general

[cosmic raft]

not the exact one

[vestal jasper]

I see peep I respond

🤖

[cosmic raft]

lol @vestal jasper

[visual egret]

rtx voice does some fucky things to sound

[vestal jasper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO4jnJR7I6w @cosmic raft

ez

the actual song's good too

[mossy vessel]

Morning

[worn ember]

Michelle man

[olive marlin]

Ugh, Hetzner network shit itself again...

[cosmic raft]

lol

[olive marlin]

I didn't realize it before, but Hetzner network SLA is at 88 hours of downtime a year.

[spring hemlock]

kashike, do you know where paper modifies pots in 1.8.8. The part where it makes the potion velocity high if u facing glass or some

[waxen panther]

[ashen cliff]

Well. ArubaCloud also just shat itself.

[cosmic raft]

huh

discord changed the role stuff a bit

https://i.imgur.com/ntd8djV.png

the colour dot

[visual egret]

yeah I think my server was part of ab testing for that

I had that like 3 months ago

[worn ember]

needs more roles

[waxen panther]

vegtebal only role needed

[spare venture]

I have never seen the Tiffany role

[minor badge]

@olive marlin https://github.com/tokio-rs/tokio-uring/pull/1

[minor badge]

there is 1 member with it, who only really talks in internal channels

[olive marlin]

[waxen panther]

rui

[minor badge]

[left swift]

[waxen panther]

https://twitter.com/rui314/status/1380410951518756866?s=20

Rui Ueyama (@rui314)

昼にうっかりベッドで横になると猫が足を抱き枕に寝始めるので昼寝することになってしまう

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Twitter · Apr 9, 2021, 6:43 AM

new tweet from king?

[worn ember]

Garry King

[limber knot]

oof, wtf did mojang think when making berries plantable as well as eatable with the same action?!?

[ashen cliff]

Just like potatos, the cursed PE food and carrots?

[nova plume]

why do i get way higher fps when using ubuntu than windows for minecraft

[ashen cliff]

What GPU?

[nova plume]

1650 ti

[minor badge]

probably because linux is lighter overall :p

[nova plume]

yh lol with windows i get like 100

[untold copper]

pog

[minor badge]

might also have to do with your drivers though

[ashen cliff]

CPU limit most likely.

[minor badge]

speaking of

https://uwu.whats-th.is/4CAt4Bt.png my gpu is still not named properly

[ashen cliff]

Tho if you have NVIDIA Experience you loose performance due to shadow play and other stuff.

[nova plume]

Yes

[untold copper]

btw, do you guys know any routers that have very good range so as to cover a large area? about 2500 square feet?

[nova plume]

I wanna see my FPS with sodium and java 16 lol

[untold copper]

My dad has tasked me with finding one so that we only need 1 router in the entire house

right now, there are 2 routers, 1 is main and the other takes its connection from the main router

but its not feasable

[nova plume]

It was vanilla lol not even optifine

My house is pretty small so idk

[minor badge]

how is it not feasible

just run a cable between the two

[mossy vessel]

Just put one into every room

[minor badge]

[ashen cliff]

I have more APs than people in this house.

[stiff yarrow]

Doesn’t shadow play run on its own hardware on the gpu and therefor not really impact performance

[ashen cliff]

It does. Look at the power usage.

You pay the price regardless.

[sleek dune]

@wheat quarry how tf did u get the bot tag thing next to ur name

[nova plume]

For me the main bottleneck on windows is optimus I think

[mossy vessel]

Names with a Bot suffix are people using IRC which is being bridged to discord. Quill is a discord bot, scissors and Korobi are IRC bots.

[minor badge]

Pencil is also discord bot

[olive marlin]

Scissors is dead.

[sleek dune]

Tf is irc

[olive marlin]

Long live paperchan

[mossy vessel]

boomer discord

[sleek dune]

..

[waxen panther]

discord for boring people

[naive abyss]

someone for help me test my server?

[nova plume]

Internet relay chat

[waxen panther]

no

[limber knot]

IRC > Discord smh brocc

[waxen panther]

bloodstone dont make me do this to you 😭

[olive marlin]

Do what?

[mossy vessel]

[minor badge]

@waxen panther https://owo.whats-th.is/5ZVRQVF.png

[mossy vessel]

very cursed

No

get banned

bye bye

[sleek dune]

: (

[waxen panther]

WTF

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/2021-04-09_16-10-36.png

Another great day.

[minor badge]

@sleek dune dont

[sleek dune]

Wat did I do

Sry

[olive marlin]

Good memes in #memes, keep bad to yourself.

[sleek dune]

Oh yea

[untold copper]

idk its 2 wifi networks

so you have to switch whenever you go into a new room

would be cool if there was only 1 router

there must exist some kind that can cover that large of an area

[olive garden]

there are ways to have multiple access points under the same name/whatever

my router supports that

and it's a cheap router

[minor badge]

yeah most mesh systems do

[stiff yarrow]

Truly is

[untold copper]

So there's a separate model for a mesh router

[stiff yarrow]

Us boomers don’t like no fancy IRC

[stiff yarrow]

Repeaters can do that

[untold copper]

Would this work?
Have the optical fiber coming in from one room, then just run ethernet from that main router to other routers, but my question here is wont the other routers act as hubs? I don't think they'll actually extend range or whatever

[untold copper]

What those

[minor badge]

use repeaters

[stiff yarrow]

They do what they say

Repeat a signal

[minor badge]

plug it into a socket, configure it, boom it extends the network radius by acting as a proxy

[stiff yarrow]

.g WiFi repeaters

[minor badge]

some also take cable

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Computers-Accessories-Repeaters/zgbs/pc/3015439011

[spare venture]

mfw I took so long responding to a chargeback that I got signed out of paypal and have to respond again

[untold copper]

😬

[upbeat falcon]

The differences between a WiFi booster, WiFi extender and WiFi ...

https://eyenetworks.no/en/five-reasons-not-to-get-a-wi-fi-repeater/
A common piece of advice for home users who have problems with wireless coverage is to buy a wireless repeater, frequently also referred to as extenders or

Requested by nossr50 (he/him) - what is a WiFi repeater - result 2 of 9

[untold copper]

its a

hm

yeah

that

[untold copper]

oh cooll

ima check that out as well

what do you all do for your house?

