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#general
void void
...
golden gust
Basically, no, we do not support it in any capacity
left swift
Plugin
golden gust
There are plugins to shim support in, expect issues, however
void void
Oh
wraith trail
it's a java server, not for bedrock
left swift
Hi cat
visual egret
go to awesome minecraft on github
void void
DM me the link please
void void
Oh
golden gust
otherwise, go find software which specifically supports bedrock
void void
Ok thanks
fickle kelp
Hey if i want to make a top 10 richest people (vault) holograph on my server at spawn how would i do that? (Im using Holographic Displays plugin)
brittle dust
super dumb questions but how do I turn pvp on
golden gust
however you turned it off, do the opposite of that
visual egret
server.properties
zealous wedge
#paper-help tho
visual egret
if on vanilla
ashen cliff
Commit boosting 101.
visual egret
Meow.
left swift
mossy vessel
Is that cheap brittish kfc?
golden gust
3 Aug 2020
Completed at 9:35 PM, 9 items delivered
cunning raft
golden gust
and, basically, sorta like it
void void
Does anyone have any experience with minecraft servers?
zealous wedge
nope,
golden gust
.dontask
limber knotBOT
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none of us do
golden gust
What even is minecraft?
minor badge
absolutely zero
zealous wedge
nobody knows about minecraft here!
void void
damn
I knew I should of went to that among us server
they obviously know a thing or too
cunning raft
please ping "spottedleaf" with your help requests
foggy elbow
Hello,
Using graalvm, I need to add somethings into the startup flags ? (I saw some people adding 2 arguments to the flags while using graalvm)
cunning raft
don't use graalvm
cunning raft
you're also not even using paper so
foggy elbow
I did some tests with chunky and it was wayyy better, but what's the issue with it ?
golden gust
otherwise you'll need to find the flag which was use to work around that bug
foggy elbow
you're also not even using paper so
I'm using paper 1.12
foggy elbow
Still not getting 1.16 server currently, it's under setup
upper flicker
there were some flags, one of them had to disable some runtime compiler feature thing
cunning raft
graal doesn't offer any perf differences over hotspot either
upper flicker
might be able to find it in search
cunning raft
pretty sure it's largely just feature set
(a shit ton of js stuff)
because if it had performance improvements they'd just be added to hotspot too lmfao
minor badge
native-image is pretty fucking nice though 
foggy elbow
graal doesn't offer any perf differences over hotspot either
I tried on chunk generation, I got x1.5 better chunk per second generation using graalvm
golden gust
graal does have some optimizations that hotspot doesn't have afaik
it's part of the whole "from the bottom polygot JVM aspects"
Just, it's still new
wide chasm
Apparently I was accidentally using Nullable in two classes from javax.annotations for 2/3 years. Now WorldEdit updates to 7.2.3 and I get a compilation error, because the library they used (or some other library used) that contained that was excluded lol
foggy elbow
600 chunks per second with hotspot, and 800 chunks per second with graalvm
foggy elbow
but I don't know in which cases it goes worse :/
cunning raft
how are you generating 600cps in the first place
wtf
is the norm on paper like 40 MAYBE 50
foggy elbow
I tried a fork that can uses more cores to do that.
But I can test with default paper
I'm using ryzen 9 5950x
foggy elbow
to do some tests yes, but my real server is on 1.12, and my devs for 1.16 work on paper
vernal moth
because if it had performance improvements they'd just be added to hotspot too l...
That's not true. Graal basically is a fully new JIT and stuff, that's not really possible on hotspot. But, normal jre/jdk already has features from graal ported, the whole AOT stuff is graals
Isn't the ultimate goal of java to remove all c/c++? And make java just require java all the way down? Smth like that
cunning raft
thought that was very long term
vernal moth
Yeah sure, but ton of that is already there
I lost all interest in graal when oracle started to do stupid licences and added an "enterprise" edition, paywalling performance optimizations
next frost
Graal already allows you to run Java inside a JVM written in Java
vernal moth
Now i only use graal features in hotspot, truffle and stuff, for graals js
golden gust
nothing stopping you implementing a JVM in hotspot
just, all the optimization stuff they throw into graal makes it a much interesting topic
on the other side, they do a lot of dumb stuff
e.g. one of their optimizations broke the diff tool we use or something
vernal moth
Basically, since they write the jit in java, and it's not 20 years old, ppl actually understand it now and can write optimizations much easier. Also, removal of all legacy stuff obviously helps too
next frost
I doubt it will really replace hotspot fully
upper flicker
certainly wont if oracle keeps messing with licensing and enterprise versions with paywalled features
zealous wedge
lol that's Oracle's thing tho
vernal moth
I'll wait for opengraal 😂
zealous wedge
all Oracle knows is mess around with licensing and enterprise
peak ginkgo
shitopia
kekw
upper flicker
all the more reason to avoid it
upper flicker
oracle might be one of the few companies that can say they have the same reputation in both open source and enterprise software
"stay the fuck away"
vernal moth
We still didn't manage to purge all oracle jre from our servers
cunning raft
reminder than Oracle also bought TikTok's american operations alongside walmart
i think that says all you need to know about them
zealous wedge
tiktok Enterprise wen
vernal moth
Altho oracle does have a few cool ppl and I think the openjdk project works great
I wonder if oracle actually makes money with selling java SE
zealous wedge
I assume anything good they inherited from Sun
wide chasm
Probably
wide chasm
Companies will buy anything with a licence on it
zealous wedge
companies love support contracts
upper flicker
the engineers are cool, the abstract shady claws in everything company tho
I have heard of several larger corps getting support contracts for java se yes
vernal moth
Inb4 all govs buy java SE
wide chasm
I wouldn't be surprised tbh
cunning raft
fallen oracle
That's insane.
