general

[viral hornet]

jfc hahaha

https://youtu.be/Wav_1mqY5ZU

[magic river]

I have a feeling I was using Linux before @thorny notch was born...

[wraith trail]

probably lol

[thorny notch]

when did you start?

[viral hornet]

confirmed

amaranth = boomer

[thorny notch]

i can verify if youre correct

[magic river]

19 years ago, iirc

[thorny notch]

yes you were then

[magic river]

I was using it full time on my desktop in 2004, before that was just dabbling

[thorny notch]

i dualboot incase i need to game on windows

pop! os

[magic river]

(Ubuntu came out in 2004, this isn't a coincidence)

[floral mesa]

if the kernel is infected... the system is fucked, It wouldnt be shocking if some program managed to inject itself into the initrd image. while the kernel can be protected by secure boot (not always, some distros dont sign their boot loader), the initrd image doesnt always have protection.

[void void]

if linux doesn't protect against viruses, why would you use it? sorry if this is a obvious question lol

[thorny notch]

its more secure

[floral mesa]

because most server software uses it?

its small?

[thorny notch]

a lot harder to write virus for it

[wraith trail]

basically everything else about it

[wraith trail]

and in no sense

[magic river]

You might be less likely to get your kernel pwned with Linux (although eh) but who cares if your $HOME gets fucked?

[thorny notch]

what

[magic river]

That's where all your stuff is

[wraith trail]

just has a smaller userbase so people often don't as much

[thorny notch]

explain

[wraith trail]

in no sense is it harder to write malware for linux as a whole than it is on windows

[thorny notch]

no, windows has a lot of bugs

linux bugs get fixed quicker

[wraith trail]

that has nothing to do with anything

[thorny notch]

there are less bugs to exploit on linux

[magic river]

Windows mostly got cleaned up as of XP SP3

[thorny notch]

when they're found, they get patched quickly

[wraith trail]

I mean if everyone was competent, sure, then you could say that and I wouldn't argue all that much, but people aren't

[magic river]

It's an ongoing process but since then it hasn't been noticeably worse

[thorny notch]

ive bluescreened my laptop by typing into firefox

[floral mesa]

windows is a bigger package, as it it contains more software built in compared to many linux distros. It is a larger attack surface.

[magic river]

XP SP3 came out in 2008 😄

[floral mesa]

a default server installation of linux doesnt have a lot of moving parts. Sure, its got more parts compared to a system 10-15 years ago

but it is still smaller

[magic river]

Oh I'm misremembering, the major security work happened in SP2

[thorny notch]

what is no table role

[wraith trail]

it means they threw out all their tables and it was verified by the core team

strong dedication

[thorny notch]

oh ok

i use a table as my desk, so i cant do that

[void void]

wdym by "threw out all their tables"

[magic river]

I've kernel panic'ed my nvidia-using junk on Linux at random too

[wraith trail]

yeah you don't seem dedicated eanough to go full no table

[magic river]

Closed source GPU drivers are in general pretty ass

[floral mesa]

with windows, you have to worry about it being chatty over the network, as it opens a fuck ton of ports (at least the default firewall setup is decent). You would have to worry about exploits in RDP.WMI,RPC, etc... A default installation of rhel/debian server just opens up ssh.

[thorny notch]

i think typing into firefox is worse than that

[magic river]

I used to be able to reliably break the nvidia driver in several ways

[wraith trail]

they've gotten a lot better though

still can't use it on wayland though

[magic river]

I still occasionally get kernel panics on my laptop but usually the intel driver figures things out and I just lose all my GUI apps and session instead

Software is hard, news at 11 😛

Did you know Internet Explorer was the first browser to do tab isolation?

[floral mesa]

ive also had plenty of kernel crashes on linux, AMD APU drivers didnt play nice with ryzen when it first launched, along with quite a few bluetooth bugs

[wild cobalt]

Bro, is it just me or Paper-chan is too god damn hot

[brave radish]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5380

uuid='😋'

[cunning raft]

lets hope they just censored it

lmfao

[wraith trail]

probably thought it was the players uuid

[lavish crest]

Idk why I did this, but I added on more to my attempt to draw Paper-Chan.

[magic river]

Huh, my internet just died

[void void]

I resurrected it

[wraith oracle]

inb4 nfsw paper-chan art in 4chan coming

[void void]

O:

[lavish crest]

Hair is kinda hard to draw though.

[void void]

Just draw lines

[lavish crest]

Should hopefully act as a deterrent.

The hair I drew is not very similar to Paper-Chan's actual hair.

[void void]

rip flying paper airplane

[brave radish]

still there

[void void]

not logo

[warm anchor]

[wraith trail]

https://i.funnycube.net/PaperIconTransparent.gif

[warm anchor]

It’s here and an upgrade

[magic river]

https://www.techradar.com/news/windows-10-isnt-the-most-vulnerable-operating-system-its-actually-linux

[wraith trail]

if that's the article i'm thinking of it makes no sense

[magic river]

It's not a 1:1 comparison but it should make it clear that just using Linux doesn't mean safe

[wraith trail]

comparing the number of bugs on debian's bugtracker to that of windows, which is not a metric that should be looked at

ok yeah it is, that's complete bs

[magic river]

I thought it was comparing cves

[brave radish]

anyone using Linux should know this

[wraith trail]

taking all of debian and comparing it to windows versions separated out, on a pretty meaningless overall metric

[magic river]

Yeah but some people are stuck in the 90s where windows was swiss cheese and no one bothered attacking linux

[warm anchor]

Click bait tbh

[wraith trail]

but yeah of course linux does not mean inherently safe

[magic river]

All those samsung phone jailbreaks and such people like (or used to?) are just security exploits with a fancy name

Sometimes those were taking over some samsung or android thing but a lot were kernel bugs

[untold copper]

wot

de

faq

is

[worthy geode]

That really depends, some android phones are basically intended to get rooted from the start

[untold copper]

going on

[brave radish]

you mean the server icon?

[warm anchor]

Hello Snoopa

Welcome to better paperMC

[wraith trail]

.wa time in india

[untold copper]

I am confusion

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) Result: 8:45:55 am IST | Thursday, April 1, 2021 - https://is.gd/4ULAaE

[warm anchor]

He just woke up

[untold copper]

YES

Precisely

[wraith trail]

so what's the issue?

[untold copper]

the damn logo is the issue

what happened here

[brave radish]

#announcements annnddd...

