Well I’m fucking braindead
#general
urban jewel
magic river
I don't even know what minehut is 😛
wild escarp
Free host
visual egret
so like a ripoff aternos or what
cunning raft
"ripoff"
wide chasm
It's like a giant proxy where everyone can create their own sub-server
Basic functionality is free, I think if you want more stuff it's paid
visual egret
ripoff of a ripoff of a ripoff of a ripoff
visual egret
but you can rip off a real host to create a free host
cunning raft
tf
no
how is the real host being ripped off
they're selling their product at their desired price?
wraith trail
there was some guy in #paper-help who ran a big minehut server, apparently paying $50/mo for this https://timings.aikar.co/?id=a7d8cf7a11374bdfbaa0d1bd364fe0df
although you're basically paying for players, not hosting
and they don't let you add real plugins, so gamemodes are basically solely written with skript
wild escarp
🤮
warm anchor
I don't even know what minehut is 😛
It’s like a specialized MLM where no one can leave (they don’t provide way to download backup) and they let all server host to take all risk of server failing (they offer paid plan and offer “customers” base for those owners)
It’s honestly a super smart plan coz they took zero risk
spare venture
They do all the advertising
pulsar wigeon
didn't they have a big data breach at some point
that's all i really remember hearing about them
wraith trail
well you're not actually paying for hosting, but access to their playerbase
spare venture
They are the second largest server in java IIRC
warm anchor
They did wizjany
worn ember
Ez data leak
spare venture
There are many minehut servers that are larger than most servers here haha
undone crest
anyone here from UK I can chit-chat with?
I'm from Philippines
I just want to ask about UK budgeting for food/electricity/internet/mobile
mossy vessel
Can slide in @upbeat falcons dms, they are always willing to help
undone crest
oh that's nice ❤️
coz I'll be a nurse there in like 1-2 months from now
I would like to ask about budget for food/electricity/internet/mobile for 2 people
I already asked my agent but they said £50 is decent for 2 people per week
so I would like to know from someone who actually live there locally who spend alot of time in computer like me lol
visual egret
what
vernal moth
Security error = csrf token expired iirc
tranquil bone
PhoenixNAP is already top tier stuff 🤩
warm anchor
I just want to ask about UK budgeting for food/electricity/internet/mobile
Are you moving aboard. Just look for blogs from students living aboard etc
undone crest
Are you moving aboard. Just look for blogs from students living aboard etc
Okay I just found a Facebook Group full of people like me thanks for recommending this btw!
visual egret
its great here idk what brocc is on about
quasi valley
yeah brocc we have oskar, how can it not be great here
sleek inlet
What dose waterfall do?
waxen panther
it's like bungee
visual egret
proxies different servers
waxen panther
it's a proxy
visual egret
but velocity is nicer ngl
waxen panther
of course it is
sleek inlet
Why do people not use bungee why do they pick waterfal what dose it provide that bungee dose not?
wild escarp
velocity best
visual egret
yes velocity is very pog
sleek inlet
I've heard alot of velocity but I use bungee
sleek inlet
What improvements is velocity compared to bungee
waxen panther
it's not written by md_69
sleek inlet
Is that meant to be a big improvement?
visual egret
yes
https://velocitypowered.com/wiki/users/comparisons-to-other-proxies/ i always reccomend reading the wiki
sleek inlet
Ty
austere ivy
you ever come up with a solution to a code design problem in the shower and so you gotta race to implement it before it’s forgotten?
or like, race to get out of the shower lol
warm anchor
Okay I just found a Facebook Group full of people like me thanks for recommendin...
My other suggestion is look at personal blogs not just FB. FB tend to be an echo chamber and if you are really going out to later become immigrant, you will want to steer away from those places
wide chasm
How long do you shower that you've forgotten it before you've finished showering?
austere ivy
the issue isn’t how long my showers are but rather how quickly I forget things
but I also take long showers too lol
worn ember
i just made a physical button to switch audio devices on my machine, so much easier than having to use the gui 
olive garden
good job
worn ember
Thanqq greg
cedar spade
or like, race to get out of the shower lol
I want to make a pun about race conditions but can't think of a good one
merry talon
If I lived alone I would probably spend all day in the shower
worn ember
If I lived alone I would probably spend all day in the shower
that doesnt sound very efficient
woven otter
sounds like wrinkly fingers
woven otter
wat
warm anchor
Carbon tax is good
merry talon
I can't find the site right now but
worn ember
Just europe things
merry talon
they plant a certain amount of trees per month
warm anchor
I read somewhere that those tree planning isn’t very effective
That it’s best to put those money in improving our energy infrastructure and alternative energy than planting trees.
But I will be dead before earth ends so 🤷♂️
vernal moth
That's not entirely true. Reforestation is very important
You also will live to notice many effects of the climate catastrophe, you that's a really dum view
You can already see the effects now and it's only getting worse, especially if we don't do more to reduce emissions
warm anchor
I mean I am not denying it but I think the idea of the things I read is that there are more effective way of reversing the effect
Like we can’t just plant tree out of this hole we dig as whole human race
vernal moth
You can't reverse the effect by reducing emissions
You first have the reduce emissions, and then you can reverse it with stuff like trees
But the issue rn is: we actively burning tree to create more farming land. That has to stop right fucking now or we greatly accelerating the process
So planing trees rn is only a little try to compensate for all the loss
Critical post about this topic
woven otter
we are also running out of time :/
warm anchor
we are also running out of time :/
I will cook you 
Peking duck 
woven otter
help the climate by stopping to breathe
wide chasm
Brilliant
visual egret
i wonder how much % of co2 emmissions is breathing 
woven otter
one of the most fascinating things i have heard about as an effort to fight climate change (or appeal to vegans idk) is plant based meat that actually tastes/looks/smells like meat and that is pretty amazing tbh
warm anchor
Lab grown meat also has less impact than animal farming
visual egret
@ modz help eternity wants to sheff me
warm anchor
But it’s expensive as fuck
worn ember
You also will live to notice many effects of the climate catastrophe, you that's...
