wow, PaperMC teams private
#general
brave radish
are they private?
potent fossil
lol
unkempt drift
unkempt drift
well... not private to me, but ya, to public yeah 😏
golden gust
only 3 peeps in our org who are private
void void
oh okay thats weird
i heard some github people say people had hidden activity for the name squatting policy thats why u cant take it
unkempt drift
that could be private repos tho right?
spiral robin
If they have any repos at all, or have ever starred anything, or have any sort of customization done on their profile then they're invalid for taking their username
waxen panther
potent fossil
How abandoned does it have to be?
golden gust
0 activity iirc
unkempt drift
you have have 1 letter? https://github.com/a
only 2012? I thought gh was older than that
golden gust
2008, apparently?
unkempt drift
I kinda find it hard to believe that it took that long for A to be taken...
golden gust
I mean, it's believable for something like github
bearing in mind how niche git woulda been back then
waxen panther
https://blog.anasmazouni.dev/claiming-inactive-github-accounts
this guy managed to get one 11 years later
i will be broccoli in 2028
void void
hmm no private then ok Sadge
brave radish
golden gust
golden gust
just wait till you find out
unkempt drift
should I try to get https://github.com/machinemaker
dude created one repo like the same day they joined
7 years ago
golden gust
their number of commits == your IQ level
unkempt drift
RUDE
void void
LOL
unkempt drift
well... for some reason, I used my no-reply email for commits
130 of them
so... not really sure I'd want to change to just machinemaker
oh wait, I have an ID based no-reply email
so they would transfer over... HMMMM
void void
uhh
okay
wait machine maker
so the github config hosts the no reply emails n stuff right on ur pc
waxen panther
warm anchor
unkempt drift
Im not following you...
void void
uhh
so umm
the git config stores the username and email on your pc right?
and once you delete that file, it's gone
unkempt drift
no, that's just the config for what it uses when you make a commit on your machine
golden gust
the config stores the email and your name that git will use when you do stuff
unkempt drift
yeah
brave radish
you can also have it configured per repo which you might have done accidentally, and it'll still be in commits
void void
hmm so how do I delete the username and email I put in git?
unkempt drift
git doesnt equal github
void void
yeh ik
brave radish
what exactly are you trying to do and why?
void void
just remove it lol?
potent fossil
github is a site that hosts git repos, git is a vcs program. if you pushed data to github using incorrect git config then the only recourse is to rewrite the commit or delete it
golden gust
delete or edit the config file and remove them
golden gust
It's literally in the config file you keep talking about
potent fossil
ok yikes, good luck fellas
golden gust
I'm honestly not sure if you're trolling or being intentionally dense at this point
brave radish
go in ~/.gitconfig and delete it
potent fossil
I'm p sure he's trolling
brave radish
or wherever it is for you cuz I think you use Windows
unkempt drift
does the commit hash use the author email? or is it just author name?
potent fossil
I mean dude forgot his own birthday yesterday
waxen panther
no they're just young
potent fossil
"I'm 15 and I was born 16 years ago."
unkempt drift
basically, I wanna know if I change the email of a bunch of commits, and force push, can you still just pull changes to other repos just fine?
void void
oh okay thanks
I think I get it now
the gitconfig is stored on my pc
and once I delete that it will remove my username and email
from git
brave radish
but not previous stuff or GitHub
unkempt drift
oh ok, so includes all the author info
brave radish
so that's why forks are weird
golden gust
define "weird"
void void
but not previous stuff or GitHub
yeh so thats why i delete the repos to remove all commits
golden gust
if you mean stuff like merging, rebasing, etc, that's pretty much the same with branches
git workflow was never really designed to be super ideal for maintaining a downstream fork
brave radish
not really sure why you're so obsessed with removing your email?
brave radish
if you mean stuff like merging, rebasing, etc, that's pretty much the same with ...
look at cat, thinking I understand branches
ok, Cyle. Stop telling me this.
No friends to invite
now leave my server alone
void void
i mean its not really a big deal lol
merry talon
honestly I never even thought about what went into commit shas
golden gust
I'm surprised that it's basically "all of it"
I mean, it makes sense given that you wouldn't want people to be able to modify stuff like the author in the history
buoyant cairn
Is there a way I can have my server only work on 1.16.x and nothing else without getting the message of an outdated server every time I start the server
wraith trail
Use the latest paper +viabackwards
Staying on an old server version makes little sense
Although using a 1.16-1.16.3 client also doesn't make much sense, but that's how you would do it
buoyant cairn
I would support all versions, but then anything below 1.16 don't get netherite, it's just diamond
Unless there was a way to add netherite support for those version but prolly not
minor badge
viabackwards will probably map netherite to diamond
buoyant cairn
It does
And I've tested it, it basically treats netherite like diamond when your attacking on an older client but like netherite when being attacked
limpid comet
What else did you expect to happen? It can't magically add netherrite to old clients
buoyant cairn
Obvi, that why I want to keep it on 1.16
limpid comet
Wait, I'm confused, why can't you just run the latest 1.16.5 build?
buoyant cairn
Cause 1.16.1-1.16.4 can't join without via backwards
Or that's what I'm lead to believe
limpid comet
Who is playing on those versions? Surely someone wanting to play your server will update to .5 if they're not already on it
Unless you've got a very particular user base lol
buoyant cairn
Myself, who likes using bad lion
buoyant cairn
Turned off, turned on
limpid comet
Double check: you've portforwarded your internal IP on 25565 over TCP?
limpid comet
what internal ip is the server binding to?
warm anchor
BLUELY premium support? pog
buoyant cairn
My ip
vernal moth
buoyant cairn
Weird whenever I put in the server IP I can't connect locally
vernal moth
Because you can't connect to your own public IP
unkempt drift
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/423614864477650945/841849926823706644/Scr...