[wraith trail]

new mascot

[untold copper]

oodjhesg right

[wraith trail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/819646565236342834/820393256570716160/paper.png

[brave radish]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/pull/5441

[untold copper]

wow

[brave radish]

also Paper-chan makes excellent tacos

[magic river]

macOS is in a really weird place as far as security goes

They've got the sandboxing and such all set up but seem to have pretty terribad programmers so the sandbox leaks like a sieve

[floral mesa]

I think macos security is also designed to attempt to prevent users from breaking out of the ecosystem.

[lavish crest]

Drawing Paper-Chan's Hair is hard though.

Lax is a really talented artist.

[magic river]

In theory they have the best deployed design, they managed to sandbox most existing apps instead of requiring new UWP-style rewrites of things to get in the sandbox

[wraith trail]

doesn't it only do that for app store apps though?

[spare venture]

this is a very high effort april fools joke

[untold copper]

yes

[wraith trail]

tbqh not super familiar with macos so may be completely wrong

[untold copper]

agreed

[magic river]

Sure but that's where most people get their apps from

[floral mesa]

I mean sure, encryption is nice, and all these extra security layers is nice, but I think there is too much security when the OS requires a part to be serialized because of "security"

[rancid urchin]

I kinda hope Paper-chan isn't april fools lol

[floral mesa]

also the ssd died and is soldered onto the board

[lavish crest]

I hope so too.

[warm anchor]

Careful what you wish for barty. This may be serious

[wraith trail]

well yeah that's an entirely different apple as a whole discussion

[cunning raft]

macOS's weird way of installing apps is probably half the reason people don't want to support it

[wraith trail]

because that isn't really security

[cunning raft]

also you need to pay apple $100 a year for the privilege to make signed software for them

[magic river]

mmm planned obsolescence

[cunning raft]

actually can you even run unsigned software on macos?

[untold copper]

papermc being taken over by weebs comfirmed!1!!!!

[void void]

yo this jekyll thing is confusing af

[rancid urchin]

lol

[spare venture]

yeah maybe its permanent

[rancid urchin]

ive been in this server for a WHILE now

i just noticed the new logo recently

[spare venture]

how long is a while

[rancid urchin]

I joined early 2019

[warm anchor]

[spare venture]

o

[rancid urchin]

according to my discord

[magic river]

You have to change a setting to run unsigned software and it doesn't tell you how to do it when it rejects the software, you just have to know

[spare venture]

[worthy geode]

The reason might be that the logo is pretty recent

[swift root]

likely cause it happened today 😄

[cunning raft]

thank you apple

[rancid urchin]

Lol

[cunning raft]

you've saved your users

[rancid urchin]

Well i hope it stays its pretty dope

[thorny notch]

they changed it today

[cunning raft]

tbh macos users probably shouldn't know how to install shit past the app store

oh the damage they'd do

[rancid urchin]

I hope it stays its pretty pog

[magic river]

I hope to be a macOS user again soon

[untold copper]

macOS is pretty cool

[void void]

yeah nobody can afford apple + apple is degrading imo

just imo

[lavish crest]

I dislike sandboxing. I want to be able to do whatever I want with my device.

[wraith trail]

I recently started changing operating systems again recently, went to macos for a couple months and now windows

[magic river]

btw Super Mario 3D All-Stars is gone now, hope you got it in time

[wraith trail]

windows purely because I started playing games again

but probably going back to something else soon

[ancient bolt]

Yeah got 120 stars in 64 for the first time in my life

[spare venture]

apple degrading?

nobody can afford apple?

...wat

[void void]

imo

[worthy geode]

Getting even more expensive certainly, not sure about the quality

[void void]

iphone 12 is bad

[spare venture]

oh here we go

[cunning raft]

i mean it's an iphone

[magic river]

Oh, phones, whatever on the phones

[spare venture]

how is it trash?

[cunning raft]

it's not a horrible product

[magic river]

Flagship phones are stupid expensive but iirc at one point the iPhone SE was faster than Android flagships at half the price

[cunning raft]

serves its target use

[magic river]

Dunno if that's still true today

[worthy geode]

I think it's decent, I would buy one. If it was half the price, it's just not worth the money

[warm anchor]

iOS 12 is pretty efficient

[spare venture]

iphone 12 is $800, is that flagship these days? I thought flagship was $1000+

[warm anchor]

It’s optimize for Apple itself

[cunning raft]

if you're gonna criticize it, give specific criticisms

[warm anchor]

Yeah

[spare venture]

wait you mean just calling it trash isn't enough???

[warm anchor]

In other place maybe... in tech discord people is gonna question you

[worthy geode]

Considering you get android flagships for 200 less, that's not that great of a deal

[cunning raft]

the "iphone bad" thing literally just begs apple users to kick and and scream for good reason

[void void]

super expensive with less ram and features than samsung or android these days

[spare venture]

ram

[void void]

though i guess samsung is more expensive

[cunning raft]

again dude

[magic river]

What Android flagship costs $600?

[floral mesa]

I really dislike the iphone due to apple's practices of locking down the user experience and hardware. Its also for similar reasons I dislike samsung's newer phones.

[cunning raft]

there are VALID criticisms to apple but you pick the most DOGSHIT ONES

[spare venture]

samsung galaxy S10 is $600

[cunning raft]

nobody fucking cares about ram if it runs good

[spare venture]

i wouldnt call that a flagship

[magic river]

Galaxy S10 is a few generations old

[cunning raft]

iOS is fucking amazing at memory management

[spare venture]

ah

[magic river]

They're on the S21 or something now

[worthy geode]

Pretty much all the Chinese ones

[void void]

im not one to shit on others for not having apple, but i genuienly like the iphone. i like the simplistic and easy to nav and everything-in-eye-view that you need that it possesses

[spare venture]

then idk, i don't really even know the brands of android phones

i just know samsung and apple

[void void]

and huawei

[spare venture]

and samsungs are more expensive than apple

[thorny notch]

and pixel

[spare venture]

huawei

[void void]

these days yeah

[magic river]

Pixels aren't flagships

[thorny notch]

pixel is best phone

[void void]

what was your guys' first phone?

