this is pure gold
#general
celest coyote
wraith trail
and oskar, nothing is wrong with it. The changes jroy suggested are meaningless
opal vale
minor badge
Acting-out Head of Legal
cunning raft
and oskar, nothing is wrong with it. The changes jroy suggested are meaningless
this is wrong
lavish crest
Does Paper 1.2.5 even exist?
cunning raft
it works on my machine
olive marlin
Camm 
viral hornet
Bloodstone! 
native wolf
Does Paper 1.2.5 even exist?
That comment is obviously a joke, not even Spigot existed back then
viral hornet
Good morning @quasi valley
visual egret
not exactly sure about what's wrong with the style: could anyone explain that?
lavish crest
I know
quasi valley
GOOD MORNING @viral hornet
lavish crest
Just though it was funny
minor badge
visual egret
proxi you kneny'd your pfp
wraith trail
oskar nothing is or can be wrong with the style of a binary patch, it was a joke
lavish crest
Hrmmmm
quasi valley
it's unchanged, no idea what you mean
mental meadow
granite axle
lmao
the Paper-Chan Integration and Quality Assurance Teamโข๏ธ
discord role when
cunning badge
has this project become a meme or is it just april fools because of time difference? Its still 31. for me
granite axle
yes
next frost
people r having fun
olive marlin
What do you mean? It has always been a meme.
mental meadow
it always has been
golden gust
sorta like proxies hopes, dreams and happyness
limber knotBOT
Good.
golden gust
and aurora's will to live
minor badge
when Z and 
started back in 1.7, it was all meant to end today on this day, becoming one big meme
cunning badge
okay nice
cunning badge
good to hear
celest coyote
blocked in canada 
golden gust
fuuuck caaaanaddaaa
woven otter
fucking leaf
stiff yarrow
wheres this
golden gust
(to the tune of that one southpark song)
spare venture
Blame Canada
true canyon
blocked in America
true canyon
Dear aurora,
I am terribly sorry to hear about your emails. However, this is not a legal issue.
Sincerely,
mbax
Acting Head of Legal
granite axle
blame oskar
oh no
it's spreading
also tf is a "sombrero of marketing"
like the other ones actually make sense
wraith trail
above the head
granite axle
but a sombrero?
brave radish
ok serious question: who's limbo-app?
I mean I know it's actually a bot but who is doing stuff on Oskar's PR with it?
obtuse ocean
Papermc devs weebs confirmed?
granite axle
yes
void void
btw is there any good 1.9+ pvp players
visual egret
yes
true canyon
No. Everyone who is good at pvp quit in 2014.
lavish crest
Feet of Marketing lol
true canyon
They all left the community.
granite axle
lmao
true canyon
Dear oskar,
I am pleased to see that you are enjoying the emails. Have a lovely day.
Sincerely,
mbax
spare venture
Oskar old enough to have email?
true canyon
With parent permission!
obtuse ocean
1.9 pvp is okay
visual egret
dad made the email account for me in like 2012
obtuse ocean
i want hoes to have double reach for hoe combat tho
visual egret
leave me alone
void void
which aim type is better in 1.9?
Jerks or smooth mouse movements?
obtuse ocean
i agree tbh
visual egret
smooth since you need the power up thing
obtuse ocean
It just feels like everyone hates 1.9 combat because the 1.8 community is the loudest
void void
1.9 PVP > 1.8 PVP
Axe or sword?
native wolf
Both
true canyon
dad made the email account for me in like 2012
Isn't it great when parents create accounts when you're born?
obtuse ocean
In 2069 when minecraft 1.98 is released the pvpers will still play 1.8
golden gust
they expanded open a thread
native wolf
It just feels like everyone hates 1.9 combat because the 1.8 community is the lo...
The 1.8 players are the only ones that are complaining about combat so it just feels like they are the majority
glass dragon
I know it's all an April fools joke but.. You know.. That server icon is super cute.
granite axle
its not a joke
void void
Tbh, 1.8 isnt bad. The fact that a lots of players stay on old versions because of it is bad, IMO
meager tusk
I know it's all an April fools joke but.. You know.. That server icon is super c...
cap
void void
where can i buy paperchan pillow merch
glass dragon
I hope it's not!
ivory sable
btw is there any good 1.9+ pvp players
I heard Dream was alright
granite axle
this pr just keeps getting better and better
void void
dream uses very uneffective weapon
cunning raft
dream is a cheater
visual egret
it was never bad ๐
cunning raft
pogchamp!
granite axle
i mean cheating numbers is pretty ineffective
void void
sword critspamming is completely better than axe
obtuse ocean
1.8 was buggy tbh
brave radish
I truly apologise. I should have never posted the poll, I should have relaxed and stopped typing about what I was going through. There's a lot of things I should have done differently but I didn't. And for that, from the bottom of my heart, I am sorry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k8VvdfM-sg @visual egret
thorny totem
void void
shields n axes r for noobs
granite axle
still waiting for my political overview ;-;
obtuse ocean
we now have epic light blocks right? Now introduce dynamic lighting by just setblocking light on the players head at all times :wesmart:
limber knotBOT
Isn't wurst a virus?
