general

[mighty holly]

hi

[worn ember]

if i can ever get configurate to work properly lol, i'm still missing some types and stuff

[left swift]

Why get a queue plugin lol just tell people to get in line lol

[spare venture]

easier to sell tickets in that line if it's automated

[worn ember]

better get rid of that if else then

[spare venture]

lmao ded

[proper flower]

i think something wrong with my discord

[spare venture]

you're the one who couldn't figure out boolean algebra

[proper flower]

server icon is a waifu now

[worn ember]

i did tho

[zealous wedge]

paper-chan is our mascot, #announcements

[spare venture]

no, you didn't

[proper flower]

i thought this is a anime server

[worn ember]

i almost did :/

[spare venture]

you got it wrong the last time and i said "fuck this i'm fixing it myself"

[zealous wedge]

it might be

[left swift]

Algebra is fake news made and paid for by Big Minecraft party

[tribal rivet]

Oh, cringe, see you in 24h

[proper flower]

can i chat with her

lets make a chat bot for her

[left swift]

[worn ember]

inb4 "send bobs"

[proper flower]

hahaha

[night forum]

what is happening here...

[left swift]

Nothing

Wdym

[night forum]

just internet things i guess?

[proper flower]

u have entered the wrong server

[left swift]

Thanks for sharing

[spare venture]

I can't change my name because I changed it yesterday
But when I can I will change that

[proper flower]

this is from a parallel world

[quiet vigil]

It's Contabo VPS L (8 Cores 30 GB RAM) good for hosting a BungeeCord server?

[wide nimbus]

Theyre gonna change the logo¿

[left swift]

What logo

[proper flower]

microsoft now bans ppl?

[real nymph]

ahem

[native wolf]

What the hell happened here

[real nymph]

who changed the logo

[native wolf]

I couldn't find the server lol

[left swift]

The logo isnt changed what do you guys mean

[jade dome]

yeah. Its nice

[real nymph]

bruh its ANIME

but i liek it

[left swift]

Huh?

[real nymph]

nvm

[left swift]

It's the nether update banner

U lookin in wrong server?

[native wolf]

They even updated the Twitter lol

[ancient bolt]

the weebs have taken over

[lavish crest]

🟥🟩
🟦🟨

[spare venture]

only weebs can see the weeb server logo, so

guess you're a weeb

[real nymph]

bruh

[spare venture]

paper's weeb detection system is very advanced

it does not have false positives

[real nymph]

wtf is a weeb
(I DO NOT WATCH ANIMIE SO DONT QUESTION ME)

[spare venture]

you

[woven otter]

i dont consent

ill sue

[worn ember]

[ancient bolt]

weebs who refuse to watch anime are the ultimate weebs

[native wolf]

Well

[spare venture]

So sue me

[native wolf]

But i'm not a weeb lol

[spare venture]

Sue*

[woven otter]

I will DMCA ur ass

[spare venture]

Try it bitch

[woven otter]

you will be one sorry individual

[real nymph]

uhh

#welcome

[worn ember]

lets sue him together duck

[woven otter]

lets

[real nymph]

rules

read them

[spare venture]

I’ll sue you for writing bad code

[woven otter]

that wasn't my bad code was it

[worn ember]

pretty sure thats wasting court time lol

[lavish crest]

Paper-Chan is the mascot though, but the logo. This is still the logo.

[warm anchor]

Sir your netherite ingot has two message fro you

[woven otter]

i'll sue you for defamation wtf

[spare venture]

The problem was using your code at all

[woven otter]

WTF

[spare venture]

[toxic comet]

what is the context

who is paper chan

[waxen panther]

[woven otter]

party is a bully

[spare venture]

[worn ember]

was the bungeewrapper your code duck?

[woven otter]

never heard of bungeewrapper

[warm anchor]

[spare venture]

Fairly sure that was glare

[worn ember]

ah

cuz that was pretty legit

[spare venture]

Duck you were threatening to sue me

[lavish crest]

This is Paper-Chan the new mascot of PaperMC

[woven otter]

what is the code you are complaining about then

[spare venture]

Bully

[toxic comet]

works for me

[woven otter]

it's all in the past

[spare venture]

You’re the one suing

Can’t believe a damn duck is trying to sue me

[woven otter]

it's all in the past now

[warm anchor]

Does Duck even have right?

[spare venture]

I blame the liberals for giving ducks rights

[native wolf]

That's just the Yatopia Discord lol, i'm in there for the memes

[warm anchor]

Afaik they are food

[woven otter]

ok eternity we dont need rude weebs or weebs at all here

[spare venture]

Next time I eat duck I’m mentioning you

[proper flower]

can we get a minecraft skin of paperchan

[warm anchor]

But you are in our realm today

[proper flower]

[visual egret]

i think it might just be java doing java things on linux, this is the 700x700 logo

[woven otter]

party you are the one who bullied me for my code but didn't show me anything. it might as well could've been your code

[warm anchor]

what else can you be there for

[woven otter]

no

[toxic comet]

[native wolf]

Paperchan has emojis too?

End me

[waxen panther]

no

[native wolf]

This can't really be real lol

[waxen panther]

[visual egret]

can someone test this paper jar on windows/mac for me i wanna see if its just linux fucking it up for me

[candid spindle]

I want to welcome PaperChan

[visual egret]

or is that not allowed

[candid spindle]

I want a HQ edition of paperchan

❤️

[proper flower]

mc skin wen

[waxen panther]

if it's not working on linux then it's already fucked oskar

[native wolf]

Wdym? It works for me

[candid spindle]

yea. I kinda want paper chan mc skin

[woven otter]

wtf

[native wolf]

AI Upscale has entered the chat

[visual egret]

@warm anchor i literally replaced the image in resources folder https://discordapp.com/channels/289587909051416579/555469074080202765/826888774037405736

wait

no wrong ping

@waxen panther

sorry eternity

[toxic comet]

🥦

[warm anchor]

Sorry for being wrong person Oskar

[olive marlin]

Eternity you got all green from hanging upside-down. You look sick.

[left swift]

[viral lion]

dw dinnerbone was taking the picture

[left swift]

Who?

[viral lion]

Dinnerbone?