[magic river]

The Pixel 2 was, the 3 kind of was, they just aren't anymore though

[thorny notch]

they used to be

[spare venture]

yeah the galaxy s21 is $800

[void void]

i had a tracfone wireless brand LOL

[worthy geode]

Nexus 5

[thorny notch]

flip phone

[spare venture]

some flip phone that i don't remember the name of

[magic river]

Flip phone, yeah

[thorny notch]

same, idk the name

[cunning raft]

pixel 1 and the 3a were the best ones i've had

[magic river]

First smartphone was a Palm Pre+

[void void]

https://www.apple.com/ca/iphone-12-pro/
https://www.samsung.com/global/galaxy/galaxy-s21-ultra-5g/specs/

[thorny notch]

i have a 3a xl currently

its great

[cunning raft]

same

i like it

[thorny notch]

the camera on pixels is amazing

[fallen oracle]

I have the S20 Ultra 5G

[spare venture]

so wait now you're talking about the iphone 12 pro?

you are aware that's different, right

[cunning raft]

omfg the spec argument is so cringe

[tawdry girder]

My parents switched over from LG to Apple a year ago, they've been enjoying it so far

[cunning raft]

you can't just compare two sheets of info like that

[worthy geode]

I have a OnePlus 7, it's still pretty nice
The newer models are getting a bit pricy tho, which sucks

[magic river]

The camera on Pixels used to be amazing but the rest have caught up with a mix of better hardware and better software while Google has been shipping literally the same camera for years

[cunning raft]

and say her der this is better

[tawdry girder]

They don't care about the most ram or the best screen, they care whether or not they can actually use the thing easily

[spare venture]

idk i like my iphone 12

calling it trash because you're insecure is pretty funny tho

[void void]

then idk cause im too broke:(

[cunning raft]

for stills i think their software is better. for video though, 😐

[tawdry girder]

Apple has easy to get used to gestures and navigation schemes

[warm anchor]

What the hell do you do need that much ram anyway

[unkempt drift]

moar ram is moar gooder

[void void]

yea u cant rly compare product pages side to side like that, other than specs. cus you're already receiving bias just from it being on the brand's website.

[tawdry girder]

Isn't the SE 2 $400

[warm anchor]

I want my OS experience smooth and seemless when I switch from my phone to desktop and I want my phone to last for a day of heavy usage

[void void]

they still list the phone's info

[warm anchor]

And iPhone ticks all the boxes

[worthy geode]

It's 300€, so $400 seems possible

[spare venture]

yeah i'm not switching ecosystems because you think the phone is trash

[tawdry girder]

Phone companies putting 100mp cameras in the phones like anyone needs that

[thorny notch]

i know

pixels strike the balance between good camera and not being absurd

[magic river]

They put in 100MP cameras then do 2x2 pixel binning so you get 25MP images

[void void]

just my opinion

never said u had to change

[worthy geode]

I mean if you have other Apple devices, another phone would make zero sense

[cunning raft]

problem with people who debate iphone vs android is they try to convert people over when that's just not possible in any sense

[spare venture]

could've kept it to yourself

[magic river]

Pixels use a 25MP camera and try to make up for the lower quality via really good software

But at a certain point having more data to work with, even if it's noisy data, gets you a better result

[spare venture]

blows my mind that people try to convert other people over jroy lol

who gives a shit

[magic river]

That's why Pixel camera used to be amazing but now all the flagships are as good or better

[swift root]

everyone should use smoke signals and/or just yell really loud anyways

[cunning raft]

real

[worthy geode]

Messenger pigeons maybe?

[untold copper]

I have an iPhone 6s

[cunning raft]

ok!

[tawdry girder]

There are very valid arguments about the two, the freedom to do anything on Droid is one of them, but then there are people arguing "Oh the screen cracks so easy!!!" (Which definitely isn't as true as they think it is with ceramic shield anyways)

[magic river]

I don't know why Google lost interest in another product but that's Google for you

[swift root]

way too hi tech

[untold copper]

Pretty cool and still works fine after all this time

[spare venture]

surprised the battery isn't dead

my iphone 8's battery was at 75% health before i upgraded

[worthy geode]

They did that with their phones before the pixel series, making the same mistakes again

[spare venture]

6s is 3 years older than that

[tawdry girder]

Did you get the 12 pro or just standard 12

[spare venture]

standard, 12 pro didn't seem worth the extra $$ to me

[magic river]

The Nexus line started off as a midrange punching above its weight class and was mostly meant for developer gear to show off new Android functionality for apps to use

[cunning raft]

pretty sure google could make a bomb ass fucking pixel if they wanted to. i feel like with them, a shit ton of departments conflate and end up sabotaging the end result

[tawdry girder]

Dang I upgraded from an 8, would've been the exact same upgrade

[magic river]

Then it started drifting in to flagship features and pricing and they replaced it with an actual flagship

[untold copper]

6s Battery is still surprisingly good

[tawdry girder]

Lidar is pretty cool when you find uses for it though

[magic river]

Then they started moving that flagship back in to the midrange now

[spare venture]

pretty sure the only difference was a little bit more ram (i don't care) and a better camera (don't really care, the 12 camera is good enough for me)

[untold copper]

4 hours of continuos watching

[spare venture]

not worth an extra $200

[cunning raft]

google needs to stop making their phones PoC units for a single feature

[worthy geode]

Google is pretty good at launching great products and then making them worse over time until they kill them

[cunning raft]

like the 4 was to radar

[tawdry girder]

Idk I pay monthly and I don't plan on upgrading anytime soon so I took the extra pros

[spare venture]

people who care about their cameras sure

ah fair enough

[cunning raft]

google has great software, they just need a phone that doesn't take risks to capitalize on it

[spare venture]

i usually buy mine outright

im not sure what i'm going to start doing tbh

trade in values of phones goes down pretty fast

[thorny notch]

yeah

[spare venture]

some of those upgrade plans from some carriers are really tempting

[thorny notch]

the reason i use pixel is for the stock android

[cunning raft]

buying phones thru carries seems really cancer

especially for android

[spare venture]

well yeah i would never for android

[cunning raft]

carrier/bootloader locking

[untold copper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHUKVIH8rnk

fuq

[cunning raft]

old jebait

anyways

[wraith trail]

thank you for posting that for the 5th time snoopa

[untold copper]

hey in my defence

I just woke up :P

[pale river]

Can we get a ban on snoopa?

