do i sense a fellow british person
#general
woven otter
but it's async..
async = good
untold copper
alpha + beta and all that
untold copper
ha no
left swift
Async? Threads? Better? Spigot? I'm willing to pay no less then 800$
left swift
No we say meth
nova plume
i do that too lol
untold copper
idk I've always use maths
woven otter
Async? Threads? Better? Spigot? I'm willing to pay no less then 800$
for that price you can get async but not multithreaded spigot
woven otter
rgb tps graph?
untold copper
yes, rgb spigot
nova plume
rgb = 69420% improvement in performance
untold copper
ofc
left swift
Sheeeeeesh
untold copper
@left swift ur fat
peak ginkgo
@worn ember Developers and beach pics, name a better combo
left swift
Duck and anime
quasi valley
weebs and badly coping with paper-chan's death
visual egret
Hibernating windows really fucks up paper
magic river
~~weebs and badly coping with paper-chan's death~~
nova plume
why, what did it do
visual egret
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/555469074080202765/826997823786319933/Pap...
aww
cunning raft
Hibernating windows really fucks up paper
all shutdowns are hibernations by default
peak ginkgo
@nova plume When you turn on the computer again, the server goes "ah yes lets see how long its be- FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK WHAT"
visual egret
no as in proper hibernation
peak ginkgo
and then it tries to tick
cunning raft
you have a history of having broken hardware
peak ginkgo
ALL OF THOSE ticks.
cunning raft
lul
nova plume
<@!583598681903726603> When you turn on the computer again, the server goes "ah ...
lol
peak ginkgo
ah yes, shutdown but also 6GB file
nova plume
i always hibernate my laptop cos i cba to wait for it to turn on
visual egret
anyway
cunning raft
only difference of hibernate vs default shutdown is that hibernate saves ram state
nova plume
even tho i hv an nvme ssd lol
cunning raft
default shutdown just saves the kernal state iirc
visual egret
this is tunity but same thing happened on paper earlier
worn ember
<@208641151509463051> Developers and beach pics, name a better combo
hah sounds about right
cunning raft
did you hibernate it while the server was running
visual egret
yeah
nova plume
why
cunning raft
ok then idk what you expect lmfao
peak ginkgo
Same happens with sleep
worn ember
big brain oskar
native wolf
See. https://u.dejay.dev/π½π¦π.png
tps goes zoom
mental meadow
dejay new avatar?
left swift
Pfp
mental meadow
very uwu
nova plume
anyone know of any good monitors, prefably high refresh rate that can be used vertically too
native wolf
visual egret
aurora i got a question
mental meadow
.ask
visual egret
Paper_Chan_Project_Pack_V2.zip theres a V1?
limber knotBOT
If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for staff or topic experts. Don't ask to ask or ask if people are awake or available. Just ask the question to the channel straight out, and wait patiently for a reply.
mental meadow
idk thats all I have
visual egret
interesting
wraith trail
maybe the magenta one is v1
magic river
I know I can rotate mine but I don't want to try to rotate them vertically
native wolf
`Paper_Chan_Project_Pack_V2.zip` theres a V1?
wait, what's that?
visual egret
nova plume
I know I can rotate mine but I don't want to try to rotate them vertically
what monitor(s) do you have?
nova plume
https://auri.gay/top-secret
paper-chan do be taking over everywhere
magic river
I'm confused
vernal moth
cant see anything wrong with a typical power consumption of 40% above the rated max
magic river
what monitor(s) do you have?
visual egret
that monitor is like half my pc
magic river
Anything else with similar specs is at least $400 more
nova plume
yh 4k 144hz
magic river
If you drop the 4k part you can probably find what you want for $300-500
nova plume
my current monitor, apart from my laptop screen is a 1440x900 panel with vga lmao
its super old
magic river
If you drop the high refresh rate part it's more like $120 π
visual egret
my monitor is epic samsung 60hz 1080p hdmi+vga TN
nova plume
my laptop screen is 120hz
visual egret
thats what i thought but apparently people like 120hz phones
nova plume
i need it for school and i use windows cos solidworks
rn id rather have a laptop cos school
cos boris likes schools open smh
magic river
For phones it makes sense, you want the screen to follow your finger as closely as possible
magic river
So you can't see the pixels
visual egret
my phone looks better than my pc monitor cries
native wolf
https://auri.gay/icons/ interesting lol
vernal moth
how often do you restart your PCs guys?
nova plume
like once every few days
magic river
09:04:09 up 11 days, 2:38, 1 user, load average: 1.34, 1.12, 0.90
vernal moth
I just saw that am on two weeks now, lol
visual egret
when i got to sleep but usually i just hibernate when i leave for a bit
nova plume
rn
magic river
I just restarted my desktop last night for some update but usually once a month
visual egret
vernal moth
c/Users/Martin
> uptime
16:04:44 up 2 days, 22:12, 0 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
wait no
nova plume
what are your systems like
peak ginkgo
dejay new avatar?