[left swift]

Asked

[viral lion]

Why you gotta be mean man.

[visual egret]

nomana you are such an epic person one day i wish to grow up and be like you are 👍

[left swift]

No u dont oskar

Be a better me oskar

[coarse lily]

IMO @zealous wedge sure is swell.

[visual egret]

i cant even patch paper smh

[zealous wedge]

imo @coarse lily is far cooler than @zealous wedge is

[warm anchor]

Life is hard being @quasi valley

[visual egret]

without pop os deciding to p i x e l a t e

[coarse lily]

No way. @zealous wedge is far cooler.

[zealous wedge]

i don't believe it ocelot

[coarse lily]

Believe it!

[zealous wedge]

i refuse.

[quasi valley]

I think @zealous wedge is just as cool as @coarse lily .

[warm anchor]

This kenny looks sus

[left swift]

What is this kneny is un-upsidedown?!?!?

[zealous wedge]

that's a bold statement there

[coarse lily]

Wow just as cool?

[woven otter]

kneny is the best because he's not a weeb

[warm anchor]

I see so ocelot is “just cool”

Look at them doing you like this ocelot

[coarse lily]

Anyone as cool as @zealous wedge is surely very cool.

[quasi valley]

exactly

[warm anchor]

[zealous wedge]

that implies i'm cool at all

[visual egret]

pixelation 😢

[waxen panther]

😳

[round root]

yo wtf i realise the anime pfp

omg :P

[minor badge]

@waxen panther hi

x

x

[woven otter]

@minor badge bully ?

[visual egret]

hi proxi

cant figure out how to get images not to be pixelated

[toxic comet]

broccowo

broccuwu

[woven otter]

you need to enhance

[visual egret]

enchance what

[woven otter]

your image

[visual egret]

the image in resources is 800x800

[left swift]

Enhanced duck

[visual egret]

that should be big enough

[waxen panther]

hey xx xx xx

[minor badge]

lol

[waxen panther]

[woven otter]

https://tenor.com/view/pokimane-gif-18112604

[minor badge]

a new face doesn't mean we're gonna merge stuff within 3 months anyways

you've got time

[left swift]

[toxic comet]

why is she beating people up

rude!

[left swift]

Beating up the simps not falling in line

[warm anchor]

Ask no mana. He kept up with poki news

[visual plover]

why anime server image

[toxic comet]

oh ok

because anime is great

[visual plover]

no

[left swift]

I should pay someone to anime my pfp

[visual plover]

anime is cringe

[toxic comet]

someone anime sander pfp

[left swift]

[visual egret]

wait it isnt my fault

[undone leaf]

bro what is this new logo

[visual egret]

old builds also look pixelated on pop os

[visual plover]

[toxic comet]

it's paper-chan

[left swift]

What new logo

[toxic comet]

yeah it's always been there

[dry ravine]

Why you complaining about the logo now when it's been there forever literally no one's forcing you to be in the discord lol

[native wolf]

What logo?

[visual plover]

because the offical logo is much better

[solid mountain]

papermc

[undone leaf]

^

[solid mountain]

weeb server now?

pog

[left swift]

Logo is official nothing changed?

[toxic comet]

it is the official logo silly goose

[hardy agate]

lets hope there no r34 coming up for the new mascot

[undone leaf]

weeb minecraft server core?

pog

[visual egret]

the new logo is just uwu so cute

[lavish crest]

The logo did not change, Athelstan-Chan is the mascot.

[native wolf]

Pls don't call server software "cores" lol

[lavish crest]

Still the logo

[undone leaf]

stfu

you cant make me do anything

[visual plover]

bro anime is lowkey some pedo shit

[undone leaf]

"12emin34"

ong

[left swift]

Feel like some gamer things are about to happen

[woven otter]

https://tenor.com/view/pokimane-no-oh-no-shaking-my-head-smh-gif-14307988

[undone leaf]

this is a pro gamer move

[toxic comet]

el em ay oh

[spare venture]

Simp

[left swift]

[visual plover]

this server is 1 step from james charles joining

[toxic comet]

oo i hope that snack joins

[spare venture]

You sound like a great person sander

[visual plover]

yea

[left swift]

Sander is just low effort troll

[spare venture]

so r u

[left swift]

I am cool though

[spare venture]

I guess

[toxic comet]

you are indeed

[left swift]

[cunning raft]

lol and they're playing rust

@waxen panther

[spare venture]

I was about to say this too haha

Doesn’t surprise me

[left swift]

His base is at r23 in rustafield main

[visual plover]

i play fortnite most of the time

[spare venture]

[toxic comet]

please stop

[visual plover]

sit there and whine about minecraft good fortntie bad keanu reeve 69 funny number while im securing this bag from tournaments

[waxen panther]

😁

[spare venture]

You’re not securing any bag man

[visual plover]

its easy to earn money

from tournaments /wagers

[serene fox]

@warm anchor can i say the nword here?

[toxic comet]

minecraft is good

fortnite is bad

[left swift]

[visual plover]

anime is trash g

[woven otter]

only once

[spare venture]

<@&748618676189528155>

[toxic comet]

anime is ART

[wide chasm]

Don't bait them

[warm anchor]

Pls don’t

[serene fox]

[visual plover]

[serene fox]

you got baited bro!! happy april fools !!!

its a prank!!!!!

[left swift]

Bro!

[cunning raft]

fucking weebs

i stg

[left swift]

Salt tea goodies?

[wide chasm]

This is the finest moment of this guild JRoy, enjoy it /s

[solid mountain]

papermc weeeeeeeeb

[toxic comet]

🐔👔

[spare venture]

What

[warm anchor]

Good afternoon @spare venture

[woven otter]

it's art only if you append r in front of it

[left swift]

Duck wearing a tie

[waxen panther]

ban mitsuki they're terrible

[wide chasm]

Duck I'm not saying it again

[stiff yarrow]

All hail paper-tan official mascot of weeb fork

[old ingot]

Why is the discord icon an anime character

[waxen panther]

[old ingot]

I like it but why

[serene fox]

wow this brocco

[warm anchor]

#announcements

[toxic comet]

ranime?

rart?