[cunning raft]

yeah

[untold copper]

👀

[spare venture]

some carriers offer a payment plan where you just keep upgrading every 1-2 years and never have to pay the full price of the phone, just like renting it, and it ends up being cheaper possibly

[cunning raft]

!ban @untold copper Staff Harrasment

[spare venture]

i'd have to do some research

[untold copper]

smh

[cunning raft]

yeah sprint had that i think barty

for iphones only tho

because that's all that makes sense

[spare venture]

ye im an iphone guy so

[untold copper]

wonder what the april fools snapshot is gonne be this time

[spare venture]

once I get off of my parent's plan in a month i'll explore it

[cunning raft]

do they still have them?

last i knew those plans were before unlimited 4g data was a thing

[spare venture]

no idea

[tawdry girder]

That's the plan I had before getting the 12

[spare venture]

the plan my parents are on doesnt even have 5G

[tawdry girder]

SE -> 8 -> 12 (full price)

[cunning raft]

now that they don't make as much money from billed data plans i'd be curious

[untold copper]

iPhone X is very thicc

[spare venture]

so that'll be nice

[untold copper]

iphone 7 was my favourite

[cunning raft]

5g is a gimmick for now anyway

[warm anchor]

I got 5G now in my area

[spare venture]

really wish they would stop calling it 5Ge

[cunning raft]

especially in covid

[warm anchor]

It’s actually pretty fast

[spare venture]

yeah true 5G i can't even find their actual coverage

[cunning raft]

5Ge isn't wrong tbh

[spare venture]

for anyone

[cunning raft]

it's a real performance gain

[spare venture]

"5G+" is true 5G I think? for ATT anyway

[cosmic raft]

https://tenor.com/view/weird-al-crazy-wow-creepy-nuts-gif-5547782

[cunning raft]

yeah whatever the branding is

idk

[spare venture]

5G ultra wideband is verizon's

[cunning raft]

5G ultra wideband is real 5g

[tawdry girder]

I pay $5/mo extra for 5g (couldn't choose otherwise) and I have never used it, and I've travelled the east coast

[spare venture]

yeah

[cunning raft]

the milometer wave shit

[spare venture]

verzion has it in most big cities

[left swift]

hi

[magic river]

I thought mmWave was only in stadiums and such

[spare venture]

they don't have a coverage map tho they just have a list of cities that have it enabled

[cunning raft]

and select cities

[tawdry girder]

I'm with AT&T, not sure what their coverage is

[magic river]

It's line of sight only and only at short ranges

[cunning raft]

yep

[spare venture]

ATT's coverage is pretty bad

[untold copper]

FINALLY

[cunning raft]

they have to have a node every few yards or so

[magic river]

It's worse than wifi

[cunning raft]

yep

[untold copper]

mc pe has had this for so long

[tawdry girder]

Move slightly and you lose your 5g

[cunning raft]

yeah there's a handshake with 5G UWB, no?

[spare venture]

t-mobile doesnt even have UWB on their coverage map

[cunning raft]

a wide broadcast signal and then a beam "strong" signal?

[magic river]

LTE Advanced is nothing to sneeze at though, you can get over 1Gbps with it if things aren't too congested

You're talking about beamforming, iirc even standard LTE does that

[merry talon]

well that's a low effort joke from discord

[cunning raft]

ah right beamforming

iirc 5g used it in some new way?

[magic river]

Huh, even 2G did beamforming to a limited extent

[cunning raft]

i got no idea

[spare venture]

sweepy my joke is that i am doing some update for my server a day later than i said i would

[warm anchor]

I am on AT&T fiber and 5G here

Pretty lucky

[magic river]

802.11ac does it too

[spare venture]

moving to seattle i'm assuming they have good internet

[untold copper]

you guys have 5G already?

[magic river]

We have like 100,000 people here and we have 5G already

[spare venture]

whatever 5G even is

[cunning raft]

a fair bit of america does yes

[magic river]

From AT&T at least

[spare venture]

if it's 5Ge, then yes most of USA has 5Ge

[thorny notch]

what even is 5G

[cunning raft]

google.com

[spare venture]

oh not most nvm

[untold copper]

its like 4G but 5

[upbeat falcon]

5G - Wikipedia

http://www.google.com/aclk?sa=l&ai=DChcSEwj8jOTmkdzvAhUHOLMAHS3tBYEYABAAGgJ5bQ&sig=AOD64_2B9k1eDl2fEuzSzG2RrQuUfVGm6g&ved=2ahUKEwi-xNzmkdzvAhUNC6wKHXkUAfkQ0Qx6BAgbEAE&adurl=
A: ,5G, is the 5th generation mobile network. It is a new global wireless standard after 1G, 2G, 3G, and 4G networks. ,5G, enables a new kind of network that is designed to connect virtually everyone and everything together including machines, objects, and devices.

Requested by Amaranth#2954 - what even is 5G - result 1 of 9

[spare venture]

att's coverage map is stupid

[untold copper]

india is stupid

[tawdry girder]

When I went down the east coast I did get a lot of 5ge coverage, especially outside of NY for some reason

[cunning raft]

att is bad faith with their shit

[wraith trail]

that's super dumb

verizon buying an ad saying 5G - Wikipedia

[warm anchor]

This is my cellphone speed

[spare venture]

puerto rico has more coverage than most us states lol

[warm anchor]

My landline is 1Gbps up and down

[magic river]

Is 5Ge their thing where they say "our 4G is as fast as people get with 5G on other networks so we'll call it 5G?"

[tawdry girder]

It's like 4g or lte or whatever but they enhanced it somehow idk

[spare venture]

5g "evolution"

[warm anchor]

What’s the maximum speed for 5G

[cunning raft]

i always love the T-Mobile ads that are like "WE'RE THE FIRST CARRIER TO LAUNCH 5G NATIONWIDE"

like yes but actually no

[magic river]

They had a point with that with HSPA+ and LTE, early LTE was usually slower than HSPA+ (but had lower latency) and HSPA+ blew away Verizon's 3G so just calling it 3G seemed wrong

[spare venture]

it's like when they called 4G when it wasn't really 4G

but 4G LTE was actually 4G?

[magic river]

I think broadcom can do 4.5Gbps with 5G on their modems

[spare venture]

idk

[warm anchor]

That’s really cool

[spare venture]

5Ge from ATT in my city

[magic river]

When AT&T decided to call HSPA+ "4G" it could do 42Mbps

[tawdry girder]

Low signal LTE from AT&T on a rainy night

[magic river]

LTE is usually better than that now but back then was generally the same or worse

Meanwhile Verizon's 3G network was like 1Mbps if you were really lucky

[spare venture]

4G really made things a lot better yeah

[magic river]

So you can see why they didn't want you to compare AT&T's 3G network to Verizon's when Verizon was pushing 4G and showing off how much better it was than their 3G

It made it sound like Verizon's LTE network was that much better than AT&T's HSPA+ network too which wasn't the case

LTE shouldn't have even been called 4G to begin with if you want to get rules lawyer on the terms

[tawdry girder]

I can't wait to get the iPhone 4 with Verizon 4g!

