why is paper faster than normal minecraft'
#general
gentle frigate
visual egret
why is paper faster than normal minecraft'
because normal minecraft isnt fast
pretty much best way to explain it
gentle frigate
yes it is
brave radish
Paper optimizes things. That's kinda it. You can look at the list of patches for specifics
Or the config files for some of the more important optimizations
gentle frigate
ok
visual egret
why are there like 50 roles for moderator here lol
left swift
Oskar snoopin
olive garden
why are there like 50 roles for moderator here lol
gotta have redundancies
gentle frigate
16M?
wide chasm
One is for pinging, one is for color, one is for actual permissions
gentle frigate
thats 3
visual egret
and the other one is for show on the right?
cunning raft
?
visual egret
wide chasm
The red one is both for the user list and the color, yes
visual egret
ah nice
gentle frigate
what
visual egret
what?
gentle frigate
whay
visual egret
whatever
gentle frigate
whar
visual egret
If im making a config file with customisable messages, would i order for type (eg: errors, info, warnings) or command (eg: command1, command2)?
olive marlin
Depends on how you intend it to be used and what you'll have there.
But most times I'd probably search first for a certain command first, and then for all configs for it.
left swift
Why make them separate
gentle frigate
how to make a paper plugin
gentle frigate
well i have been making some spigot plugins for about 3-4 months
visual egret
ah
all you need is to do the same as you would with a spigot plugin, but change your dependencies and repos to paper-api
unkempt drift
api is mostly the same, just a bunch of additional stuff, and the adventure library (thats on the api end)
wraith trail
.api
limber knotBOT
unkempt drift
god its so ugly tho
olive marlin
Yeah, I think Mini wanted to either restyle it or change the tool he uses?
But Hangar wen? 🙂
broken rampart
god its so ugly tho
that's 11/10 design, what are you talking about
unkempt drift
ya, ive been slacking off on the hangar situation
been doing a bunch of paper prs tho
visual egret
hangar wen doe
unkempt drift
contribute to it, and it goes faster 🙂
vivid egret
Minecraft just updated to java 16 from java 8 (in the latest snapshot)
And now spigot paper and all of that should be problem in java 16
idk maybe I am wrong but something telling me its gonna be a headache
visual egret
ill make sure to rewrite hangar backend in kotlin then 
unkempt drift
although, I do think that if I hadn't started contributing to it wayyy back in the beginning, I'd be too intimidated to start now.
vivid egret
Minecraft just updated to java 16 from java 8 (in the latest snapshot)
And now s...
unless paper is already on java 16
wraith trail
paper already works fine on 16
vivid egret
oh
wraith trail
at least the current version
untold meadow
won't be a headache apart from plugins that do janky shit
vivid egret
noice
wraith trail
early 1.16 version won't
visual egret
some plugins dont work
untold meadow
but that's their headache
vivid egret
won't be a headache apart from plugins that do janky shit
yeah lmao
visual egret
but this works perfectly fine
untold meadow
most big ones are fine
unkempt drift
well, I did have to update luckperms on my test server
worn ember
kneny is java magic man
unkempt drift
didnt work at first, but latest works fine
ashen cliff
Even Paper 1.8.8 supports Java 16.
worn ember
i still have luckperms break on reloads which really annoying on my test server
also related to reflection stuff
worn ember
excuse me thats illegal
vivid egret
excuse me thats illegal
lol
brave radish
_Even Paper 1.8.8 supports Java 16._
does it? I mean I'm sure it does in reality, but doesn't it error?
brave radish
cool
olive marlin
I think you need to disable native epoll and it works fine?
wraith trail
paperclip won't work either
wraith trail
or actually maybe it will there, just not the one shipped with 1.9-1.10
brave radish
Someone asked me for 1.8 one day and I said no cuz there was no java 8 package in the Ubuntu archives and I didn't know about adoptopenjdk
Maybe it doesn't work with 1.8 Spigot 🤔
but testing would require using BuildTools, so no thanks
visual egret
as if anything works with 1.8 spigot
ashen cliff
On 1.8, no. 1.8.4+, yes.
worn ember
If you think about it, hiring minors as moderators is child labor 
brave radish
hmm
worn ember
and they're not even getting paid most of the time
brave radish
so then it's child volunteers
worn ember
left swift
It isnt labor if they want to do it on their own terms 
worn ember
It isnt labor if they want to do it on their own terms <:riesmug:788407255456284...
still no mana
nub, git gud
visual egret
no is mana??? waat
poetry is so boring and easy why do we need to write paragraphs upon paragraphs about how some war photographer feels like
untold meadow
tbf, assuming this is the gcse english lit poetry, you're reading boring poetry
frigid ferry
https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/minecraft-snapshot-21w19a Java 16 aww shit here we go again
visual egret
again
haughty bear
rate time/season/temperature wind speed/weather display
visual egret
thats sexy
haughty bear
no its a bossbar
visual egret
its still sexy
now we need shader implementation so that the values are accurate on the client 😎
haughty bear
bro
visual egret
What, Bro!
coarse lily
rate time/season/temperature wind speed/weather display
Is that with a resource pack or a plugin?
untold meadow
"power and conflict"
yeh it absolutely sucks
haughty bear
my own
its not for release yet
but it is cool
does stuff like dynamically registering biomes with different grass colors for different seasons
coarse lily
You going to open source it or sell it?
granite salmon
POG java 16
haughty bear
coarse lily
I haven't messed with boss bars at all. I thought they all had the actual "bar" part.
haughty bear
I removed it using a resource pack
that's the only resource pack edit I've done (in relation to the plugin)
unkempt drift
using resource packs isnt a bad thing?
haughty bear
you can remove the boss bar (you will just lose fog)
unkempt drift
isnt resource pack enforcing coming in 1.17?
haughty bear
haughty bear
isnt resource pack enforcing coming in 1.17?