yes thank u π₯Ί
native wolf
nova plume
wsl
vernal moth
wsl shuts down
peak ginkgo
Just turned on this device
all my uptimes look bad
my newest hardware is only like 30 days old
so it's got 32 day uptime
worn ember
rookie numbers
peak ginkgo
How are you slamming your ram like that
untold copper
kek I really need more ram
no you dont wtf
nova plume
lol me vibing with 8 gigs
untold copper
how are you eating up 32 gb of ram
native wolf
how are you eating up 32 gb of ram
Winblows
worn ember
i'm usually at around 22gb of ram
peak ginkgo
left swift
I turn my pc off every night why do you guys never turn off yours lmfao
vernal moth
peak ginkgo
how do you people abuse your poor coomputers
nova plume
https://u.dejay.dev/ππ¨π€₯.png
4.20 nice
peak ginkgo
I turn my pc off every night why do you guys never turn off yours lmfao
I turned mine off last night, but thats rare I don't remember doing that at all
worn ember
unused ram is wasted ram
peak ginkgo
I woke up and coulen't tap the keyboard to wake it up
vernal moth
I turn my pc off every night why do you guys never turn off yours lmfao
hibernate to save time
untold copper
native wolf
left swift
Boot times are less than a second now what time are you saving
nova plume
worn ember
server go brrr
left swift
server go brrr
Ded joke go brrrrrrr
vernal moth
and then you gotta boot IJ, spring, yarn, docker, etc
untold copper
but even that doesn't take that much ram
nova plume
oof both drives hdds
topaz mortar
64Gig ram flex. 44Gig used yesterday.
worn ember
Ded joke go brrrrrrr
im helping cancer research smh
untold copper
oof both drives hdds
yeah :(
worn ember
thats a joke, i'm cracking mc seeds lul
left swift
Good one
nova plume
ive got a 2tb crucial ssd on my desk
but i cant be asked to open my laptop up
im very lazy
magic river
MX500?
nova plume
wait let me check
worn ember
servers cpu is pretty trash tho
nova plume
yes it is in fact an mx500
peak ginkgo
thats a joke, i'm cracking mc seeds lul
I could contribute to MC@H but I don't care
worn ember
whats that?
nova plume
thats like folding@home but for mc right
untold copper
herobrine seed
peak ginkgo
yeah
nova plume
scalped probably
peak ginkgo
i wish i could afford that
nova plume
like they paid way too much
peak ginkgo
I've considered feeding into the problem
but I write plugins for minecraft
isimply don' tmake that much
frank otter
I want a 3000 series but wtf would I do with it
worn ember
wait why does the gpu matter? isn't it more efficient to do seed cracking on a cpu?
upper flicker
Hacker News
nova plume
one of my friends is hell bent on getting a 3070 and he got one and immediately scalped it for 3 times as much smh
cunning raft
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26699106
did they decide this morning? 
upper flicker
Apparently yes
green edge
Good
cunning raft
green edge
That's amazing news
frank otter
wait why does the gpu matter? isn't it more efficient to do seed cracking on a c...
afaik things like crypto mining and cracking use gpu because faster maths
worn ember
fair enough
frank otter
wait Google copied what now
visual egret
60 pages long π€
magic river
So, this is great, but that still means you have to defend yourself in a lawsuit
nova plume
what even happened lmao
cunning raft
well yeah ofc
upper flicker
This goes back years now
magic river
I don't think you could cite this for a motion to dismiss, fair use is an affirmative defense
cunning raft
until there is a copyright small claims court in the US it will always be the case
upper flicker
If you google around there should be an abridged history
nova plume
oh
void void
Going to put this out there
upbeat falconBOT
Requested by Amaranth#2954 - oracle v google - result 1 of 9
cunning raft
pretty much Android made their own "JVM" implementing the Java API
visual egret
what about for my birthday will paper chan come back then?
cunning raft
oracle said they had to license their use of the API
nova plume
oh
void void
maybe sooner but christmas for certain
nova plume
well i suppose google was kinda the bigger company lol
frank otter
oracle copyrighting apis be like no printf is mine you can't use it
cunning raft
oracle is a huge company
upper flicker
Oracle had won every case up to now
visual egret
mfw
magic river
Google said APIs aren't covered by copyright
cunning raft
idk why you think the size of the company matters
magic river
They lost π
peak ginkgo
afaik things like crypto mining and cracking use gpu because faster maths
it depends on the coin
upper flicker
or at least, they presumptively did
worn ember
idk why you think the size of the company matters
size always matters
peak ginkgo
monero's algo sucks on gpu
worn ember
so how do you know what chunks are at x y z based on the seed tho? how does one determine that? By yoinking mojang code i assume?