[woven otter]

what

[spare venture]

[old ingot]

Ah

[left swift]

All the anime pfp coming to chat since the update

[toxic comet]

do you know what day it is?

[warm anchor]

I mean this is the most active since 1.16 patch dropped

[visual plover]

too comfortable

[warm anchor]

Lol

[stiff yarrow]

Paper for the weebs and tuinity for the animal appreciators

[left swift]

Furries

[native wolf]

And purpur for squid gang

[warm anchor]

I mean leaf ain’t even hiding it

[woven otter]

both are bad

[warm anchor]

[stuck gazelle]

[woven otter]

at least tuinity doesnt have a furry logo

[left swift]

yet

[warm anchor]

I will get them one. Careful what you wish for

[native wolf]

Well

[woven otter]

can i wish for more things

[warm anchor]

Food doesn’t have much right Duck

[woven otter]

okay now you shut up

[left swift]

Does only leaf work on tuinity still or do more people work with them

[warm anchor]

I think he still does majority of the rewritten stuff

[stiff yarrow]

My eyes Christ

Feels nsfw just looking at it

[warm anchor]

Can you not lol

[stiff yarrow]

Deleting that for everyone’s benefit

[visual plover]

yeah probably

[woven otter]

what was that

some furry shit i assume

[full gorge]

Saved!

[visual egret]

i just tabbed into discord to see a furry

epic

[toxic comet]

i mean, i'm not into it

[warm anchor]

Oskar is too young for this

[visual egret]

hows ur day's going?

[toxic comet]

but like, how you gonna shame someone's interests

[warm anchor]

Guys we have to keep the children safe

[toxic comet]

yeah we do have to keep children safe!

[visual egret]

im installing windows on a vm because i think pop os and java dont mix well

[woven otter]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtH7l-dhHZQ

[toxic comet]

it is trans awareness day keep trans kids safe

[visual plover]

how can you have a straight face and say that theres nothing wrong with being a furry

[spare venture]

sander furry confirmed

[toxic comet]

facts

[visual egret]

sander ur a furry confirmed x3

[visual plover]

how old r u

[visual egret]

young

[visual plover]

age

[left swift]

This many

[visual plover]

<13 >13

[visual egret]

dont fit into those categories sadly

[toxic comet]

wat

[visual egret]

im 13

[spare venture]

Asking kids for their age

[rancid urchin]

god damn new pfp is godtier

[visual plover]

discord tos

[visual egret]

nonce wewooo

[spare venture]

I’m sure you follow the discord TOS sander

[visual plover]

yeah im 15

[left swift]

Anyways

[spare venture]

Ah a child

[visual egret]

age isnt the only thing in tos sander

[native wolf]

Yeah

[visual egret]

maybe if you did some reading you would be smarter

[cloud slate]

Can you accidentally (or intentionally if you're some sort of masochist I guess) cut yourself on Paper-chan?

[spare venture]

Yes read a book 😔

[visual plover]

are you implying i broke tos

[toxic comet]

that's a good question

[left swift]

[native wolf]

What the?

[toxic comet]

can paper-chan get paper cuts?

[spare venture]

I’m implying you’re a self hating furry

[waxen panther]

i wouldn't mind a paper cut from paper chan

[visual egret]

probably by the way you speak i wouldnt be suprised if you were god tier on 4chan or something

[cloud slate]

#announcements

[visual egret]

either way im not gonna argue

[cloud slate]

||Also, isn't it a bit early? Still have the 31st of march here||

[stiff shore]

Something something time zones

[toxic comet]

it's not an april fools joke silly billy

[upper flicker]

the number of people who dont understand timezones is astounding

[left swift]

Theres no due date to implement mascot

[native wolf]

I know i know that was just my reaction to your message

[upbeat falcon]

What would happen if we abolished time zones altogether? | WIRED ...

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/universal-time-zones
Oct 28, 2019, Hanke proposes that without the strictures imposed by a particular time zone, different locations would be free to tamper with their local working hours and timetables. Although all the clocks would be set to the same time, business hours would vary by location.

Requested by party#2255 - abolish timezones - result 1 of 10

[shy plover]

paper is anime now

[native wolf]

It's not even April for me lol

[upper flicker]

its important that paper-chan start as early as possible so as to ready the taco armies

she will lead them to our victory

[woven otter]

ur a timezone z

[vernal bone]

.taco

[shy plover]

rule 34 paper chan

[cloud slate]

Long live the timezones

[wide chasm]

The problem with time zones is that April 1st practically lasts two days

[left swift]

More lore

[toxic comet]

i mean, it's not april 1st for anyone in here probably so

[spare venture]

Timezones are the devil tricking us into thinking time is a man made concept

[toxic comet]

does timezone really matter

[upper flicker]

you dont have any idea what youre on about

you will be the first crushed by paper-chan's army

[toxic comet]

ok

[woven otter]

timezones only matter when discussing weeb server logos

[toxic comet]

cut me with paper i dare u

in fact, i beg you

[upper flicker]

I uh can't paperchan has all the paper

[toxic comet]

frick

[waxen panther]

[spare venture]

Is paperchan a servant of the devil

[toxic comet]

well i've been humiliated beyond belief

time to leave

[spare venture]

I heard she supplies paper to hell

[serene sentinel]

welcome to Paperchan where all simps are alive

[waxen panther]

@toxic comet

[stiff yarrow]

Imagine dying a death of a thousand paper cuts from paper-chan 😍

[waxen panther]

[visual plover]

😐

[spare venture]

[olive garden]

okay I think I'll leave this discord before I have to explain why I have this anime girl on my PC

bye

[native wolf]

I mean better than nothing

[zealous wedge]

who do you have to explain to wat

[night forum]

If you jsut look at the specs yes. But contabo is the cheapest provider out there and i guess there are saving on some important things 😉

[warm anchor]

Maybe his PC is in the living room and family can see it (?)

[native wolf]

Bruh

[spare venture]

His mom is going to see his discord

[lavish crest]

They left already.

[celest coyote]

https://i.redd.it/ps0t7aqepdj61.jpg

[mental meadow]

[waxen panther]

oh well 😁

[zealous wedge]

and what, appreciate the good art?