"enforcing"
untold meadow
yup
visual egret
whenever i update my plugins from now on i make sure gh actions has j16 to work with
coarse lily
It's not necessarily bad. But I was thinking more on the limits of the plugin vs resource packs.
I didn't think you could remove the bar portion without a resource pack
haughty bear
the only use for the resource pack here is to hide the boss bar
coarse lily
Which is why I was curious and asked
haughty bear
I think i've done quite a lot just using vanilla stuff
vernal moth
We worked with mojang to make source pack selection and forcing for servers much easier
coarse lily
Yeah I'm not saying your thing isn't cool at all
vernal moth
For both users and servers it's now way nicer
vernal moth
Took some iterations to get there, lol
haughty bear
the plugin is open source but there's barely any documentation or whatever, and no spigot page
since it's not designed for spigot
paper hard fork wen
coarse lily
Ha
visual egret
paper hardfork would be a great
uh
late april fools joke hahahaha
release hardfork now!!11!11
void void
Good evening, I would like to present to you my new API for network transmission in Java,
without dependency and weighing only 39Kb, but which seems quite complete:
https://github.com/360matt/Sokeese
left swift
Cool
visual egret
that looks cool
left swift
Is this paid feedback
vestal jasper
Wait how'd you hide the progress bar
left swift
I want to be paid in minecraft rank colors
visual egret
resource pack
vestal jasper
makes sense
haughty bear
I just removed the empty white bossbar
made it transparent
also I'm proud of this timeline
vernal moth
Seems overkill, most ppl just use a proper message queue nowadays
void void
vernal moth
What do you use for serialization @void void?
void void
What do you use for serialization <@456226577798135808>?
The native java serialization system
vestal jasper
prob 0 width space or smth
void void
we can send serialized object natively with java socket api
wraith trail
Can't send that as a non mod/selfbot
coarse lily
This GH page has more helpful readme and howto info than 90% of all Minecraft projects combined.
visual egret
Can't send that as a non mod/selfbot
you can?
haughty bear
void void
I'm not using a selfbot KEKw
vernal moth
The native java serialization system
Uffff
haughty bear
just did
vestal jasper
yeah you can just copy/paste the message with a vanilla client and it works
just tested
vernal moth
Java serialization api is horrible and insecure and on the list of stuff in java to burn with fire
vestal jasper
so prob some char that discord forgot to sanitize
vernal moth
(added there by the java developers that wrote it)
twin lagoon
@vestal jasper uwu
vestal jasper
@twin lagoon uwu
twin lagoon
left swift
Maybe its insecure because you guys always call it horrible mini you ever think about that
chilly arrow
void void
Java serialization api is horrible and insecure and on the list of stuff in java...
We just have to make sure that the objects we send can be recognized by the recipient, so that it has the same class in the same package
chilly arrow
*** ***
vernal moth
Sorry, I am a professional mobber nomana
left swift
vernal moth
We just have to make sure that the objects we send can be recognized by the reci...
My point is that javas serialization api had countless CVEs, some including RCE
void void
What is CVE and RCE ?
coarse lily
CVE == Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures
left swift
Spam faster
vernal moth
At work we get attacked frequently with malformed cookies to trigger RCEs (remote code execution) in java serialization
vernal moth
All caught by our web application firewall thankfully (even tho we arent exposed like that thankfully)
void void
I tried to send Runnables by socket but without success ...
the Runnable created is necessarily an expansion of the base Runnable object,
so the recipient must already have the code on his JVM in the same class as it is on the sender side
visual egret
my question is why you wanted to send runnables in the first place
void void
However, I think that if we managed to send a file, store it on the recipient, then load the class by a ClassLoader, then it might be possible
void void
my question is why you wanted to send runnables in the first place
A month ago, it was my goal, I wanted to debug my server remotely, without having to reload the server each time
void void
I fear about RCEs, while you want to implement literal RCE
Not in my public API
My API offers access to the internet, but it requires authentication by cryptographically generated token with the private key of the server, and the token is issued only by the server
odd nexus
Minecraft just changed their java version all the way up to java 16. Does that mean paper will also use java 16 instead of 11 like planned?
vernal moth
Minecraft just changed their java version all the way up to java 16. Does that m...
Yes! We welcome that change by mojang
visual egret
rip all old forge mods
vernal moth
Why?
odd nexus
nice
vernal moth
Java 8 software runs on java 16
visual egret
some of my modpacks refused to launch on j11
worn ember
Java 8 software runs on java 16
until it doesnt
unkempt drift
getting an error message? how fix?
ashen cliff
Click ok.
visual egret
Click y
unkempt drift
If I click cancel tho... it just cancels the error. no more error
left swift
Exatly
visual egret
error deserves to be cancelled, this is 2021
void void
Hello
left swift
Goodbye
visual egret
Hello
void void
What will switching from Java 8/11 to Java 16 mean to Paper?
visual egret
nothing
olive marlin
Users - better GC.
void void
Users - better GC.