untold copper
size always matters
thats what she said
frank otter
so how do you know what chunks are at x y z based on the seed tho? how does one ...
presumably
nova plume
yh
left swift
I cant believe oskar and snoopa swapped places
untold copper
lol
visual egret
what
nova plume
lol
left swift
untold copper
I shall now wait for better oppourtunities for thats what she said jokes
visual egret
I shall now wait for better oppourtunities for thats what she said jokes
thats what she said
magic river
btw the case isn't over
left swift
That lasted a minute
worn ember
magic river
They kicked it back down to a lower court, not sure why yet, still reading
visual egret
<a:pokiQueen:811258400482656297>
u ok?
nova plume
he needs help send help
visual egret
the poki emotes are getting sus
untold copper
thats what she said
wat
magic river
lol, Thomas and Alito dissented because of course they did
worn ember
md doesnt care about discord
native wolf
spigot is in maintenance mode
visual egret
no it isnt
visual egret
π whyπ weπ needπ paperπ hardforkπ
visual egret
would be a great late april fools prank right?
nova plume
ofc
cunning raft
lol, Thomas and Alito dissented because of course they did
seems like the obvious decent
nova plume
|whats a hardfork lmao|
cunning raft
fair use is subjective obviously
upbeat falconBOT
Requested by JRoy - paper hardfork - result 1 of 10
cunning raft
there
native wolf
once hangar is done Paper should be ready for it
native wolf
it wont be anymore when they hardfork
magic river
Right, hard fork would be saying Paper is its own thing and not just a layer of patches on top of Spigot
pulsar wigeon
uh, that decision doesnt actually rebuke the licensing/copyright issues right
magic river
No, API is still covered by copyright
pulsar wigeon
fair use is part of copyright
cunning raft
it says google's use of the API was fair use
pulsar wigeon
yeaok
cunning raft
oracle can still retain their copyright
magic river
They just ruled that this particular use is covered by fair use
cunning raft
it seems the dissent forgot fair use was the question
pulsar wigeon
dissent
cunning raft
gfdi
magic river
speech recognition?
cunning raft
blame apple for that probably
nova plume
and it takes me to gboard app smh
nova plume
blame apple for that probably
true lol
magic river
Well, I guess it did but I still didn't get the right word
upper flicker
The judge dissented on the case before he descended in his plane it was very decent of him
If I kind of speak very deliberately it seems to do okay
magic river
It needs clear context I guess
upper flicker
Probably more deliberately than Iβd speak in conversation but not too much
worn ember
seems legit
nova plume
very legit
upper flicker
It still seems to get it without context but itβs a lot less confident in the result
Think it changed 2 or 3 times before deciding it was right the first time
visual egret
Since when is help.yml a thing π€
magic river
They said Google was wrong on who/how fair use was decided (Google says it should be only the jury, Federal Circuit says it's a matter of fact and law so they get a say) but that the Federal Circuit got the law wrong
worn ember
arent legal issues fun
cunning raft
ask z
stiff yarrow
reminder that software patents exist 
cunning raft
as a professional he'd know
left swift
A professional legal issue
upper flicker
Yes I am a professional legal issue
Itβs my job to make sure things are as ambiguous and potentially damaging as possible
topaz mortar
lul
upper flicker
This is why I exclusively do business with oracle
left swift
upper flicker
We will soon be entering a partnership with them and Iβm sure thatll be fair and reasonable
cunning raft
paper will no longer work on openjdk
you will be needing an oracle account to use hangar
spare venture
Microsoft owns paper already 
cunning raft
yeah
they're not hiring any of the contributors either
i heard the cat guy was just in it for the money and "shitting on rugs"
spare venture
Refusing to use the litter box was one of the reasons they released they would not be moving forward with him
visual egret
i think im on crack
cunning raft
ok
nova plume
i thought u were already when u hibernated ur pc with a server running
visual egret
even more crack
vernal moth
Uuuuh, APIs are officially covered by fair use now
Does that mean we get to copy Bukkit and relicense? π
magic river
But yeah, the main thing the Supreme Court did with this case is clarify that for fair use the jury decides the facts on what is / isn't copied and such but the judge/court then decides if, based on those facts, the usage was fair use or not
cunning raft
i mean due to the nature of that shit, it will always be relitigated
magic river
The rest of it is just applying their fair use tests and coming to a different conclusion than the Federal Circuit
Glowstone doesn't reimplement Bukkit
tropic flame
uh
i might be missing a few english classes then, because what does it do, otherwise?
