general

[left swift]

cough progressive

[spare venture]

I was just seeing what their prices were haha

[left swift]

I should probably just like close my server I havent even played it since October lol

[spare venture]

Anyway you’d think with the ridiculous OVH setup fees they added they would invest in some fire suppression systems

[left swift]

Did they release what caused the fire yet

[spare venture]

Don’t think so

[worn ember]

cant suppress my mixtape

gonna have be a full investigation first

[spare venture]

Yup

[worn ember]

i know cuz i watch national geographic

[spare venture]

Yeah I was hosting my mixtape at that DC

[worn ember]

Mine was on AC

[left swift]

Was it BC

[worn ember]

maybe it shorted

[spare venture]

https://tenor.com/view/yikes-eww-eep-sutton-foster-younger-gif-9220679

[worn ember]

its ok barty

[left swift]

Farty

[worn ember]

HAHA F word

[left swift]

[unreal swift]

How do i change this

[worn ember]

iml file i think

[olive marlin]

Anyone know of a good way to parse NGINX directory view? Paper uses NGINX in front of JD and didn't turn on JSON output 😠

[unreal swift]

its gradle

but idk how to change

[formal turret]

check settings.gradle?

[unreal swift]

thx

[olive marlin]

@vernal moth I ran the generation locally, but it doesn't detect changes to io.papermc :/

And not sure how to best get latest paper JD URL, since it doesn't have JSON directory view turned on in NGINX settings.

Well, it can't find sources: javadoc: warning - No source files for package io.papermc.paper
But they are clearly there...

[vernal moth]

yeah idk why it says that

doesnt matter

[olive marlin]

But it doesn't then show it in the changes.

[vernal moth]

yeah I have the same issue

[olive marlin]

Anyway, added automatic download of latest sources.

Will also add (probably in a separate PR) python script to parse nginx directory html to get latest paper javadocs url.

[vernal moth]

nexus 3 is a hella strange api, you gotta post groovy or smth, its so dum

[olive marlin]

Hmm?

I think you can post groovy to the script endpoint, which is disabled by default. I didn't see it used anywhere else.

[vernal moth]

oh am dum

dont mind me

(I thought you didnt manage to do paper sources yet)

[olive marlin]

Oh, I did Paper first 🙂

Feel free to shout at me to change anything 🙂

[potent fossil]

güd day fellows

[upper flicker]

hi simple

happy almost friday

[olive marlin]

Why won't traefik apply basicauth

[golden gust]

coz fuq u

[olive marlin]

Z, do you know if there's any chance to get json directory listing in NGINX enabled or do we need to parse html? Want to get latest javadocs url from https://papermc.io/javadocs/paper/

[upper flicker]

uh

its not really meant to be parsed like that

but I can look into it

[olive marlin]

iirc you need to turn it on in nginx, it has a few formats.

That would be nice. I'm not a fan of dealing with html in scripts.

[vernal moth]

cant you just use bilioktehk?

like get laterst paper major from paper/api

[olive marlin]

I guess could get latest paper version from there, and then add it there, yes.

Hmm.

[modest path]

g'day

[upper flicker]

would prefer to keep pointing you at the api and maven if thatll work instead

[modest path]

i've returned from the void

[upper flicker]

are you a laser printer now?

[olive marlin]

Probably should work. Possible there will be desync window, but who cares.

[upper flicker]

is this for mini's diff thing?

[olive marlin]

Yes.

[upper flicker]

I wouldnt worry about it then

actually if you could make it buggier

we'd appreciate it

[olive marlin]

I guess I can run bash minifier on the script and inject some random stuff in there

[upper flicker]

you not answering makes me think youre still an inkjet printer

and you know what we do with those

[olive marlin]

Hmm https://github.com/Bashfuscator/Bashfuscator

[modest path]

i am an inkjet

[upper flicker]

back to the void with you

[modest path]

no please

[golden gust]

.lp0

[visual egret]

🤔 what

[olive marlin]

Ay, traefik works. I just skipped part of documentation and didn't enable any middlewares...

[golden gust]

.g lp0 on fire

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) lp0 on fire is an outdated error message generated on some Unix and Unix-like computer operating systems in response to certain types of printer errors. lp0 is the Unix device handle for the first line printer, but the error can be displayed for any printer attached to a Unix/Linux system. It indicates a printer error that requires further investigation to diagnose, but not necessarily that it is on fire. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lp0_on_fir

[modest path]

where are all these webhooks coming from

[upper flicker]

laser printers

[golden gust]

.minecon

[limber knot]

LaxWasHere: Is md_5 here yet

LaxWasHere: I wanna touch his hair

[golden gust]

[twin lagoon]

tf

lax is alive again?

wait was that .minecon i'm confused

[golden gust]

Korobi

[twin lagoon]

multiplayer notepad is confusing man

[unkempt drift]

can you nickname yourself Korobi on the irc?

[modest path]

.minekon

[upper flicker]

no there's already a korobi on irc - no duplicate names allowed

versus here where everyone can be zzzCat

[unkempt drift]

versus here where everyone can be zzzCat
oh good. endorsement of impersonating zzzCat 😈

[upper flicker]

yes

you have my endorsement

I will not intervene to protect you from his wrath however

[golden gust]

goes to get the ban shotgun

[modest path]

what if someone took your exact profile pic and named themselves zzzCat (Do ping)

[potent fossil]

people have been banned for less

[upper flicker]

I think I have done that in the past

intent is 9/10 of the law

[unreal quarry]

what if i used your right eye as my avatar?

[upper flicker]

that'd be kinda weird

I'd have some follow up questions

[unreal quarry]

how did you get a picture of my right eye? are you in my house?

[upper flicker]

couldve at least brought some pizza and stayed for drinks

[worn ember]

what if you used his second left eye

[lament patio]

About the github discussion about configs

Paper.toml doesn't look too bad 🤔

[potent fossil]

i mean, yea, it 'could be done' post hard-fork but not prior. im not for or against it, it's just gonna take somebody who wants to do the work of merging all the configs and fixing the code to use the one file. but again, only after hard fork :p

[shy tundra]

Hi @twin lagoon

Sorry for the tag

I finally get verus

the last plan

[cunning raft]

if you're sorry for the tag why'd you do it

[potent fossil]

[twin lagoon]

lol

verus is literally dead how did you get the last plan when support is slow as balls

[shy tundra]

they took 3 months

to answer my ticket

[twin lagoon]

[shy tundra]

today i get it

[twin lagoon]

yeah i don't think i would've bought it after 3 months

[potent fossil]

[shy tundra]

well

its the only asnyc anticheat in the market

worth it

[potent fossil]

[twin lagoon]

i mean it sure is efficient but idk how trustworthy it is for future updates

[shy tundra]

do u have it?

[twin lagoon]

only one way to find out

it runs on some of my servers yes

[shy tundra]

do u have autoban?

falses positives?