ZGC?
olive marlin
Devs - many cool Kotlin features in Java 🙂
haughty bear
Devs - many cool Kotlin features in Java 🙂
I'm interested
unkempt drift
I dont know like anything about the newer java versions. I hear people complain about changes to reflection, idk what that really ends up meaning for plugins tho
waxen panther
It's all cool stuff
the reflection stuff is only a big deal if they're doing pepega stuff
left swift
Pb&j politic manager
foggy veldt
wait sendMessage(String) isnt deprecated anymore?
olive marlin
I think it never was in the mainstream API, at least on Player?
brave radish
wat
foggy veldt
:o I couldve sworn all the send methods that take a string were deprecated for the component alternativew
olive marlin
I believe only sending messages to players was undeprecated.
visual egret
why?
olive marlin
Because it's the only place where it doesn't matter that much (aside from phasing out the old API), and there were some backlash around it.
Everywhere else the legacy API isn't consistent and breaks stuff, so it has to be deprecated.
visual egret
the only backlash i know of is
upbeat falconBOT
Requested by OskarZyg#9256 - component api paper - result 2 of 10
visual egret
wtf
vestal jasper
backlash over an annotation lol
last I checked spigot has a history of deprecating things to alert you about alternatives
visual egret
seriously though: paper hardfork rough eta?
olive marlin
Yes.
vestal jasper
It'll happen if it happens
olive marlin
.s/if/when
vestal jasper
As with anything dev related, there's no ETA until one is given.
That sounds redundant. They'll likely voluntarily give one on their own initiative if they want to give an ETA.
quasi valley
no real hardfork without runtime mappings btw 
foggy veldt
backlash over an annotation lol
well deprecation means it will be removed in a future version
vestal jasper
Not according to md_5 
wraith trail
A program element annotated @Deprecated is one that programmers are discouraged from using. An element may be deprecated for any of several reasons, for example, its usage is likely to lead to errors; it may be changed incompatibly or removed in a future version; it has been superseded by a newer, usually preferable alternative; or it is obsolete.
specifically it has been superseded by a newer, usually preferable alternative; or it is obsolete
foggy veldt
the edit fixed it, yea commonly it is used to express disapproval as a warning period for developers to stop using the element so that it can be phased out
vestal jasper
which is exactly why they were put there in the first place
but people hate seeing the strikethrough ig
well, the discouraged / superseded part
topaz mortar
I dont know like anything about the newer java versions. I hear people complain ...
When reflection doesn't work, I'll adapt my paper fork to provide access.
topaz mortar
but people hate seeing the strikethrough ig
Except that md_5 uses it to mark beta API. 
olive marlin
Aikar also uses it, marking beta/unstable API.
topaz mortar
Ok, saw that on spigot-api only.
brave radish
Am compiling Paper with some changes, but it's failing because two things aren't annotated. I assume that's about the nullalbillity ones, but everything it's complaining about is marked with @ Nullable. Any ideas?
vestal jasper
What annotations are you using
brave radish
jetbrains
unkempt drift
It should tell you exactly what isn’t annotated
topaz mortar
Where did you add that?
brave radish
It should tell you exactly what isn’t annotated
It did, but they are annotated
vestal jasper
show code and error
brave radish
er one sec lemme open Discord on my other computer
also not sure if this code will even work, but that's not the point lol
here ya go:
/**
* Returns the specified corner of the WorldBorder
* @param corner Which corner to return
* @return Location of corner where y is always the minimum height of the world, or null if Corner is null
*/
public @Nullable Location getCorner(@Nullable Corner corner);
[ERROR] Failures:
[ERROR] AnnotationTest.testAll:123 There are 2 missing annotations:
org/bukkit/WorldBorder getCorner parameter 0
org/bukkit/WorldBorder getCorner return value
topaz mortar
Added in impl, too?
brave radish
yup
unkempt drift
Why is Corner nullable?
That feels weird that it’s a nullable argument and nullable return
brave radish
Was going to probably change that later, but then had this problem
topaz mortar
Under the condition a worldborder exists it should not be nullable
brave radish
That feels weird that it’s a nullable argument and nullable return
cuz atm if corner is null I just return null
again, was gonna change this code, just can't compile it
vestal jasper
I'd just not allow null at that point
if you don't really support null input, don't allow it
¯_(ツ)_/¯
unkempt drift
Well switch it to notnull and see if it compiles
brave radish
k
now it might not cuz I return null from a nullable function but will just change that if it complains
nope it didn't
and it compiled 🤔
works with @ NotNull but not @ Nullable
brave radish
it was jetbrains
anyway so I should just Validate.notNull(corner, "Corner cannot be null");
?
topaz mortar
NotNull annotation should work, out of the box.
olive marlin
I believe they aren't compiled in and are only for documentation.
brave radish
yeah I thought that ^
topaz mortar
The NonNull on impl should do its thing. At least it did the last time I checked.
vestal jasper
I believe they aren't compiled in and are only for documentation.
can't say for certain if JB ones here do, but I know some annotations have an AP that adds runtime checks
I believe checker ones do?