trees only provide 5% of oxygen generation tho
woven otter
but they store carbon from CO2
woven otter
yeah
worn ember
i bet ur mom eats 60% 
woven otter
yes mini that's pretty much what I said
worn ember
just make carbon scrubbers
visual egret
r
merry talon
I mean i feel like my lifetime is too short for any of that to matter and I'm too small to have any effect on it anyways
So I can just keep telling myself I'm doing good by having trees planted
better than nothing
modern willow
any recommended plugins to force players to spawn at spawn point
modern willow
if i wanted to look it up on google i would had
upbeat falconBOT
Requested by oskar - spawn plugin spigotmc - result 1 of 9
warm anchor
Well you should
jade flax
google? pfft nah bug people
woven otter
yes
visual egret
i suddenly like eating ducks
woven otter
i suddenly hate oskar
left swift
just now?
visual egret
nomana shush
left swift
ducks are friends not food oskar
woven otter
smh oskar
visual egret
ducks are only my friends when i dont see one showing a giant bug to me
left swift
truuuu
woven otter
it's not a bug!
spare venture
just make carbon scrubbers
trees are good carbon scrubbers
worn ember
trees are good carbon scrubbers
👏
waxen panther
@magic river they finally replied lol
worn ember
thats what you get for buying weeb stuff
meager tusk
Fact bro.
Weeb stuff is hard to send out. They have to bleach their eyes five times during packaging.
worn ember
lol
visual egret
md wont let lucy redistribute (paperclipped)spigot nooo
meager tusk
<@!589898090174218243> bro!
BRO!
meager tusk
🛌
vale rune
@meager tusk me kon ke ti nenqim.
void void
why did my 16gb ram die?
visual egret
because death happens to everything mortal
void void
90eur :P new ram
visual egret
like brand new or what
meager tusk
<@!589898090174218243> me kon ke ti nenqim.
PSD BRO 
LOL
vale rune
Bruh!
meager tusk
Just kidding bro. They are too busy painting trashcans.
twin lagoon
Bro!
magic river
vestal lion
Hi all, for the life of me I can't remember how to join a local server on minecraft.
What's the keyword again? Localserver as the IP address? Local?
waxen panther
localhost
vestal lion
Gracias, 🙏
olive marlin
Broccolai very helpful / flushed?
waxen panther
heck new one was too long
olive marlin
magic river
Neat nvidia stopped being dicks
visual egret
open source??
magic river
You can use PCIe passthrough with their drivers now without tricking the driver in to thinking it's not in a VM or buying one of their $4000 cards
Ok, they're being less dickish 😛
visual egret
nvm i guess not yet 🙁
magic river
They're also apparently looking in to a GBM implementation so they can support wayland the same way everyone else is
zealous wedge
lol they're finally doing something sensible?
spare venture
Competition is good??
vernal moth
There's competition for nvidia?
spare venture
Kinda but not really
olive marlin
AMD is still a few years behind, but maybe they learned from CPU segment and started increasing their value earlier instead of waiting until it's too late.
worn ember
i dont even buy anything nvidia tbh
vernal moth
Theres actually a amd card in top 10
worn ember
amd makes cars now?
spare venture
Their GPUs are still better
magic river
afaik the latest (RDNA2) AMD cards are competitive
Too bad no one has ever owned one
worn ember
AMD is nice for mid tier cards
olive marlin
They are good for gaming etc, but still lack a lot of Nvidia features, like proper RTX, CUDA etc.
worn ember
ah yes for those 3 games that support it
magic river
They don't have RTX since that's a software thing but they have hardware raytracing
magic river
They don't have dedicated AI cores but they did add some matrix instructions to their standard cores to accelerate AI operations
They're working on a DLSS thing that uses that
vernal moth
Oh so not ready yet?
olive marlin
ah yes for those 3 games that support it
Not speaking about games only. Machine learning tools like TF heavily rely on CUDA.
Software needs to support AMD cards, but it just isn't there yet. People still rely on Nvidia.
upper flicker
AMD dedicating lots of fab time to consoles too doesn’t help availability
ofc we understand why, consoles keep the lights on
but still
upper flicker
lol
spare venture
Bad timing with pandemic, crypto demand for GPUs, and new gen of consoles
olive marlin
Offtopic and I expect the answer to be "no", but can anyone recommend some testing framework, preferably TAP compatible to test bash?
I've used bats, but not sure if there's something better around.
Didn't find anything, but I know many frameworks don't actually advertise themselves as TAPs.
spare venture
That’s a long time
loud siren
Someone here use MySQL Player Data Bridge ?
analog steppe
What's a great chat formatting library?
olive marlin
@twin lagoon I heard you like bash: https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/0f275a68cb644b8b9caaee15104d8498
Still need to write tests for it. But was expecting to go over 300 lines, while I got just below 200.
twin lagoon
olive marlin
What's a great chat formatting library?
Adventure? MiniMessage? Depends on what you want exactly.
twin lagoon
tf does this do
olive marlin
Read the description smh.
merry talon
nvidia reflex is huge
analog steppe
That I can use to nicely embed links, wrap the words at new line, colors, etc.
olive marlin
Lets me store config without secrets in git, then template it for server runtime, then commit changes back to the repo, without secrets.
upper flicker
I have been converting similar scripts to python lately
twin lagoon
That I can use to nicely embed links, wrap the words at new line, colors, etc.
yeah just check kyori's adventure & kyori's minimessage
upper flicker
Just more maintainable in the long run, and python is a first class citizen on all sane platforms
analog steppe
yeah just check kyori's adventure & kyori's minimessage
thank you
twin lagoon
most people will probably refer to the same here
upper flicker
rip my grey beard bash though
olive marlin
Though I kinda want to make it work on different worktrees, so that server files are not being modified during script execution.
cunning raft
Just more maintainable in the long run, and python is a first class citizen on a...
i find jsfuck to improve viability and maintainability
upper flicker
Yeah I can see why you’d think that
olive marlin
I usually would use python, but given that it's 90% just executing subprocesses and very little logic, it's meh.
upper flicker
Whatever works best for you and your use case
olive marlin
Would be easier to test, that's for sure.
olive marlin
Just python and handling of subprocesses etc is meh in general.
twin lagoon
Lets me store config without secrets in git, then template it for server runtime...
this sounds like an XY problem tbh
although eh, i guess it's the only way to do things without overcomplicating it & adding specific support for things
i'd personally just get all secrets handled by env vars
olive marlin
this sounds like an XY problem tbh
The case is - have staging with the same config as prod, just different secrets. And make it possible to push changes done to the config, while it was templated.
olive marlin
i'd personally just get all secrets handled by env vars
Not patching all my plugins to use env vars kek. Especially since I can't reload those.
twin lagoon
needs more kubernetes
olive marlin
It literally takes your env vars, finds ${VAR} and $VAR in files, replaces them in config, done.
k8s is way overkill for my setup.
