general

[void void]

They were like

[twin lagoon]

yeah most of them are just incompetent idiots whining about things that could've easily been prevented or something

[void void]

"Uhm I got charged because I turned off my server but thought that that wouldn't cost me anything"

[twin lagoon]

[void void]

Hetzner was like "But we still allocate all the resources to it?"

[golden gust]

I mean, it's a device you purchased, like, if you want to be able to turn it off and not use it, use cloud

but, then you're generally still paying for cold storage and an IP allocation

[void void]

Yep

[golden gust]

(and a premium to be able to turn it off without being charged for that \o/)

But, yea, reviews in this industry are generally worthless

[void void]

Also, is there any performance difference when it comes down to Windows vs Ubuntu? I personally prefer using Ubuntu as in my experience it uses a lot less resources and I'm okay with working from the console,

[golden gust]

Like, worth skimming for any "the support is literally trash because X", where X is useful...

[void void]

but of course using Windows might make things a bit more convenient.

[golden gust]

linux in general is much ligher and less of a clusterfuck vs windows

[void void]

Ah perfect

I'm also assuming that I shouldn't allocate too much RAM to the Minecraft server, any recommendations?

[olive marlin]

The only issue with Hetzner I had was shitty connection from NA to its network - but you can solve it by putting tcpshield in front of it.

.flags

[limber knot]

Optimized & Recommended JVM Startup Flags: https://mcflags.emc.gs

[golden gust]

leave a couple of gig to the OS for itself and caching, and remember java has its own memory usage

[void void]

Of course, but the server comes with 64GB of RAM

[worn ember]

Very cool

[void void]

I read somewhere and again at ^ to not throw all of your RAM at it, especially as it might not be useful or even bad to allocate too much to it

[minor badge]

@worn ember it's great until it's not; if you use larger internal networks, you'll notice it when hetzner manages to take it down out of the blue

[golden gust]

generally allocating over like 10G of ram to a single instance is pointless

[void void]

👍

[lime swan]

Hey, I have question which version of paper is the best or is just stable for minecraft server I mean v1.16.x?

[worn ember]

5

[lime swan]

1.16.5?

[viral hornet]

@lime swan latest 1.16.5 is your boi

[lime swan]

@viral hornet thanks

[worn ember]

Usually always latest

[viral hornet]

1.16.5 fixed a crashing exploit, so best stick with it 😄

[golden gust]

I mean, we fixed that in .4, but, really, use supported software

[lime swan]

ok, what is more, I want to use via version to enter players from 1.16 - 1.16.5. Is it possible?

[ashen cliff]

Should have changed NMS between 4 and 5.

[golden gust]

.4 and .5 are proto compatible

[potent fossil]

its almost like they have a graphic to answer this exact question and nobody ever ever reads it https://proxy.spigotmc.org/d0ff9291bddfa479aa73c9c5e58bc9278bb7fe02?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F0u20Y2u.png

[ashen cliff]

Send the pink one!

https://posili.me/i/2021-02-03_22-08-28.png

There we go.

[lime swan]

I read it

[potent fossil]

woo

[golden gust]

wtf is wrong with you people

[potent fossil]

did you read it? did you really? bc if you did you would not have the question you asked

[viral hornet]

what is that colour why

krusic y

[ashen cliff]

Because I could.

So I did.

[potent fossil]

https://jo0001.github.io/ViaSetup/?lang=en

that's helpful for noobs i guess

also linked on plugin page who woulda thunk that

[lime swan]

I did, but I didn't know that is answer to my question 😩 nvm

[vernal moth]

is that just a site that reads the table?

[potent fossil]

probably

[golden gust]

You just need viaversion, as per the pretty picture

[potent fossil]

indeed

[lime swan]

ye

[ashen cliff]

And ViaBackwards.

[lime swan]

No I don't need

ViaBackwards

bcs if I want to work on 16.x only

I can have ViaVersion only

[ashen cliff]

Good luck with that.

[potent fossil]

i think that site is wrong

[ashen cliff]

Not that I would know.

[potent fossil]

is it?

hmm ok

[golden gust]

oh, via only goes forwards

[potent fossil]

the pic implies only VV is needed

[golden gust]

so, yea, oof

[potent fossil]

ooh

[golden gust]

gg

[potent fossil]

viaversion has a block-protocols array in config

get viaversion + viabackwards and only allow 1.16.x protos

[worn ember]

Via via via via via via

[potent fossil]

mfw krusic's website shows up to build the blocked protos array

[worn ember]

What?

[ashen cliff]

As it should.

[potent fossil]

https://via.krusic22.com

[worn ember]

Oh

[potent fossil]

amazing picture

[ashen cliff]

Myles made it.

[worn ember]

I thought protos was some secret military application

[vernal moth]

oh god

php

[worn ember]

At least PHP makes sense

[ashen cliff]

Even works on an old Xbox. No JS required.

[vernal moth]

yeeeeeeeeeah

idk about that, lol

[potent fossil]

"PHP makes sense"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtQBEZbWsAIvo15.jpg

[ashen cliff]

Daily reminder that all frameworks suck.

[vernal moth]

vue tho ❤️

[worn ember]

No.

[ashen cliff]

To the 🗑️ dimension it goes!

[merry talon]

uh

windows is drunk

[olive garden]

a single character becomes 3 :stonks:

[wild escarp]

isnt it always?

[ashen cliff]

At one company we were forced to disable Hibernate, because on Windows 7 Home edition is was slightly misspelled and the company hated it that much.

"MIrovanje"

[potent fossil]

idk what it means but ok!

[warm anchor]

</google:816176849147002923> term: Mlrovanje

[upbeat falcon]

mirovanje - Translation from Slovenian into English | PONS

https://en.pons.com/translate/slovenian-english/mirovanje

Look up the Slovenian to English translation of mirovanje in the PONS online dictionary. Includes free vocabulary trainer, verb tables and pronunciation function.

Requested by EterNity#0001 - result 1 of 10

[worn ember]

windows 7 also loved to break stuff in hibernate

or failed to come out of it

[ashen cliff]

Standard.

[worn ember]

windows also disables our tuners if they're idle for a long time breaking our entire system lul

[untold copper]

you mean you don't keep your pc on 24/7/365?

[worn ember]

doesn re-enable them properly

i put mine in sleepmode when i go sleep

so far its been waking up for 2 months

we'll see how long that lasts

[untold copper]

I just keep it on, like fully on, all the time

[worn ember]

why...