[warm anchor]

Wtf how you find this hahahahaha

[celest coyote]

Paper vtuber when

[native wolf]

Minecraft server anime when?

[lavish crest]

Anime style art has a bad reputation in some social groups for some reason.

[tropic flame]

Paper-chan best waifu

[visual egret]

ok testing my paper pr on windows lets see how it goes

[native wolf]

Where are Bukkit-chan and Spigot-chan? lol

[golden gust]

Sorry boiz and gals

but, like

Gura > paper chan

[tropic flame]

she kinda looks like Assassin from Akudama Drive btw - except more joyful-looking

[waxen panther]

no

[olive marlin]

.kill cat

[waxen panther]

mori >> gura

[limber knot]

glares at cat until they die of boredom.

[lavish crest]

And TacoSpigot-Chan

[golden gust]

Yea, but

Gura is hydroplanic

[waxen panther]

https://tenor.com/view/vtuber-gif-19498451

[astral linden]

Wow the discussion is still on this

[candid spindle]

[twin lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/hololive-mori-calliope-hololive-en-v-tuber-gif-18490930

[waxen panther]

[native wolf]

60fps

Nice

[golden gust]

Shame that her mouse pads wouldn't sell much though

[twin lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/genshin-genshin-impact-hu-tao-gabblelabblefabblewabble-gif-20643240

[candid spindle]

sure thing

[golden gust]

Mori's would fly outta stock

[warm anchor]

https://youtu.be/w5P1IzjagzI

[void void]

WTF is this icon

[waxen panther]

i'd buy moris mouse mat

haachamas first though

[native wolf]

What icon?

[waxen panther]

[visual plover]

https://tenor.com/view/not-funny-didnt-laugh-straight-face-serious-face-happy-face-gif-19402447

[warm anchor]

Whats wrong?

[woven otter]

[visual egret]

duck i have decided that weebs are ok

[woven otter]

i havent

[lavish crest]

The Paper Icon probably which is still this. Paper-Chan is the mascot, not the icon.

[visual egret]

ever since paper-chan

[mental meadow]

oskar being the smart one today

[waxen panther]

duck why wont you love me

[woven otter]

oskar being the brainwashed one today

[waxen panther]

duck why wont you love me

[woven otter]

weebs got to you

applies to both messages ig

[waxen panther]

😭

[lavish crest]

Why does make me a weeb?

I'm confused.

[spare venture]

Paper is almost done with its 2 year transformation

[woven otter]

this is a weeb server now

[golden gust]

now

[spare venture]

Going from very anti weeb to full weeb and I’m here for it

[golden gust]

https://tenor.com/brBhQ.gif

[waxen panther]

lmfao

[woven otter]

mfw

[waxen panther]

thank you cat

[woven otter]

cat is always on point

[warm anchor]

@spare venture it’s time

Are you on the right side?

[left swift]

On the left side

[spare venture]

Far left

[stiff yarrow]

its mainstream to be a weeb now

we are the majority

[woven otter]

[golden gust]

||Boku no Piko 4 best animu||

[left swift]

[vestal jasper]

weebs

[woven otter]

who's that

[vestal jasper]

ignore the fact I'm watching cowboy bebop rn

[spare venture]

[waxen panther]

you sir 😁

[woven otter]

photoshopped

[waxen panther]

😳

[woven otter]

also that reminds me

@minor badge bully ?

[void void]

I am stupid or someone real created anime girl for paper.....

[stiff yarrow]

jealous?

paper-chan always existed

in your hearts

[hardy agate]

yes

[vestal jasper]

@void void #announcements

[lavish crest]

How does this: , make me a weeb though? It has nothing to do with Japenese culture.

[minor badge]

@woven otter get bullied .

[pale river]

Only 15 uwu today despite the new server icon. This is sad.

[woven otter]

@vestal jasper #announcements

[true canyon]

uwu

[woven otter]

no you?

[minor badge]

no u ?

[candid spindle]

can we keep Paper-chan

?

[true canyon]

no youwu

[spare venture]

Delete this

[candid spindle]

I prefer this to the old logo

[zealous wedge]

uwu

[candid spindle]

I think its a new page for Paper

turned a leaf

[void void]

😐

Bro

[candid spindle]

hope I see it tomorrow

if not I am suing

[sharp inlet]

uwu

[spare venture]

Photoshopped

[void void]

Creating anime girl from fucking minecraft core....

[twin lagoon]

minecraft core

are you russian

[true canyon]

core?

[void void]

Yes

Idk how it's translated

[candid spindle]

what is minecraft core

[woven otter]

[pale river]

I call it a minecraft jar which really isn't better than core.

[native wolf]

Server Software

[candid spindle]

jar or core

[void void]

Thanks

Creating anime girl from fucking minecraft software....

[warm anchor]

It’s cute and that’s all it matters

[spare venture]

If you get angry over a discord server changing their logo as an April fools joke, you have problems.

(If it’s a April fools joke...)

[visual egret]

do i PR the logo change

[woven otter]

many people have problems. what's your point bparty

[spare venture]

Trying to use nano lol

[waxen panther]

who tf uses server gui

[pale river]

I am going to do /playsound creeper_hiss @a 0 0 0 1 1 1

[drowsy urchin]

Windows...

[spare venture]

Ye ur problem is that ur a damn duck

[native wolf]

That logo will make your server run 0.3mspt if you use server gui

[woven otter]

ur problem is that you bully my code but never show anything what a 🐔 you are

[weak quail]

wtf happened to the server logo

[void void]

FR

[visual egret]

it became better

[void void]

she hot af i aint complaining tho

[visual egret]

👁️

[ivory sable]

what happened to the paper discord guild icon?

[visual egret]

it got improved

[zealous wedge]

#announcements

[void void]

they got hacked by the weebs

weebs with good taste in women

[woven otter]

weebs infiltrated

that's no women

[zealous wedge]

hacked? paper is the weebs

[waxen panther]

[weak quail]

but what does anime have to do with paper tho

[spare venture]

Secretly I love your code

Closeted duck hater

[stiff yarrow]

if you're a good boy this year paper-chan may bestow the privilege of stepping on you 😊

[old ingot]

Idk man but anime is pog

[lavish crest]

I am not a weeb.