🤣🤣🤣🤣
That is good stuff
vague minnow
so im thinking about making my 1.16.5 world into and rl craft server, can i save everyones data including inventories e chests and stuff and if so how
wraith oracle
that data is saved in the world's folder so it should be "fine", don't know what rlcraft is though
buoyant cairn
Same error different network
merry talon
netherrite is a bad addition for the game change my mind
wraith oracle
I don't see how it is bad
buoyant cairn
Despite adding more use for gold, better protection, sharper equipment, and giving reasons to be in the nether, also a more powerful beacon
And most Minecraft veterans calling it pog
wraith oracle
it is not really much of an upgrade from diamond armor/tools, but still nice to see that there's at least something better than what you could possibly achieve before
buoyant cairn
Yeah, it was a bad addition, almost as bad as the caves and cliffs, which is making the world much bigger and giving much bigger caves
It's pogs when new ores come in the game
Nether update was pretty revolutionary, gotta admit
And I really like the new piglin dance
wraith oracle
I kinda dislike the new mob they're planning to add tho
the one which uses "sound" to detect you
it's more of a thing I'd have expected from a mod
other than that, the next update is going to be amazing in many ways
I'd love to see more sky-based buildings in the future, I hope the update after 1.17 part 2 (or 1.18, however they're gonna call it) is going to add more stuff to the sky
buoyant cairn
Ngl Minecraft is slowly becoming like rlcraft
wraith oracle
bees were like the most lame addition ever
buoyant cairn
Honey block op
wraith oracle
yeah, but the entity is just uh
buoyant cairn
Chunky bee
wraith oracle
how big are birds gonna be if they ever add them lmao
wraith oracle
oh right, parrots
normal tendon
Hello, what is paperweight?
wraith oracle
that's what they call papergradle now right?
wraith oracle
it's the paper patch system converted to a gradle build environment
So, instead of having the shell scripts they're using now to patch stuff they'd use gradle tasks for it
I am no expert on the matter but that's as far as I can grasp from what I've seen
normal tendon
Awesome
wraith oracle
it's been a rather long time in development, hopefully gets its way into prod some day
wraith oracle
by... mining like all other minerals?
they could have made it harder to get but it isn't like it's that valuable for it to be impossible to find
and even if you find it, you'd still have to find more to actually make use of it so
it's balanced, I don't know
buoyant cairn
Nvm
visual egret
topaz mortar
it's the paper patch system converted to a gradle build environment
Not only. It allows to utilize Mojang Mappings for development and hopefully later at runtime.
topaz mortar
Yeah it not the state that we cannot do it. It's just the fact that the time of the hard fork isn't defined.
frank otter
iirc there's a rebrand
I'm not sure I like it
plus discord adding a load of p2w
I think these are it?
not fully sure, got this from a friend
quasi valley
I'll buy all the pitchforks if there won't be runtime mappings 
frank otter
it's basically legalising things like betterdiscord but for nitro
merry talon
some of these seem very bad if they get it wrong though
thorny totem
and the 100 server limit barrier
merry talon
they need to be very very careful about bloating discord
thorny totem
good thing I'm already nitro (not the classic)
twin lagoon
the more personalization the better
merry talon
I've just been hesitant about anything after they added stickers
I'm assuming these will only be for the $10 tier
I hope they don't remove nitro classic
buoyant cairn
So what's the router everyone's using nowadays
potent fossil
still got a nighthawk r7000
ashen cliff
Anything that supports OpenWRT. 
potent fossil
opensource router firmware
frank otter
oh
ashen cliff
i wanna pimp out with unifi stuff tho
The only decision I regret.
potent fossil
Why
frank otter
me flashing firmware onto our router probably isn't a good idea
potent fossil
dont do it to an isp owned router even if it somehow supports it 
frank otter
I have no other router
ashen cliff
They constantly lock down the hardware more and more and just push broken software updates.
Some devices can't even connect to the UNIFI APs anymore, like ESP32 chips for no apparent reason.
ashen cliff
Bruh moment.
It's one of those things you figure out after you start to actually use it.
half pewter
So what's the router everyone's using nowadays
i got a asus one
ashen cliff
Their controller is also a pain, just randomly disowns devices if you have a firewall enabled and for whatever reason they force you to not only keep the same IP but even the same MAC.
half pewter
🤣
ashen cliff
Even more epic? If you turn off the controller software (since it doesn't have to run 24/7), the APs will ping every IP in the network till they find a controller.
buoyant cairn
Would the different firmware help me avoid the port blocks I have now?
half pewter
idk what yall talking about so im unsure
ashen cliff
About networking hell.
ashen cliff
Asus actually has good router firmware.
buoyant cairn
My jp link served me well, until it stabbed me in the back
half pewter
i had technicolor but it locked some ports lol
ashen cliff
Technicolor.
buoyant cairn
Every day I have to deal with it I hate it more and more
ashen cliff
BRO!
buoyant cairn
I like the ones designed like a spider, made to surf the web /s
half pewter
🤣
ashen cliff
If you don't know the password, you are not qualified to hack your equipment!
Bruh moment.
topaz mortar
that was my issue, need wifi 6 for VR
VR via WIFI isn't that to slow?
merry talon
not with wifi 6
potent fossil
wifi 6 is fast as fuck boiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
merry talon
exactly my point lol
ashen cliff
I like how some people just say AC was slow, it could only hit 300Mbps.
Well no, your cheap AP could only hit 300Mbps because it didn't have MIMO.
Now, you are using a expensive AP and saying how much better it is compared to a 80€ 🗑️.
👏
half pewter
AC?
half pewter
I like how some people just say AC was slow, it could only hit 300Mbps.