Also means I can't do horrible hacks anymore.
My end goal is have CI which prepares plugins updates automatically and just let me accept them by merging the commit.
I know it's also way overkill for my setup, but...
unkempt drift
if the earth was flat, there would be conspiracy theories that it was round
waxen panther
wow hot take ! 😁
upper flicker
a bird in the hand dont mean the cows'll come home
spare venture
If the earth was flat idk how gravity would work unless it was like a cube
unkempt drift
gravity is just a theory party
brave radish
huh? how are that many servers running 10.16? I know that's what the Big Sur betas reported as, but Big Sur itself has it's own category so clearly bStats doesn't think they're all 10.16. What's up here?
spare venture
Why are any servers running it
unkempt drift
macos #1 os
wraith trail
would be nice if bstats let you see player counts and other data by os
brave radish
oh 428 it gives exact numbers
wraith trail
or just keep track of what parts of different datasets align to eachother
brave radish
so 428 on macOS lol
that could easily be 400 people developing on macs
or 300 and 100 running it for a private server
I guess it's possible that like java 8 reports it as 10.16 and some newer ones 11?
magic river
Or a lot of people are using hackintosh setups that they didn't bother to upgrade yet
void void
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Icj5TNmBUI This is insane
zealous wedge
only the 50th time that's gone around
unkempt drift
get a new one
warm anchor
Maybe it was shutdown at 02:00 you just didn’t notice 
potent fossil
probably just ppl running home servers or dev servers
wow ok was scrolled up
discord smh
worn ember
potent fossil
potent fossil
lubing you say 😏
waxen panther
potent fossil
wraith trail
may I ask why?
cosmic raft
hi
wraith trail
never heard of anyone ever applying lube to a switch
potent fossil
hi kash
zealous wedge
only some types of switches 👀
potent fossil
i just buy new keyboards 
waxen panther
warm anchor
i dont like unluubed
I am totally taking this out of context 
waxen panther
😳
potent fossil
my cat just tore me up smh
got a scratch all up my stomach and down my arm and a nice puncture hole in my wrist
thanks kitty
all bc she didnt want to come in for the night
too busy eating mosquitos or something
left swift
zealous wedge
my cat just tore me up smh
how mean of her
waxen panther
https://static.jacobandersen.dev/shared/Repentant-Hoki-e1.png <:PepeLa:798951090...
I’m wearing one rn 
very high quality well framed photo I know
warm anchor
Wow brocco based
waxen panther
left swift
what if we kissed in lumbridge?
left swift
magic river
Yeah I guess that should have gone in #memes
Was hoping to start a conversation 😛
btw if you don't own Super Mario 3D All-Stars yet you have 24 hours left
Yeah, back in the vault it goes
waxen panther
<@&748618676189528155> cringe person is back again
dont care
tbh its just kinda sad how lonely you are 
they're ban evading me45
its waterdronk gorl
or w/e
sharp sentinel
waxen panther
mighty storm
rory is disappointed in your behavior
waxen panther
its ! now
mighty storm
rory would not be happy with your ban evasion, im sure she'd be desvastated if she found out
zealous wedge
lol <@&748618676189528155> i wonder how long until they run out of alts
zealous wedge
i just like to see you struggle
golden gust
The trick to not being banned is to admit when you fuck up so that you can actually appeal, vs acting like a spoiled child continuing to break the rules, tryna get staff to let you off the hook while continuing to break the rules is just a sad attempt at crying for attention.
zealous wedge
installs discord on windows 7e
magic river
pfp shouldn't be a thing
golden gust
!ban @sudden vale ban evasion
thorny flickerBOT
:raised_hands: Banned Iamb#2337 (ban evasion) [1 total infraction] -- electronicboy#8869.
cosmic raft
limber knotBOT
s/pfp/php
Correction, <DiscordBot> <03Amaranth> php shouldn't be a thing
smh scissors go fix your colour handling
magic river
PHP has uses, it's better than Perl 😛
limber knotBOT
zml: is cloudbot in general :p
magic river
PFP is just a new name for something we already have
limber knotBOT
fite cloudbot
limber knotBOT
how's that going simpleauthority?
magic river
And a confusing one, why does profile get two letters?
golden gust
ProFilePicTure, PFPT?
limber knotBOT
the f is for fuck you
waxen panther
cosmic raft
"pfp" as a replacement for "avatar" is one of the worst things Gen Z has done
Avatar is:
* Three syllables
* Entirely typed with the left hand in a convenient back and forth motion
* A word
PFP is:
* Three syllables, saving literally zero syllables.
* Typed with two hands, a waste of a hand for so few letters.
* A shortening of two words into three letters. What.
* Not even a proper initialism because it relies on two letters from one word.