[olive garden]

single router

[stiff yarrow]

I’ll use repeaters at my next place most likely

My current place is only 910 sq feet

[untold copper]

you have a flat?

[stiff yarrow]

2 bedroom apartment

[untold copper]

I see

we might shift to a new place

I finally have the chance to get the wifi setup my own proper way

[minor badge]

I luckily only don't have connection in the far corner of my living room

[untold copper]

so I'm not missing out on it

[untold copper]

our living room is huge

soooo

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[minor badge]

The entire couch is within reach though so that's huge poggies

[untold copper]

lmao

[olive garden]

I don't know, I'm not really looking forward to having to set up wifi lol

[stiff yarrow]

My next place will have multiple floors so the signal might need repeating, we will see

[olive garden]

drilling holes in walls to run cables doesn't sound fun

especially if you find out afterwards that it's not good enough

[untold copper]

who said I'll do that part

thats dads job

[minor badge]

yea multiple floors will easily need repeaters

[untold copper]

my job is to just figure out how everything will work

goal is to have same wifi signal and same name/password in the entire apartment

Just have to figure out a way to achieve that

I'm looking at this mesh system thingy

[stiff yarrow]

We told you how like 5 times

Rhymes with repeater

[spare venture]

maybe seller protection will help me, or paypal will screw me

[untold copper]

wont repeater have different wifi names and stuff, it said that there

[stiff yarrow]

No?

[untold copper]

wha

lemme read again

[stiff yarrow]

Repeaters repeat a signal

[spare venture]

last time I got a fraudulent "unauthorized purchase" claim, it was for $100 and seller protection covered me

took 4 months to resolve

[stiff yarrow]

Jesus

[untold copper]

The repeater will usually have its own network name (SSID) and password, which differs from the SSID of the router and any other amplifiers in the home, and that are not automatically synchronized when the other device's SSID is updated.

[spare venture]

it's amazing how one can usually just steal money from you by claiming it was 'unauthorized'

[nova plume]

700fps with sodium and java 16 lol

on windows im lucky if i get 150

[untold copper]

lol

[spare venture]

do you have a 700Hz monitor

[nova plume]

lol no

120hz

[spare venture]

so either way it doesnt matter

[nova plume]

very true

[olive marlin]

It will be a difference, but not as huge and is capped.

[nova plume]

optimus honestly sucks

[untold copper]

what was that

[nova plume]

yh i get ur trying to save battery life

[untold copper]

optimus is pog ok

:(

[nova plume]

no

it sux

[untold copper]

and so is bumblebee

[nova plume]

bumblebee is cool

[untold copper]

and rachet and all the other autobots

except ironhide

[nova plume]

oh

[untold copper]

he sux

[nova plume]

lmao

ok

[stiff yarrow]

I get the same FPS on Linux and windows

[nova plume]

u talking about transformers

[untold copper]

yez

:P

[nova plume]

u have a laptop?

[stiff yarrow]

Minecraft performance is straight up rando

I do but I meant on my desktop

[nova plume]

yh

[spare venture]

vanilla client sucks anyway

[nova plume]

on windows laptops optimus actually is so bad

[spare venture]

mojang actively discouraging people from using it, too

[nova plume]

yh

[waxen panther]

[spare venture]

patching SRV bypass will just encourage more people to use custom clients

[untold copper]

rip discord

[spare venture]

lgtm

[stiff yarrow]

The music video for Montero is pretty fire

[limber knot]

party: I mean, you could just not exploit kids 👀

[spare venture]

mojang's enforcement of the EULA is extremely inconsistent

and "exploiting kids" is not the goal of the EULA tbh

[limber knot]

yes, it's the thing it wants to prevent

[spare venture]

commercial usage guidelines aspect anyway

[limber knot]

:P

[digital ruin]

how i could i get badlion anticheat? I can't find any place to buy

[limber knot]

be badlion

runs

[spare venture]

dont buy it

theres a reason no one uses it

[digital ruin]

oh

It's bad?

[waxen panther]

all of bad line is cring

phone pls

all of badlion is cringe*

[untold copper]

badlion is trash

[nova plume]

vanilla > badlion

i need to copy all of my config files cos im on linux now

smh

[spare venture]

and phoenix616: I don't violate the EULA's commercial usage guidelines at all

[limber knot]

then you have nothing to fear?

[spare venture]

i'm not fearing anything

I just disagree with mojang's enforcement of the EULA

hurts the community more than it helps

and it's extremely inconsistent

[limber knot]

well, yeah. instead of using technical blocks they should use lawyers lol

[spare venture]

I can't sell capes but badlion and optifine can

[limber knot]

They likely cannot

[spare venture]

yeah as if Mojang would ever threaten legal action to anyone

[limber knot]

I mean, how would you even sell capes in the vanilla client without mods?

apparently they did

but they don't go through with it

[spare venture]

any examples?

[limber knot]

which is what I personally would criticize about their handling of the eula

Mojang probably added it for a reason, I would be highly suprised that capes are suddenly aan exception

for no reason at all

[spare venture]

they already are

badlion and optifine sell capes and mojang has done nothing

[limber knot]

pretty sure they sent some stern letters to some server owners violating the EULA but never went through with actual lawsuits

[spare venture]

you could sell capes easily with a resource pack

[limber knot]

They really should do that

[spare venture]

no, they shouldn't

[limber knot]

if they wanted Microsoft could crush everyone

those aren't real capes though

It does not help anyone that they do not enforce their own rules

you can only get real capes with some exploits 👀

[spare venture]

enforcing their EULA hurts the consumer

just as much as it helps

[limber knot]

In what instance?

not enforcing it hurts more

either they enforce it or they remove it

[spare venture]

if they cracked down on optifine, millions of players would lose their cape they paid for

[waxen panther]

barty has another server where he scams children

they should

fuck optifine

[limber knot]

They never explictly paid for it

[waxen panther]

i have a optifine cape but it'd be worth losing it

[nova plume]

Yh sodium better

[spare venture]

yeah fuck all those kids that bought capes right?

[limber knot]

it's optifine's obligation to get their customers what they paid for

also fuck optifine

And I am not that aware if it would apply retroactively

[spare venture]

same thing with shutting down a popular server, fuck all those kids who spent money on it, right?

