You’re selling gambling to children trig
#general
spare venture
limber knotBOT
though would that be the end of vote crates?
nova plume
I bet boris loves them
spare venture
Well, they are
Vote crates are fine but selling vote crate keys is not
Selling the keys is fucking gambling
olive garden
so what barty, do you want the EULA to allow P2W stuff?
void void
cause most loot boxes are promoting gambling
void void
and people abuse microtransactions such as lootboxes
spare venture
No, but I find it absolutely ridiculous that GAMBLING is allowed on a children’s game but P2W is not.
spare venture
well voting is gambling too then technically
Not with real money
olive garden
fair enough
worn ember
real money or not, thats not really the issue
void void
such as lootboxes
spare venture
Yes it is
magic river
Aren't Valve games nothing but lootboxes?
worn ember
if you do it with fake money, why wouldnt you with real money
limber knotBOT
Depends about which ones
olive garden
Portal? Portal 2? Half Life? Half Life 2?
spare venture
Because DED it’s an important distinction
worn ember
valve games are all cosmetics but yea
magic river
I mean, you can use the marketplace to get exactly what you want but in the actual games it's just loot boxes and keys you have to buy
limber knotBOT
hl:a and the portal games do not have it, the more competitive ones have
worn ember
they're also fully f2p
olive garden
Maybe I just haven't seen lootboxes yet, I suck at singleplayer gmames
visual egret
hl:a and the portal games do not have it, the more competitive ones have
portal coop
visual egret
same
worn ember
I mean, you can use the marketplace to get exactly what you want but in the actu...
i get to see whats in the lootboxes before i buy them
cuz of laws 
limber knotBOT
Though I think that artifact no longer has loot boxes in a gambling sense
olive garden
CSGO is not a children's game
spare venture
Right but that’s still gambling ded
visual egret
yet i play it 😎
magic river
You see what the box is going to roll or you get to see what it can roll and the odds?
limber knotBOT
Now that artifacts was killed
spare venture
You’re spending real money on the chance to get something good
olive garden
the odds are known
worn ember
You see what the box is going to roll or you get to see what it can roll and the...
the end result
spare venture
And kids should not be spending real money on that chance
magic river
If you get to see what it's going to roll then it isn't gambling, you just get random chances to buy things
spare venture
Still gambling
void void
And kids should not be spending real money on that chance
it's up to the parents to educate their children
spare venture
Oh fuck off
visual egret
you expect parents do to their job?
worn ember
"todays lesson is on fortnite lootboxes"
void void
"todays lesson is on fortnite lootboxes"
i meant to control their kids
visual egret
last time i checked spanking was illegal in the uk but literally every other parent does that
upbeat falconBOT
Requested by Trigary#9185 - CSGO age rating - result 1 of 9
golden gust
console manfs need to do a better job on their side by not storing stuff like credit card info by default
olive garden
I mean, if CSGO's lootboxes are bad, let's just close casinos...
magic river
Getting to see what the box is going to roll (as in you know exactly what will come out of it) is the same thing as just having a storefront that has random items available
void void
like most kids are broke they just steal their moms credit card for vbucks
magic river
Casinos have very heavy regulation on them
golden gust
But, like, majority of the lootbox games are already rated to a level where you'd be legal to gamble in many places
visual egret
18CSGO age rating, is 18+, why are there 12 yo's in this game?
good question!
golden gust
Soooooo...
worn ember
theres a reason casino's are 21+ tho trig
nova plume
> 18CSGO age rating, is 18+, why are there 12 yo's in this game?
good question!
and drunk Russians too
olive garden
21+? I don't live in such a country, sorry
worn ember
lmfao
visual egret
theres a reason casino's are 21+ tho trig
what is 21 i live in 18
magic river
Like, casinos have to publish their algorithms and odds and get independent verification of those and post gambling help literature all over the place and have age limits and on and on
void void
12 for csgo?
spare venture
I mean, if CSGO's lootboxes are bad, let's just close casinos...
Casinos don’t let children in
void void
lol
golden gust
nor do games if you configure your consoles properly
ancient bolt
what is your argument
magic river
Not even close, you're just making random shit up now
ancient bolt
you're trying to make slipperly slope / strawman arguments but you don't even have an argument to begin with
visual egret
12 for csgo?
cs isnt too bad, tbh id place cod warzone as more violent
magic river
Loot boxes aren't a generally useful thing that can also be gambling, they're just gambling
golden gust
at the end of the day, console providers and game providers do shitty things here like making it too easy for people to purchase stuff as they often require stuff like cards to be stored on the account
worn ember
imo its fine if its for games rated R and dont provide p2w stuff
olive garden
loot boxes are also a way to support an otherwise free service (game)
visual egret
p2w should be illegal prove me wrong
golden gust
but, many games which people complain about are already rated sufficently high enough that a console setup with parental controls prevents those games being started
magic river
If having loot boxes automatically triggered an 18+ rating that'd be a start
void void
p2w should be illegal prove me wrong
why?
worn ember
yeah except plenty of micro transactions exist in paid games lol
void void
just why
visual egret
why not?
worn ember
ah yes
visual egret
well make purchases cosmetic
worn ember
the capitalism card
ancient bolt
iirc the csgo gambling issues weren't even in-game, they were third-party completely unregulated gambling sites targetting children
golden gust
and, yea, console manfs defo gotta put a "if you can buy loot, game has to be rated 18+"
olive garden
I don't think that's what we are talking about demonwav
visual egret
yup
magic river
CSGO itself is gambling but you can also gamble even more on external sites, yeah
Or you could anyway
nova plume
100% a Rick roll
void void
rickroll
ashen cliff
It always is.