olive marlin
I didn't see anyone here say it's not horrible.
runs
visual egret
i fixed naming hopefully
vernal moth
Can't wait for the drone footage
mental meadow
I have tears in my eyes watching that
dim shadow
o lol rip
vernal moth
mental meadow
the camera quality tho
dim shadow
they must only have 56k wifi on mars
tropic flame
compile with errors
vernal moth
Surprise, wind sounds just like on earth 😂
mental meadow
I don't even want to know how long it takes to transfer those video files, iirc they are recorded at 4k?
dim shadow
bruh it sounded just like plain earth wind
vernal moth
Well, 2 days aurora ^^
dim shadow
not impressed mars
mental meadow
bruh it sounded just like plain earth wind
yes but ON MARS
dim shadow
did they not know ther was wind there before? :I
upper flicker
humans making robot drop ships for other planets while we try and write chat clearing plugins
mental meadow
Imagine running a minecraft server on perseverance
vernal moth
I think the drone is Linux now or smth
ashen cliff
Imagine running a minecraft server on perseverance
I know I would.
mental meadow
let me quickly ssh into the mars rover
vernal moth
"quickly"
visual egret
22 minutes later: aw fuck i got the password wrong
vernal moth
While netflix would work on mars, an ssh connection or anything realtime wouldn't
visual egret
but that wouldnt happen because ssh keys
ashen cliff
So. What's the new connection speed?
vernal moth
It's not new
mental meadow
sorry, we lost perseverance due to a kernel panic
spare venture
What would the ping be
dim shadow
do they use kbps or lightbytes
vernal moth
22 minutes
spare venture
That’s a long time
ashen cliff
They said that they replaced the antenna or something.
vestal jasper
Oooo new antenna
void void
smh someone should put fiber from earth to mars
vernal moth
Bottleneck is the orbiter tho iirc
visual egret
would still be 22 min ping if there was fiber right
vestal jasper
Let's just make a giant elevator from earth to Mars
vernal moth
Funnly that wouldn't improve the ping piston master ^^
dim shadow
not even gundam did that shit
vernal moth
Unless you invent a way to let something travel faster than light, the ping can't be improved
void void
Funnly that wouldn't improve the ping piston master ^^
ok but that way we could get humans faster to mars 
vestal jasper
Btw it takes light 3.03 minutes to go from Mars to earth.
spare venture
ashen cliff
Google Stadia Negative ping.
void void
exactly
void void
Btw it takes light 3.03 minutes to go from Mars to earth.
why not send data over light then? 
Just make a giant flashlight
and blend the entirety of america
vestal jasper
I mean even a ping of 3 minutes is oof
Let's just wormhole to Mars. Teleport there.
vernal moth
Btw it takes light 3.03 minutes to go from Mars to earth.
No, 3:11 iirc, on the shorted approach we know of
3:03 is the theoretically shortest approach
dim shadow
Let's just wormhole to Mars. Teleport there.
multiverse-portals irl
vernal moth
Well, that says what I said ^^
vestal jasper
Ye
dim shadow
so if i point a laser pointer at mars it'll take 3.03 minut for my cat to go to space?
vestal jasper
Yes
dim shadow
cheap space delivery drone 🙀
is that in earth minutes mars minutes or space minutes tho
olive marlin
so if i point a laser pointer at mars it'll take 3.03 minut for my cat to go to ...
It'll take over 6 minutes - 3 minutes till it hits the surface, another 3 till you see it bounce back.
dim shadow
ohhhh ok that makes sense
vernal moth
But again, currently mars is 11 light minutes away, not 3
And it will not go down to 3 for another year
spare venture
Mars will just be a cool research place or mining
vernal moth
December 2022 and Jan 2025 are the next close approaches
dim shadow
Mars will just be a cool research place or mining
id invest in land for my people
spare venture
Who are you going to buy that land from
golden gust
I mean, hopes are eventually that we have people living on mars
spare venture
And what would you do with it
upper flicker
I wish we could send cat to mars
golden gust
Sounds like an interesting idea, get away from earth
dim shadow
idk LOL whoever ends up managing real estate up there xD
golden gust
I'd happily go once the infra's there 😄
spare venture
Even if we fuck earth with global warming it’s still sooooooooooo much better than Mars will be for 1000 years even if we started full on terraforming now, right?