[limber knot]

fuck proprietary software in general

yes, they knowingly spent money on an "illegal" operation

[spare venture]

fuck mojang for letting it happen, then enforcing it on others

[limber knot]

The children should have been more cautios about it in the first place

[waxen panther]

it was never supposed to be "buying" a cape, it's donating to optifine and getting a cape. if the children cant read they probably wont even realise

[limber knot]

it's the company's obligation to refund all their purchases in such a case

[spare venture]

that's what a purchase is broc

[waxen panther]

dont the 10 year olds use badlion or lunar now anyway

[spare venture]

calling it a donation doesn't make it a donation

[limber knot]

^

You are correct brcco

smh, I cannot type today

[waxen panther]

I know that barty but that's how it's advertised to the children

[spare venture]

yes phoenix, but the bad guy in that instance are both mojang and optifine IMO

[waxen panther]

nah just optifine

[spare venture]

lmao

[waxen panther]

proprietary software 🥱

[spare venture]

mojang is the bad guy for letting it happen and then would be the bad guy for taking their capes away that they paid for

[limber knot]

while I wont defend Mojang here, they can do whatever they want. it's their shitty game

[spare venture]

They can yeah

[limber knot]

what they should do however is open source it

runs

I personally think that not enforcing rules to a sane degree just results in people that want to play by the rules getting unnecessarily hurt

[spare venture]

That is true

And that’s what they have done for years

[limber knot]

I personally am glad that I never tried to make money with my server lol

not having to deal with that bullshit really puts your mind at ease

[spare venture]

Kids and the users getting screwed because Mojang let it happen in the first place, then getting screwed again because Mojang decides years later to crack down on it, but not other stuff

[limber knot]

I probably wouldn't either if I really had one

[spare venture]

I think positive reinforcement for following the EULA would be a better path for us all

[limber knot]

official, Mojang curated server list

Mojang should crack down on all the monster school animations that have gone really wrong

[spare venture]

Instead of sending a legal contractor at us with the old EULA lmao

[limber knot]

wat

[spare venture]

I wouldn’t mind that Phoenix

[limber knot]

papermc is not a game on it's own

[spare venture]

Most games have server lists and seem fine

Minecraft is bigger but they also have the resources if they cared about us at all, but they don’t

[limber knot]

main issue with server lists is how you make it "fair"

And if it has no adverts it would mean that the good servers could profit more from it

[vernal moth]

You don't

[limber knot]

because people are going to game it lol

registered a server 1000 times

[spare venture]

I’m sure if Mojang cared they could do it

[limber knot]

just randomly sort servers, offer some filters and and remove duplicates/spam is probably enough

but that's usually not profitable for server lists that rely on advertisement and people vistiting them to continue voting for profit lol

Maybe also crack down on invalid server list pings

[spare venture]

I hate server lists so it’s a win win for me

[limber knot]

paper server list wen?!?

[spring hemlock]

list

lists

??

wtf is phoenix

[limber knot]

the list of server lists

[spring hemlock]

wtf

[nova plume]

it says bot cos hes using irc

but hes an actual person

[mossy vessel]

What a blunt assumption

[nova plume]

lol

[tropic flame]

idk what's happening but I see eula discussion so I'm just gonna say: fuck pay 2 win servers

[worn ember]

No one
Youtube: BALLOOON
https://youtu.be/nZXaZzYvtSg

[dusk marten]

A good wisdom

[vernal moth]

I love how the same ppl that say fuck p2w are the same ppl that they we don't need gov involvement, the market will self regulate 😂

[limber knot]

uhm

[tropic flame]

most of those people probably do, but I'm not one of them

:+1:

[limber knot]

I think you know what my stance on government involment is lol

[vernal moth]

It wasn't directed at anyone in particular

[limber knot]

For some things the market will not self regulate

[tropic flame]

no regulation = easy monopoly

[limber knot]

Take drugs for example, they are too costly without gov. intervention

The gov should really produce more drugs and the prices would be lower

[vernal moth]

I was confused for a second

[worn ember]

mini turning it political again

smh

[vernal moth]

Cause I thought you meant weed

[stiff yarrow]

idk if you could ever justify regulating p2w though, how can you decide where to draw the line on monetization models

[limber knot]

I meant that

I mean, skins and cosmetics are clearly not p2w

[vernal moth]

English sucks, why is drugs both used for recreational and for medical stuff, smh

[limber knot]

anything else is

easy

[worn ember]

same as you draw the line on anything else

not that you should

[limber knot]

I mean Mini, we have too have stores literally callel "drug stores" in Germany (Drogerien) that don't actually sell recreational drugs

*called

[mossy vessel]

Ima draw a line on your forehead

[worn ember]

we call them pharmacies lol

[vernal moth]

Yet!

[limber knot]

pharmacies are different, they sell actual prescription, medical drugs

👀

tru

[worn ember]

then wtf does a drug store sell

[vernal moth]

Hygiene stuff mostly

[limber knot]

yeah

[worn ember]

[limber knot]

"soft drugs"

xD

[worn ember]

like sunscreen and shit?

[stiff yarrow]

@vernal moth hmm I guess we don't have a word for "drugs" that excludes medications, narcotics does fit that definition but you don't hear people refer to weed that way

[vernal moth]

In german we have Drogen (drugs, the fun ones), and Medikamente (medication, the boring drugs)

[limber knot]

"fun"

[mossy vessel]

Not that you can't have fun with the latter ones 😌

[vernal moth]

You shouldn't tho ^^

[worn ember]

yeah pretty much same in dutch, crazy right, its almost as if they're the same language

[spare venture]

How does one win on a PVE server with no objective or competition Phoenix?

[tropic flame]

in portuguese we have the word "estupefaciente" which probably fits that description

google translate just makes it "narcotic" in english tho :kekw:

[dusk marten]

Be on top of the leaderboards

[stiff yarrow]

in a casual conversation where you aren't talking to a doctor the word drug will usually refer to recreational stuff

[spare venture]

What leaderboards

[limber knot]

Most deaths, etc.

[spare venture]

Is it really winning if those leaderboards are just there to provide info and have no rewards or competition?

[stiff yarrow]

definition for narcotic does fit but no one uses it this way outside of cops a drug or other substance that affects mood or behavior and is consumed for nonmedical purposes, especially one sold illegally.