[vestal jasper]

huh

This is where I take my leave

[void void]

i hope she steps all over my face

[twin lagoon]

jfc

[native wolf]

Same lol

[void void]

yea u r

[olive marlin]

@twin lagoon

[void void]

if ur in this server ur automatically a weeb

[vernal moth]

https://i.imgur.com/Dfva4UO.png

I love it

[static badge]

what's paper chan's rate

[void void]

7

[native wolf]

10/10

[olive marlin]

Mini they gave access to the test framework?

[void void]

69/10

[brittle jacinth]

10/10

[weak quail]

nah im just here to cry for help when my minecraft server aint workin right

[void void]

dont matter dude

[ivory sable]

i didn't expect this, but i'm not surprised either.

[void void]

second u join, u get weeb status

dont matter why ur here

[ivory sable]

i'm here for the minecraft drama, duh :P

[vernal moth]

yes!

[native wolf]

Slowly but surely you'll accept her

[vernal moth]

I begged enough so they no longer strip it now

[void void]

i was thinking about something earlier

[olive marlin]

Awesome!

[waxen panther]

mini

[vernal moth]

https://i.imgur.com/2shyrqQ.png

and it works!

[stiff yarrow]

she is above our feeble concept of currency, it may as well be... regular paper to her

[void void]

say md_5 suddenly went missing or something tragic happened (i hope not), wtf happens to the project

[visual egret]

https://github.com/OskarZyg/Paper/commit/6cfd29b6315dd678cdf702f187eabcbb3a4b4cff so um guys, thoughts? Do I PR or what?

[void void]

isnt he the only one with main control to stuff

like he doesnt share shit

[olive marlin]

Paper hard forks and continues just fine.

[visual egret]

hardfork only speeds up in that case

[left swift]

Brocc

[native wolf]

Paper already has plans to hardfork so

[void void]

oh ok

[native wolf]

Nothing

[waxen panther]

[lavish crest]

Why hardfork?

[visual egret]

because snapshot paper

[void void]

bc no one likes to eat with soft forks

[lavish crest]

True

[native wolf]

Bc md_5 had some stupid decisions before (probably)

[ivory sable]

because paper devs don't want to be held back by spigot

[spare venture]

TikTok deleted one of my videos for saying “cut”, mistook it for self harm 😔

[left swift]

Nice job party

[void void]

make my grass depressed so it cuts itself

[left swift]

Tiktok revenue down this week

[native wolf]

Self harm isn't ok party

[woven otter]

wtf.

[left swift]

[olive marlin]

Paper wants to update earlier, fix stupidity of Bukkit/spigot etc.

[spare venture]

It’s because I said “cut down your enemies with this powerful sword”

[worn ember]

Not sure what i hate more, getting exceptions or not getting exceptions when stuff doesnt work lol

[left swift]

Trigger warning party

[woven otter]

wtf are we getting to make such tests now

[brave radish]

is that what I think it is? too lazy to check

[lavish crest]

Is Paper making their own version of CraftBukkit after the hard fork?

[golden gust]

paper is a fork of spigot which is a fork of craft/bukkit

[native wolf]

No, Paper will become standalone

[golden gust]

the hardfork would imply us forking away from spigot properly and maintaining our own release tree rather than relying upon a stagnent upstream

[void void]

more power to u 😄

[warm anchor]

its on the roadmap 😉

[ivory sable]

uhh is spigot stagnent? it's still being developed right?

[wide chasm]

Yes

[astral linden]

Do we know roughly when a hard fork would happen, if it happens, and how/if cross compatibility would be maintained?

[lavish crest]

Does that mean that plugins made using the Spigot API will no longer be compatible with Paper servers anymore?

[stiff yarrow]

a hard fork would imply breakages

[native wolf]

It's basically in maintenance mode, md_5 doesn't care at all

[golden gust]

spigot has refused for years to adopt stuff like the component stuff in vanilla

[left swift]

U guys see this stage channel update for discord?

[olive marlin]

They won't break immediately.

[spare venture]

The more people that contribute to paper the better

[golden gust]

as well as refusing to make the breaking changes needed for stuff like representing things like materials, etc

[olive marlin]

But over time, there will be changes, so stuff will start breaking.

[astral linden]

I do hate the material bullshit

[warm anchor]

you can support the project anyway possible. More resources the faster it can happen

[stiff yarrow]

you break stuff in order to make it better

CraftBukkit design is jank

[golden gust]

Choco did do some work on it which looks interesting, md hasn't commented on it publically in the months it's been up

[ivory sable]

they did that cool java bytecode transformation thing for the Material api

[void void]

idrc, paper will come out on top in the end, in due time, only cus contributions are openly welcome and the project isnt centralized around a single person

[golden gust]

Like, not breaking stuff is nice, but, the game has moved forward like, way too many years

It wasn't cool

[astral linden]

Yeah that's what I'm talking about, it's ridiculous

[golden gust]

Like, cool, your legacy crud still works

[astral linden]

It's so weird

[golden gust]

They didn't fix the issue that the game is moving forward, however

[stiff yarrow]

if you're using a plugin from 2011 that hasn't been updated in 10 years its time to move on

[golden gust]

they blatently refused to make a proper break there which would of offered a much better API for plugins

[astral linden]

I think if there was a hard fork, paper would definitely win out in the end

[golden gust]

Like, we're at the point now where spigot is removing vanilla features in the name of compat

[astral linden]

It's already more optimized with a more complete API

[astral linden]

Wait really

Like what

[floral tiger]

...if i put a copyrighted song on my server, what will happen 👀

[golden gust]

custom dimensions

[astral linden]

You mean the datapack ones?

[golden gust]

yes

[astral linden]

Hm

[golden gust]

that includes aspects like the custom biomes

[astral linden]

Well that sucks

[ivory sable]

isn't this commitment to compatibility part of its success? just like it is for java itself?