dim shadow
i just wanna buy it so my clones or their children can have a bounty of land some day when they can go live there
cuz land here expensive af
wide chasm
No, you need to go when the infra is not there, otherwise you'd still connect to here via IRC or smth
dim shadow
we could send like prisoners to mars, kinda like forced evolution
adapt to the environment to create viable martian human... or perish
vernal moth
They are prisoners, not slaves, lol
vernal moth
No sane country kills prisoners
dim shadow
ye but theres insane countrys ;-; and they r first in line going to space so
vernal moth
I don't think a country will be first to mars for humans
mental meadow
if we go to mars and still haven't abolished countries something is seriously wrong
dim shadow
nah ik its international now xD but like it was th us that started it
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golden gust
ERm, We... erm.. did that once...
dim shadow
then again they wouldnt have w/o the soviets trynna do it too
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its worth pointing out he says as a Brit because we shouldn't incorrectly interpret it as him being human
ashen cliff
8Mbps and beyond.
spare venture
They are prisoners, not slaves, lol
In USA there is no real distinction between the two
ashen cliff
There is. Prisoners get paid like 2$/hour.
mental meadow
so basically slavery
spare venture
Yeah, true
waxen panther
british people yuck
spare venture
The laws can probably vary tho
mental meadow
except brocc brocc is epic
waxen panther
thank you 😔
spare venture
Some states prisoners aren’t paid anything
mental meadow
they never really abolished it
plus the systems where prisoners are not allowed to vote
vernal moth
Iirc america distinguishes between citizens and prisoners
void void
hm what are java profilers useful for?
golden gust
for... erm.. profiling?
void void
i mean in what do they give insights in
golden gust
it lets you see what code is doing, essentially
if you're actually profiling, shows you how much methods are called, how long they take, etc
ofc, there are overheads in that, so, people often use sampling which is much less accurate but not as heavy
void void
ah basically what aikar timings do?
golden gust
Yes
void void
why do people still use external profilers then?
wraith trail
well yes but in a much deeper way
upper flicker
the timings platform is there to be friendly to end users
cunning raft
timings only give you so much detail
mental meadow
basically is the key word
upper flicker
an external profiler will give you much deeper, more technical information
void void
an external profiler will give you much deeper, more technical information
oh ok
will see if i test one out then
is there some industry standard or is it up to the dev?
void void
hm whats the difference?
mental meadow
YourKit is epic
mental meadow
whats the differenze between Z's eyes
upper flicker
its very much the same question, you have to get into specifics for it to mean anything
cunning raft
whats the differenze between Z's eyes
upper flicker
ow
@zealous wedge ❤️
void void
lemme ask it differently then "What has the most useful features?"
zealous wedge
@mental meadow 
upper flicker
visualvm is free but will work fine for a lot of stuff as well
void void
ok thanks
limber knotBOT
However It is written in java and as such tends to dislike java apps that are in fullscreen
limber knotBOT
I also have no idea why that is the case, but It is there
ashen cliff
JProfiler is epic, since it works on any Java version,
YourKit is epic, because it can open huge memory dumps.
mental meadow
YourKit is epic because they give OSS licenses to so many cool projects like paper
mossy vessel
The new UI is p hot
wide chasm
I've had slightly better luck with YourKit than VisualVM personally, but that was more about integration with IntelliJ than the features they offer. Java Flight Recorder looks interesting, but the profile I wanted to use didn't work in IntelliJ on Windows, so haven't given that a proper shot yet.
upper flicker
I dont recall having any issues with visualvm and fullscreen apps, but its been some time now
it "worked", it wasnt super polished or fancy but as a baseline or an introduction I recall it being fine
have to pry yourkit from my cold dead hands though
wide chasm
My issue was that VisualVM wanted to start profiling before the code actually started running. So VisualVM couldn't find the process and gave up and then the code actually started to run. YourKit actually waited properly for my code to start running.
And the profile that was available for JFR was only for continued use, so it sampled infrequently; good if you're sampling for long times, kinda bad if you do a one-shot run and barely get any data.
mental meadow
I love that you can just connect to a running process on a remote server via ssh with YourKit
limber knotBOT
Isn't that the case with any other profiler?
mental meadow
I only used yourkit so far 😄
golden gust
as z said, visualvm is k and fine for like the majority of devs
but, YK just adds such nice things
inland fiber
Helloooo guys, i’m struggling here to find devs to work with. spigot didn't get any response yet. Any tips if there’s sites or discord that i can use to add request apps?
void void
i guess helpchat has a dev apply thing
its in #community-guilds
i saw server owners look out for devs there
void void
tought it was epilepsy for a second
golden gust
?warn @void void This is not the place to advertise
leaden oxideBOT
Valkray#8141 has been warned. || This is not the place to advertise
keen aspen
what is a good plugin for special particle effects?
i wanna add them to my npcs in our hub
void void
GadgetsMenu has something there I think
inland fiber
i guess helpchat has a dev apply thing
ty i will give that a try
golden gust
PMSL
worn ember
yeah... i need a better name for my rtp plugin, 3rd time someone reviews it and says feature x doesnt work and then when they ask for supports its not even my plugin
minecraft community really be big brain
woven otter
DarkRTP
worn ember
wtf does this even mean
visual egret
all i want is adventure, minimessage and cloud why is it making filesize so big cries
vernal moth
Jokes on you i decompiled a 1gb jar at work today
visual egret
1gb?
safe plover
why am i drunk again
fallen oracle
How large was ChatColor2?
vernal moth
Yes
visual egret
console is die
waxen panther
Are you on latest? I thought jroys patch added rgb console
vernal moth
It clearly is rgb
But the first time i heard it broke
How do you send join messages?