* Requires mental unpacking to figure out the meaning.
from Syscraft
limber knotBOT
and that's why we say avatar :p
golden gust
and PFPT is the stock marker for some rando company
magic river
pp fuck you, got it
static badge
that's what ur mom told me
limber knotBOT
calling him spotted instead of leaf
static badge
people used to call me spot
waxen panther
i wonder if this brand new person to discord is sus 😁
leaf ur current paypal avatar is disgusting
set it to the same one you have on discord
limber knotBOT
i didn't realize you were a dog
waxen panther
😡
static badge
no
spare venture
call him streamfrost thanks
waxen panther
is paypal avatar looks like the streamfrost image tbh
magic river
You should always think about how people are going to nickname your nickname when choosing it
golden gust
I mean, I made my nick when I was like 8
I also found out that some rando DJ has stolen it
magic river
My nickname is probably older than some of the people in here 😛
limber knotBOT
time for you to roll out your career as a dj, cat
magic river
And of course someone in the electronic music scene has used your name
cosmic raft
.amaranth
limber knotBOT
magic river
Probably several times
Yeah I failed that one
Although I think I predate the song?
Registered : Apr 14 22:50:44 2003 (17y 50w 5d ago)
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!ban @civic crag ban evasion
thorny flickerBOT
:raised_hands: Banned portugnol1227#2822 (ban evasion) [1 total infraction] -- marï // Proximyst#0069.
cosmic raft
zealous wedge
submit a video1
minor badge
I'd always imagined Amaranth as like 25-30 y/o 
magic river
34
static badge
ancient
cosmic raft
says the leaf
waxen panther
nearly half the age of z750
thorny flickerBOT
:raised_hands: Banned Engelberto Tindell#6103 (evasiom) [1 total infraction] -- marï // Proximyst#0069.
waxen panther
iom
limber knotBOT
someone seems to be overstating how hard it is to find alts
untold copper
```
"pfp" as a replacement for "avatar" is one of the worst things Gen Z has don...
👀
limber knotBOT
https://i.imgur.com/AFiDxAe.png uhhh duplicate message?
Z750: ur bot did a thing i think?
limber knotBOT
too smart for its own good >.>
visual egret
purpur.yml moment
potent fossil
```
"pfp" as a replacement for "avatar" is one of the worst things Gen Z has don...
so when we getting a factoid for that
visual egret
party is popping of with them tiktok ads though
magic river
```
"pfp" as a replacement for "avatar" is one of the worst things Gen Z has don...
I just want to reply to this to mess with the relay
autumn glen
anyone know the plugin that can be used to remove these command suggestions?
golden gust
namespaced commands in spigot.yml
autumn glen
oki lemme check it out
magic river
Why would you want to remove them? 😛
autumn glen
doesn't look nice for the player
magic river
They only show up if you're allowed to use them
spare venture
Damn Oskar stalking me
autumn glen
well it would then say "you can't use this command"
magic river
Ah so you're using a crappy plugin
autumn glen
i don't know about that, really.
spare venture
Few plugins register their command permissions properly
magic river
If a plugin is registered correctly with Bukkit it'll do a permission check before offering it as a suggestion
Yeah and then they all bitch about the features that take advantage of that
autumn glen
vestal jasper
it does not
commands:
AdvancedBan:
description: Information about the Plugin
ban:
description: Ban a user permanently
tempban:
description: Ban a user temporarily
ipban:
description: Ban a user by IP
aliases: [banip, ban-ip]
...```etc
magic river
mmm hot garbage
vestal jasper
it defines no permissions nor assigns any to any commands
@autumn glen go yell at the dev to register their commands fully/properly
autumn glen
yet in it's documentation it says there's permissions to be used
vestal jasper
inb4 it checks the perms manually
magic river
It's telling the server everyone is allowed to use those commands
autumn glen
so let's say I remove those parts, or add a permission to those commands, what would happen?
wraith trail
It can still use permissions, it is just not properly registering them
magic river
If there is a permission on those commands only people who have the permission should see them
autumn glen
hm
potent fossil
if you manually edit the plugin yml then it'll only show up in suggestions for those who have the perm, the proper fix is to yell at the author
autumn glen
last time i tried to edit a plugin name and then remake the jar but the plugin got corrupted xD
magic river
Instead the plugin is telling the server everyone can use the commands and doing permission checks by itself
autumn glen
ah, yeah.
potent fossil
jars are just special zip files
unzip with winrar, edit, rezip, rename to .jar
done
autumn glen
yeah that's what i was tryin
vestal jasper
@Override
public boolean callCMD(final Object player, final String cmd) {
final Punishment pnt;
if (Universal.get().isMuteCommand(cmd.substring(1)) && (pnt = PunishmentManager.get().getMute(UUIDManager.get().getUUID(this.getName(player)))) != null) {
pnt.getLayout().forEach(str -> this.sendMessage(player, str));
return true;
}
return false;
}```this is how it's handling commands
potent fossil
bruh
vestal jasper
{
@EventHandler(priority = EventPriority.HIGHEST)
public void onCommand(final PlayerCommandPreprocessEvent event) {
if (Universal.get().getMethods().callCMD(event.getPlayer(), event.getMessage())) {
event.setCancelled(true);
}
}```etc
potent fossil
WHAT
magic river
🤢
vestal jasper
its commands? are cross platform
potent fossil
had no idea advancedban was this bad
vestal jasper
it actually uhhh
spare venture
Do ACF commands do it properly? I assume it does
vestal jasper
it runs on bungee and spigot in one jar
potent fossil
yes
vestal jasper
so it just mashes classes together and dispatches commands and everything to "common"
potent fossil
alright, well, this is just sad
vestal jasper
personally prefer the route of just using cloud and cloud's ability to define platform independent commands
golden gust
being cross platform has nothing to do with that bad design
vestal jasper
yeah ik
golden gust
You literally just define a permission and it magically works
vestal jasper
just saying cloud's a great solution to that other issue
golden gust
bukkit already has concepts such as nesting of perms to help even in the more odd cases
magic river
They even define the commands in plugin.yml
Like, the way they dispatch commands doesn't even require that
So they put in half the work for no reason
autumn glen
so this is cool right? i'll test and see if it shows up in command suggestinos, given i don't have the permission
vestal jasper
looks corect
autumn glen
okay, lemme test
spare venture
Most plugins just don’t do their commands properly and it really bothers me
So many people asking what /papi does
At least /daddy is gone lol
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it's so easy to fix too lol
untold copper
what was /daddy 👀
vestal jasper
I've seen some authors make the argument that it's free advertising to allow users to run the base command
autumn glen
yep it's no longer showing up
vestal jasper
however most players don't run servers, since they're... playing on a server lol
untold copper
I've seen some authors make the argument that it's free advertising to allow use...