[potent fossil]

waits 3 months for support reply and still buys the thing

[twin lagoon]

i don't enable autoban anywhere

[shy tundra]

and what happen if u use flyhack

in your server

[shy tundra]

hahah lmao, i test like 7 private antichets like spartan, aac, vulcan, etc

all consume like hell

[warm anchor]

Best anti cheat is have mature player base

[shy tundra]

thats inviable

if u have a large player base

[warm anchor]

That’s why report based system is the best. Offer free rank for snitch’s

[potent fossil]

also all adult staff who are actively monitoring and not playing

[warm anchor]

You’d be surprised how many “friends” will turn each other in for ranks

[potent fossil]

no fucking children staff! plz!

[shy tundra]

people will do lot of thing we dont imagine for a free rank 😄

[warm anchor]

Lol simple ahahahha

[potent fossil]

ppl keep making children staff and it's a disease

im serious

[warm anchor]

You see I rather have 1 mature player with a deep packet than 100 free to play kids to boost my server online count

[twin lagoon]

verus as anticheat is good

probably still the #1 publicly available one

[shy tundra]

michaell

what happen if use fly hack

in your server?

[twin lagoon]

idk you tell me

[shy tundra]

common

[twin lagoon]

i don't log onto my servers

[shy tundra]

but why do u have anticheat then

do u have a kick?

or what

alerts?

[twin lagoon]

kick

alerts

[shy tundra]

cool

well enabling fly and speed for KICK, what do u think?

did u have false positives with those 2?

[twin lagoon]

used to be pretty minimal idk how it is now

[shy tundra]

commands:
- kick {player} &c&lDetected cheating. We warn the staff about this, delete all your hacks or will be permanetly ban

lol

bad redacted btw

[vernal moth]

ok so

its 1:42

too late to handle paper PRs?

the last of ma dudes just went to bed the pussy

[twin lagoon]

mini ur fucking drunk

go to bed

[spare venture]

imagine having an anticheat

[twin lagoon]

ur PRs will be worse than my first minecraft plugin that i wrote yesterday

[spare venture]

waste of cpu

Michael coding now huh

[twin lagoon]

nope not anymore

[spare venture]

at least it wasn’t skript

[twin lagoon]

java is too complicated

[spare venture]

[twin lagoon]

moving to kotlin

[spare venture]

good choice

[vernal moth]

nou

[vernal moth]

smh I dont plan on writing stuff, just mering stuff

[twin lagoon]

your PR merging will cause data loss

[vernal moth]

am I called ivan?

[spare venture]

[modest path]

ooh let me see

[spare venture]

imagine not closed sourcing your plugins

[modest path]

imagine not open sourcing your plugins

[spare venture]

yeah I can imagine that

imagine sharing

[modest path]

https://github.com/Auriium/Beetle/runs/2091216374 why is it bitching and moaning

please

ok its no longer bitching and moaning

fixxed

god doing html and trying to stick a ";" at the end of each line because fucking braindead java developer

it's not even that bad since html is website xml in my head i just keep trying to stick a ; where it shouldn't go

[potent fossil]

i am very confused as to what just happened so im going to pretend that it didnt

[modest path]

why

[vernal moth]

https://twitter.com/dark1x/status/1369732992701239296?s=19

John Linneman (@dark1x)

Now this is how you play Doom! https://t.co/BzS6p9u9MH

Retweets

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Science went too far

[cedar smelt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/624219028277297162/819471959909072957/image0-19.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/624219028277297162/819471959909072957/image0-19.gif

[cunning raft]

fuck you

[unkempt drift]

why you no pass it down JRoy?

[formal turret]

he wants the vbucks for himself obv

[unkempt drift]

vbucks > bitcoin

[worn ember]

greedy bastard

[spare venture]

Rip Bethesda/Zenimax games on PlayStation

[upper flicker]

exclusives war is heating up

sony kinda had all the great ones last gen though too

[spare venture]

yup

sony had like 90% of the good exclusives

this might inspire me to build a PC

because no way in hell would I ever get an Xbox

Bethesda games are usually better on PC anyway

also gpus are atrociously expensive rn

[upper flicker]

at least on PC you can mod them

sony still doesnt allow outside assets so their mod support is... well crap

[spare venture]

yep

[untold copper]

good morning bois :D

how is everyone today

[spiral robin]

excellent !

very swell!

Everything is fine !

[untold copper]

good to hear uwu

[tiny fox]

gm

[short yarrow]

Is there only one definition of singleton or is there multiple? Like from a dependency injection perspective, guice has @Singleton which is used when you only want one instance to be reused. I think this is the same as creating one instance like new DataManager() and passing that around, but I don't think this is considered a singleton because you can create another DataManager instance. There is also a singleton where you can only create one of a class using a getInstance method like Singleton.getInstance()

[minor badge]

you generally want package-private constructors with Guice to avoid making new instances out of habit

a javax.inject.Singleton is a class that may only have 1 instance in the DI framework when injecting; it will make 1 then never again

[unique snow]

Technically a singleton is a design pattern.

I don't know how Java uses it, but I assume it would be the same as the design pattern.

[short yarrow]

Hmm I see. I just have my constructors public since that is what's used in the examples in the guice wiki

[unique snow]

There's a book explaining the OOP design patterns (called Design Patterns) by the gang of four if you're super interested in them, pretty important book for OOP imo.

[short yarrow]

In java, if sometime happens JIT. Is that the same thing as runtime?

[potent fossil]

yes, it has to do with how the bytecode is processed on each individual platform

heres a nice read https://aboullaite.me/understanding-jit-compiler-just-in-time-compiler/

[spiral robin]

@potent fossil

[potent fossil]

@spiral robin

[minor badge]

Simple!

[short yarrow]

So is dependency injection done during compile time (at least some parts of it) or is it all runtime? I remember seeing somewhere if you have an interface/abstract class as a dependency, its implementation will be determined at runtime or something along the lines of that. I hope I'm not crazy

[minor badge]

it's done entirely at runtime if it's Guice

other frameworks like Dagger can do it at compile-time

[short yarrow]

Yeah that's what it seemed like with Guice. If you just do the good old manual DI, do you know if that's compile time or runtime? I think the implementation for interfaces is determined at runtime, but not sure about concrete classes

[merry talon]

imagine relying on exclusive titles to get sales instead of just making a good product

[potent fossil]

who are you throwing shade at tonight @merry talon

[potent fossil]

just saw dat hi

[formal turret]

Anyone with exclusive titles ofc

[meager tusk]

👋

[potent fossil]

@meager tusk hi

[minor badge]

hello!

[untold copper]

hi :D

[mellow mulch]

hello

no i didnt

[spiral robin]

@meager tusk

[shell vine]

[potent fossil]

[autumn glen]

Hey, I just ordered an additional IP for my dedicated, and I tried to use it on my server, but i'm getting

[14:14:07] [Server thread/WARN]: The exception was: java.net.BindException: Cannot assign requested address: bind
[14:14:07] [Server thread/WARN]: Perhaps a server is already running on that port?``` 
However no server is running on that port

[minor badge]

have you actually added it?

i.e. is it in ip a?