Well no,...
lol flex your speeds, here it costs $30 for 100Mbps
in Rumania it costs $30 for 1 Gbps or something
ashen cliff
I pay 130€ for 21/1.
ashen cliff
And the biggest benefit you get on WIFI anyway is for local access. Since NAS devices are becoming much more mainstream now.
potent fossil
NAS 
merry talon
actually 1.5 gig costs $165 CAD
I need a nas but I haven't found a good way to go about it
not going to buy a $600 drive enclosure lol
with the same chip in my smart watch
olive marlin
Nothing stops you from getting a cheap mobo with enough lanes and a CPU and making it yourself in a small enclosure.
I was thinking about doing that, then realized that there's not that much price difference and for all the stuff I get software-wise etc, it wasn't worth it for me.
Only thing I need to do is upgrade the ram.
merry talon
My main problem is what SFF case has more than one or two drive bays
hmm this one looks decent https://www.amazon.ca/SilverStone-Technology-Mini-ITX-Aluminum-CS01S/dp/B012HF4FTC/
minor badge
@olive marlin 
twin lagoon
awa
untold copper
@ashen cliff do you know any way to convert IE from immersive engineering to RF so that I can power AE2 stuff
ashen cliff
Should just work.
ashen cliff
Just connect it.
ashen cliff
Energy Acceptor.
untold copper
this will work
ashen cliff
👏
twin lagoon
hope your modpack has the right settings for you else you're not going to power that ae2 controller with your immersive engineering windmill
lmao
limpid comet
@twin lagoon 
potent fossil
was wondering why WoW was playing hellacious music while i was trying to peacefully do quests. it was running a 2nd instance in the bg that was playing login music 
half pewter
sus
untold copper
hope your modpack has the right settings for you else you're not going to power ...
im not playing my modpack, im playing automaton modpack
olive marlin
Java 16 poggers
limpid comet
is that not huge news
will servers run java 16 or is this just the client bundling 16 instead of 8
ashen cliff
Amazing. Now Paper is technically 
.
limpid comet
luckily, i've already prepared
https://github.com/kadenscott/BingBonk/blob/afc1634fda50a22834f15851406d7839c64a7a36/build.gradle.kts#L37
twin lagoon
oh shit
next frost
LTS releases are the same as other releases for normal people
wide chasm
I mean, bundles felt a bit weird, so it makes sense that they don't want to include it, but what are they gonna change with candles? Those looked finished to me.
ashen cliff
The biggest difference is 8 -> 9 and 15 -> 16.
woven otter
thats what you get for being behind
hopefully it deters even more people from 1.8.8 since i bet many plugin authors won't want to support java 8 plugins but who knows
ashen cliff
Well. Most 1.8.8 plugins can run on 11 and since Paper recommended 11 and people jumped to that... It's going to be fun.
woven otter
i guess java 13+ is death of ugly hacks (hopefully)
split crown
whats the easiest way to prevent people break certain types of blocks? (spawners in my case)
warm anchor
Isn’t breaking spawner vanilla? Would be an ass if I can’t break it 
split crown
im not in vanilla survival, i use custom gen map with dungeons for clan war with my friends, dont want them breaking those spawners
warm anchor
ashen cliff
Did they include a stripped down version of Java 16?
Well. That's it.
So even for the server, 16 is the lowest supported version.
pulsar wigeon
looks like you have a jdk11 setup there?
ashen cliff
Yeah, wanted to see if they also limited the server.
warm anchor
I guess it’s time to update papers warning message?
pulsar wigeon
oh. well yea if they require 16 idk why they'd allow 11 for the client?
quasi valley
inb4 Spigot keeps compiling with 8 
wide chasm
I wouldn't be surprised
warm anchor
pulsar wigeon
i mean, if mojang uses any of the new features spigot'd have to start downgrading source
probably too much effort at that point
topaz mortar
Wouldn't be suprised if md rewrites Mojang stuff to make it compat with Java 8. 😄
quasi valley
I wouldn't be surprised
this 
ashen cliff
No.
wide chasm
No, cause Java 11 doesn't understand Java 16
warm anchor
How to set MC community on fire with one simple trick!
quasi valley
you can now influence what blocks need which tool to be digged faster with tags 
wide chasm
Mojang loves their tags
quasi valley
you have tags like minecraft:needs_stone_tool and minecraft:mineable/shovel
by leaving everything empty you dig stone with a pickaxe as slowly as with your hand
wide chasm
Tags are just list of blocks/items
void void
Hello I am here to ask one question: can you convert a 1.16.4 Bukkit server to a 1.16.5 Paper server without dropping compatibility with the previous .[version] (1.16.4)?
quasi valley
it's just a set of items/blocks/entities/events checked when certain things happen
untold meadow
1.16.4 and 1.16.5 are protocol compatible
so clients can join either with either version
void void
Alright, cool thanks :)
void void
Will paper move to java 16?
mossy vessel
I'm genuinely wondering if they drop a dot version jit when 16 becomes eol
tropic flame
tbh the smart thing would be to have picked an LTS version
golden gust
if mojang moves to 16, we have to move to 16
upbeat kelp
is there a mod which makes the player limit in the server become ???
wraith trail
Use any server list plugin ,there will be an option
upbeat kelp
oh ok
brave radish
yeah people gonna be mad if Mojang moves to 16 or 17 and we tell them they have to upgrade again lol
mossy vessel
If maintenance is a burden for you, better stay off.
brave radish
I'm running 16 anyway 🤷♂️
mossy vessel
Updating from now and then, especially to an LTS, shouldn't hurt you.
Yet I may only update if I am interested in working with a specific JEP lol
brave radish
But did you see the people in #paper-help tryna get 11?
mossy vessel
No, I have the worse channels muted.