Not too sure tho
olive marlin
I believe they are not configured to be compiled it, but they can be.
brave radish
public AttributeModifier(@NotNull UUID uuid, @NotNull String name, double amount, @NotNull Operation operation, @ Nullable EquipmentSlot slot) {
Validate.notNull(uuid, "UUID cannot be null");
Validate.notNull(name, "Name cannot be null");
Validate.notNull(operation, "Operation cannot be null");
that's taken from Bukkit ^
vestal jasper
rip @ Null
brave radish
oops lol
olive marlin
I want to one day run Infer again on paper source code and see how many warnings it'll throw.
I remember it showing a few hundred last time I did it.
brave radish
ok I'll do it and see what happens when someone reviews the PR 😄
olive marlin
I recently ran infer on Paper Server code - 264 null dereferences, 66 thread safety violations, 4 resource leaks...
🙂
brave radish
which is a bit weird with that return null?
what should I do instead since I have to return something? Make the last else if an else?
olive marlin
Did you compile it with IJ or with maven directly?
topaz mortar
Maven as that's the target/classes
brave radish
Well I did it the way I've seen it done in Paper; if someone tells me to take it out of the PR, I will
pulsar wigeon
annotations shouldn't compile to actual runtime checks unless you have something telling them to...
if you compile through IJ that's an option, or you'd need an AP
and I'm fairly sure paper doesn't have an AP on for nullability annotations
olive marlin
Yes. What's more it won't start the server if you'll enable it.
Because of timings.
waxen panther
ok!
topaz mortar
and I'm fairly sure paper doesn't have an AP on for nullability annotations
compiled with maven and same result like my images above.
cunning raft
@waxen panther
vestal jasper
@waxen panther
waxen panther
hi there
waxen panther
hi there 
potent fossil
@waxen panther Why Pb
as in Lead
oh my fucking god
you fucker
don't reply to me im mentally blocking you for the rest of the day
love yo u though but im mad
golden gust
tbqh though
it does make sense, really
broc does have what some may call a lead brain
formal turret
too much lead exposure
golden gust
dense af
waxen panther
I do drink a drink that contains lead
formal turret
yum
worn ember
hi there <:smile:779875132985835541>
I see you took my suggestion :))
waxen panther
?
worn ember
Try it and find out
Should be fine but uh. Don't take my word for it.
Idk if sessions are stored there but you might need to login again in places
brave radish
I swear IntelliJ will not let me edit this file without removing an extra space
Fine, I'll just put it in time out and do everything in vi 😔
unkempt drift
Lol
Don’t turn into one of those vi/emacs crazies who do everything in it… don’t understand those people
waxen panther
aoe
brave radish
@github can I have a "delete Pull Request" button?
limpid comet
how do you write a javadoc @return for a map
like
@return a map where the key is foo and the value is bar
is that kek or cringe
brave radish
"A map of foo to bar?" not sure what the context is so idk
brave radish
Seems fine?
golden gust
WHAT is the map
limpid comet
yea it gets the job done, just wasn't sure if there was better convention to follow
waxen panther
heyyyyyyyyyyyy
limpid comet
hi brocer
golden gust
The idea of a JD is that you infer what is being returned
what does the map represent?
golden gust
Like, am not english pro, and that sounds weird, but, that's more in line for me
limpid comet
it represents the list of entities that took knockback and how much they received
yea
golden gust
you can see the data types in the return spec
But, that's just the types, what does that map represent? is that a map of considered entities, is that a map of affected entities?
golden gust
Like, knowing what the key, value represents is good, but, you also gotta consider what the map itself represents
limpid comet
@return a map containing all the entities affected by this launch, and how much knockback they received
Yes
limpid comet
thanks cat
brave radish
25 password combinations?
potent fossil
<@!698668938661331045> throwback
Kek
limpid comet
is that realtime or sped up
merry talon
i want to learn vim but i also have zero desire to learn vim
golden gust
I use it as a basic text editor but with all these tools it often seams that you basically gotta neckbeard them if you wanna get "good" with them
upper flicker
vim is nice 
warm anchor
waxen panther
did eer fix the world
cunning raft
waxen panther
just google how to exit it on your phone smh
warm anchor
golden gust
I mean, nano too is new territory, I guess it's somewhat more n00b friendly, but, I mean, it's a coin flip these days as to what's available
I've been in environments where only nano is available
I've been in environments where you get vi, not vim
It's... fun...
potent fossil
if n^2=2 and n^4 = 4, then what's n^8? answer fast go go go
swift root
if n^2=2 and n^4 = 4, then what's n^8? answer fast go go go
What is this, a series? Or is n always the same
potent fossil
n is the same
swift root
2^4 then
waxen panther
n is bababooyee
potent fossil
2^4 then
good boi
always knew larry was worthy
n^2=2 => log_n(2) = 2 => ln2/lnn = 2 => ln2 = 2lnn => lnn = 1/2(ln2) => n = e^(1/2(ln2)) => n = sqrt(2)
sqrt(2)^8 = 16
swift root
That's very complicated
potent fossil
what huge larrybrain thing did you do
merry talon
back in my day the only editor available was ed
potent fossil
i mean ngl who just did wolfram
swift root
n^2=2 means n=root2 so root2^8 is the same as n^((1/2)x8) so n^8/2
potent fossil
holy shit ur huge brain
warm anchor
did eer fix the world
waxen panther
no? 