To console
visual egret
im 8 versions behind on tunity
fallen oracle
I've seen it a few times. I originally thought it started happening because of jroy's patch but I've seen regular messages doing it too.
visual egret
not ideal
fallen oracle
So, I'm not entirely sure what caused it and if it's fixed or not.
vernal moth
I think it's some dum plugins doing dum stuff
And that jroys patch surfaced that
Well, if you can show the code and we can repro and potentially do smth that might be helpful
golden gust
Tuinity doesn't even have jroys patch
visual egret
oh L
golden gust
Please use paper if you're gonna be like, hinting for support here
vernal moth
Oh interesting
golden gust
if you post a bug in here...
visual egret
ok yeah fair
zealous wedge
whee vanishing messages
mossy vessel
irc never forgets 
cunning raft
I think it's some dum plugins doing dum stuff
yeah questionable shit
purpur also broke due to gradle tooling 
but with sane server setups it doesn't break anything
vernal moth
The guy I saw the screenshot from before was definitely not sane
I told him to open a report but didn't
Sooooooo
This is cool
visual egret
wat 
visual egret
Its interesting but doesent ios like do that without the requirements
upper flicker
iOS doesnt have an alarm requirement no
It probably uses that information but its not a hard requirement
whether its hardcoded to limit itself to certain times I couldnt say
visual egret
okay so paper is still weird but idk if this is working as intended
golden gust
are you using a custom log4j config?
cunning raft
that's not the question
golden gust
Not what I asked...
upper flicker
if you dont know, its unlikely, bar some sort of panel
visual egret
im just using cmd.exe
cunning raft
but it looks like no colors are parsing at all which makes me think ansi is disabled
but it should be stripping it in that case
so something is fucking with your log4j config
upbeat falconBOT
OskarZyg#9256
fading saffron
Hello I have a question I am running a paper server on my network i have dns but how can I setup a proxy so people cant wee The ip behind The dns
visual egret
mossy vessel
relocation? Am I joke to you??
cunning raft
yeah relocate ur shit ffs
hmmm
colors are not showing in my console too
granted they are stripped in EssX
waxen panther
wave
cunning raft
so something with adventure broke my patch
wraith trail
So tcpshield would act as a proxy between you and your users. You do require a domain for their services iirc. You can read more about it here: https://docs.tcpshield.com/
visual egret
good thing nobody saw that class where I tried using cloud but failed
fading saffron
> So tcpshield would act as a proxy between you and your users. You do require a...
So if i use that people cant find my ip
golden gust
if you don't firewall, they can still find your IP
there are services which literally index every server in the world
fading saffron
How can i firewall it the best
golden gust
if you're using TCPShield, only allow traffic from their IPs
you'd need to see their docs/ask them to see if you can do that
visual egret
TCPShield has a plugin that does that automatically
fading saffron
Oh
visual egret
It’s on the dashboard
cunning raft
is plugin even a low enough level to do that correctly
visual egret
Idk
mental meadow
?ban @reef hawk Scam/Spam/attitude
leaden oxideBOT
Turbo#1934 was banned | Scam/Spam/attitude
cosmic raft
mfw "MiniMessages"
visual egret
No
peak ginkgo
spam scam
visual egret
Now kash sees my shit code
cosmic raft
I mean the name :P
visual egret
larry
golden gust
You don't encroach on the name of another thing
swift root
So add an S and you're done with the name wtf
golden gust
especially within the same community
swift root
Just makes stuff confusing
visual egret
what was i supposed to call it tho
waxen panther
You asked that like spigot-related projects normally have good names
upper flicker
PureMessage
swift root
Lentil
upper flicker
seems to work for some others
waxen panther
lmao
im moving away from that now
my new naming scheme is "<insert one word of thing that it does>"
cunning raft
new plugin called sucks?
waxen panther
sure
upper flicker
JroyMad
waxen panther
🎈
cunning raft
wow insulting 🎈
upper flicker
spawns a zombie that follows you around
mossy vessel
larry dumdum, Jroy rude, Z z and broc 
; everything like always
golden gust
eat poop
waxen panther
broc
meager tusk
hi
mossy vessel
viral hornet
larry dumdum, Jroy rude, Z z and broc <:broccolai:768080670948851742>; everythin...
you ok buddy?
golden gust
mfw
upper flicker
wtf
waxen panther
the year is 2030, auscraft is finally using the bot 😠
mossy vessel
you ok buddy?