obtuse ocean
No just a keylogger
limber knotBOT
Or is it another better version of optifine?
tropic flame
has this project become a meme or is it just april fools because of time differe...
ngl, even after April 1st we should still keep this logo
i like it
strong ferry
^
visual egret
it was never an april fools thing
i wonder what the april fools thing will be though
granite axle
it is march 31st
magic river
I was just telling people that so they'd shut up about it
visual egret
ah ok i was too busy being cancelled by the government in pr 5441
magic river
I mean, who cares if Australia, Japan, China, etc were in April 1st when the change was made, they don't count
worthy geode
Wurst is even open source iirc
dull hill
minor badge
magic river
I completely lost track of it in all the anime spam earlier, did Mini ever get node working?
minor badge
@quasi valley cutie ?
quasi valley
native wolf
Aaand the PR is closed
golden gust
maybe if you didn't commit horrible crimes upon the world
quasi valley
hey hey that was my upsidedown self
golden gust
quasi valley
can't blame me
golden gust
You and that... thing...
woven otter
quasi valley
at least I didn't contribute to perworldplugins !
woven otter
cat exposed?
slate yacht
Why is Paper now a Anime?
magic river
visual egret
I'm not supposed to delete the branch yet, right?
golden gust
no, phew, am safe
woven otter
rename to Papuwur
magic river
I'm not supposed to delete the branch yet, right?
Never
worthy geode
Why is Paper now a Anime?
Better Performance
visual egret
Better Performance
slate yacht
Better Performance
What? How?
woven otter
continuing: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/pull/5441#issuecomment-811460323
that's a lie
worthy geode
What? How?
Look at the date (the date in australia at least ^^) ๐
visual egret
am i not a collaborator 
brave radish
pretty sure that means members of the PaperMC org
granite flax
am i not a collaborator <:thonk:463842968097521675>
you're a contributor if something was merged before
not the same thing
viral hornet
@quasi valley @minor badge HEYYYYY FAT MIKKUUUUUUUU
quasi valley
no
viral hornet
yes
quasi valley
don't make me go to the ceiling again
quasi valley
I refuse to comment without my armchair lawyer.
minor badge
thatd be mbax
woven otter
proxi bullying again?
worn pasture
Fuckin weebs
potent fossil
yey i finally get poked today
visual egret
imagine kash didnโt close the PR ๐
stiff yarrow
?warn @woven otter your opinions are bad and you should feel bad
thorny flickerBOT
:raised_hands: Warned MTM123#2128 (your opinions are bad and you should feel bad) [4 total infractions] -- nossr50#1337.
cunning raft
woven otter
ur an opinion
woven otter
im a bad boi
viral hornet
Fuckin weebs
woven otter
WTF
quasi valley
WTF
woven otter
your nickname
potent fossil
duck why are you laughing at my message >:(
woven otter
poked? as in stabbed with a needle
thorny notch
void void
๐
potent fossil
poked? as in stabbed with a needle
yes, vaccine lol
woven otter
which one are you getting
woven otter
bleach one? 
golden gust
first and most important one
upper flicker
an internal email thread was accidentally leaked publicly
visual egret
I made a PR, it was actually a pretty big deal
potent fossil
Perfect.
upper flicker
there will be several more email threads like that internally to discuss it
visual egret
I made everything in paper async but the internal emails for leaked
potent fossil
you know, i would laugh at that but i know that's absolutely not a joke in large orgs so ill just go be sad about it
visual egret
some people who were testing in production got 500 TPS
visual egret
the power of paper logo
thorny notch
some people who were testing in production got 500 TPS
i honestly wonder what playing on 500 tps would be like
ashen cliff
You could get like 1000 TPS without too many issues on modern hardware if you just removed the limit.
celest coyote
by the power of anime the JVM was motivated to run 500x faster
lavish crest
Obviously, Paper-Chan runs better than Chanless Paper.
golden gust
I have removed the tick limiter on earlier versions
woven otter
there was a video of alot of tps somewhere
golden gust
it's kinda weird as mobs spawn in and stuff starts kinda slowing down
still literally unplayable
but, still, it works
celest coyote
wonder how fast we can get it on one of those 8ghz cpus
ashen cliff
I ran the server at 2x speed using CheatEngine and a client with timer.