magic river
Reimplements CraftBukkit
visual egret
looks like a few commands dont have permissions set
tropic flame
alright then
sounds fair to me
actually no it doesn't, isn't craftbukkit just Bukkit's implementation?
merry talon
is glowstone actually, you know, good?
magic river
Bukkit isn't just interfaces
merry talon
haven't heard that name in a while
cunning raft
it died in 1.13
magic mesa
Glowstone is stuck on 1.12 rn
magic river
It's not like they take the javadoc and turn it in to source code then write all the implementations on their own
They depend on the bukkit library and then wire up the pieces it doesn't have
barren whale
tropic flame
imagine source code control through anonfiles 
visual egret
KGB pastebin VCS!
tropic flame
KGB Drive
visual egret
GitKGBHub
stiff yarrow
Someone remind me what Google did in the first place to trigger oracle lawyers
worn ember
im sure google knows
olive garden
android
worn ember
we already went over this like 3x today lol
wraith trail
re-implemented java in android pretty much
woven otter
3 times already damn
stiff yarrow
I just finished Days Gone and it was pretty good
nova plume
Istg weather in the UK is so clapped
This morning it was snowing and now it's so sunny
worn ember
Istg weather in the UK is so clapped
This morning it was *snowing* and now it's ...
same lol
waxen panther
its raining here 
nova plume
Bruh weather here is so dumb smh
left swift
I would hold an umbrella for u brocc 
woven otter
it's snowing here 
warm anchor
Isnβt it normal to rain everyday in UK? Or so do I hear
frank otter
Istg weather in the UK is so clapped
This morning it was *snowing* and now it's ...
damn I didn't get snow
nova plume
Isnβt it normal to rain everyday in UK? Or so do I hear
But not snow lol
Especially in april
waxen panther
thank you mana π³
nova plume
damn I didn't get snow
U didn't miss out on much it melted as soon as the sun came out again
frank otter
please say there was enough fir a snowball fight
nova plume
A bit where I live
frank otter
niiiiice
nova plume
Like just enough
frank otter
last time it snowed here me n some friends went out and had a massive snowball fight
like a snowball massacre
warm anchor
We have very different definition of massacre 
worn ember
no, they threw snowballs and then pulled out their m16's and started blastin
frank otter
hmm yes strangled snowmen on the floor
vernal moth
what am I doing wrong if my .dev domain sends 302s to itself? lol
visual egret
send a 200 instead ez πΆοΈ
worn ember
302 is redirect tho?
frank otter
same difference but yes you're right
vernal moth
frank otter
ah yes eternal redirect loops pog
worn ember
probably fucked up nginx somewhere?
vernal moth
I blame hsts I guess?
worn ember
hard to tell without any context lol
left swift
Blame ded
warm anchor
Lol
worn ember
π
vernal moth
I don't think that I am creating the 302
wraith trail
it's not a 302 it's a 307
vernal moth
server should be hangar, behind traefik
wraith trail
and that's not hsts
vernal moth
but nothing on that domain works
wraith trail
I smell cloudflare misconfig
vernal moth
like https://benndorf.dev/ is broken too
visual egret
Cloudflare ig?
vernal moth
https://hangar-mail.benndorf.dev/ works π€
wraith trail
do you have flexible mode enabled in cloudflare and are doing an https redirect on the backend or something?
because that's what this seems like
vernal moth
wraith trail
oh odd
vernal moth
hangar and hangar auth are manually mappings with proxy enabled in cf
hangar-mail is covered by *, which is only dns
frank otter
my small brain has been confused, is the domain pointing to clpudflare is pointing to the server
wraith trail
both, different subdomains
vernal moth
https://www.benndorf.dev/ works too https://benndorf.dev/ doesnt
wraith trail
dns is managed by cloudflare
vernal moth
cloudflare proxy is breaking it?
vernal moth
just disabled that
warm anchor
Sulu to the rescue wow 
vernal moth
now I get 301
wraith trail
vernal moth
back to http
wraith trail
which is odd
vernal moth
lol
mental meadow
For a japanese car the japanese support is somewhat limited
vernal moth
ok, lemme do full then, I had off
visual egret
just nuke everything and start from scratch, thats what i do when i fuck up π€·
warm anchor
For a japanese car the japanese support is somewhat limited
Gotta fork out some money to change console for language support xD
frank otter
For a japanese car the japanese support is somewhat limited
broken unicode powerrrrrr
mental meadow
"who needs characters beside ascii anyway" - nissan, apparently
visual egret
will hangar have spiget-like api so i can flex ratings and stuff on my readme's?
quasi valley
ratings
potent fossil
it better have some api because mcbanners will need it
quasi valley
there's all sorts of api
potent fossil
good boy
quasi valley
no ratings tho lol
potent fossil
that's fine, we'll replace it with reviews or something
whatever it has
damn i was dehydrated af when i woke up
damn near chugged 1.5L right now 
warm anchor
Simple do you like water?
