
simping zml libraries is part of a balanced daily diet
vestal jasper
use configurate
waxen panther
the best config lib ever
wide chasm
Configurate is a configuration library
waxen panther
vestal jasper
cloud, configurate, adventure, minimessage, moonshine, best tech stack
potent fossil
I have awoken
waxen panther
worn ember
moonshine
vestal jasper
ok I take my leave
potent fossil
Josh what the fuck
waxen panther
There are no docs for it ded
vestal jasper
wide chasm
I would vouch for Configurate, but I'm still using Bukkit's YAML stuff, so...
wispy blade
^
worn ember
i tried cloud, noped out of that one tho
waxen panther
vic
vestal jasper
am I missing something here
wide chasm
I do want to try Cloud and Configurate one day
waxen panther
it took ded a year and a half to understand configurate
Of course he can’t use cloud
vestal jasper
I implemented configurate cloud and moonshine with 0 documentation
take a look at ban and just copy how it does things smh
waxen panther
Fact!
vestal jasper
cloud takes a tiny bit of setup but once it's set up adding commands is piss easy
tbh same with moonshine and localisation
worn ember
starter docs arent very clear imo, might just be my tiny brain
vestal jasper
it takes a fair bit of practice to be able to dive into things without docs so I don't blame you
but it's a helpful skill to have
worn ember
i tried using it for a small plugin and couldnt really get it working so i just went back to acf cuz i'm familiar with it, might give it a proper go for a bigger plugin
having cloud as a name is also really obnoxious cuz its so generic you cant even find it by googling
wide chasm
Looking over moonshine and I realized that when writing javadocs for everything yourself, it's really hard to read code without javadocs. All the code is so... close together.
wraith oracle
"Configurate is a simple configuration library"
waxen panther
Yos
worn ember
keyword simple lul
left swift
Keyword is a
waxen panther
Idk I think cloud is pretty easy to use but I wrote some of it so I guess it would be for me
wraith oracle
simple seems a bit far from the truth
vestal jasper
Looking over moonshine and I realized that when writing javadocs for everything ...
yeah no there is no looking into moonshine and understanding it, its use of generics and just... everything makes it impossible to understand lmao
take a look at her ban plugin and her commit that impls moonshine and it'll make much more sense
it's honestly quite simple it's just not very self explanatory
worn ember
docs should be written by people who werent involved in the writing of the program, change my mind
wide chasm
To some extent I agree
magic river
Uh, that's obvious and, at least as recently as 10 years ago, was the norm for professional software
wraith oracle
moonshine seems overly complex to me for what it tries to accomplish
worn ember
doesnt moonshine get you high?
vestal jasper
time to shill my plugin
Cloud:
https://github.com/Hexaoxide/Carbon/blob/da4b5051cab3befea4941d919ee05ec4a76d45b7/bukkit/src/main/java/net/draycia/carbon/bukkit/CarbonChatBukkit.java#L42
https://github.com/Hexaoxide/Carbon/blob/cleanup/common/src/main/java/net/draycia/carbon/common/CarbonChatCommon.java#L22
Moonshine:
https://github.com/Hexaoxide/Carbon/pull/139/files#diff-b47e807a70cecf6c230d5fee50221fbd516a7e10ac98bdc0d10b4c5b2df6aba3R19
https://github.com/Hexaoxide/Carbon/pull/139/files#diff-3eea6f479c5441071b3254bfb042a453bf9e62fbe0a20fc25387ed81427c2553R9
Most of that PR is just adding Moonshine and Guice.
twin lagoon
josh 
vestal jasper
Could be done without guice but I copy ban's design and how ban sets up moonshine
michael 
worn ember
i still have no clue what moonshine is
vestal jasper
localisation
wide chasm
moonshine seems overly complex to me for what it tries to accomplish
If it doesn't have seventeen abstraction layers, with support for literally everything in existence, can you really call it a working program? /s
worn ember
just learn english smh
magic river
I was trying to google this shit to figure out wtf moonshine was but that's impossible to google
worn ember
same with cloud lol
wraith oracle
worn ember
"because your code is not clutter" yeah thats a lie xD
magic river
Did you know generics don't have to be a single letter?