visual egret
how did you style it like that?
ancient bolt
fun fact: something with discord branding on it is not going to come from mrman314.tech
visual egret
oh the buttons are transparent nvm
golden gust
Like, it's a mixture of things, parents defo need better interaction and control over stuff and console manf/game makers need to be less shitty
void void
yeah
visual egret
i can get that myself dw
ancient bolt
lootboxes are just straight up a shitty experience
I don't see why anyone would defend them
regardless of the gambling or not argument, they fucking suck
worn ember
i hate microtransaction as a whole
nova plume
EA would think otherwise
void void
lootboxes are just straight up a shitty experience
part of the reason why i barely play videogames anymore
magic river
If you regulate loot boxes like casinos I'd be okay with them existing
magic river
They won't actually be used anymore of course
void void
every. single. fucking. year.
what about NBA2k and those sports games
golden gust
people complain about how the game is just last years game with a shitter plot and oh, hey, the ripped off fortnite
wide chasm
Why create a new game, when you can reskin the old one! /s
visual egret
what do you mean /s
meager tusk
Why create a new game, when you can reskin the old one! /s
Why did you append /s
nova plume
Fifa too
void void
that are like 90$ every release
golden gust
apparently the last fifa literally ALL they did was update the players base teams
upbeat falconBOT
Requested by DAMcraft#8506
meager tusk
Literally good business strategy. It's proven to work for EA
visual egret
ea sports creates great games every year :)
olive garden
frankly, I would rather just pay 100+ EUR for games and not have microtransactions :/
wide chasm
Why did you append /s
Because it's sarcasm /s
ancient bolt
I mean sure cat, but most people don't spend any thought on it. And loot boxes are psychological manipulation so people often aren't thinking critically about it anyways
worn ember
@magic river casually wanted to show you a lootbox and then they drop a new hero lmfao
wide chasm
apparently the last fifa literally ALL they did was update the players base team...
Yup
Fifa 21 legacy edition or smth
meager tusk
thank you
visual egret
well we know
void void
apparently the last fifa literally ALL they did was update the players base team...
cause your weird if u play and outdated fifa
meager tusk
i didn't know that
nova plume
EA used to make good games like nfs but then they just died
void void
thats how EA sports is still in business
wide chasm
Where legacy edition means "we didn't do anything"
meager tusk
i was wondering why they appended /s because I have never seen that symbol before
and was very confused
void void
i am poor:(
meager tusk
what an amazing line
restive turtle
Hi guysss, I have a problem and I don't know how to explain it .. please join the channel typing-sounds
It's just that when I go to that place, I'm kind of lagging there
golden gust
Like, at one point, new game releases generally means that they actually improved the game
void void
Hi guysss, I have a problem and I don't know how to explain it .. please join th...
wrong channel
nova plume
I found my 360 in the garage :D
restive turtle
wrong channel
Ohh, sorry
golden gust
We don't provide 1:1 support
if you can't type english in the support channel, you're on your own pretty much
wide chasm
At one point games didn't have dlc, micro transactions, lootboxes, etc. but here we are
restive turtle
if you can't type english in the support channel, you're on your own pretty much
But the problem really can't be explained, you have to see it ..
void void
if you can't type english in the support channel, you're on your own pretty much
use google translate
golden gust
don't ping
worn ember
golden gust
We don't provie 1:1 support
void void
don't ping
sorry
golden gust
99% chance you're talking about an already well known documented issue with the client
void void
didnt ping this time
golden gust
crossing chunk borders causes the client to stall
olive garden
even the Catan tabletop game has "DLCs", I don't mind them frankly, as long as the base game stays operations, see Arma 3 for how this can be achieved
magic river
DLC isn't loot boxes, not sure what that has to do with anything 😛
meager tusk
BRO!
waxen panther
If minecraft 1 is so good where is minecraft 2 ? 
wide chasm
In my opinion, if this extra content is so good that you release it as DLC, then it should've been in the base game
ashen cliff
Yes bro!
nova plume
Krusic is that actually how you look if you do then you look just like my chemistry teacher
magic river
Games have had expansion packs since before video games were a thing
olive garden
^^
wide chasm
Doesn't mean I like them
meager tusk
Yeah but we're talking about DLC
magic river
DLC scales from overpriced skins to expansion packs
meager tusk
😠
magic river
Like, look at Stellaris (or any Paradox game)
They have a mix of cosmetic DLC and major expansions to the game and put them out for years
void void
Mojang is still a decent dev
ashen cliff
Put that back, I was watching that!
wide chasm
Personally I don't like any kind of DLC, at the end of the day it feels like they're selling an incomplete game full price.
void void
no rip off DLCs, lootboxes, pay to win
magic river
That's not all stuff they could have put in the base game or even thought of when the game was released
void void
Minecraft?
golden gust
See, it depends on the DLC
Like, if it's something I could argue a team could pull off in a week or two, I ain't gonna touch it
magic river
Stellaris?
golden gust
But, sometimes, the DLC adds on so much that it really coulda been a new game
ashen cliff
You could just promise free DLC and when the game fails you just never release it. 
