Yeah, the load needed in order to parse some sites is insane. Imagine if you bought a laptop 13 yrs ago just for searching, and one day, your laptop will fail to load the pages, just because how much cpu power required, even if you update the software. And here we are in 2021, the internet is faster than ever, the compression methods are better than ever, and it's still a thing 
#general
vernal bone
golden gust
software gets more expensive faster than CPUs get faster
this especially shows in the last 5-10 years where CPU speeds gen on gen are abysmal
the last noteworthy gen on gen increase I last knew of was with AMD
But that was them fixing their CPUs from a slow ass system which has been a massive bottleneck for like a decade or something
vernal moth
Yeah, the load needed in order to parse some sites is insane. Imagine if you bou...
Compression means cpu load
Craptops will perform better with no compression
vernal bone
That is true, but that shouldn't mean that web devs should just pack their websites with js bloat full of adverts. I don't think older people really care about their machines spec as long as it works, and I don't think they want to "swtich" as long as it works. The "if our site doesn't load in old machines we don't care, they should update their machines anyways" is just wrong.
vernal moth
Oh yeah if you want performant websites you wanna block ads
vernal moth
Thats an easy 500% performance increase
vernal bone
"Please enable js to visit this site"
true canyon
To satisfy my curiosity, what do you want to do that the API doesn't do?
vernal moth
Somebody at my company wants to do A/B testing using JS. Like, load the website, load some JS, change content
I refused, I'll not infect my carefully crafted website with shit like that
golden gust
I mean, some things these days rely on hardware accel for things like videos
vernal moth
If they want A/B testing, they gotta pay me and I'll do it in the backend where it belongs
void void
To satisfy my curiosity, what do you want to do that the API doesn't do?
A holographic plugin for my private server in order to no longer use HolographicDisplay
vernal bone
That's nice that you refused, that's what everyone should do. But some web devs think that visiting a simple recipe website taking 20MB-of data is completly normal 
I'm looking for pure information about how to do something, not for how to waste my bandwith.
olive marlin
That's nice that you refused, that's what everyone should do. But some web devs ...
Imagine serving unminimized JS/CSS/HTML etc, couldn't be me.
vernal bone
I mean even if they serve unminimized content related to the recipe that's completly fine.
But all the other garbadge, trackers and stuff should be nuked.
My fave one is the little video popup at one of the bottom corners, that will load in 4k obviusly
undone crest
I have to ask...
I've been googling how to create a flatworld server but I only get guide for singleplayer mode
Is there a way I can generate a flatworld for a "server"
olive marlin
Either plugin or modify generator settings.
Can also create it flat in single player and then move it to the server.
golden gust
can still create a flat world in server.properties with the level type
but, you can't easily customise it on the server
olive marlin
The generator settings are in server.properties and it's what is being used under the hood in SP.
golden gust
am not sure if there is the means there for it
olive marlin
I mean, it's just as customizable as in SP.
undone crest
level-type
I'll check that out
thanks cat and bloodstone
also
does discord enforce the 13+ age only
nvm the last question
spiral robin
hello
olive marlin
Hi aber
spiral robin
sup bloodstone
vernal bone
Aber 
spiral robin
hiya simon 
waxen panther
it does enforce it if it's reported with evidence
undone crest
is there a section in this forum where I can talk about anything like an #offtopic
waxen panther
yea, here :p
undone crest
how can I become a true weaboo
undone crest
nah its legit, I told someone I am a "weab" too because I read shingeki no kyojin
then the person proceed to tell me that I'm not a weab because its the only manga I've read
golden gust
undone crest
I'll stop
waxen panther
lmao
quasi valley
it's spelled "weeb" btw
golden gust
wasn't AoT basically like, one of those things people watched even outside of anime culture?
undone crest
I think so
waxen panther
yea the first season was very popular
undone crest
its the only anime I've watched besides legend of korra
waxen panther
after that not so much
undone crest
ah yes beyblade the symbol of status way back
I remember my dranzer he is in a better place now
https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=beyblade&ref=nb_sb_noss its much more expensive now
much more
golden gust
I remember the huge chunky ones that you could get from pound land
One of my mates had one of those and used it thinking he was gonna get an upper hand
Just, I could perform a fucking storm of a rip
Like, that thing would sit there for like a good 20 seconds running stupidly fast just whirring because it would randomly pick a direction and pelt in that way
My mates blade got in the way that swing
and, erm, lost its top
worn ember
brittle jacinth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tvmj6hOny8w this is FUCKED
ashen cliff
Epic.
brittle jacinth
this isn't in realtime unfortunately
I think I spent more time writing the script to capture every frame on IDA than on the actual binary.
The problem is that IDA is not meant to deal with self modifying code. After modifying the image, the graph is completely messed up. I haven't found an easier solution but to capture each frame, I had IDA run until it reaches the int 3 instruction, and then I reanalyse the entire program to refresh the graph view properly.
There's probably a better solution for this but I didn't look that hard. I'm not gonna sit in front of my screen repeating that for every frame (3284 times!) so I wrote a script.