[magic river]

Only later revisions of LTE got over the 1Gbps mark that was supposed to be a requirement for something to be 4G

That's why AT&T got away with calling their thing 4G too

[untold copper]

my pc internet speed

[spare venture]

nice upload

[untold copper]

thank

[spare venture]

prob shouldn't include your location details and IP

[untold copper]

ah

right

[tawdry girder]

I pay for 400mbps yet I actually get around 30mbps and the lack of stability

[untold copper]

I can just restart my router lol

[vale rune]

Bruh.

[untold copper]

fixed lol

[tawdry girder]

That's a nice upload though

[spare venture]

my parent's is ok

planning on buying much better when i move

[tawdry girder]

Around here we only get about a tenth of the download in upload

[magic river]

I think something must have happened to a fiber line around here or something

My cable is still out and my LTE connection is running like crap

[wraith trail]

heard machine maker got <1mbps up

[viral lion]

you all got upload speed above one megabyte?

[magic river]

Either that or someone DDoS'ed me so hard they knocked my town offline

[spare venture]

jesus i had that internet in like 2010

[magic river]

Yeah it's broken

[spare venture]

hm $65/mo for gigabit fiber doesnt seem too bad, no experience with centurylink tho

[magic river]

Last run was 300ms ping, same down, and 0.76 up

[minor badge]

I've got 100/100 over here ^^

[spare venture]

gigabit xfinity is $85

[potent fossil]

centurylink more like bad

[spare venture]

wonder if xfinity's is coax

[potent fossil]

yes

i have it

[spare venture]

makes sense if they have it that available

isn't xfinity comcast

[potent fossil]

yea

[spare venture]

i've heard nothing but horror stories about comcast

[potent fossil]

they're horrible, customer support/price wise but they kinda have a monopoly on my area (if you want good speed)

[magic river]

Hey that's that modem I have

[wraith trail]

a lot of areas you can't get anything but them

[magic river]

I think

[spare venture]

centurylink has fiber for $20 cheaper/mo so idk

[kind pecan]

Welcome to ISPs

It’s the illusion of an open market

[merry talon]

why the hell does everyone set 'gigabit' to 940mbps

[kind pecan]

Even different ISPs lease lines from the same companies

[potent fossil]

only bad with centurylink i've experienced was it dropped a lot

otherwise it was ok

[potent fossil]

its the netgear cm1000

[wraith trail]

had centurylink when I first moved to the states, it was fine

only thing was they charged you for the bundled router if you used it or not

[untold copper]

I've had airtel for years now

[tawdry girder]

I keep getting ads for Verizon fios, too bad I can't get it because spectrum has full control over our town

[potent fossil]

-.-

[kind pecan]

Damn they force you to rent equipment?

[spare venture]

it's either them or xfinity where i'm moving, and they actually offer fiber so 🤷

[magic river]

Pretty sure that's what I have, DOCSIS 3.1?

[potent fossil]

yea

[wraith trail]

pretty much yeah

[kind pecan]

Fiber is a double edged sword

It’s fast, but it’s hella unstable from every experience I’ve had

[magic river]

I'd look it up but my modem is in a dark room and my amazon will take 5 minutes to load 😛

[potent fossil]

5 minutes? thonk

[spare venture]

is it unstable?

[tawdry girder]

I mean I'm cable right now and it's cut every hour or so

[magic river]

Oh I didn't even buy it at Amazon, I got it at a Target in Hollywood

[tawdry girder]

Gotta love our ISP!

[magic river]

(Florida)

[spare venture]

where I live i have zero problems but $65 for gigabit sounds pretty enticing

[kind pecan]

It’s not terrible, but fiber isn’t the one size fits all solution people think it is

It has its issues just like copper, albeit different issues

[spare venture]

well they're no contract so I'll prob start with them and if they suck move to xfinity

[kind pecan]

The more times the signal has to be translated, the more room for error

[potent fossil]

I mean, when I say dropped "a lot" we're talking like, once every 2 weeks or so

[magic river]

Those issues are mostly "ISPs are garbage" instead of "my copper is rotted from being here for 50 years"

[wraith trail]

I mean it's not surprising, most isps are garbage

[kind pecan]

Fair, but even on the consumer end, one scratched tip and your setup is ruined unless you can finish a cable yourself

Which is significantly easier said than done with fiber

[void void]

Why did the papermc icon change, did someone lose a bet?

[wraith trail]

do you work for an isp?

[kind pecan]

Not for but I’ve worked with ISPs a fair amount

[magic river]

Sure, which is why you want to install your fiber terminal in your basement and never touch it 😛

[untold copper]

meet paper chan

[spare venture]

wtf my roommate got like 4 GPU lotteries from newegg

[magic river]

Yo fuck your roommate

[kind pecan]

During uni we did a decent amount of work with Burlington telecom

[spare venture]

he bought 3 or 4 3070s lol

[magic river]

Let me guess, ebay?

[untold copper]

wtf party

[spare venture]

well i'm gonna try to buy one off him and sell my 1660 super lol

idk he's been a real bastard about reselling cpus and gpus the past few months

bought a few of the zen 3 cpus

[cosmic raft]

4 what?

[potent fossil]

ah yes, scalpers. please let your roommate know i said "go fuck yourself" 😎

[merry talon]

are you telling me you wouldn't resell if you had 4 3070s

[spare venture]

you can enter into a lottery to get the opportunity to buy the new GPUs from newegg

he mostly sells them to his friends to barely above msrp

[potent fossil]

but i dont have 4 3070s, so

[spare venture]

he said he hit them all the past 2 weeks

really weird

idk wish I knew he did that before I bought my gpu

wish the GPU market would settle down

yeah scalpers suck

[magic river]

It's not doing great but at least my internet's back

[native wolf]

Wow that's fast

My upload is 0.5-1mbps

It's a PITA

[wraith trail]

rip

[magic river]

Oh, I think my download had already restarted when that speedtest was done

If so then yeah, that's about right

[wraith trail]

surprising you could even upload the image with that

[minor badge]

welcome to the consistent members of paper general, sulu

[warm anchor]

Lmao

Sulu

[minor badge]

has paper help died down? :p

[native wolf]

Yeah lol

[wraith trail]

branching out

[warm anchor]

They will eventually get used to paper chan

[native wolf]

Just need to wait

[wraith trail]

there will probably be a significant number of complaints if it goes away as well

[magic river]

It better not go away

[warm anchor]

[native wolf]

[zealous wedge]

[minor badge]

amaranth, will you leave if we remove her?