Was somehow playable.
celest coyote
nitrogen cooled
worthy geode
I would be more interested in going slow tbh
10 TPS but stable would probably be playable for some servers
like, building servers or something
ashen cliff
I think we could get 7Ghz if we get LN2 permission on the next lan party. We just need players to test. 
celest coyote
๐คก
chrome quest
What is this new icon?
celest coyote
mascot
woven otter
brave radish
.optimize
limber knotBOT
additional tips for improving server performance - https://www.spigotmc.org/posts/3684550
brave radish
the paper logo is gone there :(
woven otter
worn ember
"pokimane yes"
magic river
left swift
Did someone say pokimane 
ashen cliff
No. Go away.
left swift
rose torrent
LOVE YOU BB
celest coyote
golden gust
GPUS ARE NOW SAVED, WE'VE FOUND AN AWESOME ALTERNATIVE FOR MINING BITCOINS!
left swift
Igpu
golden gust
left swift
Ou
void void
i love stacksmashing
shy arrow
https://youtu.be/Wav_1mqY5ZU
LMAO
void void
it takes me an hour to find this discord every time i look for it now
left swift
Just look for the christmas colored waifu
celest coyote
it takes me an hour to find this discord every time i look for it now
because you got a 100 other servers with anime girl icons?
celest coyote
should be easy then
left swift
Folders inside of folders
How many discord folders can you stack before discord breaks
void void
i don't have any folders within folders
i didn't think you could do that
yeah you can't
left swift
Oh I see I'm just blind and djdnt see when the folder ended
void void
lol
left swift
Paper feels different now
visual egret
ever since PR 5441
celest coyote
I think github just bugged for you
twin lagoon
@mossy vessel 
viscid wedge
merry talon
light theme is for people who go outside
short yarrow
who changed the server icon o.o
thorny notch
how do you like light theme
short yarrow
I like github light theme
thorny notch
who changed the server icon o.o
april fools thing
short yarrow
their dark theme is off to me
brave radish
why use github light theme
usually not logged in
short yarrow
yeah github's dark theme just doesn't hit right for me
thorny notch
and this
short yarrow
their light theme is good
thorny notch
yeah github's dark theme just doesn't hit right for me
the dimmed dark is much better
granite flax
they made a new one and it's somehow worse than the old one
thorny notch
also, there is a browser extension called dark reader
thorny notch
they made a new one and it's somehow worse than the old one
i like it better
granite flax
i don't like either
lavish crest
Github light theme is good.
granite flax
i like how sites like youtube have done it
thorny notch
wdym
granite flax
for some reason github just looks weird to me
celest coyote
both dark themes have terrible contrast
merry talon
most dark themes are too dark
thorny notch
Github light theme is good.
i dont like any light theme, i spend too much time programming
lavish crest
Discord Light theme is designed badly though.
thorny notch
Discord Light theme is designed badly though.
agreed
granite flax
Discord Light theme is designed badly though.
yet somehow slack manages to get it right even though they basically share the same layout
regal path
merry talon
contrast
lavish crest
What is slack?
thorny notch
discord but bad
granite flax
discord for """professionals"""
thorny notch
yeah, that
vernal moth
celest coyote
nice
lavish crest
reef dawn
oh god weebs have taken over
tropic flame
they have always been in power.
lavish crest
And maybe logo too soon: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/pull/5441
reef dawn
brb switching to spigot
flint lynx
brb bukket time
vernal moth
thanks, you can see the names of the authors of the images in #announcements
they really did good
flint lynx
i saw
mental meadow
can't wait for all the salty people to leave
reef dawn
๐พ
flint lynx
fanart when
lavish crest
The Manga/Anime style art is kinda controversial to be fair.
left swift
Anime is about as controversial as wearing a seat belt when driving
twin lagoon
paper furry when
clear hull
mental meadow
left swift
native badge
WeebMC
slender ravine
T
tropic flame
it's only controversial when some people don't have brains
worn ember
applies to a lot of things
left swift
Not ded
flint lynx
oh my god emotes too
pseudo thistle
vernal moth
void void
wait first time I realized her bangs are actually paper airplanes
mental meadow
"bangs"
warm anchor
wait first time I realized her bangs are actually paper airplanes
Itโs the details that counts
light sandal
mental meadow
implying it isn't
visual egret
23 kek
visual egret
dang thatโs so good I canโt draw at all lol
warm anchor
Nice if you twit @unreal moss on Twitter he will be happy (if you donโt use Twitter I will let him know XD!!)
mental meadow
I'm also happy uwu
warm anchor
General finally died down a bit. It was a fun 3-4 hour earlier lol
golden gust
olive marlin
I have no idea why I didn't read l in peeling.
mossy vessel
electronicroy
void void
"bangs"
what are they called then?
also yo do yall make ur bed in the morning, i heard it helps boost productivity levels
viral hornet
yes
thorny notch
I have no idea why I didn't read `l` in `peeling`.
p e e i n g
worn ember
Stop humping pillows cat
worthy frost
vernal moth
its not gone
tropic flame
historians better include PR 5441 in the history books
what
i was reading
come on
olive marlin
I feel like #general topic should be updated.