Yus?
potent fossil
is it possible with LuckPerms API to remove nodes en masse via regex? I.e. something like user.data().remove(Node.builder("some.perm.with.wildcard.*")) thus any child perm with that beginning pattern would be removed?
twin lagoon
@mossy vessel 
golden gust
Without searching for matching perms? Probably not
mossy vessel
golden gust
You're just removing a node
mossy vessel
You know why ;(
waxen panther
is it possible with LuckPerms API to remove nodes en masse via regex? I.e. somet...
You can use clear
Which has a function parameter that gives you node
waxen panther
Of course 
I coincidentally was trying too trying to do something with lp today and was very confused for a few hours
potent fossil
chrome fulcrum
what the hell is this intellij https://i.imgur.com/kxOrVaL.png
cunning raft
should only happen in reader mode
chrome fulcrum
I don't read decompiled stuff often, just had me going wth
ancient bolt
font ligatures - just turn them off
you can enable them for editting mode too if you wanted to, many people do
I personally don't but yeah
foggy silo
Is there an API method that gets a random location that an entity can pathfind to? Similar to the "RandomPositionGenerator" NMS class.
golden gust
no
foggy silo
Oh, I apologize this is the wrong channel lol. Thank you for the response however.
pearl ibex
Did Mojang accepted the Aikar's chunk size glitch on vanilla?
cunning raft
jmp has another fix coming for adventure not sending color to console
but i fixed your issue
golden gust
you mean the chunk state thing?
They adopted their own mechanism that was similar to papers
pearl ibex
Oversized chunk thing.
Went MIA for a while. :P
Good thing I still remember how to get Paper. xD
As far as I can remember, Paper solved the issue and it sends a notification when it occurs.
golden gust
Yea, vanilla doesn't have those messages, and when I pulled out the save stuff for papers version didn't bother re-adding it
had been fixed for some time and people trip that accidently too, so pretty meh for a blanket "you got players duping"
had people trip that bug in like 1.8 days without knowing it, some books would just poof
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pearl ibex
Hi.
ancient bolt
I have my computer again, finally
unpacked in my new place
desk set up
god it's been weeks
I've missed it so much
upper flicker
grats demon, welcome back
magic river
Wow they put photoshop in OpenGL https://www.khronos.org/registry/OpenGL/extensions/KHR/KHR_blend_equation_advanced.txt
And it's a required part of OpenGL ES 3.2
void void
is there a 1.16.1 version of paper?
magic river
...why would you even want that?
void void
cause thats what my server is running
golden gust
yes, on the downloads page, hit the more button. But, really, don't use unsupported software, update
(keep hitting it or use the downloads API)
void void
k
modest path
peak ginkgo
@runic drum @warm anchor hahahha
runic drum
Lol
warm anchor
runic drum
That feeling when a guy using 1.8 still gets support while the other one with 1.16.5 running a couple builds behind don't
golden gust
who?
runic drum
Don't take it that literally
I was just surprised that a guy with 5 years old software got some assistance
golden gust
Yea, I erm...
I might just boot people in the future asking for 1.8 support, it's getting toit
spare venture
🥺
magic river
hmm, so Samsung 5nm = TSMC 7nm = Intel 10nm
Although Samsung's and Intel's aren't quite as good as TSMC's as far as density
Also TSMC already has it's own 5nm that is better than all of that
ancient bolt
I like this video on the subject https://youtu.be/1kQUXpZpLXI
magic river
None of them are actually 7nm or 10nm for the smallest feature they can represent, the names are just marketing
As seen by the fact that Samsung had a 7nm then tweaked it a little and called it 6nm then tweaked it some more than called it 5nm then even more and called it 4nm
That's like Intel's 14nm+++
solemn path
soooo is there any way to break bedrock?
untold copper
bruh
golden gust
.bedrock
limber knotBOT
Having problems with TNT Duping, Bedrock Breaking or Sand Duping Vanilla Exploits? See: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/3854 for information.
solemn path
thanks
wet quarry
good morning everyone
waxen panther
good morning
forest verge
vernal moth
Busy kash good kash
fading saffron
Is there something better then tcpshield because i see videos where you can easily bypass it
vernal moth
You can only bypass it if you configure it wrong
Something better would be CloudFlare spectrum but you can't pay for that
cosmic raft
<:kekw:674093681963302933>
fix
ashen cliff
A true Aikar level commit.
fading saffron
You can only bypass it if you configure it wrong
it worked if i put it in a dns ip lookup i get my ip
i mean i dont get my ip xd
merry talon
well what are they doing in the videos then
wide pond
23.02 03:28:56 [Server] WARN Can't keep up! Is the server overloaded? Running 5950ms or 119 ticks behind
is this... bad?
my server is always like 100 ticks behind on startup
vernal moth
it worked if i put it in a dns ip lookup i get my ip
I never played with it so far but that sounds like you configured it wrong ^^
Isn't your dns supposed to point to their servers?