Thanks Dice.
void void
16x THE DETAIL
wide chasm
Like, if they didn't think of the DLC before the game launched, then to me the DLC isn't important to the game, at which point I see no reason to buy it. If the game isn't complete and they just put stuff in DLC to make more money, then they can fuck off completely imo.
worn ember
Ark dlc's be like: dragons/wyverns, use them on non dlc servers to flex on them cheapskates
left swift
Ark is best example of company scamming userbase for their game
worn ember
for sure
left swift
Remember when they jacked price up to 60$ before they even released the game
limber knotBOT
paradox also fits there
worn ember
loved how they just kept adding content instead of fixing their desync issues
left swift
Yeah I remember them releasing a dlc expansion before the actual full version of ark was out yet or something
left swift
Yea
magic river
Stellaris has desync issues too, sadly
Although I think the last update (not DLC) was supposed to fix that
Mostly by scaling things down, instead of having 100 pops on a planet you have 10 but they are 10x as productive
worn ember
props to the people of No Mans Sky tbh, sure their release failed but at least they fixed most issues
magic river
Because it only desyncs in late game and usually only if you pause or quit and rejoin
worn ember
yeah tends to be a trend in rts
same happens in planetary anhiliation
or however you spell that
altough i think it doesnt desync but just slows down the game
like space engineers
magic river
Anyway the game came out in 2016 and they've had 5 major content DLCs since then
Adding new mechanics and such
magic river
The game plays very differently at this point
Like, if they had spent the last few years working on those DLCs and not releasing they could put the result out as Stellaris 2
visual egret
just got stuck again 👏 👏 👏 👏
meager tusk
Oskar Glitch
worn ember
just got stuck again 👏 👏 👏 👏
me with linux tbh
magic river
Of course they've made $100 from those DLCs instead of $40-60 for a new game which is a big part of why they didn't do that
meager tusk
lewnux
worn ember
true, they also lose the playerbase if they make a new game
meager tusk
🏃♂️
magic river
But it also means even if you don't buy those DLCs you got a lot of improvements from the work done to the base game to rework things for the DLC
You just don't get the new stuff
worn ember
Rimworld is a good example of a game done right and dlc done right
magic river
This is how games as a service should work
visual egret
bedrock edition in a nutshell
left swift
Mewnix
worn ember
no
left swift
Uwu ded
visual egret
dednix
golden gust
left swift
Cat video of the day
worn ember
im not clicking any video from cat without a thumbnail
left swift
Men in black
golden gust
click it or ur a bitch
cunning raft
oskar
spare venture
RimWorld is a great game
spare venture
Rick roll I assume
cunning raft
nobody is falling for that
yeah just changed thread name
memorized that thread id
left swift
Haha me too ha
worn ember
daddy smith
golden gust
Before I disappear to go get some crap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr0tTbTbmVA
olive garden
considering it's like 9pm there, I find that unlikely
left swift
Cat shop to get new kitty litter and rugs
left swift
Horrors
modest path
Rimworld is a good example of a game done right and dlc done right
i'm not sure how to feel about that - it is a game done right but the dlc was disappointing
i mean compare royalty to SOS2 which is a mod that feels like a full dlc expansion pack
royalty just feels like a small content expansion mod
that being said i don't dislike royalty it added some fun stuff
worn ember
I feel like it added a lot more than people give it credit for
sure it didnt add super much new stuff but it did at a lot of new mechanics and expansion on the basegame
Personal opinion ofc
left swift
Drop a 40 bomb proxi
modest path
i only play core + 300 mods >:)
oh and sometimes royalty
mainly bought it just cuz i want to support the devs
worn ember
same
but yeah might be a bit expensive for what it adds now that i look t the price
but seei how far it came i'd gladly pay that for the devs
visual egret
Hmm... would hangar rules allow a bstats-like proprietary solution?
ashen cliff
But why?
olive garden
as long as it's opt-in I don't see why not
olive garden
people tend to prefer not to remake/reinvent everything as they get older
modest path
does hangar support inject-at-download?
olive garden
you will see it oskar
considering it isn't released yet, I don't think it supports anything at all
visual egret
minecrafties / spigotmc hire forum
novel horizon
are there any nice/decent plugins for warps? personals and public ones?
I'm looking for some, but most of them aren't looking that good, hmm
maybe https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/⭐-player-warps-⭐-➢-let-your-players-set-warps-1-8-1-16-4.66692/ looks okay
damn doesn't looks that good 😄 aww
worn ember
essentials
peak ginkgo
"personal and public ones"
novel horizon
it can but really badly tho
I knew that there was one plugin that was kinda nice before, but it's quite some time
worn ember
just google omega-ez-superdeluxe-warps
worn ember
Oh uh
left swift
Oml ded
worn ember
Lmfao
left swift
Wtf do you even do
void void
is there any chance paperchan makes a return for holidays?
worn ember
I rebooted
Dw i got this
It still thinks there's a debian installation somehow
Even tho I removed the partition and removed the bootrecord
visual egret
git gud
its because you need to do the thing
uh
run os prober again @worn ember
golden gust
osprober ain't the issue there
the boot partition, or partition it thinks is the boot partition, is in some filesystem format it doesn't understand
golden gust
gg
you'll need to zap the mbr or reinstall the bootloader from whatever OS you usually use
visual egret
I yeeted it
just like i yeeted ur mum in bed !!
worn ember
I can still boot into windows from the bios and shit
golden gust
mfw roasted by a kid who probs doesn't have pubes yet
UFI?