well they're not wrong i think
autumn glen
i never continued with the work because last time i tried smth like this plugin went corrupt 
minor badge
that's fair enough imo
what's not is putting a permission on that command but not hide it for those without it
magic river
Base command that just gives some info about the plugin would be one thing but this is every command
vestal jasper
yeah
magic river
Also /help is a thing
autumn glen
multiverse-core is like this right
spare venture
Meh I don’t like that /papi is given
vestal jasper
I don't either
autumn glen
cuz i mean....
spare venture
Maybe if it were /placeholderapi
untold copper
Josh does blue hair take a lot of maintenance?
potent fossil
lol even mv
vestal jasper
yes but I don't do it
magic river
Yes even some of the "best" plugins fail at this simple task
potent fossil
@vestal jasper is sexy
spare venture
That’s why I said most plugins don’t do it right
autumn glen
and even after that without the multiverse-core: at beginnin
untold copper
yes but I don't do it
pog
vestal jasper
I got mine professionally done, shit sticks to my hair so well it doesn't bleach out easily.
magic river
They're all garbage 😛
vestal jasper
that being said you're supposed to wash it with cold water, and optionally use sealant conditioner
limber knotBOT
every bukkit plugin is garbage 👀
magic river
If they're not sweating the small stuff what else are they slacking on?
autumn glen
mm even papi
vestal jasper
but conditioner strips all oils from my hair and leaves it too soft / textureless so I just go with shampoo and warm water
autumn glen
so if i set namespaced commands to false i don't need to worry about things like placeholderapi:placeholderapi right
spare venture
Careful amaranth, sometimes you’ll get attacked here if you criticize public plugins
magic river
That's okay, those people probably know me
And have heard me rant about the garbage they're doing before
limber knotBOT
lol what would people even do to amaranth
spare venture
Be mean to you 
magic river
Former CraftBukkit dev 😛
magic river
I tried to avoid doing anything with the API although I ended up being the one merging things most of the time
Just because no one else would do it 😛
limber knotBOT
lol
limber knotBOT
is that what happens when everyone burns out?
autumn glen
welp, time to spend hours redoing plugin.yml files
magic river
One day I'd just start spamming our group chats with links to PRs and if no one could explain why I shouldn't merge it I merged it
untold copper
wait
spare venture
Or just don’t worry about it
vestal jasper
wait no it's not bukkit/bungee in one it just has an extremely strange setup
vestal jasper
ah it is lol
spare venture
Very
autumn glen
okay maybe not for some, but I don't want people to see the fact that we use placeholderapi
spare venture
People shouldn’t have tab completions for commands they don’t have permission
vestal jasper
doesn't everyone use papi?
autumn glen
by default in deop they can see those cmds
spare venture
It’s not hiding it, it’s just they have no business seeing commands they can’t use anyway
autumn glen
^
untold copper
I see
autumn glen
atleast i can disable command suggestions on bedrock ( i'm doin crossplay )
magic river
We should have made commands require permissions
vestal jasper
permissions that default to true and commands without permissions
magic river
But then you have to explain the more advanced concept of default available permissions to someone before they can finish their hello world plugin
vestal jasper
kinda irritating when a plugin says on my behalf what players can do
magic river
Eh, we didn't want to require permission plugins
vestal jasper
right
spare venture
Ah yeah plugins that default true are the absolute worst. I always configure permissions before slapping it on the server but still annoying
vestal jasper
but plugins made today still do it
and again most everyone uses some non-bukkit permission handler
golden gust
The idea if default perms is that people should be able to run the plugin without a perm plugin with "reasonable" expectations
magic river
Which is also why op acts like * (except for negative permissions)
autumn glen
can't wait to learn how to make minecraft plugins too, yea
just don't know where to start
magic river
Negative permissions probably shouldn't be a thing
untold copper
I'd have to learn java tho
spare venture
I mean despite not wanting a permissions plugin to be a req it’s basically a req and people will shit on you if you don’t have one
zealous wedge
:(
untold copper
aaaaaa im so bad at programming lol
zealous wedge
negative permissions are quite useful
untold copper
spare venture
Yes very useful IMO
magic river
I only ever saw them used by mbax to troll PermissionSex users
zealous wedge
thought tbh i try to forget the details of bukkit's permissions system whenever i'm not actively working with it
grand pewter
well permissions are also literally built in to bukkit, part of the ecosystem
spare venture
Makes it possible to override permissions through weights too
zealous wedge
PermissionSex day is thursday smh
spare venture
And DEAD
untold copper
yes
grand pewter
pex 2 though
untold copper
that too
zealous wedge
pex 2 is my favourite myth
spare venture
pex 2 could cure cancer
untold copper
Luckperms is the best and the easiest tbh
grand pewter
just slap the pex logo onto lp and call it a day
zealous wedge
like i did with GM?
magic river
PEX was the only thing people used the last time I worked on any of this stuff
golden gust
LP is backwards at times
grand pewter
you mean luckperms?
golden gust
Like, I love LP and there is nothing else that competes with it
spare venture
Luckperms is prettt good
golden gust
but boy is it OTT at times
then again, I did get luck to fix an issue which has been plaguing me for a good year or two or something
magic river
When the snap fork happens can you make Bukkit permissions be tree based?
Then people can go back to using simple permission plugins
autumn glen
wait so if i can add permissions to plugin commands, what about bukkit ones? where do i get those done?
zealous wedge
the problem permissions plugins face is that people want to have permissions on proxies
those commands probably default to true
untold copper
can you plz elaborate?
golden gust
bukkit commands already HAVE perms
zealous wedge
i don't see why you'd want to disable them tho
magic river
Bukkit commands also have permissions, iirc it's bukkit.commandname
autumn glen
okay
zealous wedge
i'm still kinda surprised the bukkit wiki still exists
but then bukkit forums still exist too i guess
grand pewter
ya idk it kind of is still there
magic river
can you plz elaborate?