[woven otter]

that really sucks

[wide chasm]

Nothing until someone complains

[golden gust]

Not really

[visual egret]

well, nothing happens or you get a nice letter from a lawyer

[golden gust]

It's a double edged sword

[void void]

ive never been on paper forums, are they active at all, id assume they're not as active as spigot, but is there a good community on there as of now? just curious

[astral linden]

To some extent but it creates an overreliance on old shitty code

And a lot of hacks

[wide chasm]

It's way less active than spigot

[left swift]

People use the discord more than the forums

[golden gust]

think of a car, you've got an engine in it which chooches away

There is a new model out, but, you don't wanna swap that

You get a new dashboard, and find that it kinda works but acts funky

[worthy geode]

As long as compatibility isn't broken for no reason, I'm fine with it

[astral linden]

Honestly I would just really like to see modern versions become optimized enough that people stop running 1.8 entirely

The main reason people still run 1.8 is for pvp and for performance

[warm anchor]

they wont coz of the pvp hardcore following

[astral linden]

Pvp can already be fixed with plugins

[golden gust]

You find out that the older engine just doesn't work with this dashboard, but, it works enough, so you keep coming

[left swift]

"Fixed"

[astral linden]

The other thing I hate about servers still running 1.8 is that I have to use java 8 for my plugins that I want to be backwards compatible

[golden gust]

next year, they release a new fuel system, which saves you gas!

You fit it, and find that the fuel saving feature doesn't work coz your engine is old

[astral linden]

Which means I can't use new java features

[golden gust]

etc, etc, etc

[astral linden]

New java features which are awesome by the way

[void void]

ive never rly been active here, but you guys seem like nice people 😄

compared to core spigot comm

hello 😄

[golden gust]

at the end of the day, you end up with something which works but is so far hamped because of the decision to not move forward

and that's literally the bukkit API right now

[ivory sable]

okay thanks for you perspective zzzCat

[lavish crest]

How do I download the Paper API?

[limber knot]

Not cat. Cat is not nice.

[astral linden]

The API?

[woven otter]

cat is really nice

[broken rampart]

so basically you want newer versions to remove all features that have been added since 1.8? because most of the performance issues after tuinity are due to the higher complexity of the server

[void void]

die spigot die

[woven otter]

cat is the best

[native wolf]

Use Maven or Gradle to import it into your project

[void void]

relax dude

[astral linden]

Nope, but the game can still be very performant with this feature set

[golden gust]

many of the breaks which shoulda been done years ago have consistently refused to be handled, components in many parts of the API, custom biomes, coming up soon is gonna be aspects like materials and all that such

[astral linden]

One thing I don't understand is why Block#getType is so slow

[broken rampart]

There's no proof of this, because it's not true. 1/3rd the performance for 3x the features makes sense.

[astral linden]

But with a few NMS calls you can do the exact same thing an order of magnitude faster

Bro the game does not have 3x the features and that's not how anything works

Oh my god

More features does not automatically mean more lag because not all features are passive things happening constantly

[broken rampart]

It's probably not that slow, you're just using a profiler like spark that has the safepoint problem

[worthy geode]

There surely are still quite a lot of things that can be improved, but newer versions will never be as fast as 1.8

[astral linden]

Safepoint problem?

[broken rampart]

most of the issues relate to mobs & chunks, which have heavily changed since 1.8

[astral linden]

I'm not using a profiler to measure the runtime

[ivory sable]

okay I think I understand. e.g. I've wondered why spigot didn't expose the brigadier command library when 1.13 arrived.

[worthy geode]

Newer spark versions shouldn't have that problem tho

[astral linden]

I'm literally just measuring it with System.nanoTime()

[golden gust]

spigot didn't want to expose it because of the licensing

Or, that was the story

[broken rampart]

lol how are you measuring gettype with nanoTime, i'm pretty sure the cost of running nanotime will kill any sort of accuracy in the measurement

[astral linden]

.-.

Hold on

[golden gust]

In part, exposing brig is a bit of a pita in some areas

[astral linden]

Let me find the code

I might have used currentTimeMillis()

[broken rampart]

even worse lol

[visual egret]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/pull/5441#discussion_r605173544 i dont get what DemonWav means here... do i just Commit the changes?

[broken rampart]

because that method definitely takes less than 1 ms to run

[astral linden]

    public void test(Player sender) {
        Chunk chunk = sender.getLocation().getChunk();
        net.minecraft.server.v1_16_R3.Chunk nmsChunk = ((CraftChunk) chunk).getHandle();
        long time = System.currentTimeMillis();
        for (int x = 0; x < 15; x++) {
            for (int y = 0; y < 255; y++) {
                for (int z = 0; z < 15; z++) {
                    chunk.getBlock(x, y, z).getType();
                }
            }
        }
        Bukkit.broadcastMessage("Time for Spigot API: " + (System.currentTimeMillis() - time));
        time = System.currentTimeMillis();
        for (int x = 0; x < 15; x++) {
            for (int y = 0; y < 255; y++) {
                for (int z = 0; z < 15; z++) {
                    nmsChunk.getBlockData(x, y, z).getBukkitMaterial();
                }
            }
        }
        Bukkit.broadcastMessage("Time for NMS: " + (System.currentTimeMillis() - time));
    }```

[worthy geode]

How should it be slow? That data is already there in the block and the block is loaded as well

[astral linden]

This is the code I used to compare performance

[opal vale]

does paper have a better API?

[visual egret]

yes

[astral linden]

Yes.

[worthy geode]

Yes

[olive marlin]

.api

[lavish crest]

Is there still going to be the legal issues with the CraftBukkit code after the hard fork?

[limber knot]

https://minidigger.github.io/paper-api-diff/changes.html

[astral linden]

getBukkitMaterial() is added by paper by the way

It's not present in normal spigot

Trying to do the same thing with spigot will actually make it much slower because you'll need a HashMap or something similar

[opal vale]

I thought paper use bukkit API

[broken rampart]

oh you mean the bukkit getType, that's almost entirely because of creating a new block. but even still, due to how the JIT layers work in the JVM, you can't get a conclusion from that small of a test

[astral linden]

But Paper caches the material in the IBlockData instance

[olive marlin]

It builds on top of bukkit/spigot api.

[visual egret]

paperclip is a thing

[olive marlin]

It extends it / adds new API.

For example let's you create mob goals etc.