[magic river]

This feels like a trap

But no. you guys are too interesting 😛

[minor badge]

darnit

can't give core team ultimatum now

[magic river]

That's what I meant by a trap, I bet a few would push harder if it would get rid of me too 😄

[lavish crest]

I personally wouldn't leave if Paper-Chan was removed , I joined to get help for paper servers. It would still be unfortunate though.

[warm anchor]

I think emoji are harmless

[magic river]

[turbid spade]

heyo

[warm anchor]

I know some people have strong opinion on anime stuff but paper has emoji slots, no?

[turbid spade]

Does anyone know of any like "plugin-development" related Discord servers that would be useful for javadoc support n stuff?

[lavish crest]

IDK why people hate anime.

[warm anchor]

You should seem earlier

People who literally never talked once were complaining ...

[wraith trail]

a not completely insignificant number of people were upset about it

I wonder how many people actually left

[untold copper]

xD

[lavish crest]

I grew up watching a lot of amines like Scooby-doo. :)

[warm anchor]

Me too!

They really suck at detective

[magic river]

Last I heard like 70 people left

[wraith trail]

oh that's not that many

[lavish crest]

I have the Scooby-Doo manga too.

[warm anchor]

How many of them were actually regular though lol

[magic river]

I wonder what the daily churn rate is on the discord

70 might not even be an outlier

[void void]

is it an april fools joke or not

like am i gonna login on april 2nd and see this

[wraith trail]

it's a support guild, probably decently high

[warm anchor]

20-30 probably

[wraith trail]

or, support is probably why most people come here

[warm anchor]

My server has 10k member and it’s about 20-30 a day for leaving

[void void]

i am horrified by the lack of an answer to that question

the silence speaks volumes

[zealous wedge]

i sure hope we see this april 2nd

[magic river]

https://giphy.com/gifs/mushroom-mushroommovie-vowels-LkfjHA9dIVYgJFmPOF

[void void]

wait wtf

[zealous wedge]

paper-chan is the soul of paper

[void void]

zml i could've sworn you were a contributor

[untold copper]

hypixel hide and seek is brilliant.

[warm anchor]

uwu

[zealous wedge]

no i'm just a rando

[void void]

okay

[minor badge]

the daily churn is fairly high, but usually it's ±10 in the end with net positive if anything larger

[zealous wedge]

i barely know how to set up a paper workspace lol

[warm anchor]

So it’s not really that bad then

[magic river]

Didn't you used to work on CB++?

[zealous wedge]

nah i was only involved with spout for their glowstone fork -> custom server

[minor badge]

we've had a fair bit of leaves the last day, but nothing we won't earn back in a week

[warm anchor]

Zml is ancient like you amaranth

[void void]

proxi

is paper chan here to stay

[minor badge]

zml didn't you write the dumb events 😡

why wouldn't she be

[magic river]

Yeah I remember that part but I thought you were helping Afforess with CB++ for a bit too

[zealous wedge]

go away proxi :(

[void void]

[minor badge]

[zealous wedge]

i mean i've forgotten a lot of things but i'm pretty sure i never contributed to that project

[minor badge]

ok good bye leaving you now 😔

[zealous wedge]

good

have fun being mean somewhere else

[untold copper]

🇫

I should do something with my avatar for today

[magic river]

A lot of Sponge is based on Spout iirc

[zealous wedge]

yup

a lot of us came from spout at various points

[magic river]

Like the data stuff was me and gabi and grum but the overall structure of the rest of it is based on trying to apply the API from that from-scratch server to vanilla iirc

[untold copper]

yes

nice

[magic river]

Oh, except causes, that was blood from his work on patching CB to play nicer with mods

[wraith trail]

nice new avatar

[warm anchor]

Amaranth history time

[magic river]

Sponge is a million times better you should all go work on it

[wraith trail]

patching cb to play nicer with mods
has this ever worked?

[magic river]

Yeah, he had it working decently well

[untold copper]

whats cb again?

[magic river]

Plugins pretty much had to work with NMS to support the modded blocks correctly but generic things worked

CB is CraftBukkit

[zealous wedge]

yeah, cauldron was probably the best hybrid setup so far

[warm anchor]

In #announcements

[untold copper]

lax made them

[magic river]

His changes to make CB work better with mods also made it more likely to handle updates correctly without changes so that was nice

[warm anchor]

He’s actually in this server now I made him

[untold copper]

btw who all use firefox here? I've been having a weird bug lately

[magic river]

It was somewhat more fragile though because it was building up state during the tick so things had to go in the right order

[untold copper]

he exists only because you allow it 👀

[wraith trail]

!jumbo

[warm anchor]

No he’s shy @untold copper

[untold copper]

lol

[modest vessel]

aaaa i see nice pic of the server

[wraith trail]

ok michael i'm not an idiot

[warm anchor]

There

[wraith trail]

this is a permission issue

[untold copper]

like this

[peak ginkgo]

omg her ears are the paper planes

i just realized

[modest vessel]

who is the character ?

[warm anchor]

@thin apex imagine is copyrighted for used on paper project

[magic river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/555469074080202765/826997823786319933/Paper-chan_Optimized.png

[untold copper]

omg

[warm anchor]

It’s more like tiara

[untold copper]

lol thats new

[cosmic raft]

[warm anchor]

It’s part of the hair accessories

[untold copper]

just realized same

[magic river]

If you open that image in browser it's massive, you can see all the details

[modest vessel]

is she of an anime

[peak ginkgo]

it is

[lavish crest]

Paper-Chan has human ears. You can see one peaking out of the hair.

[peak ginkgo]

and this is just he "optimized" version

[warm anchor]

Or think teletubbies @peak ginkgo

[untold copper]

oh its like a

[peak ginkgo]

this is totally just a headband

[untold copper]

paper hairband

[magic river]

Optimized as in better PNG compression, I didn't resize it

[modest vessel]

which?