[vernal moth]

Remember the outrage with the micro payment horse armor in skyrim?

[limber knot]

yes, leaderboards basically make something a competition

[vernal moth]

Why is that not ok, but selling items in minecraft is?

[spare venture]

It is ok

[limber knot]

that's mojang's definition at least

[stiff yarrow]

Bethesda were trailblazers

[spare venture]

No, that’s not

They said leaderboards CAN

[limber knot]

There has been someone on r/admincraft that asked for help to prevent people from performing suicide after he opened a most deaths leaderboard

[spare venture]

Clarifying that PVE can be competitive too

[stiff yarrow]

the paying for mods thing that Valve (or was it Bethesda again?) were gonna do was actually a net good thing imo, but everyone over REEE-acted to it

[limber knot]

yes, a "most play time" leaderboard would be pretty dumb lol

yeah, paid mods was an insanily good idea

[worn ember]

i also liked that tbh

[limber knot]

like "use the game as a base game engine and the devs are okay with it? count me in!"

[vernal moth]

And spigots resource section is flawless

[dusk marten]

Bethesda, valve implemented it

[stiff yarrow]

you can find the same issues you find in spigot resources as you do with steams library of games

[worn ember]

no one said it was flawless

[stiff yarrow]

you just ignore the trash games and don't buy them

[worn ember]

last time i checked nothing is

[spare venture]

Yeah but steam isn’t forcing their ideals on their platform

[stiff yarrow]

steam will also refund you if you don't like the thing you bought

so there's that too

[tropic flame]

they could tho since it's their platform

[spare venture]

True

I’m not saying that they don’t have the right to

[worn ember]

its just that people expect modders to do everything for free without taking into account how much work goes into it

[spare venture]

Same for servers ded lol

[worn ember]

not really, plenty of people pay for ranks

[spare venture]

People expect it to be entirely free, anything you sell on top of that is pay to win!1!1!2!

[limber knot]

they pay because they get something from it lol

[formal turret]

Lol not the same for servers at all

[tropic flame]

idk how this conversation about mods translates to "pay 2 win servers" at all

[worn ember]

thats not a bad thing tho phoenix

[limber knot]

the amount of people that simply gift money without actually getting any product in return is insanily low

[tropic flame]

pay2win servers simply resell items that I could get for free in singleplayer or in my own server after acquiring my account

[stiff yarrow]

I think people demonize premium resources a bit too much based on bad apples, in any other market you see the same thing happening but no one bothers talking about it as we collectively ignore the trash products

[vernal moth]

it was about p2w to begin with, lol

[spare venture]

The conversation about pay 2 win servers translated into paid mods so I think it can translate back

[stiff yarrow]

there are indie games on steam with devs flaming their user base and raging too

[limber knot]

yeah

I hate when good games get ruined by them :S

glances at Objects in Space and Kerbal Space Program

[vernal moth]

steam doesnt claim to provide premium resources

[stiff yarrow]

is your issue just with the word premium

I just ignore that word choice

[tropic flame]

and you running your server doesn't suddenly turn into a different game where this doesn't matter

[limber knot]

they too have a certain quality control

[vernal moth]

honestly, thats a big part of it, yes

[limber knot]

would you rather have an unregulated market?

[spare venture]

That’s a joke logics

[vernal moth]

I also disagree with how everything is ran at spigot

[stiff yarrow]

premium in this context I think just meant "paid" not "high quality"

[spare venture]

A big fat joke logics

[vernal moth]

then call it paid

[spare venture]

And untrue

[limber knot]

it means "higher quality than the usual shit"

[stiff yarrow]

I've seen premium used in the context of "paid service" before

[limber knot]

which it is

if you think that premium resources have the same quality as the worst free/submitted ones then you are delisional

[worn ember]

wtf pay for service is p2w

[vernal moth]

but they also don't have the quality of the best free ones phoenix

[stiff yarrow]

I think its easy to notice the bad premium plugins, especially when their devs are bipolar shitheads

drawing attention to themselves at every moment

[limber knot]

no, not every premium one has

[worn ember]

hardly spigots fault

[limber knot]

they have the quality laid out by the premium guidelines

if you want to change those, open a discussion thread about it and argue your points

[stiff yarrow]

the difference between a great free resource and a great premium resource is simply the authors choice of whether or not to sell it imo

[wide chasm]

The problem with paid plugins for me is when the dev complains about the maximum price being too low, bad reviews or whatever their issue is this time and litter the forum with it

[vernal moth]

don't feel targeted by this nossr, I 100% approve of your business model, and I would be happy if we could evolve hangar into something that could promote such a model

sustainability is really important for open source development

[upper flicker]

Most of the premium stuff I saw was straight fucking trash

[wide chasm]

Other than that paid plugins sit in a nice corner of the site where I don't have to look

[stiff yarrow]

my business model is the ethical one imo

[tropic flame]

tell me why then

[upper flicker]

I don’t know what world you’re living in where the guidelines actually enforce any meaningful quality unless they’ve substantially rewritten them

[limber knot]

add an easy way to do continued monetary support through hangar including some special support/access 👀

[worn ember]

its just that so many kids try to grab a quick buck and post shit premium stuff

[vernal moth]

but I think if hangar ever facilitates paid content, we would individually approve the authors and their products

[worn ember]

but that happens anywhere money is involved

[limber knot]

I mean I am one of the ones enforcing it Z so...

[upper flicker]

There’s always gems of course but to say anything like “most premium is better than most free” is just laughable

Really hilarious

[limber knot]

but I agree, they should be enforced for all updates, not just new resources

[vernal moth]

yeah, we toyed with a patreon light kinda thing

[worn ember]

good luck approving 50 resources a day mini 🙂

[spare venture]

My server had tons of content that cannot be touched on singleplayer. How is that reselling stuff you can do in singleplayer?

[vernal moth]

why would we?

[worn ember]

.