Anyways the script ran for 13 hours, reanalysing my poor binary 3284 times.
granite axle
@worn ember you didnt miss much in spigot
worn ember
did they get salty again
worn ember
lel
worn ember
ye
ancient bolt
left swift
/s
upper flicker
That was paid out of pocket, no infra donations went to it
left swift
Emotionally
upper flicker
we dont really get much in the way of infra donations anyway
before someone flips their shit and I have to buy another one
left swift
You would if you sold colored discord ranks
olive marlin
Should have /s to make it clear I was joking.
ancient bolt
so do they not know that aikar isn't paper's owner?
left swift
Who is aikar
cunning raft
left swift
Oof that's pretty expensive
upper flicker
pretty cheap
vernal moth
Who is that guy even
left swift
A doctor
left swift
Cant u see by his clipboard and white coat
upper flicker
worth every penny
cunning raft
.g fivver frank public speaker
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.fiverr.com/hire/public-speaker
upper flicker
real actors are expensive
olive marlin
vernal moth
Oh I thought he was an actor or smth
left swift
Can have him do a voice over for the hangar release trailer 
zealous wedge
Oh I thought he was an actor or smth
that.. that is an actor
vernal moth
No like from some tv show
ancient bolt
can you have him read paper's source code
vernal moth
Like, a famous actor
zealous wedge
if you pay the bill, demon
upper flicker
not unless you have a hundred thousand or so somewhere
vernal moth
I nominate craft meta item
I don't mind paying for a meme hangar announcement if we can get a good text
I got too much disposable income anyways, lol
zealous wedge
just wait until someone rages about their plugin being denied for sth
upper flicker
He has a professional in business suit product thing
get writing a script
you know... after you finish writing the code
ancient bolt
i have so much shit I want to build in hangar
cunning raft
hangar teaser trailer
ancient bolt
gotta finish paperweight first tho lmao
vernal moth
you know... after you finish writing the code
I just watch jake writing code ^^
left swift
What specific part of the paper code
What was the most controversial patch
The zero tick one?
olive marlin
TNT dupe?
cunning raft
prob dupe fixes
vernal moth
As I said, craft meta item is the worse class's
upper flicker
should pick one of the github comments on a dupe fix commit
cunning raft
that shit got a lot of comments
upper flicker
or the "technical community"
left swift
cosmic raft
get him to read leaf's discord message history
olive marlin
90% of it will be bannable words over and over.
vernal moth
The pre paper 2.0 one kash? ๐
cosmic raft
yea
worn ember
cant tell if the seller is genius or the people bidding stupid
zealous wedge
just a bit of history there
vernal moth
That's more common than you think ded
worn ember
supply and demand :))
vernal moth
Parents getting harrased by their kids and not reading
zealous wedge
@static badge what do you think
upper flicker
worn ember
searching the r word does not dissapoint
ancient bolt
ancient bolt
worth it
upper flicker
if theyre gonna spam it I may as well help them
lean kiln
Master Aikar bring order!
ancient bolt
2 more stars
lean kiln
oo
upper flicker
3 more
zealous wedge
no, 2 more
upper flicker
no, 1 more
olive marlin
upper flicker
loggers
ancient bolt
worn ember
now get the issue count to 666
zealous wedge
nah, do that on paper
olive marlin
MM we need help getting to 666 open PRs on Paper.
granite axle
what exactly does the no table role mean?
granite axle
ah that makes sense
zealous wedge
no, it just means a paper core team member has come to our homes and removed our tables
zealous wedge
no we should make jmp a core team member
lean kiln
do you think maybe that issue is related to the indexoutofbounds we got with brig
zealous wedge
oh is that why completion was fucked
lean kiln
and the json arg
zealous wedge
yeah probably
golden gust
Don't even gotta be core team to accept PRs
zealous wedge
left swift
They keep them in a warehouse based in New Jersey where the jersey devil uses them to build tree houses to hide from hunters and tourists
lean kiln
yeah i saw
zealous wedge
thanks dual
lean kiln
might be worth testing and fixing that in cloud fabric
zealous wedge
probably still good to have that guard
golden gust
I got a few which just need a bit of a rebase to pull but I don't got the mental brains to do so, so I'd need to ask peopel to rebase stuff one by one to merge it myself ๐ฆ
lean kiln
oh yeah for sure on paper
idk if his fix is even worth including on paper as plugins can only really use brig for completions
zealous wedge
on any platform, devs can be quite creative in how they break things
golden gust
down the line, I kinda maybe wanna potentially look at exposing brig a bit better
lean kiln
yea I would keep the guard against it regardless
golden gust
right now we got the thingy event which lets people see the tree but i got no idea how useful that is in bukkt land
i gotta go look at ACFs brig impl at some point
lean kiln
clouds brig impl is based on that but much more refined
lean kiln
it was but it was kind of not fully ready
for the nms argument types yes
acf doesn't support those at all, cloud has equivalents that map to them
lean kiln
but clouds brig manager is based on acfs, just more refined by now
waxen panther
acf is very lenient and brig is not
left swift
Hi brocc
waxen panther
hhhheeeeeeeeeeyyyy
formal turret
after using brigadier i actually find it really intuitive to use and way nicer to make commands with than bukkits default so exposing that would be cool
waxen panther
where is that ๐ณ
waxen panther
and hello kash!
upbeat falconBOT
lean kiln
actually exposing brig for parsing and not just suggestions would require massive changes to the way bukkit handles commands
left swift
Lmfaooo
cosmic raft
formal turret
that's right, yank their eye apart
left swift
The fuck
waxen panther
formal turret
actually exposing brig for parsing and not just suggestions would require massiv...