Social / Off Topic general community chatter. Tacos, Cats, Taylor, Burning of Leafs and Worshiping of Paper-Chan.
void void
No!
magic river
No blood, that's awful
You should always use the Oxford comma
lol no one uses the forums
olive marlin
Welp. So I was moving projects to my laptop so that I can take it today with me for easter. But it started freezing again, and I'm afraid it's the disk :/
Now I need to choose - sleep and don't take laptop with myself, or stay up and reinstall everything on new disk.
magic river
Forget your disk, we need to talk about your comma usage!
For real though, that sucks
olive marlin
I don't even know how I can debug the issue to make 100% sure it's the disk acting up.
kind pecan
What is the new paper mc icon lmao
golden gust
got a USB drive?
olive marlin
I do.
light raptor
What is the new paper mc icon lmao
paper-chan
golden gust
or, well, some linux stick or something
left swift
PaperChan going global
golden gust
could check the SMART stats for the disk
olive marlin
SMART is fine.
olive marlin
It's an NVMe SSD.
olive marlin
I was able to force my laptop to freeze even when running from USB, if I picked up my laptop quickly, holding by bottom-left corner, where the drive is located.
I did run tests on everything I could. RAM, full SMART tests on disk etc.
When I moved this disk to another PC temporarily to debug it, it decided to NUKE lots of data. All FS were gone etc.
I suspect it's borked and sometimes sends weird stuff and BIOS doesn't always handle it.
golden gust
is there some repeatable way to induce the issue?
if you can boot from a USB drive can at least rule out the disk theory
olive marlin
I did boot from USB, and was still able to freeze it.
By picking it up quickly.
Now it keeps freezing all my terminal instances, when I transfer data over SSH.
pulsar wigeon
making any kind of help or support paid.
best part
olive marlin
On fresh install, mirror of what my main PC is running.
golden gust
with the drive in or out?
olive marlin
With the drive in.
golden gust
coz, that would kinda scream more in the range of something ain't seated properly
if the drive is still in that could still cause some issues
olive marlin
Heh, just froze it again.
golden gust
but, at this point, if picking it up induces it, that pretty much screams mechanical
olive marlin
I guess imma grab some energy drink or something, reinstall it on new drive and go from there.
Will try first to take out the current drive and see if I can freeze it with USB only.
short yarrow
If you have code that inserts something into a table. It has null checks so it won't insert a row if one of the values is null. Do you assume that everything in the table can't be null? Or because you can manually insert something into a database do you assume everything can be null? I know SQL you can mark a field as NOT NULL so you can't have null, but what about NoSQL
olive marlin
FFS. I was able to freeze it without the SSD in...
magic river
If you have code that inserts something into a table. It has null checks so it w...
Depends on your DB I guess, if it has some constraints system to stop leaving out a value or setting it to null then you can assume it exists
Otherwise you need to check
dull linden
that moment when it takes you 70 years to find papers discord xd
void void
For reals
And then I saw the anime waifu and was really confused, like when did I join that
dull linden
thought i got kicked or smth LMFAO
warm anchor
Imagine not having paper discord on top list!!
sharp wind
wat happened to the server icon 
magic river
It got better
sharp wind
o lol
warm anchor
Yes yes
olive marlin
Cat, you probably know this, but I hate you.
olive marlin
sharp wind
lmao
mystic geode
void void
Anyone familiar with Jekyll with github pages?
thorny notch
kotlin is good tho
mystic geode
best emoji ever
๐ณ ๐ ๐ โค๏ธ
thorny notch
viral hornet
Why no kotlin?
mystic geode
memez
viral hornet
I was going to say, I know some really good developers that use it
mystic geode
so do memes about inefficient java
potent fossil
done with my first shot ๐ ended up getting jabbed with the pfizer/biontech one
thorny notch
> 
magic mesa
damn that's sad
mental meadow
It's not april first in my country wtf is that supposed to mean lol
Ever heard of timezones
warm anchor
mental meadow
Who cares about your country tho
It's April 1st somewhere and it's April 1st in UTC which is all that matters
mental meadow
timber panther
i cant read
shell vine
olive marlin
Aurora
thorny flickerBOT
:raised_hands: Kicked b01w#0001 (take your disrespect somewhere else) [1 total infraction] -- aurora#4484.
warm anchor
He was asking for it..
mental meadow
Paper-chan is not pleased with people today
unreal pike
I like the mascot but i feel we shud at least keep the old discord icon
potent fossil
you got banned for ban evasion nailuj lmao, dont play that game. and also mods have final say
thorny notch
I like the mascot but i feel we shud at least keep the old discord icon
i agree, thats what i said
unreal pike
Took me lke 15min to find the server
thorny notch
you got banned for ban evasion nailuj lmao, dont play that game. and also mods h...
i only joined to ask how to submit an appeal
cunning raft
how old are you
kind pecan
Yea this new logo kinda has nothing to do with paper, just seems like a random anime character.