swift root
Weeb
waxen panther
where is the gross weeb
potent fossil
im out here doing the logarithm rules and larry's just like "lol"
golden gust
LARRY
potent fossil
.larry
limber knotBOT
swift root
im out here doing the logarithm rules and larry's just like "lol"
Haha tbch I didn't even consider that logs might be useful
warm anchor
no? <:krappa:739867712854950009>
forge is so fucking annoying to troubleshoot. I think it was just one player's pet nbt being fucked and it crash server when he logs in
swift root
You got one-up on me there
waxen panther
the mod tries to lookup textures based on name for some reason
merry talon
wolfram is a godsend
waxen panther
when it first happened he came into the i am lonely vc
and i gave him a couple ideas with the errors he sent
vestal jasper
Flushed
waxen panther
idk though i dont do a lot of forge stuff
swift root
Weeb
waxen panther
ew where
swift root
Right over there in that mirror
vestal jasper
Me
warm anchor
and i gave him a couple ideas with the errors he sent
pog brocco | super helpful?
waxen panther
brocco | pogchamp
swift root
Can we all take part in an oompa loompa event
waxen panther
yes
warm anchor
wtf its almost 1 AM
waxen panther
:')
potent fossil
wtf wtf wtf
warm anchor
limpid comet
Just dug up an old iPod 4
Is there any interesting jailbreak software I can put on it?
peak ginkgo
voice channel sometimes
void void
Happy Ramadan Holidays 🍬
potent fossil
Thanks, Jesus.
cosmic raft
@potent fossil https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1U6LCzHoAs
👀
surprised at so few :P
potent fossil
Pretty nice
waxen panther
jammin ?
I need to listen more before I answer
cosmic raft
warm anchor
Lmao
woven otter
maybe it's his party trick
untold copper
or he's just dumb
waxen panther
Mojang are updating it
golden gust
when mojang changed their requirement for 1.17
autumn glen
again? pfft
waxen panther
The first time it was papers choice, this time it’s mojangs
autumn glen
oo i see colour of commands while typing out changes, that's a nifty little feature, i recently updated my paper
visual egret
In what world are these acceptable lmao
ivory sable
In what world are these acceptable lmao
2 minutes and 17 minutes. what is the context here?
visual egret
bus times in central London near an airport
ivory sable
a bus every quarter of an hour? seems reasonable to me.
waxen panther
I don’t see the problem
visual egret
usually there’s one about every 3 minutes
waxen panther
central london buses are normally every few minutes but i've never seen airport buses run that quickly
I doubt they have a lot of passengers rn anyway so whats the point
waxen panther
i think ur too upset about it
autumn glen
No bus schedules in india 
waxen panther
the buses in my home "town" were like once every 4 hours lol
visual egret
where the non student buses don’t let me on but the student busses let everyone in and are almost always full
waxen panther
if that actually, i think it was just 8am and 5pm
understandable, students are a menace on buses
also ur all dirty & gross and probably wipe covid on the seats
visual egret
oh, did I mention none of them actually follow what they are meant to do
they let some students in but not others
like completely random
one day you get lucky the other you don’t
waxen panther
we do a little rusting
waxen panther
i am.... banned from a lot of noob servers
coarse lily
What'd you do to get banned, you rabblerouser?
waxen schooner
Lol
ashen cliff
Can you make something for us real quick?
Yeah no problem.
We need a PHP I2C interface.
Haha. No.
vernal moth
Lmao
wet smelt
Quick question regarding a plugin I'm working on. What is more readable to you:
SMPTweaks or SMPtweaks ?
ashen cliff
SMP Tweaks.
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SmpTweaks 
proud lance
SMP Tweaks as well, SMPTweaks makes me think of SMTP the email thing
ashen cliff
No.
merry talon
it's fine because there's no R in there
umbral tiger
<@!158577328874586112> <@!264203519806930944>
hi how you doin
twin lagoon
@umbral tiger
vestal jasper
wtf cheating on me?
twin lagoon
josh uwu
vestal jasper
too late i'm mad 
twin lagoon
wtf 
umbral tiger
MICHAEL
mossy vessel
@twin lagoon Yes.
twin lagoon
mossy vessel
viral hornet
@umbral tiger what should I get from KFC
mossy vessel
filet bucket
umbral tiger
<@!158577328874586112> what should I get from KFC
a whopper
void void
I love waffles
olive marlin
@twin lagoon oh no https://github.com/google/zx
twin lagoon
oh no indeed wtf
olive marlin
Another cancer from Google?
twin lagoon
how does it have 12.7k stars already
olive marlin
Wtf, didn't realize it's been here for only 10 days.
twin lagoon
yes
olive marlin
Google simps watching their organization?
Google advertising it somewhere?
Already 9 contributors and 176 forks too.
topaz mortar
js in terminal
olive marlin
If someone would do something similar for Rust, then I'd consider using it tbh.
I need to take a closer look at duckscript.