that's unfortunate then
lean kiln
it is
maybe after hard fork ๐
but yeah idk really about exposing brig directly anyways
if you look at sponge they have their own api that maps to brig
to expose brig itself, the nms types would need wrappers at the very least
and they could get pretty cumbersome
zealous wedge
yeah - there's a whole separation between parse stage and execute stage in brig that almost nothing else has
brig is kinda both super overengineered and super underengineered at the same time
formal turret
it seemed like you could do a ton with it when i was messing around in fabric
golden gust
So, the mojang typical
spiral robin
hi @zealous wedge
formal turret
the first time i looked at it, it seemed absolutely insane and unreasonable
zealous wedge
hi aber!
spiral robin
spiral robin
zml my friends and i have most likely secured a place close to science world for sept :O
zealous wedge
like brig takes a very neat design concept, does the bare minimum implementation for what minecraft needs
spiral robin
~6 mins to downtown bcit campus which is aweeeseome
zealous wedge
and never got updated to add niceties
oooh aber we should (at a safe distance) wave at each other
spiral robin
golden gust
I mean, it's like their chunk system
in some respects it's reaaaallly nice
However, they didn't really bother doing the work to make it not blow perf wise
golden gust
Now I know why they call you Demon
spiral robin
rust scares me 
ancient bolt
dont fret my child
all rust variables exist in the circle of lifetimes
but you must never go into the shadowy lands of unsafe
coarse lily
rust scares me <:peepoSmile:405825238790570004>
It ruins cars. It should!
spiral robin
๐ช <-
golden gust
olive marlin
golden gust
the joys of such divisive issues and a democratic af organisation
unkempt drift
yeah exactly
ancient bolt
github actions caching frequently failing for me again
I was told actions was stable since the first time I tested it ๐ฆ
golden gust
oof
ancient bolt
All I want is a ignore-cache-failure: true
golden gust
2smrt4me
unkempt drift
you'd think if the cache failed, it'd just not use the cache
ancient bolt
in this case the build is already done
it's hitting a rate limit on uploading caches I think
but in that case it should just go "welp can't save this cache, oh well" and move on
not fail the whole fucking build
golden gust
Okay, yea, but, demon, see here is basically fuck you โค๏ธ
ancient bolt
this has been a known issue for some time now, still not fixed https://github.com/actions/cache/issues/467 https://github.com/actions/cache/issues/441
apparently you can only upload 10GB of cache every 5 minutes, that's likely my issue since intellij is chonky and I got a lot of branches
golden gust
gg
ancient bolt
how's this for a tag name filter [0-9].[0-9].[0-9]-[0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9].[1-3]
cause apparently I can't specify repeating components
or use character groups
fallen oracle
Oh do you have to add a branch for each new version of IntelliJ that releases?
zealous wedge
do they have many breaking changes between releases?
ancient bolt
just push a tag and have it publish
yes
and they add new features and APIs that can't be used in older versions, so we have to put code that uses it in the branches targeting those newer versions
a smaller plugin could definitely get away with not updating every version, but mcdev hooks into intellij in a ton of different places https://github.com/minecraft-dev/MinecraftDev/blob/dev/src/main/resources/META-INF/plugin.xml
making the chance that we hit breaking changes a lot higher
golden gust
MUH LEGACY PL0GENS
ancient bolt
I'm all for it. The current APIs are much nicer in a lot of places vs the APIs they had back in 2016
the branching system mcdev has is a little complicated and annoying but it's not that bad
high niche
๐ _ _
golden gust
'nuff said, really
bronze crystal
How do i get a death counter in the tab menu, im using the TAB plugin
native wolf
MUH LEGACY PL0GENS
https://github.com/DanielKabbaz/ChainArmor this plugin is compatible with ANY build of CraftBukkit, even the Beta CraftBukkit
So yeah
unkempt drift
has the bin/ folder in the repo
native wolf
lol i still don't know why people do that
ancient bolt
someone used mcdev github actions to attempt to mine shit apparently https://github.com/minecraft-dev/MinecraftDev/actions/runs/719373062
seems like github immediately banned them
upper flicker
gg
waxen panther
lol
vestal jasper
Lol
ancient bolt
I'm just glad github's systems are smart enough to ban the guy who opened the PR and not my repo
if google owned github and built it out my entire github account would probably be perm deleted now
upper flicker
Thatโs okay though because google handles appeals really well and is happy to put you in touch with a real person to resolve your issues
ancient bolt
- real person may or may not exist
mellow mulch
hi
golden gust
g fuckin g
mellow mulch
what did the PR do Demon?