just my opinion tho
cunning raft
im doing a survey
potent fossil
no we're just tired of people complaining all day long without end, go eat some food or meditate or something
thorny notch
idk how to meditate
warm anchor
idk how to meditate
By stop talking
thorny notch
ok
mental meadow
Honestly I'd drop it now
gusty oracle
I like the mascot low key hot.
warm anchor
thorny notch
i havent complained since i re-joined
unreal pike
maybe a few days to get everyone to know of the mascot change but pls change it back eventually
mental meadow
Wasn't talking about you nailuj
thorny notch
no, she wasnt talking about me
mental meadow
simple uwu
potent fossil
uwuwa is cute 
mental meadow
!ban @sturdy steeple Disrespectful behavior and trolling
thorny flickerBOT
:raised_hands: Banned b01w#0001 (Disrespectful behavior and trolling) [2 total infractions] -- aurora#4484.
mental meadow
Me neither simple
unreal pike
!ban
left swift
simple <3
warm anchor
What happen to basic respect nowadays wtf
cunning raft
!ban <@351035171325214730> Disrespectful behavior and trolling
this was a sarcastic ban!
brave radish
ahh EterNity new avatar
cunning raft
hopefully they understand it was just sarcasm!
warm anchor
ahh EterNity new avatar
I am cosplaying as Kenny today
cunning raft
their ban was a joke!
viral hornet
i dont think we can disrespect the icon
???????????????????????????
severe cloak
Classic
viral hornet
of course you can't disrespect the icon
topaz mortar
Aurora it's 2:34 am. ๐
viral hornet
goodnight ysl 
mental meadow
I know
viral hornet
goodnight aurora
golden gust
No
mental meadow
Nuuu
mental meadow
very dum
warm anchor
Dum dum
golden gust
.wa time UTC
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Result: 12:35:49 am UTC | Thursday, April 1, 2021 - https://is.gd/ur6vk5
mental meadow
UTC best timezone wanna have it
golden gust
See, the real time
thorny notch
UTC is best time tho
golden gust
designed for 'mericans, i'd imagine
thorny notch
.wa time UTC 24h
golden gust
24h time confusing
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Result: 12:36:30 am GMT+24:00 | Friday, April 2, 2021 - https://is.gd/JxfZwc
brave radish
does anyone have that meme of the boat stuck in the canal that someone posted earlier?
warm anchor
Which one of the 40000 posted?
topaz mortar
UTC is not a timezone. I had to get comfortable with this information as well.
thorny notch
it is
thorny notch
fine, GMT
golden gust
GMT would be the "UTC" timezone
thorny notch
even tho theyre the same
brave radish
Which one of the 40000 posted?
the one that said "reproducing the bug locally" and had a smaller boat stuck in a different body of water
topaz mortar
Me pointed that out in them blog post.
golden gust
Long live the queen!
magic river
You didn't format your request correctly
olive marlin
I have no idea what you meant with that Oxford coma.
upbeat falconBOT
Requested by Amaranth#2954 - oxford comma - result 1 of 10
mental meadow
It's the comma you put before and in a list
olive marlin
Yeah, now I get it. But then it was wrong already :P
mental meadow
I like the explanation from exurb1a: My wife, my friend, and my sister VS my wife, my friend and my sister
magic river
golden gust
some people argue that some people need more comma
I argue that Aurora needs more coma
gusty oracle
magic river
Oh hey I have one of these now
mental meadow
That would be epic tbh
magic river
topaz mortar
Writing to many commas in English. German comma rules.
mental meadow
Kommasetzung pls
topaz mortar
Jaaa sorry. ๐
warm anchor
German sounds cool to my ape ear
celest coyote
mental meadow
They would earn a few million bucks a day with that
warm anchor
They know their audience well
brave radish
that's not real
mental meadow
German sounds cool to my ape ear
I'll whisper "gute Nacht"in your ear
soft mantle
paperchan
warm anchor
magic mesa
tried it it's real, pretty epic
brave radish
there's no way... the outrage on meta would take two years to die down
magic mesa
Well it's just a joke you can dismiss it
brave radish
I mean ik it's there
brave radish
Well it's just a joke you can dismiss it
yeah ik
brave radish
I feel like it was annoy the mods so much they'd quit
they'd go to quote the code of conduct at someone and it'd be like "nope" lol
placid thicket
so like.... if someone were to lewd paperchan...
brave radish
thorny notch
what server
brave radish
Tuinity, why?
brave radish
brave radish
i want to max out my server count
lol
I bet you could max it out just by joining bukkit forks...
thorny notch
probably
brave radish
have you joined everything in #community-guilds ?
magic river
One of the servers I'm in changed their icon to look like there is a highlight unread
It's so annoying
void void
Yo can someone familiar with jekyll help me out a bit?
radiant iron
I request permission to post in #adorable-pets
mental meadow
Well do you have proof
thorny notch
One of the servers I'm in changed their icon to look like there is a highlight u...