I feel like this is a case where they shouldn't be a single letter 😛
worn ember
yes
wraith oracle
https://github.com/Incendo/cloud, is this the cloud they're talking about=
minor badge
yes
magic river
On the other hand I usually hate it when they aren't a single letter since it looks like it should be a real type
wide chasm
They should never have been a single letter, but someone who was writing the style guide decided it would be a good idea to make them a single letter
worn ember
i think its fine in some cases, like T for type and stuff but anything more complex shouldn't be
vestal jasper
wraith oracle
the general rule of thumb is, T for type, E for element and C for class
and maybe B for beans
wide chasm
K for key, V for value
I think there's a list somewhere, can't be bothered to find or remember it
magic river
If you need something more than that use words 😄
wide chasm
It's a dumb style guideline anyway, but people expect it, so whatever
wraith oracle
or just the alphabet and use javadocs to describe what the fuck did you mean with H
worn ember
<https://github.com/Hexaoxide/Carbon/pull/139/files#diff-c3ec6b88d10326872e3e9ec...
doesnt bukkit expose localisation?
tbh i never bothered
wraith oracle
what is Carbon
can people for the love of god choose a name representative of their programs
waxen panther
Chat plugin
worn ember
^^ i was gonna say the same xD
waxen panther
Coming 2025
worn ember
ig we ran out of elements on the periodic table
vestal jasper
I literally named it to poke fun at and reference Sodium and Phosphor
also I own the hexaoxi.de domain
Carbon Hexaoxide is a real compound
wraith oracle
I'll be damned when someone calls their program Sex or something else
"I haven't tried Sex yet but it looks interesting, you should take a look!"
worn ember
Take a look at ButtStuff
wide chasm
There's always PermissionsEx /s
magic river
Yeah, can't forget permission sex
wispy blade
there's also reversing my name 👀
wispy blade
yes
wide chasm
That took me way too long
worn ember
i was like "im oan" and was confused
wide chasm
lol
worn ember
i have a friend who's last name is "de Cock"
wispy blade
yeah
wraith oracle
I always get confused when people use DED for short of DarkEyeDragon
I just think they're saying ded
wispy blade
kek
worn ember
wow ok
void void
electroniccat
worn ember
go suck my toe, cat
void void
foot
worn ember
im not into feet
void void
toe
wraith oracle
that's what everyone says
wispy blade
thighs 🤤
left swift
Everyone says they're not into feet until you get a good suckin
wispy blade
so?
void void
u like thighs?
wraith oracle
who said girls can't be into thighs
wispy blade
^^^^^
golden gust
I'm a chicken person
wispy blade
what
wraith oracle
have you seen thighs dude? they're genderless
waxen panther
🤢
left swift
Oh is it that time of day for papermc general
golden gust
I love thighs, breast, okay, and maybe butt
worn ember
insert your fetishes here
waxen panther
weirdchamp paper hours
golden gust
That would take me all day
left swift
I smell a fresh ban soon
worn ember
it do be one of those moments
wispy blade
i'm not gonna leak my fetishes wtf
waxen panther
Yea someone’s gotta ban cat
wraith oracle
i'm not gonna leak my fetishes wtf
you're either into feet or tacos if you're in the paper discord
waxen panther
tacos
worn ember
oh uh
void void
tacos
left swift
I'm more of an ankle and burger
worn ember
ig toes are part of feet?
golden gust
My besties muslim, so, I always tease her about how she's showing ankle 😄
magic river
🌮 🚫
wispy blade
lol
worn ember
whenever someone says ankle i need to think about the ankylosaurus
left swift
You need to?
worn ember
yes
left swift
Like you cant go on without thinking about it?