fading saffron
No sorry i mean it works when i put my domain in a ip check thing it give the ip from tcpshield so i mean it works
merry talon
so what's the issue then
fading saffron
nothing i said it wrong
one last question i have play.mydomain.com and mydomain.com for the serverpanel site can i also proxy that
merry talon
yes, but also do not expose your control panel to the public
cloudflare access would work well for that
visual egret
may be merged by the time you see this
Yup, great!
fading saffron
no
or i can set the panel to something like panel.mydomain.com instead of mydomain.com
fading saffron
thats already better then te main domain
fading saffron
still don't have it publicly accessable
no for sure not
i have a pterodactyl. panel
visual egret
<@!250881407759548416> fixed shit in latest pr
pog
worn ember
POGGGGGGGGGGGGG
visual egret
hi snoopa im making my first public plugin
visual egret
essentially
customise messages using minimessage
and right now it has a horrible name: MiniMessages
untold copper
which messages?
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$player$ cring
quasi valley
cring
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just use minimessage placeholders smh
visual egret
wat thats a thinh
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yeees
visual egret
im dumb
quasi valley
yeees
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MiniMessage.get().parse("...", "key", "value of String or Template")
can also provide a map
and moonshine makes it even more pog 😳
untold copper
o.O interesting
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untold copper
I mean there are just 2 vanilla messages right
what other vanilla messages are there to customize
olive marlin
Not necessarily have to be only vanilla messages either.
untold copper
Unknown command?
visual egret
that seems possible
untold meadow
add papi support it's so easy
knotty nebula
Does anyone here use multicraft? I need some help, not sure how to set up startup flags and adding a script doesn't change a thing
visual egret
0MHz ram
merry talon
Does anyone here use multicraft? I need some help, not sure how to set up startu...
Why are you using multicraft?
waxen panther
0MHz ram <:thonk:463842968097521675>
yes
it's placeholder ram with no actual memory, just the rgb
olive marlin
People buy that if they don't want to have empty slots in mobo, but don't want to pay for regular ram.
viral hornet
@quasi valley
knotty nebula
Why are you using multicraft?
I'm just a dev for a server that uses it, no point in using it at all to be fair. Figured out they use their own system with jar.conf files
quasi valley
<@!259465250716254210>
no
olive marlin
does ram speed even matter for me
What's your use case?
olive marlin
Ryzen or Intel?
visual egret
intel
olive marlin
Probably won't notice that much difference tbh.
knotty nebula
it would matter a lot more with a ryzen
vernal moth
Apparently there's another hidden message in the parashutes of the rover
Not just the JPL morse code
vernal moth
JPL in particular
mental meadow
I love that so much
olive marlin
I still don't get that jpl morse code. Why those specific parts are chosen? There's nothing indicating them or anything. Can randomly get other things from there.
Meaning the previous picture, not this one.
void void
its any paid engine for server? but not forks of spigot
vernal moth
What's wrong with paper? It's free, open source and good ;)
void void
nothin' I'm just curious
vernal moth
Most paid forks are horrible and only made to scam out out of money
visual egret
sponge is like bukkit but not bukkit, right?
vernal moth
All major improvements to the server are open source in paper or forks of paper
vernal moth
sponge is like bukkit but not bukkit, right?
Sponge is a different api but yes, fundamentally both Bukkit and sponge provide an api to write plugins for minecraft servers. Just that sponge is more open to mods, one of the implementations of sponge is a forge mod
Bukkit doesn't work with mods
worn ember
Bukkit doesn't work with mods
are you sure about that
visual egret
ded, stop getting ideas
vernal moth
Yes, Bukkit is fundamentally incompatible with mods (rn)
worn ember
many have tried tho
woven otter
(rn)
topaz mortar
Hopefully getting rid of all the enums and the more and more coming registries will allow it in future. Specifically without shooting yourself in the feet.
merry talon
are there any decently large sponge servers?
worn ember
barely any vanilla servers tho
void void
Why would sponge servers be vanilla
worn ember
cuz there is sponge vanilla too lol
vernal moth
Sponge vanilla is like craftbukkit
Twitter
Re: the launch platforms they building on old oil rigs
agile hornet
hi
cedar spade
I too enjoy creating the world by catching cod
dim shadow
papermc spotted on the internet
visual egret
paper!11
twin lagoon
dim shadow
wtf is telegram LOL idek how i ended up there
visual egret
impusibl!!!11!!
twin lagoon
a chat app
limber knotBOT
it's the only actually usable messenger app, unfortunately it's not fully encrypted :S
dim shadow
lol i just use the default app from google
limber knotBOT
(the angle of the logos is different though)
limber knotBOT
Telegram was made by the founders of the russian facebook (VK) after they were basically thrown out their own company by putin xD
ashen cliff
It's also amazing for anyone using Cisco. 