[warm anchor]

Well discord likes to fuck with preview compression

[peak ginkgo]

Oh, the character is custom lol I wasn't answering that sorry

[modest vessel]

hahaha okok

[warm anchor]

It’s made for paper

[magic river]

The colors on the headband are from that weird stack of postit notes on the normal logo

[untold copper]

I should learn how to draw someday

[lavish crest]

Paper-Chan is kinda hard to make fan art of. Here is my attempt, it's not a very good reproduction though.

[warm anchor]

Inspired by the logo yea

Not much to go with

[untold copper]

that probably better than i could do lol

[warm anchor]

Yeah the bends are same color as old logo

[magic river]

The trim of her skirt is also paper airplanes

[lavish crest]

I never noticed that

[warm anchor]

Details man!

[lavish crest]

Interesting

[untold copper]

interesting

[wraith trail]

it is, that's half the resolution

[magic river]

If there is a higher resolution one out there I never saw it

[wraith trail]

other one is 7600x12800

[magic river]

This is the one someone gave for putting on a body pillow

[warm anchor]

Discord just derped

Lol

[magic river]

I think someone really did get a body pillow of paper-chan, btw

[warm anchor]

Yeah the resolution is enough

[modest vessel]

yeah much beter

[warm anchor]

For bodypillow lol

[modest vessel]

its easy to make her a fan art

[untold copper]

paper-chan merch wen

[warm anchor]

Will you buy it to support paper?

[left swift]

Now in a kmart near you

[untold copper]

if my mom allows it yes

[lavish crest]

Hair is hard to draw though

[left swift]

Paperchan merch to fund more paperchan emotes

[untold copper]

yes

[lapis apex]

damn, new maskot is a fool day joke or no?

[lavish crest]

Should I write the story to a Manga involving Paper-Chan?

[left swift]

Fanfic

[untold copper]

ah yes, paper-chan fanfiction

[lavish crest]

It's all fan fiction.

Lol

[left swift]

[untold copper]

pokinub

[olive marlin]

It's still going on?

[untold copper]

wat is

paper-chan?

that will be always be going on

paper-chan is inevitable.

[void void]

PAPERCHAN

[warm anchor]

[untold copper]

@left swift klsuadhgbpakiwuejghbawjg

[left swift]

[warm anchor]

Imagine not using +:emoji: to fast react

[untold copper]

oh right thats a thing

[left swift]

Huh

[lavish crest]

Here is a link to an opendocument. Anybody can write.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lLLzJ7xsZuoTGg_KFh9kVapSq5yXz9L9mC45lkuGuIg/edit?usp=drivesdk

[left swift]

Good idea

[warm anchor]

Nothing will go wrong I am sure....

Lol

[lavish crest]

I'll nuke it if things go wrong which they probably will.

[left swift]

I cant write, fake news

[untold copper]

lol

[lavish crest]

It should allow anyone on the internet to edit.

[untold copper]

@warm anchor can you ask the right person why is paper chan called paper chan

[lavish crest]

Paper - Name

[untold copper]

?

nah I was thinking like

origin story

...

[lavish crest]

Chan - A Japanese honorific used for someone one finds endearing.

[untold copper]

rejected as a spigot mascot

and then interviewed for sponge mascot rejected again

until paper accepted her?

[warm anchor]

You add chan behind someone’s name usually for girl or feminine subjects @untold copper

[left swift]

Write it in the lore document snoopa

[lavish crest]

There is no official canon I believe, so we are free to make our own canon.

[warm anchor]

The writing is ちゃん @untold copper

[untold copper]

k

[left swift]

5 p h

[warm anchor]

You add kun to boy or boyish names

Etc

[untold copper]

quick tell me a girls name

[left swift]

Eternity senpai

[untold copper]

ok

thanks

[warm anchor]

[left swift]

[wintry cliff]

if no i will

[untold copper]

@lavish crest can you start typing something and not send it pls kthnx

i wanna do a little smthn

[lavish crest]

?

[untold copper]

just enter something and dont sent it

kthnx

ok gamers paper-chan's origin story is done

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lLLzJ7xsZuoTGg_KFh9kVapSq5yXz9L9mC45lkuGuIg/edit

[void void]

Whut

[spare venture]

You guys are taking this really far

[broken quail]

i know this is supposed to be an April fool joke which could've worked on almost everyone except those who got used and knew about it at first but like, I kinda like the new server icon and banner more than the old one ngl 😅 😂

[warm anchor]

Paper chan is pleased!

[zealous wedge]

:3

[azure rivet]

i just send my weeb of a friend a ss of paper chan banner and now he is begging me to tell him her name\

what do i do

[warm anchor]

her name is paper

[void void]

I'd love to see us keep paper waifu

There's no reason for it but there's no valid reason against it

[civic pewter]

oh no, please no

[void void]

Paper chan

Paper chan

[broken quail]

actually I agree keep paper-chan

[untold copper]

Her name

was Eternity-Senpai

[broken quail]

[untold copper]

Read the origin story smh

[void void]

Senpai is male

[untold copper]

oh

fuq

[warm anchor]

[untold copper]

Eternity halp i need a new original name

[void void]

Well, senpai is senior

[warm anchor]

Snoopa is pretty original

[void void]

Butnl its a masculine gendered word in japanese

[warm anchor]

I only know one

[untold copper]

A girls name

[void void]

Call her

Paper Kun

[untold copper]

kind that you would find in an anume

[untold copper]

kun is male

[modern steppe]

rule 34 is done or not?

[void void]

I know

[azure rivet]

😓

[untold copper]

Akira-San

[void void]

I'm aware I was suggesting she's secretly a make

[untold copper]

no

wtf

[warm anchor]

Snoopa hope and dream broken

[untold copper]

smh

[crystal galleon]

O_o

[spiral robin]

what the fuck

[untold copper]

hewwo aber

[spiral robin]

no

[untold copper]

XD

[lavish crest]

This is an unofficial Manga for Paper-Chan. Don't worry though, it does have a few rules.

[potent fossil]

why are we writing paperchan fanfic, she doesn't deserve this sort of abuse

[lavish crest]

??

[potent fossil]

i said what i said

@spiral robin

[spiral robin]

heyyy cutie

[lavish crest]

How is creating a cool backstory abuse though?

[untold copper]

the prologue is utter garbage tho XD

[spiral robin]

ye just the prologue, everything else is so good

.