[autumn glen]

Well, i ordered it from hetzner, and it has DCHP enabled, i asked a friend and they said it would be set automatically

[minor badge]

oh windows of all things

i'm of no use then

[autumn glen]

alright

[twin lagoon]

dont use windows on servers

[olive marlin]

But what about muh Windows Server?

[minor badge]

weekend

[olive garden]

what's a good latex editor for windows?

[minor badge]

overleaf

ig its more decent than good but eh

[olive garden]

isn't that online-mode only? I would prefer to be able to work offline

[minor badge]

it is

win term + vim?

[olive garden]

nah, I don't know vim

[twin lagoon]

vim

[olive garden]

I'll just use LibreOffice Maths

[potent fossil]

can still use overleaf

install docker desktop, run overleaf img, access @ localhost

its a good experience

mostly

[olive garden]

oh, nice, thanks

but I don't think I want to go through that much trouble lol

I'm a bit of a jerk, aren't all? I keep turning down all these recommendations

[potent fossil]

Meh

[woven otter]

Just use word equation editor then

[olive garden]

.

[woven otter]

Okay go away trig

[cosmic raft]

hi

[untold meadow]

trig intellij has a great latex plugin

idea-latex iirc

[vernal bone]

hello!

I saw someone in the other day talking about spigot badges in github readmes, but can't seem to find it. May can I ask, does anyone here knows how can I do that? 👀

[untold meadow]

@olive garden https://github.com/Hannah-Sten/TeXiFy-IDEA

ive been using it for a few months now and no complaints so far - i think it's actually better at getting me to write better latex than more traditional editors

[quick pasture]

@vernal bone

https://img.shields.io/badge/dynamic/json.svg?color=brightgreen&label=rating&query=%24.rating.average&suffix=%20%2F%205&url=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.spiget.org%2Fv2%2Fresources%2F<RESOURCE_ID>

[vernal bone]

Oh, thank you!

[untold meadow]

still don't think it quite compares to sublime text with latex plugins but i like having everything in one place

[olive garden]

Thanks Kezz, I'll check it out!

[quick pasture]

If anyone's on macos I recommend texpad as latex editor, its a really nice one and quite modern

windows version coming out soon I heard

[olive garden]

@vernal bone @wicked remnant has a single useful project called BringYourOwnBadge, it can be used to create any badge if you don't mind coding the logic: https://github.com/RubbaBoy/BYOB

[worn ember]

Wtf is latex

[quasi valley]

a horrible, horrible way of writing formulas and such

[vernal bone]

Looking pretty 😏

[quasi valley]

the result is perfect, but the way isn't

[worn ember]

Hot

I see. Thank Mr TV

[olive garden]

drek, you never cease to amaze me

[worn ember]

Boo math

[restive saffron]

i think it's time to disable paper's anti xray, either it uses a lot of cpu on server side and client side or isn't perfect and allows xraying

[golden gust]

it's a balancing act, and shamefully bar rewriting the server to lag out clients with block updates persistently, there is some level of it purely being a game of mitigation

[restive saffron]

i really cant even find a anti xray that works without ruining player experience besides notifier ones or ones that limit how much ore you can mine

[golden gust]

Because it's virtually impossible with how the game works

you can't tell what the client can/can't see without expensive maths

[potent fossil]

best anti-xray: anticheat notifications and adult staff members

[golden gust]

So, you're always going to leak information to clients

[worn ember]

See. Math bad

[restive saffron]

hmm notifier ones seem less expensive to run

[worn ember]

It slows server down

[golden gust]

and, the only way to even consider introducing that complex logic to determine what people can see is complex logic which induces lots block updates to the client, which would make it unplayable to all

[restive saffron]

Damn

[potent fossil]

notifications + human staff to investigate and verify is the best way imo, but falls apart quickly if the staff team is shit which most are because many servers hire 14 year olds

[restive saffron]

good thing im a 15 year old, born from discord moderation and knows how to use google/youtube

[worn ember]

Might help if they actually got anything out of it lol

[potent fossil]

L O L

k

[restive saffron]

it's not even the age of the staff members, it's about their basic ability to think and use logic

[worn ember]

Jokes on you simple. Even adults can't do it properly

[restive saffron]

and if they dont know, why not just google it like any regular person does

[potent fossil]

[restive saffron]

that is true darkeye

before a Manager had full op, exposed the whole staff team's IP addresses and gave them to a ddoser

[quick pasture]

ye can also use this one for download count:

https://img.shields.io/badge/dynamic/json.svg?color=brightgreen&label=downloads%20%28spigotmc.org%29&query=%24.downloads&url=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.spiget.org%2Fv2%2Fresources%2F<RESOURCE_ID>

[restive saffron]

but that's just a bad person

[potent fossil]

"Manager"

child

[restive saffron]

no, he was like 21 or something, i remember being in vc with him .-.

[potent fossil]

ok lmao, whatever

[restive saffron]

anyway whats your thoughts on auto updating paper?

[potent fossil]

auto updating anything is usually not a good idea

[golden gust]

it's like playing russian roulette with your foot

[viral hornet]

Give it a go, but the only rule is you aren't allowed to complain

[golden gust]

yea, sure, you'll probably be fine a few dozen times

think that you're never gonna lose

and then one day, in the middle of the night

camm will show up in your bedroom

wait

[restive saffron]

what

[potent fossil]

@viral hornet 🥺

[worn ember]

Wrong story cat

[restive saffron]

ok so auto updatng not good idea for now

[quick pasture]

Set up your own file server on a private network, download from that before the server starts up, beware of network faults / errors / have a fallback plan & only update your fileserver when you tested it being stable :)

[viral hornet]

@potent fossil 🥺

[viral hornet]

y u gotta expose me like dis

[restive saffron]

optimistic lmfao

uhm. im just gonna grab a backup plugin

[quick pasture]

uh no not what i meant

[restive saffron]

well dont i need backups tho

[quick pasture]

(i mean u should have backups anyway already ...?)

[vernal bone]

👀

[potent fossil]

i rated optimistic bc i know that's not something this person can do; also kekwhypered because im not surprised at all that you have no backups yet

i just lose more and more sanity every day, my braincells are already very low but not quite 0. heading there fast though

[restive saffron]

the server hasnt came out yet tho, so in testing and all backups are done by my hosting provider currently on a weekly basis.

[quick pasture]

@vernal bone u sure you have the correct resource id? for me it do be working:
https://img.shields.io/badge/dynamic/json.svg?color=brightgreen&label=downloads (spigotmc.org)&query=%24.downloads&url=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.spiget.org%2Fv2%2Fresources%2F56489

[vernal bone]

I just edited the one you sent and it's working.