Tree based means giving someone foo permission also gives them foo.bar
zealous wedge
that must have been an iron-clad contract with curse lol
untold copper
oh speaking of permissions
zealous wedge
for them to continue maintaining a website for a dead platform
untold copper
dafuq is permissions.yml
magic river
A place for you to define helper permissions
autumn glen
i was thinking instead of editing plugin.yml of each plugin i could do something in permissions.yml for them?
magic river
You can group a bunch of permissions together under one permission then use your permission plugin to grant that permission
grand pewter
first time i heard of that
magic river
I think it was mostly ignored in favor of doing that grouping in the permission plugin (and also using that group in chat and such)
zealous wedge
yeah -- bukkit's child permission system is kinda neat, but in practice its behavior is super difficult to understand
magic river
Permission plugins were supposed to be simple things that just fed the Bukkit system their data
zealous wedge
the problem was bukkit's state tracking was a pain to work with
magic river
Bukkit didn't want to be responsible for all the ways people would want to save their permissions (various disk formats, DBs, etc) so left that to plugins
zealous wedge
and you had to do weird workarounds to avoid recalculations on every single permission addition
magic river
I don't remember the "workaround" for that being that bad
It was kind of like wrapping DB operations in a transaction
zealous wedge
it was moderately annoying -- you had to create a fake permision
it was just non-obvious
untold copper
A place for you to define helper permissions
can you uh please tell in a bit small brain terms
golden gust
read the docs
magic river
I don't think you needed a fake permission either
untold copper
read the docs
I tried using permissions dot yml, but i didn't understand the docs at all soo
¯_(ツ)_/¯
golden gust
it's a system for defining perms
that's all it does
you can then use those perms to make it easier to control access to that stuff
autumn glen
ok so well, bukkit.command.whatever permissions is on by default for everybody, but how would i remove those permissions? just use a permissions plugin?
golden gust
perm plugins basically use sub groups as an equiv
untold copper
ooh ok
golden gust
Like you disable literally any other permission
nobody gives a shit about your plugins, however
untold copper
ok so well, bukkit.command.whatever permissions is on by default for everybody, ...
ngative perms
i think™️
golden gust
outside of the people who use plugins to see what stuff you're using as for if they wanna play, but, really, I don't see a strong argument for disabling access to those commands outside of shitty plugins
autumn glen
nobody gives a shit about your plugins, however
yeah i just don't want this disgusting line of suggestions for players to see 😂
magic river
it was moderately annoying -- you had to create a fake permision
You just had to make a new PermissionAttachment, build up your permissions there, then set that on a player
zealous wedge
could you make an attachment on its own? interesting
ah well, with sponge i was kinda forced to keep everything in the control of the permissions plugin because most of the logic has shifted to be shared cross-platform
magic river
I dunno, it's been a while 😛
But yeah, I think you could either build a Permissilble with a dummy parent permission or get a new PermissionAttachment and fill that in
autumn glen
so negative permissions would be adding the permission -bukkit.command.version or?
autumn glen
imma check that then
worn pasture
luckperms uses true/false values
untold copper
yes
autumn glen
Well, I just realised instead of going through each plugin.yml I can just make use of negative permissions and add them to the players
vestal jasper
huh?
if the command has no permission attached, negating permissions does nothing
because that permission is still not associated with the command
autumn glen
Yeah well the commands do have permissions, just not defined in plugin.yml it's defined somewhere else
So players can see it but not use it
autumn glen
Yeah so adding negative permissions would be the same effect as puting the permissions in plugin.yml
So I'll do that.
vestal jasper
I don't see how that's the case
zealous wedge
they may check those permissions, but bukkit doesn't know that
vestal jasper
Which means what
What the plugin does within execution of the command is completely separate to what bukkit does with completions and allowance of execution in the first place
autumn glen
All I'm saying is I don't need to go into each plugin.yml and make permissions for bukkit to recognise, when I can add negative permissions, right?
vestal jasper
no
autumn glen
Okay, makes my job a whole lot easier
vestal jasper
because that still doesn't associate the permission with the command in the bukkit api
autumn glen
Oh
vestal jasper
which is what the plugin.yml is (supposed to be) doing here for us
the plugin will check if the player has permission, but that's after bukkit has decided the player can run the command and added it to their command list
autumn glen
Right, so doing negative permissions won't change what bukkit registered the command as
vestal jasper
correct
autumn glen
ashen cliff
<@!219443401974611970> you better be on bro.
Bro.
zealous wedge
i suppose you could yell at the plugin devs in question too
autumn glen
I surely will
zealous wedge
they can do this through the plugin.yml, or if they don't they can do it through an event
a whole wealth of choices
visual egret
PR’ing to plugin.yml isn’t too hard
zealous wedge
git is a massive pain to learn
autumn glen
Yes, I just tried it myself earlier
visual egret
GitHub desktop zml
zealous wedge
i blame linus torvalds
visual egret
I don’t even know how to use git
autumn glen
I mean not pr, but I extracted jar file, changed plugin.yml and then renamed it all to jar
visual egret
How on earth do SIM card IP addresses work
golden gust
wat
SIM cards don't have IP addresses, they're just a chip with a chunk of data, IPs work as normal, basically, afaik
mobile networks however use CGNAT
granite axle
hello, i got shat on by md so im over here now
visual egret
hi Lucy
visual egret
own clothes day in school today pog
granite axle
am i really that intolerable
vestal jasper
@static badge
static badge
doormat
untold copper
own clothes day in school today pog
pog
coarse lily
@cedar spade did you shit on this poor person?
golden gust
void void
Do you all have any hosting recommendations?
visual egret
Depends what you want to host
void void
a minecraft server
visual egret
what exactly though
void void
smp
coarse lily
cat am I allowed to shamelessly plug another Discord in response to this question?
olive marlin
Single server? Dedicated or shared hosting?
twin lagoon
dedicatedmc, extravm, bloomhost
visual egret
pebble is fine for a budget host I guess
void void
Single server? Dedicated or shared hosting?