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@olive marlin iwi
olive marlin
olive marlin
Proxi rewrite zx in Rust?
vernal moth
worth noting: thats not a google project
its the pet project of a google employee
that github account is open to anyone at google iirc
but yeah I saw it on HN
in the comments for shelljs
topaz mortar
The JS usage develops into a Yatopia
worn ember
Much js hate. I always dread using it so I just stopped doing web dev altogether lol
topaz mortar
JS is fine on web-frontend.
worn ember
Maybe TS will ease my suffering
woven otter
Js is hot but so is a stove and we know what happens when you touch a hot stove
worn ember
Burnt duck
vernal moth
a hot stove is still incredible useful tho
merry talon
wait what is actually wrong with zx?
js isn't my language of choice for scripts but it does seem useful
shelljs seems kinda cursed though
sour wharf
im looking for someone to be my spigot dev anyone intrested dm me
mossy vessel
Then this is the wrong server 🤡
merry talon
olive marlin
Idk, zx seems cursed.
I wish there was an AOT scripting language that's strong typed and can easily run shell commands.
merry talon
Just don't mix the two
wrap your real scripts in a bash script
use the coreutils from there
if you must
olive marlin
The only AOT strong typed lang I found is dascript, but it can't run shell commands easily.
merry talon
what you're referring to is generally not called a scripting language but a programming language lol
olive marlin
I'm rewriting my crap to Python, and using sh lib to make it easier to run shell commands.
merry talon
what shell commands do you need to use within python? that has always smelled bad to me
viral hornet
im looking for someone to be my spigot dev anyone intrested dm me
Advertise on the Spigot forums/somewhere that's correct for advertising lol.
olive marlin
Mostly use git iirc. Tried using the git library, but it sucked. Can't do anything.
woven otter
@viral hornet
viral hornet
@woven otter
merry talon
automating git seems kind of cursed on its own but ¯_(ツ)_/¯
olive marlin
Well, sadly don't have a better option.
I'm trying not to use user-facing commands etc.
Do as much as I can on blobs and trees directly, as well as just use the exit codes.
viral hornet
Why did you ping me
because i love u 😄
twin lagoon
what's going on
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@viral hornet I love you ?
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no u
twin lagoon
awa
olive marlin
Otherwise git starts throwing control characters on stdout, which are normally not visible on the terminal.
viral hornet
<@!171898972330262538> I love you ?
I love YOU Mariell 🥺
idle spear
Does anyone know if it is possible to end the "Redemption Grace Period" early? I unfortunately forgot to renew my domain and now I have to wait 30 days or reactivate the domain overpriced BRUH
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open a ticket with your registrar
merry talon
inb4 route 53
idle spear
Already done, waiting for an answer. Just wanted to ask, may somebody has more experience with it
merry talon
my registrar sends me literally dozens of emails before a domain would go into redemption lol
olive marlin
I got so far one email from CF and one more from PorkBun. Waiting to see if they'll send me more.
merry talon
I wouldn't be surprised if someone showed up on my doorstep
or I guess my old registrar, I don't think I have anything on namecheap anymore
porkbun 
merry talon
I went on a $1/first year domain buying spree
can't wait to get hit with a huge bill in 9 months
worn ember
warm anchor
can't wait to get hit with a huge bill in 9 months
Did you buy seeepy seeeeeepy etc?
twin lagoon
eternity 
warm anchor
Good morning Michael 
twin lagoon
ledger nano x
limpid comet
ledger 
limber knotBOT
hey all! I build a nether-portal based gold farm on my paper based server. It works fine if a player loads the OW with the killing chamber. But I'm unable to get it working with anything else (e.g. a thrown away block). I guess this is due to chunk loading mechanics. Could anybody point me to a place where this is configurable in paper? I checked the patches but couldn't find anything
obvious. Or is it me being silly and this just simply requires two players and has nothing to do with paper?
novel horizon
What exactly are you saying - that you can't throw items into portals? 😄
limber knotBOT
I can but it doesn't load the chunk(s) on the other side
novel horizon
Oh, right, well that may be because of Paper or some changes, not sure about that, you can always just check
void void
does ledger require kyc?
limber knotBOT
well I did, couldn't find anything obvious :( I just saw some patches in regards of pathfinding and mob-ai so I wonder if these kinds of farms just don't work with paper
brave radish
I think ShadowHacker meant try vanilla/Spigot
novel horizon
Yeah, just try in vanilla and see
limber knotBOT
ah, will do :)
twin lagoon
does ledger require kyc?
it's a hardware wallet
if a wallet requires KYC it's not a wallet but an exchange
if you're looking for an exchange, my recommendations are Coinbase Pro & Kraken
there is no exchange that does fiat -> crypto without KYC
void void
uhh wdym by hardware
twin lagoon
a physical wallet
void void
what about electrum?
twin lagoon
look if you're looking to buy crypto without KYC you're out of luck
void void
what's electrum, is it also hardware wallet?
twin lagoon
certain sites
void void
😼
twin lagoon
ah yes I too would want to buy cryptocurrency off of a stranger on some marketplace forum for ridiculous prices / fees with the added chance of being scammed
void void
well fees are not bad its 9.5% + $4.5 and they have a lot of reputation so 🤷♂️
ashen cliff
Bro! Just buy from KGB Craft.
twin lagoon
literally every legitimate exchange out there
void void
i have been buying 11% for months...
cloud slate
I don't 100% understand something right now about MC snapshots...