[quick pasture]

kek

[vernal bone]

Thank you! ^_^

[restive saffron]

technically i do have backups, just weekly ones that my hosting provider has of my whole vps

[quick pasture]

should probably have some more backup policies tbh

daily incremental backups + weekly full backups

[restive saffron]

well, they were free and cant beat free

[quick pasture]

weekly backup is hardly useful if your server dies on say, the day before the next weekly backup

[restive saffron]

true i want daily backups or somethign along those lines

now that i have disabled anti xray on paper im sure i can get away with doing backups with serverrestorer

[quick pasture]

[golden gust]

erm

backups are IO bound, not CPU bound

serverrestorer last I recall was also pretty shit

[restive saffron]

hm

well technically yes they're IO bound but they're also usually gonna be making requests for a off site backup storage

hmm

[potent fossil]

[golden gust]

unless you're running on some CPU which is severely underpowered, anti-xray is not really that much of a performance hitch

using plugins for managing backups is scurry...

[restive saffron]

what else should I do then? maybe a pm2 daemon or something with javascript is all I can think of

[golden gust]

I mean, I've always been an rsnapshot fan

[potent fossil]

yes, something running separately from the actual server process

rsnapshot is bae

even better because you let the target server do the gruntwork

[restive saffron]

i do have a $1 50gb storage ftp server, is that gonna be enough for a mc server

[golden gust]

for a small server with a handful of friends and incremental backups, sure

[potent fossil]

you need a normal server (vps/dedi) for rsnapshot but depending on the size i guess 50gb will work

[golden gust]

for anything long term serious, no

ah, yea, think I remember the issue

serverrestorer basically has the potential to cause world corruption

[restive saffron]

yikes

glad i have a full vps

[golden gust]

https://github.com/ZombieStriker/ServerRestorer/issues/5

[potent fossil]

smh

[restive saffron]

alr im updating paper real quick

[wide chasm]

Been a long time since I've seen that name

Didn't know she was still active

[void void]

What is name of this plugin?

[potent fossil]

no idea.

[golden gust]

?warn @void void Do not spam

[leaden oxide]

ošklivé_káčátko#0350 has been warned. || Do not spam

[restive saffron]

Looks cool tho

[full gorge]

Yeah

[untold copper]

interesting

[restive saffron]

wow this minealert plugin doesnt even work kappa

[half flax]

how can i download 1.16.4 paperr

[golden gust]

downloads page, click the more button a few times

[half flax]

why you just do this

you can add filter section for more easy

[golden gust]

Because we don't support those builds and there is no sane reason to use them

[half flax]

if someone wants to open 1.13+ server, he needs to click 50-100 times more button

[golden gust]

if somebody wants to redo the legacy page, they're more than welcome to discuss it with us, but, we have 0 interest pouring time into making it easier to get stuff we don't support

Well, no, only 1.16.x is on the home page

1.13 is on the legacy page

[half flax]

oh

my bad

sorry

[floral tiger]

please don't tell me i have to update to 1.17 and deal with incompatibility issues...

[golden gust]

what?

[floral tiger]

do i have to?

[golden gust]

1.17 ain't even out yet

[potent fossil]

When 1.17 comes, you will need Java 11, yes.

[golden gust]

but, when 1.17 comes, we're updating the minimum java requirement

most stuff supports java 11 just fine

[floral tiger]

ohh okk

so, i should update java?

[golden gust]

Yes

[floral tiger]

and that's it?

yay

[woven otter]

Reading is an important skill

[floral tiger]

yeah, but when you don't have a brain like me, its hard

[quasi valley]

don't you worry, cat can totally understand that given his own experience

[golden gust]

Well, yea, but, mines health related

not, like, erm

[floral tiger]

because 30 other people asked him the same question?

[golden gust]

to be fair

in simples defence, he was dropped

[woven otter]

Well either you take like extra 30 secs to read it or someone gets irritated like for the 100th time that someone can't read something

[worn ember]

can you stop irratating me about people getting irritated because people cant read, thanks.

[floral tiger]

i wasn't irritated

[worn ember]

am i doing "being a millenial" right

[limber knot]

ticks-per in bukkit.yml only affects natural mob spawns right?

yes

thanks

[worn ember]

@woven otter do you want to join my cult

[limber knot]

if i have those disabled in my normal worlds can i just set it to -1?

[hot hamlet]

Is there anything I need to be weary off changing a previously online server into a bungeecord network. Will uids stay the same thus keeping player data

[limber knot]

or a super high number

how do you have it disabled?

[golden gust]

if you follow the installation instructions properly, yes

[potent fossil]

as long as you properly protect the spigot server so that only your bungee can connect to it and your bungee is in online mode, then it will be fine

[limber knot]

i think im using a gamerule, i cant really check since im at school

it wont matter if you are using the gamerule

[worn ember]

wtf who goes to physical school in 2021

[limber knot]

boris

[floral tiger]

me

im forced to

[potent fossil]

my niece is unfortunately going back already, im not too jazzed about it

[floral tiger]

do you know the best part?

[worn ember]

i think we have to go a day a week now

[floral tiger]

my cousin is already into school

[worn ember]

well soon

[floral tiger]

and he has covid now

[limber knot]

dumcord wont let me speak on my alt account until im in for 10 minutes smh

[potent fossil]

my college is going back in fall i believe

[worn ember]

using alts smh

[limber knot]

not allowed phone in school so no 2fa

[potent fossil]

lol

[worn ember]

love those 2002 rules

[potent fossil]

get a yubikey

[limber knot]

usb devices dont work ever since they moved to windows 10

[worn ember]

handpan music is so soothing

[limber knot]

discord supports yubikey?

[potent fossil]

there are yubikeys that operate simply as 2fa otp delivery devices no?

[worn ember]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[potent fossil]

guess not

[floral tiger]

wut

[limber knot]

no idea

[potent fossil]

they probably disabled usb with group policy, my last job did it too

not unheard of

[limber knot]

yeah, it would be insane to allow random usb devices on public PCs lol

[floral tiger]

yknow, i had some similar problems, but not flat not working

[limber knot]

it would also be insane not to put permissions on a public network but ya know

[mossy vessel]

Still waiting for the yubikey bio 👀

tf

[potent fossil]

well yea that does kinda suck tho, i thought yubikey had an otp delivery system that removed need for phone. but, well, good thing im an adult and can have my phone anywhere i please

[limber knot]

they support otp

[potent fossil]

i mean fully in the key's hardware no need to plug in

[limber knot]

just not totp which discord uses

[potent fossil]

i dont see a key w/ a display

ah indeed

i was confusing totp with otp, i meant totp the whole time

[limber knot]

yubikey is hotp

(hardware vs time based one-time password)

[worn ember]

Currently i'm doing some image processing on my pc and sending them over to some LED's on the back of my screen (backlight) but its quite CPU intensive, would it be a better idea to get a HDMI/DP splitter and a microcontroller to do the processing?