Yet, I felt 8->9 more than 8->11
If you have a sane env your server runs in (and follow the guide if you don't know how to update), it's not a biggie at all
brave radish
Well then Windows must not be a sane env 👀
mossy vessel
It's always em windows folks not knowing how to update 
worn ember
did something happen?
mossy vessel
Not speaking of people refusing to update because plugin incompatibilities, but that's something that can be addressed.
brave radish
did something happen?
wym
worn ember
idk i just saw the java version bump being dropped so i figured mojang released something to stir the pot again
worn ember
hot
brave radish
kinda sticky
Paper just went to 11, Mojang can't go to 17 without delaying too long 🤔
Maybe 1.18 be Java 17?
brave radish
I mean they can't bump cuz it's not out yet lol
undone crest
What is the MOTD plugin that 2b2t uses? (the ones that changes every now and then)
brave radish
Wait you can reference a commit by hash on GitHub 
worn ember
yes?
quasi valley
it'll do that automatically if you just put in a link
worn ember
^^
quasi valley
to a pr, an issue, a commit
brave radish
I mean like if you just type a hash, it makes it a link?
worn ember
not sure if you gotta prefix it with # tho
minor badge
na, just type the commit hash and it'll link automatically
brave radish
na, just type the commit hash and it'll link automatically
yeah I saw the comment you just made; that's why I asked
ashen cliff
In other news the abomination hit the funny uptime number: https://timings.aikar.co/?id=2fb907925c9946b4a65b66f6dbd041f9
ember elk
can someone explain to me the advantages of updating to java 16 (other than that it is newer)
brave radish
Mojang is using it in their latest snapshot
untold meadow
support, new features, better implementation, etc
brave radish
So it's required now
ember elk
yeah ik
brave radish
The language itself (not the JVM) has a lot of feature developers stuck on Java 8 and 11 have been missing
untold meadow
from an end-user perspective you won't notice much apart from maybe a slight performance increase but from the dev side of things there are many new features to use
ember elk
a while back I remember hearing something about multithreading shit, i assume that is either false or if it isnt it just wont affect minecraft
brave radish
in java 16?
ember elk
i believe so but it's been months since i've looked into it so not sure
thats why im here lol
minor badge
Neither Valhalla nor Loom are not part of Java 16
granite axle
doesnt mean anything if youre not a dev tbh
minor badge
Threads will still work as you expect, there should be no threading difference
brave radish
Neither Valhalla nor Loom are not part of Java 16
yeah ik but could have been what they heard about
ember elk
dont remember either of those, but thats probably what I saw lol
brave radish
yeah there's no set version for Loom AFAIK
golden gust
threading is pointless if the app itself doesn't make use of threading
things like loom just offer what is basically a cheaper form of threading through basically "emulating" them
vernal moth
Projects don't deliver on a special release, they deliver multiple jeps for multiple releases
visual egret
In other news the abomination hit the funny uptime number: https://timings.aikar...
Mine died @ 700 hours
brave radish
so anyway, no, nothing in Java 16 or Loom to do with multithreading affects Minecraft
vernal moth
Mojang will most likely use records for packets
The refactor as prep was already done a few snapshots back
brave radish
Just a shame we can't get 17 in time
vernal moth
They will most likely bump for every release if possible
brave radish
Probably
vernal moth
So every mc release will have a new java version
brave radish
Or at least bump to 17 and stay there
vernal moth
Because both release twice a year
brave radish
won't stay 16 for long
brave radish
Anyway, I just want them on 17 so they'll make it native on Apple Silicon
17 is going to be native and lwjgl has some beta builds for it
brave radish
Yes, but was hoping Mojang would do it for me so I don't have to deal with getting the natives for lwjgl and putting them in place myself
Plus if the launcher still runs in Rosetta (which it does at the moment), its subprocesses will use the Intel half of the fat binaries
So I'd have to launch myself, which isn't hard, but a bit more annoying
vernal moth
That's what you get for being beta tester
vernal moth
I was referring to M1 being a beta
brave radish
Not my computer anyway lol
am waiting for M2/M3/M1X Pro or whatever they come up with
Hopefully with 32GB of RAM 🥺
brave radish
Imagine not having a processor the speed of light
vernal moth
Mine is plenty fast last I checked benchmarks
brave radish
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Apple-M1-8-Core-3200-MHz-vs-Intel-Pentium-G3220-vs-Intel-i5-7360U/4104vs2020vs3036
The i5 is my 2017 MBP, the Pentium is this poor old computer that's really lame but runs Paper well enough
The M1 beats like every processor I've seen people using here
potent fossil
brave radish
is that your computer?
potent fossil
mine is 6700k yea
brave radish
Yearly Running Cost | $2.76 | $17.34
potent fossil
ik wtf lmao
the 8750H is what i believe is in my current macbook pro (2018 15 inch)
potent fossil
im not pulling it out just to check that
potent fossil
I used to but the battery started swelling and cracked the chassis, so I had it repaired by Apple (for free, cause they were embarassed or smth idfk "it'll be free b/c quality assurance program sir uwu") and now I'm afraid to keep it on a dock 24/7 again
And yes I am
brave radish
I used to but the battery started swelling and cracked the chassis, so I had it ...
they're actually pretty cheap to replace yourself
vernal moth
brave radish
Difficult, but cheap compared to making Apple do it
vernal moth
Ooops
potent fossil
yeah but it had destroyed the chassis so i got a whole new backplate and new screen and touchpad
brave radish
ah
I had one that was horribly bent out of shape by the battery. Replacing it and bending it back made it good as new
Apple said that even if it worked the trackpad would stay broken (you couldn't click it, only tap) but it does
worn ember
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Apple-M1-8-Core-3200-MHz-vs-Intel-i7-6700K-...