[untold copper]

why not

[worn ember]

sounds like a waste of resources and money

[warm anchor]

Snoop don’t pay electric bill that’s why

[worn ember]

yeah clearly

[potent fossil]

LUL, accurate

[untold copper]

ain't that right

[worn ember]

electricity is crazy expensive here

[untold copper]

ok bye

[worn ember]

28cents per kilowatt

in the us its like 13.20cents

[warm anchor]

Cheaper in certain places even

[worn ember]

https://www.chooseenergy.com/electricity-rates-by-state/ yeah more expensive too apparently tho

[warm anchor]

As low as 8 cent

[left swift]

No u

[worn ember]

wtf

go buy some cheap mana

[left swift]

U in stock?

[golden gust]

gfdi

We pay 0.21 usd per kwh

[left swift]

Make ur own power

[worn ember]

everything in belgium is so fucking expensive

[potent fossil]

california 0.2024 usd/kwh

[left swift]

Only .12/kwh here

[merry talon]

wtf, I pay the equivalent of 0.066 USD

[worn ember]

wow ok mr i have cheap electricity

[left swift]

Need to use more fOsSIL fUeLs

[merry talon]

yeah so I did the math and I maybe use $25 worth per billing cycle at the absolute maximum

and my roommates still want me to foot half of the $200 hydro bill

[warm anchor]

Don’t shower for a month

Show your roommate that you don’t use water

[merry talon]

we don't pay for water

hydro = power

[left swift]

Dont be cheap

Unless theres more than 2 of u

[merry talon]

there's 3 and one is psychotic, physically abusive and pays nothing

but that's a story for another time

[warm anchor]

Damn

[left swift]

[warm anchor]

Cant wait for sweepy story times

[olive marlin]

. 895

Ffs

.895

[limber knot]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/895#issuecomment-372175216

[left swift]

Tell them to git gud

[left swift]

No one talking better stan pokimane

[golden gust]

they did

spawn is loaded async, so those counters are not generally accurate iirc

[twin lagoon]

that could be anything

[golden gust]

that screams networking, not "the chunks didn't load"

you can't even exist in an unloaded chunk

[spare venture]

render distance might be too high for your bandwidth/pc

[golden gust]

logs?

timings report, potentially

[spare venture]

any time that has ever happened to me it has been ping/bandwidth related

[upbeat falcon]

latest.log

https://paste.gg/Pencil/5c1dccb657b843a1a43cf151da610275

Requested by Alezhshede#0001 · Mar 13, 2021, 2:55 PM

[golden gust]

Timed out means that the server didn't recieve anything from the client in so long

[vernal moth]

web design is my passion https://i.imgur.com/UVIykt0.png

[cunning raft]

[golden gust]

https://tenor.com/bqHnw.gif

[void void]

Hi

[left swift]

What a pal

[void void]

Wyd

:shipit:

[left swift]

Dragon

[void void]

Skyrim?

[left swift]

Dragon deez nuts

[void void]

You gay?

[left swift]

Rude

[void void]

No I forgot the question mark

Huge difference with and without

[left swift]

Still rude

[cunning raft]

@void void how old are you

[void void]

Turning 15 soon at the start of April

What about you

[left swift]

[cunning raft]

MODS

[void void]

Whattt

Chill bro

I wanna vibe

[limber knot]

You should all calm down

[warm anchor]

What’s this and why I need it in my life

[cunning raft]

tells the account age of discord accounts

https://pixelatomy.com/snow-stamp/

or anything id-based in discord

[cobalt surge]

It smells of cat in here..

runs away

[limber knot]

Can these age bans even act retrocatively?

[woven otter]

I agree cat smells

[ashen cliff]

Yes. Both Twitter and PayPal do it.

[cobalt surge]

Figured he was due for a pokin been awhile..

[left swift]

Due it

[warm anchor]

Oh so sheep is busted for breaking tos I see

[woven otter]

dum sheep

[warm anchor]

I can’t imagine being discord as 9 year old

Wtf

[woven otter]

what

[warm anchor]

Sheep are you for real

[limber knot]

neither can I honestly

[warm anchor]

Duck read up lol

[cunning raft]

COPPA works by that if the company is aware of any data of a minor on their platform they must delete it all

[warm anchor]

Someone claimed to be turning 14 and account is 6 year old

[cunning raft]

so yes it applies retroactively

[woven otter]

my bad i thought it's still 2020

[limber knot]

Welp, even joking can result in a ban, so if he's not serious, well bad for him

[warm anchor]

Yes if discord take the case they will likely ask for ID verification

If they don’t just straight up throwing towel at him

[cobalt surge]

So it is a possibility for them to have had the account that long..

[limber knot]

I think discord instantly needs to block the account

[minor badge]

Discord's legal team can handle their legal problems, we aren't part of that team. the lad can stay

[cunning raft]

it's like a 30 day ish window

[warm anchor]

Proxi

[limber knot]

Yes, 30-ish day windows until the data is deleted afaik

s/windows/window

Correction, <Geolykt> Yes, 30-ish day window until the data is deleted afaik

[minor badge]

helo eternity

[warm anchor]

Jroy yeeting kids

[spare venture]

Yeah isn’t it retroactive because they still had data stored from when the user was a minor

[warm anchor]

Alright guys let’s not scare sheep shitless

[cunning raft]

yeah the messages, DOB, and like even the account id itself could be considered "data"

and each piece of data knowingly kept for a minor like 40k or something

[void void]

Im not a minor

[cunning raft]

well up to 40k i should say

[void void]

You really that bored to report a kid cause you got nothing else to do

[left swift]

What a conversation sparked from this

[void void]

All I did was say what’s up

Lol

[cunning raft]

i didn't report anyone

[warm anchor]

@left swift here

[void void]

You started this whole convo

[cunning raft]

yes

[spare venture]

Well, just good luck whenever someone reports your account.

[void void]

Damn man

Just some losers here I thought this was gonna be chiller than spigot

Lol

[spare venture]

uh huh

[warm anchor]

Ugh no

[void void]

Not you party or eternity

[spare venture]

now I’m reporting you for calling me a loser

[left swift]

I heard yatopia is chill

[void void]

Literally just jroy

[spare venture]

oops

[cobalt surge]

Oh shit spigot is more chill than paper... Uh ohhhhhh

[spare venture]

yeah jroy loser

[warm anchor]

[left swift]

jroy

[true canyon]

You're not a very polite person. Try to develop more kindness! 🙂

[cobalt surge]

Lol mbaxter

[cunning raft]

[warm anchor]

Mbaxter with a smiley face. You know you done fucked up

[spare venture]

my first time going into paper help in a long time and someone is trying to put a forge mod on his paper server

[cunning raft]

lul

gotta keep that shit muted

[cobalt surge]

@spare venture that's just the "r" word..