can probs just mont the EFI partition and zap the grub bootloader binary or something
otherwise, check disk boot order
🤷♂️
left swift
worn ember
I mean... I can change the boot order I just don't get why Ubuntu is still in there
I nuked the entire hardrive it was on. Including what looked to be grub
golden gust
is your board a UEFI board?
potent fossil
uefi entries are stored on the mobo
worn ember
Yes
worn ember
Wtf
worn ember
Why is that even remotely useful
potent fossil
there is also a tool that you can run to remove entries from that
golden gust
but, the actual binary is not, it's stored on the HDD
novel horizon
damn those warps are kinda meh too, shame :/
golden gust
EFI boards have a efi partition which stores all the efi binaries, such as the winboot program or grub
you'd wanna mount that and remove the grub bootloader
ofc, you probs wanna take a backup of that partition before you fuck with stuff, but, glhf
potent fossil
wait, ded, are you talking about it showing up in bios as a boot option
worn ember
Yes
native wolf
Gotta love when windows overwrites grub after update lol
potent fossil
i have to do that all the time
worn ember
So stupid tho
worn ember
Also idk what to install debian on i have like 50 partitions
vernal bone
Partition a partition and partition debian to it 
potent fossil
"i heard you like partitions ..."
golden gust
See, I miss the ease that MBR offered
But, like
GPT...
Like, partitions for days
worn ember
Like they don't even all fit
potent fossil
yes gib huge storage
vernal bone
You have 1TB, and only 1GB of swap? Set atleast 900GB as swap, and start a host!
left swift
golden gust
Don't start spouting shit like that
potent fossil
"it's an engineering MASTERPIECE ...... so anyway I want to make it piss beer into a cup"
golden gust
Z will start thinking about getting his atom host up and running again
brave radish
So I haven't been using java for long and don't know how anything works... will there ever be an OpenJDK 11 build for Apple Silicon, or only later versions?
golden gust
I think that there already was an 11 for apple?
Well, apparently Azul has it from a quick google
brave radish
yeah, Zulu though
golden gust
I mean, we got no idea
99% chance with 17 being an LTS and out soon, they're not gonna bother
zealous wedge
different jdk vendors may choose to backport the patch for native AS support
golden gust
but, who knows
zealous wedge
but upstream i doubt it'll be backported properly
that's really squarely in the realm of paid support plan
brave radish
Cuz like... is Mojang gonna switch to 17? I'd doubt they'd make that big a jump, but I also doubt they'd switch to Zulu, so.. I guess they could leave it running in Rosetta for now but seems like if they're switching java versions anyway they should switch to one that'll work on Apple Silicon + whatever ARM stuff MS is using
zealous wedge
microsoft has their own jdk
brave radish
yeah ik
zealous wedge
they'll probably add whatever patches they need to that
brave radish
isn't the one bundled with Minecraft plain OpenJDK though?
zealous wedge
that can change
the whole point of all the work mojang has done with the launcher is they can run whatever jdk they want
brave radish
I mean I'm always running latest stable from adopt anyway so it doesn't matter to me but still interested
magic river
Zulu is also just free OpenJDK builds
They just put in the work to backport the arm64 support
brave radish
backport? didn't they do most of the work porting the new versions too?
magic river
I don't think so?
RedHat did the arm64 port, Microsoft made that port more generic so it could support Windows too, not sure who put in the last little bit to make it work on macOS but Microsoft is claiming partial credit for it
There wouldn't be much to it in any case
brave radish
well MS certainly did too (they have, or at least had, a gh repo for their changes) but https://adtmag.com/articles/2020/11/12/azul-supports-apple-silicon.aspx
makes it sound like Azul did most of it
magic river
Wouldn't be surprised if "all of it" was mostly packaging work in any case
Since, you know, RedHat already wrote the arm64 JIT
Although thinking about it now I'm not sure if the JIT that ended up going in was RedHat's or Oracle's
Oracle had one but was charging money for it so RedHat wrote their own and tried to get it in to OpenJDK
Dunno if they merged that one or if Oracle decided that was a good time to open theirs up so they could keep taking credit for it
brave radish
Oracle had one but was charging money for it so
can start so many sentences...
magic river
btw if you look at Azul's JEP you can see it depends on the Windows arm64 one so that fits the story Microsoft is telling still
Depends on http://openjdk.java.net/jeps/388
brave radish
yeah I've seen that many times but that's cuz they started on Windows first
magic river
Which depended on https://openjdk.java.net/jeps/237 (but it already landed at that point)
Which was done by RedHat and Linaro
brave radish
I just want open Graal EE...
visual egret
ooh micheal reves made a beer piss robot
visual egret
epic gamer moment
brave radish
who uses real Debian for a desktop?
visual egret
ur mum !! 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
brave radish
ha..... ha..... ha.....
worn ember
I really don't know how I literally manage to botch everything all i do is press next and enter and still manage to break everything x.x
It installed fine. Rebooted and then rip
wraith trail
just cursed
golden gust
typical ded
pseudo pilot
i dont like java anymore
brave radish
just use Ubuntu or Mint
brave radish
are you on really new/really old hardware?
wraith trail
sounds like you're doing something wrong/something is weird in yor environment rather than "linux bad"
worn ember
Not really. Average
golden gust
not working generally implies either the existing grub install is derp or there is some "weirdness"
pseudo pilot
make this but only use loops, static methods, and variables
exact character by character
worn ember
I'll try booting into it directly
lavish crest
What is your opinion on C?
pseudo pilot
and you can change the output size by changing 1 class variable
worn ember
Hmm still grub but now debian grub
brave radish
What is your opinion on C?