potent fossil
love it
warm anchor
Exposed 
potent fossil
my only drinks are water and 1 cup of coffee in the morning, although sometimes I skip the coffee
mossy vessel
For a japanese car the japanese support is somewhat limited
I'm not sure whether I should yell at you for the dirty car or the letters
visual egret
water is epic
warm anchor
I think itβs the lighting
A small amount of dust in sunlight looks like it hasnβt been cleaned for month
potent fossil
that kind of material is impossible to not have dust on it in some amount
its annoying af
potent fossil
etern with the dust killshot
mental meadow
I'm not sure whether I should yell at you for the dirty car or the letters
Wtf it's super clean
Bad angle :v
potent fossil
give me a summary please that is far too long
celest coyote
its fair use
visual egret
google allowed to copy paste
visual egret
java se
celest coyote
no
visual egret
oop
celest coyote
reimplementing an API is fair use of the API
visual egret
next up: mojang v paper
potent fossil
oh, i see. oracle mad bc google used apis in android and they wanted money
i didnt even know that was happening in the supreme court 
vernal moth
well, it also saying that in general, reimplementing an api can be covered by fair use
magic river
Sure but just by applying the standard fair use test
You won't get a summary judgement by citing this, I don't think. You'll actually have to go to trial
upper flicker
Iβm sure youβll have to go to trial
you can, and likely would, cite this decision
but fair use gets so specific I doubt youβd get a summary judgement
left swift
Supremeβ’οΈ court
warm anchor
Party 
potent fossil
so wikipedia lying
magic river
wikipedia is talking about the Supreme Court part
frank otter
moar
vernal moth
I was wondering why my fans where spinning up π
frank otter
can we hit 1mil before (arbitrary date)
vernal moth
frank otter
we're getting there at least
nova plume
Boris is doing a speech rn
frank otter
is he?
nova plume
Yh
frank otter
is it worth watching
frank otter
politics in general is too political for me
quasi valley
that was either a clever pun or a 
moment
nova plume
F
quasi valley
youtube definitely knows exactly what I have always been craving for in my life https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bsk_EeKhc9I a bit of a 2/10 tho
spare venture
nvm wikipedia mentions 2010 lower in the article
Smh
I thought it was never going to get a decision
vernal moth
2003
magic river
Google v Oracle isn't actually finished either, something got kicked back down to a lower court
I couldn't figure out what though from my skim
It means there is precedent for copying an API being fair use but API is covered by copyright
Presumably a couple more people will try to sue over API copyright and also lose due to fair use and then people will just treat it like they aren't covered by copyright
visual egret
its available
warm anchor
Damn this google vs oracle is older than Oskar
visual egret
wtf
quasi valley
and still alive, unlike paper-chan!
quasi valley
o no my nitro expired
visual egret
uwu
quasi valley
and it still doesnt update your emoji view until you restart π
twin lagoon
true canyon
quasi valley
I embrace her death more than anyone, michale
warm anchor
Kenny just summoned all of them
twin lagoon
vernal bone
twin lagoon
kenny hate us
quasi valley
Kenny just summoned all of them <:PepeLa:798951090539987004>
yeah and I enjoy the π₯
left swift
quasi valley
nomana you use more poki emotes than I use smallant ones
tho I guess that'll increase again since I lack emojis without nitro now
worn ember
git rekt
quasi valley
smells like you have messages disabled here :pepela: https://i.imgur.com/u0TlcqW.png
quasi valley
discord has all the swag
visual egret
smol
quasi valley
ded's amazing dms, I forgot those existed 
https://i.imgur.com/wfwX3Mm.png
worn ember
lmfao
left swift
nomana you use more poki emotes than I use smallant ones
I only use poki emotes in this discord too
quasi valley
well it's the man, of course
visual egret
who is the man?
quasi valley
it's 
worn ember
not the woman
quasi valley
exactly
visual egret
how did he originate
gentle crow
Does someone know a way to disable tab completions for plugins that users have no permission too?
I tried working with the tab complete in spigot.yml but it doesnt seem to do anything. It's eiter blocked for all or unblocked.
visual egret
CommandWhitelist
magic river
Get better plugins π
waxen panther
who cares π₯±
gentle crow
Get better plugins π
Basicly all my plugins have this problem and including quite some big name plugins too, so I don't know.
magic river
You removed the minecraft.command.me permission or whatever it is?
visual egret
yes
magic river
Ok then, I guess someone broke things inside Spigot too
magic river
Basicly all my plugins have this problem and including quite some big name plugi...