limber knotBOT
and they basically just want to stick it to oppressive regimes
it's one of the few apps that work in countries like Turkey or Iran which actively block other messengers 👀
vernal moth
And they work hard for that
limber knotBOT
but tbh I wish people would just use Element.io/Matrix
vernal moth
Last time russia tried to block telegram, they blocked like the entirety of aws
That was fun when suddenly nothing worked in russia
limber knotBOT
I still wish they would just end to end encrypt everything
vernal moth
That's not easy UX wise for group chats
Also UX wise for using app and web
Since telegram web is an actual client, not WhatsApp dum mirror thing that doesn't really work
limber knotBOT
works just fine with Matrix
vernal moth
How does matrix handle multiple clients decrypting messages at different times, when some clients are offline?
limber knotBOT
they have some fancy key signing mechanism I think, I can't really explain it but they go over that on their homepage
vernal moth
Ah
left swift
Fancy schmancy
fading saffron
what is this
WARNING: An illegal reflective access operation has occurred
WARNING: Illegal reflective access by net.tcpshield.tcpshield.ReflectionUtils (file:/home/container/plugins/TCPShield-2.4.jar) to field java.lang.reflect.Field.modifiers
WARNING: Please consider reporting this to the maintainers of net.tcpshield.tcpshield.ReflectionUtils
WARNING: Use --illegal-access=warn to enable warnings of further illegal reflective access operations
WARNING: All illegal access operations will be denied in a future release
[14:22:02 INFO]: [Vault] No new version available
untold meadow
it tells you what it is
it is a warning that an illegal reflective access operation has occurred
specifically by the class net.tcpshield.tcpshield.ReflectionUtils
limber knotBOT
contact the plugin author and ask for a fix
twin lagoon
can be ignored
next frost
but will break on java 16 by default afaik
limber knotBOT
no it can't Michael, it has to be fixed lol
void void
no it can't Michael, it has to be fixed lol
no it cant
limber knotBOT
if nobody is bothering authors about this then they just wont
void void
literally cant
limber knotBOT
of course, lol
twin lagoon
that's the author ^
limber knotBOT
just because someone doesn't want to invest time/money into something it doesn't mean that it can't be fixed
twin lagoon
when are they removing illegal reflective access
limber knotBOT
the correct statement would be "no I wont"
twin lagoon
er, denying
void void
i would if I knew how
limber knotBOT
which means that it's a shitty way of managing one's project
void void
essentially, removing the final modifier is kind of whack
void void
yeah, that essentially breaks the purpose of the plugin
limber knotBOT
wat
void void
FYI, the plugin is for modifying the player's IP to their real ones
limber knotBOT
reflections should never be used in any serious code
fading saffron
but is it urgent or
twin lagoon
no finnie
limber knotBOT
if such a change breaks your code then you should really rethink what you are doing
fading saffron
ok
limber knotBOT
they day they remove reflections from java will be the one of the best days
(or at least lock it behind a flag lol)
void void
basically enabling people without the ability to run sth like go-mmproxy to get the real IP of the player
i'd love to do it differently but atm there's no other way
twin lagoon
i mean the plugin is opensource, https://github.com/TCPShield/RealIP
feel free to take a look at it yourself
limber knotBOT
you realise that the server already has that built in? bungee is doing it just fine
untold meadow
you could just make an api for getting the ip and make plugins use that
twin lagoon
"make plugins use that"
limber knotBOT
(or well, technically spigot's bungee support)
twin lagoon
lol
void void
you could just make an api for getting the ip and make plugins use that
that would break so much
limber knotBOT
yes, Kezz, that would be the correct solution
twin lagoon
the correct but not viable solution
limber knotBOT
if the API doesn't offer a solution then write and PR such an API
twin lagoon
still not viable
limber knotBOT
it is
twin lagoon
no
limber knotBOT
that's what open source is all about, lmao
again, just because you don't want to it doesn't mean it's impossible
twin lagoon
we don't live in a world where everyone is running up to date software
there's still servers running 1.8 that fund tcpshield
limber knotBOT
fuck them
twin lagoon
that's not an option
limber knotBOT
of course
void void
not from a business standpoint
limber knotBOT
it's an option you don't want but it's an option
twin lagoon
just because it's the right thing to do doesn't mean it's viable
it's not viable from a business standpoint at all in this case
limber knotBOT
also noboyd running 1.8 is going to run java 16 anyways? lmao
limber knotBOT
so it's more viable to lock in your customers on outdated/insecure java versions?
wtf
fuck tcpshield then lmao
twin lagoon
the majority barely runs java 11
void void
so it's more viable to lock in your customers on outdated/insecure java versions...
it's not like we outright refuse to lol
twin lagoon
i mean if you can think of a solution that works for both java 8, 11 & 17, PR it lmao
limber knotBOT
paulzhng: you just did
twin lagoon
and none that require API changes in server software
limber knotBOT
why?
untold meadow
"ignoring these solutions, think of a solution"
void void
paulzhng: you just did
I didn't. I quote myself: "i'd love to do it differently but atm there's no other way"
limber knotBOT
there is
void void
adding to this: if anyone has an idea, i'd love to implement it
twin lagoon
no because that would be enforcing users to use the latest minecraft version
which sadly, isn't viable
limber knotBOT
and if your devs aren't able to write different code for different versions then wtf are they even doing?