nice value for your money kappa
other than that, impressive
brave radish
and the M1 still kills that Ryzen in single thread
olive marlin
I wonder what is the requirement for running this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1IcaBn3ej0
vernal moth
nice value for your money kappa
I didn't pay that price, lmao
brave radish
minecraft servers on m1 wen
now
vernal moth
Never, lol
topaz mortar
And the M1x/M2 (M1 with twice the hpc) will kill the Ryzen 9 3950x
brave radish
Run the 17 EA builds, Simple, and, together, you and your Mac will create the most powerful server in the world!!
vernal moth
Doubt
brave radish
Now imagine that read in a dramatic voice on a tv show
vernal moth
In real world applications and not benchmarks
cunning raft
yeah
brave radish
Ok, play Minecraft
worn ember
the difference in power consumption is impressive tho
cunning raft
right that's just arm tho
vernal moth
Who cares?
potent fossil
Run the 17 EA builds, Simple, and, together, you and your Mac will create the mo...
u wot
cunning raft
and nobody cares about that
upper flicker
Everyone on a laptop cares
worn ember
less power draw = less heat and longer battery life lol
brave radish
and nobody cares about that
less power = less heat, and that's something people care about whether laptop or not
cunning raft
yeah on laptops but like you don't expect full performance on laptops either
vernal moth
Sorry for those but I do real work
potent fossil
lolwut.jpg
upper flicker
Given laptops out sell desktops tremendously I’d say a lot of people care
god and people call me a boomer
cunning raft
sure yes yes i meant for desktop
people care about thermals, power, etc on laptop yes
worn ember
i almost scorch my balls sitting next to my desktop tower lol
brave radish
If the M1 is faster and less power consumption, what are you complaining about?
upper flicker
u wat
brave radish
You just doubt the "faster" part?
cunning raft
faster is misleading
there are workloads and benchmarks where it preforms better sure
upper flicker
Faster is only misleading because it’s vague and there’s more than one way to quantify it
it certainly is eating lunch in single thread, benchmarks and real world
If your workload is multithreaded hurrr durrrr ofc not
brave radish
@ mini what "real work" would you not want to do on an M1?
(ignoring that you don't like macOS)
worn ember
programming for a blockgame
brave radish
programming for a blockgame
a singlethreaded blockgame
worn ember
programming for a sphere game
topaz mortar
When you can squash double or triple amount of cores with the same heat/power consumption it's a big advantage.
upper flicker
I haven’t seen Java code compilation tests
potent fossil
i mean his work is in insurance tech, but i dont see why the m1 couldn't more than handle it
upper flicker
But m1 is doing an excellent job with rust and c++
brave radish
and Electron
potent fossil
Yeah I did just watch a massive rust compilation vid the other day
upper flicker
gross
potent fossil
I think it was rust anyway
upper flicker
Apples lust for stupid thin means it’s not some godly desktop chip, ofc it isn’t
given how many desktops actually get sold anymore though… can’t say I blame them for putting that market second
potent fossil
But there will be one soon 
worn ember
at least it'll not burn your lap
upper flicker
Then again AMDs latest laptop chips were giving it a run for battery life too.
Though I think pricing and availability is worse atm
anyway, there’s lots of good stuff in this segment and the poo pooing it over stupid shit or saying “laptops can’t do real work” just makes you look like an idiot
brave radish
Spigot being DM spammed
upper flicker
Also electron is still bad
brave radish
Why am I even in that server
upper flicker
Thanks for coming to my Ted talk
brave radish
Not my app lol
ashen cliff
First thing people do with AyyMD laptops: "How to remove the powerlimit?".
worn ember
Not my app lol
just turn of dms
brave radish
why'd you reply to that?
I meant the thing I was building with Electron wasn't my app
brave radish
Also electron is still bad
cuz Z said this
upper flicker
AMD: tries to improve battery life and efficiency
Users: yeah but how do I turn this into a tethered space heater for a 4% bump in specific workloads
brave radish
Mini has yet to tell us what "real work" he can't do with an M1...
worn ember
i mean compiling forge on my desktop takes about 3 minutes, i'm sure it would be a bunch longer on my (or any) laptop
brave radish
Compilation ✅
Decompilation ✅
Video ✅
Browsing ✅
Minecraft server ✅
Minecraft client ✅
what else could it not do?
worn ember
have a proper keyboard 
brave radish
buy one
upper flicker
they did fix the keyboards at some point
brave radish
an also the M1 doesn't only come in MacBooks
brave radish
I get more FPS in Minecraft with Rosetta on the M1 than on a 2020 MBP
upper flicker
compared to what
worn ember
upper flicker
oh I misread that lol
worn ember
i always knew it was IBM
cunning raft
Compilation ✅
Decompilation ✅
Video ✅
Browsing ✅
Minecraft server ✅
Minecraft ...
you do understand there are things it can't do, not saying the m1 isn't impressive nor do I know what mini was talking about. you have to be careful when you make statements like this, you did this yesterday when talking about airplane and purpur
worn ember
brave radish
you do understand there are things it can't do, not saying the m1 isn't impressi...
uhh I asked what it can't do
and listed things I've used it for
upper flicker
it cant do plenty
it is an impressive chip that seems to get a lot of hate because le apple reeeee
but its not a god chip
cunning raft
^
brave radish
and what are you complaining about with Airplane and Purpur?
worn ember
it cant fly, it cant swim, it cant run a marathon, it cant declasify your browser history
potent fossil
true nature
brave radish
but its not a god chip
ok, but, for actual normal use, what would people use it for that it can't do?
worn ember
who's true nature?
brave radish
I mean maybe you don't want it in a datacenter
cunning raft
and what are you complaining about with Airplane and Purpur?
you made a similar argument yesterday which didn't make sense at all when comparing airplane and purpur without understanding below surface level about either
upper flicker
that gets into the weeds a lot because I dont even know what regular people do anymore
brave radish
you made a similar argument yesterday which didn't make sense at all when compar...
which was?