Big name doesn't mean they're doing things correctly
They're supposed to be registering a permission with their command so Bukkit knows if a player is supposed to be able to run the command or not
worn ember
who cares π₯±
wtf toxic
gentle crow
Yeah I know but most have quite a big community maintaining them
magic river
That means if you file a bug report they might even fix it π
gentle crow
Must be hard to code, or only I bother with it xD
stiff yarrow
you know any occupation where you have to be in court regularly kind of sounds boring af, I assume being a judge would be the least boring, but imagine just having to deal with legal issues all the time and spending all that time in the court room, seems like a snooze fest
worn ember
i mean they get paid enough for it
stiff yarrow
getting paid well wouldn't make it less boring
gentle crow
I gues
worn ember
sure, but its sure an incentive to keep doing it
quasi valley
if your motivation is to enforce law/make sure noone acts unlawful, I guess that's also enough for people combined with ze money
visual egret
How do you guys start designing a minigame plugin? From the game logic? From something else?
stiff yarrow
with deductive logic to figure out how to implement a minigame
its actually pretty simple, and a good exercise if you're learning programming
"how would this be achieved using the API?" is a good question to ask yourself
knotty rose
I recommend doing a diagram on how you want it to work. Otherwise, youll be lost soon and youll have to start over
stiff yarrow
and continue from there
worn ember
yeah having a clear idea of what you want to achieve is important
knotty rose
Another good idea is to think in which features you want it to have, and how youre gonna do it. For instnace, imagine you want an arena per world: how are you gonna store the arenas? worlds? Schematics?
worn ember
you could pay me to do it
stiff yarrow
all programming decisions for modding a game start with - "how do I achieve this with what is available to me", usually you get familiar with the API first, documentation, open source code to look at for examples, and playing with it are all good places to start, then once you understand what you can and can't do with the API, you ask yourself "how do I do Y, maybe I use X? Maybe I use Z?" evaluate the best approach, revise it as you put it into practice and gain experience
spare venture
worn ember
then post code in paper and get bashed for bad code
stiff yarrow
there's a balance, as a beginner you don't need to worry too much about writing good code, just focus on learning and don't overwhelm yourself, as being a new programmer can be very overwhelming and learning by doing is an excellent way to get into programming
knotty rose
then post code in paper and get bashed for bad code
Thatβs what happened to me when i did forge mods in forge discord, but honestly here i have never had such an experience, people hace always helped me with my questions
worn ember
completely overengineering something simple is also a good way to learn stuff in my experience
was more a joke than anything Palo, but it does happen occasionally but more in the joke sense
olive marlin
Thatβs what happened to me when i did forge mods in forge discord, but honestly ...
Post your bad code here and ask for "what could be done better".
Not necessarily get shit on, just see people make real good and constructive criticism.
olive marlin
I should do it more often 
knotty rose
Thatβs what i mean, people give constructive critics, they dont start shitting on your code and on you
worn ember
https://youtu.be/JmuLQrtvdO8 yt compression really did a number on this vid lol
gentle crow
xD trippy af, and cool showcase.
stiff yarrow
my best advice is to use a book to learn, they will typically teach best practices or close to it, and hopefully won't teach you anything terrible (be careful with older books), waiting for other people to examine your code and tell you how to write it better is gonna be inefficient compared to studying from books, of course you can use other devs as a resource nothing wrong with that
everyone learns differently, do whatever works for you
books are great though
and learning by doing is great, start reading a book on programming, make some shit using what you learned and get that dopamine, read more of the book, rinse and repeat
olive marlin
My best advice is: write crap. Doesn't matter what, just write something useful for you. Start project, realize it's unmaintainable, see what went wrong, rewrite it.
Fixing issues makes you learn quickly how to avoid them.
stiff yarrow
once you're no longer a complete newbie, look to open source projects and competent devs and sponge up information
worn ember
i really wanna learn some low level langs but lack the motivation to lol
frank otter
rusts kinda low level but not really
it's a fun language, and powerful
idk about concurrency tho
with concurrency go is very good
olive marlin
Go has crap GC, it keeps messing up many projects. Discord recently did rewrite Go services to Rust because of it.
frank otter
GC? garbage collection?
olive marlin
Yes.
frank otter
oh yes rust has no garbage collection
variable lifetimes are part of the syntax iirc
which is nice
worn ember
yeah i dont want to touch go tbh
olive marlin
I haven't had any issues with Rust. And I see it improving more and more. But it's still a very young language, and you can see it.
round grove
I'm not racist but i finished making the base of my website and i already wrote 4 articles.
frank otter
the one thing I really like about go is the channel concept
potent fossil
...?
frank otter
it's really quite useful
potent fossil
what the fuck does that have anything to do with race
round grove
idk
olive marlin
Go was built to be concurrent. The go routines etc. And it's great at that.