So... MC is ONLY Java 16+ from 1.17 onwards?
cloud slate
Rip PaperMCs plan for Java 11 xD
twin lagoon
they're likely raising it every version to whatever is available at the time
narrow trout
Rip PaperMCs plan for Java 11 xD
I mean it just changed to being java 16 instead of 11
twin lagoon
buys from basically a sketchy person in a street corner
"did i get scammed"
idk maybe
there's a reason why people just use normal exchanges and not some weird hobo on a forum lmao
cloud slate
I mean it just changed to being java 16 instead of 11
Yeah, but that means hosts have to update.... again
novel horizon
"but i got it 2$ cheaper"
twin lagoon
most hosts will have the ability to switch java versions
void void
i thought the fees were good..
wraith trail
most hosts were already aware that it was a possibility as well for a while
and many already provided a switch
novel horizon
void void
wait but i can use my parents right?
twin lagoon
looks like balkan housing
twin lagoon
wait but i can use my parents right?
yes
void void
mojang is doing java 16 only now?
cloud slate
ye
twin lagoon
and probably newer versions yes
twin lagoon
since yesterday
novel horizon
^^
ashen cliff
Probably just going to stick to 17 when it comes out.
upper flicker
They did stick to 8 for years
Not just any version of 8 but an ancient version at that
void void
many more years to come*
upper flicker
technically, they could revert the change as it’s just in a snapshot
But I very much doubt that
have to run into some serious problems
void void
hmm so good news then
novel horizon
Might be
upper flicker
Now that the launcher supports updating Java per-MC version, they can bump it whenever they want as often as they want
we don’t know what the future holds, but it is now possible for them to bump Java every release
novel horizon
Hopefully it will make MC better in some ways, maybe performance wise it could be at least better? 🤷♂️
upper flicker
Java 16 is a good release, there are some hiccups with code that messes with internal Java stuff but they’ve been warning about this for years. Most stuff will work around it. The stuff that can’t can still ask you to add some startup args to disable the extra checks, for now
Shared hosts may cause some problems on that front, or they may just disable it themselves
void void
better now than never
worn ember
shared hosts finally gonna update poggies
limpid comet
say a plugin uses illegal reflection to fuck with nms, what does their upgrade process look like?
request APIs be included with the server to replace their nms usage?
olive marlin
Always try add api, I guess.
But I heard there's some Unsafe something you can still use, but I didn't check what's it about :)
wide chasm
Yeah, I think Unsafe can still bypass some stuff
limber knotBOT
so I tried my farm in singleplayer (is this close enough to vanilla?) and it works as expected. Should I create a bug about this or play around with single patches disabled to see if I can bisect the patch causing the unloaded chunks?
wide chasm
If it works in Vanilla, but not in Paper that's worth a bug report. Of course, the more information the better, so if you can figure out which patch causes this issue that'd be great.
limber knotBOT
+1, will see if I can bisect what patch is causing this. Thank you all for your fast help :)
visual egret
when i try to paste something into discord my screen just gets darker
discord canary moment
dusk drift
nope
limpid comet
what does edge give you that chrome doesn't
vernal moth
It's actually faster ^^
limpid comet
interesting
visual egret
vernal moth
And msft puts in ton of work in multiple areas, dev tools for example
limpid comet
i've got edge, firefox, and firefox dev running rn but i've never noticed a difference between the three
vernal moth
While I do notice differences between chromium based stuff and FF, the differences between different chromium based browsers are only really noticeable in benchmarks I guess
visual egret
i kinda dont like it tbh https://discord.com/brand-new/branding
wide chasm
I can't imagine using Edge after the bs Microsoft pulled with it on Windows tbh
vernal moth
I petitioned to make it default browser at work, and won ^^
lyric hinge
quasi valley
I dont think I'll ever be able to take stef seriously anymore https://i.imgur.com/dRTMpu5.png
vernal moth
Before default was a weird mix of Firefox and internet explorer, now we force everybody to use edge
wide chasm
I don't know what Discod is doing to my pfp, I haven't changed it myself
quasi valley
quasi valley
that'll get clapped if you restart the client (or update if you're on mobile)
at least a majority of people will already get the update
wide chasm
I started Discord like 2 hours or so ago? So unless it happened between then and now, I'm guessing I haven't received the change yet.
mossy vessel
that'll get clapped if you restart the client (or update if you're on mobile)
Good time my workspace is up for 36 days now 
quasi valley
they only just rolled out the last update
wide chasm
Ah, I see
quasi valley
along with the blogpost and a mail
ancient bolt
I'll stick with chrome, I've been using it for years and have no reason to switch ¯_(ツ)_/¯
ancient bolt
FF is my secondary
quasi valley
and for editing (or crappily handwriting things into) pdfs
woven otter
Same no reason to switch to something else
vernal moth
I switched to it when we were piloting it at work and stuck with it
Am so bored, lmao
Also, rip my tablets frame rate
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@cedar spade 
cedar spade
😮
ancient bolt
got like 2 hours of sleep cause i had some issues and had to wake up super early to drop my cat off at the vet for a dental appt
am now sitting at my computer wondering if I'll ever work again
I literally just need to test this bash command I wrote but the mental state I'm in makes me feel like that's an impossibly difficult task
wide chasm
that'll get clapped if you restart the client (or update if you're on mobile)
Opened on mobile, now I see the changed pfp too lol
It still shows the old one in the bottom bar for user settings, though
spiral robin
@zealous wedge 
limber knotBOT
Aber!