[potent fossil]

a hardware based totp system that you can plug into a good pc and sync time and apps to it would be cool. would need to sync regularly to account for time drift probably unless that tech has improved significantly

[floral tiger]

that's cool

[limber knot]

technically you can use totp though with their authenticator app: https://support.yubico.com/hc/en-us/articles/360015669179-Using-YubiKeys-with-Azure-MFA-OATH-TOTP

[worn ember]

it uses like 40%CPU tho lol

[limber knot]

I wonder if you can get a crypto hardware wallet to work as a totp device

[potent fossil]

my last job had a little hardware device with an lcd display that had a 6 digit totp that refreshed every minute

[floral tiger]

with what cpu?

[worn ember]

i7 6600k

[potent fossil]

we needed it to log into the company network from home

[worn ember]

they never heard of VPNS?

[potent fossil]

it was a vpn

you needed a vpn login and your hardware totp device

[worn ember]

sounds like overkill to me lol

[potent fossil]

it was a bank

was about right

[worn ember]

sounds fair to me

[limber knot]

what part of requiring 2fa sounds like overkill to you? lol

[worn ember]

the hardware device

[limber knot]

wat

[potent fossil]

i really liked it

[limber knot]

an airgap is the only actually secure way to do that

[worn ember]

also how does it fetch the codes?

cant that be exploited?

[olive garden]

it's ded we are talking about here, I think he would prefer to calculate the security code in his head

[potent fossil]

totp doesnt need internet, it's a math equation or something

i dont know the specifics

[golden gust]

everything can be exploited

[worn ember]

i'd get it wrong 3x times before i get it right

[golden gust]

it's all about making it as unpractical to exploit as possible

those ssh keys you use

those ssl keys you use

[potent fossil]

this is exactly what we had https://i2.wp.com/ctrlfail.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/2fa.gif?resize=500%2C276&ssl=1

[golden gust]

It's theoretically possible to dupe those

[worn ember]

HAHA IT LOOKS LIKE A KEY

[limber knot]

main issue with totp is that most people use phone apps which's secrets could be stolen

[worn ember]

so good

[golden gust]

it's just the amount of time it takes to actually bust those mechanisms mean that by the time you've done it, you've probably gotta start again anyways

[limber knot]

at least with hardware keys you can hope that they are secure enough that the keys can't be stolen when plugged into a pc

[worn ember]

thats why you predict the next one cat

[potent fossil]

and then, iirc, when i was assigned this the person in charge wrote down its hardware ID into the tracking system and then gave it to me. when i left, she removed the hardware id from the system and then the whole key was invalidated and i can't login to the network even if my user account was still enabled on the vpn

anyway, something like that but with ability to switch between apps and sync apps to it from pc would be cool

[worn ember]

who would steal from a bank anyway, they barely have money

[golden gust]

Well, I mean, there's software solutions for that

[merry talon]

lol, blizzard had an authenticator like that waaay back in the day

[golden gust]

The issue is that hardware solutions are generally severely limited

[merry talon]

they might've been the pioneers

[limber knot]

apparently it works with hardware wallets, nice: https://brogna.medium.com/how-to-use-the-ledger-nano-as-a-key-for-two-factor-authentication-u2f-c4b23391e6e

[potent fossil]

i know, but i mean, im thinking in the situation that you cant use your phone to grab a code, a hardware key would be cool

and whappa look at that

[golden gust]

Like, the moment you start adding on things like being able to work with more apps, the more you rely on software in the middle

Like, you need a usable UI, for example

[potent fossil]

yea, software in the middle is ok, im just talking about syncing it from an internet capable machine once then able to go out w/o internet and still have codes, god knows where you'd use it but im just talking about the fact that it would be cool kek

oh that ledger nano is for crypto, sadge

[limber knot]

yes, it's a hardware wallet

which can run "apps"

[merry talon]

simple you're literally just describing a yubikey

but using totp for some reason

[limber knot]

but apparently the main issue of using it for 2fa via FIDO U2F is that you need to resetup every time you update the firmware :S

[potent fossil]

yes, but a yubikey with its own display and hardware totp support

[golden gust]

accessability

[limber knot]

main issue is that lots of services don't support HOTP

[golden gust]

I can spell

yea

[merry talon]

but why do you want that

unless its just for memes lol

[limber knot]

what a describtive error mail: https://is.paper.sexy/gnU3EKJX.png 👀

[golden gust]

and a lot of cases you don't really wanna be plugging in your security devices into all machines

[potent fossil]

because, for me, the bane of my fucking existence is pulling my phone out, opening authy, finding code, then entering it. it's first world problems to the max but i want a little hardware key i can glance at and be done kek

[golden gust]

Like, say you wanted to login to your email at work or something

[merry talon]

I mean why do you want it to give you codes instead of just plugging it in

or using BT/NFC

[golden gust]

air gap

[potent fossil]

in cases that usb is disabled, i.e. in the office

[limber knot]

how do you plug it into a machine without USB? lol

[merry talon]

oh

hmm

[potent fossil]

and in extreme cases (i wouldnt work in one, so it's not REALLY a problem for me but others yes) where the office disallows personal phone use

[limber knot]

just build your own: https://www.instructables.com/Arduino-TOTP-Generator/ 👀

[potent fossil]

but whatever, it's just what i think would be cool. anyway shit i should probably sleep but also i want to do some react native investigation

[merry talon]

i wasn't aware disallowing USB devices was a common practice

[potent fossil]

speaking of that @vernal moth do you know of anything like react native for vue?

and yea sweepy it is

[merry talon]

yeah, vue native

lol

[golden gust]

even still, there's the questions of do you really wanna have to plug your security device into a computer at the office

[potent fossil]

that's abandoned afaik

[limber knot]

main issue with allowing USB is giving the ability to easily extract data, installing malicious stuff as well as using it as a key logger

[potent fossil]

but yes, it does pop up

[merry talon]

last commit was 8 days ago

[potent fossil]

w h a t

[merry talon]

but i dunno

[potent fossil]

hold up smh is this really about to bazinga me

[floral tiger]

guys!!

i just finished my server!

[potent fossil]

kk

[floral tiger]

now i have to just hire beta testers

[vernal moth]

Never did native stuff, i don't know

[floral tiger]

: D

[potent fossil]

hmm, vue native looks still very WIP but promising. indeed not abandoned tho

will stick with react native for now, more polished

[merry talon]

ever tried flutter?

[potent fossil]

Vue Native transpiles to React Native. React Native is a framework to build native Android and iOS apps using JavaScript.

yeah, i don't really like dart

smh 😫

[merry talon]

so either way you're using react native

[potent fossil]

yep

may as well just use it

[vernal moth]

But using vue ^^

[potent fossil]

yeah but lol :(

[vernal moth]

I remember a coworker talking about nativescript

And that seems to have a vue thing?

https://nativescript.org/vue/

[limber knot]

this looks like what you want simple: https://www.token2.com/shop/product/molto-2-multi-profile-totp-programmable-hardware-token

[merry talon]

8 years of battery life?