round grove
yes
potent fossil
Alright, new block list entry. That was easy
worn ember
hes clearly just baiting
frank otter
why the heck is tea green
quasi valley
that's low tier bait tho
frank otter
but like that shade of green
woven otter
Reminds me of that not to be racist meme
π΅
worn ember
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
frank otter
but is it that shade of green
worn ember
looks like soup
potent fossil
it can be yea
round grove
tea is brownish
frank otter
that looks like liquid cabbage
woven otter
Ok simp
frank otter
that is green
potent fossil
where my embed 
round grove
sending messages to early makes it not embed
frank otter
https://static.jacobandersen.dev/shared/Rundown-Laughingthrush-19.png
for those too lazy to click
round grove
for those too lazy to click
thats more saturated than whatever
π΅
is
(in color)
knotty rose
Both look awful
knotty rose
Once i drunk a cup of that tea which people drink to make their stomach calm, and instead of calming it i vomited on an exam
so yeah, i have special hate to tea
Especially if itβs green
frank otter
I have much love for tea
potent fossil
hardly think that was the tea's (by itself) fault, likely an ingredient mixed in
knotty rose
That one tasted like hot water
it was that my stomach was already bad
but i really had to go to that exam, so i drunk that to calm it a bit for the first hour and then go back to home
potent fossil
so the truth is you were gonna throw up anyway
round grove
just drop out (joke)
knotty rose
Yeah, but i think it made it happen sooner
I actually vomited after waking up, after that my stomach was more or less ok, but my mother said that it would be a good idea to drink that so my stomach felt better
it was chamomile
Since that day, i hate it
spare venture
k
round grove
k
quasi valley
k
woven otter
k
olive marlin
the one thing I really like about go is the channel concept
Isn't it just a syntax sugar for RWLocked FIFO?
Cause from the short docs I just found it feels like it lol
livid swan
Spigot should add a new resource category: Youtube Plugins
frank otter
Isn't it just a syntax sugar for RWLocked FIFO?
probably but it feels nice
quasi valley
more like a forum software with a sad old plugin
woven otter
Imagine not using spigot resources for premium plugins 
olive marlin
Maybe now is the time to update my hangar version and try setting it up while I'm bored on the train.
Totally not gonna update the deployment setup.
spare venture
Hangar wen
visual egret
π
tropic flame
i guess you could say hangar has been hanging on
worn ember
mental meadow
youtube recommendations are on point today
@golden gust https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50p94kVSp8k
left swift
π³
worn ember
use IE for all i care about lol
limber knotBOT
Firefox master race
worn ember
yeah well you use eclipse so your opinion doesnt really matter
limber knotBOT
I'm just too lazy learning a new IDE that will tell that my code is grabage
visual egret
Firefox master race
IntelliJ master race
limber knotBOT
Correction, <Geolykt> whoa there
IntelliJ being better I can accept, eclipse being trash not
limber knotBOT
If anything I'd move to geany just to prove my point
zealous knot
IJ and eclipse are both fucking shit, use netbeans
visual egret
BlueJ
native wolf
Geany is a bit... barebones if you ask me
visual egret
washes hand and runs back to intellij
limber knotBOT
I mean, I used sublime text before I moved to eclipse, however geany should be better suited for java dev
spring mango
π¦ bru...
visual egret
why is XR so fucken hard
spring mango
Ok, I prefer Visual Studio Code, but in school we have to use BlueJ.
vernal moth
VS code isn't a proper java ide
its a text editor on steroids
a good one
but still not in the same league as IJ, netbeans or eclipse
spring mango
lol. I mean it's fine once you have the java extensions pack
golden gust
tries to be productive
dusk marten
Wait till you see the android studio users
golden gust
installs something which refuses to work, so, upgrades the OS and reboots as apparently that can fix it
networking doesn't come back up
panic but figure, probs ipmi board and gonna take a while to init
native wolf
Android Studio is basically IntelliJ + some Android-related plugins
dapper estuary
hola
merry talon
I'm too far into the vscode ecosystem to use any of the jetbrains stuff now
dapper estuary
so Paper is a plugin manager thing?
merry talon
paper is minecraft server software
zealous wedge
"vscode ecosystem" lol
dusk marten
semi yes
merry talon
yeah
dapper estuary
Oh so I need to download paper then the plugins?
waxen panther
got the vscode plus subscription?
merry talon
I have vscode pro
dusk marten
Oh so I need to download paper then the plugins?