I don't think anyone is really gonna say "C bad"... ever
Edit: I don't think anyone sane is really gonna say "C bad"... ever
worn ember
C bad
brave radish
lavish crest
I like C as an end user.
left swift
C is for Catherine the Great
worn ember
It's the amd64 i need right?
brave radish
probably?
wraith trail
assuming you have a decently modern system that isn't arm, yes
worn ember
Yes
modest path
i cant figure out how to get jfrog builds working with github actions ;-;
worn ember
Big poop
brave radish
and being as you're running windows.... assuming it's not like a brand new surface pro
brave radish
amd64
brave radish
well if it were the wrong architecture you wouldn't have even had a mouse pointer to flash
worn ember
looks like it
vernal moth
Just stick to windows, it just works
golden gust
does it show anything?
worn ember
lemme try
lean kiln
try this: rm -rf / --no-preserve-root
vernal moth
The year of the Linux desktop is a myth
worn ember
dont tempt me
golden gust
from what you're saying, sounds like display server went rip
lean kiln
lol
brave radish
try this: `rm -rf / --no-preserve-root`
without sudo...
lean kiln
ur supposed to always be logged in as root anyways right ?
vernal moth
No need for sudo when you already root 
I don't think I ever used users on my servers, lmao
brave radish
well yeah this is Debian so root isn't actually disabled
worn ember
Yeah I can do that cat
true canyon
try this: `rm -rf / --no-preserve-root`
I've done that before, it's fun seeing what works or doesn't work in the end when all that's left is what's in memory
worn ember
So now what cx
left swift
Install windows 98
worn ember
Ok
brave radish
I've done that before, it's fun seeing what works or doesn't work in the end whe...
accidentally deleted python when using GNOME on Ubuntu once...
worn ember
Install windows 98
Where do i install it to
left swift
Overwrite ur ssd
worn ember
Which one
left swift
The one
worn ember
Hmm
left swift
Why use windows 10 when you can use windows 98
brave radish
does "Try Ubuntu" in the installer work?
worn ember
from what you're saying, sounds like display server went rip
Could it be cuz I'm using display port and multiple monitors?
worn ember
Fun
golden gust
sometimes shit works fine in the installer as it's more... forgiving... for shit to blow up in the actual installed OS
worn ember
Yeah tell that to Ubuntu who also exploded on the gpu
vernal bone
Try installing Gentoo from source
golden gust
did you try ctrl-alt-f1?
worn ember
Yeah
wraith trail
what did it do?
worn ember
Go to commandline
wraith trail
cause sounds like your display server didn't start properly or something
yeah ok thats good
golden gust
so, yea, display server rip apparently
brave radish
maybe try installing with the "safe graphics" option in Ubuntu's installer?
worn ember
Time to figure out how to unrip it
golden gust
The OS is installed
the issue here is that the display server failed
maybe wanna install whatever amd drivers are available
Think they only offer blobs?
worn ember
Lemme try that
golden gust
appparently on ubuntu 20.04 the OS drivers are bundled by default, but, I mean, last I recall they where generally fine but not always perfect
wraith trail
give the output of lshw -c video
wraith trail
oh thought that was included on ubuntu
worn ember
I'm on debian btw
brave radish
are you in busybox or something...?
worn ember
I just meant Ubuntu also gave me issues
brave radish
oh thought that was included on ubuntu
I though Debian too; maybe not
worn ember
I can install it if it's a package
brave radish
golden gust
.g lshw package ubuntu
brave radish
ye ^
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/lshw
wraith trail
think its just lshw
golden gust
yea
wraith trail
you can get it manually too but forgot how
and lshw makes it look nice
well you could just use lspci, but meh
visual egret
is camping in cod bad
worn ember
Yes
wraith trail
if your drivers are correct it'll say driver=amdgpu or something like that
brave radish
I just realized sulu is blue
worn ember
Display unclaimed
wraith trail
yeah I think that means it's not set up correctly
worn ember
wraith trail
meaning you need to fix your drivers
worn ember
Noice
brave radish
when you tried Ubuntu, did you check the box for proprietary drivers?
wraith trail
amd has decent oss drivers
brave radish
well depending on how "open" amd's "open" is, they might be in that box anyway
oskar what?
wraith trail
according to google they are included by default
brave radish
ok
twin lagoon
amd drivers are installed by default
there is the optional proprietary amdgpu drivers
but you'd be better off using the opensource mesa ones
brave radish
when you realize you have a random partial implementation of Mojang's API running on your computer that you forgot about
meager tusk
amd's OSS drivers are better than proprietary ones
worn ember
Well i think they're installed
Guess i just reboot now
If that doesn't fix it im not even gonna bother
monkaS it's alive
brave radish
.g xkcd 456
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://xkcd.com/456/
brave radish
who renamed the bot...
potent fossil
pets cat
potent fossil
no plz
brave radish
me, bc its my bot
did you make it or...?
potent fossil
what did she ever do to you 
golden gust
Nothing
potent fossil
did you make it or...?
why is that relevant
brave radish
why is that relevant
it isn't
twin lagoon
`/mode #paper +q paperchan!*@*`
oh no he's speaking gibberish
quick pull him out of 1980
lean kiln
brave radish
I tried to make a .g for minecraft chat but DDG's API kept giving me a 500 for reasons I still don't understand
potent fossil
paperchan is using ddg
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=4 %2B 5
potent fossil
yup
visual egret
quick pull him out of 1980
excuse me
lean kiln
what
potent fossil
i also made this api for ddg from java, but then never used it https://github.com/simpleauthority/ddg4j
so, feel free? 
brave radish
there's probably a .g for Minecraft out there all ready lol
potent fossil
who knows
vernal bone
I tried to make a `.g` for minecraft chat but DDG's API kept giving me a 500 for...