[limber knot]

Just don't approve

[olive garden]

they can just do what they do with PRs

[limber knot]

party: selling your unique content != selling items for money in a normal survival setting

[vernal moth]

I don't think we got 50 new open source projects every day that paper would want to support

[limber knot]

Provide the option but always deny because it is "too shit"

[minor badge]

we wouldn't approve most projects lol

[worn ember]

you still gotta go over them

regardless if you accept them or not

[vernal moth]

it wouldn't be a form or smth

[limber knot]

The description can tell you a lot without looking into it

[tropic flame]

you're an exception to the rule then; as phoenix said, one is different from the other (and most p2w servers did really just resell items because they were basically rankup type server cashgrabs)

[vernal moth]

it would be handled by us reaching out or smth

[stiff yarrow]

if you truly wanted a high quality market place with only good products on it then almost nothing would be approved, but that would be the point, you'd only approve the actually good ones which is rare

[wide chasm]

If you only intend on accepting a handful resources then you can straight up deny 95% that comes in

[worn ember]

that sounds very biased if you ask me

[stiff yarrow]

you'd end up denying more like 99%

[spare venture]

Yes but I’m not treated as an exception by Mojang lmfao

[minor badge]

Hangar isn't gonna be an open marketplace; we never intended for that, and never will

[limber knot]

Why that?

[vernal moth]

thats combated by a big team, paper is democratic at the core, every decision like that would be a vote

[worn ember]

ion like that dude, lol no money for u

[wide chasm]

Well, 95% directly into the trash, the other 4% you take a closer look and throw them away 🙂

[limber knot]

Did you get a eula breach notif, barty?

[stiff yarrow]

quality stuff is rare

[vernal moth]

and I don't mind running an opinionated platform, if you don't agree, you can just go elsewhere

[stiff yarrow]

if you go on nexus for Skyrim mods, the good mods are in the 99.9th percentile everything else is trash

[vernal moth]

hangar will 100% warn users about obfuscated plugins for example

[worn ember]

yeah clearly seems to be the meta here

[spare venture]

No because I follow the EULA. In fact I only sell cosmetics even though I could sell anything I wanted because my server is not competitive

Because of morals

[stiff yarrow]

In fact the good mods are probably in the 99.99th percentile if you just go by the numbers

[minor badge]

keep in mind it's a big if and is full of woulds instead of wills; it's not something that's decided on at all, just exploring options

[stiff yarrow]

good on you for being ethical 👍

[spare venture]

But I could sell shit like /fly or sharpness 1000 swords if I wanted

[vernal moth]

and we totally will ask the greater community on feedback

[spare venture]

Which is kind of ridiculous that I can sell it but a PVP server can’t

[vernal moth]

we are trying to build a platform by the community for the community

but we reserve the right to factor our own opinions and morals in, because the community isn't always right

[stiff yarrow]

doesn't it violate EULA to grant any advantage? even just PVE?

[worn ember]

glad you are tho

[native wolf]

No

[tropic flame]

yeah

[spare venture]

No, as long as you have no competition

[tropic flame]

if you can get an advantage compared to others then it's not allowed

[spare venture]

Logics is very wrong here

[vernal moth]

there is no advantage if there isn't competition, is mojangs stance

[native wolf]

You can pretty much do anything if your server's not "competitive"

[stiff yarrow]

Oh I see

[tropic flame]

:+1: i read their guidelines myself and that's what I take of it, speak what you want

[stiff yarrow]

I know people who run the P2W servers just dodge the bans making the whole EULA enforcement kind of a meme

[waxen panther]

[stiff yarrow]

like prohibition

[spare venture]

Well. You’re wrong, so

[vernal moth]

mojang patched the srv bypass

[worn ember]

what i recall is that everything sold should be obtainable through gameplay

[vernal moth]

those ppl will have a bad time once thats backported

[stiff yarrow]

when did that get patched

[vernal moth]

last snapshot?

[native wolf]

In a recent snapshot

[vernal moth]

no last week

[wide chasm]

If someone really wants to bypass it, they will

[stiff yarrow]

damn Mojang is about to set fire to those servers

[olive garden]

why and how would it get backported?

[waxen panther]

Finally

[worn ember]

sure, but the majority wont bother

[wide chasm]

Yeah, they're just making it harder for the average user

[limber knot]

Who knows?

[minor badge]

it's a client change, but yeah, 1.16.6 could be released with such a backport

[vernal moth]

because its build in a way to be backported, and they backported it last time

[native wolf]

Yeah, but it will still eliminate at least 50% of those servers

[olive garden]

oh nice

[minor badge]

@vernal moth https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5473

[vernal moth]

they don't need to rerelease anything

[olive garden]

something they did correctly it sounds like

[stiff yarrow]

So you're saying this new thing can be bypassed too?

[olive garden]

didn't expect that

[spare venture]

Yay all the people who want to play their favorite server and paid money on their favorite server SOL

[vernal moth]

they just change smth on the launcher service and ppl will automatically download it

unless they use a launcher that bypasses that

[worn ember]

dont pay for p2w then lol

[olive marlin]

If they won't be able to play on it, they won't continue loosing money on it.

[tropic flame]

watch them releasing 1.8.10 /s

[native wolf]

No

Anything but that lol

[olive marlin]

Didn't mojang once replace the jar without new version?

[native wolf]

Yeah

[spare venture]

Pretty anti consumer attitude tbh

[native wolf]

It's called reuploading

They did that many times

[vernal moth]

its a lib, they just change the version of one lib in the manifest of all versions, and the launcher will download that update

[olive marlin]

Oh, nice.

[stiff yarrow]

Mojangs war on P2W servers is kind of interesting, I'd love to know why they do it

[spare venture]

Anyway I’m fine with the current EULA, I just think Mojang is going about the enforcement the wrong way

[vernal moth]

because the community pressures them to do it nossr

[spare venture]

Liability protection probably

[ashen cliff]

1.16, yes.

Wait. 1 up.

[spare venture]

Entirely fueled by money, not morals

[vernal moth]

this srv bypass fix was literally weeks after we asked for it in a meeting

[spare venture]

And the community in generals opinion on Mojang

Months

We asked for it like a year ago at least

[vernal moth]

yes, but not as concrete

[spare venture]

Fair

[waxen panther]

thank you mini

[stiff yarrow]

idk my opinion of Mojang has improved since they started to regularly do new content

[spare venture]

It has been pushed a lot more lately

[olive garden]

you guys are ruining my job

who will I develop for after this?

[spare venture]

At least they changed the EULA to something sane

[waxen panther]

partyrealms

[olive garden]

will I have to get a real job?