worn ember
indeed
wispy blade
enkel
left swift
What happens if you dont
worn ember
then i dont think about ankle either
left swift
Dont lie
worn ember
yes
left swift
Cat go to bed
golden gust
worn ember
boop the snoot
wispy blade
get mlemmed
left swift
worn ember
left swift
The gif is hurting my eyes though can remove?
golden gust
||What she's looking for when she says that she cares about what's on the inside||
wide chasm
Wait wtf happened here
golden gust
cat happened
worn ember
ah shit the mod is back
left swift
Thanks
golden gust
both pictures of cats, and me
left swift
wide chasm
Cat, you're blue, you're supposed to keep this place nice and tidy
wraith oracle
that convo just reminded me of a really uncomfortable MeatCanyon video (don't google it)
wispy blade
cats and tidy OMEGALUL
worn ember
getting lectured by stef 
wispy blade
ok but does it cover everything you need
left swift
Nope
void void
getting lectured by stef <:sad:768988901188567051>
getting lectured by Sheldon Cooper
who is this
waxen panther
One of the core team members
left swift
That's god
mental meadow
oh nice, Hetzner now officially forbids you from crypto mining on their systems
worn ember
lol
mental meadow
peak ginkgo
In case you also definitely speak that language:
Yes, it's true, we have expanded the terms and conditions and banned crypto mining. We have received many orders for our large hard drive servers. For this, however, large storage boxes are increasingly being rented. With storage boxes this leads to problems with the bandwidth on the host systems. With Chia mining there is also the problem that the hard drives are extremely stressed by the many read and write processes and will therefore break.
left swift
Krusic is panicing
worn ember
how will they detect it tho
peak ginkgo
in other news
I have 3 e2288g's
and pnap doesnt ban mining
im gona make a bajillion dollars monero mining
left swift
mental meadow
I just sold all my crypto currencies today
worn ember
wtf ur part of the problem
mossy vessel
There're gonna be ups soon again
quasi valley
might as well just invest into proper stocks at that point 
mossy vessel
I've made $2, it's worth it!
mossy vessel
For you, yes.
worn ember
mental meadow
wtf ur part of the problem <a:bancat:750515395672277045>
that's why I sold it 😄
twin lagoon
oh neat i have access to teamspeak 5 apparently
worn ember
its funny how hard everyone tries to become a millionaire but by all doing it, no one is getting anywhere
worn ember
untold meadow
that sounds like it could be absolutely amazing or utterly terrible no inbetween
worn ember
plays whale noises
olive garden
its funny how hard everyone tries to become a millionaire but by all doing it, n...
being a millionaire is easy
just have an inflated currency
wraith oracle
its funny how hard everyone tries to become a millionaire but by all doing it, n...
it's really easy to become a millionaire
worn ember
just follow these easy tricks
vernal moth
Excuse the literal screenshot
wraith oracle
3d? what the heck were you building
waxen panther
Lol
cunning raft
github status be like "we're experiencing slight performance degradations on actions for some users"
worn ember
mining crypto on the build server
wraith oracle
wonder if that kind of exploit is possible without github figuring it out
worn ember
probably not even worth the effort
worn ember
no u
vernal moth
github status be like "we're experiencing *slight* performance degradations on a...
My run was from back when GitHub was having issues 4 days ago
It just never finished
waxen panther
You heard it here first, mini was responsible for the slight GitHub actions issues
worn ember
bocc you should write for those "news" sites
vernal moth
Meanwhile I am explaining to the workers council that there is no liability attached to contributing to open source projects on work time
I deny all liability for the GitHub outtage
cunning raft
well depending on the contract you sign with the company you work for there can be
this happened to someone didn't it?