[potent fossil]

very cool mini, bookmarked! thanks :D

[merry talon]

oh that's just for the clock

[limber knot]

that's for the key storage it seems, the LCD screen battery is shorter

[merry talon]

nvm

[potent fossil]

hmm yeah, kinda phoenix

[limber knot]

or yeah, the clock lol

[golden gust]

yea, is real time clock battery

[potent fossil]

well, ok, it's possible. now if only it wasn't so fugly

will def check out native script; react native so far is really cool, there is a framework for it called Expo that so far seems quite similar to nuxt which incorporates free (but queued) android and ios builds and automated appstore submissions, and real time OTA app dev deployments to your testing device via a different app that you install called Expo Go

all of that is free, then they have prem which gives priority app builds and support

https://expo.io/

[olive marlin]

Because you can't send multi-line messages on IRC, someone just pasted their (small) YAML file, one line per message

[vernal moth]

Flood protection bans them normally

[olive marlin]

Nope, didn't get banned. And resent a few messages with fixes.

[meager tusk]

veww

react > veww

[olive marlin]

Idriz

[meager tusk]

bloodstone ❤️

[void void]

Is this abandoned?

[golden gust]

it's a complex issue with many complex things to solve

not really a high priority in the scheme of things given all the issues still left remaining with it

[void void]

Oh, i understand. Most of paper forks with "async" ticks works awful

[olive marlin]

They usually corrupt worlds.

[void void]

Why does it happens?

[golden gust]

because people generally tryna throw everything async generally have 0 clue about concurrency

[olive marlin]

Because some people didn't learn safe concurrency. Some are literal kids with some basic Java knowledge.

Not that kid==bad, just lack of experience.

[golden gust]

i disagree

prof is bad

[olive marlin]

I'm not a kid

[quasi valley]

sure, kiddo

[olive marlin]

Though I never said I'm not bad, quite the opposite.

[void void]

How do you think, will mojang implement multithreading in future? Sorry for stupid and popular question btw

[golden gust]

there is much lower bars than multithreading

[olive garden]

they won't, they are outsourcing it

[golden gust]

multithreading is complex and actually slows stuff down generally in the grand scheme of things

[olive marlin]

You need to do work to make sure some things don't run at the same time. And moving context etc isn't free.

[golden gust]

Like, the extra safety in place makes doing X slower, the only recourse is that you can do multiples of X at once, increasing hardware requirements for "extra speed"

[worn ember]

trig said i fully understand multi threading now, we could take a crack at it together cat

[olive garden]

I said what

[golden gust]

fixing the underlying performance issues is basically #1 before throwing threads at horribly performing code

[worn ember]

[olive garden]

bro you don't even understand for loops

[warm anchor]

No bully ded pls. He’s just a Dota player

[worn ember]

^^

[olive marlin]

I know Hadean wants to help there: https://hadean.com/blog/creating-new-minecraft-experiences/
But iirc Cat said it won't be anything to be excited about.

[warm anchor]

Dota player simple brain

[worn ember]

What i lack in iq i make for in low response times

[olive garden]

inb4 different dimensions on different threads

[golden gust]

it's not for java and mojang generally said we shouldn't care about it

[worn ember]

i did snatch a fly out of the air with my hand the other day, be proud

[void void]

Why 1.13+ works worse than 1.12?

[golden gust]

for stuff like PvP servers, stuff like that is irrelevant

[vernal moth]

That hadean thing is strange

[golden gust]

Because mojang made implementation choices which slowed the game down

[vernal moth]

Doubt it will have anything to do with the java server

[golden gust]

1.13 made collision logic more complex

Which, slowed anything dealing with collisions down a fraction

[olive garden]

why would it? bedrock exists for a reason

[golden gust]

and, when there is so much in the server each tick which relies on collisions, that small fraction multiplies

I mean, it's regional based sharding

for large MMOs, sure, it makes a lot of sense

but, for anything which people wanna deal with stuff like large numbers of players in a small area, it's useless

[warm anchor]

Most MMO don’t do collision though lol player just pass through each other afaik

[olive garden]

I think you missed the point

[golden gust]

most large MMOs generally have players split out so that sharding is easy to decide

as soon as you get people in a small area interacting, the ability to shard is severely impacted

[worn ember]

we need better MMO's

the good ones we have are like 10 years old

[golden gust]

Like, for pvp servers, hadean is literally 100% useless

[worn ember]

Also where the heck are my RTS games

[void void]

Aether is only minecraft bedrock thing?

[olive marlin]

But survival? Since people are really spread out.

[worn ember]

minecraft pvp tho

so competitive

[golden gust]

survival = mmo

[worn ember]

mmo would imply massive multiplayer, but if you have 20 players its already dying

[peak ginkgo]

how big is "massive"

[worn ember]

couple hundred at least

noice

[spare venture]

MMOs are dead, too expensive and too repetitive. The new MMOs are games like destiny, battle royales, mobas, Minecraft, etc

[formal turret]

Hate thst destiny is considered an mmo lol

It's so instanced that you hardly ever see anyone

[civic prism]

Anyone recommend a good backpack plugin?

[spare venture]

Yes that’s the replacement for the genre

Aren’t shulkers backpacks

[untold copper]

anyone know a place where I can get good logos for modpacks and such?

like some website?

[spare venture]

[formal turret]

Fiver maybe

[untold copper]

ooh yeah

[spare venture]

Fiver or mcm

[untold copper]

ohk

[spare venture]

Won’t be free

[civic prism]

I was thinking a plugin where you don't have to put down the shulker etc. to do that stuff. A replacement if you will.

[mossy vessel]

If you are looking for icons, you can grab a digital license at iconscout e.g

[untold copper]

yeah I figured

[spare venture]

There are plugins that let you open it by right clicking air

[civic prism]

oo nice, I'll look for that

[worn ember]

when you want to be useful but cant even get the thing running xD

sad lyfe

[civic prism]

big rip

[worn ember]

i'll just play dota instead

[rocky flame]

I need some help with calculating some probability but me and my friend keep disagreeing any massive brains around? Okay so, we got a boss. the boss drops 3 rare items all at a 1/1000 drop rate, getting 1 item doesn't stop you from getting another item. If you kill the boss yourself the chances of all of them is doubled. So I was thinking initially since theres 3 items it is 1/333 to get 1 item and then since my chance is doubled of getting 1 since I'm killing it myself it is now 2/333, why am I wrong, I literally did this sort of maths like 5 years ago help

[olive garden]

"to get 1 item"
Exactly one item OR one or more items?

[golden gust]

you have 3 shots at getting something

it's like a 1000 ticket raffle

if you have 3 tickets in that raffle, you have more odds of winning

[rocky flame]

getting 1 item doesn't stop you from getting another item. But yea to get 1

[olive garden]

to get exactly 1?