@wraith trail Welcome at the rabbit hole
brave radish
i also made this api for ddg from java, but then never used it https://github.co...
thanks though; will hopefully see why mine doesn't work lol
potent fossil
their instant answers are just ass in general, you have to be quite vague
waxen panther
potent fossil
complex search terms will return nothing
left swift
Can u give ur bot a pfp simp
olive marlin
He'd need to create a Discord account here with an avatar nomana
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Hello A salutation or greeting in the English language. It is first attested in writing from 1826. (https://duckduckgo.com/Hello?v=i&kp=1)
golden gust
nothx
limber knotBOT
lol
left swift
Cat
golden gust
ew
lean kiln
left swift
golden gust
i gotta add the gif at some point
worn ember
Am i stupid or is usermod not a default debian command?
lean kiln
i dont have nitro anyways
left swift
Imagine 
worn ember
Yup I'm just stupid :)
normal frost
I did the process to use java 11 on windows, but it keeps showing that the main one is java 8, does anyone have any idea what's going on?
visual egret
uninstall java 8
native wolf
Your JAVA_HOME isn't set to 11
visual egret
the installer should have done that automatically
native wolf
Yeah
visual egret
but it didnt 
normal frost
I need java 8 for other applications that don't support java11
native wolf
If an app doesn't support 11 then it's probably old or poorly made
vernal bone
Specify the executable of java11 in your startup command
For as an example C:/test/java11/bin/java flags -jar paperclip.jar nogui
This way you can still keep java 8 as default, but can run the server using java 11
On linux just use sudo update-alternatives --config java
native wolf
That's Debian only actually
vernal bone
True.
visual egret
looked up valorant on google but forgot grepper exsists
native wolf
Lol
worn ember
Even installing discord is a pain
visual egret
no it isnt?
native wolf
How is that difficult?
visual egret
well i guess this is the search term ill use
worn ember
"you need dep x but it's not installed" ok so install it
visual egret
mfw 13 year old finds it easier than old ded to install well maintained application
native wolf
"you need dep x but it's not installed" ok so install it
Which distro?
visual egret
debian
worn ember
Debian
native wolf
Oh
You don't need to hunt for deps
You can just do "apt install ./package.deb"
It will install deps automatically
worn ember
Hm
visual egret
What is hangar based on?
native wolf
Ore by Sponge
visual egret
i mean as in what frontend framework
worn ember
Vuejs
golden gust
they're switching to nuxt
as per the branch and all the 200 recent commits or whatever
normal frost
C:/Program Files/AdoptOpenJDK/jdk-11.0.9.101-hotspot/bin/java -Xms2G -Xmx2G -XX:+UseG1GC -XX:+ParallelRefProcEnabled -XX:MaxGCPauseMillis=200 -XX:+UnlockExperimentalVMOptions -XX:+DisableExplicitGC -XX:+AlwaysPreTouch -XX:G1NewSizePercent=30 -XX:G1MaxNewSizePercent=40 -XX:G1HeapRegionSize=8M -XX:G1ReservePercent=20 -XX:G1HeapWastePercent=5 -XX:G1MixedGCCountTarget=4 -XX:InitiatingHeapOccupancyPercent=15 -XX:G1MixedGCLiveThresholdPercent=90 -XX:G1RSetUpdatingPauseTimePercent=5 -XX:SurvivorRatio=32 -XX:+PerfDisableSharedMem -XX:MaxTenuringThreshold=1 -Dusing.aikars.flags=https://mcflags.emc.gs -Daikars.new.flags=true -jar paper.jar nogui
worn ember
Nuxt is still vuejs tho i think?
normal frost
I tried it but it doesn't work
golden gust
But, it's pretty clear that it's nuxt and one can google ontop of that
visual egret
do you recommend following this or something else to get started with it? (https://nuxtjs.org/docs/2.x/get-started/installation)
worn ember
Fair
native wolf
You should read the docs no matter what lol
ancient bolt
nuxt is next but with a u
visual egret
i have the jetbrains student plan so i can use any jetbrains ide
ancient bolt
I mean, webstorm is good if you like intellij
vscode is also a good choice for web dev but isn't as smart in terms of code navigation and insight and everything else
visual egret
yeah id prefer to use an intellij based one, thanks
ancient bolt
and vscode has a different set of key bindings which is hard to learn if you're used to something else
golden gust
brrrrr
worn ember
You can't even get your screen turned on in a video game
fathom hinge
Hey is there a 1.16.5 spigot version with fix-cannons/tnt aligning randomly
visual egret
You can't even get your screen turned on in a video game
bro its supposed disappear from my view not stay turned off
it was on and it turned off and it got me stuck
worn ember
Good
atomic hatch
guys
visual egret
what
atomic hatch
I wanted to know what flags I can set at the startup of my server
visual egret
twin lagoon
a metric fuckton
lean kiln
lol
wraith trail
Hey is there a 1.16.5 spigot version with fix-cannons/tnt aligning randomly
Is this an inconsistency between paper and vanilla or 1.8 and 1.16?