erm just a server to play with with friends
coarse lily
Oh hi Michael
twin lagoon
@olive marlin 
coarse lily
I’d like to take a sick month off.
olive marlin
I'm getting tired of my job and have like 30 or 40 paid days off I can take, so will probably do that :)
I'll probably end up taking 3 months off, half of it paid. And just taking care of my backlog of things, resting a bit and learning some more Rust/coding. Then start searching for a new job, in a new country.
minor badge
we're still struggling to fill that position, bloodstone
cerulean fractal
Does anyone know how i can make that GriefPrevention Plugin always shows the corners of the claim without removing the marker blocks after a few minutes ? The claim still exists but the markers disappear. Unfortunately i dont get any support in their discord.
limber knotBOT
Not sure paper is the right place to ask it
autumn glen
Well, if you use a stick to check if a block is claimed, if you're standing in the claim itself, the markers re-appear
potent fossil
"don't get any support in their discord" -- how long did you wait
cerulean fractal
Well, if you use a stick to check if a block is claimed, if you're standing in t...
Ah i didnt know that
autumn glen
That's not permanent btw it's just to show the marked area again
olive marlin
Why a new country?
I'm tired of my country, the mess politicians make here etc.
Something in me really wants to move, without a solid explanation.
autumn glen
For like a 10 seconds ig
coarse lily
I'm tired of my country, the mess politicians make here etc.
Something in me rea...
Fair enough
cerulean fractal
Can i make it permanent somehow ?
limber knotBOT
Well at least for an hour
minor badge
Does it involve moving to Sweden?
yes, you need to be in Sweden to work for them
olive marlin
we're still struggling to fill that position, bloodstone <:peepoSmile:4058252387...
I'm too dead to go back to applying for jobs. I want to take some time off and rest before I go back to doing it.
minor badge
you could alternatively move to Mariehamn, Åland Islands, or to Helsinki, Finland
take your time prof 
coarse lily
I've heard Helsinki is nice.
magic river
So the new Binding of Isaac DLC is almost entirely the Antibirth mod
cerulean fractal
"don't get any support in their discord" -- how long did you wait
2 hours thats a lot ^^
autumn glen
A lot would be defined as 1 week 😂
magic river
I don't even think it's all of Antibirth
Seems like they just cherrypicked the parts of Antibirth they liked and put them in a new DLC
potent fossil
Standard wait time can be 1 day to 2 weeks, you aren't owed anything faster than that for a free plugin lol.
granite axle
whats with the talking bots
twin lagoon
irc bridge
granite axle
ahh right
cerulean fractal
that's...not a long time at all
I mean you are not wrong but im not used to wait so long. I mostly use plugins with high qualitys support with detailed answers within minutes xD Even with a lot of free plugins but its completely fine if they dont answer so fast. I will just ask in others discords for minecraft thrn 😄
dusk marten
nah, no bots here
potent fossil
lol, ok
dusk marten
Just your imagination
coarse lily
imagine wanting to live in sweden
What's wrong with Sweden?
coarse lily
Oh I see.
autumn glen
coarse lily
Well argued!
golden gust
"Sweden, the home of cheap, crappy flatpack furniture"
minor badge
@twin lagoon WTF
minor badge
dis u ?
coarse lily
I'm already in Discord with proxi, what's a country gonna change?
twin lagoon
coarse lily
I can't move to Sweden, though.
I probably can't move anywhere. I have too much stuff to do.
Like eat these snacks.
golden gust
Well, yea, but, like
dusk marten
I mean you are not wrong but im not used to wait so long. I mostly use plugins w...
Also, I recommend using Github discussion for GP support, they are faster there
golden gust
imagine proxy * 10,230,000
cerulean fractal
Also, I recommend using Github discussion for GP support, they are faster there
Good idea
olive marlin
I probably can't move anywhere. I have too much stuff to do.
That's why I want to take time off - clean backlog of stuff to do, study some things, apply to new jobs without pressure...
potent fossil
as long as you're financially ok then you know what's best! take care of yourself 
olive marlin
I'm lucky enough to have landed a decent job and in the last 2.5 years I have saved enough to live a few years comfortably without a job.
Of course would prefer to spend this on buying an apartment or something.
olive marlin
But since I don't even know where I want to live...
magic river
I thought I was going to do that once too
I ended up not getting anything done and just realizing how depressed I was instead
I guess you guys got a few CraftBukkit updates out of it though
potent fossil
Well, travel around when the restrictions lift a bit. Idk how much ya got but if you wanna stretch it do some fare hacking (cheap one way flights out the ass is a great way)
golden gust
Thx Amar ❤️
potent fossil
i can get to the philippines for like 500 bucks, 2 or 3 flights 
granted, it is NOT comfortable
but it'll get me there
olive marlin
Thanks to living in Europe, I did fly for less than 50$ a few times.
potent fossil
I don't have that luxury 
olive marlin
I'm not big into traveling though.
I like to be places, I don't like going to places, if that makes sense.
potent fossil
although flights within asia are quite spectacularly priced (not quite that low tho)
yea, same
i hate the actual process of travelling there
that's why i bring sleeping pills
i told you guys about the angry flight attendant who refused to let me not accept food on my flight right? noodles or chicken!!!!!!!! she was shouting at me i was very shook
olive marlin
I have trouble sleeping in transport, even with sleeping pills.
potent fossil
rip
olive marlin
I stayed awake through all the flights to USA.