[spare venture]

well sometimes it’s satisfying to just yell at people for being dum in that channel, you know, venting

[true canyon]

There was this beautiful, angry message from someone who didn't like how I ended messages (with which they disagreed) with :3 faces. How it showed how rude I was. It was so beautiful.

[void void]

My mistake

[cobalt surge]

Damnit my unpinged summons of cat didn't work

[left swift]

Try pinging

Cat cant get mad at you

[cobalt surge]

Nah. He will though

[left swift]

Only fake mad

[cobalt surge]

True

But if I ping him then some nobody gonna think it's ok to ping devs at their leisure

[warm anchor]

they ping anyway

[left swift]

They already think that

[cobalt surge]

Lol

[left swift]

If cat gets mad its eternitys idea

[cobalt surge]

He will eventually see this and be like "you smell chrysti"

[warm anchor]

Cat secretly read every message

[cobalt surge]

Oh I'm sure

O/ cat

Kashike does too

[cedar spade]

How dare you use such a passive-aggressive emote as :3!?!? ||/s||

[zealous wedge]

ikr :3

[olive garden]

@silk aspen the linked video in #paper-github is private

[silk aspen]

wow, I posted it unlisted... xD

Should be unlisted now @olive garden

forgot to save the draft xD

[golden gust]

I was gonna say that I'd have to convince billy to give you a whoopin

but, idk if your dynamic is such that you'd actually love it

and the thought of sentencing somebody to a good time is just...

[olive garden]

yep, it works now :)

[worn ember]

aint a day in paper if jroy doesnt rage at a rando in #general lmao

[vernal moth]

https://i.imgur.com/deecXwL.png

yarn crashes are something else

dont ask me why smth allocated a 300k string

[worn ember]

chunky boi

[spare venture]

How do you even report people? I remember seeing some people using some beta client like months ago but it hasn’t been implemented? Is it still just emailing their /dev/null inbox?

[twin lagoon]

reporting what?

[spare venture]

Reporting a user

[twin lagoon]

just send a ticket

[spare venture]

What a great system

[cunning raft]

I can report a message just not a user

Never been a user report

[spare venture]

Yeah

Ah

[twin lagoon]

yeah certain users can report messages from within the client

[spare venture]

Weird

Yeah I have that as well

[spare venture]

Just doesn’t make too much sense if the message is deleted

[twin lagoon]

it's different from deleting messages and reporting

[lament crystal]

I am builder (DM)

[twin lagoon]

no

[vernal moth]

do you have cookies?

or why would I dm you?

no?

guess thats a kick then, lets see if I can do that first try

[warm anchor]

@cunning raft

[vernal moth]

.kick @lament crystal advertising. wants me to DM them for builds, but he has no cookies

fuck

[lament crystal]

??

[vernal moth]

?kick @lament crystal advertising. wants me to DM them for builds, but he has no cookies

[leaden oxide]

! taisuke#5633 was kicked | advertising. wants me to DM them for builds, but he has no cookies

[vernal moth]

ha!

[warm anchor]

Lmao

[vernal moth]

next time they better bring cookies!

[red imp]

Hi any idea what to do?

antibot plugin doesn't help very much

[spare venture]

Looks like you’re handling

[magic river]

All you can really do is ride it out

[red imp]

yeah but server crashed, but it was may due to antivpn

[twin lagoon]

use an antivpn

o

[spare venture]

I have no idea what AntiBot is. But you can add AntiVPN, pay for some good sources and call it a day

[red imp]

michael didn't help 😄

[twin lagoon]

use a proper API service

[red imp]

and server crashed due to it probably

the weird is...

[vernal moth]

429 means you got ratelimited

[magic river]

I don't think that crashed the server

[red imp]

that they don't use VPN

they're idiots

I normally found these ips

[twin lagoon]

they're all proxies

lmao

[red imp]

yeah but from hostingp roviders maybe

on one IP is running another minecraft server

[twin lagoon]

they're all cheap SOCKS proxies

[red imp]

from our country, so it's weird

[spare venture]

The antivpn problem is because your source sucks, you prob aren’t even paying and hit their limit

[twin lagoon]

i've grabbed 4 ips from that screenshot and they're all from either brazil or indonesia

[red imp]

yeah that's possible, which sources do you suggest there?

[twin lagoon]

all detected by proxycheck.io

[red imp]

this one is from czech

[twin lagoon]

i wouldn't use anything besides proxycheck.io on anti-vpn

[red imp]

89.203.249.112

and it's mc server https://website.nettrexgames.eu/

[spare venture]

proxycheck, getipintel, vpnhunter are some of the good ones

proxycheck is usually the best

[red imp]

and there were more czech IPs

so some of them didn't use vpn probably

[twin lagoon]

can't have 100% detection on everything

but proxycheck.io will get the majority

[spare venture]

It blocks enough where they basically always run out of IPs fast

Can always try making some CAPTCHA system for first joins

Wtf is that emoji

[magic river]

Should be using a DNSBL, not something over HTTP with a ratelimit

[red imp]

Ï'm using these

so should I disable other ones?

I don't know which one has http limit

[spare venture]

Okay so the problem if you didn’t set up the plugin at all

It clearly says to set up the sources yourself and tells you how to do it

[red imp]

I setup it, I activated some api keys and filtered some sources

[spare venture]

You’re paying for all of those?

[magic river]

Yeah proxycheck you need to pay for

[red imp]

No I activated free programs somewhere 😅

[twin lagoon]

there's your issue

[golden gust]

'free'

[warm anchor]

[twin lagoon]

remove all but proxycheck

use proxycheck with a paid plan

[spare venture]

The free versions have like 100 logins per day lol

[golden gust]

free accounts are all generally rate limited kinda harshly

[spare venture]

After which they limit

Proxycheck is all you need tbh

[warm anchor]

You mean I have to pay to have good service?

[red imp]

and which do you think is enough?

And other sources that are free aren't so good?

[twin lagoon]

considering you're asking

3 eur plan

[left swift]

When were you when u pay service, I was like: no!

[red imp]

3 eur is ok yea?

[twin lagoon]

you don't need more than proxycheck 99% of the time

[magic river]

How many users do you get in a day?

[spare venture]

Do you have more than 10k login attempts per day?

[red imp]

today yes due to this 😅

[magic river]

More than 10k unique attempts, there is a cache

[warm anchor]

Inb4 offline server

[spare venture]

Yeah

[warm anchor]

[red imp]

look at the number blocked

[spare venture]

Just get the $3 one

[red imp]

Ok, I can pay 3$ every month

[spare venture]

Honestly I don’t trust that antibot plugins numbers to be accurate lol

There’s no way someone has 20k+ IPs

[red imp]

and do you think that anti bots plugin don't worth to use?