[rocky flame]

Yes

and Yea right? so 3/1000

[golden gust]

No, before 3 shots

Well, yea

3/1000, or, 1/333

if you wanted to keep the 1/1000 chance, you'd need to basically increase the chances of getting each individual item to keep the same chance of getting a single item

[rocky flame]

Yeah If i wanted the chance to get 1 to remain 1/1000 I'd just make all of them 1/3000, I'm being sent this as to why I'm wrong

[olive garden]

if it could only drop 1 item:
chance of getting 1 item: 1/1000
chance of getting 0 items: (1-1000)/1000

you want it to drop 1 item once and 0 items twice

the order doesn't matter

so that leaves you with ((1000-1) / 1000)^2 * (1 / 1000)^1 * 3!

.wa ((1000-1) / 1000)^2 * (1 / 1000)^1 * 3!

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) Exact result: 2994003/500000000 - Decimal form: 0.005988006 - https://is.gd/0dE4RV

[olive garden]

but my maths is rusty, so idk

[golden gust]

I mean, in that thing, you got a 40/1600 chance of winning something, basically

1600 / 40 = 40, so, you got a 1/40 chance of winning at least something

[limber knot]

No, you've got a 10/1600 chance plus a 10/1599 chance plus a 10/1598 chance etc

[golden gust]

oh, yea, shut up amar

[olive garden]

please ping me if my maths was wrong

[golden gust]

walks out with his tail between his legs

[olive garden]

I don't want to fail statistics so please do let me know

[limber knot]

That's why he ends up with a 22% chance of winning something

[rocky flame]

Yea now you're all speaking spanish

🤣 okay so

[rocky flame]

Wait can you go back to my original point Amar

[limber knot]

If you have multiple drawings on the same ticket and the same ticket can't win multiple times then you're really running a bunch of drawings where the number of tickets goes down each time

[worn ember]

probability is fun

[limber knot]

First prize, you pull a ticket out then throw it away so now for the second prize there is one less competing for the prize

Wait his chances go up if one ticket can win multiple prizes? Now I must be doing something wrong

[rocky flame]

😳 no no no forget the ticket

[olive garden]

I think my calculation was incorrect

I think it needs to be 3C1 instead of 3!

[rocky flame]

Okay Let's start over

[olive garden]

issue is, both make sense to me :/

[rocky flame]

So. 1 boss can drop 3 different items, the chance of getting 1 item does not effect the chance of getting another item. The chance of getting an item is 1/1000. If I kill the boss myself the chances of getting any items is doubled.

So lets say I kill a boss by myself and deal all the damage. What's the chance I get 1 item

[olive garden]

oh I also forgot the *2

[rocky flame]

Kk 2/333 it is then

[olive garden]

haha

he knows the correct way to get an answer is to provide an incorrect one

I still believe you want to know the chances of getting at least 1 item, but here's the formula for getting exactly 1 item:

.wa (n choose x) * (2/1000)^x * (1-2/1000)^(n-x) where n=3 and x=1

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) Result: 747003/125000000 - https://is.gd/aeVKEI

[olive garden]

practically, 2/333 is good enough, but incorrect

[rocky flame]

What if it was atleast 1 item?

[olive garden]

then you calculate the chance of getting exactly 0 items and subtracting the result from 1

[olive marlin]

So 999/1000 you don't get first item, 999/1000 you don't get second item and 999/1000 you don't get third.

Multiply them together - you get the probability of getting 0 items.

[olive garden]

that's correct in this case because you calculate the same thing three times

[minor badge]

@olive marlin

[olive garden]

but leaving out the combinatorical function or whatever it's called it a mistake if you ask me

[olive marlin]

.wa 1-(999/1000)^3

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) Exact result: 2997001/1000000000 - Decimal form: 0.002997001 - https://is.gd/KTsIPH

[olive marlin]

I think that looks good?

[spare venture]

[olive marlin]

Wait, no.

[rocky flame]

Oh my god

[olive marlin]

@minor badge

[spare venture]

Dealing with probability always sucks

[rocky flame]

ahahahaha right? Why is it this confusing it's literally 16 year old student maths

[olive garden]

you forgot out the 2x multiplier @olive marlin

[spare venture]

Because it’s not intuitive and they do not teach it very well

[olive garden]

we are from many different countries and we are having issues

I don't think it's fair to blame the teachers

[spare venture]

No one teaches it well apparently

[olive garden]

.wa 1-(3 choose 0)*(1-2/1000)^3

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) Exact result: 748501/125000000 - Decimal form: 0.005988008 - https://is.gd/O9jknb

[spare venture]

And it’s only taught once in the US whereas every other math is used rigorously throughout high school and college

[rocky flame]

So. 1 boss can drop 3 different items, the chance of getting 1 item does not effect the chance of getting another item. The chance of getting an item is 1/1000. If I kill the boss myself the chances of getting any items is doubled.
So lets say I kill a boss by myself and deal all the damage. What's the chance I get 1 item. Why is it not as simple as hey 3/1000 then doubled so 6/1000 why why why

[spare venture]

Because they are three separate rolls of 1/1000

Which is going to be different than having a 3/1000 single roll

[rocky flame]

Okay yea understood

[spare venture]

Because every time you roll you get a new number, which is different than only rolling one number but being more likely to hit that number

[golden gust]

What you have is (1/1000)*3

[olive marlin]

No cat.

Smh

[spare venture]

Now I have to continue to explain to my players that Java.util.random.nextInt is producing random enough data that they can’t predict stuff on my server

[golden gust]

wait, no, am dum

[spare venture]

“I’ll do some research and find a pattern... you’ll see”

[golden gust]

goes back to smoking

[olive marlin]

Won't deny that.

[golden gust]

what are you a prof of?

[rocky flame]

redstone

[minor badge]

i mean, it is pseudo random, so it's technically possible...

[golden gust]

that would imply he was good

[olive marlin]

I used to be good at redstone. But then work and studies and got better and coding...

[spare venture]

Yes but the data set is so small it’s probably not possible

[olive marlin]

And if many things use the same random number generator, it makes it harder.

[spare venture]

They’re trying to predict the landing of meteors in a square of 10000 x 10000, and they land every 3-6 hours

[olive marlin]

Unless you reset it with constant seed like vanilla...

[spare venture]

So the data set is pretty small

Well as long as you’re creating a new random object that generates a new seed right?

[olive marlin]

Can always add second Java.util.random.nextInt and combine them for double the randomness!

In vanilla you can trigger it to set the seed to the same value.

I think Paper patched that, but not sure.

Maybe not.

[spare venture]

In vanilla what

I’m using a plugin?

Oh you mean the generator seed

[olive marlin]

Yes.

[spare venture]

Yeah, no, that’s not an issue at all

[olive marlin]

I was saying if you have such way, then it can be exploited :P

[spare venture]

And anyway the meteors are pasted in with worldedit at random coords using Java.util.Random.nextInt

So the seed wouldn’t matter

I thought you meant the seed for the random object

[olive marlin]

If you could reset the seed, then they would spawn at the same place over and over.

[spare venture]

Why would they?

[olive marlin]

Because if you seed it with same value and get next int, you'll always get the same int.

[spare venture]

But I’m getting the next int from a difference random object, which has a different seed?