upper flicker
google cares when one of their managers sees you trending on social media
ancient bolt
I would assume github actions shuts it down as soon as it sees mining behavior, so the only way to get any kind of throughput is spread out and get as many concurrent processes going at once I guess
zealous wedge
no, actions weren't automatically stopped
ancient bolt
this was definitely was
zealous wedge
the one on Sponge had to be manually cancelled
ancient bolt
these all stopped after nearly 5 minutes, idk how long it takes the action to set up before mining starts though
so no clue how long it actually went
mellow mulch
was worried for a sec because i use mcdev 
ancient bolt
mcdev mines bitcoin on your computer confirmed
magic river
"mcdev mines bitcoin on your computer" - DemonWav, 2021
zealous wedge
ah, that's where the paper private jet comes from
novel horizon
"Added support for Paper's (modern) PaperChatEvent with config option UseModernPaperChatEvent" ๐ฎ on DiscordSRV
ancient bolt
paper took all that extra cpu time gained from async chunk loading and pinted it towards bitcoin
guess async chunk loading actually decreased cpu time because it didn't spend so much time waiting ๐ฆ
cunning raft
discordsrv ๐คข
novel horizon
๐
cunning raft
idk why in the fuck they put it behind a config option too
mellow mulch
what does PaperChatEvent add that PlayerChatEvent doesn't have?
mellow mulch
oh my god
novel horizon
what if you dont use paper tho ๐ค whatever better to have option still than nothing ^^
wraith trail
does essxdiscord have plans to add role syncing of some sort?
cunning raft
yeah via an addon
wraith trail
ah nice
cunning raft
making the addon framework as we speak actually
lean kiln
there is no PaperChatEvent lmao
waxen panther
please its essentials xd iscord
lean kiln
it's AsyncChatEvent and ChatEvent
cunning raft
what if you dont use paper tho ๐ค whatever better to have option still than noth...
they can detect if the server has the event or not
novel horizon
yeah, true
cunning raft
they should just listen to it automatically if its there
lean kiln
would make too much sense jroy
cunning raft
but discordsrv loves bloating their config
they get happy anytime they get to add a new config option
novel horizon
imagine config of cmi
waxen panther
๐ณ bloat ๐ณ
ancient bolt
yay automatic plugin publishing https://github.com/minecraft-dev/MinecraftDev/releases/tag/1.5.6-2020.1
slow fox
is there a plugin that supports custom crafting with NBT that is easy to use
void void
does paper have a 1.17 version yet?
wraith trail
no
novel horizon
uh
void void
damn
novel horizon
what kind of question is that lol
why would it have
when there's just dev versions
wraith trail
there are snapshots, fabric does them
novel horizon
everyone would love to do paper for snapshots for sure ๐
and also plugins for snapshots pls, ty
magic river
Even with mojang mappings I think there is too much diff to make weekly updates feasible
novel horizon
more importantly, the plugins i'd like to use on snapshots are CMI, ClearLagg, PlugMan definitely
magic river
Like, for weekly updates that would need to be something you could mostly automate
magic river
Fabric can do snapshot updates because they don't do much ๐
wraith trail
yeah wasn't meaning to say because fabric does them in less than an hour that'd be feasible for paper
lean kiln
I mean Sponge does snapshots too
novel horizon
still tho I don't know why people would want Paper for snapshots tho
zealous wedge
we also comment a whole ton out
novel horizon
Fabric is understandable
lean kiln
fair
zealous wedge
mixins make it a lot easier to do partial updates
magic river
Sponge automerges and comments out any merge or build failures ๐
zealous wedge
nah we make it compile and run
cunning raft
still tho I don't know why people would want Paper for snapshots tho
updating plugins incrementally instead of having a whole new api dumped on you is nice!
zealous wedge
just some API doesn't get implemented
novel horizon
damn i forgot
zealous wedge
like i commented out half the map API when it changed lol
novel horizon
I wanted spigot to be available on snapshots, of course, not paper ๐
cunning raft
lol they do not try
md_5 probably has a snapshot build rn
could release it tomorrow
zealous wedge
sponge also has the advantage of like 4-5 people who regularly do snapshot updates lol
wraith trail
I mean tried to release publicly
spare venture
DiscordSRV config is pretty confusing
magic river
But yeah, mojmap and mixins make getting something at least partly functional a lot simpler
cunning raft
I mean tried to release publicly
wdym
slow fox
is there a plugin that supports custom crafting with NBT that is easy to use
cunning raft
when did they try
magic river
You wouldn't want to actually use the result though
waxen panther
My king md_5 is worth a thousand people!
zealous wedge
yeahh
spare venture
The wording is pretty bad and they reset their damn config every time you update the plugin
wraith trail
idk phoenix said they did a while ago and everyone got upset with them for minor changes
before I was at all invested in mc
novel horizon
i wonder how CMI config looks like
zealous wedge
it's mostly for validating our API and getting an advance warning when things are going to break or need changing in the 1.16 branch
waxen panther
novel horizon
u using cmi? damn
waxen panther
oh god does barty use cmi
zealous wedge
he used to
spare venture
A long time ago
zealous wedge
#1 top tester of the EssX CMI importer :p
cunning raft
idk phoenix said they did a while ago and everyone got upset with them for minor...
this is just a cop out
waxen panther
jobs is pain
spare venture
But doing a custom jobs solution would be a bigger pain
cunning raft
md_5 already doesn't care about the majorities opinion
novel horizon
majority ew
spare venture
The majority of servers are on paper 
wraith trail
Is there any real reason for spigot to exist?