[twin lagoon]

anti bots are garbage

[left swift]

No whey

[twin lagoon]

the only anti bot plugin you need is an anti vpn solution

[spare venture]

Proxycheck is fine because it stops proxies and VPNs mostly

[twin lagoon]

that + tcpshield and i've never had a bot attack since

[magic river]

What's wrong with a DNSBL?

[red imp]

i've used https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/⭐-epicguard-protect-your-server-from-bots-more-⭐.72369/

[warm anchor]

10k daily login. Big network

[red imp]

I had to disable tcpshield

due to geyser

[twin lagoon]

tcpshield supports geyser

[red imp]

yeah but on paid program :/

[twin lagoon]

false positives 24/7

[red imp]

and it's a quite expensive

[left swift]

Maybe at 15k can do 5$ month

[twin lagoon]

or just not enough

would rather pay $3/mo for proxycheck

[warm anchor]

Lol

[magic river]

What you should be doing is putting in iptables rules that you clear in X hours

Eventually the server is getting 0 load from bots, the kernel is dropping the packets right away

They stop getting connected then kicked, the server just looks down

[twin lagoon]

meh, a bit overkill

anti-vpn is good enough most of the time

combined with tcpshield which is something a lot of networks use nowadays, stops pretty much all attacks from reaching your server

[left swift]

And now for today's sponsor

Raid shadow legends

[ashen cliff]

Nah Michael, you need a good antibot, to log all the proxy IPs, so you can use them later.

[warm anchor]

Today's video is sponsored by Raid Shadow Legends, one of the biggest mobile role-playing games of 2019 and it's totally free! Currently almost 10 million users have joined Raid over the last six months, and it's one of the most impressive games in its class with detailed models, environments and smooth 60 frames per second animations!

[magic river]

What do they mean by "Badlion support"?

[twin lagoon]

badlion anticheat likely sends extra data or something

it's not really relevant to anyone as i don't know any server using BAC

https://store.badlion.net/category/bac/

[magic river]

Why would tcpshield care?

[left swift]

store

[twin lagoon]

someone probably requested it

kek

[magic river]

Does using the badlion client let you through their protection no matter what or something?

If so hello my new layer 7 entry point

[twin lagoon]

it has 0 effect if your server doesn't use BAC

and is not turned on by default

[wraith trail]

I'd assume it'd only forward along the extra data

[twin lagoon]

yeah

[magic river]

tcpshield had better be forwarding along all the data

[twin lagoon]

idk what BAC does but i would assume something like that

[wraith trail]

and they don't forward all the data

that's kinda their whole thing

[magic river]

haha, all the data from non-bots

So the only thing "Badlion support" could be doing is marking my connection as not a bot because I pretend to have that client

[wraith trail]

I mean extra data from mods and stuff

say you run a forge server (not sure if it actually does, but assuming)

it wouldn't understand said data, and would throw it out

[magic river]

So you're saying they run a minecraft proxy, not a TCP proxy

[ashen cliff]

It's probably there so people stop asking about it. Also marketing.

[wraith trail]

hence badlion support means it understands the data sent by the badlion client

[wraith trail]

correct

[twin lagoon]

likely both

[magic river]

So they're shit

[twin lagoon]

they have provided me a proxy before for rust

and for websites

can't complain tbh their service does the job for a bargain price

[ashen cliff]

Well. It's just a proxy relaying mostly on OVH to do the hard work.

[magic river]

In the future we have considered this, but at this time we are only able to protect Minecraft servers. If you need web protection we recommend using Cloudflare as a free alternative.

Yeah, I was wondering what this offers over OVH

[golden gust]

app specific catering

[twin lagoon]

ease of use & l7 protection specifically for mc

[magic river]

Sounds like the answer is they sprinkle a little special sauce in to their Minecraft proxy in exchange for seeing all your unencrypted data

[golden gust]

it's the whole "bigger pipe" aspect

they have a bigger pipe and deal with filtering of traffic at the protocol level

[ashen cliff]

OVH has GAME firewall that works for the most part.

But you need to buy a server that includes it.

And CONFIGURE IT.

Hetzner has no firewall or any kind of protection.
WELL, did you CONFIGURE IT?
No.

[twin lagoon]

paying tcpshield $100/mo for protection is fine by me

especially when not using OVH for my dedicated servers

you'd be fine without tcpshield when using OVH

[golden gust]

what

you don't want your server to be the fire?

I mean, on fire

runs

[twin lagoon]

[magic river]

Oh yeah, apparently OVH doesn't have fire suppression of any kind in their datacenters

[ashen cliff]

Just go with CF Spectrum at that point.

[magic river]

They have detection and hand held extinguishers

[vernal moth]

they have on the new gen ones iirc amaranth

[lyric finch]

can someone send me 1.16.4 version of paper?

[vernal moth]

.download

[limber knot]

https://papermc.io/downloads

[lyric finch]

i can't find 1.16.4

[magic river]

That's illegal

[wraith trail]

you'd expect for all datacenters to have fire suppression systems

[wraith trail]

scroll down or use the api in #announcements

[vernal moth]

either use the api or scroll down

(if you press more new builds will appear)

[ashen cliff]

If their UPS theory is correct, you can't really extinguish a lithium fire.

[lyric finch]

thanks

[magic river]

Oh yeah, they also apparently did that trendy thing of copying what Google was doing a decade ago and put batteries in the bottom of their racks

[ashen cliff]

Google has lead acid in the server itself tho.

[vernal moth]

it was a old DC

[magic river]

Google is also making a mistake then

[ashen cliff]

That was back in 2009 tho.

[magic river]

Lead acid emits hydrogen gas

[left swift]

Boom

[magic river]

LiFePO4 batteries might be okay

[left swift]

They left the discord

[magic river]

The advantage of a battery in the server or rack is being able to move things around without turning them off, it's not better for reliability

[ashen cliff]

Now go find one back in 2009.

[left swift]

Some weird ass people

[magic river]

iirc Google went back to putting their batteries in a dedicated area and their new hotness is running the building on 48V DC instead of the normal 120/240 AC

They only pay the conversion cost once and can use more efficient methods to do it that would cost too much or be too big and/or hot to put in the servers or racks

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/2021-03-13_18-41-13.png

Only in 2016/17 tho.

[magic river]

Starting in 2016 means all their stuff is on generation 2 of the design by now 😛

[ashen cliff]

But then again, just like with the battery in the server itself, we might look back at this as a very stupid move.

[magic river]

Servers catch fire on a daily basis in a datacenter, putting hydrogen gas emitters in or near them is just asking for it

Now, afaik lead acid batteries only emit gas when charging or discharging so you'd have to have a server catch fire while the power was out

Or while they were testing the batteries

[ashen cliff]

We replaced hydrogen with lithium and in my eyes, that's way worse.