You don't only need to download it, you need to actually use it
Or be someone of lesser value and use craftbukkit (just don't)
hazy gulch
dusk marten
It is cool as long as you use a fork of it
I honestly have no idea why it is still around
worn ember
visual egret
Oh so I need to download paper then the plugins?
paper is like a mojang server, spigot or bukkit
golden gust
probs javadocs.io being dead
dusk marten
paper is like a mojang server, spigot or bukkit
Let me recite my Bukkit is an API copypasta
visual egret
what?
worn ember
merry talon
oh great, digitalocean is pulling out of canada
so more taxes and conversion fees, yay
visual egret
my web browser crashes when i expand that
dapper estuary
paper is like a mojang server, spigot or bukkit
I have a MC server but it's relaly laggy so im trying to find a solution for that
visual egret
proper config + paper/tunity/purpur can fix that
also better hardware
how much players you have?
dapper estuary
hmm
jade flax
and jvm flags can help
frank otter
what's the hardware like
I can run 8 players on a four core 8gb ram fairly easily
and that's probably overkill
golden gust
use paper, provide timings
visual egret
Like up to 8
paper/tunity should be fine then, i'd reccomend paper since you are looking for support here
signal monolith
its official, Sulu is a godsend
visual egret
send timings, /timings paste
visual egret
doesent feel like forever
turbid spade
Anyone wanna see some pretty menus i made in Grakkit?
for my Skyblock server
in order. they go team size, spawner limit, hopper limit, island size, and generator tier
visual egret
ooh that looks a bit sexy
turbid spade
cunning raft
mfw grakkit in production
turbid spade
visual egret
dang
turbid spade
mfw grakkit in production
π’
visual egret
yeah only problem is, grakkit in prod
upbeat falconBOT
Requested by DarkEyeDragon#5583 - grakkit - result 1 of 8
turbid spade
I wrote a script to detect when a block was generated by a cobblestone generator
upbeat falconBOT
I wrote a script to detect when a block was generated by a cobblestone generator
Requested by brayjamin#7449
turbid spade
it checks the player's generator tier
worthy geode
You could just use Java at this point tbh
worn ember
oh so now they added a bot to show it...
turbid spade
kinda useful. sometimes
worn ember
when discord implemeted it
turbid spade
You could just use Java at this point tbh
if i knew Java π’
waxen panther
the fuck is grakkit
worthy geode
If you know another programming language (like JS), learning a new one isn't that hard
turbid spade
total poggers
waxen panther
ah yes
cunning raft
you know
waxen panther
total pepegadation
cunning raft
a few months ago
it literally just downloaded a js file from a remote server
and executed that as the base script
waxen panther
seems safe
turbid spade
yes, now we use NPM to download packages
worthy geode
time for some performance benchmarks with skript vs grakkit, lol
cunning raft
mf the first time we heard about this shit it was someone shamelessly self promoing it
worn ember
time for some performance benchmarks with skript vs grakkit, lol
quickskript > skript
worn ember
friendly community btw
waxen panther
java is pretty mature π
cunning raft
im gonna find the person who brought it up first
turbid spade
i guess thats true too haha
cunning raft
they went on this giant rant
worthy geode
quickskript > skript
is QS the one that parses when loading instead of during runtime?
Thats probably quite decent
turbid spade
cunning raft
they were saying that java is dead
turbid spade
XD
cunning raft
and that js is better
worn ember
tbh idk if qs is even production ready
cunning raft
top tier brain cancer
worn ember
you'd have to ask stef
turbid spade
You guys ever hear of Denzien scripts?
worthy geode
tbh idk if qs is even production ready
Seems like a nice idea in theory at least
cunning raft
brought up in the same way
waxen panther
java is OVER
cunning raft
"look at this cool thing i found"
when they're apart of the project
o fucking mega lul
turbid spade
true
waxen panther
es5 require imports are the FUTURE
turbid spade
that is kind of javascript
cunning raft
cunning raft
irc never forgets
visual egret
wow!
worn ember
Wtf even git hangs up on me
fatal: the remote end hung up unexpectedly
visual egret
<a:monkaE:815354339424993360>
tf is monka
visual egret
ded i think ur computer is fucked
cunning raft
you'd know
visual egret
go install arch or smthn
visual egret
you'd know
jroy the only thing thats fucked up on this thing is warzone
everything else runs fine
wide chasm
tbh idk if qs is even production ready
Yeah, no, it's not finished yet. Hopefully there's a build ready at Q4 2021/Q1 2022.
worn ember
hmm looks like its cuz i tried to do it directly from my gh account in intellij rather than using the repo url
worn ember
Yeah, no, it's not finished yet. Hopefully there's a build ready at Q4 2021/Q1 2...
damn thats long time from now, why you so slow
wide chasm
That's not that long considering it's been in development for almost 3 years now
worn ember
i mean, not much else that i can do other than giving in the url and pressing clone lmfao
waxen panther
ded can make anything difficult π₯Ί
worn ember
shit just loves to break around me its kind of annoying at this point
visual egret
ded makes configurate seem easy