[vernal moth]

there are no legal issues with craftbukkit code

[golden gust]

There are legal grey areas but in general, the DMCA'ee appears to no longer be bothering and we're kinda frens with mojang, so, we're good

[grand comet]

why anime girl

[visual egret]

because improvement

[astral linden]

Because everyone is horny all the time

[worn ember]

same

[astral linden]

And needs to turn everything into anime girls

[visual egret]

what

[twin lagoon]

same

[worn ember]

go to horni jail

[woven otter]

[visual egret]

uh shit im fucking a pull request up

[opal vale]

I think bukkit API is so old. why don't they update their API.

[visual egret]

because backwards compatibility

[opal vale]

For example, bukkit still does not support minecraft raw json text/

I mean, they can add new method.

Keeping the old method is enough for backward compatiablity, isn't it?

[visual egret]

also bukkit is essentially on life support by spigot

[true canyon]

Because Bukkit died in 2014. ⚰️

[opal vale]

That's another confussed me. Why does spigot API build on top of bukkit API. Can't they just update bukkit API

I mean currenlty spigot team maintains bukkit, isn't it?

[golden gust]

they do maintain their own fork of bukkit

They don't maintain bukkit bukkit

bukkit bukkit is dead, as is bukkit's CB

[floral tiger]

"sometimes people do things that i really don't understand"

[golden gust]

Just, spigot maintains their own forks of those components

[lavish crest]

I heard that CraftBukkit exists because Spigot changes some vanilla behaviors and it is there for people who don't want those behavior's changed.

[opal vale]

Ya, I understand. But I don't understand is that why is there a spigot's bukkit & spigot's spigot. Isn't spigot's bukkit is enough.

[golden gust]

seperation, basically

[lavish crest]

They still want their main product to change those behaviours.

[wraith trail]

most of the "redstone won't work in x way" stuff that people complain about comes from cb, not spigot

[golden gust]

Like, some people still want CB, and, having some layer between vanilla and "crazy perf patches" is generally good

[vernal moth]

spigot is basically dead

[golden gust]

^^ too

[vernal moth]

there are no new changes to spigot

all new stuff is in their fork of bukkit

old changes dont get merged over cause reasons

[ivory sable]

they did add some extra methods to some classes, there are Server.Spigot and Entity.Spigot etc. Spigot did add a few events to the api that bukkit didn't have.

[opal vale]

yes, and there is bukkit's Player class and spigot Player class, which make me very uncomfortable

[lavish crest]

I think that nowadays, people who want complete vanilla behaviour use Fabric's server instead of CraftBukkit.

[golden gust]

or use paper and try to pester us :L

Fixing these inconsistencies would be nice

[opal vale]

btw does fabric server has equally good performance as paper?

[wraith trail]

fabric itself just provides an api

[golden gust]

Wonder if we can get the craftbook peep to like, go crazy and rewrite all of the redstone events

there are optimization mods for fabric

[wraith trail]

there are performance mods however many of which overlap with paper's functionality

[ancient bolt]

fabric server by itself is essentially equiv to vanilla

just includes a mod loader at the front

[opal vale]

I have looked sponge API once, and I feel it is much cleaner than bukkit

[ancient bolt]

the optimization mods are really really good

and I don't think the fabric api mod adds much overhead

[golden gust]

I mean

many of the sponge devs where originally bukkit devs

[ancient bolt]

sponge API is designed to interact with mods which inherently makes it more flexible and in some ways easier to adapt to new mc versions, but there's also a good deal of over-engineering and poorly designed APIs in sponge as well

[golden gust]

You sorta like, learn from your mistakes

[ancient bolt]

That being said, sponge actually have API versioning which allows them to break backwards compat when needed to improve the API

and sponge today vs sponge a few years ago is significantly better

[opal vale]

Honestly I never actually develop plugin on sponge, so it maybe just my feeling is wrong.

[ivory sable]

is sponge 1.16 a thing yet though?

[opal vale]

btw I mean API 8

there is a test build for 1.16.5

but API 8 is still not yet frozen, so nothing is released yet.

[opal vale]

True, the API seems very modern, but I don't think they have backward compatibility.

[worn ember]

hello darkness my old friend

[golden gust]

not having backwards compat is one of the best parts of sponge

[zealous wedge]

dev builds exist

[stiff yarrow]

how is fabric API vs Sponge API

[golden gust]

Proper API versioning means that they actually move

[zealous wedge]

fabric is a thin layer on top of vanilla

[opal vale]

may also be the worst thing.

[golden gust]

No

[zealous wedge]

sponge is a full-on abstraction

[golden gust]

Don't break shit for the sake of breaking shit

[zealous wedge]

minecraft changes

[lavish crest]

Apparently, the fabric API is a seperate mod.

[golden gust]

But, spigots at the point of disabling vanilla features coz they don't wanna break shit they shoulda broke years ago

[zealous wedge]

with sponge our hope is guess minecraft's future but also give devs as much of a heads-up and reasonable deprecation period as possible when things change

[opal vale]

But API versioning will cause less plugin works on currently version.

[golden gust]

I know having 5 year old plugins work is amazing, but, there comes a point where the refusal to move forward has now compounded into there needing to be LARGE breaks in a smallish period of time

Which sucks, but, what do you propose

We carry on disabling vanilla features?

[stiff yarrow]

which features are disabled?

[golden gust]

custom dimensions and biomes

[opal vale]

I see.

[ancient bolt]

Sponge's use of Optional is specifically intended so that plugins can write code to gracefully handle disabled or changed APIs, but it mostly has caused dumb memes by this point

[ivory sable]

why would custom vanilla words need to be disabled in order to keep compat? why not have both custom vanilla worlds and custom plugin-worlds?

[golden gust]

Mojangs also working on other aspects which we know will break stuff in the future

[spare venture]

Will paper pull the same bullshit that spigot does with backward compat?