void void
which sadly, isn't viable
^ that would actually be an option and sth we actually explored
we've used paper's native handshake event for a while until there were some problems regarding security and stuff
twin lagoon
you'd still be relying on "legacy" methods though for older versions
twin lagoon
which will just bring you back to the current illegal reflective access problem
lmao
limber knotBOT
and if you open source and license all your stuff under an actual open license like (A)GPL then I might be willing to work on a solution :P
but I'm not supporting proprietary crap
void void
the plugin itself is MIT
void void
how is MIT less than (A)GPL
limber knotBOT
it allows me to just use the code in any proprietary product
it doesn't support open source
olive marlin
But you can use new API in New versions of paper which will run new Java and continue to use old way on old version of paper, which will run old Java because server itself doesn't support new.
ashen cliff
Why not just let legacy users use the old version since they won't be running Java 15+ anyway and make a proper solution for people using latest versions?
void void
that's probably something we have to do
limber knotBOT
that was all I'm saying btw :P
olive marlin
I knew what you were saying Phoenix, but you did so in not so clear way :P
limber knotBOT
I never claimed that I was good with foreign words ¯_(ツ)_/¯
untold meadow
even just abstract around it with fallback methods to the old code
olive garden
Doesn't an --add-opens flag (which is not going to be removed AFAIK) actually solve this issue? By using that flag, won't the plugin continue to function even with new Java versions?
limber knotBOT
or to be more excact: https://i.phoenix616.dev/nZDDortt.jpg xD
void void
Doesn't an --add-opens flag (which is not going to be removed AFAIK) actually so...
that's not an option for people who don't have the possibility to control their JVM flags
it's all about compatibility and shit
void void
shared hosting
olive garden
wonderful
limber knotBOT
you shouldn't force people to disable security options anyways
void void
if there wouldn't be shared hosting, we wouldn't be bothering with a plugin anyways
olive garden
"security"
you are running code you downloaded online from unverified authors
what does security even mean?
dim shadow
^
limber knotBOT
reflecting into shit that authors didn't want you have access to opens security holes
limber knotBOT
imagine if android apps could just reflect into the system auth key store
dim shadow
black hat* plugin devs
twin lagoon
no one cares about 2b2t
olive garden
imagine if android apps could just reflect into the system auth key store
this is kind of a different scenario though...
limber knotBOT
not really
extracting database paswords etc would be possible with reflections
(if people would care to actually protect them)
it's insane how easy you can extract such data in the bukkit ecosystem
dim shadow
yall on some high end hacker shit rn whats a reflection
olive garden
at that point protect the filesystem on a per-plugin basis
don't you let that random plugin read files it isn't supposed to!
limber knotBOT
can't wait for md to fully enforce the class access based on dependencies
left swift
The thing you see in a mirror
olive garden
you should be able to download any plugin, even malicious ones, and still be secure!
limber knotBOT
yes, that's planed too Trig
left swift
"High end hacker shit" kek
limber knotBOT
limit plugins to the plugin folder
dim shadow
The thing you see in a mirror
-_- in the context of high end h@xx0r talk i meant
limber knotBOT
*their datafolder I mean
left swift
That isnt hacker talk
olive garden
well, good change, if you all have that much freetime
dim shadow
limit plugins to the plugin folder
no fuck that lol i need to access essentials userfiles
void void
next up
olive garden
imo not the most important
limber knotBOT
waterdrink gorl: no you don't, you use the Essential API
olive garden
whatever, I should actually start working instead of shitposting here
void void
you're only able to run signed jars which requires a developer account
olive marlin
you're only able to run signed jars which requires a developer account
And need to be approved by Hangar team.
limber knotBOT
actually a good idea, paulzhng. that way you can verify that nothing modified your other jars and that they run signed code only
olive marlin
Can only run jars from hangar store.
dim shadow
reading balance from essentials userfile #1 way to get user balance afaik
limber knotBOT
wat
dim shadow
(if u use essx/vault)
limber knotBOT
WAT
untold meadow
vault is crying rn
olive marlin
actually a good idea, paulzhng. that way you can verify that nothing modified yo...
Would protect against the self-replicating malware.
dim shadow
well when i tried it kept making new "ghost" players with random UUIDs and getting their (empty) balance instead
every time i tried and the player wasnt online ._.
limber knotBOT
uhm
void void
i wonder how the geyser folks will handle java 16
limber knotBOT
try using a real economy plugin which actually supports such a case
I hope by PRing the necessary API
dim shadow
i run my own economy software but it runs on top of essx & vault lol
untold meadow
but vault supports offline players im confused lol
dim shadow
but vault supports offline players im confused lol
i probs set something up wrong then LOL
untold meadow
especially something as simple as a single double variable lmao
dim shadow
why would you ever want anything to run on top of Essentials?
essx #1 plugin in the world, all other plugins r run by little girls, essx #1 exporter of potassium
olive garden
> double as balance