[golden gust]

Well, lithum, afaik, doesn't release off explosive gasses when charging

[ashen cliff]

Since hydrogen is going to get moved quickly by the airflow... Lithium just chills there.

Then again, putting batteries inside a DC should be a big no no.

[magic river]

I think the biggest problem with LiFePO4 in the rack is that you can't turn it off in emergencies

If a rack is on fire you now also have to worry about it shocking the shit out of you while trying to deal with it

[ashen cliff]

So yeah, just don't put batteries into the rack.

[spare venture]

I’m curious, why would you recommend PNAP Michael when you basically have to buy the $100/mo TCPshield plan on top of that?

Just to avoid a $100 setup fee or whatever

[twin lagoon]

because the servers i work for would get a tcpshield plan regardless of host

or already have one

or have multiple pnap servers

[spare venture]

I was looking at their pricing and saw $100/mo for only 2.5TB

[twin lagoon]

$100/mo is unlimited

[spare venture]

Yeah

If you pass 2.5TB (which basically every server will)

I think I’ll be sticking with OVH at those prices

[twin lagoon]

another option is to just buy a cheap ovh vps and host your proxy on there

[spare venture]

You’re basically paying for another OVH dedi (almost the same price) just to have similar protection OVH offers if you just purchased their dedis

[ashen cliff]

Not anymore tho.

[twin lagoon]

pricing is very attractive once you have multiple dedicated servers or already have tcpshield

[spare venture]

Yeah

Not when you only have one dedi tho 😛

[ashen cliff]

Their VPS specs/perf went to 💩.

[spare venture]

I’m upgrading from the ryzen 3600x to an E2288G, though

But definitely sticking to OVH, despite the fire hazard

[ashen cliff]

Isn't that a downgrade?

[spare venture]

Apparently not

From what I’ve seen the E2288G is superior

Same price too basically

[ashen cliff]

Multi thread, yes, single thread, no.

[spare venture]

Am not so sure about that

[twin lagoon]

2288g is the go-to processor for mc

there's some better processors out there but hardly available in US

[spare venture]

It’s the best offering OVH has IIRC

[twin lagoon]

it is

[spare venture]

More cores/threads too

So I can do other random stuff on there

[coarse urchin]

With OVH you get datacenter heating for free

What else can you ask for

[fallen oracle]

Bad joke

[golden gust]

OVH are doing the world some good

They're trialing a new experiment to replace the old gas powered steam generation in places like NY by using the heat generated by computers

efficiency level was over 9000 in one instance

[ashen cliff]

A heat exchanger should do the trick.

[spare venture]

Yes a shell and tube heat exchanger would be perfect

Plate heat exchangers are so 2020

Water cooling to the max

[visual egret]

wow

768mb of ram is so much better than 512mb for tiny servers

[spiral robin]

Wow what an incredible fact, can't believe it

[golden gust]

shit

we gotta get dis boi a ted talk

[visual egret]

at least the server doesent have stacktraces every few seconds

and is more playable

Also dum question: would moving to tunity increase or decrease my ram usage?

[vale rune]

(edited)

RAM stuffing!

[ashen cliff]

Both.

[golden gust]

server said it didn't get a response from the client in so long

.895

[limber knot]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/895#issuecomment-372175216

[olive marlin]

@twin lagoon they had epic promo for kabanosy, but all chilli and cheese ones were gone

[twin lagoon]

[modest path]

Is 1gb more than enough memory for a small testing server or can i shave it to 512mb

[visual egret]

i stick with 512

if in pterodactyl assign more ( i use 768)

[spare venture]

I usually do a minimum of 1GB

[stiff yarrow]

I pre ordered a cat Wednesday

[spare venture]

wow

[stiff yarrow]

such a strange concept to pay for something that doesn't exist yet

[zealous wedge]

has the cat not been born yet?

[stiff yarrow]

not born yet, and there are 5 people in line ahead of me for a cat of the same type

[spiral robin]

Cats

[stiff yarrow]

it could be up to half a year before I see this cat

[spare venture]

could never see myself owning a cat

mainly because I am allergic

[spiral robin]

Ok

[spare venture]

Ok

[stiff yarrow]

This is the dad cat

[spare venture]

Either that woman is very small or that cat is very large

[stiff yarrow]

mega chonkers

he won some awards in some cat shows

they pass him around between breeders

[ashen cliff]

Must be a good life.

[spare venture]

dudes livin life

[stiff yarrow]

his full time job is fathering offspring

[spare venture]

they say it stops being a job when you love what you’re doing

[zealous wedge]

omg he's hugeee

[stiff yarrow]

what I don't get is blue british short hairs have a waiting list but the other colors that come out don't yet they are all the same price

is it unethical to charge more for a blue kitten?

[zealous wedge]

pet breeding ethics are a discussion you could have for years and years

[stiff yarrow]

well for some stuff (like pugs... jesus) its kind of barbaric

[ashen cliff]

There is a special place for people that breed pugs.

[stiff yarrow]

you know most pugs can't even give birth normally they have to do it by c-section

[zealous wedge]

that poor breed

[ashen cliff]

It can't even breath normally.

[stiff yarrow]

yeah

its also likely for them to lose eyes and stuff compared to any other dog breed

my sister had a pug and just being near it made me feel bad for its existence

[meager tusk]

Bottom of bunar bro.

[ashen cliff]

Fact bro!

[visual egret]

gulag

[warm anchor]

Oskar aint it pass your bedtime already??

[visual egret]

eternity

[vale rune]

@meager tusk BRO!

[visual egret]

i will

[vale rune]

Hello bro!

[meager tusk]

Bro!

[visual egret]

cry

[meager tusk]

Oskar's crying. Life is good.

[vale rune]

Fact!

@meager tusk bro, we're 3 Albanians with @ashen cliff bro.

Call us Albanski Prva Linija .

[meager tusk]

Did we annex Slovenia again?

[minor badge]

@zealous wedge awa

[ashen cliff]

Bro.

[minor badge]

there's a smartphone advertisement in bf4 i've never noticed 😔

[zealous wedge]

@minor badge uwu

[vale rune]

I answered yesterday bro!

[zealous wedge]

that is vintage lol

[meager tusk]

When does bf4 take place?

[minor badge]

oh my god it's plastered all ove the walls

i've never thought of this

[meager tusk]

It's like their only product

[minor badge]

it takes place around 2018-ish

[meager tusk]

What

Phones didn't look that bad in 2018 did they

[minor badge]

it was released 2014

[meager tusk]

Oh

LOL

So that's what the prediction was?