[wide chasm]

Personally am of the stance, don't play on it if you don't like it, no need for Mojang in that equation

[native wolf]

And especially after they started fixing the damn game

[spare venture]

😳

[stiff yarrow]

1.17 looks fire

[spare venture]

PartyRealms is always welcoming new faces 😉

And we are EULA abiding!

[pulsar wigeon]

moooods he's advertising

[vernal moth]

@minor badge https://dev.mysql.com/doc/connector-j/8.0/en/connector-j-upgrading-to-8.0.html

[wide chasm]

Trigary getting a stable job?! Unbelievable.

[vernal moth]

reading thru this now

[minor badge]

oh, neat! thanks!

[vernal moth]

but I think there are a few changes

not sure how bad, but yeah, theres no api really I think

[spare venture]

wiz gets pinged when my server is mentioned now?

[worn ember]

ping him to make sure

[tropic flame]

let's test

PartyRealms

[upper flicker]

If that’s an API break it needs to go up to spigot

[spare venture]

I knew wiz loved me

[upper flicker]

at least until the hard fork in ~le future

[olive garden]

this MC contract position is stable, so I already did it :P

[minor badge]

the legacy API class is now just extending the new class

[sleek dune]

PoopyRealms

[minor badge]

so that shouldn't do much

[wide chasm]

Not if Mojang comes in 😉

[stiff yarrow]

MC contract?

[olive garden]

oh yes

[spare venture]

Contract work

[native wolf]

Seems like it doesn't work now lol

[spare venture]

Damn

[sleek dune]

K

[spare venture]

PoopyRealms 😳

BalkanRealms*

[tropic flame]

KGBRealms

[ashen cliff]

AuthMe just jumped from 5 to 8, no code changes needed.

[minor badge]

I'll try with some major plugins that use MySQL such as LuckPerms, CoreProtect, and some others, assuming they don't package their own drivers (like they should...)

[native wolf]

Bro, no need to attack The Balkans lol

[vernal moth]

yeah thats also a jump from 5.1 to 8.0, but there was never a 6.0, lol

[minor badge]

there was a 6.0 actually, but no 7.0

[native wolf]

We are already in a mess

[ashen cliff]

6 never really existed, due to the ownership change.

[minor badge]

yeah i dont think LP for bukkit uses any own driver

nor does CO according to its pom

[worn ember]

i dont think anyone really bothers

[olive marlin]

Gj discord. If you reply to yourself, you can't enable ping. But if you edit your message with reply, then you get pinged.

[visual egret]

anyone know some cool games?

[sleek dune]

Test

[sleek dune]

reply

[true canyon]

Noita.

[sleek dune]

It works

[visual egret]

What are your thoughts on https://store.steampowered.com/app/1167630/Teardown/ ?

Steam

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Price

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[minor badge]

@true canyon

[woven otter]

ewww

[native wolf]

wth is that

[vernal moth]

https://i.imgur.com/0jxn6of.png

I love IJ

[limber knot]

uh anyone also know of a batch script to kill adobe stuff?

[true canyon]

Hi @minor badge

[minor badge]

helo

[true canyon]

That's not noita!

[true canyon]

GET IT AWAY

[limber knot]

just found out that alt+drag makes it possible to do square text selections

https://i.imgur.com/Y2pyWQM.png

[ashen cliff]

Here you go bro!

[vernal moth]

welcome to 1990

next you telling me you can have multiple cursors!

[native wolf]

irc bad discord good

[true canyon]

thanks

[olive marlin]

Hmm, I should monitor my network traffic more closely, I guess.
https://www.reddit.com/r/smarthome/comments/mn3p6c/lg_dryer_traffic_1gb_daily_updown/

[true canyon]

I just got one of the new puzzles! 😄

[meager tusk]

indeed

irc bad discord good

[ashen cliff]

irc bad discord good

[limber knot]

whoa there

[meager tusk]

Fact!

[frank otter]

irc and discord different

I prefer irc

[meager tusk]

Ok

[true canyon]

Well this is beautiful.

[frank otter]

Easter to customize

[limber knot]

discord is myeh

[meager tusk]

is that terraria mbaxter

it looks like terraria

[true canyon]

Noita!

[meager tusk]

idk what that is

[ashen cliff]

But, does it do any damage?

[meager tusk]

it looks cool though

[jade flax]

using irc is like using aol instead of texting

[true canyon]

I mean, it's a bunch of spark bolts so... heh.

[frank otter]

it's still nicer than discord imo, and easier to bridge

[ashen cliff]

Noita is very epic and very unfair. So very cool.

[frank otter]

if you want modernish irc I think it's called matrix

[jade flax]

does look nice

[olive marlin]

Matrix even bridges to some IRC networks.

Sadly not esper - they were supposed to enable it like 3 years ago or so?

[frank otter]

matrix is a mess of bridges

there's an xkcd for this somewhere e

I think this is xkcd https://matrix.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/xkcd1810-matrixified-v2-1024x842.png

[true canyon]

Same shop has this "oh no they're everywhere" wand

[true canyon]

I thought they bridged to us...

[dusk marten]

Seriously, apache request log?

[minor badge]

mfw he doesn't mention the ones communicating through walls

[frank otter]

GET /wanna-hang-out-sometime

also how much ram to competently run a curse forge server

[limber knot]

Depends on the plugin count

and what they do

[frank otter]

lots and lots

like maybe 200

[jade flax]

just found out, apparently you can use /me in iMessage on macOS but not iOS

[limber knot]

If you smash a lot of tech and biome mods together you might see some 10s of Gb or upwards

[frank otter]

shoot

I have 8gb, total

that's not brilliant

[visual egret]

what does that do?

[jade flax]

I'll test it and send a pic

[frank otter]

isn't it the same as I think Essentials (mc server) /me

like just say you did something

[limber knot]

You might just try, the server usually uses less than the client + integrated server, so you might get more information

Minecraft has /me built-in iirc

[visual egret]

* OskarZyg <message>

[jade flax]

Odd, they must've removed it

[visual egret]

the output of /me for anyone interested in mc

[jade flax]

https://imgur.com/RQkdU9N

supposed to do this

but, doesn't work on macOS 11

[twin lagoon]

@mossy vessel

[mossy vessel]

Morning

[twin lagoon]

[mossy vessel]

[visual egret]

roblox /me 👀

[ancient bolt]

!ban @willow sentinel ping spam

[thorny flicker]

:raised_hands: Banned Gadrial-#3953 (ping spam) [1 total infraction] -- DemonWav#1989.