what
radiant iron
thorny notch
i need to see
magic river
@thorny notch it looks like this, but forever
mental meadow
Why is the cat on the butt
radiant iron
see cat understands cats
thorny notch
I request permission to post in <#506018400078659585>
i also request permission
thorny notch
did you just... insult my cat?
radiant iron
no no no read the second line
celest coyote
Do monsters give good dreams now?
radiant iron
cat loaf
wise isle
Ok what happend to the server icon
brave radish
magic river
So Voltswagon was an April Fool's Day joke put out 3 days early
thorny notch
how dare you disrespect paper-chan
radiant iron
that is not a furry
thorny notch
its technically a catgirl
radiant iron
ears are paper planes
wise isle
Dude the ears
brave radish
@ mods insulting supreme overlord ^^^^
thorny notch
ears are paper planes
did not notice that, genius
warm anchor
Itโs paper plane ear lol
brave radish
wise isle
Well it proves the point, none the less it wont stop me from running serversand developing with paper
fleet osprey
paper-chan porn when
wraith trail
no
wise isle
Haahha
warm anchor
No lewding
thorny notch
godot has done the same
wise isle
I just like how spigot was a tap and stayed a tap
dry ravine
I just like how spigot was a tap and stayed a tap
Paper was a plane and still is a plane
Your point?
warm anchor
Spigot discord is an April fools joke from last year 
brave radish
is still a plane
fleet osprey
joe biden-chan
wise isle
Nvm
magic river
fleet osprey
i stg someones gonna make rule 34 of paper-chan
radiant iron
take 50% extra fire damage
magic river
The first random PNG optimizer I found online (didn't want to move to my laptop to do it locally) says it cut 40% off the file size of paper-chan losslessly
lavish crest
Doubt it, the hair is very hard to draw unless one is a very skilled artist. That should hopefully discourage people from making content like that with Paper-Chan.
Source: Am someone who tried to draw the hair without any artistic experience.
native wolf
The first random PNG optimizer I found online (didn't want to move to my laptop ...
TinyPNG?
magic river
Nah, that one had a 5MB limit
native wolf
I use that one for webpages lol
magic river
So technically the second one I found
merry talon
well, who drew her?
wraith trail
see #announcements
fallen oracle
You boutta be the next wonderbread dude.
void void
Yo just wondering for the Cayman thing on Jekyll, how would you add these below the title?
merry talon
that's a github pages template
merry talon
oh
void void
Yeah how would I go about adding the buttons?
wraith trail
well it was made for github pages, but you can use it wherever
void void
Umm, sulu can I talk to you in dms.
lean kiln
๐
wraith trail
about what? my dms are open but probably not
that is if it's about your jekyll stuff because I don't know
proper flower
what is rule 34
native wolf
Oh
wraith trail
google, but keep in mind you may get nsfw results
native wolf
Just Google it lol
magic river
If it exists, there is porn of it
proper flower
void void
Is the art original?
wraith trail
depends how you define original, but "yes". see #announcements
wintry cliff
magic river
Who said it was April Fools?
void void
has paper-chan been lewded yet
left swift
magic river
has paper-chan been lewded yet
wraith trail
https://paste.gg/p/Pencil/bea29cca66d94f6fac612a92459449d4 that was a lot of embeds, have fun a second time
void void
it's only a matter of time before someone commissions an nsfw artist
void void
<:coeNo:420032973396639744>
it is doomed to happen. i am but the messenger
this is really off topic but how do i contact oracle if im not a business
or part of a business
wraith trail
you don't
void void
i have questions about Java SE
magic river
Why do you want to give Oracle thousands of dollars?
cunning raft
like what
wraith trail
what is it lol?
cunning raft
if its a sales question contact sales
ocean socket
do paper represent themself with anime?
wraith trail
see #announcements
void void
what does oracle qualify as "commercial use"
cunning raft
make money = commercial use
magic river
Use adoptopenjdk and forget about it
void void
cause i think from what i wanna do it counts but oracle might not care
void void
Use adoptopenjdk and forget about it
im super confused about openjdks license
magic river
GPL?
wraith trail
openjdk you can use for pretty much whatever
just get adoptopenjdk/corretto and be done with it, no paying anything/getting a license
magic river
Paper is already GPL so if the GPL is a problem you're in trouble ๐
magic river
Don't use openjdk 8, problem solved
At least use 11
But adoptopenjdk still has 8 and it's in a somewhat recent RHEL release so it should get security updates for a while still
Alternatively give Oracle thousands of dollars
Commercial use means you aren't using it to run your personal blog or on your desktop to run things other people made
(no, getting someone else to make the thing you want to use it with isn't a workaround)
void void
Alternatively give Oracle thousands of dollars
idk if a billion$ corporation cares about a broke middle school student
using their products
wraith trail
i'm not remotely an expert on this nor do I understand half of it, but on the openjdk website to download reference builds you have to agree to oracle's BCL on all versions up to 10
void void
Sure, you can get away with breaking the law, most likely
im not breaking the law lol
void void
i'm not remotely an expert on this nor do I understand half of it, but on the op...