lean kiln
visual egret
dang forgot lol
merry talon
and vscode has a different set of key bindings which is hard to learn if you're ...
there's an extension for intellij key mappings
there's an extension for everything
I don't know of anything intellij can do that it can't tbh
worn ember
hmm so i installed snap store but it doesnt show up under apps, but discord does 
visual egret
ok, another question since im a bit clueless, do i run yarn create nuxt-app <project-name> inside the git directory i just cloned or outside with its name?
im assuming i do it inside the dir?
potent fossil
that is going to create a new project with its own git repo inside
what are you trying to do
visual egret
i created a github repo on the website and i cloned it
and i want to push stuff to that
or is that not how im supposed to do it
potent fossil
delete the repo on gh, do the yarn create command, cd into the folder it made, add the remote URL, then push
worn ember
or force push
potent fossil
that works too
visual egret
delete the repo on gh, do the yarn create command, cd into the folder it made, a...
thanks
worn ember
ok well linux was fun for about 2 hours now i'm already tired of literally having to google everything xD
potent fossil
it gets better with experience ig
worn ember
yeah except everything i have to google are error codes lol
novel horizon
you look cool tho if u use linux
potent fossil
worn ember
i installed snap and installed the snap store but it cant even boot lmao
potent fossil
i dont have the time to tinker anymore, so i run windows with WSL. "looking cool" be damned, i need to get shit done
worn ember
yeah ok
upper flicker
snaps bad
visual egret
mfw ded has more issues with linux than i have with installing arch
worn ember
well not like i'm supposed to smell that right
easiest way i could get discord to run
(at least that runs)
brave radish
Wait... you installed Debian, and then added snaps on top of that?
worn ember
ye
brave radish
The only reason I would use Debian instead of Ubuntu is to not have snaps by default
brave radish
(or, ofc, if Ubuntu doesn't work for some reason, and it's rarely the case that Ubuntu works and Debian doesn't)
yeah, but you said it had the same problem as Debian
worn ember
yeah but ubuntu was just "some graphics error ok by now"
visual egret
mfw outdated but not
worn ember
i dont think i could open a terminal there
brave radish
well that's cuz ctrl-alt-f1 doesn't work on Ubuntu
visual egret
mfw outdated but not
upper flicker
just because its the latest version in ubuntu's repos does not mean its latest release
brave radish
like 15 or something is latest
upper flicker
damn it chicken zomberto man
brave radish
(and that's not Ubuntu, Z, I don't think; Ubuntu still has Node 8 lol)
upper flicker
lol
worn ember
ok now to figure out how to get intellij to work
upper flicker
go get the jetbrains toolbox appimage
from jetbrains website
run that
install what you want
done
brave radish
Ij runs fine on Linux
visual egret
jetbrains toolbox is lovely
upper flicker
well yeah they dont update it
brave radish
ik
spare venture
@worn ember are you trying to use a Linux distro as your main PC OS?
spare venture
Ah
brave radish
unless he deleted that lol
spare venture
Sounds painful
brave radish
he had Windows. Then Linux came along so.... maybe not anymore
spare venture
We all consider it at one point
waxen panther
ded is way too prone to breaking things to use linux full time
worn ember
for sure
twin lagoon
@waxen panther 
visual egret
ded is way too prone to breaking things to use linux full time
wtf screen shakes when i try to react must be discord bug reporting rn 😠
potent fossil
i used to as well, and it's fine, but i also like my games and while linux is making some headway on that front, i like my AAAs and quite a few of them don't work so I'd need to dual boot, and honestly, not worth it for me. I used to even run windows/linux on a hypervisor so that all I had to do was switch monitor and peripheral inputs (poor mans KVM switch) to play. the hassle just is not worth it when WSL2 offers such a great experience for everything that I needed linux for
plus I have my macbook for travelling
brave radish
put linux on the macbook?
twin lagoon
i want to use linux
brave radish
macOS doesn't break grub every time it updates lol
potent fossil
Nah. I quite like MacOS.
brave radish
no I mean dual boot
potent fossil
No need, Mac does everything I would need from Linux
I'm just in the terminal all day
brave radish
well... so am I... but normally ssh'd into a Linux machine lol
spare venture
M1 MacBook?
potent fossil
yeah, same
spare venture
Gross
potent fossil
No, I want an M1 tho. I'm running a 2019
waxen panther
spare venture
That’s one with the touch bar, right?
potent fossil
yes
waxen panther
I like the touchbar tbh
worn ember
well at least i dont have discord edge bleeding on linux
waxen panther
this was great for when i didnt know how to use linux
spare venture
It seems nice but it’s... something you don’t really need
visual egret
i cant wait until i can afford an m1 mac
upper flicker
its nice until it isnt
upper flicker
there are some applications where I prefer it
brave radish
i cant wait until i can afford an m1 mac
cheapest (recent) mac yet
spare venture
Not really some big innovation, just didn’t want to keep releasing the same MBP over and over
visual egret
cheapest (recent) mac yet
well im 13 and i cant afford it
upper flicker
should put the touchbar above a function row
potent fossil
I would agree with that
spare venture
Oskar 
jade flax
touchbar in place of function keys is abysmal
potent fossil
the function keys on the touchbar are a bit cringe
brave radish
but... oskar... don't you know... Apple is SO generous. With the education discount, you can save TWENTY WHOLE DOLLARS on your $700 computer
upper flicker
youre going to need that $20 to buy a dongle guy
spare venture
Apple is back to making deals with universities
Mine forces every freshman to use iPads
Fortunately I got in the year before that
brave radish
(tbf, the education discount is higher on other macs, but it's currently $20 on the baseline mac mini)
novel horizon
ew
jade flax
$700 for only 8gb of ram... pass
brave radish
you should see the surface pros...