[golden gust]

It already is disabled

It's disabled because in order to support both of them, they need to fix the biome API

[upbeat tartan]

bruh why did the logo change to anime girl

[spare venture]

Or is there no intention to support 1+ year old versions

[golden gust]

in order to fix the biome API, they need to break the biome API

[upbeat tartan]

i thought this was a mc script

[zealous wedge]

@upbeat tartan #announcements

[golden gust]

now you see the entire issue

Now, they coulda broke the biome API years ago

[spare venture]

Or has there been discussion on the hard forks stance on that yet

[upbeat tartan]

lol

ok

[golden gust]

Sure, that woulda sucked at the time, but, the new API wouldn't need to be as broken to update as it now needs to be

[upbeat tartan]

paper mc has a gf now

[golden gust]

Same for the material API

That's gonna be broken to all shit in a few versions with the discussions we've been having with mojang

[opal vale]

btw it seems that bukkit API also has many incomplete part

[green pendant]

put the old logo back you filthy heretics

[ivory sable]

can I ask, what have you been discussing with mojang, and how does it relate to the material api?

[twin lagoon]

[golden gust]

Breaking that thing during the flattening woulda been great to have a clean slate, only, md refused to do so, and so we got a bytecode hackery and a updated/basterdized enum

[stiff yarrow]

Material API was a mistake 🔫

[ivory sable]

or is that still a secret

[lavish crest]

The old logo is still the logo

[upbeat tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/ideus-vult-intensify-intensifying-intensifies-gif-8536803

[lavish crest]

[visual egret]

wtf is happening here https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/pull/5441 is paper turning into some cult on my PR or what lol

[lavish crest]

Paper-Chan is a mascot not a logo

[golden gust]

Mojang is basically working to make data packs more powerful and able to control more stuff

e.g. biomes are now defined by datapacks rather than hardcoded structures in the server

[opal vale]

to be honest. datapack is now how programmer do thing, at least for current datapack

[ivory sable]

aah my guess is then datapack-defined item- and block types

[visual egret]

cat do you think custom blocks are going to be implemented?

and items while they do that?

[worthy geode]

Looks to me like important matters regarding the future of the project are getting discussed

[lavish crest]

Is that why minecraft crashes without a datapack now?

[golden gust]

if you managed to remove the built in datapack, probs

the world gen stuff is defined in the vanilla datapack

[green pendant]

You, sir, are the root of all evil. I love the paper plane.

[olive marlin]

Minecraft already provides the built-in datapack to do most things, I wouldn't be surprised if the end goal was to have Minecraft be just an "engine" able to read datapack "scripts".

[woven otter]

wait wot is that a thing

[opal vale]

as long as the datapack does not support parameter for function, datapack will not be the furture

[green pendant]

Bedrock edition is doing that

Maintenance way cheaper

[wraith trail]

see here @woven otter https://github.com/slicedlime/examples

vanilla datapack

[opal vale]

most of thing, if don't care performace.

[wraith trail]

for worldgen that is

[minor badge]

@true canyon hello, you're now acting head of legal; please see PR 5441

[olive marlin]

Proxi upsidedownist?

[green pendant]

Can you draw the logo again to make the anime girl be a plane?

[mental meadow]

look at hear head

[olive marlin]

She has 2 paper planes as "cat ears".

[mental meadow]

https://papermc.io/images/community-uwu.png

[green pendant]

Not far enough. She must be entirely made out of origami

[twin lagoon]

@olive marlin

[olive marlin]

[worthy geode]

maybe its very nicely folded origami so it looks realistic

[stiff yarrow]

pure genius

[visual egret]

all fun and games until someone goes @md_5 on issue 5441

[true canyon]

@minor badge pinged the wrong person. I'm mbax

[minor badge]

yes

you are acting head of legal

[calm lance]

lolo what happened to the original paper logo D:

[stiff yarrow]

someone link me to issue 5441

[minor badge]

please see PR 5441

[calm lance]

Is it Prima Aprilis sort of thing?

[lavish crest]

It's still the logo.

[opal vale]

I believe there is a computer program that can generate origami of an shape/

[lavish crest]

[olive marlin]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/pull/5441

[stiff yarrow]

nm found the link

[true canyon]

Yes but I'm mbax and you pinged mbaxter

[cunning raft]

poor guy

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@true canyon hello mbax, you are acting head of legal, please see PR 5441

[cunning raft]

whoever that is

[green pendant]

Vote no on issue #5441

[cunning raft]

looks like some crypto guy

[true canyon]

What I meant is on github you pinged the wrong person.

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oh

[true canyon]

😄

[ivory sable]

wow, I hadn't even noticed this

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[green pendant]

You a lot has better be from Australia aka April 1st swear to God I'm gonna turn this bus around and go back to 🪣

[spare venture]

English please

[green pendant]

[lavish crest]

The logo hasn't changed. It's still the airplane. Mascot != logo.

[visual egret]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/pull/5441 or has it?

[lavish crest]

The pull request is still open though.

[visual egret]

real questions being asked here

[ivory sable]

but regarding the material api; couldn't spigot just do what it did to BungeeCords ChatColor - convert all the enum constants to static final fields, and re-implement the name(), toString() and valueOf(), ordinal() and hashCode() methods?

[granite axle]

this pr is actually incredible

[visual egret]

lucy look i figured out how to contribute to paper

[granite axle]

lmao nice

[opal vale]

btw what is material api?

[granite axle]

i actually adore this community sm

this would never ever ever ever happen on spigot

[visual egret]

ima send this PR to their discord and see how they react kek

[spare venture]

Why

[visual egret]

kek

[wraith trail]

oskar it's not even valid

that isn't a png

[ivory sable]

org.bukkit.Material;

[visual egret]

it is? i tested it

[tropic flame]

YO That's me

[wraith trail]

yeah but then you edited part of it, making it invalid

[tropic flame]

hello

[opal vale]

I think it is just enum, anything special about it?

[visual egret]

#paper-dev message

[golden gust]

there are ways you could try to bastardize ABI

But, like

[wraith trail]

you can't go just willy nilly editing a binary and expect it to work

[golden gust]

Now you're just maintaining shit for the sake of maintaining shit

[wraith trail]

oh nevermind

I see why you did that

[golden gust]

replace the API with something new

let the older API sit around for a version or two and yeet it

[visual egret]

wtf is this pr

[golden gust]

babying people with deprecation and "We mustn't break API!" is literally the bastardization of the bukkit API

[mental meadow]

If only everything in our repo would get so much attention

[lavish crest]

Lol