oh ok
magic river
It's almost certainly just civil copyright infringement and/or breach of contract but that's still breaking a law ๐
Just means you get sued instead of go to jail
void void
It's almost certainly just civil copyright infringement and/or breach of contrac...
yeah but that's why im want to contact oracle
wraith trail
and on 11+ it says
The binaries are available under the GNU General Public License version 2, with the Classpath Exception.
cunning raft
oracle will not respond to you
void void
what is a classpath exception and what is it's difference to a linking exception?
magic river
If Oracle does respond it'll just be to direct you to sales where you can buy licenses/support
void void
oracle will not respond to you
they have a live chat and phone number so
magic river
They aren't going to spend time deciding if you need to or not, they're going to assume you do
cunning raft
see what amaranth said
void void
They aren't going to spend time deciding if you need to or not, they're going to...
yeah maybe
magic river
It's up to you to know you don't and trust your lawyers got it right
wraith trail
but, there's no point in going through all of this. Just use openjdk
floral mesa
dont they technically use a difference license for their builds?
void void
dont they technically use a difference license for their builds?
they do
waxen panther
the heck is goin' on!
cunning raft
@waxen panther go to bed
magic river
They charge an arm and a leg for support for old versions
void void
<@!264203519806930944> go to bed
i was just wondering about openjdk licensing
floral mesa
the source code is GPL, but when they build, they opt for a different one
waxen panther
<@!264203519806930944> go to bed
sir i just woke up
floral mesa
just use openjdk, or adoptopenjdk, or just use rhel's build of it
cunning raft
i was just wondering about openjdk licensing
im not talking to you lmfao
cunning raft
sir i just woke up
did i ask
void void
im not talking to you lmfao
yeah ik
waxen panther
yes ๐ฅบ
void void
the source code is GPL, but when they build, they opt for a different one
wait what
wraith trail
from my limited understanding versions <=10 binaries were under oracle's BCL, while on newer versions they are gplv2
wraith trail
on versions <=10
wraith oracle
what do you want to do that requires you to care about the license though
void void
what do you want to do that requires you to care about the license though
why wouldnt u care
wraith oracle
if you're modifying the JDK itself then it shouldn't be an issue
magic river
You should be using OpenJDK 15 or 16 anyway
wraith trail
of course it can be, they have restrictions n how you use it
magic river
11 at the oldest
void void
of course it can be, they have restrictions n how you use it
oracle does
wraith trail
yes, I was responding to Snow-Pyon not caring about licenses
magic river
Oracle owns Java and requires a CLA for contributions so they get to keep owning it even though others work on it too
So they can use whatever license they want for their builds
void void
So they can use whatever license they want for their builds
including openjdk?
magic river
They could also decide tomorrow OpenJDK 16 is going to use the WTFPL
Oracle owns OpenJDK, yes
cunning raft
personally i think the Giant Penis License is a much better choice
wraith oracle
I mean, if JDK is GPLv2 then there wouldn't be any issues with it
magic river
The source code is GPLv2 + Classpath exception though so if anyone else makes binaries that's the license you have to go by
Only Oracle gets special treatment
And anyone who gives Oracle enough money
wraith oracle
well, yeah, license doesn't apply to the owner
floral mesa
if you are on most linux distros, they usually build their jdk on their own.
void void
ok so use openjdk?
wraith trail
yes
void void
i already have the amazon one installed
waxen panther
lmfao
wraith trail
yeah then that's fine, no issue for commercial use
upbeat falconBOT
Requested by Amaranth#2954 - ubuntu openjdk-11-jdk-headless - result 1 of 10
wraith trail
corretto is fine for commercial usage, no need to change it
void void
i dont use ubuntu though
magic river
Anything non-Oracle should be fine though
floral mesa
Epoch : 1
Version : 15.0.2.0.7
Release : 0.rolling.el8
Architecture : x86_64
Size : 239 k
Source : java-latest-openjdk-15.0.2.0.7-0.rolling.el8.src.rpm
Repository : epel
Summary : OpenJDK 15 Runtime Environment
URL : http://openjdk.java.net/
License : ASL 1.1 and ASL 2.0 and BSD and BSD with advertising and GPL+ and GPLv2 and GPLv2 with exceptions and IJG and
: LGPLv2+ and MIT and MPLv2.0 and Public Domain and W3C and zlib and ISC and FTL and RSA
Description : The OpenJDK 15 runtime environment.
fedora
yeah
could download from redhat
windows included
void void
but the builds of openjdk are still gplv2 with cpe right?