[cosmic raft]

we're special demon

we got two pings

[jade flax]

oskar makes content for roblox confirmed

[nova plume]

bruh hes in the tuinity server too

[ancient bolt]

and aikar

[cosmic raft]

yea, just did not want to ping him :P

[olive marlin]

kash got 3 pings now 🙂

[upper flicker]

Some people are just really popular

[left swift]

Looking 👀 for a girl 👩 for sex 🔥 is your mom free? 👵

[true canyon]

Wow they picked a bunch of popular folks. Well done.

[left swift]

Who is leaf simp

Simping a furry smh

[upper flicker]

accurate self description

[magic river]

That's just xkcd-style by the matrix folks, btw

Oh, nevermind, I'm wrong, it's them scribbling on top of an xkcd

https://xkcd.com/1810/

xkcd: Chat Systems

I'm one of the few Instagram users who connects solely through the Unix 'talk' gateway.

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) xkcd: Chat Systems (13 March 2017)

[left swift]

If it works it works

[magic river]

So all the circles in black are things matrix doesn't connect to

Or didn't in 2017 anyway

[ashen cliff]

Ah yes. Apache logs.

[magic river]

You've never used user agents to write a message? 😛

[ashen cliff]

I did.

Xbox and Excel were the best ones.

[mental meadow]

heiooo

[visual egret]

helloooo

[stiff yarrow]

blessed DemonWav updater of the gods

[ancient bolt]

wat

[stiff yarrow]

thanks for keeping the minecraft plugin up to date 👍 (unless it was someone else who pushed that update)

[ancient bolt]

yeah it was me

[true canyon]

Does anyone have an example of a bungee/waterfall plugin that sits on the proxy and sends/receives messages over plugin messaging channels from servers?

[granite axle]

i have a crappy old one

https://github.com/TeemL-MC/LunaticChat it's really badly written but it works

and was also one of my first plugins so dont expect much

[modest path]

he's looking for sex

[frank otter]

y'all be writing mc plugins and I'm still messing with skript

[modest path]

that doesn't look that bad for a first plugin

skript 🤢

[frank otter]

that was an overstatement

I don't know skript

I sit around checking file perms and shish and sshing into a mc server which my friends helps run bcs I can't rlly play mc and he doesn't Linux

[modest path]

LMFAO kinda me

i dont even play minecraft i just write java

i dont even play fnf i just write hx

;-;

[visual egret]

i dont play mc unless the gamemode is fun

stuff like bedwars with friends is fun from time to time but you wont see me playing on an smp

[turbid spade]

I guess..

I guess we just sort of forgot about updating one of our servers to 1.16.5

😔

[modest path]

this

i miss actually playing games :(

[visual egret]

thinking of getting some call of duty games since i never played those

the only cod game i've played is warzone

hopefully they are as good as hl2

[waxen panther]

they’re not

even close

Not even worth comparing them

[visual egret]

hm

anything else thats something similar to hl2

[frank otter]

what's hl2

half life 2?

[nova plume]

Lmao then don’t come to a minecraft community

[visual egret]

yeah

[frank otter]

never played hl2 is it good

[visual egret]

really fun

[modest path]

half life 2 vs warzone?

[frank otter]

what is it

[modest path]

[visual egret]

i meant as in

[frank otter]

it is like a fps

[visual egret]

campain cod games

[modest path]

whenever i see hl2 i see half life

[frank otter]

the only two fps's I've ever played are apex and titanfall 2

[waxen panther]

cod campaigns have no real story and pretty pathetically easy

the coop ones can be fun with friends

Still not comparable to hl2

[visual egret]

i havent played the opposing force and the other game in the series though

might be worth playing those

[limber knot]

Did you play hl:A yet?

[visual egret]

yeah of course

[modest path]

titanfall is fun

i've never gotten to play hl alex since i dont have a vr headsett

[visual egret]

i mean

the first like 4 games dont need a headset

[modest path]

*experience

[waxen panther]

titanfall 2 had an amazing campaign

very epic !

[ancient bolt]

lol github gets rekt by this https://github.com/minecraft-dev/MinecraftDev/blob/dev/src/main/kotlin/toml/toml-psi.kt#L21

[modest path]

for those of you who know how to do thread designs for spigot that look nice, what software do you use to make them?

Either that or logos - i'm trying to make a logo for one of my repos and it always turns out looking ugly

cant even draw a printer smh

[ancient bolt]

find a free lance graphic artist and pay $250 and you should be able to get something decent

[quasi valley]

you escaped github there

[ancient bolt]

or just open inkscape and learn how to use it and maybe you'll come up with something

[limber knot]

Try to use the last amount of shapes possible

[ancient bolt]

im no good at logo design but I think the logo I made for mcdev is pretty nice

[frank otter]

I wasn't prepared for the feels man

titanfall 2 is the best game I've ever played

[ancient bolt]

then there's this logo I came up with for a currently unreleased project

[upper flicker]

Should’ve paid the $250

[ancient bolt]

[frank otter]

who is Taylor swift

[upper flicker]

some random idk

[ancient bolt]

[waxen panther]

[ancient bolt]

[frank otter]

:frogno:

[void void]

.optimize

[limber knot]

https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/guide-server-optimization⚡.283181/

additional tips for improving server performance - https://www.spigotmc.org/posts/3684550

[modest path]

i i've been dicking around in inkscape but haven't made anything good yet

[upper flicker]

Is that where you made that monstrosity?

Inkscape?

[modest path]

made this in inkscape

[upper flicker]

The Q is kinda boring

[modest path]

it is

[upper flicker]

The background isn’t too bad

[modest path]

i couldnt draw a q

so i just used a font

[vagrant marlin]

just looks like you slapped that Q on there with paint

[modest path]

yep

that i did

[ancient bolt]

@mighty storm

[mighty storm]

Yay

[ancient bolt]

I think my ablum art rating order goes: Lover, evermore, Red, 1989, folklore, rep, fearless v. 1.tay, speak now, fearless, debut

[mighty storm]

Where's speak now?