[minor badge]

to be a little futuristic, but not like how back to the future tried

[meager tusk]

that UI looks like straight out of 2009 tho

they were on crack making that

[vale rune]

Everything made on 2008-2009 was done on crack.

[ashen cliff]

Always bro.

[vale rune]

Like Kosovo.

@meager tusk bro.

Have you ever noticed @ashen cliff's links bro?

Tell me you know Slovenian brother.

[ashen cliff]

Bro!

[vale rune]

Bro! Tell him what happens when you put either s or š .

[meager tusk]

Oh no no no

He doesn't know

[visual egret]

hi brian

[austere ivy]

is there a tl;dr somewhere on the various Java time and date APIs? off the top of my head, there's calendar, localdate, date, instant, duration.. and they all kinda mesh together in my head.

hi oskar o/

[upper flicker]

java.time.x are the new ones added in Java 8

they are considered to be the correct ones to use where possible

fix some issues with the old ones, see nio vs io as a similar comparison

[vernal moth]

Date is old, local date is new date, localdatetime has time, not just Date, duration is a duration, instant is a timestamp

I use the new ones for everything nowadays

[meager tusk]

yeah the new date api is really convenient

[vernal moth]

There is also temporal iirc, a timestamp with a timezone

Nor no, idk what a temporal is

[golden gust]

temporal is basically "the concept of time", me thinks

[vernal moth]

Ah

I'll save all my dates as ThaiBuddistDate now

Somebody tell Jake we gotta refactor hangar again

[ashen cliff]

🤔 The new chunk light bug still hasn't been fixed?
https://posili.me/i/2021-03-13_21-07-59.png

[golden gust]

it's a bug right deep in mojangs chunk system

which is obfuscated to all shit

[ashen cliff]

Epic.

Starlight fixes it anyway, at least I didn't notice it on our server yet.

[spare venture]

Starlight 🥺

[cobalt surge]

Cat you're a bug deep in Mojang chunk system shit

[golden gust]

Chrysti

You ride a bike which looks more manlier than your mans

[woven otter]

ouch

billy got rekt

[golden gust]

Makes me wonder who wears the pants in that house

sips tea

[woven otter]

[worn ember]

looks down not me for sure

[ashen cliff]

Imagine wearing anything.

Can't even.

[worn ember]

Imagine wearing pants

Yeah couldn't be me

[modest path]

Hmm

[spare venture]

Thoughts on this

https://www.microcenter.com/product/631691/powerspec-g164-gaming-computer

vs this?

https://www.microcenter.com/product/624825/powerspec-g228-gaming-computer

[potent fossil]

amd for teh gaming 😎

[twin lagoon]

g164 >

both are kinda ass though

[spare venture]

Thinking about getting a desktop but GPU availability is ass

[twin lagoon]

just build your own

or find better prebuilds

[spare venture]

Trying to get those GPUs individually is like paying the same amount as those prevuilts lol

[warm anchor]

I mean if you REALLY need from those 2. I will go with AMD version

[spare venture]

It doesn’t have to be, but prebuilts in general seem to be the best option

[golden gust]

See, am not a fan of ryzen, especially ryzen 5

but, ermmmm...

I mean, the intel one you're boned with an i5, which, I mean, is just without HT last I recall, so, maaaybe not that bad

HT is 50:50

[spare venture]

The RX 5500 XT 8GB itself is like $700+

[upper flicker]

some i5s have HT now

[spare venture]

So that’s why I’m focusing on prebuilds because of the GPU markwt

[upper flicker]

intel's product line is completely on fire

naming wise anyway, some of the i9's more literally

[golden gust]

some day, in some likely parallel universe

Intel is gonna release a product

[spare venture]

Only reason I chose those as options because they are partners with micro center and seem decent

[golden gust]

with a sane name

a sane line up

and, people are gonna be like, 'this is the norm'

Not here, however, not ever, probably

[spare venture]

$900 for that AMD one seems pretty good

https://www.microcenter.com/product/630918/powerspec-g707-gaming-computer

I could buy this and then sell the 3070 to pay off the entire build

[magic river]

3070 is only $1400 on ebay, wouldn't quite cover it

Actually if you tried to put together that computer from parts it'd probably cost about what they're selling it for

[spare venture]

Which?

[magic river]

The last one you linked

[spare venture]

I don’t see how that’s possible, the 3070 and the 3700x combined are like $1700-1800?

[magic river]

It's $1800, you can buy a 3070 on ebay for $1250

[spare venture]

Hm

[magic river]

3700x is $330

[spare venture]

Why is the 3070 so cheap, old ass weak cards are not even that much lower than that

[magic river]

It might be like $200 cheaper to buy their version, depends on how cheap their RAM and SSD are I guess

[spare venture]

RX 5500 XT from the build earlier was like $700 on eBay

Well I’m not spending $1800 on my first desktop anyway

The $900 AMD build seemed like a good deal

[vale rune]

@ashen cliff did it bro!

[ashen cliff]

Done.

[true canyon]

Such a deal for a $500 MSRP! 😦

[magic river]

Ethereum is moving to proof of stake soon so they'll all be cheap on ebay

[true canyon]

Can you summarize what that means or point me to some light reading on it?

[limber knot]

soon? more like Soon™

[magic river]

Instead of computing a bunch of hashes to prove something actually happened you put your ETH on the line saying it happened

If you lied the network takes your staked ETH

[limber knot]

we will see a hard fork by miners before ETH2.0 will go main net lmao

[magic river]

This is before 2.0

[limber knot]

yes, I realise that the actual roadmap is a bit more complex

[magic river]

Miners are trying to hard fork away from EIP1559 so the developers are looking in to doing proof of stake now and the rest of 2.0 later

[limber knot]

well we will see a hard fork for ETH POW anyways so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

hopefully POS will win and not be exploitable lmao

(but I personally hate both concepts 👀 )

[true canyon]

How does this "[thing] happened" work?

[limber knot]

POS just makes the rich richer, POW destroys the environment.

[magic river]

https://stopeip1559.org/ https://supporteip1559.org/

[magic river]

Math™

I have no idea

[true canyon]

😄

[limber knot]

the entitlement on these pages is insane

"There is over $30 billion of ETH for investors, while miners only make millions. Another year of ETH mining makes little real difference to investors."

[true canyon]

With crypto acceptance hitting what looks to be a plateau is there really any future for this stuff other than a bubble popping?