gentle frigate
who
limpid comet
how dare you not know about our great lord and saviour aber!
spiral robin
twin lagoon
@vestal jasper
worn ember
anyone know if airplane messes with teleports or something? i have someone reporting teleporting on the netherroof even tho i literally have hardcoded values that are below nether roof i told them to try with paper but ion know man these forks be wildin
vernal moth
Maybe it's an optimization to improve teleports by increasing their Y component by 10 %
More is better, right?
woven otter
just dont support forks other than purpur/tuinity/paper
worn ember
i'm just curious as to why it would happen, literally the first person to report it
woven otter
or ask for money for them 
twin lagoon
if you support purpur you support airplane so
worn ember
so im quite possitive that its related to the fork
worn ember
is airplane on bstats?
limpid comet
whats up with airplane and purpur
i need to be filled in on this critical minecraft lore
worn ember
i mean i have 700 servers using my plugin, and so far no one has reported teleporting on the nether roof (and its literally stated that it supports nether) sooo idk
we'll see if it happens with paper ig
haughty bear
yatopia
vernal moth
Woo, 700 paper servers updated to java 16 already
haughty bear
out of?
haughty bear
lol
worn ember
i'll have to install 16 at some point lol
visual egret
jokes on you, my dev servers all run java 16 already
worn ember
java is older than you oskar
visual egret
<a:yikes:663874550890496000>
who tf is using normal bukkit
void void
ikr
worn ember
¯_(ツ)_/¯
void void
like not even spigot lol
worn ember
should just stop their server and tell them to update to this century
void void
loool
gentle frigate
de
formal turret
when it's just 1 server you blame it on user error 🥳
vernal moth
What's worse, running loltopia or craftbukkit 🤔
gentle frigate
both
formal turret
if you're running craftbukkit is there not even an API?
pulsar wigeon
cuz bukkit wasn't an api before spigot came around...
formal turret
i dont even know why i said that
limber knotBOT
bukkit was an API and project, even before spigot
formal turret
in my head there was a difference between bukkit and craftbukkit but really there probably isn't
formal turret
right, yea, why does bstats differentiate between bukkit and cb though?
pulsar wigeon
it doesn't
wraith trail
I mean it might say bukkit as an overall for everyone
but bukkit wouldn't be listed as a server implementation
pulsar wigeon
no, bukkit is what CB reports as the server name
old versions of spigot used to report being CB tho, so stats from older servers sometimes still say that
you can check things like https://bstats.org/plugin/bukkit/WorldEdit/3328#serverSoftware where it only exists on 1.13+ and it's clear there's only bukkit
formal turret
I don't even remember where I saw it, I just figured there were servers out there running without the bukkit API for whatever reason
pulsar wigeon
sure, they're called sponge servers.... fabric/forge, .... vanilla even
left swift
Wiz 
formal turret
er, I didn't mean it like that
broken rampart
Idk who I want to blame, deds bad code, pauls bad code or Billy's bad code
smh it’s not me
vernal moth
That would somebody who is to blame say
gentle frigate
how to make a paper plugin
brave radish
Do you know Java?
gentle frigate
yes
wraith trail
deja vu
brave radish
Well see here https://papermc.io/using-the-api for importing the API
wraith trail
gentle frigate
ok
wraith trail
exact same conversation
brave radish
just gonna ignore that sulu 😆
now you should use Gradle or Maven with Paper's API, but here's the Spigot wiki page that covers the structure of a plugin https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/creating-a-plugin-with-maven-using-intellij-idea/
since you said you'd been making Spigot plugins,
left swift
A troll
brave radish
<https://minidigger.github.io/paper-api-diff/changes.html>
see this thing linked already
worn ember
smh it’s not me
broken rampart
That would somebody who is to blame say
oh no
worn ember
i mean it could be me but i'd be suprised, cuz i dont make mistakes kappa
worn ember
are you saying airplane is like yatopia
visual egret
i need to be filled in on this critical minecraft lore
imagine unitymedia but it’s a server fork
worn ember
kinky
left swift
Does anyone have a secretlab chair
worn ember
is it really secret lab if you know about it
left swift
Good one ded
waxen panther
I do mana
worn ember
will do
waxen panther
it's pretty heavy
left swift
That seems so insanely heavy for a chair
broken rampart
just don't use a chair lol, 0lbs
worn ember
its to support broccs thicc booty
left swift
I guess it do be sturdy
waxen panther
it to be
left swift
.g 30kg to lbs
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://poundskg.com/convert-30-kg-to-pounds
waxen panther
lol
left swift
potent fossil
.wa 30kg to lb
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Results: 66.14 lb (pounds), 66 pounds 2.219 ounces - https://is.gd/nmU7tw
potent fossil
ddg instant answers are more or less useless
left swift
Yea probably about what they say on the page
That's so nuts lmao
Is it worth brocc how long u had one
worn ember
is it made out of cast iron or something
left swift
Do u have the titan
waxen panther
titan is for bigger people
left swift
O