[ancient bolt]

so

[mighty storm]

Oh there it is

[ancient bolt]

fixed

[mighty storm]

Yeee

I wonder which one she'll convert next

[ancient bolt]

I hope 1989 or red

imo those are her 2 most solid albums pre-lover

[mighty storm]

This is actually a great move for her, re-releasing all the songs

And she owns them

[ancient bolt]

I imagine the royalties for the originals are going to plummet every time she releases a taylor's version lmao

I was worried it wouldn't feel right but I shouldn't have doubted her. These are her songs, she knows how to do them right

vocal performance is better, song and instrumental composition is better, pacing is better

but the heart of the songs didn't change

[mighty storm]

Yeah it's not really a cover it really is a re-recording with modern software and hardware

[upper flicker]

I thought we had a channel to contain you people

[ancient bolt]

don't say it z

damnit

don't be a bully

[upper flicker]

😦

[mighty storm]

We breached containment tryst me no one will complain

Who would ever

[ancient bolt]

tay cannot be conTAYned

[upper flicker]

Now this is why we have a separate channel

To contain the bad puns

[ancient bolt]

don't be so swift with your judgement

[upper flicker]

I will take that as a swiftlang pun

[mighty storm]

AppleLang

[upper flicker]

Why the hell would autocorrect decide pun should be pin

[mighty storm]

Ping you say

[worn ember]

ping z

[mighty storm]

@z

[worn ember]

30ms

[ancient bolt]

Z's reputation is going to be destroyed for evermore unless someone decides to stand up and speak now

[upper flicker]

[worn ember]

evergreen

[visual egret]

everred

[golden gust]

Z's reputation?

[ancient bolt]

looks like Z's starting to see red, guess he's not a big lover of everyone making up folklore about him

[worn ember]

i swear i dont understand half of the words demon uses

[upper flicker]

Those aren’t even good titles for an album

[ancient bolt]

You're getting a little too fearless with these insults 😦

[quasi valley]

insults

[left swift]

[worn ember]

is bittorrent the "base" protocol for p2p? or are there other protocols worth looking into?

[vernal moth]

p2p isn't a protocol

bittorrent is a p2p protocol

there are many different ones

like, tor is a p2p protocol too

heck, blockchain is p2p

[golden gust]

Literally all it means is that clients, i.e. peers, connect to one another Vs somebkdy else's computer in the cloud

[vernal moth]

well, no, but bitcoain and ether and stuff are p2p

[ashen cliff]

Is Hangar P2P?

[vernal moth]

pfff, then we would give up all control, fuck that

[limber knot]

Advertising is p2p

Unless Mini decides to do big budget adverts for hangar

[worn ember]

fair

i kinda wanted to try implement the bittorrent protocol and make an app for it or something

since chrome marks all my torrent clients as virus lul

guess i'll make my own then

[wraith trail]

what are you downloading that says is a virus?

just downloaded both qbittorrent and transmission and it says nothing

[ashen cliff]

Anything?

[worn ember]

well both utorrent and bittorrent but ig those are kinda the same

i honestly dont know any others

i'll give qbittorent a try

[wraith trail]

utorrent is basically adware, so makes some sense

[visual egret]

hm?

[worn ember]

@wraith trail

[visual egret]

not interested smh

p2p hangar wen

[wraith trail]

hmm weird

[worn ember]

yeah no clue why its so picky all of the sudden

[ashen cliff]

Deluge life.

[worn ember]

windows had a fit too

it just yeeted utorrent out of nowhere

[wraith trail]

https://shx.gg/kiVgK1.png weird

does say virus for utorrent though

[worn ember]

odd

edge is being useless as always

[ashen cliff]

Could be Windows Defender.

[vernal moth]

yeah

[worn ember]

for sourceforge?

[vernal moth]

you most likely have smart screen or smth enabled

[visual egret]

wat

edge is my bff

dont say that about it

[worn ember]

oh yeah

wtf

at least give a security error then

[vernal moth]

and ye, I vouch for edge

best browser rn

[visual egret]

half the features dont work on linux though

[worn ember]

big poopoo

[nova plume]

True

I like edge cos of dns over https

[upper flicker]

I find that IE6 is the best browser anymore

[nova plume]

That’s ..... debatable

[upper flicker]

It’s objective fact

[nova plume]

I’ll take your word for it then

[ashen cliff]

I always use IE6 when visiting competitors pages.

[worn ember]

neither edge or chrome is having any of it lol

[nova plume]

Try Firefox or opera gc

Gx*

[worn ember]

hmm disabling smartscreen for apps fixed it

actively blocking torrent clients

[limber knot]

Censorship!

[peak ginkgo]

turn it off permanently like i did

:>

i am my own antivirus

[left swift]

Use safari

[visual egret]

👍not a broken game

cant even move the view

[peak ginkgo]

oooh cod

[worn ember]

have you tried turning the device on?

is the screen plugged in?

[visual egret]

the only way to get out of that state is to get killed

[wise spindle]

Help in #paper-help if possible 🙂

[worn ember]

thats not how that works

[olive garden]

impossible

[nova plume]

Why does spigotmc have 36 boosts but it’s not even verified

But we only have 9

But we’re verified 😎

[worn ember]

cuz you get no benifit for boosting here

spigot is p2w

[wide chasm]

Could be that they didn't apply for it

[spare venture]

As a further discussion point for the EULA, Mojang just proved today that LOOT BOXES are allowed, but not P2W

The EULA is a joke

[worn ember]

uh

[modest path]

hmm

[magic river]

mmm gambling

[modest path]

something doesnt seem right here

[nova plume]

Let’s encourage early gambling addiction to kids lmao

[spare venture]

This server just got unblacklisted https://buy.purpleprison.net

[worn ember]

tbh lootboxes are banned in belgium and the netherlands

so take that

[spare venture]

They have a permanent 90% off sale AND sell loot boxes.

[void void]

Mojang is one of the last actually decent game devs

[olive garden]

Why would they ban loot boxes, if loot boxes might only contain cosmetics?

[worn ember]

ah yes permanent sales

[magic river]

I wonder when the EU will ban lootboxes

[spare venture]

But god forbid you sell a fucking diamond sword on a PVP server

[worn ember]

cuz its gambling trig

[limber knot]

Hopefully soon