I know it was like the opening plot in silicon valley
golden gust
Outside of the odd toxic company not generally any issues
and that's often oddball ownership stuff
i.e. think somebody got shafted over creating contributions under their work email address or something
minor badge
We get encouraged to contribute to OSS if we need something in them
worn ember
wasnt that IBM
waxen panther
ibm was it yeah
minor badge
vernal moth
I am trying to get my company to pass some regulation that encourages open source contributions for software we use
Cause right now I am breaking my contract every time I do contribute, lmao
worn ember
just contribute on your own time /s
vernal moth
Even that breaks my contract
worn ember
what? can you not contribute to stuff on your own time?
vernal moth
Cause it's stuff i have worked on on work time
My company owns all my work relating to the work I do here
minor badge
this just in: Hangar is owned by mini's employer
worn ember
vernal moth
Unless hangar starts selling insurances I doubt that ^^
worn ember
well to some extend that makes sense
vernal moth
But yes, pretty sure I am not allowed to compete with my company in my free time for example
worn ember
oh yeah well duh
vernal moth
Cause there is no way I don't use insights or skills I learned at work
For some (especially american) companies they straight up claim all your work you do in your free time, lol
That's not legal here
olive garden
could you compete with your company a year after your resignation?
this whole insight, know-how thing is complicated
worn ember
ask erics son
olive garden
no
vernal moth
I would have to check my contract
I think enforcing stuff after I leave is was harder
But like, I can work for competition right after I leave here cause they can't stop me
worn ember
yeah unless you sign some NDA they cant really
vernal moth
I work here of course I signed an NDA, lmao
Maybe it would be gray when I write a product in my free time and sell it to competition once I leave
If they could prove I wrote it while I worked for them they might have an angle to attack
worn ember
just buy them out once it takes off
vernal moth
But like, who cares, I like my company and they like me, if such an opportunity would arise, I would talk to ppl and figure smth out
short yarrow
So while working off a develop/feature branch, have you guys ever broken a feature in a commit because you needed to update something and fixed that broken feature in a later commit?
wispy blade
yes
short yarrow
I could do everything in one commit, but I think breaking up the commits would be nice for smaller commits
worn ember
commit it breaking, commit the fix, then push ig
unless they're tied to the same thing, then you can fix it one commit
wispy blade
commit counter 📈
short yarrow
It sort of is. Like I updated my table structure so the rest of my code needs to update, but I'd like to update it in parts
worn ember
but yeah, doesnt really matter if you dont have people building your src every 5 seconds lol
short yarrow
Yeah definitely not. We only build from the code in master
worn ember
tbh i'd make that its own branch, split it up into its own commits, then merge into dev or master or whatever
short yarrow
Yeah I have a separate feature branch. I definitely don't want broken code in master
worn ember
then yeah, split it up in commits
its more for yourself in case something breaks you can revert it without having to redo half your code
short yarrow
I think I can just squash the commits later as well once everything is done
wispy blade
any vcers
worn ember
pretty sure any sane person doesnt use vscode for java
worn ember
is that a joke?
twin lagoon
no but i also don't know java and starting vscode in wsl is faster and easier than intellij
worn ember
i thought you knew java, but ig ur not a programmer right?
twin lagoon
vscode has amazing wsl integration
worn ember
well it is made by m$
short yarrow
I use vscode for everything except Java
wispy blade
^
potent fossil
no
short yarrow
But then again the only other thing I know is javascript
potent fossil
oh i was scrolled way up
twin lagoon
yeah i don't think i'd use vscode for java if i was doing anything serious with it
lol
potent fossil
was saying 'no' to the 'have you ever pushed a broken feature and fixed it in a later commit'
twin lagoon
ur broken @potent fossil
wispy blade
agreed 🤝
potent fossil
ur broken <@!698668938661331045>
that may be, but soon i will break you
potent fossil
aurora is my assistant
worn ember
some kinky stuff going on here again
potent fossil
my Breaking Assistant
wide chasm
My ban hammer is ready
twin lagoon
stef pls ban simple
wispy blade
600 seconds is 10 minutes right
wide chasm
Yes
potent fossil
600/60 = 10 seems legit
worn ember
math is hard
potent fossil
(I meant that literally, seems very legit)
short yarrow
Well I have a table change, so the broken feature is the part of the code that isn't updated yet and planning to update it in a later commit. I can have one large commit to fix everything though
wispy blade
no i was just second-guessing myself
potent fossil
Well I have a table change, so the broken feature is the part of the code that i...