upper flicker
I know people who use ipad pros all day in more of a project manager role
brave radish
that gets into the weeds a lot because I dont even know what regular people do a...
lol
upper flicker
and theyre super thrilled with it
then again I know plenty of developers who cant do that
so
I try not to make vague statements about "Regular computing"
upper flicker
coke v pepsi fight
worn ember
we all know coke already won
brave radish
I want a macOS iPad 😕
potent fossil
worn ember
water you doing
potent fossil
wat
worn ember
er
potent fossil
k am goin 2 sleep bai
ashen cliff
First say that the M1 sucks and instantly go to sleep.
ashen cliff
Let's just put a 5950X into a ultrabook.
upper flicker
have the gaming laptops gotten any of those chips yet
need my space heating laptop
ashen cliff
3950X yes. But AyyMD said that they are going to shoot anyone that try to put a desktop 5xxx CPU into a laptop.
cunning raft
my green space heater, not using oil and using electricity
upper flicker
pffffffft we dont listen to what ayymd wants
worn ember
have the gaming laptops gotten any of those chips yet
asus has one with a ryzen 9
viral hornet
So, how badly will plugins break from Java 8 -> 16? Also epic that Mojang are doing that 
ashen cliff
Daily reminder that this epic video exist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDHuurdr67A
worn ember
plz no bash my head in
upper flicker
assuming they ran on 11, and most of them not doing obscenely stupid shit did
cunning raft
So, how badly will plugins break from Java 8 -> 16? Also epic that Mojang are do...
if you're using internal apis a lot but otherwise backwards compat has and still is a thing
upper flicker
itll be the change to block illegal access by default that get smost
and that should still not be a ton of them
but may hit some of the "technical" ones
cunning raft
oh right final is actually final now
upper flicker
it can be turned off and back to Java 11 warns, for now, with some startup args
who knows how long that lasts though
unsafe still there because duh its unsafe so that should help
brave radish
@cunning raft do you care to explain what I'm saying that's wrong, or do you just want to say I don't understand and walk away?
viral hornet
if you're using internal apis a lot but otherwise backwards compat has and still...
Yeah, wasn't sure about how backwards compatible it would be because of the large difference in versions
cunning raft
<@!194473148161327104> do you care to explain what I'm saying that's wrong, or d...
you made claims about the safeness of an airplane patch that was dropped and readded by purpur when I'm positive you have no actual understanding of how the patch worked
brave radish
you made claims about the safeness of an airplane patch that was dropped and rea...
Oh you're talking about that
I asked if that's the patch you were speaking of yesterday but you didn't answer so I didn't continue
cunning raft
and then you said purpur was better because of "support"
brave radish
and yeah, Purpur has that patch disabled unless the user turns it on
brave radish
and then you said purpur was better because of "support"
as opposed to Airplane, not Paper
never said anything about Paper support
cunning raft
i wasn't talking about paper either
brave radish
always helped me
brave radish
i wasn't talking about paper either
oh ok
so the thing you're fussing at me for is not liking the support model of one fork?
or saying that a disabled patch wasn't unsafe?
brave radish
well you said that Purpur was bringing back unsafe patches
wild escarp
it isn’t for the 50 % of servers it worked for
brave radish
which is plain false
Because A. it doesn't always cause problems and B. it was disabled
upper flicker
it isnt false
cunning raft
seems like the yatopia excuse
tawdry girder
they were probably also referring to how it's disabled by default
upper flicker
just because the user can choose to not use it doesnt mean its a good idea to have it
certainly doesnt invalidate any issues with it when even the author says not to use it
an author who is far more familiar with it then they are
tawdry girder
a big factor in its removal was to stop the patch from being used as a defamation tactic as seen here
yet people still love bringing it up
brave radish
Either way, to say that Purpur brings back unsafe patches without saying that it's disabled is "false" enough
cunning raft
i mean you can pretend that's what you meant yesterday but we both know you weren't talking about that
upper flicker
a bigger factor in the author removing that patch was that he knew it was bad and didnt want people using it
purpur putting it back is vouching for it
and given that "only 50% have problems"
I'd say it isnt worth vouching for
I cant imagine doing something like that in paper
upper flicker
who cares
spiral robin
Hello
worn ember
doing something in paper
nice joke 😉
upper flicker
it's shipped with their software for users to use
it being disabled is just a bad excuse
if thats the hill you want to die on so be it, but it's a sad hill
"we include this feature but we dont intend you to use it!"
brave radish
well, again, to say that Purpur brings back unsafe patches, if not plain false, is clearly a wrong thing to say
upper flicker
its a matter of perspective, I will grant you that
but I cant say I entirely disagree
upper flicker
when talking about forks I would expect to be informed of all features and the decisions that go into them
I would want to know about this
brave radish
to say "They bring back unsafe patches" would be like saying "Tuinity's light engine is unstable" if it had been disabled while not ready but still there
upper flicker
Tuwunity's light engine isnt even in the same ball park though
50% reliability is a joke
that's such a poor comparison
brave radish
but it's not like "flip a coin; it'll work 50% of the time"
it's more "it'll work in some setups"
cunning raft
airplane's was disabled by default too but it has the words "improves performance" as a comment and nothing about stability
and starlight works all the time
please stop comparing the too
upper flicker
its really more "It might work for you, we dont know, we dont really have any advice for you, try it and see"
brave radish
and starlight works all the time
I said "while not ready" for a reason
tawdry girder
I do admit that the config option was misleading, we were going to take care of it but never got around to
upper flicker
which is bad considering what it could do
and no amount of bringing in every random dev to argue will change that
brave radish
I didn't say "hey devs, come argue" lol
upper flicker
that's fair
cunning raft
I said "while not ready" for a reason
there is a difference between shipping something as disabled and keeping something locked in a dev branch
brave radish
did you read what I said?