And it generates a new random object every call of that method, so it’s pretty random

[olive marlin]

Depends on how it gets seeded. But I mentioned it as an example for what Vanilla does, not something you have.

[spare venture]

Ah I thought you meant that I was using the same seed as the vanilla seed for random

[woven otter]

will you join me mincraft serbur

[worn ember]

can i haf admin?

[olive garden]

drek you still haven't finished the roof on the house

it's been like 2 years now or idk

[limber knot]

oof, steam seems to be blocking the download of older game versions now ;_;

[olive marlin]

Pro tip: add emoji to your name and you always know if you get message from bot xD

[olive garden]

lmao

[woven otter]

yes and now the server is gone because of you

[olive garden]

because of me?

[woven otter]

because of drek

[olive garden]

then don't ping me

[woven otter]

@olive garden sorry

[limber knot]

ok apparently only downloading via the console is broken. meh

[worn ember]

Wtf why me

[spare venture]

when are we all starting a Minecraft server together

[woven otter]

because you didn't finish the roof

[worn ember]

Wait which server are we talking

The old one with jaboc

Or the not so old one with mods

Cuz i didn't finish the roof on either lmao

[wide chasm]

I'm guessing the old one

Next time we'll just build the roof first without you

[void void]

hi

[spiral robin]

hi

[void void]

how r u

[spiral robin]

quite swell, and you?

[void void]

im gr8

but not so gr8

[spiral robin]

thats deep

[void void]

i need some help for my server

the problem is not really about papermc itself

[spiral robin]

hmm

ok

😄

[vernal moth]

Just ask

[spiral robin]

mini

[vernal moth]

Ape

[spiral robin]

pardon

[void void]

when i try to run the run.bat it says "'java' is not recognized as an internal command
or external, an executable program or a batch file.
Press any key to continue ..."
any help?

[meager tusk]

@spiral robin Hi !

[zealous wedge]

install java

[void void]

i have it installed

[zealous wedge]

maybe fix your PATH

[spiral robin]

@meager tusk

[void void]

PATH?

[wraith trail]

.java11 - see the section about your PATH here

[zealous wedge]

environment variable

[limber knot]

Follow the guides for how to update to Java 11 here: https://gist.github.com/Proximyst/67615353e2575a71faaff3f7ae9cc2b4

[olive marlin]

Sulu left #paper-help? 😱

[spiral robin]

they have to regenerate some braincells i think

[zealous wedge]

imagine willingly going into #paper-help

[ashen cliff]

Never.

[meager tusk]

BRO!

[ashen cliff]

BRO!

I know @vale rune is always in #paper-help.

[meager tusk]

He's a helpful guy bro.

[ashen cliff]

Never seen him actually do anything helpful tho.

That's why I have #support muted in the only other Discord we share.

[spiral robin]

bro ?

[ashen cliff]

Bro.

[vale rune]

Bro.

Fact!

[meager tusk]

He's calling you unhelpful bro.

[void void]

bro

[ashen cliff]

He knows bro.

[void void]

bro your pfp is cool bro

[vale rune]

Brother.

[vernal moth]

Sister

[vale rune]

Imagine not always being in #support, #paper-help and koha.net .

[ashen cliff]

Robot.

[vale rune]

TEBRA!

[ashen cliff]

Koha always open bro!

[vernal moth]

Guys and gals, gimme netflix suggestions for movies

[spiral robin]

superbad

the dictator

[vale rune]

[ashen cliff]

Can't even type ë bro!

[meager tusk]

[vernal moth]

Know both

[meager tusk]

Koha has 100% uptime bro!

[ashen cliff]

Can't have downtime if you only have uptime.

[meager tusk]

Bro.

Can't have downtime if you only have downtime either.

[vale rune]

Slovenes that lost everything with OVH:

"Why worry about something that's not going to happen?"

[ashen cliff]

Can't be me.

🥚

[vale rune]

Fact!

[olive marlin]

Ah, it's this time of day in PaperMC general.

[vernal moth]

Yeah thought that too just a few minutes ago 😂

[vale rune]

It's always that time of day in #general.

[vernal moth]

When your parents forgot to take away your laptop, yeah

[meager tusk]

Bro. That's wrong.

He forgot to turn off my monitor. I don't know how to turn it on again.

[ashen cliff]

Have you tried turning it off and on again?

[meager tusk]

No. Good tip bro.

[ashen cliff]

No problem bro.

[vale rune]

Call IPKO support bro .

@ashen cliff bro, imagine not having your number saved as IPKO Kujdesi per klient.

[meager tusk]

What, so they refuse to give me key details?

😠

[ashen cliff]

Bro!

You didn't say you know Kin osebno bro!

[meager tusk]

"I don't do that, sorry. You'll have to call X."
"I don't do that, sorry. You'll have to call Y."
Back and forth.

[worn ember]

@meager tusk I don't do that, sorry. You'll have to call Z.

[magic river]

I think I need to give watching basketball another chance. It's been 10 years since I wrote it off as boring but I've changed since then and the game has apparently dramatically changed

Curry is considered by many to be the greatest shooter in NBA history. He is credited with revolutionizing the game of basketball by inspiring basketball teams, from high school to the NBA, to regularly utilize the three-point shot. Analysts have referred to him as "the Michael Jordan of the three-point era," stating that he did for the three-point shot what Jordan did for the dunk.

Jordan was entertaining but what he turned the game in to wasn't

I watched some college ball the other day and it was more interesting than I remember, perhaps this is why

[worn ember]

Well that was random, but thanks for the review about basketball

[magic river]

It's a social channel, how does any topic get started? 😛

[worn ember]

dat do be true

[magic river]

If no one wants to talk about basketball I guess it's just my replacement for a twitter post otherwise maybe I'll hear from some fans about changes they've seen or not over the past decade

Curry got the game to take 3 point shots seriously so apparently they focus more on passing and spread out around the court now instead of all jamming under the net trying to get the tall guy a layup

Doesn't matter how tall you are, unless you're right on top of the shooter if they're going for 3 it's going over your hands

Means short guys who move fast and pass well can be stars and the game moves faster

[ashen cliff]

Just say Bro randomly. Half of Balkan will show up.

[magic river]

Eh, either I caught some of the worst teams in the one game I saw or European basketball is like high school basketball

So their opinion isn't really useful 😛

[spare venture]

sports channel

college bball is kinda boring compared to the NBA because of the shot clock and halves instead of quarters

[left swift]

Basketball is just boring

Fixed it for u

[worn ember]

i also dont find any appeal to it

[left swift]

Ur a nerd tho

[spare venture]

you’re also a nerd

I like sports

[left swift]

[spare venture]

The only sports I find boring to watch on TV are baseball and soccer

But every sport is fun to go to live games

[worn ember]

yeah tbh i only really like e-sports lol

[magic river]

I love watching baseball

[left swift]

Esports are sports

[spare venture]

I just can’t do it on TV

[magic river]

I can't do it in the stands, you can barely tell what is going on