you can make a few local commits and then squash them into one commit using rebase
i make a lot of wip commits and squash them later, i just don't push a broken feature in one commit and fix it in a later one, i always squash that out
short yarrow
Ah okay I see
wispy blade
i always test if stuff works before i commit B)
wide chasm
I've the problem that I only commit code that works, no matter how small or large it is. Change a typo? One commit. Support a completely different platform? One commit.
worn ember
bad stef
short yarrow
That's what I've usually done as well
potent fossil
Yup. However I commit a lot locally, however remote almost never sees them
short yarrow
Trying something different now though. Breaking changes into smaller commits
Oh okay
potent fossil
I squash and push one
wide chasm
I commit one and push one, I don't do smaller local commits either
potent fossil
Bad stef
worn ember
all or nothing eh
wide chasm
Yes I know
worn ember
i know myself and end up pushing broken code so i push as little as possible in a single commit lol
void void
I'm making myself some coffee
wispy blade
anyway could any of you join my test server to see how slow my plugin really is? :)
i'll dm ip to anybody who's down
left swift
5 vbucks
wispy blade
is 5 diamonds in minecraft also okay?
left swift
No
wispy blade
man
left swift
A
untold meadow
what is your plugin doing? there's bots out there that you could use if it's just stuff like movement/simple commands/whatever
wispy blade
it's logging stuff to a database
mental meadow
sdimple
woven otter
pimple
golden gust
Not the place
void void
I think I will have instant noodles for dinner
left swift
Gratz
potent fossil
I want some pancit canton
left swift
Wat dat
mental meadow
that looks almost tasty
potent fossil
It is tasty
mental meadow
fuck beans or whatever that is
potent fossil
I wouldn't add shrimp to mine, but yea, some ppl do
This one is more my style, chicken in it instead of seafood https://www.manilaspoon.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Pansit2.1-500x375.png
left swift
Is that like candice
worn ember
Hangar wen?
potent fossil
What, exactly, are these IRC bots trying to accomplish https://static.jacobandersen.dev/shared/Cylindrical-Neonbluehermitcrab-e8.png
I mean, in what universe would that ever work
potent fossil
no idea
limber knotBOT
there's got to be an HTML-based client out there
vestal jasper
This one is more my style, chicken in it instead of seafood https://www.manilasp...
make me some of that please
potent fossil
kk i will at papercon
worn ember
doesnt even seem to be a valid url
woven otter
much better than the seafood one
worn ember
potent fossil
yeah that seafood one was just on google images when i searched pancit canton, def not my style
vestal jasper
listen I will never turn down food
worn ember
you will after you've tasted my cooking
vestal jasper
I could eat an entire pizza solo and if you handed me more I'd still eat it
woven otter
entire pizza
left swift
En tyre pizza
potent fossil
I wonder if Josh will eat sisig
It's finely minced (meat choice, pork is very common) served on a sizzling hot plate with a lot of spices, and it's probably easily one of my favorite foods. Very good. Also a fantastic "I'm drunk but need to be sober" meal
potent fossil
olive garden
that's called dinner now drek
worn ember
no? i havent had lunch
olive garden
it's 5pm though
olive garden
but if you eat now (or later) it will be (early) dinner, not lunch
worn ember
ok
olive garden
I'm glad you see the light
vestal jasper
I wonder if Josh will eat sisig
I ate squid pho without hesitation. I will eat almost anything you put in front of me.
left swift
Write it
golden gust
Theres lots of material out there
there are things you would think are stupidly basic concepts which have yet to been solved yet by docker, e.g. config files
The entire ecosystem is basically a bastardisation of what people think is right which often plugs horifically and in the most bastardized manner
welcome to devops
lots, google
nova plume
Oskar didn’t go school smh been playing minecraft for 4 hrs
golden gust
Just you're stepping into a territory where there is 200 different ways to manage things
spinning a docker container up itself is trivial
solving all the other issues like how to deal with configuration is yet to be solved properly
warm anchor
not before you finish homeowork
olive garden
am I?