cunning raft
leaf doesn't push code disabled or not until its been tested to hell and back
brave radish
I said "if it had been disabled but still there"
brave radish
there is a difference between shipping something as disabled and keeping something locked in a dev branch
cunning raft
mhm
brave radish
I said "if it had been disabled but still there" as in "if it hadn't been in a dev branch, but in a config"
cunning raft
but it wasn't
worn ember
bruh why is this still going on
cunning raft
your analogy isn't useful
worn ember
you guys might aswel go talk to a brick wall, neither is gonna change their stance on it
tawdry girder
bruh why is this still going on
stubbornness
cunning raft
you could say "IF tuinity pushed an update that blew up all your worlds with tnt on startup but it was a disabled config option" but that wouldn't change the reality that it would never and has never happened
brave radish
yeah, I could say that, if I were using it as a hypothetical analogy
brave radish
you guys might aswel go talk to a brick wall, neither is gonna change their stan...
Well I don't appreciate JRoy here coming out telling me I have no understanding of what I'm talking about for no real reason
tawdry girder
brave radish
^ just don't have nitro
formal turret
Fork drama
cunning raft
yeah idk what i expected
if you're strawmanning that hard and can't even see it idk man
upper flicker
cunning raft
oh god Tenebrous
waxen schooner
lol
golden gust
.minecraft thou
upper flicker
have no idea who that is
limber knotBOT
upper flicker
but blockgame drama never gets old
tawdry girder
nor does it ever end
cunning raft
remember the MC exploit that let you see if a file exists on a system with resource pack shit?
worn ember
wtf why do i need to verify my age using a credit card or id 
thanks google
cunning raft
well when that came out tene made some fear mongering video about how it would let a server read the contents of files and steal all your passwords and told everyone to change their mojang password because of it
worn ember
dumbasses online, what else is new
left swift
Ur face
waxen schooner
worn ember
waxen schooner
lol
wraith trail
congrats on yatopia developer!
limpid comet
more gifs more gifs
spiral robin
Silence yatopia dev
waxen schooner
oh no, I've been exposed
limpid comet
silence tab reborn dev
waxen schooner
look, I only joined because I got bored and wanted something to do
formal turret
Ya bombardy is gonna turn it into a respectable fork
waxen schooner
doubt there's much I'll even be able to do to it tbh
olive marlin
Finished your Krypton?
waxen schooner
nowhere near
undone crest
waxen schooner
just gets a bit boring from time to time and wanted something else to do lol
upper flicker
more power to you, best of luck w/ it
worn ember
just gets a bit boring from time to time and wanted something else to do lol
didnt know you worked at the fire department to put out dumpster fires
waxen schooner
thinking about forks, I've been meaning to get involved somewhere in the tree anyway
tried Paper, but I'm just not up to the same standard as you guys
visual egret
The latest snapshot, Minecraft 21w19a, which is well on the way to Minecraft 1.17, now requires Java 16 or above
rip
waxen schooner
how is that a rip?
limpid comet
oskar that is a massive dub
visual egret
half the plugins on earth break
brave radish
that's a 🥳
visual egret
without the flag
brave radish
so? make them update
waxen schooner
well that's their problem
visual egret
but i use j16 on my dev server anyways
wide chasm
Which plugins do actually break? I've been running J16 on a test server and major stuff like WorldEdit and Multiverse work fine for me
visual egret
i know its a dub, i love java 16 myself
worn ember
i wonder if i would get banned from forge if i ask what their plans are for j16
formal turret
Goodbye nms hackery :[
limpid comet
helllo better apis!
drowsy urchin
I see that Minecraft bumped the default Java version to 16 which is kind of weird to me because it's not a LTS release. I wonder if they will switch to Java 17 when that comes out?
visual egret
i wonder if i would get banned from forge if i ask what their plans are for j16
ill test for u x
golden gust
https://youtu.be/0z7p0oM4_RM?t=119 just, eerm... sharing this again...
waxen schooner
i wonder if i would get banned from forge if i ask what their plans are for j16
are they really that bad?
brave radish
I see that Minecraft bumped the default Java version to 16 which is kind of weir...
Probably. Hopefully. If not, probably in 1.18
upper flicker
Mojang doesnt have to care whether its an LTS release or not.
golden gust
I mean
wide chasm
I see that Minecraft bumped the default Java version to 16 which is kind of weir...
Possibly? They don't really have a reason not to.
worn ember
idk, they're really passive agressive lol
drowsy urchin
Oh
golden gust
they get annoyed by people asking stupid questions
upper flicker
they release roughly two versions a year
they can just keep bumping it with every release
golden gust
What do you think they're gonna do?
waxen schooner
they get annoyed by people asking stupid questions
ah fair
upper flicker
and they dont ship java updates now
golden gust
They either follow the change or close up
upper flicker
most of their playerbase is on 8u51
think it was u51
so they're already way out of date as it is
I would guess theyll just bump it as needed with new releases
vernal moth
That was a different reason tho
upper flicker
I wouldnt expect them to ever keep it up to date
unless it actually fixes a problem theyre having
there's no reason for them to
worn ember
it breaks with newer java versions, thats why they still recommend 8, so they'd have to fix those first
upper flicker
no mid-cycle bump from 16 to 16.0.1 or whatever
brave radish
it breaks with newer java versions, thats why they still recommend 8, so they'd ...
what does?
upper flicker
bar any "this JVM causes some race condition that causes crashes if I xyz"
worn ember
forge gradle, but idk if that matters for mods tho
brave radish
doesn't even do 11?
golden gust
I thought part of their whole rewriting was to get away from depending on 8
vernal moth
Isn't forge gradle really outdated?