novel horizon
I hope so
wraith trail
I mean why isn't it and craftbukkit the same now
novel horizon
I converted someone yesterday to paper, i hope
zealous wedge
md5 just wants to watch the paper streams that are non-stop after a release
wraith trail
they are managed by the same guy, don't see a reason for them to be separate
cunning raft
probably just for "tradition"
novel horizon
cunning raft
and since CB still has less vanilla gameplay tweaks than spigot
novel horizon
well gonna use spigot and need to do /reload as well
๐
and also probably need to use essx with cmi, just to be sure
slow fox
is there a plugin that supports custom crafting with NBT
cunning raft
stop asking
slow fox
is there
novel horizon
I don't know
spare venture
Plenty
slow fox
like
upbeat falconBOT
Requested by party#2255 - custom crafting plugin spigot - result 1 of 10
novel horizon
you can create some recipes even with vanilla, so
slow fox
not recipes that have NBT data
novel horizon
why do you need them so much anyway?
spare venture
What do you mean by recipes that have NBT data
novel horizon
make a workaround, trade items with nbt data from villagers or so, done
spare venture
You mean crafting using items that have NBT
novel horizon
๐คทโโ๏ธ
spare venture
That sounds more like a custom plugin
slow fox
example on what to have a diamond sword with attribute modifiers and enchantments
novel horizon
You can do that with villagers too, I think some plugins could do that, not sure tho
but with Shopkeepers or so you can create trades with nbt data too
spare venture
You could sell the item in an admin shop
But custom recipes with NBT is usually a custom plugin
slow fox
any easy to use custom villager trading plugins
novel horizon
I use actually Shopkeepers
as easy as it gets
put there items to trade, put items to get, even with nbt (enchantments, lore, names, durability etc) and done
icy bramble
does mojang still blacklist servers
slow fox
what about using / enchant to get items up to 32-bit integer enchantment value
spare venture
does mojang still blacklist servers
Yes, why?
icy bramble
doesn't seem like many servers care about enforcement of the eula anymore
spare venture
Oh they will care soon enough
icy bramble
"soon" was supposed to be several years ago, no?
novel horizon
From the start my servers basically 100% eula friendly
VIP gets a little bit more time on some things, but no op items or anything else
spare venture
Servers on the blacklist wonโt be able to bypass their blacklist in 1.17, and I assume they are also going to make any version unable to bypass it
novel horizon
and making a crafting recipe for items with enchantments value 32-bit integer ew
waxen panther
shh
granite flax
spare venture
Basically every blacklisted server just bypasses it
icy bramble
(context: i left the minecraft server admin scene 4 years ago)
spare venture
4 years ago they were bypassing it
icy bramble
so just trying to fill myself in
formal turret
isn't that why they just make you download their customโข๏ธ clientโข๏ธ
spare venture
Whoโs to say Mojang wonโt threaten legal action over that?
wraith trail
well no you can bypass it other ways, very easily
spare venture
Like what?
formal turret
i just remember that custom clients started becoming bigger after they started enforcing it ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
icy bramble
so in 2021 is it reasonable to assume it is not worthwhile starting servers that violate the eula?
spare venture
The EULA is very easy to not violate these days
waxen panther
violat
spare venture
They just changed it last year
formal turret
they loosened the eula a bit, things that were against it in 2017 might be ok in 2021
icy bramble
oh? what changed?
spare venture
If itโs not a competitive or PVP server, you can sell whatever you want basically
icy bramble
ah i see
novel horizon
can you really? lol
spare venture
Go read it yourself
novel horizon
so pve server can in theory sell anything they want, ew
spare venture
Yes
formal turret
this is the new one https://account.mojang.com/documents/commercial_guidelines
novel horizon
I read it, didn't saw that
icy bramble
this is the new one https://account.mojang.com/documents/commercial_guidelines
thank you i'll have a read of this
novel horizon
alright ^^
spare venture
I can sell a sharpness 5000 server on my server and Mojang wouldnโt care
novel horizon
maybe, I would care tho
def not gonna play on server that's doing that lol
hate those
novel horizon
although in pve might be whatever
spare venture
It doesnโt affect your gameplay at all
spare venture
Thatโs why you canโt sell that on PVP servers
novel horizon
yeah, exactly
just saying
they still do ๐คทโโ๏ธ
otherwise on pve it's kinda fine, when there's content and it can you help do something if it's an custom bosses etc
spare venture
Theyโll be in for a trip soon enough
novel horizon
yeah ^^
spare venture
Wonder what Mojang will do about custom clients violating EULA. Only large servers will do it, easy targets
icy bramble
"Be aware that certain games or game modes can be designed as non-competitive (such as a player-versus-environment (PvE) game) and become competitive by adding gameplay elements such as a leaderboard." - so you could sell perks that allow players to advance in their own personal progression system so long as that system does not have a competitive basis?
spare venture
Correct
novel horizon
hmm
magic river
I was about to ask about leaderboards, nice to see they thought of it
novel horizon
that's kinda weird though too, but I guess fine
maybe if you had 2 different leaderboards?
spare venture
Leaderboards they mean like island top from skyblock competitions
novel horizon
like one "vip" and second normal players?
spare venture
Or f top from factions
Not a baltop. Unless there are rewards given for being higher in baltop I guess
novel horizon
so they don't compete with each other
magic river
baltop?
lean kiln
so cloud and adventure?