cause somebody said they weren't
wraith trail
on versions 11+
spiral robin
floral mesa
just dont download from oracle
magic river
Only the ones from the official OpenJDK site use a different license and only on older versions
wraith trail
on <11, they were under oracle's BCL (on oracle's site)
magic river
Don't download from Oracle or the OpenJDK website and you're fine
spare venture
hello ๐
wraith trail
corretto (what you have now) is under the gplv2 with cpe no matter what version
magic river
Get RedHat, Amazon, AdoptOpenJDK, or Azul to build them for you
Or your distro, simplest solution
floral mesa
I generally like redhat, their solutions are nice
wraith trail
not their jdk distribution, just them as a company
floral mesa
I dont mind them, let me guess, centos?
magic river
RedHat is the company keeping Linux alive at this point
floral mesa
pretty much, they arent oracle levels of bad, and they do good for the linux community
most of the time
wraith trail
no they are keeping things alive for sure
magic river
If RH didn't exist half the server and desktop stacks would disappear and all the plumbing layers would be effectively unmaintained
They pay developers to mostly just work on whatever they want so long as they're also available to work on support requests and security backports and such
In a world without RH I suspect Amazon, Facebook, and Google would run everything instead
floral mesa
or canonical would go on with their crazy experiments
magic river
Facebook would just randomly not bother for a year or two at a time, Google would introduce a new init system every year, and Amazon would make everything assume you're using AWS and not work as well when you aren't
floral mesa
considering google canned docker, that wouldnt surprise me
magic river
RedHat... pays people to make what they want then figures out how to make money from that
cunning raft
i know a few RH peeps, they all really like it there too
floral mesa
redhat is very conservative when it comes to its distro
magic river
Now, not everyone who works there gets to do the fun stuff all the time, they have people dedicated to keeping RHEL chugging 6 years after the rest of the world moved on and such
void void
redhat is very conservative when it comes to its distro
do u need to learn programming for linux?
wraith trail
no?
floral mesa
?
floral mesa
no, I dont do programming, im a sysadmin
void void
learning not for linux
magic river
It's not point and click so if you consider the command line programming then I guess so
void void
yeah i heard it doesnt get viruses
magic river
But shell scripts are for dirty sysadmins and programmers don't consider that programming anyway
wraith trail
well that's not true
void void
*a lot
magic river
And that's a big step up from just running stuff at the command line
wraith trail
I mean you won't get a virus from going to gmmmail.com and clicking download, but you sure can
magic river
Linux is less secure than Windows as far as viruses go
void void
I mean you won't get a virus from going to gmmmail.com and clicking download, bu...
yeah but can you get frequent viruses using linux?
thorny notch
Linux is less secure than Windows as far as viruses go
no it isnt
wraith trail
if you're incompetent sure, not really though
thorny notch
how dare you
magic river
It's just a much smaller target so you're unlikely to be attacked
wraith trail
I mean if you just run random binaries you're gonna come across something bad at some point
cunning raft
hmmm do i listen to some paper general random or the guy that's been here since the dawn of time
magic river
Dude Windows has partial formal verification of kernel modules and levels of isolation and sandboxing and etc
thorny notch
I mean if you just run random binaries you're gonna come across something bad at...
same with windows
void void
same with windows
same with anything
wraith trail
of course, wasn't trying to say otherwise
thorny notch
Dude Windows has partial formal verification of kernel modules and levels of iso...
have you ever used linux
magic river
Linux can have lots of isolation and sandboxing and such but it's a PITA to do and when it breaks you get to keep both pieces so most people don't bother
Hi, I'm technically still an Ubuntu Developer
wraith trail
just that linux distros aren't immune to malware in any way
thorny notch
i can call in my linux cult to destroy all your claims
wraith trail
no, let's not
cunning raft
this is a screenshot that can be put on a wall somewhere
unkempt drift
#PinIt
magic river
I helped make compiz and used to have an app I wrote included in the default GNOME desktop
chilly marsh
Whats with this pitiful weeb logo
latent sonnet
Well, I mean, there are distros that more or less handle security/hardening for you.
void void
Whats with this pitiful weeb logo
yeah idk
wraith trail
see #announcements @chilly marsh
thorny notch
Whats with this pitiful weeb logo
paper-chan
latent sonnet
Or distros that sidestep the issue completely, like Qubes.
magic river
Oh, I also contributed to XFCE and a few other things
floral mesa
SELinux/apparmor make it moreso of a bitch to break into a system, granted its configured properly.
void void
see <#492517675680006144> <@!583835674323452056>
i like anime but i liked the old paper airplane
that moved
and can fly
void void
not on discord
magic river
SELinux, AppArmor, seccomp, etc all help make Linux as secure or more than Windows but someone has to bother to set them up correctly
cunning raft
https://stopdisablingselinux.com/
android rooters/rom devs be like
magic river
SELinux was an NSA troll to make people apathetic about improved security
thorny notch
linux is much more secure, you can update the kernel if its infected without rebotting, and very easily