red pier
of course
golden gust
red pier
Most courses would teach "java" or "c plus' but you have a unique opportunity
golden gust
logic course
You mean, a course dedicated to logic, using a language dedicated to logic..
if it was a general programming course, it would use a general programming language
Heck, I did some cobol
olive garden
we have courses for java, c++, etc
golden gust
never again, but, I did
red pier
Heck, I did some cobol
I am so sorry to hear that
olive garden
I hear the pay's good cat
golden gust
No fucking surprise
red pier
So I will assume the general view on Prolog to be moderately positive
Good
What about Emacs Lisp?
golden gust
you're talking about languages which are pretty niche
at least in the commercial world
.evil
.wildcard
.g import on demand is evil
limber knotBOT
red pier
The niche languages are the best
Java and kotlin are boring
If I had a dollar for every time someone talked about java I would be able to buy java from sun microsystems
red pier
That's unfortunate
golden gust
niche languages are fun but they're often a PITA to get the experience up with them to be able to use them commercially
red pier
That is true but more people using them would mean more demand in the industry
red pier
I am sure there are many mildly successful startups who have used nothing but Nim and Racket in their stack
golden gust
maybe a jobs market boom in 10 years when all those qualified with it fade off even further, but, no company is gonna push a niche language into their stack without good reason, and anybody who does that to a company is a shit dev
wide chasm
uses FiM++ at work
"Now they'll never be able to replace me" /s
red pier
That is the right attitude
undone crest
I have a serious problem, when a player relogs their inventory rolls back at a specific time and even if they throw their items, their stuff comes back to their inventory
red pier
Be the change you want to see
red pier
rewrite the entire codebase into Haskell, take some initiative
undone crest
I just want to know how I can clear all the databases in sqlite
because it doesn't work in terminal like how mysql does it
red pier
sorry for interrupting...
I think you have the wrong channel sir, you may be looking for #paper-help
context?
worn ember
I just want to know how I can clear all the databases in sqlite
delete the db file
peak ginkgo
you know what actually
wsl2 just pissed me off so much im back to windows
intellij is just shitting itself
worn ember
its a known issue
peak ginkgo
Completely freezing up
Random error throwing
I try to use wsl2 for once and it's ruined so never again
worn ember
5weeks
limber knotBOT
my name is dejay and I give up easily
peak ginkgo
correct
upbeat falconBOT
Requested by DeJay#1337 - wsl2 - result 8 of 10
olive garden
yes, most people manage to get it to work
limber knotBOT
I went back on twitter once cuz of pipeline craziness. Got ppl wanting to shame me for suggesting malware can propagate inside of a network. Guess I should've just remained off of it
peak ginkgo
I prefer reboots to dealing with wsl2
nova plume
And GUI support is coming to wsl
peak ginkgo
the only thing wsl is good for is this
nevermind the prompt won't even come up anymore
limber knotBOT
I only reboot for updates, it's normal for me to have weeks of uptime c:
limber knotBOT
don't think I've used wsl2 yet but I've had no issues with wsl1
limber knotBOT
who ordered a geeksquad subscription https://techfortress.azurewebsites.net/ApplicationFrameHost_2021-05-20_08-36-13.png
warm anchor
who ordered a geeksquad subscription https://techfortress.azurewebsites.net/Appl...
isnt that a scam?
worn ember
limber knotBOT
nah no scam at all totally
limber knotBOT
might be useful for dejay
limber knotBOT
428 DOGE
warm anchor
wow very doge!
worn ember
i think they should put the number on there a few more times to make it more convincing
warm anchor
time to call geek squad Dejay 
peak ginkgo
I can't even remove this
worn ember
I can't even remove this
cant you kill it with taskmanager?
limber knotBOT
give 'em a call I'm sure they'd be happy to help
toll free
can use skype to call that number prolly
worn ember
still get charged i think?