icy bramble
is the new tab completion system finally supported with the cool colors
lean kiln
only thing cloud and adventure cant help you with there is a consistent color scheme and grammar
novel horizon
The new eula is kinda nice
spare venture
They improved it significantly in dev builds
lean kiln
i like it but im biased
novel horizon
some pve server seems nice with some rewards ^^
cunning raft
Essentials has really slow calculations
you try serializing hundreds of yml files
lean kiln
cloud maps to brig much better
magic river
If the things you're paying money for make it easier to get that in game currency I feel like that should count
lean kiln
its brig manager is based on acfs but much more refined
cunning raft
oh pagman?
spare venture
Thatโs pretty good
lean kiln
the api is not at all like acf though
novel horizon
lol
cunning raft
part of it is okdude
spare venture
Why do you hate ACF...?
cunning raft
@waxen panther i think you need to go to bed ๐
waxen panther
<@!264203519806930944> i think you need to go to bed ๐
I do need to sir ๐
Yeah acf includes a whole locale parsing thing...
idk man
spare venture
Oh
waxen panther
Jmp and I are not bias at all
lean kiln
if you enable brig yes
waxen panther
Not even a little bit
waxen panther
Reload works for me tbh
lean kiln
yea lmao
waxen panther
could never recreate that guys stuff
lean kiln
i couldnt even reprod
waxen panther
Any reload works
lean kiln
I always put System.gc() in a 1 tick async timer
cunning raft
plugman reload is worse than bukkit's reload
waxen panther
weirdchamp
cunning raft
iirc plugman doesn't clean any internal resources registered by plugins
idk why you're downplaying memory leaks
waxen panther
๐ฌ
novel horizon
still memory leak
whatever the size
"i could optimize it but why lol" for everything?
upper flicker
obligatory
This sparked and interesting memory for me. I was once working with a customer who was producing on-board software for a missile. In my analysis of the code, I pointed out that they had a number of problems with storage leaks. Imagine my surprise when the customers chief software engineer said "Of course it leaks". He went on to point out that they had calculated the amount of memory the application would leak in the total possible flight time for the missile and then doubled that number. They added this much additional memory to the hardware to "support" the leaks. Since the missile will explode when it hits it's target or at the end of it's flight, the ultimate in garbage collection is performed without programmer intervention.
damn discord mobile
cunning raft
ancient bolt
honestly that's probably the most sane thing to do for a missle
you're only wasting CPU time clearing memory in that scenario
fancy auto-release with github actions https://github.com/minecraft-dev/MinecraftDev/releases
ancient bolt
just wish I could link to the specific version deployed rather than all of them
but jetbrains doesn't provide a way to do that since they assign unique ids to each version
some asshole
ancient bolt
with intellij
upper flicker
did you just make that
ancient bolt
don't forget modding too
upper flicker
electroniccat is always one word
ancient bolt
modding would probably be an even bigger earth on top of the plugin earth
ancient bolt
meme generator I assume
upper flicker
so demon when do we tell him
ancient bolt
okay stop
I don't think we should tell him that you're actually the one who made mcdev
he put so much work in those memes
novel horizon
I don't think so
upper flicker
I will reveal the true developer behind mcdev if you promise to email them 5 times per day thanking them
ancient bolt
I think you should include a sizeable donation in each email if you truly are thankful
otherwise it's not a real thank you
waxen panther
upper flicker
quick delete the readme so we can really sell it
magic river
Do you want Bedrock because this is how you get Bedrock
Except they did singleplayer and did it before they merged multiplayer in 1.3
upper flicker
my understanding was that bedrock is more of a copy paste get it running, re-write in proper C++ later
magic river
They did a mostly line-by-line port of 1.2.5 singleplayer, commented out the bits that were too slow, and rewrote the renderer
Then they rewrote the commented out bits to be faster so you could run them on phones and thus Bedrock slowly regained features from Java
upper flicker
it's also been a while since so they probably have done quite a lot of work on the whole thing
magic river
That's why the networking is completely different too, the version they ported didn't have any and they added one optimized for P2P on phones
They've probably done some additional cleanups but based on their various attempts at adding some kind of modding I'm not sure it's changed that much
Bedrock is what you get when you start with the same basic framework as Minecraft and want to have the same features as Minecraft but take the time to implement things "right"
It also sucks at networking and running public servers but that just proves they don't care about that ๐
zealous wedge
all they care about is minecoins :p
minor badge
@zealous wedge awa
zealous wedge
uwu
waxen panther
<@97139815404810240> awa
good morning!!!
minor badge
good morning!!!
good morning broccolai of mine ๐ฅบ๐ฅบ๐ฅบ
waxen panther
mari of mine ๐ฅบ
worn pasture
uwu
viral hornet
Any bossbar plugin?
magic river
Seems like something you could whip up in an evening if nothing else
minor badge
@ancient bolt when does the album drop? 