worn ember
idk the details but every run configuration explicitly uses j8
olive garden
🤮
vernal moth
They knew it was comeing
worn ember
i think the bumped it to a new gradle version but other than that i dont think much changed
golden gust
FG 4 supports 8 - 15
worn ember
hm not sure why its forces j8 for the client and server then
probably to rule out inconsistencies or something
olive garden
probably because it doesn't like you
worn ember
i mean, it makes sense if mc is j8 to target j8
swift sorrel
hi i have a problem with my server and i need to turn on piston duplicator can someone help me ?
wraith trail
swift sorrel
thx
pale hinge
hi guys, i need help
i have a bungee server + a lobby with login security + a survival on the same machine. survival has bungee mode on. but today someone could login directly to my survival world with internal IP: [Server thread/INFO]: sonoffoes[/1.1.1.1:2601] logged in
and he destroyed everything
do you have any idea how to prevent it?
he shouldnt be able to connect to the survival server directly, but as it seems, somehow he could.
limpid comet
your internal ip was exposed
pale hinge
he chose a name very similar to mine (im op)
limpid comet
ensure whatever port your survival server is running on isn't exposed to the internet
pale hinge
but i try to connect to the survival by using my internal ip + port
and i get an error because it has bungee mode on
so how did he do it?
ashen cliff
The "If you wish to enable IP forwarding, please enable it in your BungeeCord config as well!" msg doesn't prevent people with clients or other Bungee instances from connecting.
limpid comet
not exposing your survival server's port
you should have your firewall set up to prevent this
pale hinge
i dont have firewall but i use tpcshield
meager tusk
The "If you wish to enable IP forwarding, please enable it in your BungeeCord co...
Least intelligent Slovenian
visual egret
i dont have firewall but i use tpcshield
that means someone got your backend ip, tcpshield is effectively useless (in this case)
meager tusk
Yes bro!
ashen cliff
You found the VOLVO 240 YET?
meager tusk
Bro. Why else would I be absent for so long?!
ashen cliff
That's a no then.
pale hinge
thanks for all the answers. i will request changing my backend ip, but probably they will be able to find it easily again.
ashen cliff
Anyway, I need that Volvo 240.
meager tusk
Anyway, I need that Volvo 240.
You're in luck bro.
Just found one. Painting it with Slovenian colors just for you bro.
ashen cliff
At least it's not in an active war zone.
ashen cliff
Because we have to go there to pick up someone.
Just need to wait for @vale rune to show up.
No EU PASUŠ and all that.
meager tusk
Fact!
shell vine
thanks for all the answers. i will request changing my backend ip, but probably ...
ppl do scans looking for unprotected bungee backend servers, firewall it off
left swift
I will try to find it bro. 2 OF THEM!!
U get 2 bro u can breed them and start a Volvo 240 farm!
left swift
Just some elbow grease bro!
ashen cliff
That's not the problem.
left swift
Someone painted your license plate bro!
I need to hire a pen tester for my offline 1.8 pvp anarchy server with lootcrates
The server keeps saying I login bro but I'm for sure i know i was sleeping bro!
Am I sleep griefing?!?!?!
untold copper
imagine using offline mode :P
pale hinge
ppl do scans looking for unprotected bungee backend servers, firewall it off
thanks!
twin lagoon
Bro!
twin lagoon
.java11
limber knotBOT
Follow the guides for how to update to Java 11 here: https://gist.github.com/Proximyst/67615353e2575a71faaff3f7ae9cc2b4
warm anchor
We need
ashen cliff
Not Java 17.
warm anchor
.java16 now
left swift
Ur wat
lime current
is timing really important? I mean is there anyway it can give unresponsible people an OP or Console access?
brave radish
wat
warm anchor
Wut
brave radish
why would you do that?
why would you even want to do that?
and what does that have to do with "timing?"
warm anchor
Wait I think I decipher his question
He’s asking if timing run risk of giving random people op
lime current
yeah, My server timings somehow got leaked
warm anchor
Also wut
lime current
sorry im not a fluent english speaker
brave radish
yeah, My server timings somehow got leaked
oh that's fine
They're meant to be leaked lol
warm anchor
Anyone with op can generate a report
brave radish
It does have a plugin list, so, if you have a plugin with security problems, they could exploit it, but that's it
Other than that, there is no sensitive information in timings whatsoever
@ashen cliff they kinda are lol
ashen cliff
No.
brave radish
They're meant to be posted, at least
ashen cliff
Depends again.
brave radish
I think when Aikar made v2 he knew no one was gonna read the reports themselves
ashen cliff
If that was the case, there would be no tutorial on how to read it.
brave radish
That doesn't mean he didn't want people to read them
But I'm pretty sure he knew that people would rather just have us do it
ok fine
not "no one" was gonna read the reports themselves
"1%"
left swift
I read receipts
tepid ridge
Other than that, there is no sensitive information in timings whatsoever
In an anarchy environment it can be used to locate things within a 256x256 areas if it has block entites in in. But yeah, in general they are ment to be read
Or to locate online players within the same radius
brave radish
True. I suppose there is some info that could be leaked, but a definite "no" to the question "can it give random people op?"
except for the plugin thing, which I already mentioned
tepid ridge
Oh geeze didn't see that, yeah other than some locations of loaded things, timings can't do anything like that lol
upper flicker
the only sure way to get op is to say youre from PMC
tepid ridge
My daddy is Bill Gates
tepid ridge
^ would be more likely to fall for this one
left swift
the only sure way to get op is to say youre from PMC
I'm here from PMC to review your discord, can you give me OP so I can fly around and take screenshots?
frank otter
just ask for @fallen agate
goddamnit
<@&555843323986706442>
I forgot the syntax
BTW if that actually pinged anyone I didn't mean it to pls don't ban
vernal moth
@ mods
frank otter
discord syntax is funkie
visual egret
poggies new plugin released \o/
tepid turtle
<@!> is for users
<@&> is for roles