[feral stirrup]

I am here for Paperchan

[stray oyster]

dont forget the war she fought with the pepe-troll-army

[untold copper]

ah yes thank you

[stray oyster]

[untold copper]

I'll make the rest of the thing epic donut worry

[wild jackal]

what the fuck

[feral stirrup]

Albedo emotes 👀

[stray oyster]

It all originated in the nyan-cat-republic many years ago...

[potent fossil]

got dam, that vaccine is giving me such a cloudy head

[brittle jacinth]

what the fuck

[potent fossil]

i feel like im on 16 different drugs

[untold copper]

will you all stop saying what the fuck smh

[potent fossil]

no

[untold copper]

ok time to redo the entire thing

[brittle jacinth]

y'all have too much free time on your hands

[untold copper]

yes

[lavish crest]

I don't, yet in still doing this for some reason.

I should probably go to sleep though.

[untold copper]

need better ideas for prologue

I'm relatively new here

[meager tusk]

New faces in paper general.

[untold copper]

I don't know shit about this community tbh

[magic river]

I really should have looked through all these wallpapers before throwing them into a rotation on my desktop

This just popped up https://i.redd.it/ncfzs8a1ljj01.png

[untold copper]

lol

lmao

[meager tusk]

Used my data rendering that

• its probably in my cache

I hate you

[brittle jacinth]

lol once I made the terrible mistake of saving all images by an artist into my wallpapers folder

[magic river]

On a related note, I have to link this song again now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8Nj8LFaCXk

[brittle jacinth]

artist: nice drawings of rural landscapee and stuff
also artist: hololive characters getting railed

[magic river]

[cedar urchin]

What did I join

[magic river]

You're right YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aqk7x_w1H98 is the perfect song to follow that one

[brittle jacinth]

youtube music puts speedcore into jazz playlists

[magic river]

Oh god

[untold copper]

brilliant.

[woven otter]

Weebs

[spare venture]

Weebs

https://tenor.com/view/weebs-angry-player-mad-scream-gif-16740813

[void void]

Interesting logo lol

[brittle jacinth]

2.5 pages of fanfiction wtf

[thorny notch]

who just typed weebs in all caps

[upper flicker]

looks at the doc

https://tenor.com/bmVyk.gif

[shy tundra]

wait

mojang fix the srv record bypass?

when u had a strike of eula?

[magic river]

Maybe?

[warm anchor]

Mituski why are you worried

[spare venture]

He runs a EULA violating offline mode server lol

[vernal bone]

Good morning weeb paper discord.

[devout minnow]

paper chan is great

[modern steppe]

1

2

3

[raw vector]

That's amazing

[modern steppe]

and more

[stray oyster]

[modern steppe]

[untold copper]

working on it more

[raw vector]

[stray oyster]

[raw vector]

[stray oyster]

[untold copper]

Some people use eclipse and thats ok. fuq them. :P

[stray oyster]

[untold copper]

srsly you can use whatever you want, couldn't care less

[stray oyster]

unless its

[raw vector]

DR JAVA

[void void]

#1 intellij
#2 netbeans
#3 eclipse

NetBeans has a very special place in my heart. it's what I used when I started learning Java many eons ago

[untold copper]

I need a good name for chapter 1 of the thing

[void void]

the amount of nostalgia this gives me is indescribable

[void void]

imagine not coding in paint.net

disgusting

[untold copper]

Any ideas?

[void void]

why so many different fonts

why centering

[thorny notch]

you code in Piet?

[untold copper]

good thought lemme fix

[swift root]

can you pastebin that for me

[raw vector]

ha you guys are using IDEs?!?!?!?!?!

[swift root]

(intellij ofc)

[untold copper]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lLLzJ7xsZuoTGg_KFh9kVapSq5yXz9L9mC45lkuGuIg/edit#

[raw vector]

manually kneading your hard drive with a magnetic pin is the best way to code

[olive marlin]

Paint is the best IDE https://ms-paint-i.de/

[void void]

I am genuinely getting so much happiness from looking at old netbeans screenshots

with a hint of existential crisis

[thorny notch]

piet is a programming language

[stray oyster]

write assembly to punchcards

ez

[raw vector]

get so much control over dat bytecode

[modern steppe]

yes

also its really fast

just drag it around and there yoy are

[raw vector]

bytecode as in biting some cod 🐟

[modern steppe]

shitcode is done

[thorny notch]

https://esolangs.org/wiki/Piet

[untold copper]

@void void fixed

[modern steppe]

booooo

[thorny notch]

what

[modern steppe]

brainfuck is better

oh

[thorny notch]

nah length is best esolang

[raw vector]

http://www.jsfuck.com/

[modern steppe]

you got unbanned

[raw vector]

jsfuck

[stray oyster]

have you ever had to deal with avx512 assembly

that is worse

[thorny notch]

https://esolangs.org/wiki/Length best esolang

[modern steppe]

crap

[thorny notch]

yes, why

[cedar smelt]

whats up with the server logo?

[untold copper]

Meet paper-chan

[thorny notch]

#announcements

[modern steppe]

lmao

[untold copper]

ok so now that the origin story is done, I want to make like a whole short story of Paper-Chan's adventures

[modern steppe]

btw what if length of line is greater than biggest instruction length?

[thorny notch]

nothing happens

its ignored

[modern steppe]

are spaces ignored?

[thorny notch]

no character is ignored

[modern steppe]

kinda cringe ngl

[thorny notch]

what

length is cringe?

@modern steppe

[modern steppe]

yesnt

[thorny notch]

read the first sentence again

[olive marlin]

Imagine not learning Rockstar to become a Certified Rockstar Developer. https://github.com/RockstarLang/rockstar

[modern steppe]

what

[thorny notch]

ooh thats a cool esolang

i love esolangs

[void void]

yo

guys

[thorny notch]

what

if youre asking about the icon, #announcements

[void void]

anyone know where i can practice world edit n core protect/essentials?

[untold copper]

uh make a localhost server

[olive marlin]

Yeah. Either make a local host server or try one of those cheap hosts.

[void void]

makes sense, will try later

[thorny notch]

not worth money to do that, much easier to just make a localhost server

[olive marlin]

Sometimes people have real hard time setting it up for some reason. Or might have a weak pc. Paying 1 or 2 $ a month for test server isn't that much.

[vernal moth]

https://twitter.com/ptkaster/status/1377427814052335618?s=19

Paul Kaster (@ptkaster)

Stack Overflow just started limiting copying code from the site to 2x per user. The only way to get around it is to buy a physical copy switch from SO. Get ready for the entire web to crash.

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