upper flicker
camm is afraid of you so he wont ask you directly
viral hornet
neon peak
I need to broadcast random messages on the bossbar for 1.16, cant seem to find one ๐ฆ
potent fossil
Demon is a big teddybear with a pilot license, nothing 2 be afraid of 
I would trust him with my life
Not Z tho, very danger
upper flicker
๐ฆ
potent fossil
How is everyone? I had a giant mental breakdown yesterday and sat in the corner of a dark room all day, but now I am feeling ๐
viral hornet
Glad you're feeling better now simple 
upper flicker
I am over tired and over stressed
viral hornet
D:
upper flicker
but i made steak quesadillas tonight
and tomorrow is friday
so thereโs a light at the end of the tunnel
potent fossil
We can make it. If I have to I'll drag you across the finish line by your ankles
viral hornet
Australia - 12:00 PM (Perth), 2:00 PM (Sydney)
potent fossil
upper flicker
ok camm we get it you live in the future
you and your giant spiders and muscular kangaroos
potent fossil
sync with the timeserver camm
zealous wedge
aa hi simple am glad you are having an improved today
golden gust
.gc
upper flicker
smooth
golden gust
Just because referring back to that once every few months still amazes me in its elegancy
it's the ultimate garbage collection
potent fossil
thank u <3 my math professor from last semester is in a private little study group discord with a few other students and I and he told us "just one more month everyone, hold on, love you all" and that hit me different
the rest of my professors are essentially saying "fuk u" so that was nice
magic river
Some compilers do that
golden gust
some java apps do that too
upper flicker
it's the ultimate garbage collection
so we make paper blow itself up to fix memory pressure ???
magic river
Allocate and don't bother tracking or freeing because it's a batch job, it'll free memory when it quits at the end
golden gust
Don't have to worry about slow memory leaks if we force people to reboot every 24 hours
potent fossil
alright back to calc notes with me, happy memory talk everyone
potent fossil
u 2, ok bai
golden gust
โค๏ธ
viral hornet
@potent fossil NEED SOME BACKGROUND MUSIC?
potent fossil
yes
golden gust
oh, feats with keith urban and maren morris
warm anchor
How is everyone? I had a giant mental breakdown yesterday and sat in the corner ...
Noooo simple. We love you. Keep yourself together 
vestal jasper
hey @static badge what are your thoughts on it?
static badge
perma mute
static badge
that was a fast accept
static badge
just did
vestal jasper
Oh. I added you, so it prob auto accepted
left swift
Spicy drama happening?
lean kiln
ur mom
left swift
Oh man what she do this time
lean kiln
lol
untold copper
How is everyone? I had a giant mental breakdown yesterday and sat in the corner ...
D: hope ur ok now bro
worn pasture
nice job removing me btw
you're welcome
sand fog
can someone help
unkempt drift
.halp
limber knotBOT
ancient bolt
I wish the GitHub mobile apps dark theme looked like the website
It's basically unusable for me as straight black (or close to it)
olive marlin
I wish there was sane GH app for mobile. Official one is super dark, little contrast, and supports only single account.
Fasthub is still missing many features, like opening some direct links.
ancient bolt
Yeah I find the official app straight up difficult to use, and there's so much it can't do
Just using the website is way easier
Like the mobile web experience on GitHub is great
Really not sure what happened with the app
olive marlin
Ooh, I didn't know players had isDeeplySleeping method, i had to hack around it by hardcoding time when they get kicked out of bed in vanilla and the damaging them for 0 to kick them out of bed...
worn ember
I want the 4 phases of sleep
quasi valley
the 4 phases of sleep are dozing, deep sleep, depression, wakey wakey
worn pasture
hey what is sleep
worn pasture
the 4 phases of sleep are dozing, deep sleep, depression, wakey wakey
pretty sure the depression comes after the wakey
umbral tiger
TURBOOOO 
wet storm
pretty sure the depression comes after the wakey
Same
vestal jasper
before and after
worn pasture
TURBOOOO <a:BongoAnus:685817604228513792>
IS THAT A TEHLO IN THE PAPER SERVER
worn pasture
before and after
just doesn't stop really
vestal jasper
it's usually before for me tbh, i'm usually fine when I wake up
vagrant marlin
the pain never stops
twin lagoon
@worn pasture 
worn pasture
worn pasture
COME GET
twin lagoon
umbral tiger
D U C C
vagrant marlin
swings are amazing
viral hornet
https://tenor.com/view/killer-bean-gif-18948165
I asked ????.
void void
oh, i see
viral hornet
You're welcome
twin lagoon
@mossy vessel 
ashen cliff
Bro.
untold copper
BRO!
frank otter
but they ain't no Paradise duck
that's a damn fine duck
granite axle
i actually have no words
twin lagoon
why would a non-spigot plugin be allowed on _spigot_mc
granite axle
i checked what i was doing with profiles with a mod, he was the one that suggested what i was doing
potent fossil
did the resource description say some shit like "paper plugin" or whatever, or did it depend on paper, or did it scream that you should use paper onenable etc
if any of those are 'yes', valid
static badge
i prefer lax's plugin
potent fossil
hangar is coming soon
granite axle
i prefer lax's plugin
lax's plugin calls anyone that's not either male or female mentally ill
static badge
yeah his code namings are totally fucked
topaz mortar
Did ProFiles use adfly like link?
granite axle
nope
i moved over to polymart because i was sick of spigot's bs, i linked to my support server which then had a link to polymart (benz suggested doing that)
potent fossil
so, how was the download link then? what did it do when you clicked it
granite axle
took you to my support discord
potent fossil
and you are seriously surprised
static badge
the thing is with spigot is if you don't provide a direct download
you will get thrown off
rightfully so too
granite axle
and you are seriously surprised
a mod suggested doing it
potent fossil
i would be pissed if that shit happened to me
granite axle
sorry im probably in the wrong here
spigot has just given me so much trouble recently
twin lagoon
olive marlin
No. A mod suggested you link in the description to your support server and say there won't be future updates on spigot.