At least I got to watch a few movies I never had time to watch before.
potent fossil
i mean, real sleeping pills tho? i dont mean over the counter. i actually went to my doctor and asked for a small prescription so i can get through some long haul flights and she was very accommodating
olive marlin
Ah, no. Just melatonin and crap you can get.
potent fossil
Ah
wraith oracle
Imagine being able to take flights
potent fossil
iirc she gave me a 4 pill prescription, don't remember the drug name
wraith oracle
- cries in third world economy *
olive marlin
I feel like not sleeping also helped me with jet lag - was so tired I fell asleep soon after walking into the house.
wraith oracle
I have always wanted to move out of Argentina
potent fossil
i hope one day that you will be able to 🙏
wraith oracle
start fresh on whatever country I could make the best of myself
then I started thinking of the implications and things I take for granted
i.e.: free health care and free education
potent fossil
well, some other countries have that. definitely not murica though 
wraith oracle
but it is mostly me sticking to my comfort zone, I could totally get somewhere else if I really wanted to
olive marlin
Murica is nice to visit, but I never want to live there. It's... Ehh.
potent fossil
indeed it is
olive marlin
but it is mostly me sticking to my comfort zone, I could totally get somewhere e...
Yeah, having to learn yet another language, country law, banking system, taxes,....
wraith oracle
I do consider it a necessity when I start looking into having a family though
potent fossil
you'll probably want to do it before you start looking into that tbh
vestal jasper
"noodles or chicken" get both and mix them. Ez.
wraith oracle
my country is already doomed, imagine having kids in the next Venezuela
potent fossil
no they were little premade trays of noodles or chicken along with standard sides lmao
wraith oracle
you'll probably want to do it before you start looking into that tbh
true, but that also means I got to move to start looking into it
potent fossil
yes that's what i was saying
if it's that bad to raise a family, why even begin thinking about doing so before moving to a better place for it
priorities
waxen panther
@vestal jasper 
vestal jasper
@waxen panther flushed
twin lagoon
now this
this is a good discord update
seems like it finally rolled out, saw jroy with it quite a few times
it embeds certain uploaded text files
ashen cliff
Very cool.
waxen panther
14nm is pogchamp 😁
tepid turtle
14+++++++++++nm
ashen cliff
Another fire bro.
magic river
No big deal, just twice the power usage of something as fast or faster than it
ashen cliff
It's fine.
magic river
AMD at their worst against NVIDIA wasn't that bad
ashen cliff
Anyway. I just woke up to post this:
https://pastebin.com/Ri0SxRBS
and go back to sleep.
Tho #paper-help would be a better place.
waxen panther
authme moment ?
twin lagoon
[09:41:27] [Server thread/INFO]: Done (54.123s)! For help, type "help"
[09:41:27] [Server thread/INFO]: Stopping server
someone please implement stopping server reasons
waxen panther
[09:41:24] [Server thread/WARN]: [AuthMe] Aborting initialization of AuthMe: [InjectorReflectionException]: Could not invoke constructor of class 'class fr.xephi.authme.command.CommandHandler'
[09:41:24] [Server thread/WARN]: [AuthMe] THE SERVER IS GOING TO SHUT DOWN AS DEFINED IN THE CONFIGURATION!
this server 😠 is going to shut down 😠 as defined
twin lagoon
yeah but not every plugin prints something saying that it'll shutdown
potent fossil
inb4 authors just start passing empty string to shutdown
magic river
If I was doing it from scratch I probably wouldn't even allow plugins to shutdown the server
Pretty sure that's only a thing because they wanted to re-implement the vanilla commands in Bukkit
dusk marten
Invokes stop as Console
magic river
Probably wouldn't let you invoke commands as anyone either 😛
magic river
You could just NMS it but then at least I don't have to care
waxen panther
110C is fine bro have faith 😁
dusk marten
Then use Java's Robot facillity
twin lagoon
oh and a ryzen 5 5600X still beats it
ok that's not true actually only in some tests but still, ryzen 5000 >
literally gets beaten by a ryzen 5000 processor in every test
waxen panther
never seen my 3950x go about 45c
twin lagoon
@waxen panther 
ashen cliff
authme moment ?
Yes.
My internet do be looking kinda fast tho.
https://posili.me/i/2021-03-31_10-46-46.png
dusk marten
I think i've seen this one already in the onion
limber knotBOT
Reminder for electronicboy: world backup day
ashen cliff
Ah yes. It's April first somewhere.
livid plume
anyone any tips for advertising servers? both free and paid
olive marlin
@twin lagoon did you mod your MX Master? I'm tempted to make a hole in it to store the dongle.
olive marlin
Where else am I supposed to have the dongle?
twin lagoon
uh use bluetooth
olive marlin
Uh, I do. For PC 1 and 2.
And for 3 I use dongle, cause it's easier when I need to use it on my non-main pc.
ashen cliff
Things I didn't know till today:
TeamViewer will wake up over lan.
untold copper
you have 3 pcs?
olive marlin
you have 3 pcs?
I have my work laptop, my PC, my travel laptop, my old gaming laptop that I don't have time to sell... And sometimes just need to connect with mouse to someone else's laptop/my phone...
untold copper
...
warm anchor
Snoopa it’s fairly common
I also has 3 pc and 2 laptop and 2 more old one I just kept in basement 
twin lagoon
if you have a job, especially in the IT branch, you probably have multiple computers
or just, if you go to school
minor badge
Two laptops and a desktop here ^^
warm anchor
Heck even the kid nowadays gets a chrome book from high school
Good morning @minor badge @twin lagoon
minor badge
twin lagoon
quasi valley
:weebs:
undone crest
I have a question,
In CoreProtect, is there a way I can see the logs of players who accessed a specific chest?
For example, if I would want to know who stole items inside another player's chest what is the appropriate command?
twin lagoon
weebs
minor badge
/co i and right click the chest
wild ravine
Hi!
golden gust
desktop and a laptop, and when I eventually replace the laptop, the thing will likely just be relegated to collect dust or maybe I'll shove some chrome OS variant on it
woven otter
@minor badge bully ?
minor badge
@woven otter bullied ?
quasi valley
true
woven otter
yes you bully me
minor badge
ok ?
warm anchor
I have a question,
In **CoreProtect**, is there a way I can see the logs of pl...
Yes that’s the basic command. //co inspect and click chest
woven otter
wdym ok. it's not ok
golden gust
warm anchor
no preview link from zzzcat
golden gust
that would ruin it
warm anchor
Oh god
golden gust
and her weapon is the violin
minor badge
wdym ok. it's not ok
woven otter
nice. im keeping this for later