jade flax
Oh i know
spare venture
A MBP is not a $700 laptop lol
worn ember
imagine forcing students to use x
jade flax
a mac mini.......
spare venture
Ultra thin notebooks are expensive
potent fossil
im waiting for M1 macbook with 16gb memory, then I'll be considering it. until then, i could care less about hopping on that bandwagon even though I've heard it's nice
spare venture
Comparable ones are surface pros, or XPS for nicer
jade flax
you can get one
spare venture
Which are not $700
spare venture
15” laptops are nice
waxen panther
i just wish other laptop makers would start using nice materials
i dont wanna buy a fuckin plastic laptop
novel horizon
people can get whatever they want, i dont like them though
jade flax
they'll probably do the same thing they did with the 17"
worn ember
Ultra thin notebooks are expensive
well 80k in debt or 82k in debt, whats the difference right
novel horizon
even with OH MY GOD BEST CPU EVER M1
I saw people buying new macs just because of it
spare venture
Dell XPS are nice broc
spare venture
Aluminum body
waxen panther
xps are the closest to what i want yeah
spare venture
Ye
jade flax
buy a 2015-17 macbook air
lean kiln
well tbh the battery is insane on it if you just browse the web
jade flax
for web browsing
spare venture
Carbon fiber looking inside
worn ember
i have a Dell G3
potent fossil
well there are people who are super concerned with having the latest everything. aint me, but more power to em
brave radish
well it is the best CPU ever lol
novel horizon
I know someone who bought it for like $1500 here because of the cpu
"why" "the new cpus are literally the best"
worn ember
lol i have a phone that doesnt even work as a phone anymore, i dropped it so many times the mic doesnt work anymore
jade flax
what kind?
worn ember
good old Huawei Mate 8
jade flax
ah, rip
novel horizon
I've got a phone from aliexpress
worn ember
lol
novel horizon
Actually one of the best I had though lol
jade flax
I have been considering upgrading to a 11700k from my 2700x... just not sure it'll be worth
brave radish
I'm hoping someone just magically reverse engineers the M1 and learns how to run Linux on it
novel horizon
dont wanna get 3k series?
lean kiln
pretty sure someone has
brave radish
pretty sure someone has
ik, but not rly
potent fossil
it's just an ARM cpu, why wouldn't you be able to run any ARM distro on it
jade flax
3k series doesn't look like it is much better
brave radish
Like, out of the thunderbolt ports only
jade flax
and is more expensive than the i7 iirc
brave radish
no USB
spare venture
iPhone 12 is nice
brave radish
and no GPU
brave radish
it's just an ARM cpu, why wouldn't you be able to run any ARM distro on it
cuz Apple
potent fossil
unkempt drift
wait what
potent fossil
here's the project for it https://github.com/AsahiLinux/m1n1
twin lagoon
"official support" seems a bit weird
jade flax
I mean, you can already run linux on a tb
potent fossil
yea dunno what that's about, it's clearly not official
brave radish
yeah, but, again, I don't think people even know how to use the GPU
twin lagoon
well it's official as in it's in the mainline linux kernel probably
but it definitely feels out of place to say official
unkempt drift
ok, yeah, my initial reaction to "official" was Apple was about to support linux on macs
lean kiln
lol yeah i assumed off the title that apple engineers were submitting patches
unkempt drift
which isn't what this sounds like
visual egret
mfw
waxen panther
pepehands
twin lagoon
@waxen panther hELLO
worn ember
visual egret
dang vue looks sexy
topaz mortar
It's more of Linux officially supports Apple silicon Mac's but Apple (silicon Mac) doesn't support Linux officially.
spare venture
carl bots mutes don’t persist if a user leaves and rejoins 
worn ember
lol
waxen panther
that is quite the emote
spare venture
It is from quite a nice discord server
waxen panther
gotta love vic
worn ember
you know what would be cool? if you could literally "dual boot" have windows running natively on 1 "desktop" and linux on another, and you could just alt-tab between them
spare venture
Just have two machines at that point and some sort of switch to switch between the inputs
Wouldn’t be incredibly complex
worn ember
ig thats true
lol so yeah, discord runs fine in snap but cant even get spotify to run through it 
spare venture
What distro
worn ember
good old debian
spare venture
Isn’t snap just a package software
worn ember
half the other shit i tried doesnt even want to install
spare venture
worn ember
not a big fan of ubuntu either
worn ember
ok
spare venture
Ubuntu had really all I needed
waxen panther
why'd you ghost ping nossr
quaint notch
idk
waxen panther
wdym you dont know
worn pasture
idk
quaint notch
dudes on do not disturd
waxen panther
and ?
worn pasture
wraith trail
gotta have mods 24/7
waxen panther
gotta ping em every 5 minutes to they remember to watch!
worn pasture
waxen panther
cant be sleeping on the job
wraith trail
that's what they get paid for after all