vernal moth
Hangar wen
potent fossil
lmao.
granite axle
Hangar wen
ifwhen it's finished
olive marlin
Just leave the download to old version.
granite axle
that's exactly what i did
void void
mojmap wen
potent fossil
-
literally uses paper-api in bukkit module, gets deleted for not a paper plugin, "its a spigot plugin tho"
-
download link redirects to discord, gets deleted, "i can't believe this"
alright im heading to bed, too much dumb already
granite axle
older versions are built on spigot, the only reason i depend on paper is for adventure, i'm looking into ways to support spigot too
static badge
the critical point is the actual download link
and then secondly whether it worked on spigot
olive marlin
Leave download link pointing to your last version you uploaded on spigot.
static badge
especially the second one
olive marlin
And you should be fine in this regard.
granite axle
thats a fair point
static badge
you're expecting to post a non-spigot plugin on THEIR resources?
granite axle
older versions were spigot
static badge
was the link to the older version?
potent fossil
doesnt matter, it's no longer a spigot plugin as soon as you did that
granite axle
and i was looking into solutions for making recent versions work there too
ya know what
ive had enough of this
static badge
is hangar going to let resources be posted that don't work on paper?
potent fossil
hey leaf remember when you were teaching me limits last year
im in calc 3 now 
not so bad
static badge
the limits of your stupidity have grown
potent fossil
dont be mean
twin lagoon
the limits of your stupidity have grown
untold copper
such mean much wow
olive marlin
is hangar going to let resources be posted that don't work on paper?
Velocity and Waterfall. I didn't hear anything about paper forks.
untold copper
tbh this is the first time I've seen leaf talk so much at once lmao
potent fossil
man was muted for a v long time 
static badge
well velocity and waterfall are different things
olive marlin
Yes, but velocity and Waterfall plugins not necessarily work on paper 
Probably up to discussion once hangar starts working.
AFAIK there's a lot of decisions that weren't discussed yet at all.
golden gust
I believe that the idea is "yes", we prefer that you don't and it will be limited to stuff based around us
i.e. we're not gonna host the files for your rando minecraft server impl
wide chasm
grabs pitch fork
wide chasm
Hey
ashen cliff
Just add flags for compatibility and filter search. Job's done.
olive marlin
a n t i f o r k b e h a v i o r
PR all your patches to Paper.
static badge
ill pr ur mom to paper
untold copper
bruh
ashen cliff
ill pr ur mom to paper
Do it.
zealous wedge
I believe that the idea is "yes", we prefer that you don't and it will be limite...
fabric mods on hangar wen
lean kiln
lol
zealous wedge
if fabric still exists by the time hangar is ready
lean kiln
modrinth
zealous wedge
thanks for your contribution leaf
static badge
CF is where people actually download fabric mods
zealous wedge
modrinth is a joke
zealous wedge
it has like 1k downloads on its most popular mod or sth
lean kiln
i cant look at curseforge without cringing
untold copper
thats 47 more than I expected
lean kiln
curseforge is so gross to use
zealous wedge
yeah
lean kiln
it feels more ancient than spigot
zealous wedge
because it is
lean kiln
like id rather get 100 downloads on modrinth
untold copper
curseforge is pretty ok i mean-
lean kiln
lol
zealous wedge
wasn't it originally a site for hosting WoW mods?
wide chasm
Curseforge does give you curseforge points, which is nice
lean kiln
the ui and ux is disgusting
lean kiln
site is horrible to navigate
untold copper
can't disagree on that
potent fossil
I still use curseforge for wow addons but there are some other places for it
lean kiln
also the descriptions are not markdown
wide chasm
Curseforge is kinda gross in places, but has quite a lot of functionality compared to other places.
lean kiln
so i cant copy paste off gh like i can for modrinth
wide chasm
Spigot's UI and UX are better than curseforge imo, but has so little functionality compared to curseforge
lean kiln
this is true
but the average user can barely find the correct download on curseforge half the time
with spigot theres one big button
ashen cliff
Bukkit is also epic: https://posili.me/i/2021-04-09_11-14-12.png
visual egret
Looks like they changed it since 2017
potent fossil
"it's a spigot plugin"
first lines of onenable https://static.jacobandersen.dev/shared/Slippery-Shibainu-06.png
aight goodnight
static badge
lol
visual egret
it's just so pretty
Same tbh
cosmic raft
"it's a spigot plugin"
**first lines of onenable** https://static.jacobandersen...
what plugin?
vernal moth
I mean, makes sense to not support outdated paper versions
potent fossil
Its called ProNouns, got removed from spigot for "not a spigot plugin" and they came here to complain and we didn't give them the response they wanted so they left
Thats not what it was mini
Alright my insomniac ass. Bleh. Just took a melatonin. Hopefully it'll help
vernal moth
They choose to not support inferior versions of the Bukkit api
I know who lucy is simple, I was there when they initially discussed with staff
potent fossil
Yes the problem was it was posted on spigot and then would forcefully disable itself when run on spigot.
vernal moth
Yes the problem was it was posted on spigot and then would forcefully disable it...
Hangar wen
potent fossil
This is indeed vibes, I'll save it for later cuz I'ma try to sleep (now the 4th time 
)
cosmic raft
who needs sleep
potent fossil
kash plz