[magic river]

I know mining is still involved somehow but I think it's the people with a stake mining and the proof is the stake itself instead of the hashpower

So you need a few but not a country worth

[limber knot]

crypto has hit plateaus every other year already

the only thing stopping crypto right now is POW

[magic river]

I just care that GPUs are being used to mine ETH and if proof-of-stake happens (or even if EIP1559 happens) most of those GPUs will be getting sold

[limber knot]

the main issue I have with POS is that the market cap of any crypto currency is way too low for it not being exploitable by someone simply "burning" a couple billion dollars

[magic river]

Why would you waste $10 billion dollars for such a thing?

[limber knot]

to shut it down

[magic river]

As soon as people find out they either fork to a network where your money is gone or the thing dies completely and your money is gone

[true canyon]

I don't mean price/value plateau but plateau in terms of who even accepts crypto as payment.

[limber knot]

it's not only about payment

and they don't accept it as payment because it's unstable

[ashen cliff]

They will just switch to another algo.

BTC got too hard to mine, so we switched to ETH.

Time to do it again.

[spare venture]

Miners really bother me

[magic river]

The rest are either beyond the realm where GPU mining is feasible or are rarely worth enough to make GPU mining worth it as a business

[limber knot]

yeah, there is enought altcoins going around for it still being profitable even without ETH

[spare venture]

Waste of electricity and GPU

[magic river]

ETH mining wasn't the main use of GPUs a couple years ago, there was some other coin

[true canyon]

If it isn't used for payment, and that's the only useful thing it could be used for, it's just a bubble waiting to pop.

[limber knot]

pretty sure all Scrypt coins are GPU mined

[magic river]

It was also less crazy

[limber knot]

it's literally not only for payment, it's digital proof of ownership

[magic river]

If you mean NFTs that's the biggest scam I've ever seen

[limber knot]

no idea what NFT stands for

[magic river]

And I subscribe to /r/wallstreetbets

[true canyon]

NFT is the digital proof of ownership stuff. Using cryptostuffs to say "I own this thing"

[worn ember]

wow real investor here

[limber knot]

I'm referring to the fact that you can record stuff in the blockchain without it being modifiable every again

[spare venture]

I just want a PC and want to pay normal prices

[true canyon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-fungible_token

[worn ember]

wtf is that image lol

[true canyon]

What exactly are people recording in a block chain that's worth the huge profit miners are making even with gpus at double MSRP?

[limber knot]

I don't care about individual implementations of that concept, I just find the concept in itself very fascinating and not possible before blockchains

no idea? ask them? lol

it's not like I'm saying it's worth as much as it is now or that POS is good lol

[true canyon]

The idea of blockchain tracking stuff is cool, sure. But that doesn't exactly sound like what all the money's about. So, bubble.

[ashen cliff]

Why are people doing anything? Correct, for currency.

[spare venture]

Any guess how long the ballooned GPU prices will last

[limber knot]

until crypto crashes

[ashen cliff]

Forever.

[limber knot]

or they find more recources and can ramp up production

[ashen cliff]

Even after crypto crashes, NoVideo will just stick with the new price.

[limber knot]

they don't profit from the current prices

(yet)

[magic river]

Doesn't matter how many they produce

[ashen cliff]

they don't profit from the current prices
They do tho.

They sell cards directly at higher prices as semi-custom.

[limber knot]

if they do then they should also be responsible for lying to customers on their website about lower prices

[spare venture]

I’ll stick to console permanently if that becomes the case

[limber knot]

👀

[magic river]

Unless they make enough to push the mining difficulty past GPUs (which would be a temporary thing) it's worth it for miners to buy up every single one they make

Yeah my PS5 is the most powerful computer in my house now

[limber knot]

they claim that the cards cost couple hundred dollars less on their shop page than they are actually sold for on the shops lol

[magic river]

On the CPU and GPU sides

[limber knot]

I just hope that AMD will eventually create something that can rival RTX :S

[magic river]

Eh?

[twin lagoon]

they already have?

[magic river]

The software isn't quite there yet but the hardware seems promising

[limber knot]

last I heard their cards don't have that?

[twin lagoon]

they have raytracing

directx 12 raytracing

[magic river]

They don't have tensor cores but they have optimized instructions on their normal compute units

[ashen cliff]

I just want mGPU!

[magic river]

They do have ray tracing hardware

[limber knot]

so what's so special about nvidia's then?

[twin lagoon]

nothing besides marketing

[worn ember]

lol

[twin lagoon]

they both suck

[magic river]

As of RDNA2? I think theirs is slightly more powerful and has better software

[limber knot]

wait, nvidia has started to procude GTX 1050 TI and RTX 2060 again? lol

[ashen cliff]

Things AMD needs to do: Add a FPGA to a GPU.

[magic river]

Like, for DLSS (which you need if you want to do ray tracing at decent resolutions) AMD is writing an alternative that is meant to scale from Vega to consoles to RDNA2 using whatever techniques make the most sense on the hardware you have

Oh, and also work on Intel and nvidia GPUs, I guess

Like all things AMD software it's late and it'll suck when it does come out but give it a year or two

[twin lagoon]

amd software isn't too bad

rx 5700 xt launch was a shitshow but it all seems good now

[magic river]

So for today the Ampere cards are still better for most things but if you plan to have the GPU for 5 years odds are the RDNA2 ones will at least be tied and probably be ahead before you replace it

[twin lagoon]

they're both very good

[magic river]

If you aren't doing anything with RT or DLSS then the RDNA2 cards are already competitive

[twin lagoon]

both RT & DLSS are gimmicks / garbage imo

[worn ember]

no u

[twin lagoon]

the difference between RTX on & off is neglible in terms of looks but the performance hit is noticable

[magic river]

I mean, on Miles Morales I chose the option that was 60 FPS over the option that used ray tracing so I agree for the most part

[twin lagoon]

RTX on & DLSS off is literally impossible in any game

[magic river]

Unless you play at 720p 😛

[vernal moth]

Minewhile minecraft is fully racetraced

[twin lagoon]

just like native 4k gaming, i don't think it's ready for maybe 5 years or something

[vernal moth]

Not just light and reflection

[twin lagoon]

yet they start advertising 8k ready

[magic river]

Fully raytraced Minecraft is never going to release, is it?

[vernal moth]

Bedrock is fully racetraced?

[magic river]

And it's relying on DLSS I'm pretty sure

No?

[ashen cliff]

8k output ready. Tho even my 6 year old laptop can do that.

[vernal moth]

Mmh? What do they do on bedrock?

[warm anchor]

1440p is the sweet spot rn

[twin lagoon]

they marketed the 3090 game as 8k gaming ready iirc

and yeah 1440p 144hz is the sweet spot

[warm anchor]

for FPS....

[magic river]

Bedrock is just a really good GLES renderer

I suppose it's more than GLES since they support consoles and UWP

[twin lagoon]

bedrock RTX is nice, wouldn't really use it for anything besides cinematics / screenshots though

performance is great

[magic river]

Oh did they actually ship the RTX version?

[twin lagoon]

yes

[vernal moth]

Ye

[twin lagoon]

it's been out for a while now

beta period was a couple months long but now it's out to public

[vernal moth]

But it's different to the other games with rtx for sure

[ashen cliff]

They even flex RTX in the Android version.

[magic river]

The lower object resolution simplifies things and they're still relying on DLSS to run at native screen resolution

[spare venture]

there are plenty of 4k native games?

RE8 is 4k @ 60 w/ minor ray tracing on the ps5

[spare venture]

there are some games that are dynamic, but there are plenty of games that are 4k @ 30, 4k @ 60 is becoming more common on console now tho

[magic river]

Without DLSS a 3090 can only do Minecraft 4K at 38 fps

[spare venture]

24 chunks as in, 24 total chunks or 24 view distance?

[magic river]

No idea

Probably view distance

[spare venture]

because 24 view distance is insanely high aha

[magic river]

Bedrock view distances normally make Java look lame as fuck

[spare venture]

bump that down to a sane value like 10

[magic river]

iirc they default to 16 or 24

At 1080p a 3060 Ti can do it even without DLSS though

Ampere RT is like twice the perf of Turing though so that makes sense

RDNA2 is somewhere in between the two

But yeah, before ETH shot up in value people mostly mined using idle cycles on a GPU they bought to play games, there were few places with cheap enough power and few times altcoins were worth enough to make it worth professional mining

Prices were still creeping up because people mining using idle cycles were willing to pay them and GPUs were harder to get because people making money from idle mining could afford to upgrade more often but it wasn't the insanity we have now

[true canyon]

I still don't get where the value of these coins comes from. It's like $GME if gamestop had already shut down all stores and their website, and GME hit 2000 anyway

[magic river]

It has value because you believe it does

[autumn oar]

Hi, i have a question. Is it possible to allow cracked players play on your papermc server?

[twin lagoon]

yes

server.properties, online-mode=false

[magic river]

But I'll hate you if you do

[true canyon]

Sure, but why does anyone believe these have value in a way that isn't just a bubble waiting to pop?

[autumn oar]

But that's paper, not vanilla minecraft, you think it will still work?

[magic river]

It's generally considered an unsupported operating mode, run your server in offline mode and if something breaks you get to keep both pieces

[true canyon]

It's like stocks without the company to invest in.

[magic river]

Because someone spent that much money on it

[cobalt surge]

You have 1 guess..

[twin lagoon]

paper is a fork of spigot

spigot is a fork of bukkit

bukkit is a fork of vanilla

[waxen panther]

[autumn oar]

Ok,i will test it. Thanks for support

[vernal moth]

It's still wrong to do so

[magic river]

It's the same thing as stocks with insane P/E ratios and beanie babies, there is no logical reason they should be worth that much (or worth anything) but people are willing to buy them for that much so they are

[vernal moth]

Just as its wrong to do that on vanilla

You are encouraging piracy

And thus will be hated

[magic river]

It's a mix of FOMO, hype, and worries about inflation

[true canyon]

Sure, and that points toward a poppable bubble, just a question of when it pops. So, why do I always get pushback when I describe it as a bubble? 😛

[golden gust]

because we just wish you was a bubble we could pop

[true canyon]

D:

[potent fossil]

i dont wish that

i love mbax

[true canyon]

❤️

[twin lagoon]

[spare venture]

I wouldn’t be mad if the crypto bubble popped today

[true canyon]

I'd be so thrilled. 😄

[spare venture]

Would mean I get to buy a desktop for sane prices

[autumn oar]

[upper flicker]

please dont be mean to mbax 😢 we love mbax ❤️

[warm anchor]

I read this as "poop" coz how often zzzcat throw poop around in chat.

[spare venture]

You mean every time he talks?

[golden gust]

I am being nice about him

Well

nicest I can be

[waxen schooner]

anyone know if there is any public information about implementing timings on the backend?

(I mean on the server's backend, not in a plugin)

[golden gust]

codes open source

[spare venture]

yeah billy hosts his own timings for example

[waxen schooner]

where?

[magic river]

They call it digital gold but Warren Buffet gave the best explanation for why using gold to hedge against inflation was a bad idea:

I tried to paste the text in here but it was about twice the message limit

If you want to protect your wealth against inflation buy useful things, not assets whose only value is what people say it is

Stocks count as useful things because they represent partial ownership of a useful thing

Gold is only useful if you're a doomsday prepper, have physical ownership of it and not just a number in a database saying you own it, and think gold will be useful as currency after the world ends

[vernal moth]

Aikars github

[magic river]

You can fondle the cube, but it will not respond.

[vernal moth]

Careful, it's php

https://github.com/aikar/timings

[magic river]

That bit is why I remembered this

[vernal moth]

@waxen schooner ^

[waxen schooner]

what have I actually gotta do? just look at the stuff that it needs and send HTTP requests?

[vernal moth]

What's your goal?

[waxen schooner]

I want to implement Aikar's v2 timings into my server implementation

[zealous wedge]

do what sponge did then

[vernal moth]

Just look at the patch then

[zealous wedge]

just copy the API/timings-local implementation, and whatever hook points are relevant

[waxen schooner]

you talking about the one that's in org.spongepowered.common.relocate.co.aikar.timings right?

[magic river]

Sponge is MIT licensed and I'm sure their timings implementation uses mixins, just grab that one 😄

[zealous wedge]

i don't think we've ported the 1.16 implementation of timings yet

[waxen schooner]

yeah I'll probably do some Kotlin translation and changing around to suit my needs but it's a great thing to have

https://github.com/SpongePowered/Sponge/blob/api-8/src/main/java/org/spongepowered/common/relocate/co/aikar/timings/TimingsPls.java really not gonna question what went on here though lol

how does Sponge's actually work though? looks like it's configurable

[cosmic raft]

Timings is stupid and uses legacy shit still

that's all :p

[olive marlin]

Timings v3 when? :p

[visual egret]

spark built into paper = timings v3 👀

[worn ember]

are you saying you're making your own

[vernal moth]

Spark is different than timings tho

Spark is a sampler

[visual egret]

notice how he didnt say aikars timings but timings

[zealous wedge]

he's talking about the commands for timings

[worn ember]

https://open.spotify.com/show/4XPl3uEEL9hvqMkoZrzbx5?si=cb55769405ca4b40

oh

hmm

https://open.spotify.com/episode/3GjLJQM8JHz1odxQ4Og5tf?si=5c527469046542b4 does this work?